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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Steffan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You projection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of book Club. This month, we are reading Eb's

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Speaker 1: a Boys twenty nineteen novel Pride, a Pride and Prejudice remix,

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Speaker 1: which he has us to take on Pride and prejudice

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Speaker 1: in our modern day with black and Afro LATINX characters.

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Speaker 1: The author also draws on personal experience. She grew up

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Speaker 1: in Bushwick, which is a big part for the story

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Speaker 1: takes place and has Haitian roots like the main character.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very very excited about this because I have

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Speaker 1: never read Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 2: I did we not DoD yeah, because it was much shorter. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm about to and make you read Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm annoyed. I love this, and I know you

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Speaker 1: have strong opinions about like the film and TV adaptions.

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Speaker 1: I do opinions, yes, So I'm very very excited. This

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Speaker 1: is gonna be fun because I'm gonna I'm going to

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Speaker 1: break down the plot of the book and then I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask Samantha to tell me the comparison. I'm

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Speaker 1: very very excited. Also, I really want to read Zavoy's

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Speaker 1: other other works. We had kind of a list of

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Speaker 1: what we were choosing for this month, and she had

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Speaker 1: another one on there that I really wanted to do

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Speaker 1: because she's written a graphic novel on Octavia Butler. She's

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Speaker 1: also written for Marvel's Black Panther. She did a whole

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Speaker 1: thing about Acoyer coming to the United States, so hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can come back in the future.

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Speaker 2: So when we were talking about books for this month,

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Speaker 2: I forgot about this, but I had seen someone I think,

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Speaker 2: post it or talking about this book and her doing it,

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Speaker 2: and I was so excited. So when Annie reminded me, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is an optional, was like, oh, yes, immediately, Yes,

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Speaker 2: we need to do this one because I love good

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Speaker 2: adaptations anyway, and I do this was a good adaptation.

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Speaker 2: And before we start, let's do a quote from the

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Speaker 2: author about the original. Yes, as we all have to

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Speaker 2: give homage to thank you to the great literary figure

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Speaker 2: Jane Austen for writing and publishing Pride and Prejudice in

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Speaker 2: eighteen thirteen. Amidst everything that was happening in her world

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Speaker 2: at the time, Austin gifted us with a story about

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Speaker 2: not only love, but class, expectations and a woman's place

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Speaker 2: in the world, even as she a woman in nineteenth

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Speaker 2: century England, had the audacity to write, observe and speak

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Speaker 2: truth to power with such wit, humor and grace. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I have to keep telling. Like one of

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Speaker 2: my good guy friends we read this. We had a

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Speaker 2: small like three person book club, and this was I

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Speaker 2: think at the beginning of our book book club because

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Speaker 2: we had to talk about the fact that, yes, people

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Speaker 2: think of it as women's romance today and knowing that

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Speaker 2: in eighteen thirteen she was talking about being single and

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Speaker 2: daring to choose who to love and marry and really

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Speaker 2: like giving it back to society and having a conversation

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Speaker 2: about the fact that she could talk back and did

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Speaker 2: talk back to anyone and everyone, including you know, people

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Speaker 2: who were of royal heritage.

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Speaker 1: So it was really lovely.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that she was such an icon in

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Speaker 2: that level that she dare speak her opinions got to

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Speaker 1: So this book was genius, yes, and I believe I

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Speaker 1: saw today some I've seen it before, but like a

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Speaker 1: viral post where someone was like, just remember Jane Austen

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Speaker 1: was self published, and she also, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: fan fiction writers of her work. So it was a

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Speaker 1: very like consequential work. And this was a very fun

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Speaker 1: update of it, even though I haven't read the original,

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Speaker 1: so I got a different experience. But yeah, correct, I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm ready. But okay, I'm going to run

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Speaker 1: through the plot of this book real quick. So it

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Speaker 1: centers on Afro Latina teenager and proud Bushwick resident Zuri Benitez.

