1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: And That's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you Really miss podcast. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 3: It's a tardy take. 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: Day takes t take. We should have a jingle. Let's 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: workshop it. 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Well, let's workshop it. I'm getting over being sick, So 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: I sound like not a sexy radio voice like Phoebe Buffe. 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: I think it's sexy gnarly. No, it's just disgusting, so annoying. 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: If it's not you, it's me. 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: You know, no, I know, We're just we don't even 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: see each other. We keep it, passing it back and forth. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: That's how committed we are to our friendship. Other people 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: aren't doing it like us. If you aren't giving sickness 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: to one another through zoom. 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: What are you even doing? 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: Are you even? Really? Best? 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Even besties are harder. Everyone try harder. Okay, today's an indiant. 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about something that we've been We've 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: we've always talked about and it's obviously a part of 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: who we are. Kevin today, I was thinking about growing 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: up in the industry. 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: We both grew up in industries alike, yet on different paths. 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: Yep. 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: But from a very young age and ended up in 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: some somewhat of the same place for some of that time. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: So I would just love to like kind of talk 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: about what it was like to grow up in the 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: industry and also like thinking about I've started working with 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: kids or was working with kids for a period of 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: time between my two my two kids, and what it's 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: like growing up in the industry today, yes, versus what it. 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: Was like for us. 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a big difference. 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Like when we were growing up in the industry, you 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: were getting scouted in malls. 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, scouted in malls or like for me it was 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: a bit of nepotism because my sister was an agent, 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: or like I took singing lessons and then a lot 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: of the kids do the singing lessons at agents. 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: Was your sister already an agent by the time you started, Yes, Okay, 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: go back. So I just would love to hear like 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: more specifically what age you started and how you got 45 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: into the business. 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: So it started for me in fourth grade, I believe nine. Yeah, 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: so my sister was in a like an adult agent, 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: not like porn, but like adults. 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: She's also like a lot older than you, so yeah, yeah, 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: she wasn't like a tiny agent. 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it was ten maybe Damn I was young, Wow, yeah, 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: and there was She said there was an audition for 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: their making a sequel to Little Rascals, and I was like, 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: I was obsessed with little me? Who is that? Use? 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: It would have been perfect for a Little Rascal, thank 56 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: you very much. 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: And they were recasting everyone and I was gonna audition 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: for Alfalfa and I convinced her it has never been 59 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: a thought that I would want to be an actor 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: because I was so deathly shy. But I was just 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: performing around the house all the time, and so she 62 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: I somehow convinced her to like, let me audition and 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: then I had to memorize three pages, which seemed like 64 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: so much. And we worked for like a week and 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: I went into her office. They put me on tape 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: and I did it. The movie never got made, but 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: her agency was like, Shannon, are you cool if we 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: signed him to the kids division? And she was like, 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: I guess, And so then I started there. So then 70 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: I started like going on auditions and there's lots of 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: commercials there. I was also I also started to take 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: singing lessons. I think around twelve years old and dance 73 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: classes and. 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Did you like it? 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: Did you want to do this? Like was this part 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: of like your like. 77 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm going to go to Hollywood, 78 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on TV or was this like 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: fun for you or was this not fun for you 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: and like more of an influence by the your surroundings right. 81 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: Like stage parent stage sister type situation. Totally, No, they 82 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: were not stage parents or stage siblings. 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't do those vibes. 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: No, it was sort of reluctant. I mean, they very 85 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: much believe in me and thought I was talented and 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: like pushing for it. Once I said I wanted to 87 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: do it, then Shannon was like, okay, yeah, then we're 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: going to do it. 89 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: Yeah that's great. 90 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, But it was like singing lessons were really hard 91 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: for me because I was really uncomfortable for me to 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: get in front of people, and I so shy or 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: dance I was really really shy. So like going on 94 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: auditions I didn't necessarily mind because it was like in 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: a closed. 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Room, you know, it's so interesting and your parents must 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: have been like, oh, it's pulling him out of his shell. 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: I guess. But here the other weird thing is which 99 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to. Actually I partly do 100 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 2: know the answer to this. But all my siblings are acting. 101 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: So my brother Timmy was in like a big I 102 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: think he was in like a big Chevy commercial. They 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: all like commercials. But what he was so stubborn they 104 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: stopped taking him on auditions because he refused to audition. 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: Got it. 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: My brother Chris, I think, also did it and it was. 107 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: Just commercials is so funny. 