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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're down to three games

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Speaker 1: left to preview on the season two of them. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal. We're here in the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: It's me, it's Jordan rod Riege, it's Patrick Clayboy, and

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Speaker 1: we are Nobody's safety school. Patrick Patrick pointed out in

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Speaker 1: terms of the reporting surrounding Mike McDaniel just a few

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Speaker 1: minutes ago that it sounds like the Chargers OC job

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Speaker 1: is his safety school.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly what it sounds like, which opens up an

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Speaker 2: entire new apparatus where it's like, well, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I want this job. Yes, I will take this job,

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Speaker 2: but I might take another job, and so it makes

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Speaker 2: it makes the hiring cycle that.

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Speaker 1: Much Well, I didn't what, how is this even possible?

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Speaker 1: I was informed of this briefly right before we came

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Speaker 1: and started to tape today, because I just thought we

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Speaker 1: were going to talk about that the Chargers are planning

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Speaker 1: to hire Mike Daniel Quickley to start the show, and

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Speaker 1: we're not going to because the third line in the

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Speaker 1: article about him agreeing to sign is no deal has

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Speaker 1: been signed, as he's still a candidate for head coaching

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Speaker 1: jobs with the Ravens and the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Greg, you sound like you're disappointed by this.

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Speaker 1: It is funny.

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Speaker 2: I love that we have conditional guarantees in this league,

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Speaker 2: which is a sentence that doesn't make any sense to me,

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Speaker 2: So why not have this?

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Speaker 1: But we're just reporting things too early. We reported John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh as accepted the Giants job sixty hours before. He's

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Speaker 1: going crazy because the Giants are making him not want

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Speaker 1: to take the job.

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Speaker 4: He still took the job. We still signed the contract.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so in that case, but it was still premature.

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Speaker 4: The Raiders have a chance to the funniest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a good point. It makes me think, like,

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Speaker 1: would he take those head coaching jobs. We'll see, maybe

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Speaker 1: he would take the Ravens one and not the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: They should reach out to the people who are reporting

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Speaker 2: his conditional acceptance of this job to rank the jobs

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Speaker 2: that he would run conditionally.

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Speaker 1: The job the Browns are out. The Browns feel the

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Speaker 1: worst about this because he actually won't even conditionally consider

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Speaker 1: that job. He's not even shown up. I want to

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Speaker 1: move off, Mike quick. Daniel, we'll talk about it if

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Speaker 1: and when we know for sure it's happening, because you

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Speaker 1: know it's to the side.

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Speaker 4: Your dream is still alive.

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Speaker 5: Though to that point of McDaniel to the Ravens, it's

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Speaker 5: still very briefly like there's a tiny.

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Speaker 1: Little winn ouy. Yeah, they would you were trying to manifest.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to make that happen. He hasn't been

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Speaker 1: reported as going back for a second interview. They've had

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Speaker 1: a couple others, including Jesse Minter and Anthony Weaver, but

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Speaker 1: those are teams that are losers because there's only one

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Speaker 1: team that's a winner. There's thirty two teams every year.

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Speaker 1: One of them gets to be happy. Everyone else they're losers.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of takeaway that I took from the

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Speaker 1: Bills press conference on Thursday, which would er on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: which would be worth a whole podcast on its own,

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Speaker 1: but again we don't have time. This is the show

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Speaker 1: we preview the AFC in the NFC, but it's a

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Speaker 1: little different after each preview between you know, between the

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Speaker 1: three of us, we're gonna welcome in a special guest

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Speaker 1: with a little extra context for that matchup. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be my old friend Tom Curran from Comcast Sports New

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Speaker 1: England in Boston, who talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: Patriots in their journey, and then after Seahawks Rams a

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Speaker 1: little later, we're gonna talk to JJ Janssen. You might

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Speaker 1: have remembered him from a show with with Jordan in

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Speaker 1: the offseason. He's the long snapper of the Panthers. He's

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Speaker 1: Let's go in order and in order of I think

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Speaker 1: quality of game. I'm not, I'm gonna be right. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that the Patriots and the Broncos, whoever makes

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Speaker 6: Chip Watch already, well, I think all four teams were

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Speaker 6: able to activate the chips decisively, which is why this

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Speaker 6: is such a great weekend for football. To New England,

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Speaker 6: Patriots five and a half point favorites at the Denver

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Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about this ahead of time, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you started there. I think he is.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the biggest story. I mean, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not overdoing it.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's perfect.

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Speaker 3: We can do two hours off the city today.

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Speaker 1: It's never freaking happened. I mean, there is a case

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Speaker 1: But the stat I really loved about how bizarre this

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Speaker 1: the twenty twelve Viking. If you know, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think Jared Stidham has a much better chance to perform

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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, the Patriots are five and a half

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Speaker 5: Quarterbacks the way that the Broncos a lot of teams

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Speaker 5: do it this way, but the way that the Broncos

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Speaker 4: They have a real shot.

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Speaker 5: They have a much much greater shot than I think

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Speaker 2: The problem for me because I understand, I understand everything else.

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Speaker 2: I want to believe about the floor and I want

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Speaker 2: talk about the loot box that could be a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The what about the loot box that has turned up

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Speaker 2: to go to you know where Jared Stidham is going

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Speaker 1: I don't. What do you mean from I don't.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the release, I think there's I think

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think I disagree. I think there's a reason

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Speaker 1: not think that the graphic that Juwan Jennings. Remember a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago we brought out the graphic Juwan Jennings

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Speaker 1: We thought it was funny. Drew Christensen shout out to him,

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Speaker 1: who was number one? On this entire list. It was

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Speaker 1: Jared Stidham and his tape. I hate to say it

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Speaker 1: is electric, and of.

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Speaker 5: Course you don't hate to say it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hate to say it as a Patriots fan.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I just disagree with you in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know where it's gonna come. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: monster arm. He's got that all over bo Nicks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have a look on your face. Let's let's show

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Speaker 1: a clip actually of Jared Stidham throw it to Devanta

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Speaker 1: I thought'd be fun. I mean twenty twenty two, twenty two,

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Speaker 1: the fact that like the ceilings high because when I

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Speaker 1: him to do all that stuff. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: much more likely to make huge mistakes or else he

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Speaker 4: You there is some logic in what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: I also, you know, internally, I'm thinking, is Greg's lack

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Speaker 5: of esteem for bon Nicks dragging down that and.

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Speaker 4: And up Jared's his esteem for.

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Speaker 1: No, you just watch it. It's obvious that's why he was

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Speaker 1: number one on that list. No, he's just skills that.

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Speaker 2: This is an indictment of the people who made the list. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Like these recruiting recings are consistently wrong.

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Speaker 5: Sean Payton's preferred number two quarterback. That bear saying Sean

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Speaker 5: Payton went out and went after him hard to bring

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Speaker 5: It's also like you're just you're not going to get

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Speaker 1: Bonett of course, and but you just have the surprise

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Speaker 2: The forty nine ers backups were in the divisional round,

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Speaker 2: But in terms of all right, Jared, go out there

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Speaker 5: eleven different defenders for Next Gen had at least a

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Speaker 1: Right, I was gotta say, like, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm more excited to see it because

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Speaker 2: Don't think you can spend that much time and energy

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Speaker 1: You're way more confident in the Patriots. If that's the

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Speaker 5: They have to get into it, they have to have

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Speaker 1: for this Broncos defense to keep them in the game

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Speaker 1: and maybe win like a lower scoring, ugly game.

435
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Speaker 2: And that's the question, right, how aggressive are the Patriots

436
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 2: going to be considering that being aggressive both on offense

437
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: and defense maybe the recipe for losing the game. I

438
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: like playing into those strengths where I think this is

439
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: a pass rush much like the Texans pass rush in

440
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: the secondary that's going to be trying to create and

441
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: force these turnovers because they know they're probably going to

442
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: need them. And so I could see Drake May's legs

443
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: being a huge part of this game. If the edges

444
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: get too deep, if the corners are in man where

445
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: it's one guy to beat, Drake May gets twenty to

446
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: thirty yards, they make five or six of those plays,

447
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Speaker 2: that may be enough to win the game.

448
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Speaker 4: I think.

449
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Speaker 5: And I would say not to go all Galaxy brain

450
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 5: here with it, but I would say maybe you try

451
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 5: to bait that a little bit. If you're the Broncos defense,

452
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 5: maybe you try to bait the quarterback into kind of

453
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 5: rushing through the front of the cup, as they say,

454
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 5: when you're rushing around the pocket. Because when you have

455
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: a guy like Nick Bonito who's chasing quarterbacks down and

456
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 5: making these splash plays forcing turnovers very importantly, and you

457
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 5: have Drake May who yes has had issues with ball security,

458
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Speaker 5: with protecting the football. I do think that there's a

459
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Speaker 5: potential variance there that could be very very significant in

460
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Speaker 5: this game. And I wonder if you, if you try

461
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Speaker 5: it a couple of times, try to bait him into

462
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Speaker 5: rushing to see how how well he is protecting the

463
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Speaker 5: ball in those moments.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's fumbled six times in two weeks. It's

465
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a fiasco for him. And it's

466
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Speaker 1: unlike how he's been the rest of the season, which

467
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Speaker 1: is if he makes a big mistake, he very quickly

468
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: tends to kind of you almost can see it. It's like, Okay,

469
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to school and I'm not going

470
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Speaker 1: to make that mistake again the next week that we've

471
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Speaker 1: worked on it, and the fact that that the Texans

472
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: game and that the weather was a factor and Obviously

473
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Speaker 1: the pass rush was a factor in a couple of them,

474
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Speaker 1: but a couple other times, you know, I think him

475
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: holding onto the ball and running a little loosely was

476
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: a bigger factor. The fact that he didn't kind of

477
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Speaker 1: take that lesson of ball security away from the first

478
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: playoff game is really concerning. And that's why, like, the

479
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: run game, to me, is so important. I think you're

480
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: right about the scramble because you think about Josh Allen

481
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Speaker 1: and I went back to watch like last week, and

482
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Speaker 1: like they're hitting him with those zone runs. And one

483
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Speaker 1: of the reasons the Bills didn't end up winning is

484
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Speaker 1: I think they they fell behind enough where they had

485
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Speaker 1: to go away from the run, not completely. The Broncos

486
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Speaker 1: never really got James Cook in the running game under control.

487
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Speaker 1: They didn't, and a lot of it was these zone

488
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Speaker 1: runs where they take advantage of Zach Allen, you know,

489
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Speaker 1: going upfield and the rushers going up field, and they

490
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Speaker 1: had huge holes in terms of their running game. And

491
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Speaker 1: so Remandre is not Sames Cook, but maybe Travon Henderson

492
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: can pop a big one. And the Patriots, I think

493
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: all talked about how much they loved that one drive

494
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Speaker 1: at the end of the Texans game where they got

495
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: the ball deep in their end zone and they ran

496
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Speaker 1: four straight first downs almost all over the side of

497
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Speaker 1: Morgan Moses and mic O nu And I think like,

498
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Speaker 1: if they can do that, that would be the same

499
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: side of the field that the Bills was running against

500
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Speaker 1: last week. Like that to me is calms everything down

501
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: so that Drake may isn't in all these third and

502
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: longs last week. You know, they were in third and nine.

503
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: They averaged nine point seven yards on third down for

504
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: most of the games. So it's like, yeah, that's when

505
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: turnovers happened, and so they need to avoid that because

506
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't run for most of the game last week.

507
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Speaker 5: I love that point because we've talked since the preseason

508
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 5: really about there's there was gonna be a lot of

509
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 5: work to do for Travon Henderson in terms of just

510
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 5: it's really tough for a young running back in the

511
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 5: first place. And then you know, we had heard really

512
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 5: positive commentary about his past, we didn't actually really see

513
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 5: it until late in the season. One of the most

514
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 5: gorgeous plays he's made, by the way in this his

515
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 5: rookie season, not an explosive play, but a blitz pick

516
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 5: up last week. This good cause this is a potential

517
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: for him because of what we know about him to

518
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 5: be true versus some of the other backs on that

519
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 5: roster is that he is a home run hitter. He's

520
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: not a guy that's going to rip you off a

521
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 5: bunch of doubles or triples. He is a home run

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 5: hitter player. And so if he has the right zone,

523
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 5: the right crease, and there's a vulnerability there, there is

524
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 5: a potential that the Broncos defense that is among the

525
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: best in the league at limiting explosive plays and absolutely

526
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 5: truncates most teams down in the run game, they are

527
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: still susceptible to that based on what James Cook was

528
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 5: able to do.

529
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Speaker 2: The lowest success rate allowed in terms of at least

530
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Speaker 2: in terms of success rate, which I know, guy, you're

531
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: a fan of now I am. The Jags had the

532
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: advantage of them total run defense, but this Broncos defense

533
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: thirty five percent success rate on the ball against them.