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Speaker 1: She grew up in an apartment with her parents and

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Speaker 1: attending historically black university, Howard University in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: So the novel begins with the family preparing for the

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Speaker 1: further stoking Zuri's concerns about gentrification and a rich black

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Speaker 1: The two black boys about Zeri's age are hot. There

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Speaker 1: And then Darius goes to speak with his brother Annsley,

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Speaker 1: from her very very nosy family. Very when you're going

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Speaker 1: what if she doesn't like it. So Janey purchases her

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Speaker 1: They argue about music. He tells her that he was

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Speaker 1: leads to another and they kiss. Zuri is feeling more

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Speaker 1: her around, They have some heart to hearts about judgment

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Speaker 1: saying that they'll be forever. She finishes her college essay

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Speaker 1: and that's about the end. Nicely done, thank you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so Samantha, Yes, tell me give me some comparison notes.

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Speaker 2: She did great. She followed along with it perfectly. Now

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Speaker 2: when it's a new rendition, I don't expect it to

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Speaker 2: be the same. If you're telling me you're taking a

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Speaker 2: movie from the book and then there's already an amazing movie,

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Speaker 2: and then you puck up the movie, I'm gonna be pissed.

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Speaker 2: AKA the version with care Knightley. Hate it, hate it

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Speaker 2: to this day, hate it always, but it's okay whatever,

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Speaker 2: But when you have new renditions. Now, I've never read that.

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Speaker 2: I think we had a long conversation when we were

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Speaker 2: talking about Pride Prejudice in general. I didn't read Pride

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Speaker 2: and Prejudice and Zombies. I was told that I should

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Speaker 2: read that. So I think we may have to do

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Speaker 2: like some features on both. Maybe we should do Pine

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Speaker 2: Prejuice and Zombies for like spooky season.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And then have another comparison, because essentially the friend of

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Speaker 2: mine who we read the books together, he was like, no,

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Speaker 2: you should read it.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy its goofy's good.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, and I think it turned

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Speaker 2: into a movie, but I'm scared of that anyway. But

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Speaker 2: for the comparison, yes, she of course had the dar

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Speaker 2: season there she asked, had the Bennetts, but the switching

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Speaker 2: That's when I've perfected my Bushwick mean mug.

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Speaker 1: like Howard? What if I don't you know? She because

431
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: of these moments where she had been so proud and

432
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: so protective and rightfully so, she had formed this like, well,

433
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: we can't mess that up. We can't break that up,

434
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: like what will that mean? And you know, she does

435
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: go to Howard and she loves it, but it's still

436
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of frightening. It's still like, well, then what will

437
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: happen if so long, I've kind of divined myself through this,

438
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: like protecting this. So I thought that was at a

439
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: great through line throughout. Here's another quote. He lets go

440
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: with me and shakes his head. I don't know yet,

441
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: but we'll find somewhere. This is what happens in life.

442
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: You take the good with the bad. This money is good,

443
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: us leaving is bad, or taking it because it's a blessing.

444
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: So this is what her father says when they have

445
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: to move out and she's so upset, which that whole

446
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I mean that moving is terrible. Moving is terrible in general,

447
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: if you're moving from a neighborhood that is so important

448
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: to you and that you have these strong neighborly connections

449
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: and thoughts about gentrification. And now you've got the guy

450
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: across the street, which, by the way, that happened to

451
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: me once when I was young, not like this. We

452
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: never worked out, but there was a hot guy that

453
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: moved across the street. I was like, Wow, maybe this

454
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: is my whole future. You had a fantasy about this, Huh?

455
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: I did?

456
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: He played? He would be outside playing basketball and I'd

457
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, that was nothing. So did

458
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: you have like it was really far?

459
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: I lived in the woods. I still live in the

460
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: woods technically, Like there's suburbs around me. But you can't

461
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: see each other. We're not We're not walking on the

462
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: street to go get sugar from each other because it's

463
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: like a two lane road in the woods with no lights.

