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Speaker 1: my brother and sister and I were like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: so my guest is not an athlete, but she loves boxing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It is when you fall down, you get up. When

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Speaker 1: Why because they wanted you to feel the pain of life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And it's just who I want. So I want

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Speaker 1: Where you were?

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Speaker 2: I was in a convent and in being raised by nuns.

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Speaker 1: They are all your things. So you said you were

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Speaker 2: work at Sizzler's. Which I hated was that the steakhouse. Yes,

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Speaker 2: What's the feeling that I couldn't believe that I was

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man? I thought, like, because back then Puerto Rico

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Speaker 2: And he goes, I go, hi, daddy, how are you.

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Speaker 1: Quit. I quit. You really respected your dad? Huh oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My father made me. My father made me have contact

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm just so excited watching Spike on

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Speaker 2: But how well Hampy was is that I was leaving

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Speaker 2: She was never on Soldier. She's my college buddy, and

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Speaker 2: So we went. They're having a butt contest because he

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Speaker 1: Said, this is what you want. Don't let this is what.

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Speaker 2: get down, And I got down and I am trembling.

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Speaker 2: He can see I'm trembling that I'm scared. But I

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Speaker 2: He goes, where are you from? And I said Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: and he goes he starts laughing again. I said, what

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Speaker 2: Tonight is paye. You're an actress. I go, I'm not

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Speaker 2: you're an actress. Tonight is fate. And I went, oh,

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Speaker 2: poking him and I'm not getting it. Yeah, And my

430
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: girlfriend Marian is like, roh, shut up. This is Spike Lee.

431
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: I go, hoo, oh you didn't know who he was?

432
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: Do you know who he was?

433
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I didn't know who he was.

434
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: And then he told his produce a MOUNTI wars at

435
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: the time, give him my card and I looked at

436
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: the car and I'm thinking it's never gonna happen. Yeah,

437
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: And it just kept making him laugh and he followed

438
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: me out. He says, call me, Okay, you're gonna call me.

439
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna call me. And I said, what is this

440
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: a scene from Saturday Night peeb Tony? You're gonna call

441
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: me Tony? You didn't call me? You know that scene

442
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: or when he's up on the bridge ready to.

443
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Kill him something?

444
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: You didn't call me? Tell me, right? And so Spike

445
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: just keeps laughing. I leave the club and I throw

446
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: the card into the garbage and it's one of those

447
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: ten round big things. Marion dove into that garbage and

448
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: took out. She goes, are you crazy?

449
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: You can't let this one go there? And so you get?

450
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: You get? She called him?

451
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Did she called him the next morning?

452
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

453
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: He says, I don't want to talk to you. I

454
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: want to talk to the girl with the Puerto Rican accent.

455
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: Now in La no one could figure out what my accent.

456
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: They were probably like, what is that right?

457
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, he goes, he want to talk to the

458
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: girl with the Puerto Rican accent. And that got my interest.

459
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: So you were like, I'm into this. So you get

460
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: cast and do the right thing. It's amazing. And then

461
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: this shocked me. So you are in this movie, it

462
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: gets lots of recognition. You don't get another part right away,

463
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: you don't. No one's signing you. Like what happened? I mean,

464
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: and this was a big deal.

465
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Well everyone thought it was just a fluke, and it

466
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: was even a I remember a reporter said she's a fluke.

467
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: And I saw him years later when he interviewed me

468
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: for Fearless, and I said, do you remember.

469
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, we should point out Fearless is

470
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: where you got your OSCAR nomination. So so this this

471
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: guy came up again. Okay, So it's funny, by the way,

472
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: how we don't forget like an ouch that comes even

473
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: that early in our career. So it's like you can

474
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: see the headline, you can think about the person.

475
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my childhood trauma. Yeah, because that was like,

476
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: sister Ranata, you're never going to amount to anything. And

477
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: I said, yes, I am, you know. So it was

478
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: that and I decided to go back to college to finish,

479
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: and my aunt was so upset. She wanted me to

480
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: go back and get a job. Nobody. She goes, do

481
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: you can get a job? And I said, oh my god,

482
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: and then yeah. But when the premiere came out, I

483
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: sat in the theater and I sat there, couldn't move,

484
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: tears coming down my eyes, and my half sister goes,

485
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: is it the Newity? And I went no, it's the magic.