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: And then Shannon, the reason it happened is because my 109 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: oldest sister, Like we said, he's sixteen years older than me. 110 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: She's the one who wanted to do it. She moved 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: to La to pursue it. But it turns out she 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: was really bad at it and had terrible nerves. And 113 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: I think she never got a call back in her 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: life or like one or something like that. Wow, But 115 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: she hasn't, but she loves it. But so she has 116 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: an eye for it. Now she's a manager. 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: Wow. 118 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: Now she's my co manager. But like, hmmm, so it 119 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: started through her and I started doing auditions and all 120 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: that stuff, doing commercials. 121 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: In Texas, Okay, and then you started working and like, 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: at what point were you like Oh, I'm gonna start 123 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: do actually doing this, Like did you book a job, 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: like what was your what was your in. 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: I booked a few commercials in Dallas, and I really 126 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: enjoyed it. And I think as I got a little older, 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: with the singing all that I was starting to come 128 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: out of my shell. And my sister, all my siblings 129 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: are so much older than me that once my brother, 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: who's closest an age to me, graduated likef to college, 131 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: my sister was like, you should take him out to LA. 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: So my parents, my mom started taking me out for 133 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: pilot season. They pulled me out of school and I 134 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: would go to pilot season. 135 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: When there was a pilot season, which for people who 136 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: don't know. 137 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: So, pilot season was a specific time of the year 138 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: January and February where every network with their new pilots, 139 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 2: so first episodes of TV shows that they would hope 140 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: would go to series and they would make them. But 141 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: they would make all these pilots and they would cast 142 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: them all at the same time and shoot them all 143 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: in March and April. And if you listen to this podcast, 144 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: you've heard us talk about upfronts. When gleaning too upfronts 145 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: because you make all these things, and then they go 146 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: before the network the studio, and then then they decide 147 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: if they actually want to produce these pilots into a 148 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: full season yep. And then when they decided to pick 149 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: them up, they present them at the upfronts as their 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: new lineup of shows for the fall. And so pilot 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: season from all around the world, not on the country. 152 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Everybody would head to La January and February and it 153 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: was packed and it was. 154 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: And there were so many auditions and everybody's in to 155 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: get a TV show sometimes to day. Yeah, I mean 156 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: I remember one pilot season. I think I had nineteen 157 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: auditions in that month. In those two months. It's like 158 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely psycho and riveting at the same time, but. 159 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: Also just psychotics. Oh yeah, like it was, but that's gone. 160 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's actually sort of this year randomly, 161 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: there's sort of like a mini pilot season happening. Yeah. 162 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's more being made, for sure, we're reverting back. 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: There's less. There's less still though, so there's more competition 164 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: and it's just more crowded. 165 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 2: But yes, so I would come out here for a 166 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, oh to La for a couple of weeks, 167 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: and then you I would also sort of come back 168 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: in the summer for a couple of weeks, and then 169 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: at some point we just decided because like my dad 170 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: lost his job in Dallas, and when I was fifteen, 171 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: We're like, okay, let's just do it. We preferred La 172 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: to Dallas anyway, and like it made it easy because 173 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: when you go for something like pilot season, there's a 174 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: lot of pressure. Like I felt like I hated that 175 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: my parents were spending money on me. Like you go there, 176 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: you rent a car, you got to deliver. 177 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: You got to get a job, like everybody's there for you. 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: And I never booked anything. I booked like a commercial 179 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: the first summer I went out there, and so I 180 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: was just yeah, I didn't so to me, like moving 181 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: out there was like, oh, we actually just want to 182 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: be here. This entertainment stuff may not happen, oh I see, 183 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: And so like took the pressure off a little bit totally. 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: It was like I just want to live Vanilla anyway. 185 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 186 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: And then I got in the boy band M. 187 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: And music was your way in and music ended up 188 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: being like the big thing. 189 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: Did you want to do music? Yes, so music was 190 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the one thing you wanted to do anyway. 191 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: Music was the one I mean, yes, music was the thing. 192 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: Like my I guess my aspirations weren't necessarily like, oh 193 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: I want to be Leonardo DiCaprio, it was I want 194 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: to be Michael Jackson. Like it was always music based. 195 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to be JC and and sync. Yeah, you know, 196 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: like that's how I could see myself doing this. Yeah, 197 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily through. 