464
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: Don't go there. Well, when I first moved to my place,

465
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: my home that I mostly grew up in, there was nothing.

466
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: It was like gravel road nothing, and I wouldn't say

467
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: it gentrified, but it got like much more crowded. The

468
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: roads got paved, and so this guy moving across the

469
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: street was pretty like late in my time having been there,

470
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: it was marked change. Pretty sure he was a jerk,

471
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: So I'm glad it didn't work out anyway in the story.

472
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: That's all you need. I'm pretty sure. But then again,

473
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: who knows. Given a story, I could have been being

474
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: judgmental where I shouldn't have been. You would have a prejudice,

475
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: that's right. Here's another quote I have always thought of

476
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Bushwick as home, But in that moment, I realized that

477
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: home is where the people I love are wherever that is?

478
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I just loved. Yeah, it's a good line.

479
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: And another one. This college is a lifeboat and a lifeline.

480
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: But my neighborhood is not flooding or splitting in half.

481
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: It's being cleaned up and wiped out. It's being polished

482
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: and a race. So where do I reach back and

483
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: pull out memories as if they've been safely tucked away

484
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: into a trunk or an attic like the people on

485
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: TV who have enough time and too much space. Where

486
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: do I call home? Where can I place a layer

487
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: of brick to use as my platform and hold my

488
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: head up high to raise my voice and my fist.

489
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: Sometimes love is not enough to keep a community together.

490
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: There needs to be something more tangible, like fair housing

491
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: opportunities and access to resources. Life Boats and lifelines are

492
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: not supposed to just be away for us to get out.

493
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: They should be ways to let us state and survive

494
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: and thrive.

495
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Well that was a great quot too, Yeah, of like

496
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: not using it to get out, but using it to stay. Also,

497
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: sisterhood is pretty important throughout this, she does have a

498
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: lot of sisters. Here's a quote. If Madrina's basement is

499
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: where the timboras, loso spiritos and old ancestral memories live,

500
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: then the roof is where wind chimes, dreams and possibilities

501
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: float with the stars, where Jenna and I share our

502
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: secrets and plan to travel all over the world, Haiti

503
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: and the Dominican Republic being our first stop. So yeah,

504
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: her and Janee have a really close bond. And again

505
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: I really did appreciate kind of the because I totally

506
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: get it too. And we've talked about this. When you

507
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: have a friend, a really close friend or sister who

508
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: is crushing really hard on someone, you have that fear

509
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: of like, oh okay, well relationship is going to change,

510
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna see you as much. But her and

511
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of moments where they are on this

512
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: roof and they just are talking about life and what

513
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: they want to do, their fears. Then later you find

514
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: out the Darcy's they have kind of an other rooftop

515
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: situation where they could see what was going on over there,

516
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: which I love because at one point there's a thrown

517
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: meatball that was funny. Yeah, that was because he broke

518
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: up with her. How rude. I mean, kay, that was

519
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: pretty bad. That was pretty bad, and their relationship was

520
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: so sweet. Yeah. How it goes again in the book

521
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: as well. I feel like I'm loving the name comparisons

522
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: to you because I don't know Bingsley and that's pretty.

523
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's just references Darcy Bingsley is references Bingsley

524
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: the entire time. You don't know their first name. There's

525
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: a Fitzgerald who is his cousin that has the sergeant

526
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: that comes into play. Uh yeah, and then even mister Bennett,

527
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: who is the father, is just known as mister Bennett.

528
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: And missus Bennett. So that's how we talk to about them.

529
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: We know about William Collins who is the cousin, and

530
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: then George Wickham. We do know that it's George Wickham,

531
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: but he goes by Wickham the entire time. So it's

532
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: kind of like the women we know Miss Elizabeth, uh,

533
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: miss Mary, who is Marisol, miss Lydia. So yeah, so

534
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: we have all of those characters as well, but it's

535
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: quite funny, but yeah, they're there. She keeps them pretty close.