534
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Speaker 1: They are a very hard team to run against. Despite

535
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Speaker 1: what we saw last week from the Bills, there have

536
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: been the games that pop up. They really are a

537
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: team that beat up badly on bad opponents, and like

538
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: I mentioned, those those five to eight games where they

539
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of let teams go up and down the field.

540
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Speaker 1: They haven't. They're an interesting defense. They're a very good defense,

541
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Speaker 1: but they're eighth right now and waited dvoa on defense.

542
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: That sounds about right to me. Like that that you

543
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: know that the Rams are ahead of them, that the

544
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Patriots are pretty pretty close. That they're a defense that

545
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: has such clear strengths, and that's where the Patriots can

546
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: lose this game. Like Benito and Cooper and Allen and

547
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: Franklin Myers who have somehow all had at least what

548
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: seven sacks for two straight seasons, Like that's an outrageous

549
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: combination going up against you know, Will Campbell is coming

550
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: off the two worst games of his career. Jared Wilson

551
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: is a rookie. Garrett Bradberry's not given me up a

552
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: lot of confidence. I actually feel pretty good about the

553
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: right side of the Patriots line. But uh, like that

554
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: that could be where they get you, because even against

555
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: the best, you know, offensive lines, they can just dominate.

556
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and vance Joseph.

557
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 5: You know, there are times when we've seen him really

558
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: like the five man fronts, and then you know it's

559
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 5: just mathematical, you can load up three plus two over

560
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 5: on the over on that left side, and that's spells

561
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 5: uh worst case scenario I think for that side of

562
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: the Patriots offensive line, and inclusive to the center, who

563
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 5: is gonna have to help Drake may understand and diagnose

564
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 5: what he's seeing because I don't know.

565
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: There's something about this group.

566
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Speaker 5: You you've touched on it a couple times, like eye

567
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 5: test and film like, not as dominant as we saw

568
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 5: last season, but they, to me, this is a we

569
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 5: know exactly when to turn it on type of defense,

570
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 5: and that is a championship caliber defense if you saw

571
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: it in the with the twenty twenty one rams for example,

572
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 5: with an Aaron Donald with a Von Miller, like not

573
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 5: totally through some of that season, really showing up in

574
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: full strength, but in these key moments to make a

575
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 5: splash play, that's when they're setting up their own shots

576
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 5: like a run stop on second down, are third down

577
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 5: leading to the sack on fourth down, and some of

578
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: the pass rush. Like they this is a really veteran

579
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 5: group that understands like how heavily to turn it on

580
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 5: and how to turn it on in a moment like this.

581
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like you can as easily see Hufunga being

582
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: a problem in a couple big plays for the Patriots

583
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: as you could see him forcing a couple of turnovers,

584
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: like he is a boomer Bus guy. You do you

585
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: think it's Patrick Certan traveling with Stefan Diggs.

586
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: No, I think between Digs and Booty, it's going to

587
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: be Sertan over on the right side. Riley Moss and

588
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: the officials are going to have their particular opportunities. Where

589
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: I think this game hinges is Hufanga and the Broncos

590
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: back like the back part of the of the linebacker corps.

591
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I'm blanking on my favorite Broncos.

592
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: Linebacker, Singleton, Alex Singleton.

593
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Alex Singleton, where Hunter Henry was so good on play

594
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: action passes all season, you kind of have to throw

595
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: the Texans game out because, like Hunter Henry was just

596
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: not involved in the proceedings a lot there. Because the

597
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Texans defense presented such a unique problem there. I think

598
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: run game play action. I know it's tough to have

599
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Drake may take his medicine against this, but it's like

600
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: I see nothing but a very boring Patriots offense doing

601
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: just what it needs, yeah to make this.

602
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. I think it'll be interesting. I

603
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: think the Broncos have a real good chance to win

604
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: this game because I can just see the gate afterwards,

605
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: like the defense like being the story, that's his defense,

606
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: it's been around for three years, really veteran, and that

607
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: they're like this, this is their moment Drake May. Last week,

608
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: their plan against the Texans makes me wonder though, if

609
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: they'll go the opposite wa. I think they were ultra aggressive,

610
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: almost because they didn't respect the Texans offense, and I

611
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: think actually was a smart approach because they had so

612
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: many disastrous drives, yet they were really kind of going

613
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: for home runs and they hit like three of them,

614
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: which is as much as an offense has scored against

615
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: the Texans literally all year. Is three touchdowns. And Drake

616
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Speaker 1: May when they went man last week and this is

617
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: a great man team Houston, he was eight for twelve

618
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: for one hundred and six yards and three touchdowns, had

619
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: his scrambles. The Broncos are one of the highest man

620
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: coverage rate teams in the league, I think their second,

621
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: and so I think they're gonna take their shots because

622
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: that's just as you like to say, that's what Drake

623
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: May likes to do is go get buckets. He's got

624
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: to go down swing and maybe they'll think, like if

625
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: we you know, if we have some three and outs

626
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: and whatnot, like they're not gonna score a million points

627
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: with Stidham.

628
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think if you're gonna go man against

629
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Speaker 5: Drake May, your pressure better get there. And even the

630
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: heaviest man teams are still zoning defenses for the most part.

631
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: To you could still make things cloudy and pick your

632
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: spots to maybe press a little bit tighter. But this

633
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 5: is one of those where getting him to turn the

634
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 5: ball over is like written on the whiteboard in every

635
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: single defensive meeting room, the entire everything, every you know,

636
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 5: the most important thing, you know, We've said it all

637
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: year is Drake May.

638
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: He is the most important thing.

639
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: Two years now, two years now, He's the only thing

640
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: that most still.

641
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Matters this game.

642
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: Matter in the Broncos building.

643
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: The only thing that matters is getting him the fritz

644
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: out and turn the ball over, as he has been

645
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 5: in big fits and spurts this season.

646
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, any and he keeps swinging. If he can get

647
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: through this game, he'll do a few things that are unique.

648
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: He'll be it'll be the second youngest quarterback to ever

649
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl, Dan Marino being the youngest. I

650
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: was like, wasn't it Roethlisberger? But Roethlisberger was like ten

651
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: months older or something like.

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Speaker 4: It was never young.

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Speaker 1: Let's be he was. He was something like ten ten

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Speaker 1: years older or ten months older than May would be.

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Speaker 1: He'd also be the first Patriots quarterback to win Denver

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. They're zero to four. There was that

657
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Speaker 1: that Jake Plumber game which ended the three peat bid,

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Speaker 1: where he got a big, big victory and then a

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Speaker 1: couple Peyton Manning wins, including the last time the Broncos

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Speaker 1: were in the AFC Championship, the game where he came

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Speaker 1: up a two point conversion short to Rob Gronkowski. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Ye yes, where's Jake Plumber right now? These days?

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Speaker 1: He's doing I don't know, Arizona.

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Speaker 4: No, he is in Colorado running a mushroom farm.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, congratulations to Jake Plumber, all trying to ease

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Speaker 6: people's pain.

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Speaker 2: I want to shout out our resource department. There have

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Speaker 2: been ninety two quarterbacks, twenty six wide receivers, eleven punters,

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Speaker 2: seven running backs, three tight ends, one defensive back and

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Speaker 2: one kicker who have attempted to pass since the last

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Speaker 2: time Jared.

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Speaker 1: Stid absolutely outrageous justice for the preseason.

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Speaker 4: Put his recruiting stats up again.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a break and we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Tom Curran a little bit about

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Speaker 1: these Patriots back in a minute, back on NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: and welcoming in a man who has covered the Patriots

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Speaker 1: for a long long time and a man who has

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Speaker 1: impacted my career in a very positive manner. Tom Curran

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Speaker 1: over at Comcast NBC in Boston. He's got the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Talk podcast. It's rising the charts. Business is booming in

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Speaker 1: New England. And yes, Tom, you showed me around my

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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl. I ever went to the first Patriots

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Speaker 1: Giants Super Bowl for an outfit called nbcsports dot Com,

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Speaker 1: which no longer exists.

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Speaker 7: What's Up Everybody?

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Speaker 1: That was the you start every show. What's Up Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for clicking. I'm Tom Curran. Uh, and you actually

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Speaker 1: introduced me to the term honking, which I've stolen from you.

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Speaker 1: And Uh, it's it's still a big part of my lexicon.

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Speaker 1: Sou For all that you do, Tom, I applaud you.

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Speaker 1: What has it been like covering Mike Rabel coming back

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Speaker 1: as a player, I mean as a coach after after

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Speaker 1: cover him as a player all those days ago.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting, it's it is. It's interesting because

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Speaker 7: you cover him as a player and you're more not

698
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Speaker 7: a here to shouldn't I need him when you need him?

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Speaker 7: And he and I had a good relationship. Then there

700
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Speaker 7: was an awful lot of ball bust and that went

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Speaker 7: on back then. Every question posed he was always would sit. Now,

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Speaker 7: so there were times you'd go to with locker and

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Speaker 7: you'd get questions answered. There were times you'd go to

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Speaker 7: with Locker and just you know, grab us around. But

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Speaker 7: now covering him as a coach, she's still hardwired to

706
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Speaker 7: whatever you're asking him. It's kind of wow. So it's

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Speaker 7: a different relationship. But he's been an unbelievable asset, and

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Speaker 7: I think it really starts with him. When you look

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Speaker 7: at these teams. That starts. And I'm looking at the

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Speaker 7: great turnarounds this week, the eighty one Niners, the two

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Speaker 7: thousand and one Patriots, I believe it was the Colts

712
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Speaker 7: in ninety eight they went thirteen to three. It's another

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Speaker 7: team in there too that I'm forgetting, which I shouldn't

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Speaker 7: be forgetting because it's one of the great ones. Oh,

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Speaker 7: the Rams ninety nine, A lot of them had to

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Speaker 7: do with a coach, quarterback comba and in the instances

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Speaker 7: that it did, that coach, whether it be Dick for

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Speaker 7: Meal or Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh, really carried the

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Speaker 7: message and the imprint in those first years. Now they

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Speaker 7: had unbelievable quarterbacks Warner and Manning and Montana and Brady,

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Speaker 7: those guys are elevated, but early on it is the

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Speaker 7: coach the coach, the coach, and the cultural rebuilds and.

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Speaker 2: A part of building the culture and the team is

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Speaker 2: at least from my point of view, in trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out how they to explain how all of this happened,

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Speaker 2: Tom is being able to assign the credit of who

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Speaker 2: is taking part in making what decisions and how those

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Speaker 2: decisions get made. And I wonder in the transition from

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Speaker 2: the era where you were in week five, six and seven,

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Speaker 2: and it was difficult for you folks in Foxborough or

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Speaker 2: US here nationally to determine who was calling defensive plays

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots to an area where the coach is

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Speaker 2: so much more willing to be open about certain aspects.

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Speaker 2: But it's still kind of difficult to figure out where

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Speaker 2: the Wolf portion of the roster construction, where the verbal

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Speaker 2: portion of roster construction. Is it easier nowadays or harder

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Speaker 2: to figure out where that decision making is made in

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Speaker 2: terms of ilitant and this roster that's been able to

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Speaker 2: be a part of this curtain round?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's harder. I mean because you know, when when

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Speaker 7: Elliot Wolf was retained, and I wasn't necessarily that he

742
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Speaker 7: would be, because he was part of some absolutely disastrous,

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Speaker 7: horrendous decisions. Really since he rose to the level of

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00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 7: being a collaborator with Bill now, Bill usually got everything,

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Speaker 7: you know, dropped at his feet. But in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 7: the Patriots had a good draft. They got mac Jones

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Speaker 7: and Christian Barmore and then they they got christ Gonzales,

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Speaker 7: but there was just a litany of first and second

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Speaker 7: round picks who didn't work out. And then after Bill left,

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Speaker 7: the last year's draft was horrible. The free agent class

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Speaker 7: was nothing to write home about. This year had been

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Speaker 7: with the additional rancout and Mike and Elliott Wolf more

753
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Speaker 7: or less say look, I'm going to serve Mike. I'm

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Speaker 7: the general manager, but what he wants is what I'll provide.

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Speaker 7: He's provided them with an incredible one of the all

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Speaker 7: time great in terms of contributions free agent classes. You

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Speaker 7: look at four fits of the offensive line. So I

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Speaker 7: to answer your question, I don't know who pulled the

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Speaker 7: trigger on Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury and ultimately Jared

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Speaker 7: Wilson who was responsible for those things. Mike's not doing

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Speaker 7: all the scouting on Jared Wilson, a lot on Will Campbell.

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Speaker 7: I would think who decided Mac Hollins. It's been a collaboration.

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Speaker 7: Mac Collins was with Josh McDaniels. Carlton Davis was with

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Speaker 7: Terrell Williams, the defensive coordinator who's been laid low by

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Speaker 7: illness throughout the season. But all of these little links

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Speaker 7: helped to bring people in. So it's really been a collaboration.