198 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 3: Act, got it. 199 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: I was in a band. 200 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: You were in a band. 201 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: I was in a group when I was a kid. 202 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't it didn't really go anywhere. Wait, I've done 203 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: it all, but I how old were you? I wasn't 204 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: signed by anybody. I must have been twelve thirteen called 205 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: Take five? 206 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: Wasn't there a Take five boy band? 207 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably we didn't do any of our 208 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: due diligence. It was just kind of this hope and 209 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: a dream and we were already all working, so like 210 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: it didn't you know what I mean. It was just 211 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: something we were like, oh, this could be fun. 212 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: Can we talk about you for a second, because obviously, 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: like you ended up on Broadway at like eight or 214 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: nine years old. 215 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, nutshell, so I don't take up too much time. 216 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: I started when I was three because my parents, I 217 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: would be like the kid who would go up to 218 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: other tables and restaurants and like say hi. And now 219 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: in retrospect, like I understand that, like my kids are 220 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: not like that, and so I understand like when you 221 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: have a kid who is like really friendly and very charming, 222 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, like you should do this. And 223 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: I think that was happening a lot on Long Island 224 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: because we were so close to the city. 225 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: So I started getting into I got an agent or 226 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 4: a manager. 227 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: On Long Island. I can't remember which one. First, I 228 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: think it was a manager, and. 229 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: I started I booked my first job. It was a 230 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 4: play school ad. 231 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: And it was like the dress me up Ernie, I 232 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: have it the photo, of course. And then I booked 233 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: my first commercial. It was Toys r US commercial. I'm 234 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: like waving at the end in my ballery in address, 235 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: and like, I just kept booking things like really fat, 236 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: like national commercials, like really gassed. So by the time 237 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: I was like ten nine or ten. By the time 238 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: I started auditioning for like real theater, I had had 239 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: an agent. I had done about five hundred print jobs, 240 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: one hundred national commercials, and like one hundred commercials. Yeah, 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: and like I. 242 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: Was a kid who would go on auditions and I 243 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: would hear parents, oh, you know, like the stage parents 244 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 2: all talking to each other. 245 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, so. 246 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: And so has done like two hundred and fifty. I 247 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: did like six, and I thought that it was amazing. 248 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: It's crazy, and I just. 249 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: Was like I was working. 250 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: I was a commercial kid, right like I it was 251 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: really crazy. But then I started like I was like, 252 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: these are fine. It's kind of annoying to drive into 253 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the city and miss out on birthday parties and after selectivities. 254 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: But like I would get taken out of school early 255 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: most days for auditions. Legally, they can't do it until 256 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: after like auditions can't happen until after school, but I 257 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: lived so far away that we had to so and 258 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: then I started taking lessons and going into like like 259 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: real theater at my school. 260 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: I was given roles and responsibilities. 261 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: And I really loved it. So I went on an 262 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: audition for The King and I on Broadway when I 263 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: was nine, and there was like five hundred kids. They 264 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: were whittling us down doing the you know, like okay, 265 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: well these numbers stay, will these numbers say, well, these 266 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: five numbers come and sing together. We had to do 267 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: like it was a couple of days process, and then 268 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: we came back into commercial callbacks and then more. 269 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: Callbacks, et cetera, et cetera. 270 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: And then at some point I remember being like did 271 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I get it? Like did I get it? Because it 272 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: was just such a long process kind of likely, but 273 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: I got it. 274 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: That's quite as a child, though, to like be in 275 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: those rooms were like whittling it down. 276 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did a lot of those, Like 277 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz, they did it, MSG Care Christmas, Carol, Annie, 278 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Like those open calls were like so crazy and yet 279 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: like very common for us, and like very common they 280 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: started to do. 281 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: I'm like that just reminded me. The first and maybe 282 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: open call I ever went on was for Barney. They 283 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: were recasting Barney. 284 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, And how many kids showed up for 285 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: that auditions and hundreds of kids. 286 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: And you know, I know. 287 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: And then I booked a TV movie during the King 288 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: and I for I think it was Hallmark or one 289 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: of those channels, and I couldn't leave my contract for 290 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: the King, and I and my parents got were like, oh, man, like, 291 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: is she going to be missing out on this kind 292 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: of stuff on these TV things? So we left The 293 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: King and I I left Broadway. 294 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: It was about a year. 295 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: I had been in the show for about a year, 296 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit longer at that point. But we 297 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: laughed and I didn't book anything for a while. But 298 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: I kept doing commercials, kept doing it all and then 299 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: I did like TV. I did Sesame Street, which was 300 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: really like, you know, goals, and and I did like 301 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of here, this, this and that throughout 302 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: my whole career basically, so I got like a taste, 303 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: but I never did obviously the LA thing, like we 304 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: were on separate coast. You were doing the LA World 305 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and I was doing like the theater commercial kid World. 