536
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: In point mm hmmm. I'll have to pick your brain

537
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: about that. Later, I'm curious if the is it. Lydia

538
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: has the kind of same like sloppy yes, night out, Yes,

539
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: sort of.

540
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: She makes an embarrassment of herself and is flirting, and

541
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: then she runs away with him, so we don't see that.

542
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: So the comparison is like they yet they actually just

543
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: run away as where uh and then you find out

544
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: later and they're in compromising situations.

545
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: To me, they're just in a hotel together.

546
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: They don't find them in any real Oh maybe they do,

547
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: it's not the implication, but but yeah, but like essentially

548
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: is that. And then she comes back bragging about landing

549
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: a husband, essentially being the first girl to land a husband,

550
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: which is the big feet, and then being upset a

551
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: little bit that she didn't have a big wedding, and

552
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: everybody's like, because we got to get your married in

553
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: secret or we're all going to be like cast out

554
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: of society, which means none of us could get married.

555
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's.

556
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: A little different. The consequences you're much worse for Jane

557
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: Austin's book.

558
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Wow, this is I can't wait to check this out.

559
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: All right, I'm still devastating though, Oh absolutely absolutely, I'm

560
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: glad it worked out how it did in the book, right. Yes.

561
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Another theme I wanted to touch on is kind of

562
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the theme of education, Janee being the first in her

563
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: family to go to college, Zuri being so into reading

564
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: books and writing and poetry. And now I know that

565
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: was a theme in the original Jane Austen work, but

566
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that was something that she shared with her father.

567
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so like the reading, the love of reading,

568
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: so he and Jane Austen. Mister Bennett would say that

569
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: he had the young girls and they had heads among them,

570
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: but like that they were the silliest girls that they

571
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: have he had ever known, because they all battled about

572
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: Pratt toldy, I said it about men and boys and

573
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: that was it. And the only ones that he could

574
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: stand that had any good sense, as he would say,

575
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: was the two oldest. But Jane was too kind and

576
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was at least, you know, sarcastic, and he enjoyed that.

577
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: But we don't see that farrotism in the book, which

578
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: I do appreciate. But yeah, so here's the piece. Read

579
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: to travel. Papa always said, every book is a different hood,

580
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: a different country, a different world. Reading is how I

581
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: visit places in people and ideas, and when something rings

582
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: true or if I still have a question, I outline

583
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: it with a bright yellow highlighter so that it's lit

584
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: up in my mind like a light bulb or a

585
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: torch leading the way to somewhere new. It's usually enough

586
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: to make me forget I've barely left Bushwick.

587
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting because

588
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: there was this piece where Jane and Zuri's father were

589
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, it is great here, but

590
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: there are other things, and Zuri kind of being resistant

591
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: to it because again, she's really protective of this neighborhood.

592
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: She loves this neighborhood. She's afraid of how it will

593
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: change when she leaves. She's afraid of gentrification, rightfully so.

594
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: But her family is kind of like, well, go see,

595
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: just go see, there's other things, which again is like

596
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: that coming of age story of that. I feel like

597
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: that's really relatable. Another thing that is a big theme

598
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: in the book is class. This is definitely throughout her

599
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: interactions series interactions with the Darcy family. I particularly was

600
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: shocked with what happened with the grandmother when she met her,

601
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: because it kept implying like maybe it would go fine,

602
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: and then it really didn't.

603
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Fine, Okay, I was literally to you with thought the

604
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: same thing with that, with no perspective of pride and prejudice,

605
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: because I was waiting for it to get better thinking

606
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: that she was, especially when there was mentioned of Howard

607
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: maybe she wasn't an alumni and was gonna like really

608
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: get you know, get in with her for the Nope, Nope,

609
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: but it was no. So she she truly was the

610
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: aunto character who was judgmental and doesn't and kept bringing

611
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: up the other girl, Carrie Yes, which again that's not

612
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: like I guess. Carrie represented three characters and one from

613
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: the original, between the sickly daughter who she wanted Darcy

614
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: to end up with or the sisters who are mean.