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Speaker 7: And I think the Mike bringing in a staff that

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Speaker 7: included Marone on the offensive line as a former head coach,

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Speaker 7: really close with Brabel, who you know. Meanwhile, having Josh

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Speaker 7: McDaniels the offensive coordinator, giving him the latitude to run

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Speaker 7: the offense. I mean, when you really come up to it.

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Speaker 7: It's unfortunate that McDaniels has those two failed coaching stints

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Speaker 7: because he could arguably be the greatest officer coordinator in

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Speaker 7: the history of the league. He certainly has the greatest

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Speaker 7: resume when you look at the number of games that

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Speaker 7: he's coached in the prolific nature of the offense and

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Speaker 7: the way he's changed it. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of credit to dice up, but I

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Speaker 7: think Frabele should get the lion's share here. In twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five.

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Speaker 1: We talked, you know, you talk about McDaniels, and so

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask because he brought Jared Stidham

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Speaker 1: with him to Vegas that he traded for jarededs Didham.

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Speaker 1: We talked at length about Stidham earlier, just our view

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Speaker 1: of him. But you are a rare person that watched

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Speaker 1: Jared Stidham practice in training camp for what three seasons

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Speaker 1: and and and got a better feel of him. Obviously

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Speaker 1: didn't play a lot for the Patriots. Like what did

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Speaker 1: you think of Stidham back back then? Like how are

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Speaker 1: you taking that forward? I know it's been a minute,

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Speaker 1: but what was he Like, what did you think of

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Speaker 1: him back then.

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Speaker 7: No, it's he's got a weapon. I mean he can

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Speaker 7: really really throw. And that was what was said about

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Speaker 7: him when he was coming out of colleges. If you

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Speaker 7: put everybody in shorts and T shirts and just said

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Speaker 7: throw the football, Jarrett did him jumps off the page.

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Speaker 7: His arm talent is next level. So you have an

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Speaker 7: opportunity when you are a backup quarterback or a team

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Speaker 7: facing a backup quarterback, you might get somebody who is

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Speaker 7: a stand in and you know he can't play, and

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Speaker 7: we've seen him over the years. I don't need to

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Speaker 7: smirch the names of all the backups we've seen who

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Speaker 7: just had no shot. You might get a backup who's

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Speaker 7: like a Jacobi Presat or Josh Dobbs. I would say

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Speaker 7: that Jarrett's did him is the least preferable option of

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Speaker 7: a backup quarterback that you would want to deal with

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Speaker 7: because he can get hot. And that's what he would

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Speaker 7: do during training camp practices. He'd sit there and go, oh, rap,

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Speaker 7: nice throw. That's another nice throw, and then go pick pick,

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Speaker 7: ridiculous throw pick, and you're like okay. So that was

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Speaker 7: really in twenty twenty when he had the opportunity to

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Speaker 7: beat out Cam Newton. The Patriots decided with Boyer, Stidham,

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Speaker 7: and Newton on their roster. It was just Hoyer and

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Speaker 7: Steadham after Brady, and then at the end of June,

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Speaker 7: Bill said, you know what, Kim Newton's still sitting there.

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Speaker 7: He's a former MVP. Should we bring him in. Brought

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Speaker 7: him in. Stidham missed some time during that training camp

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Speaker 7: early on with a hip slash knee situation, and Kim

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Speaker 7: just took the job, flat took it, which you know,

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Speaker 7: I thought that Stidham really just I thought it was

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Speaker 7: going to be more competitive. It was not, and then

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Speaker 7: soon there after he was gone. But the arm talent.

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Speaker 7: I was talking to Michael Winner, who played with Stidham

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Speaker 7: during that period of time, said, you know, it's he's

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Speaker 7: got moxie and that's what you don't want to deal with.

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Speaker 7: An offensive line that note williamstead in the locker room

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Speaker 7: just a few minutes ago, is the best offensive line

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Speaker 7: they will see. A head coach in Sean Payton who

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Speaker 7: understands how to get a quarterback ready for a game,

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Speaker 7: and then a guy who has a lot of talent.

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Speaker 7: So it's not a I still understand why the Patriots

833
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 7: are favored, and they ought to be because it's a

834
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Speaker 7: backup quarterback, but it is not going to be. I

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Speaker 7: don't think Jared Stidham's going to be confused by the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, I think he's dangerous and I made

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Speaker 1: the case for that earlier. I am curious, you know,

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Speaker 1: I am a regular listener to the Patriots Dog podcast.

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Speaker 1: You and you and the Senator do a great job.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about dinks. Uh that Rabel's

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00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: gotten rid of the dinks on the on the roster,

842
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: which is another Tom current colloquialism that I like. But

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Speaker 1: the one bone I have to pick for you, Tom

844
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Speaker 1: is you kind of made your name back in the

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Speaker 1: day by planting your flag on Mount tom Brady before

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Speaker 1: anyone else. You were writing in the paper, this guy

847
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: needs to be the guy. It's not gonna be bledsoe, bledsoe.

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Speaker 1: You called them a hood ornament, that his contract was

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Speaker 1: a hood ornament. And this is at a time before

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Speaker 1: anyone was making this case early on, and I think

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Speaker 1: it I think it helped your career out. It must

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Speaker 1: have helped your relationship with Tom Brady out for a

853
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Speaker 1: while now we get to the Drake May era, and

854
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Speaker 1: it feels like you were a little slow to warm

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00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: up to the fact that this guy could be a

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00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: capital d Like, dude, what about him this year and

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Speaker 1: just in his development has kind of taken you by surprise.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, when the Patriots were so bad in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, I could not watch the ineptitude on

860
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 7: the offensive line anymore. I was sick of looking at it.

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Speaker 7: You can't even begin to start a team, I thought,

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Speaker 7: without having the ability to protect a quarterback. So my

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Speaker 7: thought was, look, you got the opportunity here at number three.

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Speaker 7: You can trade down, You can get yourself a tackle,

865
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Speaker 7: you can get yourself a JJ McCarthy, a bow Nix

866
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 7: of Michael Pennix's quarterbacks there. But if you're going to

867
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 7: try and walk out with a straight face and put

868
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 7: a project quarterback, which may in many people's minds, was

869
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 7: kind of The talent was unquestioned, but the fundamentals, the

870
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 7: ability to improve those fundamentals, his accuracy, those were all

871
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 7: issues at North Carolina. So I said, why don't you

872
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 7: kill two birds with one stone, trade down, JJ McCarthy,

873
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 7: take a tackle. What May has done though, and it

874
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 7: isn't just this year what May did. Alex van Pel

875
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 7: came in last April or May and started working with

876
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 7: May and stripped him back down to zero in terms

877
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 7: of how he wanted him to play the position, how

878
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: he wanted him to throw. May was vastly different. By

879
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 7: the end of training camp in twenty twenty four. He

880
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 7: looked robotic during mini camp. By the time he came back,

881
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 7: he was really smooth and really accurate. So I was

882
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 7: slow in terms of okay, well, his fundamentals just clicked

883
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 7: like that. Now, how will his decision making be Because

884
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 7: toward the end of twenty twenty four when he was

885
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 7: in there, there were occasions when he would get a

886
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 7: little bit to wild with the ball in terms of situations,

887
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 7: and he would have picks. At the beginning of the season.

888
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 7: Excuse me, during training camp he was doing that a

889
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 7: little bit too. He went for a long term with

890
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 7: no picks, and then they had in stadium scrimmage and

891
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 7: he threw picks at the beginning and picks at the end.

892
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 7: And then they had a preseason game and he had

893
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 7: a strip sack, embarrassing looking thing, that was no reason

894
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 7: for it. And then at the beginning of this year,

895
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 7: same thing. Week one against Oakland, he has a picket

896
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 7: coming out a halftime when they had the lead. They

897
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 7: lose that game. They have a game against Pittsburgh, they

898
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 7: have five turnovers. May get strip sacked, make some bad decisions.

899
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 7: So I'm like, Okay, well this is gonna take some time.

900
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 7: And he's clearly an improving player. How he has flipped

901
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 7: guys from that guy to this guy, who is one

902
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 7: of the most remarkable arcs of improvement I've ever seen.

903
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 7: Brady didn't improve like that. I mean, Brady was really smart,

904
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 7: took good care of the ball. He didn't have all

905
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 7: these other abilities that May has to tap into. So

906
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 7: Brady was just incredibly accurate, incredibly organized, incredibly competitive. May

907
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 7: has so many skills, and he harnessed them and fixed

908
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 7: things so quickly. It's it's really it's remarkable. So yeah,

909
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 7: I thought it was going to take a lot longer.

910
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 7: I didn't think he was going to be an outright stiff.

911
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 7: I thought he would be an upper tier quarterback, a

912
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 7: top ten quarterback. But now by this time next year,

913
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 7: excuse by August of next year, we're going to be

914
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 7: with this year, We're gonna be talking about what was

915
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 7: Drake made the best quarterback in football?

916
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: And that's.

917
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, I think I think you're right out.

918
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the next couple weeks, hopefully for the Patriots

919
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: three weeks, well we'll have something to.

920
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: Say about that.

921
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that's definitely the conversation for us to have.

922
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: But you know, on the pod, Tom, you're giving Drake

923
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: an f in ball security, and we saw, we saw

924
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: them all come out. Uh and we just saw the

925
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: for the folks watching on YouTube, a full couple of

926
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: minute highlight package of Drake May. There are only four

927
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: plays in that highlight package where the ball wasn't an

928
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: immediate risk.

929
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: But also there's all of.

930
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: These I'm only counting four because two of them were

931
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: against the Jets, and to get highlights against the twenty

932
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: twenty five Jets, we're just not going to count at

933
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: this point. Tom, I'm sure you're on the same page

934
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: with that. But to get those highlights, you also get

935
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: the ball being put in risk. And I wonder at

936
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: what point are you comfortable trading those big plays, especially

937
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, for the quarterback who, to his credit,

938
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: is able to make those plays, but he doesn't have

939
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: that spatial awareness, and nobody does out of eight billion

940
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: people on the planet that Tom Brady did in knowing

941
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: when to be able to take those shots when the

942
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: pressure's coming. Drake May's out there trying to get buckets.

943
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: How much do you think Josh McDaniels has to pull

944
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: him back from trying to acquire those buckets.

945
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: I think it's time score game situation. What are you behind?

946
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 7: Do you need a play? Is it first down or

947
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 7: is it third down? You know these first down mistakes

948
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 7: that quarterbacks sometimes make. It's mind knowing you don't need

949
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 7: to try and stand there and haunt a big play.

950
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: And if you look at the mistakes or not the mistakes.

951
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: I mean May with stripsack last week. Anybody would have

952
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 7: lost the ball when they had their arm pulled as

953
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 7: he did by Will Anderson. It's the fact that he

954
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 7: looks like he's throwing a freaking javelin. It's clear he's

955
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 7: thinking he's got more time than he does. He's going

956
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 7: against one of the best pass rushers in the league.

957
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 7: You might not have the opportunity to javel in the ball,

958
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 7: So he's going to get better at that. I think

959
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 7: more disturbing was the ball security on the sneak. I mean,

960
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 7: not the sneak, the scramble where it got punched out

961
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 7: on the way down. But these guys are so good

962
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 7: and people here, you know, we have a show that

963
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 7: we do every night on NBC Sports Boston, and they're like,

964
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 7: wells Grake may been figured out the last two weeks

965
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: by these defenses. I'm just no, the defenses are better.

966
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 7: They make guys look bad. They He's not been figured out.

967
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 7: He's not coming back to Earth. It's like going from

968
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 7: seeing the Jets and the Dolphins at the end of

969
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 7: the year, or the Giants, and again those teams have

970
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 7: good players, but seeing those games in which he had

971
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty five passer rating, those are seventy

972
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 7: five mile one hour VP pitchers. This is ninety with

973
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 7: a fleet of pitches hitting on the black. So it's

974
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 7: it's gonna be harder for a guy to go three

975
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 7: for four.

976
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like it's why in general, playoff quarterback

977
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: numbers go down because you're played, Yeah, you're playing better teams.

978
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: And why Patriots fans got too upset about the whole

979
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: schedule thing. It wasn't that he's not playing at a

980
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: high level. Like Matthew Stafford's numbers are all down. Everyone's

981
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: numbers are down. By the way, the entire league of

982
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks completion percentage in the playoffs right now is under

983
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: sixty percent. It's whether it's great defenses. They'll have to

984
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: go through a gatlet you're about to go talk to

985
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: that man, Drake May. So we got to let you

986
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: go do your actual job, Tom Currn. But look, I

987
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: was just getting it. I was getting I was gonna say.

988
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, I could count on

989
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: seeing you for a full week at the super Bowl

990
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: almost every every other year or so. So you know,

991
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: for my own self interest, I hope to see in

992
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: San Francisco in a couple of weeks.