306 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: I booked a couple of like. 307 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: One pilot that ended up when I was like in 308 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: college that ended up not going, or it went and 309 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: my character didn't get picked up because I looked too young, 310 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: and I was devastated. And had I gotten that role, 311 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: or had I stayed on that show for the six 312 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: year contract, I wouldn't have been able to do Glee. 313 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: Did the show last that long? 314 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: No? 315 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: It didn't. 316 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: It came out it was it was a Disney show. 317 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: Oh I remember this any playhouse. Yeah, and it didn't. 318 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: It lasted maybe a season or two. I think I 319 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: could be wrong, but it still would have conflicted. 320 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be able to audition Bergley at all. 321 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: So crazy, it's crazy how close to those things. 322 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean that's the thing, right, Like for 323 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: actors aspiring actors out there, it's pretty crazy when you're like, oh, 324 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: I always now as a four year old woman, and 325 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm so excited to see why I 326 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: didn't this thing didn't work out, right, Like, I'm excited 327 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: to see, like why it didn't happen, because something else 328 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: is going to happen, right, Yeah, whatever it is. But 329 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: growing up as a kid in the industry, did you 330 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: feel like in New York and in the theater scene, 331 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: in particular, the competition the stage parents, It was fierce, 332 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: Like the stage parents were so. 333 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: Rampant and serious. 334 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: And that's learned for a kid, right, Like the competition 335 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: is learned for a kid. You don't just know how 336 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: to like. 337 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: Cut a kid. 338 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 339 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious, like what you saw in the music 340 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: industry and in that world in your world. 341 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: I definitely saw that. My mom, who was the one 342 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: who's almost always taking me on auditions, was very much 343 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: not that. Yeah, almost to the point where like she'd 344 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: wait in the car and I'd go in. 345 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: She let you do that. 346 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes, you were older too, but that's yeah. 347 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: She was just like she hated the stage parents. I 348 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: hated the stage parents. I thought it was so embarrassing. 349 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: I had enough nerves going on anyway of just trying 350 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: to get through the audition. Yeah, yeah, I was like 351 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: these parents talking loudly and like, what are you so stupid? 352 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: Like I always it was all so silly. Yeah, yeah, 353 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: I want to do this because I like doing it. 354 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: But like all that stuff was a real big turn off. 355 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: And I think once we moved here it became even 356 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: more casual for my parents, which was nice, Like it 357 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: really took the pressure off. And by that point I 358 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: was in the boy band and we were doing most 359 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: of the music stuff, and so for that it was 360 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: like I would go to high school during the day 361 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: and then go do music stuff at nine time. 362 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: Were you also auditioning during that time? Were you just 363 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: like all doing it? 364 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I did, like the office aid true blood 365 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: during that. 366 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: Right, did you not Were the stakes lower since you 367 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 4: were already in the boy band and you were kind 368 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: of auditioning outside and going to school, were the stakes 369 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: lower for you? 370 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: Or were you like, I need to get this job, 371 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Like did it matter to you? Did it not matter 372 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: to you? 373 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: It mattered to me in terms of like, of course 374 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to book. I just wanted to book a job, 375 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: like I remember for the Office. It was just like, Oh, 376 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: this would just be so incredible to do. This is 377 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: such an amazing show. It's so big, and like to 378 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: get to work with all these people would just be amazing. 379 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily so much like we moved out here, 380 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: I need to provide, Like there was none of that. 381 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was nice. 382 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: It was just like I wanted it for me because 383 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: I just wanted it. And the music stuff was really 384 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: fun because I also felt like I felt like Batman 385 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: or like at school I would be going like still 386 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: kind of shy, awkward, whatever, and then I would be 387 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: in the recording studio with like Ryan Tedder at night 388 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: crazy yeah, and like before Ryan Tedder was super famous 389 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: and like that went on for like my entire high 390 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 2: school life, and I'd come back the next day and 391 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: show like my best friend Cleo was song and she 392 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: was like, that's not you. I guess it is. So 393 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: I was just actually before we got on here, I 394 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: was just going down this rabbit hole of songs. So 395 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: James Fauntleroy, this is so random that. Okay, Harvey Mason, 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: who's the head of the Grammys, was part of the Underdogs, 397 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: huge producers. They produced a lot of our music in 398 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: the boy. 399 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: Band Got It. 400 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: And I was just going through like my old like 401 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: iTunes basically and found all these old demos Kevin from 402 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: all of them, and it's like, I remember there was 403 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: this song that I wanted for us, and Jesse McCartney 404 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: got it and I found the demo and then I 405 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: listened to Jesse McCartney's version, and so it's so funy 406 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: and so like I would go like, I remember one 407 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: time we were in the