486
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: I said, this is what I want to do. Spike

487
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: Lee was right and that was it and nobody, no calls, no, nothing,

488
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: this and that. So I did my research and I

489
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: started asking, how do actors get jobs? You need an agent.

490
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: How do you get an agent? Well that's tricky, you know.

491
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: I was like, it's a catch twenty two and I

492
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: was like oh. And then one actor said, well, there's

493
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: this magazine called Backstage and it's a casting call. And

494
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: I went on it and I saw a casting for

495
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: this HBO movie starring Forrest Whittakutt and Anthony Lapogna and

496
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: Jennifer Gray, and I went out for it.

497
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I just went in, just cold. You just were's Rosie

498
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: knocking on the door at the casting call. What happened?

499
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: I got the roll, I got the role, and then

500
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: Jennifer Gray goes, who's your agent? And there was this

501
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: woman at the time that was trying to rep me,

502
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: but she asked if I could get a nose job

503
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: and dye my hair blonde, and so I buy it.

504
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think that the number of people

505
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: who probably tried to change you, and you're so perfect

506
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: as you are, but they probably said, yeah, get rid

507
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: of the accent, get rid of it. Everyone wants to

508
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: change everybody, even in the news business. They're like, cut

509
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: your hair like this, talk like this, be like that,

510
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: stand like this, and you resisted all of that.

511
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that about the news.

512
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah they did. They did that early on. They would

513
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: tell you get the you have to have this look,

514
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: get the blazer, drop your voice three octaves, because you know,

515
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: everybody had to have this kind of thing that you

516
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: I had someone who went through my whole closet when

517
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: I started working at NBC. They're like no, no, no, no,

518
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: maybe no no no, and they took me right to

519
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: a hair salon and I got this cut that is

520
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: definitely yuck. But at the time they were like, you

521
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: got to get this. But it was everybody trying to

522
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: make you into something that fits there mold just like

523
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: for you. So knows job this blonde here, You're like bye.

524
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: So then what Jennifer Gray. She said, come up to

525
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: my room. And we were on location in Pennsylvania, in Pittsburgh,

526
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: and I went up to a room and I thought

527
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: we were just going to hang out and I'm thinking, oh,

528
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: this is so cool because I liked her instantly, and

529
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: she said hang on a second. And she called her agent,

530
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Jane Blina and Kevin Huvain and said you need to

531
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: sign this girl. And they said, who was it, Rosie Perez.

532
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: She was in do the right thing and they said,

533
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: signed right then and there over the phone. And so

534
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: it was Jennifer Gray. Once again, someone came in and

535
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: changed my life, you know. And that was see yeah, wow,

536
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: Jennifer Gray.

537
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: Shout out to Jennifer Gray. She just she just saw

538
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: it in you. It seems like Spike saw it in you.

539
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Jennifer saw it in you. Did you see it in you?

540
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: I did. I didn't like when he asked me to

541
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: be in the movie. I was so scared, you know.

542
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: And I had to audition for Robbie Reid and she said,

543
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: you're good, this is what you should be doing. And

544
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: I went really and she said yeah, and I said okay, well,

545
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: thank you, and I was walking out, I heard her

546
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: on the phone and she says, Spike castor done. And

547
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: so I didn't see it. I didn't see it. But

548
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: when I saw the premiere, I saw it. But I

549
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: also the person I am also saw the room for improvement.

550
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I could have did this differently. Yeah.

551
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: And it was because on the set of Do the

552
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: Right Thing, it was mister Danny Iello who told me

553
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: to come to set every day even when I wasn't working,

554
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: and to sit next to him on the days he

555
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: was working. And he goes, let me show you how

556
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: a ghost kid. And he says, first of all, you

557
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: got to calm down. And I was like, okay, And

558
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: he just was giving me tricks of the trade and stuff.