993
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 7: You will see me in San Francisco. It was a pleasure.

994
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on today, guys, all.

995
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: Right, see it, Tom. That was a great Tom Curran.

996
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: And yes he would always I just like took took

997
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: little words from Tom. I just like the way that

998
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: that that he speaks. But he was always talking about

999
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, people are honking too much at me, and

1000
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: that's that's where honk it comes from.

1001
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: And and that's the beautiful thing about language.

1002
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: We take well what we can for people we appreciate

1003
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: and respect, and we apply it and it goes on,

1004
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: it goes forth, it changes and grows.

1005
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: And we love it.

1006
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: I tried to. I tried to make Chowderhead more of

1007
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: a thing that was like another tom one that kind

1008
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: of led, that kind of was left in in Massachusetts.

1009
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: I guess it seems York.

1010
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: It does. But just like a you know, if someone's

1011
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: an idiots, he's ahead. All right, let's take a break.

1012
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: We're going to be back on the other side. We

1013
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: got a whole conference to preview, and some, if they

1014
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: were being disrespectful, could even call this kind of the

1015
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: real Super Bowl rams Seahawks winner, our favorites for the championship.

1016
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: That that's a safe statement disrespect. Back on NFL Daily,

1017
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the game we've been leading to all season long, the

1018
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: third in a trilogy, rams Seahawks. Will this game Patrick

1019
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: be as good as the third Star Wars?

1020
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: See?

1021
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Look, I know I know about your interest to No,

1022
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: you're into Star Trek.

1023
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: No, I I can say multitudes. You know, I'm glad

1024
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: you're with me. You were rocking with us back.

1025
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: Then, so I understand.

1026
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: Bring it back around.

1027
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Los Angeles Rams are a very good football team.

1028
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if we are comparing any of these

1029
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: to the second rendition of the Galactic Rebellion against the Empire,

1030
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: but we do have a chance to see the third rendition.

1031
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: Of this game.

1032
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: Two points separating these teams from two solid games one

1033
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: a rock fight, want to score fest Sean McVay, after

1034
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: getting coached up by Jordan roberdrieg on the road at

1035
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, who are a two and a half

1036
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: point favorite, were under his forty six and a half.

1037
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: It's Kevin, it's Tom, it's Aaron, it's the other Tom

1038
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: on the call.

1039
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: Does he take what you provided, Jordan and use that

1040
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: to power his way back to another Super Bowl?

1041
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: Run the ball?

1042
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: Sean?

1043
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 5: Also, this is my super Bowl, this is our super Bowl.

1044
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: This is the super Bowl. The Super Bowl is going

1045
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 5: to be great. But this is the two best teams

1046
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 5: in football going at it right now, and I am

1047
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 5: so stoked for this. This is a Rams team that

1048
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 5: has looked really outside of its personality, especially through the playoffs,

1049
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 5: had issues where there doesn't need to be any issues

1050
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 5: in terms of playflow and the way the game is called.

1051
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: And you know, Sean McVeigh has been very open about that.

1052
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 5: There's been a lot of really interesting moves and counter moves.

1053
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: Defenses have thrown a lot at Matthew Stafford and it

1054
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 5: has looked every bit of it. And on the other side,

1055
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 5: the Seahawks made such a statement of strength over yes,

1056
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 5: a decimated forty nine Ers team and are rolling with

1057
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: I would say, probably the highest level of confidence possible

1058
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: into this matchup.

1059
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that fourth quarter changed so much, and if I

1060
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: wanted to give the Rams like the largest grace possible,

1061
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: it's almost been like they they haven't been that team.

1062
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: You said the two best teams in the league, Like

1063
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: that's talking about resume and the team that we see

1064
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: in all season and when we look at the roster

1065
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: and the numbers, like I agree with all that I've

1066
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: said that these are far and away the best two teams.

1067
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Since that ten minutes stretch started basically with Sam Darnold

1068
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: getting pick picked off going in for a touchdown with

1069
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: under ten minutes to go down by sixteen points, like

1070
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: that game is over over at that point. Since that

1071
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: moment forward, the Rams haven't been that good. They've just

1072
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: been They've been okay, they've been good enough to win

1073
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: a couple close playoff games, but they haven't been excellent offensively, certainly,

1074
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: and they've been resourceful, but they've they've been playing iving

1075
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: down to their competition and lucky, frankly to get past

1076
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: Carolina and Chicago. Now, when I'm talking about extending grace,

1077
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: it's almost like they had to just get through all

1078
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: that just to get back to where they were at

1079
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: that moment, to correct everything and where I actually think

1080
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: that they might feel comfortable. I think this is the

1081
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: game they wanted Patrick, for whatever that's worth. I know

1082
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: they know it's like an extremely difficult challenge, but it's

1083
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: one that they're familiar with and that they've gone against twice.

1084
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: They put up a lot of yardage obviously on Seattle,

1085
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: and I think they welcome this. And for some reason,

1086
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: I do believe in this ridiculous psychological trick that I

1087
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: just played that like, now we're going to see the

1088
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: real Rams. Will that be enough? I don't know.

1089
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think we've been seeing the real Rams

1090
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: the whole time.

1091
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: Resourceful enough to get two road playoff wins over a

1092
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: team that had previously beat them and one of the

1093
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: hottest teams in the NFL, with Caleb Williams occasionally player

1094
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: out of his mind to.

1095
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: Say, oh, yeah, that's it.

1096
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: That's the guy and this team the secondary that I

1097
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: was highly critical love made the plays necessary to make

1098
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: them not look like the team and the guy in

1099
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: those circumstances were Yeah. I think the high variance version

1100
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: of the Rams we've got late DC this season are

1101
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: the Rams, and I think that's fine. I think they're

1102
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: perfectly capable of beating the Seattle Seahawks in terms of

1103
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: the comeback and the late aspects of that game.

1104
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 3: I don't know that this version and I know Sam.

1105
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: He was twelve of seventeen, I believe against the forty

1106
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: nine ers and in a home playoff win.

1107
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: Where he played through a lot, he didn't have to

1108
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: do much.

1109
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: And I think that this Rams team can force more

1110
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 2: out of him, much in the way that they force

1111
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: more out of Chicago and Carolina, and I know we

1112
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: don't think is highly of I think more highly of

1113
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: the Bears offense than I do of the Seahawks, especially

1114
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: with Sam playing this way and having his body be

1115
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: in the condition it is, And so yeah, I think

1116
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: II leen Rams in this matchup.

1117
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: Let's focus on Donald and the Seahawks offense first, then

1118
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: like that matchup, because I do think like Stiddy had

1119
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: to lead that preview. I do think that's the number

1120
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: one question is can Donald avoid the big mistake, avoid catastrophy,

1121
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: because when you say these two teams were separated by

1122
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: two points in those two games, it's really fascinating that

1123
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: it was that close when they were minus six Yeah

1124
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: in turnovers? How are you minus six and turnovers and

1125
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: you're right there with the other best team in the

1126
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: NFL and three touchdowns in those games, so that's you know,

1127
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: they would have been about twenty five points apart come

1128
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: directly off Sam donald turnovers. One was nearly a pick six,

1129
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: the other two were extremely short fields that the Rams

1130
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: cash in. So if they just take care of the ball,

1131
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: they've kind of have looked like the better team. And

1132
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: so how do you think Donald will look Jordan? And

1133
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: what do you think kind of the Rams are gonna do?

1134
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Because I think if he plays a B plus game,

1135
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: they're heavy favorites.

1136
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're ceiling both heavy favorites.

1137
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: As dramatic. I can already hear JB Long like texting

1138
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: me about it. Sorry, JB, I can't wait for his call.

1139
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 5: By the way, too, that'll be good. It's interesting because

1140
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 5: the thing that Chrishula like butters his defensive bread on

1141
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: just so happens to be the thing that truly does

1142
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 5: give Sam Darnold legitimate problems. And it's okay to say

1143
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: it like it's facts right. It's not even necessarily pure pressure.

1144
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 5: It's not necessarily real pressure. It's not necessarily even sacks.

1145
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: It's the fact that Chris Shula does not blitz yet

1146
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 5: is leading in pressure rate or throws affected by pressure

1147
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: because of the simulated pressure looks that he shows. And

1148
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 5: what that means is he is sending his defensive backs

1149
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 5: and or linebackers up to the line of scrimmage to

1150
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 5: make it look like they are going to rush the quarterback,

1151
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 5: but then dropping them more often than not, way more

1152
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 5: often than not into coverage and cloudying up the back end.

1153
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: Says the quarterback who is preparing for a pressure, to

1154
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 5: deal with pressure and to mitigate that, all of a

1155
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 5: sudden sees the answers that he's already decided he's going

1156
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 5: to use to solve said pressure covered up by defenders.

1157
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 5: And when we talk about cloudying up the defensive backfield,

1158
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 5: that's what we mean. They want to keep as many

1159
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 5: secondary and interior middlefield defenders on the field as possible,

1160
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: and you absolutely want to do that against the Seahawks offense.

1161
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 5: That is when it's at its best, the most explosive

1162
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 5: attack in the league, not just from the pass where

1163
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: it started out the season with JSN but now and

1164
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 5: charbon Ay you know, being hurts them, but also in

1165
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 5: the run, the way that they've come along with the

1166
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 5: run game.

1167
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: Yep.

1168
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: Like he's owned this matchup, Chris Shula, Yeah, I mean,

1169
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: Darnold has. You know, I did go back to watch

1170
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: that Week sixteen game because it just it just felt

1171
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: like it's so recent. This is a trilogy where they've

1172
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: played almost exactly like once a month for three months,

1173
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: and so this is the third one and there's so

1174
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: much in common between those two matchups. He never really

1175
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: got out of it. He made a couple great throws

1176
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: to help them win the game, but he always makes

1177
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: a couple great throws even within that like comeback, Like

1178
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: he threw exactly one pass from scrimmage. There was a

1179
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: couple two point conversions, which are really important obviously, and

1180
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: he executed them beautifully. He threw one pass to get

1181
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: them from thirty to fourteen to thirty all and then

1182
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: they had two three and outs at the end of

1183
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. So he never really got over it.

1184
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: And last week, even against the forty nine ers, he

1185
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: was two of five for fifteen yards against pressure. There

1186
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: was there was one play which got me thinking of

1187
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: what you were just talking about, and this is why

1188
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Donald is good and why he's risky, where you could

1189
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: just tell he does not see the underneath defender dropping

1190
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: back and he throws it kind of blind and he

1191
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: gets it there and it was a completion last week,

1192
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: but he's kind of got to go take those chances.

1193
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: He has the most turnovers versus pressure of any quarterback

1194
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: in the league. It was him and Joe Flacco, and

1195
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: despite Flacco not having nearly the amount of attempts as Donald,

1196
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: but Donald also didn't have nearly the amount of attempts

1197
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: as a lot of other quarterbacks, so they just weren't

1198
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: under pressure that much. He actually hasn't thrown that many

1199
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: passes under pressure and they haven't had to count on

1200
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: him volume wise. So can they stay in a game

1201
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: where it's not about his instincts, because that's the number

1202
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: one thing I worry about is his instincts when to

1203
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: leave the pocket, when not to when to throw the ball,

1204
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: like where to go. We know he can throw it,

1205
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: we know he'll hit some nice throws as long as

1206
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: he's healthy. It's everything else that I think in this

1207
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: matchup you got to worry about.

1208
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: It's the health.

1209
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that too. Like if you turn the clock

1210
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: back and you looked pretty good last week. I thought

1211
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: he did.

1212
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 5: And Kyle say, I thought of you because Kyle made

1213
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 5: a toward wal reference. Oh yeah, I said, well, yeah,

1214
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 5: it takes a minute.

1215
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 4: For the shot to kick in, and you're always on shot.

1216
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: Watch.

1217
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah there, and late in the season, you know, in

1218
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: Sam's defense, a lot of guys are going in intent

1219
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: and coming out feeling significantly better, you know, if you know,

1220
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: as Kyle points out, probably thirty to forty five minutes later.

1221
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: But it go back earlier in the season where Sam

1222
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: is making these timing throws, he's stepping up, climbing the pocket,

1223
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: he's doing all of these things, and and pain is obviously,

1224
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: like you know, we had this conversation offline where people is.

1225
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: Like, pain is weakness, leaving the body and all these

1226
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: other things, and you got to be tough.

1227
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: It's detrimental to your performance to be hurting, and I

1228
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: think we've seen that late from saying in terms of

1229
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: what Kubiak and company are asking him to do and

1230
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily to play. But I just hate that the

1231
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: total view of Sam Darnold may be impacted by what

1232
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: he's able to do here where you know, the game

1233
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: keeps going, Stafford's gonna throw for six hundred yards in

1234
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: week sixteen, and like, are are they going to be

1235
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: able to keep up if that score fest does break out?