615
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: Bingley's sisters who are mean to all of them just

616
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: kind of stood like Jane a little bit because Grandmother

617
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: really preferred Carrie, so like I was like, okay, Grandmother,

618
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: that's not a good guy.

619
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I really thought she was going to be better than this.

620
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: But I was wrong. Okay, cool cool cool Because even in.

621
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: The book, the aunt who is rooting for Darcy to

622
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: marry someone else for a while Elizabeth to the point

623
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: that she wants her to stick around. Uh, but then

624
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: she hates Elizabeth when she finds out that Darcy was

625
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: thinking about marrying her. So but yeah, so I was

626
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: not expecting. I was expecting to turn around too, just

627
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: because of the book, not necessarily because of the writing.

628
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: I was kind of expecting because Georgia seemed to be

629
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: such a genuine character, which yeah, which I get. Like

630
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: now that I've read it, I'm like, Okay, I don't

631
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call her naive, but I think she was

632
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: just like hopeful and it didn't go that way, right,

633
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: But she they because of her and Darius like less

634
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: or so, but they were both like, no, it'll be cool,

635
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: it'll be cool, right, And I kind of was trusting,

636
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't eat her astray, which maybe is just

637
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: another example of class where they just in their heads

638
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: it's not as big of a deal. Yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

639
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: I will say Carrie's character, even though she was a snob,

640
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: didn't end as bad as I thought it would. So

641
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, so bad. Yeah, she's not so bad.

642
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: She's jealous and I can see why she's jealous, but huh,

643
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: I was.

644
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I was kind of confused while she was around, but

645
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: I did like because she goes from like a very

646
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: jealous not nice at all too. I wouldn't say like nice.

647
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: But she did watch out for Zuri's sister. She did

648
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of except for why was she then? Why she

649
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: letting warn alone with him but her? But like okay,

650
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: but like she wasn't trying to mess anything up or

651
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: purposely trying to do anything bad. No, she was just

652
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: not happy with didn't She made it clear. So here's

653
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: a quote I wanted to read. So this is kind

654
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: of a a back and forth that happens between Zuri

655
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: and Darius. You know, Zuri, sometimes I'm baffled by how

656
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: judgmental you are. Darius is taking one hand off the

657
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: steering wheel. I side eyed him, baffled. I should be

658
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: the one who's baffled, and you, Darius Darcy are the

659
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: walking definition of judgmental. I'm not judgmental. I'm just an

660
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: excellent judge of character. You fall short in that department character.

661
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: So you judge my sister's character, Yes, I did, and

662
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: she's cool, he says. If you need some tips on

663
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: how to accurately judge a person's character, just let me

664
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: know who back and forth. Oh my, this is a

665
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: similar conversation in Yeah. That's a good because, like halfway through,

666
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: it's interesting when you're reading something from one person's point

667
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: of view and you're like yeah, yeah, And then halfway

668
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: through I was like, wait a minute, she's kind of

669
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: being judge you too, all right, And then I get it.

670
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: It totally makes sense why she is. But it's just

671
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: funny because I think it was like halfway in and

672
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, which, yes, kind of related. Another

673
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: big theme is reputation in this book. Here's a quote

674
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: I want to say the same thing that I don't

675
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: care about my reputation, but I do because they already

676
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: have one, all my sisters do. We have to be

677
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: careful about who we fall for, especially me and Jenay,

678
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: just because guys from around the way like us. Even

679
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: if we don't give them no play, it's still easy

680
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: for them to talk about us. Poppy is watching us,

681
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: but so is the rest of the neighborhood. And then later,

682
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: don't let your pride get in the way. I thought

683
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: this was interesting because I think it did a really

684
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: good job of examining reputation on a lot of levels,

685
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: like reputation in your neighborhood, like representing your neighborhood and

686
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: what you think that is, and then reputation and like

687
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: your family. There's just a lot of layers of reputation

688
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: that was looked at. I thought that was really good.