559
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: He became a student, he seems like, you're you're a

560
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: perpetual student. Yes.

561
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one thing the convent did well. Yes, yes,

562
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: they were preparing as well as they could have in

563
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: their way, the kids for real life. And so it

564
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: wasn't just about book learning. It was also about life learning.

565
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: You know.

566
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: They taught us how to cook, they taught us how

567
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: to take care of our clothes. They taught us how

568
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: to do the laundry and this and clean and this

569
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: and this, not because a lot of the children aged out,

570
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: meaning once they got to eighteen years old, they had

571
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: to get out by law. And we would see that

572
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: a lot, and it was terrifying. It was terrifying the

573
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: pressure on it. But you just ended up. Every day

574
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: was a lessie.

575
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: Every day was a lesson. I mean, it's so interesting

576
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: because you know the rejection that comes in your industry,

577
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: in the acting industry, all the time, people don't like

578
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing, how you're doing it, change theys, do this,

579
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: do that. But I was wondering if, because of the upbringing,

580
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: what you've been through, I'm sure rejection felt like a

581
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: nat on your shoulder. It's like, oh, they said, no, okay.

582
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how did that prepare you? Because a lot

583
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: of people can't stomach the rejection of Hollywood. It's too

584
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: hard someone to your face saying you're not good enough,

585
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: you're not what we're looking for, You're not right. You know,

586
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: tell me how you was stood that kind of stuff.

587
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: I did that because, like some of the children in

588
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: the home, got to go to outside school. That only

589
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: meant public school, which was funny because most of the

590
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: public kids wanted to be in the Catholic school, but

591
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: it was a strategy on the Catholic Church's part to

592
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: integrate us into public life. And I remember this one

593
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: teacher who hit me in class, and I was so

594
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: tired of being hit, so I hit her back, and

595
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: she dragged me out of the classroom. This is first grade,

596
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: by my hair. And she told all the children she's

597
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: in that convent because she's a bad girl, and this

598
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: is the reason why. And nobody wants her, not even

599
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: her mother wanted her. I remember this. I remember this,

600
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: and I was crying, crying, and all of a sudden,

601
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: a calm came over me, and it was like, I'm

602
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna show her. It was that. And then when I

603
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: did so well in class and I couldn't be denied,

604
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: she had to change. And plus I told on her.

605
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: I went to the principal of the school and I

606
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: taught I said what she did. And so it's kind

607
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: of like, okay, that's so, but let's move on, cause

608
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta get good grades. I gotta do

609
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: well or else I'm back in the Catholic school and

610
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: I have to do this and I have to do

611
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: that or this is going to hopping. And then it's like,

612
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: so I didn't get to go home on the weekend

613
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: to see my father and my aunt. Okay, so what

614
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: what are we going to do? And then like lydio,

615
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? Because we were stuck a

616
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: lot by ourselves? So what are we going to do? Well,

617
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: it's like it was rejection being pushed out constantly in

618
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: my childhood and it was like, what are you going

619
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: to do about it? We used to see the kids

620
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: who would just get consumed by it, and it's sad

621
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: because I mean, you know, not everybody's that strong, and

622
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: it's not their fault, you know what I mean, it's

623
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: the adult's fault and the circumstances that they were in.

624
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: But it was also kind of like, well, what are

625
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: we going to do with the rest of the day.

626
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it moving.

627
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: That's pretty remarkable, which explains a lot about you because

628
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: when I was reading and knew this from before, but

629
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: you love boxing, and I always thought, wow, that's interesting.

630
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Rosie likes boxing. She used to go to the matches.

631
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: She likes to watch people box, and you like doing it,

632
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: not competing but doing it. But it all makes sense.

633
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: Boxing is your life. It's like you get smacked down,

634
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: you're flat on your back and you pop up. I mean,

635
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: has that been kind of the theme?

636
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, one hundred present. That's why I loved it.

637
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: That's why I loved it. It's like when I saw

638
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: Ali get knocked down by Fraser and everybody was shocked

639
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: and he rolls like Lazareuth. Everybody's like what you know?