studio and it was where 408 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: I am, and it was Chris Brown and Omarion and 409 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: they were dance battling in the hallway and then Pharrell 410 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: was in the studio across from us, and Farrell came 411 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: over and he's like, I heard you guys are recording 412 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: my song, and like so at night I was literally 413 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: hanging out with Pharrell and will I Am wrapped an 414 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: entire freestyle to me and my friend justin Wow, but 415 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: the beat playing in his studio, he left the door open, 416 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: came out and freestyled an entire song. And so like 417 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: then I would just go to school. And then we 418 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: got signed by Interscope Geffen, and and so like we 419 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: would go to the Geffen Interscope parties and so like, 420 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: I remember one night I was on my way home 421 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: and I was like calling my sister, who was in 422 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: Texas by that point, being like I just hung out 423 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: with Stevie Nicks and Mary J. Blige. What as like 424 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: a seventeen sixteen year old seventeen. 425 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: Year old wow? Yeah, And it was just like wow. 426 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: It was very surreal and definitely felt like I was 427 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: living a double life, but like that's what I wanted 428 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: to be doing. Like we were hanging out with Nicole 429 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: Scherz and you're on the regular like all the pussy 430 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: Cat dolls. 431 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: Like that was when your friends more of the Hollywood 432 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: friends or were your friends. 433 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: More of the school friends? 434 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: Like which which life did you live more. 435 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Or was it intertwined? 436 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: It was very much intertwined because so my friend Justin 437 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: he was sort of like the person in between. So 438 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: we lived in the same area. So I was friends 439 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: with him because but he was also like I was 440 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: also in the group with him. Yeah, and so like 441 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: he and I would go do all the Hollywood stuff 442 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: together and then we'd go back and we'd live in 443 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: the same area, which is like forty minutes outside of 444 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: La Yeah, Santa Karita, So I did both. 445 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 446 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: It was very strange. Like that was also the time, 447 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: and I think we've talked about it. We're like, I 448 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: also don't know why my parents are letting me do this, 449 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: but like we get snuck into clubs in Hollywood. 450 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: You were living in Hollywood, what do you do? I 451 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: was talking about Club one seven. Do you remember that one? 452 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god? Club one seven? 453 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: She I didn't know about this, and she was like, 454 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: do you know Club one seven? I was like, I 455 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: didn't live here during that time, Jenna. 456 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: My mom would drive us all and I'll see down 457 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: to Hollywood and Highland and she would wait outside. Can 458 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: you imagine that? He would wait outside, But we'd all 459 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: go in there and hang out at Club one seven. 460 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: And sometimes I would see my rival. I had a rival, 461 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: so like you know, I'm sure you had one or two. 462 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: Like when you watch you always say saw the same people. 463 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: There was this one guy who I always saw. He 464 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: was a really good dancer, and I was just like, 465 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: oh my god, and he's a really good actor. And 466 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: it was always down to me and him for everything, 467 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: to everything. And we'd go to club on seven and 468 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: he would be there and be like oh yeah, yeah, 469 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: and they would get like Shirley Temples. 470 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you guys. 471 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: I this is such a different live and this kind 472 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: of like makes sense to me no of like why 473 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: you were so like not unaffected by Glee, but like 474 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: this was like you had lived in this. 475 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 4: World whereas like maybe Ambrow was the closest other. 476 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: Thing to it. 477 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: But like Matt Leah Me, Chris, we all came from 478 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: like theater. This is like a totally different experience. Like 479 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: we weren't going to clubs, like oh yeah, we were 480 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: like the competition. All all you can do is live 481 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: and breathe theater. And maybe I'm only speaking for myself, 482 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: but like I lived in a world where like college 483 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: was everything and it was a conservatory or bust, like 484 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: if you were living, breathing, like everything was about your showcase, 485 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: about what agent you were going to get, or like 486 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: what kind of jobs you were going to get outside 487 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: of school. Who was going to book the first Broadway 488 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: show out of school or tour or get their equity card? 489 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 4: Like it was. 490 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: It was like all encompassing to the point where like 491 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: nothing else mattered, and it was so. 492 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: Serious. Yeah, it was so serious. 493 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: So it's so interesting. 494 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: To hear the the different ways that people grow up 495 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: in Hollywood or in theater, right, like they just their 496 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: very different lanes but yet similar. 497 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: And I think I think what was really helpful was 498 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: because my parents and family were not impressed by any 499 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: of it, were not confected by it. That like I 500 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: grew up around all of like Disney, Nickelodeon kids totally, 501 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: when I grew up around successful musicians like Pussycat Dolls 502 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: and all these people. And then I would go out 503 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: and I would be around, like I was around when 504 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: Nicole and Prince were talking at a club, and like 505 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: when James Blunt was really big, like like I would 506 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: you would see people because there were no phones, right, yeah, 507 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: And so I feel like, oh, like when I was sixteen, 508 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: we flew to New York and showcased for like five 509 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: or six labels, and so, like I remember going into 510 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: Drive not Drive. 