1236
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: If the Rams offense is on schedule and everything is

1237
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: operating and the fingers not an issue and the weather

1238
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: is also not an issue for the for the aging

1239
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: quarterbacks as we all do, we're all older than we

1240
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: were yesterday, but Matthew Stafford probably feeling in a little

1241
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: more than some of the twenty four to twenty five

1242
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: year olds he's playing against at this point. Will A

1243
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent Sam be able to do all

1244
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 2: the things that it takes to score twenty.

1245
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: And can they just run? And Charbonnay is a is

1246
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: a big loss. I don't think it's gonna kill them

1247
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: because they have Kenneth Walker as long as as long

1248
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: as he stays healthy. The matchup that the Seahawks have

1249
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: clearly lost in these games, which really stood out on

1250
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: tape where the interior line of the Seahawks getting bodied

1251
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: by Kobe Turner and Poonifford, and it was Jake Sundell

1252
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: specifically and Anthony Bradford specifically. When I went back to

1253
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: watch it this week, They're getting beat over and over

1254
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: and he Sundell also got beat a couple of times

1255
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: pretty quickly last week, like again like CJ. West had

1256
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: a quick pressure sack on Darnold. And so that that's

1257
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: a matchup where, man if the Rams can win the

1258
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: interior offensive line and and just keep applying pressure the

1259
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: on off splits. Next Gen Stats had some great numbers

1260
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: of Kobe Turner crazy. It's crazy. They're like, by far

1261
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: the best defense in the league in the best pressure

1262
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: eight with Kobe Turner off the field, and they're not

1263
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: good within these off the field, and I think in

1264
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: this matchup like that, that's something I'm watching for because

1265
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: that could be a weakness. Sundell is a guy they

1266
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: like a lot, and I think has played well in

1267
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: general this year, but maybe since he's come back from injury,

1268
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: he hasn't quite been the same.

1269
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 5: One of the things that really brought the Rams defense

1270
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 5: to life against Chicago was activating Poona Ford a little

1271
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 5: bit more in the path rush once they realized that

1272
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 5: the bears entire running strategy was developing into run around

1273
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 5: Poona Ford and Caleb Williams is going to drop back

1274
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 5: to pass. You mitigate some of those stretch runs in

1275
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 5: the zone runs that the Bears were using, and obviously

1276
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 5: Poona is not going to be, you know, defending the

1277
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 5: run in space like that. But then they opened him

1278
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 5: up in the pass rush. He was getting into the

1279
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 5: backfield on multiple occasions almost untouched. That's something that you

1280
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 5: have to think Seattle's coaching staff is looking at on

1281
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 5: tape because they weren't necessarily doing that. Through the course

1282
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 5: of the season, you saw more attention paid to Kobe

1283
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 5: and in that in that regard, they started activating Puna.

1284
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 5: It's specifically in those pass rush opportunities a little bit more.

1285
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious too if they can get Rashid Shahed involved

1286
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: in the offense, because he's obviously been a great pickup

1287
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: for what they've gotten special teams just last week alone,

1288
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: but he has you want to guess how many yards

1289
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: he has over the last four games as a receiver Patrick,

1290
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: it's a wild number. Thirty six, ten, ten. He's not

1291
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: part of the offense. Cooper Cup is coming off one

1292
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: of his best games of the year.

1293
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, he's hungry for this one too.

1294
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: I try extra hard.

1295
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: He he's you know, he's playing more routes certainly than Shaheed.

1296
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: He is the two and look they he was the

1297
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: first read on a number of plays last week and

1298
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: he made those plays. It was really one of his

1299
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: best games of the season. So that's good because I

1300
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: do think of the Rams weakness, as we've talked about,

1301
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: are the outside corners Shaheed in theory and Cup in theory,

1302
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: like are there to help expose that. But are the

1303
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: Seahawks the team to expose it? You know, like, do

1304
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: we need a little Shaheat in our life? I feel

1305
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: like for them to like have the depth of options.

1306
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: They are not a team that relies on depth of options.

1307
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: They rely on their unreal and short yarded situations and

1308
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: they're unreal. Obviously getting into Smith and Jigba Barner's a

1309
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: big factor, but they could really use Shahea and Cup

1310
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: especially to have.

1311
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: A big game.

1312
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: I think to facilitate the usage of Rashichia heat, you're

1313
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: gonna need to not have a Kobe Turner problem. You're

1314
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: gonna need to have Sam be able to deliver the

1315
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: ball deep downfield where you know, the Rashichia heat fifty

1316
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: plus yard touchdown stat only gets more crazy after the playoffs,

1317
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: where it's can you utilize like because after the deadline

1318
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: you get Donald worn down a little bit and you

1319
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: don't get they gotta try maximum Donald to truly take

1320
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: advantage of what rashichi.

1321
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: Here's a stat. I won't make it a quiz, but

1322
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: it amazed me when I looked Sam Donald's only attempted

1323
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: four throws over twenty the yards in the last three

1324
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: games combined, hasn't hit any So this was the best

1325
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: deep team in the league for about three months them

1326
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: in the Patriots. Patriots have kept it going and the

1327
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: Seahawks have stopped even trying to do it. So I

1328
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: think that's that's a big one.

1329
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 5: Well, what's helped is their run game activating the way

1330
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 5: that it has, and then I wonder if the injury

1331
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 5: factors in a little bit to that recently anyway, But

1332
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 5: the funny thing about that to me is like, we're

1333
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 5: just hoping you forgot about this. You know, they've played

1334
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 5: them three times and they're they're sitting there like, oh no,

1335
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 5: we lost this piece of our playbook. We're super hoping

1336
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 5: you don't remember. But in all seriousness, where they still

1337
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 5: are very very rams are still very very susceptible is

1338
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 5: versus play action passing in part because their corners are

1339
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 5: a little bit of a liability. Now that said, yes,

1340
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 5: Kobe Turner or excuse me, Kobe Durant had two interceptions

1341
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 5: on Caleb km Kurl had the clutch most clutch interception

1342
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 5: of his life, essentially against Caleb will as well. But

1343
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 5: on the perimeter, they do not have size or in

1344
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 5: terms of length, and that could be a real problem

1345
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 5: because even you know, they're like even their small receivers

1346
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 5: are still big in Seattle, and their tight ends are

1347
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 5: a mismatch against all of these secondary.

1348
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: Convinced aj Barner is actually like seven foot four, four

1349
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds. There is this something about him

1350
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: that seems extremely imposing.

1351
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: And Quentin Lake is back, which in theory should help.

1352
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 5: He's sick this week. But Sean McVay says, he'll be

1353
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 5: ready to go this weekend. In theory, that should help

1354
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 5: you defend and cloud up the middle of the field

1355
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 5: a little bit more against really really good tight ends.

1356
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 5: But they still struggle defending tight ends. So even if

1357
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 5: your secondary perimeter receivers are not a factor here, really

1358
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 5: watch if you know you're you're looking ahead to this game,

1359
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 5: what the Rams have done and do against tight ends,

1360
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 5: because it has been real feast or famine against those players.

1361
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: So like the first run for the Rams and the

1362
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: McVay era that that ended in a championship, not his

1363
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: first run to the Super Bowl, but the twenty twenty

1364
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: one run, the defense is really stepping up and getting

1365
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: them through these games. I think they've stayed at a

1366
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: pretty consistent level and they are maybe even peaking for

1367
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: the playoff. They're playing well. The offense is where it

1368
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: feels like the team is different, but they found a

1369
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: way to get through these games. Sean McVay spoke on

1370
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: Wednesday about the adversity that they've overcome.

1371
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 8: I think what's been reflected in is that we've been,

1372
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 8: you know, strengthened through our scars. I mean, I think

1373
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 8: you look at it and you guys have asked me

1374
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 8: about it. There was a handful of games that we had,

1375
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 8: or a few games that we had where you maintain

1376
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 8: a lead and then they come back and then you're

1377
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 8: not able to kind of make the plays that are

1378
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 8: necessary to be able to finish it. Well, that hasn't

1379
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 8: been the narrative in each of our first two playoff games,

1380
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 8: and so don't know exactly how this game is going

1381
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 8: to unfold. But I do think our guys have become

1382
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 8: more resilient. I think there's a resolve. I think there's

1383
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 8: a mental toughness in a fortitude that's necessary. And I've

1384
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 8: been really proud of the those guys because it is

1385
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 8: about how you finish. You can't win the game until

1386
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 8: the fourth quarter and last week since this until overtime,

1387
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 8: and so you know, I love this group.

1388
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 9: I think they've used these scars the right way.

1389
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 5: I know we laugh about like the play calling and

1390
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 5: then the I know you guys referenced the fourth down

1391
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 5: decision making that I wrote about a lot.

1392
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: A couple of years ago and all of that.

1393
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 5: But Sean I think has gotten really good as a

1394
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 5: play caller in pulling himself out of a funk in game.

1395
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 5: I remember huge leads that they squandered taking their foot

1396
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 5: off the gas, and they certainly have taken their foot

1397
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 5: off the gas at times all this season. But you

1398
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 5: watch like that last scoring drive that they needed to have,

1399
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 5: and the way that they drove the ball down the

1400
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 5: field to set them up for the game winning field

1401
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 5: goal and overtime as well, and the balance that they

1402
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 5: finally finally started using. There was a time where I

1403
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 5: think he was too proud to like actually understand his

1404
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 5: hand in some of the funks that they had gotten into.

1405
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 5: And I think he's gotten a lot more. He's talking

1406
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 5: about resilience here, I think they reflect him. I think

1407
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 5: he's gotten a lot more resilient. The interesting thing about

1408
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 5: this to me is that Mike McDonald is never not

1409
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 5: like he's a robot, Like he's You would not know

1410
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 5: if he's in a funk because his defense does not

1411
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 5: get into a funk. They keep coming at you and

1412
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 5: almost like gain strength, like a wave crashing onto the shore.

1413
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: He never dips, he never pauses.

1414
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 5: And this is something where I think this is a

1415
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 5: fantastic matchup because it is too play callers on either

1416
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 5: side of the ball who are perfect foils of each

1417
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 5: other they're also kind of the same person, and they've

1418
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 5: gone through different things in their coaching career, and they

1419
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 5: are kind of showing you like who they are with

1420
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 5: how they call these games. I think his comments, yes,

1421
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 5: we're about his team, but I also think they're a

1422
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 5: little bit about himself too.

1423
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I think he will, he will love,

1424
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: not that he wouldn't have loved Kim Curl forever, regardless

1425
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: for everything Kim Curl's done for him in putting a

1426
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: big turnover against the Seahawks earlier this season too, but

1427
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: that helped him get out of that funk because that

1428
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: game could have ended differently, and my lasting image would

1429
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: have been him completely frozen and stunned after that Caleb

1430
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: Williams touchdown. Just that image makes me think, oh man,

1431
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: it would have been interesting if they went for two,

1432
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: just because I don't know if the coach would have

1433
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: if they would have called any play, they just would

1434
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: have been frozen and been like, oh, just score, We're

1435
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: too stunned. Right now, we all have regrets, And I

1436
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: love how he self scouted himself immediately after the game

1437
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: of what play calls were good, what wasn't. The regrets

1438
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: that he had and one regret I had driving home

1439
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: on Sunday night after well, I think was a great

1440
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: show overall, is we didn't really give the DeVante Adams

1441
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: catch and grow in overtime from Matthew Stafford the love

1442
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: that it deserved. So I'm all about fixing our mistakes.

1443
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: Let's actually listen, I haven't heard this yet. Let's listen

1444
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: to our friend JB Long call that play, because I

1445
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: do think there's a way to push this forward into

1446
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: this week and have it apply for what they're going

1447
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: to need. Out of Matthew Stafford and DeVante Stafford to

1448
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: the air.

1449
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 9: Again, back to pass climbs, the pocket sits one and

1450
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 9: it is caught at the left sideline. Dfonte made the.

1451
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: Catch, yes he did, fars thought he.

1452
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 7: Was out of bounds, but Adams brings it in across midfield.

1453
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: Oh, only his second grab of the game after clearing

1454
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol.

1455
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 3: Will it withstand further reviews?

1456
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: So that's day be long last week on KSPN and

1457
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: apologizes to who put this out because it's so true.

1458
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford makes so many throws that look, you know,

1459
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: great on TV copy, but then when you see them

1460
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: the next day on the all twenty two are just like, oh,

1461
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: that was impossible, Like you did not have a total

1462
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: appreciation of that was a one hundred out of one

1463
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: hundred throw. Jordan wrote beautifully about it on The Athletic.