689
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: And then finally, this is kind of we've been talking

690
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: about all this stuff all along, but love and money,

691
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Love and money again. I did think the like hot

692
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: neighbor moving in that was really funny. The beginning where

693
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: all of the girls are like, let's go meet them.

694
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Here is a quote. And there are two ways to

695
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: examine the institution of marriage. Marisol begins in the whole

696
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: room size because she's about to spill out a series

697
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: of facts, numbers, and statistics that all have to do

698
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: with the things she loves most in the world. Money.

699
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: It can either mean that marriage is the false notion

700
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: that love is forever and a woman is left to

701
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: depend on her husband for financial support, or that two

702
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: incomes are better than one. Love is abstract, money is not.

703
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: And I thought like, even when I was reading this,

704
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this is such an interesting take on

705
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: what I bet happened in Jane Alston's version.

706
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: So in Jane Austen it is about religion. Oh and

707
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: she is very scholarly and does not care for frivolous

708
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: things Mary because she is also all about quotes and

709
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: books and but she does a lot of biblical and

710
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: when I say biblical, I'm gonna go like very attestant,

711
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: very uh learned book, you know, biblical level of that.

712
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: So she's very into religion in that term. She actually

713
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: has a crush on Colin, the cousin, and she was

714
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: the only one of all of them who wanted to

715
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: get married, but she was seen as dowdy.

716
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: I guess it's somewhat boring. I feel like there was

717
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: a character like that in Persuasions, wasn't there?

718
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: Yes, But she also like plays the piano in uh

719
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: Brian prejud and she doesn't play it well, but she

720
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: thinks she's amazing at it, and so she'll try to

721
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: perform and everybody's.

722
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Like, you're really wishing she would stop.

723
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: Essentially, so she's a scholarly one, I guess like but

724
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: just really boring, but always speaks up to tell facts

725
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: or like to correct a situation or something.

726
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: She's kind of the sad sack of the bunch. Ah.

727
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I see, I see, I just thought it was interesting

728
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: kind of this, like the breaking down of the love

729
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: and the money like.

730
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: She's but she kind of does that in every way,

731
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: like when she's talking about the fact that Lydia is

732
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: ruined and then she brings into back how we're all

733
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: ruined and she's done this, and of course we're gonna

734
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: be like they're like, can you stop.

735
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Hold on out. We get right, we get it, We're screwed.

736
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: Stop this. Oh how interesting. Yes, there's also a lot

737
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: of themes of jealousy throughout, which I thought I really

738
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: appreciated it in terms of, you know, in our modern

739
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: times with like the texting and he hasn't texted back,

740
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: or we're like, wait, what what does this mean? And

741
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: kind of like making Darius jealous with Warren like that

742
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of being in the back of Surrey's mind anyway,

743
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: So that was definitely present in their messy courtship, I

744
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: guess I'll call it, but definitely throughout. Also, yeah, the

745
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: pressure to find a man her family. I would say

746
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: like they wentn't and they would they kind of would

747
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: be like get a move on, But it was more

748
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: that they were like she wouldn't bring Warren to her

749
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: like stoop, Yeah, because she didn't want her whole family

750
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: to know it'll be real nosy. Yes. And then when

751
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: she was coming back with Darius in the car from Washington,

752
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: d C. She had to tell them and they were

753
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: very nosy and all the question right. Yeah.

754
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: So in the book, obviously the mother is all about

755
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: getting all the children off married and getting she's she's

756
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: also ridiculous of a character, very very made to be

757
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: that way.