640
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: And I remembered that as a young girl, Like I mean,

641
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: it just made me. There's like you know, the television,

642
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, And and that's that's why I love boxing.

643
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: Because also it takes discipline and dedication and hard work

644
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: to step in the ring. Not everybody gets to step

645
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: in the ring. Not everybody gets a shot at being champion,

646
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: you know. And even when you become champ, you got

647
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: to sustain, you know what I mean. And that's also

648
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: another thing about Hollywood. It's like a lot I see

649
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, Hollywood is like these

650
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, your career goes up, it goes down, and

651
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: this and this and that. And one thing that I

652
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: got from fighters, professional fighters, you can't let anyone see

653
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: you sweat you just got to keep going, you know,

654
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: until the next bout. Okay, you took l on this one,

655
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: all right, start training for the next one. And you

656
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: just have to That's what I mean. It's just like rejection.

657
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: There's a pot of life. It sucks. I'll get down

658
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: for maybe. Well my manager targ goes, you're weird, and like,

659
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: what do you meaning? Goes, You're my only client. You go, oh,

660
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: that sucks. I'm so sad. Yeah, and then he goes

661
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: and then you call me the next thing and go, hey,

662
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: did you see this on TV? Well? What else am

663
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: I supposed to do?

664
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: So that's the secret. If you're if people are listening

665
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: and going like I'm going through some really bad stuff,

666
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: is that really? It just getting up and clean slating

667
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: it kind.

668
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: Of know what you have to take care of your

669
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: mental health. I have therapy, I have medication. I you know,

670
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: you can't do it alone. You know, I have a meditation.

671
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: You know, I have time by myself. I have you know,

672
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: on my on the phone with my sister Carmen every

673
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: single day. It takes work. It takes work to rise

674
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: above things. But once you get into kind of a

675
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: routine of things, then you know how it goes. And

676
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: also it was one day my aunt used to be very,

677
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: very depressed. She was clinically depressed. Funny, lively woman, but

678
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: speely depressed. And I remember and I said, THEO, what's wrong,

679
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: I Rosia, I'm so depressed. And I said, yeah, I'm

680
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: so sorry. She just I dies. But you know, Tomorrow's

681
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: another fucking day. And that's my motto. That's my mom,

682
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: that's it, that's it. And Helen Thomas when I saw her,

683
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: except her matrix. She was talking about she went to

684
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: France to cover Jackie Kennedy and she was so nervous

685
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: and she was doing all this prep and she she

686
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: bunks with this like older French journalist woman. And the

687
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: woman goes, you need a relax you're over prepared, and

688
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: she said, this is a chance of a lifetime.

689
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Just celebrate the moment.

690
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Go downstairs into my wine cellar and bring me a

691
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: bottle of wine and let's just uncork it. And she said, okay.

692
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: Helen Thomas says. She goes downstairs and she goes, oh

693
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: my god, there's so many expensive bottles. She picks out

694
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: the cheapest one. She goes back upstairs and the journalist

695
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: tolds her Helen, life's too short to drink the house wine.

696
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Go downstairs and get the good stuff.

697
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. So that's it, that's

698
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: your's that's how you that's how you navigate.

699
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you could get down, you could get depressed.

700
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm not like Superwoman, you know. I have my moments.

701
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: I have my dog days and everything like that. But

702
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: it's like, it's like the alternative is what I've seen it.

703
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: I lived it. I've watched it with all these children

704
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: that had such an unfortunate life as I as did I,

705
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: but they didn't have it not they didn't have a dad,

706
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't have anyone telling them they're special,

707
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I could see how

708
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: darkness can come and take you. And I know that.

709
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: I know that, and I want to keep darkness at

710
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: bay as much as possible, you know, because some days

711
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: is not easy, Orta, some days are not easy, you know.

712
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: And so what do I do? I text my therapist.

713
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: I got her out of retirement. You told me she

714
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: was retired.

715
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: I go, you care, I need you, I need you.

716
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: So on a dark day, tell me what you would

717
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: do if someone's listening and thinking, I want to get

718
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: out of this funk that I'm in. What do you

719
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: do well?