1464
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: Everyone should should check that out. And when I think

1465
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: about this week, obviously DeVante Adams is really important, I

1466
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: think he can't be all huko like it was in

1467
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: Week sixteen. But I do think it might just come

1468
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: down to, like, you know, Stafford's just got to his

1469
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: best has to be better than their coverage, Like he's

1470
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: just gonna have to break a good plan with a

1471
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: throw that there is no defense for, because that's what

1472
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford can do when he's at his best. So

1473
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: like we need, I think he's gonna have to have

1474
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: more than one of like those types of special throws

1475
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: in moments to get past this.

1476
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: And I think that's what gets you in the funk

1477
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 2: as a play caller is the fact that you have

1478
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: a quarterback that can do that on any particular pass

1479
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: player that you call, where he's gonna make a no

1480
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: look throw, where he's gonna not be able to square

1481
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 2: his shoulders to the sideline and throw a seeing eyeball

1482
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: to DeVante Adams who comes back into the game after

1483
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: he takes a massive shot where he's sitting up right

1484
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: on the field for like thirty seconds. We didn't even

1485
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: know if DeVante was gonna come back into that game.

1486
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 2: Where you have two players like that who can do that, Yeah,

1487
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: you know what, why not? Why not completely abandoned the

1488
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 2: run game on the road in the driving snow against

1489
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: the defense that's forced more toneovers than any other defense

1490
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: in football, Like, I think that capacity is something. Yeah,

1491
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: when it doesn't go right, that's how the Rams can lose.

1492
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: But to highlight because you know, as much as I

1493
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: love coach McVeigh as well as the two thousand and

1494
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: five Papa Roach song scars, it makes me think of

1495
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: a physical ailment that's a mistake, like to when you

1496
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: don't feel great about the players. Yeah, you could call

1497
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: them scars because there's evidence of them, but it's something

1498
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: that's easily fixed, not like a quarterback having a hand

1499
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: issue or any sort of accumulation of hits on him,

1500
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: where you know, Matthew Stafford's not going to run all

1501
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: over this defense, well nobody is.

1502
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 3: But being able to make those throws, it's.

1503
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 2: Why he's so special and why the criticism where if

1504
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald doesn't get through and Burrow's able to get

1505
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 2: that ball to Jamar Chase and they don't win the

1506
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: super Bowl somehow, Oh, Matthew Stafford's not good because he

1507
01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: can't win the big game. We don't have the word

1508
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: worry about that anymore. We can just appreciate how good

1509
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 2: he is at what he does, and that plays a great.

1510
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: I want you to sing Scars, Uh if you were

1511
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: before the show, just do it right now now? No, Okay.

1512
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 4: Famously Greg does not know that song.

1513
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a big gap musical four in two

1514
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 3: thousand and five.

1515
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: I would I would say, Yeah, my post college, the

1516
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: early aughts, you know, Spotify wasn't on. You know, you

1517
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a phone that Spotify is on. Yeah, it

1518
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: was like it was a dark time. You're taking a

1519
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: while to get the your napster to load, but you

1520
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: have to work hard.

1521
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 3: The entire Lighter Flick mixtape era of Lil Wayne.

1522
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was where you were.

1523
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 4: I was there.

1524
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: I missed.

1525
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 4: Papa wrote, I think you're okay. I think it's okay, okay.

1526
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 5: So the thing about Matthew Stafford I love that you

1527
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 5: brought that point up, Patrick, because that's exactly what it is.

1528
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford is the type of quarterback and this is

1529
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 5: why they went out and got him all those years ago,

1530
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 5: and he's addicted to the postseason now. And this is

1531
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 5: the quarter who makes you believe that you can fly

1532
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 5: on the surface of the sun and wax on your

1533
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 5: wings will not melt like He makes you believe in

1534
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 5: the impossible. That throw against a six foot four with

1535
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 5: double the wingspan and then some cornerback and a Sean Wright.

1536
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 5: It had to go through the eye of a needle

1537
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 5: to stay inbounds against that corner to that receiver who

1538
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 5: then had to drag like his feet and both ankles

1539
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 5: on the frozen ground in order to actually make this catch.

1540
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 5: It's impossible. It's impossible, it's improbable, and because he keeps

1541
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 5: doing it, you think it's gonna happen again.

1542
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 4: It can happen again.

1543
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 5: And that's where you walk this incredibly thin line against

1544
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 5: a defense as monstrously ferocious, as fundamentally sound, as aggressive,

1545
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 5: as physical, as long as they are similar, it's a

1546
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 5: field full and a Sean Wright, so it's like long

1547
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 5: long players and in the past rush and in the coverage,

1548
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 5: and it's why you walk that really impossible line of saying,

1549
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 5: we can replicate these the impossible. We can ask our

1550
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 5: quarterback to replicate the impossible. And when it works, this

1551
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 5: is a team that will win the Super Bowl. And

1552
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 5: if it doesn't work, Matthew Stafford, who got really lucky

1553
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 5: and didn't turn the ball over when he could have

1554
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 5: a couple of times in that game and had a

1555
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 5: couple of drops by receivers, if he's at his best,

1556
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 5: this team cannot be stopped.

1557
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: Right and and he just hasn't been at his best

1558
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: for a while right now. Again, like we mentioned this

1559
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: in the interview with Tom, like most of the quarterbacks,

1560
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: numbers are down, but it is interesting that the two

1561
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: MVP candidates, for instance, I would say there they're most difficult.

1562
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: Worst two game stretches of the season are these last

1563
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: two the playoff games. Like Stafford's you know numbers while

1564
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: pressured in the playoffs are the worst in the league,

1565
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: Like you even worse than CJ's numbers. Where in terms

1566
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: of his pass rate and that's been the case all year,

1567
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: but even his completion percentage and how it's been going

1568
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: for about a month now, if you go back to

1569
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: the Falcons game hasn't been at his level, and you

1570
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: think about, like, Okay, I think I think that was

1571
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: a near death experience and somehow they're going to play

1572
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: better and and I just think you're going to get

1573
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: a better experience. Will we get it?

1574
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 7: Though?

1575
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: Like how we saw for most of the season and

1576
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: in that Week sixteen game with all the thirteen personnel,

1577
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 1: sixty one percent of three tight ends on the field

1578
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,480
Speaker 1: last time these two teams played, including all four touchdowns

1579
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: by the Rams, and then the last two weeks in

1580
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs they've used it almost at the lowest rate

1581
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 1: that they have all seasons.

1582
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 4: We lost the page of our playbook right to mix

1583
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 4: the effects.

1584
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: You think, do you think they'll go back to it.

1585
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: It's going to be. It's going to be all the

1586
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: way back and cranked up this week. I love it.

1587
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 5: What they do say about Scars is that they remind

1588
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 5: us that the past is real. The edge I give

1589
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 5: the Seahawks in spades here is on special teams, especially

1590
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 5: with Rashid Shaheed being able to return hunted kicks the

1591
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 5: way that he has been. The Rams special teams unit

1592
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 5: came through in the clutch. What's the opposite of a

1593
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 5: near death experience. I guess just staying alive and not

1594
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 5: being fright.

1595
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: They've been great either great, but maybe this is a hero.

1596
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: But that's the thing we'll talk to Jake.

1597
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 5: I don't trust the Rams special teams, as you know,

1598
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 5: I would say as far as I could throw them.

1599
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 5: But I'm not making any sort of snide joke or

1600
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 5: anything like that.

1601
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: And look, Seattle's got to get a better pass rush

1602
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: on Stafford. He had forty nine attempts in that game

1603
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: just a month ago, no sacks, only four quarterback hits.

1604
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: Not a high pressure rate. Their secret sauce all season

1605
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: is they blitz in the bottom seven rate of the

1606
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: league and yet their pressure rates in the top five

1607
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: of the league. I mean that, So you have all

1608
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 1: these talented guys in the back end, and you always

1609
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: have a lot of them, and they're big, and they're

1610
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: great tacklers. Like it's really hard to beat that. And

1611
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: you've seen that, Like I can't tell you how many

1612
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: different plays in that game, and then the forty nine

1613
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: Ers game last week, the where Byron Murphy doesn't get

1614
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: the credit on the play, but his pressure directly impacts

1615
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: everyone around him, where someone else gets the pressure or

1616
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: the hit or the quarterback has to move because of him,

1617
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: and that defensive tackle duo is just lights out. But

1618
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: they they got to be better, like not just in

1619
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: the run game where they've been money. They're the best

1620
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: short yardage defense I was looking up like in the

1621
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: NFL by a lot, Like it is really hard to

1622
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: run on them on second and two, third and two,

1623
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: fourth and two, like all that sort of stuff like

1624
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: that could be a hinge point. But they need their

1625
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about them as one of

1626
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: the best defense we've seen in a long time, they

1627
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: need to get more pressure on Stafford, not give up

1628
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: four hundred yards you know, through the air to them.

1629
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have to get to them quick because

1630
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: I think the volume of thirteen personnel.

1631
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 3: Where you know you are able to get every everybody as.

1632
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: In the past, rush can be accounted for, and Matthew

1633
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: Stafford is able to handle a lot of and I

1634
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: think your strength and being one of those good third

1635
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: and fourth, especially in the red zone areas kind of

1636
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: gets nerved when Davante Adams is available and the goal

1637
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: on fade to the chagrin of the anti goal on

1638
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: fade community when two Hall of Famers evolved in the process,

1639
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: is still very effective.

1640
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too.

1641
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 5: One of my theories is that he obviously you want

1642
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 5: Davante and Puka both on the field as much as possible.

1643
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 5: But one of my theories about why some of that

1644
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 5: went away, that thirteen went away, is because defenses were

1645
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 5: playing them differently. Dennis Allen threw the kitchen sink of

1646
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 5: blitz packages against Matthew Stafford, Matthew Coleman Shelton, the center.

1647
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 5: Both talk to me about a postgame how confusing it

1648
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 5: was for them, how they were just toying with them.

1649
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 5: In Coleman Shelton's words, he saw a lot of pre

1650
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 5: snap struggles to communicate skill players not picking up pressure

1651
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 5: the way that they would have liked them to. And

1652
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 5: I don't know that they trust all of those tight

1653
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 5: ends to do that. Tyler Higby and Kolbe Parkinson have experienced.

1654
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 5: I don't know that they trust all those tight ends

1655
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 5: should you need them in those types of scenarios when

1656
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: you want to run thirteen. Not sure you actually trust

1657
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 5: them against some of the pressure that you're seeing so

1658
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 5: you can get them out of it.

1659
01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 4: If you throw stuff like.

1660
01:22:59,520 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 9: That at them.

1661
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: That raises an interesting question, one that I could try

1662
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: to answer, but I wouldn't be as good at it

1663
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: as our guest who's coming up. Let's take a break,

1664
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: and then I will ask said question to JJ Janssen,

1665
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: the longtime long snapper of the Panthers, who was on

1666
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: the field against each of these teams this year. Friend

1667
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: of the Show, back on NFL Daily, It's been a

1668
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: journey to get to the end of this preview, to

1669
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: the end of the season in the National Football Conference.

1670
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Our next guest was playing in these very playoffs against

1671
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: one of these very teams just a few weeks ago.

1672
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: Let's welcome in, Friend of the Show, friend of Jordan

1673
01:23:55,240 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: rod Rieg. It's JJ Jansen, long snapper of the Airlina Panthers,

1674
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: coming off a noteworthy birthday. So happy belated birthday and

1675
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: congratulations that Mike Gundy officially recognizes you as a man

1676
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: moving forward. That's right, that's right, You've been a man

1677
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: to us all along, JJ, So I said, before the

1678
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: before the break, I had a like something popped in me,

1679
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: had a question I would decided, I'll just ask you.

1680
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive into the deep end here. One thing

1681
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: I noticed last week and that Bears Rams matchup and

1682
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: you guys obviously just went against the Rams, was they

1683
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: they did confuse Stafford and their protection plans more than

1684
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: once where he seemed to like not either it was

1685
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the skill position players that were off or he had

1686
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: the count wrong, like Dennis Allen had a really good

1687
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: day I think against McVeigh and Stafford, And I guess

1688
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like why you think that would have happened

1689
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: to such a veteran quarterback in the scenario and then

1690
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: specifically for this matchup, Like what kind of you know,

1691
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: problems you think that Mike McDonald. I know they're not

1692
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: a heavy blitz team, but when they've done it, they've

1693
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: been really effective at doing it. And what kind of

1694
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: things that they could throw at Stafford to maybe pick

1695
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: up on that weakness from a week ago.

1696
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think one of the advantages that Seattle has,

1697
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 10: and I think you saw it a little bit last

1698
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 10: week with the Rams game versus Chicago, is in order

1699
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 10: to confuse veteran quarterbacks, which happens so infrequently, you really

1700
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 10: have to have a lot of people in your coverage, right.

1701
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 10: The ability for Seattle to get a ton of pressure

1702
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 10: with just their front four. Bring only five allows you

1703
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 10: to play with six or seven guys in the secondary,

1704
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 10: change up coverages, you know, whether it's cover two and

1705
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 10: inverting it or playing man. You can just complicate things

1706
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 10: a lot. And we're watching it right now, like they're

1707
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 10: only rushing party with four. Seattle's doing this and it

1708
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 10: just complicates what someone can see.