511 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: Drive still exist, Yes, I think we did, And we. 512 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Went into La Reed. We auditioned for l A Re 513 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, like really, we got signed to Motown 514 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: and then dropped and then resigned with Innerscope. But like 515 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: so and Sylvia run he was ahead of Motown at 516 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 2: the time. She just got like an honorary Grammy this year. 517 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: But I think because and it wasn't I don't think 518 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: I was jaded, but I was unimpressed. Where like when 519 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: you were around the people who around your age who 520 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: are that successful, like all the Disney nickelodiing kids, and 521 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: you see the way they behave and it was sort 522 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: of embarrassing, Yeah, like they were wild. Yeah then and 523 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: the other time, I'm just dealing like with all adults 524 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: like you would a theater. 525 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: I imagine, like yeah, yeah, totally, You're around. 526 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: Adults all the time. So it's like I was better 527 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: with adults than I was with people my own age. Yeah, 528 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: And so like going into record labels and showcasing, like 529 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: I knew how to work a room of adults, and 530 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: I knew the schedule of we. 531 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Had is a good thing about that, it's hardly being 532 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: able to understand like adult, you know. 533 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: Yes, Like that's why I always feel I could disconnect 534 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: with kids my own age, because I like my sense 535 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: of humor, like adults got it, yeah, but like kids 536 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: never got it. And I guess the reference to Glee, 537 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: And I said this when I came into Glee to 538 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: you guys. But like I had been on tour several times, 539 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: I was used to spending days in recording studios eight 540 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: to ten hour dance rehearsals like that had been my 541 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: life for years before Glee happened. 542 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: Totally, I think about like I was actually good with kids, 543 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: but that was because I. 544 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: Was around a lot of kids. 545 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: But I was around a lot of kids who were 546 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 4: around a lot of adults. 547 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: So I was surrounded by like the Broadway kids, which 548 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: was like Brandon Uranowitz and Christy Carlson Romano and I mean, 549 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: you name it. They we were doing it right and 550 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: and then doing like Broadway shows with kids were we 551 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: were treated with the adults like the adults. And so 552 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: even though there were like fifteen kids in the King 553 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: and I like we were still but you know, like 554 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: it was just it was a mature environment where you 555 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: were expected to like hit your mark, know your lines. 556 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: Not laugh, I mean. 557 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: Schedule like what, oh yeah, if you're going to school, 558 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 2: what is that like? So like you're a child and 559 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 2: then you're going to school in Long Island and do 560 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: you have a show eight times a week? 561 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: Yes, so there's a certain age where you're to do 562 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: two shows a day and do eight shows a week, 563 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: and it's pretty young. But there was one kid that 564 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: I think couldn't do all of the shows because she 565 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: was three in the show and she's our baby. But 566 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: the schedule was in rehearsals for six weeks. During the 567 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: pre pro we would be doing or like rehearsals, we 568 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: would have tutoring, and then during the show when the 569 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: show was up and running, my dad bought a minivan 570 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: so I could sleep on the way home and I 571 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: would go to school. I would come home, i'd do 572 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: my homework, we'd get in the car, i'd go do 573 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: the show. He would drive me home and then i'd 574 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: go to school the next day. And the only day 575 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I didn't go to school sometimes was Wednesdays because I 576 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: had matine. So I would do two shows, and my 577 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: dad actually would go in with me. Sometimes my mom 578 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: would go into but oftentimes my dad would go with me. 579 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: And then on Wednesdays he would go and he would 580 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: either hang out with the parents while we were literally 581 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: in shows all day, or you go to the three 582 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: dollar Movie Theater which is now New World Stages. 583 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: And these parents. 584 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: Really were dedicated. 585 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: That is crazy full time job, Like how was he 586 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: doing this? 587 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: He did. He was able to work from home, so 588 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: he was able to work. 589 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: And worked from the car because there were cell phones 590 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: and pagers and you know, all those things. But he 591 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: was able to kind of do both, which was amazing 592 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: because otherwise one parent would have to give up their 593 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: career and one parent would have to do that. But luckily, 594 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: like you know, when I was younger, my dad would 595 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: drive us in, my mom would take me upstairs. My 596 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: dad would stay in the car and work a little bit, 597 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: and then you know, I'd come downstairs done for my auditions. 