720
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: Everybody's diagnosis is different. I have dystymia, which is a

721
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: low grade chronic depression. It never goes away. I have

722
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: PTSD and I have high anxiety. So what I have

723
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: learned is cognitive therapy, which is one you have to

724
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: train yourself to recognize I'm depressed.

725
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So if.

726
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: You can't get out of better, you're slow to get

727
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: out of bed, or if you're slow to get your coffee,

728
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: or you feel blah for no reason, or you feel

729
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: a sadness for no reason, those are the signs you know.

730
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, click, these are the signs you know

731
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: what you have to do. So what do I have

732
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: to do is I have to go and tell myself

733
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: you're depressed. And I go outside in the backyard and

734
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: I have to have light. It's light therapy. Ye have

735
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: the light therapy, and I'm like, and then I have

736
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: to go upstairs and I get on the elliptical and

737
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: I start moving exercise and exercise to pumpy and doorphins,

738
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: and sometimes it still doesn't work. And so that's when

739
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: I call my sister Calmon, and I talk it out

740
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: with her, or I tell my husband, or I text

741
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: my therapist I need an emergency session, you know. Or

742
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: sometimes she goes, you're fine, do this, do that, and

743
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: we'll talk tomorrow. It's all those things. You have to be.

744
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: Proactic, don't ignore it and shove it under and think

745
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: you'll go through the day. Yeah, did you after your upbringing?

746
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I happen to have been at a Broadway

747
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: show called Every Brilliant Thing and saw your daughter in law.

748
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: I know she's so sweet, But then I was just

749
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: thinking about you because you're a grandma, right grandma, So

750
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking about you just as a mom, just

751
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: wanting did you given your upbringing? I think other people

752
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: might have chosen not to go down the road of

753
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: having children, and I've heard that multiple times. Not after

754
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: what I went through. I'm not doing that. What made

755
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: you want to become a mom?

756
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, no one, I don't know. I don't know.

757
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: But it was the hardest job I ever had and

758
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: the most rewarding job I ever had. It was very,

759
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: very difficult. You deal with a lot of guilt because

760
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: of your career. You know what I mean? You wonder

761
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: if you're being selfish, wondering if you did enough, did

762
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: you do things right?

763
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: You know?

764
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: But then the laughter and the joy sitting on the

765
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: couch under the blanket watching TCM, you know, film the War.

766
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: You know, Uh, this is Burt Lancaster. He's a hunk

767
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: of Uncle burn in love. But Barbara Stamach, Oh my god,

768
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: you know. And then you know, just moments like that.

769
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: And then like even with my grandson, you know, teaching

770
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: him how to break dance at the age of three.

771
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: He's hilarious.

772
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: Does he really know? Does crazy?

773
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 2: But we don't tell him that, you know. But all

774
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: I have to do is go diggy dickie boy boy

775
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: and he goes, you know, and he got the moves

776
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: and stuff, but he does the face, you know. And

777
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: I I was telling Kallye Quoco when I did Flight Attendant,

778
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: that's another game changer in my career. Quoo for her

779
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: to offer me that role and I said no, and

780
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm on a plane and she met with

781
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: me and she says, you have to say yes. And

782
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: it was what my career needed at that time. And

783
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to her.

784
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: I really am so many Guardian angels I do that

785
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: are just they see you?

786
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I told it that when we were in

787
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: second season on the cliffs in Iceland, and I just

788
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: started crying. I said, thank you, Kayleye, thank you.

789
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: By the way, you almost didn't take that job because

790
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: you hate flying, that's right, And I just wanted to

791
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: bring us back to White Lotus, which is where we started. Okay,

792
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: First of all, when I heard you were in White Lotus,

793
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I was like, perfect, And then I said, where are

794
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: they shooting? And there's Rosie getting on a plane. So

795
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: you do not like to fly, and that can sometimes

796
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: be a deal breaker for you, yep, But yet it

797
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: was not for White Lotus. What made you say yes?