758
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: But the way that the mother in.

759
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: This one, obviously she's much loved, more loving, and like

760
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: a little more fierce and independent and not so much

761
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: about that, but the whole like little smiling and trying

762
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: to get them together and trying to get them alone

763
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: and allow them to be alone was definitely like a

764
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: ploy also in the book, so like she does a

765
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: great job and represent I think she did a great

766
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: job in representing these characters but not making them look caricaturish,

767
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: unlike like even though Prian Prejudice was an old like

768
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 2: ridiculously big classic, it still made the characters look caricaturish

769
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: in a way that you were like, yeah, the mom's

770
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: if there was a villain, mom would not be a villain.

771
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: But she's the foil. Right, that makes sense.

772
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that that wasn't the case for this one,

773
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: because it's so over the top of you just.

774
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: Like, how much do you dislike your mother? Yeah? Well yeah,

775
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: and I feel like most of the characters were very likable,

776
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, and the ones you weren't supposed to like.

777
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I didn't really hate. I just was right. So I

778
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: liked that, and I did. We didn't really go into

779
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: it much, but I did like at the kind of

780
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: the clash of cultures at the cocktail party when the

781
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: mother shows up with all of those foods. Yeah, the

782
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: darcies are clear. You like catering essentially. Okay, if it

783
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: was a really it was a really enjoyable read. I think,

784
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, even for me who hasn't read it, I

785
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I've loved hearing the comparisons. I can't wait

786
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: to read the original. Yeah, I'm gonna make you read

787
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the regionnal soon. But yeah, it's a great stand alone

788
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: You don't need it is though. It is kind of

789
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: a homage to the Pride and Prejudice, and it is

790
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: a retailing.

791
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: It's It is a great stand alone book. It has

792
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: a lot of great quotes. The poetry is quite lovely

793
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: as well. I really did enjoy all of that. I

794
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: was like, this is good. Sometimes I wonder when people

795
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: write things like this, I'm like, did you do the

796
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: poetry first? And you're I'm gonna do a book with

797
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: this because I've thought about that. I'm like, you know,

798
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: sometimes because they are great stand alone poems as is

799
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: as well. So yes, book ten out of ten everybody

800
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: should read.

801
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: I love that. I thought it was great. Highly recommends,

802
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to maybe a pride Bridget is.

803
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna do a whole thing. You're gonna have

804
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: to watch the new book. I don't want to, but

805
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: the new one, and I'm gonna make you watch the

806
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: BBC series.

807
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: For doing it. I am into it. You don't have.

808
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: To again, like come back to Bridget Jones Diary as well,

809
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: because that is also a rendition of that.

810
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, did you not know that that? You didn't

811
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: know that girl? Okay? Yes, that's why Darcy is in there.

812
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: And his name is Wickham Publishing, which is Wickham.

813
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: Oh dear, I have a lot to learn.

814
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: The guy who plays Bingsley is a very like has

815
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: a minor character, like he has one line and he's

816
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: in there.

817
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: I was like, Bisley, what are you doing here? I

818
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: probably was just like, yeah, I had.

819
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: To give you all the like tidbits to that because

820
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: there's no way I want to let you go.

821
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you definitely told me about calling first,

822
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's no way I would to let you go.

823
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: On would like throw out be like this is this,

824
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: this is this, this is this, And it also starts

825
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: with the line is the truth universally acknowledged?

826
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: It starts with that line as well. Hmmm, well now

827
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: I know you know you're opening my world. We can

828
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: try this. I'm coming back, We're coming back the classics.

829
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Excited too, I think it'd be great. Well, this was

830
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: super fun. This was a great pick. Definitely checking out

831
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: listeners and I would love I really do want to

832
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: check out some of this author's other works. I think

833
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: that they sound fascinating. We have to, yeah, But in

834
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Speaker 1: the meantime, if you have any thoughts about this or

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