598 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: But it was a grueling schedule and it was tough, 599 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: like it was a long those were long days. But 600 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: there was nothing I loved more. So it was fine, 601 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Like I didn't mind it, He didn't mind it. It 602 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: was a pretty you know, once in a lifetime experience 603 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: for us. 604 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: But man, that is dedication. It's top. 605 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: And then to have a supportive school as well, Like 606 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: the kids they were like so supportive. The friends that 607 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: I had were mainly supportive, and the teachers were like 608 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: my fourth grade teacher loved the idea of me. He 609 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: was like I think he was a gay man. I 610 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: don't actually know know, but like think who like love theater. 611 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: Loved this idea that like he was helping me like 612 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: live my dreams and he would like give me my 613 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: homework and just like help as much as possible. And 614 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: so we were very lucky in that way that I 615 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: had a lot of support where it's like you don't 616 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: always get that, you know. 617 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: I assure you the schools in Texas did not understand 618 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: that I was going away for a couple of months. 619 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: No, I'm sure that that's actually very difficult. I'm curious 620 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: about like kids growing up in the industry now versus then, 621 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Like what do you think the main differences are? Because 622 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: I see these kids with like who are maybe parents 623 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: run instagrams, but just the idea of like a parent 624 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: putting a kid's headshot online and like putting like kids 625 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: online like that, I don't understand it. I'm not there, 626 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: I my kid is I would never do it, but 627 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: like I I don't understand it, and I don't know 628 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: if you have to if that's like being that's what's 629 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: the chat is or like what this world is now. 630 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: But like I can't imagine with the Internet on top 631 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: of it, or like the YouTube kids being like sourced out, 632 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: et cetera, like how you how people navigate all. 633 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: I think the big difference is like before kids only 634 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: I guess access or exposure to the public would be 635 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: in produced things where you have unions to sort of protect, 636 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: whether it's theater, whether it's TV or film or commercials, 637 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: Like there are laws that have to be followed for 638 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: these kids, right certain hours for schooling whatever, and they're 639 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, like if they're in a commercial, this is 640 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: a thirty second thing that's going to be seen. I 641 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: feel like now because parents can do it online with whatever, 642 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: it's like they can document child's whole life and then 643 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: the child has no say in it, you know, where 644 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's not just that they were in 645 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: an episode of a TV show, or they were in 646 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: one movie, or they were in a thirty second commercial. 647 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: It's like years of their life documented for the public, 648 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: and then that kid grows up and has to get 649 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: a job, and like you just never know. I think 650 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: that's scary to me to have so little agency over 651 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: your own Yeah whatever, Yeah, obviously, I think you know, 652 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: people have obviously said that about like child actors, like oh, 653 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: because the parents wanted the kid to do this, sure, 654 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: but still there's still a limit. And again you are 655 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: working within businesses that have protections. 656 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and. 657 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: Like think about like for SAG actors, like when you're 658 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: under eighteen, a portion of your money gets stored in 659 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: another account, like bank account that your parents cannot touch. Yeah, 660 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: just in case to protect the kid, in case the 661 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: Cougan account, in case you know, the parents are stealing 662 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: money from their kids. 663 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: Well, because that was happening a lot. 664 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I imagine, you know, on social media, there's 665 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: no real protections. I know, you know, like you can't 666 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: but you can't advertise on kids content under thirteen years old, correct, Yeah, 667 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: but there are always around that. Yeah, you can do 668 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: end video, I think things, but like. 669 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's at least some protections, you know, regulations, but. 670 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: I think it's like it's now left up to like 671 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: corporations to do that, and it's like, I don't think 672 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: that's necessarily ever a good thing when you're like asking 673 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: the corporation who's making the money off of it to 674 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: make the rules that would limit how much money they're 675 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: actually making. 676 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: Protecting children, No, for sure, I think there's like an 677 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: added pressure of like to like our parents were like, 678 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, trying to help us do this thing in 679 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: a safe, hopefully and you know, protected way, Whereas now 680 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: it feels like there's just this additional added pressure even 681 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: for parents to be like do I do this? Do 682 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: I not? Like, how do I navigate this, like putting 683 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: my kid out there? Is it hindering their success? 684 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 2: Is it not? 685 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: You know, like it's just I think there's an added 686 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: piece that it only makes it more difficult for kids 687 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: because I think I think a lot of people are like, oh, 688 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: these kids, they were you know, their famous at such 689 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: a young age, and it's you know. 690 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 4: Or successful early. 