798
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: I almost said no to that too. It's that it's

799
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: when Mike White called me and it's a small role.

800
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: I said, there's nothing here, and Mike, yeah, what am

801
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: I doing this for? He goes, well, first for I

802
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: didn't know that I was going to get you, and

803
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: he says, and second of all, I love you, I imitate you.

804
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't applaud. He said, go, this is weird. Mike,

805
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: all right, you're being weird and he's laughing. I go,

806
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm fucking serious. Mike stop laughing. And he's just laughing,

807
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: and I said no, because, like, look at it this line.

808
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: He goes, don't tell me what to write. I got you.

809
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: I got you. Yes, I can't give you more scenes,

810
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna give you a scene. Please trust me.

811
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: Don't say yes now, well, please trust me.

812
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: And I went, ah, okay.

813
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: I said, but but he goes, I always wanted you

814
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: to be a white lotus. I go, well, why didn't

815
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: you guess me before? And he just couldn't stop laughing.

816
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, this man is crazy, and I

817
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: go and I love him.

818
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: I loved him, and that's why you did it.

819
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: And that's why didn't I believed him. I believed him.

820
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so fascinated. Your career is like you

821
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: always are good to just keeps happening to you. It's

822
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: like when they said your name with white lotus, I thought,

823
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: of course, But when I think of you and do

824
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: the right thing in all the iteration sense, why do

825
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: you think it all keeps coming? Why do roles keep coming?

826
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: Most people are starving for roles. I feel like you're

827
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: getting them and thinking about rejecting them.

828
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't reject everything. And I don't get everything. So

829
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: I just want people to know that, especially like actors

830
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: who are struggling, and it's not an easy job. It

831
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: isn't and you do have to deal with a lot

832
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: of rejection. And I hate when other actors act like,

833
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, I like get out for it's oh, shut up.

834
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's just like shut up because

835
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: this is hot.

836
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: You know.

837
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: There's only less than one percent that it's easy for,

838
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, so ninety nine point five percent of us

839
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: it's a job. And I look at it that half

840
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: of my job. I tell my door in law, I said,

841
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: I'm working to get work right now.

842
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: She's what does that mean?

843
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: And I said, I get up. I call my manager,

844
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: talk what's on the agenda? What's out there? Anytime he

845
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: says read this, I don't wait. I can't believe actors

846
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: wait like I'll get to it next week. Next week,

847
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm reading It's morraml. I'm reading it today.

848
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: You know.

849
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: I exercise and try not to become like a blimped whale,

850
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: which I can because my family's full of fat cells,

851
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: like in large bat cells. I have so much sympathy God,

852
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: bless Manjaro and ozembic. It's a god send for people.

853
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: People don't understand when you're born in large fat cells.

854
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. I have a spank on right now. That's

856
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: killing me, you know, And but I digress. But you know,

857
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 2: I it's it's it's work, it's it does. It's not

858
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Speaker 2: like I'm like Keenan said, some actors are like they

859
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: think it's like they open the door and go job job. No,

860
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: it takes, it takes.

861
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Speaker 1: But I like that you have even on your non

862
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: working days, you're working. You're working, you're talking your manager,

863
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: you're exercising, You're putting yourself where you want to be.

864
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Speaker 2: I'm coming up with ideas I'm making like like, oh

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Speaker 2: so and someone wants to speak to you, let's set

866
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: it up. Good. God bless America for a zooms because

867
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: I couldn't stand like going out and doing the hair

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00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: so like I look good from here. That's all I

869
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's such a smart thing to do.

871
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: If anyone's like in between jobs, but work like you're

872
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: working right up. Start your day, have your breakfast, do

873
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 1: your exercise, start looking at whatever at whatever's out there,

874
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: and then make efforts like you're doing it. It's funny

875
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: because Maria Shriver and I were at a retreat and

876
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I was interviewing her and a lady raised her hand

877
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: and I remember it because she raised her hand and

878
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: she said, Maria, I am lost. My kids are I'm

879
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: an empty nester. My husband and I don't have You know,

880
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: we're not really connecting. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost.