1709
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1710
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 9: One of the things that we even.

1711
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 10: Had in our game we played Stafford twice, is veteran

1712
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 10: quarterbacks can figure stuff out over the course of the game,

1713
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 10: so you have to keep them guessing. But even the

1714
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 10: best ones eventually kind of figure out your plan because

1715
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 10: there's only so much in a game plan. So the

1716
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 10: advantage for Seattle is they can get to the pastor

1717
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,480
Speaker 10: with their front four and hopefully confuse Stafford from their perspective.

1718
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 9: The weather's not going to.

1719
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 10: Be nearly as bad in Seattle as it was last

1720
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 10: week in Chicago. That's an advantage because sometimes it's how

1721
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 10: do I feel gripping the ball, what's happening in front

1722
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 10: of me? You're thinking about how cold you are, as

1723
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 10: much as no one wants to talk about it. So

1724
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 10: I think the passing game can always be affected a

1725
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 10: little bit in cold weather football. It's hard to keep

1726
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 10: confusing veteran quarterbacks like Stafford over.

1727
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 9: And over again.

1728
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 10: But if you're going to do it, you have to

1729
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 10: do it with a really unbelievable pass rush. And again,

1730
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 10: Seattle gets as much pressure on anybody or on quarterbacks

1731
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 10: as any other team in the league, and they don't

1732
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 10: blitz that much. So that's the recipe to really get

1733
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 10: after a quarterback.

1734
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Stafford, one of the things that was so

1735
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 5: interesting saying about what Dunnett Salin decided to do JJ

1736
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 5: to me was was Stafford is really good against the blitz.

1737
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 5: But I think they capitalized on some of the noise

1738
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 5: too that that was coming from the fans and not

1739
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 5: being able to hear some of the checks and the

1740
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 5: protection changes that Stafford made. And I think some of

1741
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 5: the skill guys let him down a little bit too

1742
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 5: in terms of being where they were supposed to be

1743
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 5: dictated by what he was seeing with the with the protection,

1744
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 5: and he admitted he didn't pick up things as well

1745
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 5: as he could have either. But when you have a

1746
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 5: team that can drop everybody and make everything super cloudy

1747
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 5: the way the Seahawks can because they do get pressure

1748
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 5: with their front, their base front, Like, how do you

1749
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 5: get have you seen it often this year? And how

1750
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 5: would you how do you get a quarterback like Stafford?

1751
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 5: How do you bait him into making a throw he

1752
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 5: shouldn't make?

1753
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 10: Essentially, yeah, I think you have to keep things complicated.

1754
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 9: Where's the rush coming from? Who's you know?

1755
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 10: Like, for instance, if you're running cover two, there's five

1756
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 10: underneath players. They're on the kind of the flip side.

1757
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 10: I don't mean to get ahead, but like one of

1758
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 10: the interceptions Sam Darnold had on the flip when they

1759
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 10: played in Seattle versus the Rams, he thinks it's man coverage,

1760
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 10: all of a sudden it falls into zone, like changing

1761
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 10: the early presentation. And I do think on the road

1762
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 10: it gets a little bit more complicated because the crowd noise,

1763
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 10: which you know it's gonna Seattle is the loudest place

1764
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 10: in the league. So much of the stuff really needs

1765
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 10: to be called in the huddle because audibling and checking

1766
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 10: things is so complicated. Hand signals all of those things.

1767
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 10: But then as the volume goes up and Stafford starts

1768
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 10: using hand signals, well, now that's one more thing for

1769
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 10: the defense to pick up on and disguise if they

1770
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 10: know what a certain hand signal, what route you know

1771
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 10: if he clasps his knuckles together and that is a

1772
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 10: hitch route. Let's say, Well, all of a sudden, you

1773
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 10: start showing that time and time again, dbs.

1774
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 9: Can start sitting on things.

1775
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 10: So volume always helps the defense because it allows for

1776
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 10: nonverbal communication, which coaches and players can see.

1777
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 9: So that's that's an added piece.

1778
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 10: It's not just how it's just not the struggle to communicate,

1779
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 10: but it's also all the other nonverbal ways that have

1780
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,879
Speaker 10: to come into how you present a plan to the defense.

1781
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: So JJ, you know, he's a friend of the show.

1782
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: We're so comfortable with JJ as a guest that we're

1783
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: actually going to throw at the sound while JJ's on

1784
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: because it's germane to this conversation. It's Mike McDonald talking

1785
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: about the home atmosphere in Seattle.

1786
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 6: What an atmosphere, Holy smokes, twelves, you know, just our

1787
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 6: organization putting on a great, a great setting.

1788
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 9: It was just hey, you do try you do, actually

1789
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 9: try to take.

1790
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 8: Some time and look around and just understand how incredibly

1791
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 8: blessed we are and with the best fans in the world,

1792
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 8: and and uh, it definitely made an impact, definitely to

1793
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 8: start the game, and.

1794
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,440
Speaker 9: So just want to appreciate this. That was awesome. It's freaking.

1795
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Mike Mack in his feelings about great fan base, and

1796
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure he will take jj, you know, three seconds

1797
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 2: to take a look around and then get the hyper

1798
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 2: focused on confusing Matt Stafford and whatever he can do

1799
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: in this game, because I think Stafford well acquainted with

1800
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: playing in that particular venue, did it recently and we

1801
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: all of this conversation about being hard to play a

1802
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 2: team this volume of times when you come back into

1803
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 2: this particular matchup, is it really more is it McVeigh

1804
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 2: and Mike Mack or is it these guys executing at

1805
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: a high level that's going to determine this game.

1806
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a great question.

1807
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 10: I think it starts with the offensive play caller getting

1808
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 10: the proper types of plays and sequencing into early parts

1809
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 10: of the game so that you can begin to acquire information.

1810
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 10: The fourth quarter I've always thought is about the quarterbacks.

1811
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 10: Can we get into the right plays, make the right checks,

1812
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 10: find the one on ones. But early in the game,

1813
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 10: we've talked about it in the past, like the first fifteen.

1814
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 10: What's going on right there, Well, it's the beginning of

1815
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 10: the understanding one code to the other of how things

1816
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 10: are being played so that you know what to call

1817
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 10: later in the game. You know, Like they were talking

1818
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 10: about volume there and in the crowd noise, Like, if

1819
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 10: I'm the Rams this week, I'm deferring the opening kickoff

1820
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 10: because I don't want the ball when the volume is

1821
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 10: that whatever the decibel level is in Seattle. I'd rather

1822
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 10: get the ball to start the second half. I want

1823
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 10: to be able to get as much information without The

1824
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 10: first drive is always going to be hard, but you

1825
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 10: know what, the first half or the second half drive

1826
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 10: always starts really quiet because everyone's still getting pretzels and

1827
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 10: hot nogs and stuff, so it's always quieter. So if

1828
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 10: I'm the Rams, I don't want the ball to start

1829
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 10: the game. I want it in the second half. But

1830
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 10: I also want to be able to use the first

1831
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 10: half to begin to gain some information. We saw when

1832
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 10: they played in week sixteen. Early in the game they

1833
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 10: went forward a few times. They were not overly proficient

1834
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,759
Speaker 10: in the first half. Effective, they scored, but it weren't dynamic.

1835
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 10: Second half is when you started seeing all the big

1836
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 10: crossing routes from Puka Nakua, the big shots and Stafford

1837
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 10: started figuring out the defense that Seattle was presenting on

1838
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 10: that particular night. They obviously scored thirty seven. It wasn't

1839
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 10: like Seattle stopped them really at all. I mean, if anything,

1840
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 10: they kind of stopped themselves so until the fourth quarter.

1841
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 10: But again, that's the chess match, so you know, I

1842
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 10: think there's a lot of layers. The coaches are certainly

1843
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 10: going to be dueling at the end of the day.

1844
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 10: It's going to be Stafford, Nakua, DeVante Adams going up

1845
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 10: against that secondary. They can they stop Lawrence? Can they

1846
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 10: stop anybody on the inside? That's going to be the

1847
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 10: players are still going to determine kind of the final

1848
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 10: outcome of the game. But it's a great test. It's

1849
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 10: a great chess match, you know.

1850
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: What, JJ.

1851
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 5: I love what you said about information gathering because against

1852
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 5: the Bears, the Rams did it more. In their opening

1853
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 5: script their first fifteen they changed personnels more than I've

1854
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 5: seen them do in a long time. They were throwing

1855
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 5: in there. I call them, I'm not the I didn't

1856
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 5: come up with this. The coaching staff did. But the

1857
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 5: half personnels so they're throwing like their full back receipt

1858
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 5: hybrids in to run like eleven and a half personnel

1859
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 5: or to show a twelve look, but it's really eleven concepts.

1860
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,520
Speaker 4: And they rotated. They subbed and subbed and subbed and subbed.

1861
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 5: Over more than I've seen, and they were trying to

1862
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 5: figure out what Dennis Allen was going to do to them, essentially,

1863
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 5: but against Seattle, Seattle doesn't really sub they don't need to,

1864
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 5: and they just show you the same damn thing at

1865
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 5: every single snap. And so I'm kind of like, how

1866
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 5: much information can you get if you are the rams

1867
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 5: and follow up question to that it's like, how good

1868
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 5: is Seattle at not showing its hand and how much

1869
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 5: of an advantage is that for their defense?

1870
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 10: Well, it reminds me of back in thirteen fourteen to

1871
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 10: fifteen with the Panthers when we were going up against

1872
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 10: the Legion A boom, Right. It's a different style of defense,

1873
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:55,799
Speaker 10: but the similarities of you've got these really talented pass rushers,

1874
01:33:55,880 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 10: these really talented guys in the secondary safeties corners do

1875
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 10: everything well and they don't need a lot of different

1876
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 10: personnel packages so that they can be more you know,

1877
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 10: Nick em and Worry coming down the He can play linebacker,

1878
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 10: he can play nickel, he can play safety, he can

1879
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,879
Speaker 10: do anything you want. So you're not getting as much information.

1880
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 10: It's harder to find the individual matchups. And I think

1881
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 10: it was kind of interesting in the first matchup we

1882
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 10: had seen this sort of proliferation of thirteen personnel and

1883
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 10: then Step and then McVeigh went to eleven and just

1884
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 10: played in eleven. Well round two because DeVante Adams was out,

1885
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 10: he just stayed in thirteen, even after all the information gathering,

1886
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 10: So at the end of the day, you're looking for

1887
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 10: one or two matchups. I don't think enough is made

1888
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 10: of how impressive Puka Nakua is in the run game,

1889
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 10: Like we talk about it, you hear people mention it.

1890
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 10: But even one of the touchdowns in week sixteen, em

1891
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 10: and Worry is looking right at him because he thinks

1892
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 10: he's going to get blocked, and all of a sudden, Ferguson.

1893
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 9: Gets slipped to the corner.

1894
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 10: So it's a really cool matchup in that both teams

1895
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 10: have guys that can play big and little simultaneously, so

1896
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 10: you're probably gonna see good on good really the whole game.

1897
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and I saw staff from our next gen

1898
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: stats of how you know, Puoka has the most yardage

1899
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: of any wide receiver this season by a lot when

1900
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,560
Speaker 1: matched up on non cornerbacks, so safeties and linebackers, and

1901
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: that specific game was the most by far any wide

1902
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: out has had in any game all season because McVeigh

1903
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: helped to dictate those matchups and and Puka obviously is

1904
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna win them over and over. So we know about Pooka.

1905
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: You you face these teams, you face the Rams twice

1906
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: in pretty short order. I'm I want you to tell

1907
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 1: me someone that stands out to you on the rams,

1908
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,919
Speaker 1: maybe a little unsung, like a like a football player's

1909
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: football player that that you know, like the guy that

1910
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: has the respect. You know that that you see that

1911
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 1: has your respects certainly, but but maybe isn't like a

1912
01:35:58,920 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: huge star.

1913
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 9: Well he's kind of a star.

1914
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 10: Braden Fisk I had to go long one against in

1915
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 10: special teams h NonStop. It was me versus him, and

1916
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 10: so that was sort of a that was like bear wrestling,

1917
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 10: and I didn't do very good at it, but.

1918
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 7: You know, I went up.

1919
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: He's a great answer.

1920
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 10: I love it. He was sort of he was sort

1921
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 10: of pass rushing me on on on punt for me personally.