691 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: But I think there's so many pieces that have to 692 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: be protected when a kid is in the industry early 693 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: that people don't always think about, right, Like you just 694 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: see a kid on TV and assume like it's it's 695 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: all great and they're maeding money and they're doing this thing, 696 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: but like, imagine what that's growing up. Obviously, like Demi's 697 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: documentary that you you know, people of she put out 698 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: a few years ago, Try what is it called try Uh? 699 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: But she was one of the ones I like when 700 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: she moved to La she lived with me with my family, 701 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: and like we saw that. I think the other big component, 702 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: I think, whether you're starting on whether you're starting on 703 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: social media or starting on TV or film or your 704 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 2: or whatever, it is, the foundation from which you come 705 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 2: from has to be strong. And I think a lot 706 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 2: of times when we see young actors or not young 707 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 2: actors sort of spiral out or lose control or there's 708 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: usually a direct line to a lack of like real support. 709 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: And I mean having people around you who say no 710 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: and say no to people for you, especially if you're 711 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: a kid, yeah, and who are not affected and who 712 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: are not impressed by it, but still support the thing 713 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: you want to do, because I think the constant I'm 714 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: sure you can speak to this too, of like there's 715 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: a group of people who turned out one way and 716 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: it was because like their parents were around more yep, 717 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: or the like I knew like I was going getting 718 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 2: snuck into a club at sixteen years old, but I 719 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 2: never drank. I never did any drugs, and I was 720 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: not impressed. I was like, oh my god, that's Prince. 721 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: But it wasn't like, oh, if Prince told me to 722 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: do this in the same thing, I wasn't. 723 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: Necessarily going to do right right, Like yeah, it was 724 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: I think. I think there's also something that you had 725 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: said that made me think about like also for kids 726 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: at such a young age, not number one the competition aspect, 727 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: number two the support aspect, and number three the self 728 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: worth aspect of this. 729 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: It is just such an external. 730 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: Art form in some ways that like we're always looking 731 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: for acceptance and validation, validation and to be accepted and 732 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: said you know yes to And I think as a 733 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: kid growing up, always constantly looking for that and being 734 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: rejected often. And then in this industry, I saw somebody 735 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: posted this thing recently on Instagram. It was like a 736 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: trending thing or whatever they're called. But it was like 737 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: it was like we I thought I would. I thought 738 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: I would feel it all when I got my accepted 739 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: to college. I thought I would feel it all. When 740 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: I got my first job, I thought I would feel 741 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: it all when I got wait, when I got my 742 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: first leading job, you know, my principal role, blah blah blah. 743 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: And he just kept going. 744 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: It was like it's never going to be enough, Like 745 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: you can't wait for that to find the love for yourself. 746 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: And I think as a kid, you know, we're always 747 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: trying to teach as parents self love and self worth, 748 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: and I think we miss that sometimes of like how 749 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: they can find that not from external extringic reward and 750 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: like external forces, but like really inward. And I think 751 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: this is another thing that will perpetuate that feeling of 752 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: like looking for that externally. And so it's so important. 753 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: I think that when kids go into the industry that 754 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: the support system, like you said, is there to reinforce 755 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: those things that that's not the end all be all. 756 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: Right, I think. I mean good examples are like Billie Eilish, 757 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: if you watch her doc and how her mom is 758 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: around all the time. Yeah it's not like her mom 759 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 2: was hugely famous, but her mom has grown up around 760 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: a lot of successful actors and she's a great improv 761 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: actor yea. And so when you're exposed to even that 762 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: level of things. You are you know what to look for, 763 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: you know what the signs are, you know what to 764 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: be impressed or not impressed by, and you know the 765 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 2: power of saying no to things. 766 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so to have. 767 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 2: Somebody who skyrocketed to success at such a young age 768 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: have a support system like that, and there's a difference. 769 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: There's there's a difference between having a stage parent than 770 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 2: having a supportive parent totally, and like that is fully 771 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: a supportive parent who, like you are allowing the kid 772 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: to dictate this and allowing the kids to do what 773 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: they want. But but within some there's guards reasonable Yeah, 774 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: because you're an adult and you have life experience, and 775 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: you know, I just. 776 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 3: Like real guidance, right, like real, true guidance. 777 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 2: And I thought that was very, very impressive because I 778 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 2: think the stories we often see in the media are 779 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: the opposite. You see people spiraling out and you see 780 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: parents taking advantage of their kids, and because it does 781 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 2: happen a lot, totally, but you don't talk about the 782 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: ones where it doesn't happen because. 783 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: Exactly looking for the attention exactly. Yeah, Well this was 784 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: really from a conversation, and we can always come back 785 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: to this one and talk more about it, because. 786 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: I would also like to see if anybody has questions 787 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: about this. 788 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we could do like a child factory 789 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: in the industry for sure. Well, thanks for joining us 790 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: and listening to this fun little charging episode and. 791 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 2: That's what you really missed. 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