881
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: We were at this retreat. She goes, can you help me?

882
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Maria said, well, I don't. I don't know you, so

883
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: I can't give you advice, but I will give you.

884
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you a tiny bit of advice. And she said,

885
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: words matter. She said, you're not lost, You're here. You're

886
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: not lost. You're seeking. You're not out of work. You're seeking,

887
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: you're not unemployed. You are in search of on or

888
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: in search of So I was thinking, like, when you

889
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: are in a position where you don't have work, what

890
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: you're doing, you're you're just you just put into words

891
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: exactly what she was saying, which is, I'm a seeker

892
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: right now, I'm seeking work. Are you out of work now?

893
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm seeking work? I'm not out of work. Yeah, I'm

894
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: going to get it.

895
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also I do charity, charitable work that takes

896
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: up a lot of my time, you know, so I'm

897
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: not just sitting and moping and wondering why things aren't happening.

898
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: I do a lot of voice over work, which is so.

899
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Much more fun and enjoy you know.

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00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 2: That's that's that's been such a blessing. You know, it's

901
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: that's you just have to keep moving forward forward, You

902
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: have to keep moving forward.

903
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: Lastly, as we wrap up, sadly, I'm so bummed. I

904
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Speaker 1: don't I could do this conversation all day. But what

905
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: in this season of life brings you joy?

906
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: Like?

907
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: What what lights you up? What turns you on these days?

908
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: That's easy. My grandson, my grandson FaceTime, you know. And

909
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: I primed him to get used to FaceTime because I

910
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: was always on location. So I made up a song

911
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: and it went, it's Abuela in the phone. It's Abuela

912
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: in the phone, and she's gonna rush your home to

913
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Speaker 2: see that Glen, And so he got so used to it.

914
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: Tara says, you're the only one that he goes I

915
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: want to FaceTime.

916
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: Boiler because he knows the song's coming.

917
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Speaker 2: And four years old, and we FaceTime every day.

918
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Speaker 1: Every day, Rosie he brings joy. I love you, Thank

919
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: you for coming on my podcast, Thank you for having me. Okay,

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00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, wow. That interview with Rosie Perez was

921
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Speaker 1: everything to me. I mean when I look at her

922
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Speaker 1: and I think of what she endured in her life

923
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Speaker 1: and her superpower, Like, I think something we can all

924
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: take from this. Her superpower is when she gets knocked

925
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: down flat, if she gets rejected, if she gets if

926
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: something bad happens to her, she pops back up. But

927
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Speaker 1: it's not like she's not like, oh I swallowed a

928
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: happy pill and I'm up and yay. She doesn't do that.

929
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Speaker 1: She puts in the work, which I think is so important.

930
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: It's like she takes time, she does her meditation, she

931
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: does all kinds of things. She doesn't expect it to

932
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: be in her DNA, but which is such a great

933
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: thing for all of us. So if you don't wake

934
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Speaker 1: up happy all the time, are joyful all the time,

935
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: it's okay. There is a way to get there. And

936
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Speaker 1: I think what Rosie does is she shows us that

937
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: path and listening to her childhood and what she endured

938
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Speaker 1: and what she had to live through, the rejection and

939
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: all that pain, and to be sitting here opposite me

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00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: talking about what a beautiful life she has. She's chosen it,

941
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Speaker 1: she's chosen joy, and she's just someone who does all that.

942
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: My God, I'm gonna practice all of Rosy's things after Okay,

943
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: you know I love a poem. How about this one?

944
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: This is a poem by Roquel Franco. It's called You

945
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Speaker 1: Are Alive. It's almost summer and the swings are empty.

946
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: They're braided chains creaking, waiting for Joy to come and

947
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: sit with them. You are alive, and yes there's always

948
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: something to be sad about, but Joy's always wanting. We

949
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: are creatures with mighty lungs that love to lick the air.

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00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: You are alive, and you could be one green light,

951
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: one good cry, or a stack of pancakes away from

952
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: bumping into her. Roquel Franco. I hope Rosie's words stay

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Speaker 1: with you like they're going to stay with me.