1922
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 10: I went over to Austin Corbett, who was a long

1923
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 10: time RAM and kind of knew all that. I said, Hey,

1924
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 10: what's the pass rush plan from Fisk? Because he's swim

1925
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 10: moving me. He's ripped it through like I don't usually

1926
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 10: have to deal with that, and he and Corbett kind

1927
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 10: of laughed at me. He's like, well, he's gonna try hard,

1928
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 10: he's going to use all the swim moves and you're

1929
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 10: just gonna have to hang on for dear life. I said,

1930
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 10: fair enough. I was like, this is what me kind

1931
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 10: of laughed at me, goes, this is what we have

1932
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 10: to deal with on the O line.

1933
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 5: So fantastic turn it into a lesson for you, JJ

1934
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 5: that these guys have to deal with.

1935
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 10: Eighteen years, I'm still learning stuff. But you know, Nate

1936
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 10: Landman hit me right in the side out of the

1937
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 10: head as hard as it has ever hit me.

1938
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

1939
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 10: So so in Carolina we do a lot of kind

1940
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 10: of funky alternative formations on punts. So what teams basically

1941
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 10: started doing was just playing their defense. So these guys

1942
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 10: on defense don't know the intricacies of special teams, but

1943
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 10: they're there because they they can mess some stuff up

1944
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 10: in a in a big in a big hurry. And

1945
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 10: so as I'm bare wrestling Fisk, Nate Laman comes out

1946
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 10: of the post and hits me dead in the side

1947
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 10: of the head, and I was like, I didn't sign

1948
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 10: up for this guy.

1949
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 9: Like it's fourth down, like just but.

1950
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it took two good ramps to handle you,

1951
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 3: j So credit to you. Yeah, trust me, I didn't

1952
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 3: make the play, so they did.

1953
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 9: They more than did their job.

1954
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 5: What about like who sticks out to you on tape?

1955
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 5: When you I know you've watched a lot of Seattle

1956
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 5: this year. You and Greg Olsen have been fascinated by

1957
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 5: the Seattle Seahawks team and kind of all the different

1958
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 5: ways they're doing things on offense, but also the way

1959
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 5: they're sort of neutralizing personnels on defense too. But who

1960
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 5: sticks out to that could really be an edge in

1961
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 5: this game? You and I have talked about special teams

1962
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 5: in Rashid Shi being a factor potentially here, But who,

1963
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 5: I wonder like in your study, who really sticks out

1964
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 5: as a possible like swing point for this game that

1965
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 5: maybe we aren't talking about.

1966
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 10: Well, I would say Rashid Shahid, Like we've played against

1967
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 10: him in New Orleans for the last four years. When

1968
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 10: he got traded, I was thrilled because we still had

1969
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 10: the Saints on the schedule two more times. Then I

1970
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 10: found out he was traded at Seahawks, and I was like, Oh,

1971
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 10: we're gonna have to play him, because what they're really

1972
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 10: doing is they're utilizing him not only in the return game,

1973
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 10: and we could talk about that for a long, long

1974
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 10: period of time, but they're using him in the past game,

1975
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 10: right Like so, Jackson Smith and Jigba got all the highlights,

1976
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 10: all the notoriety, and rightfully so. But what makes a

1977
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 10: team like Seattle the way they want to play so

1978
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 10: explosive is the middle part of the field gets exposed

1979
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 10: because you're simultaneously playing the run and if you have

1980
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 10: a guy like Shahed that can take the top off

1981
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 10: run by you, well, there naturally becomes these voids in

1982
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 10: the middle of the field, and that's where Jackson Smith

1983
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 10: and Jigba can light it up. Right, It's where you

1984
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 10: know the rams, that's where Puka Nakua does all of

1985
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 10: his damage. So even as you're seeing it right here,

1986
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, you're getting your best player running

1987
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 10: through the middle of the field with a lot of freedom.

1988
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 9: But that really works when you have your run game.

1989
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 10: With like Kenneth Walker going and someone like Shahed running

1990
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:33,799
Speaker 10: past everybody.

1991
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 9: You have to honor that speed.

1992
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 10: And certainly when Shahed was in New Orleans with Clint

1993
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 10: Kubiak last year before Derek Carr got hurt, that they

1994
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 10: were hitting everybody on bombs and throwing the ball over

1995
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 10: the head. They did it to us in Week one

1996
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty four, So you know, that was I

1997
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 10: thought at the time that was the best trade of

1998
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:52,839
Speaker 10: the trade deadline.

1999
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:56,560
Speaker 9: A fourth and a fifth from a team that was

2000
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 9: rebuilding in New Orleans.

2001
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 10: They send Shaheed to a team that's go to be

2002
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 10: in the playoffs, and that fits their style run play action,

2003
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 10: and they really want to hurt you on the play

2004
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 10: action pass.

2005
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 9: That's the way they're designed.

2006
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 10: That's the way Kubiak had it in New Orleans again

2007
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 10: before before Car got hurt.

2008
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 9: You could just see it coming.

2009
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 10: And I mean that's not even talking about Shaheed and

2010
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 10: the thing he does best, which is return kicks. And

2011
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 10: we saw it last week versus versus San Francisco and

2012
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 10: my old buddy Eddie Pinera tried to slide kick him.

2013
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 9: Didn't work. He's gonna run right past everybody.

2014
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 10: He's he's the best in the game, and so they

2015
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 10: also have an offensive role for him, which makes him

2016
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 10: a perfect fit there in Seattle.

2017
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Jaj, I need to ask you this because it's been

2018
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 2: a long held belief of mine that special teams coaches

2019
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 2: can get scapegoaded and head coaches sometimes rage quit on them.

2020
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: You played the Rams in the Chase, in the Chase

2021
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 2: Blackburn era, and then after the Chase Blackburn era, you

2022
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 2: were you were, you were there. You know with coach

2023
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 2: Rivera when he parted ways with the Special teams coordinator,

2024
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 2: does it do anything other than alter your life as

2025
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 2: a Special Times player?

2026
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,680
Speaker 3: And what are we to take?

2027
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 2: Was there a difference in the Rams on special Teams

2028
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 2: with them without their Special Teams coordinator?

2029
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, we didn't see a dramatic difference in how they played.

2030
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,480
Speaker 10: Certainly there was not a huge difference from Week sixteen

2031
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 10: to effectively week nineteen. You can only do so much

2032
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 10: as a coach, right you have basically the same players. Strategically,

2033
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 10: it looked like they were playing more defensive safe, putting

2034
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 10: their big eyes on the field in terms of punt

2035
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 10: return so much of special teams also comes down to

2036
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 10: the specialists. A lot was made obviously of Josh Carty

2037
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 10: missing a bunch of kicks. Is that the special teams

2038
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 10: coach is that the kicker? Is that just a stroke

2039
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 10: of bad luck? I think that happens more than we

2040
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 10: care to admit. Like I've known Chase Blackburn in particular

2041
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 10: for fourteen I played with him. He was a personal protector.

2042
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 10: I played next to him. He's been my coach, he's

2043
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 10: been in a he's done everything. I think he's one

2044
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 10: of the best teachers of football that I've ever been around.

2045
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 10: But the Rams have struggled on special teams, and they've

2046
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,839
Speaker 10: really struggled for quite a while, in large part because

2047
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 10: their team is built with a ton of really good

2048
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 10: football players, and sometimes special teams kind of requires the

2049
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 10: athletic freaks that don't have natural positions, and the Rams

2050
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 10: prioritize on their team really good football players. They might

2051
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 10: not be the most athletic team at every position, but

2052
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 10: a ton of really smart guys that know their role,

2053
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 10: and that's how the team's built. And it's also kind

2054
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 10: of built around don't mess it. Up, like you can

2055
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 10: just tell on tape there get the ball back to

2056
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 10: Stafford right after. That's kind of how they're built, right,

2057
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 10: and so philosophically that is always going to be a

2058
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 10: little bit of a problem.

2059
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: Now.

2060
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 10: Harrison Nevis, who was here in Carolina last year as

2061
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 10: an undrafted rookie, he's calmed down a ton of the

2062
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 10: stuff on the field goal side. I think he's missed

2063
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 10: one time. He obviously hit the game winner last week.

2064
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 10: That's that sort of calmed some stuff down. Jake McQuaid

2065
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 10: and another long snapper, old Head has calmed everything down

2066
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 10: and they're playing more conservative. You're not going to see

2067
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 10: a ball in play this week from the Rams to Shaheed.

2068
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 10: They're just going to hit a touch back on every time.

2069
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 4: And scared to compete.

2070
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, not exactly the dynamic kickoff that everyone had in mind.

2071
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 10: But again, I think a lot of teams are kicking

2072
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 10: away from Shaheed after last week. But you know, he

2073
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 10: has three I think he has three returns since he

2074
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 10: got to Seattle. But yeah, that's Seattle's different. They've built

2075
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 10: a lot around their special teams, and I think that's

2076
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 10: also a little bit of the difference between an offensive

2077
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 10: head coach and a defensive head coach. Defensive head coaches

2078
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,719
Speaker 10: are just naturally a little bit more aggressive on teams.

2079
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 10: Offensive coaches are going to be a little bit more

2080
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 10: conservative because most of the big plays are we're trying

2081
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 10: to get the ball back, and so you see that

2082
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 10: across all of all the teams. I think you're just

2083
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 10: seeing a little bit more on display with McVeigh versus

2084
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 10: you know, McDonald.

2085
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: I love the perspective. JJ Janssen has been in the

2086
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: NFL long enough that his rookie season, his quarterback was

2087
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,759
Speaker 1: Jake DeLoone. He was with the Jake delom era, Jimmy

2088
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: class and era through the Cam Newton heydays. He was

2089
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: there for the Donald Baker year. I sort of memory

2090
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 1: hold that there was a Teddy Bridgewater year which was

2091
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: very near and dear to my heart. I thought he

2092
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: played better that yours.

2093
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 9: A Kyle Allen here, there was.

2094
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: A Kyle Allen. I was there watching you in person

2095
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: in a seven interception game in London with Kyle Allen

2096
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: and Jamis Winston. A lot of good time.

2097
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 10: Jamis Jamis through touchdowns to everybody both teams that day.

2098
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,520
Speaker 1: It was an exciting day for the for the fans overseas.

2099
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot. You're again, We're comfortable.

2100
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: JJ's part of the team here. We're going to end

2101
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: the show with you. But before we do that, I'm

2102
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 1: going to go around and get everyone's picks, because we

2103
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 1: didn't earlier and Jordan doesn't like to make picks. I

2104
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: don't famous, So I'm going to start with you and

2105
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: not even let you marinate on them. You have to

2106
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: make your picks great.

2107
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 5: You love hurting you love hurting me. Greg No that

2108
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 5: I have to pick the Rams. I picked the Rams

2109
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 5: All Year Team, near and dear to my heart.

2110
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Right, okay, and the and the AFC too. We skipped

2111
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 1: the AFS.

2112
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm picking the Broncos. I picked the Broncos. If

2113
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 5: the Broncos defense scores a touchdown, well, what is that

2114
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 5: I learned from the best. That's not the best hedging.

2115
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 1: I would say that of every team that's playing this weekend,

2116
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, give me a touchdown off the bat.

2117
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 5: No, the Broncos defense specifically has to make up for

2118
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 5: Jared Stidham, your hero on this So if the so

2119
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 5: your Broncos defense scores a touchdown, I am picking.

2120
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: The bro okay. So and if they don't score a touchdown,

2121
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: you're picking the Patriots. Yes, I am okay, I'll accept

2122
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:52,440
Speaker 1: that that specific.

2123
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no conditions. Uh, super rematch Rams Patriots.

2124
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we're getting We're getting a potential Super Bowl rematch

2125
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: almost in any scenario.

2126
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 10: And then, JJ, I you if the Rams offense scores

2127
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 10: five touchdowns, I'm picking the Rams.

2128
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 1: Can I do that? That's good because it makes fun

2129
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: of Jordan's and that is what I'm looking for.

2130
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 9: I like the Rams. I like the Rams and the Patriots.

2131
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 10: I think I think Stidham's actually going to play well,

2132
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 10: but I think the Patriots are the more complete teams.

2133
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 9: So I got Rams Patriots.

2134
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel confident in the Patriots. And yet, because

2135
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 1: you're I'm never going to pick against them in this spot.

2136
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: And I took the Rams before the playoffs started. It

2137
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: my head says Seahawks. And and yet I do think

2138
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: they're that somehow we're going to get the best effort

2139
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: out of the Rams in this game. That the effort

2140
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: we really haven't seen since the first three quarters in Seattle.

2141
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: But who knows. These are great, great games. Thank you

2142
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: so much JJ for joining us.

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Speaker 9: We thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: We'll release you into the Carolina Night to celebrate your birthday,

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Speaker 1: and we'll release Sarah our listeners too. It's been a

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Speaker 1: long one. We appreciate it's been a great week of shows,

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Speaker 1: but we're not done yet. We will be back. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to do the days in my head. Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get the picks for myself and Cynthia Freeland,

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Speaker 1: and knowing how this coaching carousel has been going, we

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Speaker 1: might do some coaching news as well. We'll see that