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Speaker 1: Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio all Right. So,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of Darius Rutgers episode, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that we here at QLs via Questlove Supreme or The

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Show has had a bonafide, bonafide country music

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Speaker 1: artists in our presence. I've had the pleasure of playing

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Speaker 1: drums with our guest today at of all places, the

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Speaker 1: Essence Festival. I knew then that I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: her as a guest on the show. Our guest today

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Speaker 1: has definitely created a lane for herself where I guess

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Speaker 1: one seemingly really didn't exist, and one fast needs me

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Speaker 1: about her story is not just you know, all the

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Speaker 1: accolades that she's had, the Grammy nominations, or the TV appearances,

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Speaker 1: the high profile appearances magazine covers, YadA, YadA, YadA, But

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Speaker 1: it's it's the journey that sometimes the path to finding

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Speaker 1: your voice means that you got to get it, you know,

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Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone and step into a space

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Speaker 1: that wasn't exactly built with you in mind, and deciding

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Speaker 1: that you're going to own that space and be there anyway,

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Speaker 1: and that you know, there's a lot of commonality. I

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Speaker 1: guess I felt commonality just in my experiences, so I

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Speaker 1: definitely wanted to have this conversation. And her music, especially

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Speaker 1: with songs like black Like Me Remember her Name, of course,

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Speaker 1: sparked conversations that country music is basically has been on

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Speaker 1: my sideline view a sort of avoiding. She miraculously hosted

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Speaker 1: the the CMAS. Oh ACMs, I'm sorry, it's all.

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Speaker 2: They all sound the same. There's ACMs and the CMAS,

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Speaker 2: the Academy of Country Music Awards, and I did.

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Speaker 1: Not know the difference between. Yeah, okay, I got it.

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Speaker 1: Of course I was there to watch her seeing the

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Speaker 1: national anthem at the super Bowl. She's built a global audience.

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Speaker 1: We're definitely talking about China, something that was not on

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Speaker 1: my Bengo card. We're just going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: journey of our guest today, the one and only Mickey Guyden.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on the Quest Loft Show. How

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Speaker 3: are you there?

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Speaker 2: I am so good. You know I am a huge

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Speaker 2: Quest Love fan, so it is an honor to be

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Speaker 2: able to sit here and speak with you. Really, you

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Speaker 2: are a legend in my household.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: So right now, where are you speaking to us from?

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Speaker 1: Are you at home or on the road?

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Speaker 2: Where you actually in Los Angeles, California. I'm taking a

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Speaker 2: little bit of break since I've been and I came

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Speaker 2: back from China, so I'm here in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, Well, I'll just ask, and I guess

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be surprised, being as though for the last

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Speaker 1: thirty years, I can definitely say that the roots have

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Speaker 1: been like at least in twelve very specific places like

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln cent or whatever, like where we're the first

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Speaker 1: yeah pop act to be there. You know, you think,

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Speaker 1: like so late in the game, like how are the

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Speaker 1: haven't played? But I'm in surprise as a bound. What

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Speaker 2: Or just absolutely nothing? There is nothing in common. I guess.

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Speaker 2: The biggest country song in China is Country Roads take

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Speaker 2: Me Home by John Dimver. That song, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: is massive out there. A lot of people learned English

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Speaker 2: listen to that song, so that song is very endearing

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Speaker 2: to the people out there. But even how I even

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Speaker 2: random and I would never ever ever do something like this,

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're the contestant. You're not the job I was.

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Speaker 1: I was not.

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Speaker 2: I was a contestant. Chante Moore did it the year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, jesse J did it in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So even established people can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the craziest thing. It gives you all whole

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Speaker 1: So who presented this opportunity to you?

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Speaker 2: They found me, they asked yes, And at first I

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Speaker 2: I thought it was?

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Speaker 2: I was like, there's no waya what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: And when I saw that Chantey Moore did it, I

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Speaker 1: So what was the results? Did you see an instant change?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's a change. And the audience that

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Speaker 2: Every week I was singing in front of like about

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Speaker 2: And I think every single artist should do that if

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Speaker 1: Asia is like our third biggest market. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 3: You know you're pioneering.

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Speaker 2: And I've had you to be likeas.

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Speaker 1: No other country artists have ever considered doing the show

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Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Could you tell me

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Speaker 3: The Bulls are still alive?

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Speaker 1: Okay, And mind you, So this is one of the

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Speaker 1: know everything about your career, but I also I'm hyper

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Speaker 1: aware and I think there's another commonality that we might have,

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Speaker 1: Like oftentimes, when you're in a position in your career,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you for wanting to do that,

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Speaker 2: So my family they used to make this meal back

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Speaker 3: What song reminds you of high school dances?

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Speaker 2: No, No, what is it called? I Want to Be Here?

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Speaker 1: You know? I Want to be Yes by Roger Trautman.

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Speaker 2: Yes. I never danced to it in a high school

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Speaker 1: You know, being as though I went to school with

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Speaker 2: I think I did either. Actually all the times like homecoming.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to show you a picture of a mom.

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Speaker 2: And like the bigger it was, the more that guy

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Speaker 2: That's that's the status thing. If you had a big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, give your dressed everything you had Homecoming king,

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Speaker 2: Okay, people in the South know what I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: In high school, who is your celebrity crush?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I definitely had a crush on Probably Kobe Bryant. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I loved that group. Immature but Marcus Houston.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, nice? Or then they became immature Yeah yeah clever?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, did you have an embarrassing all or

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Speaker 2: My parents were super super strict with us. I never

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Speaker 2: Don't you hate that? Like there was like so much

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Speaker 1: he's like, Dad, quest like, when did you become a suit? Which, like,

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Speaker 2: No, no, I really and it wasn't cut school the

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, one time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, why did you have to cut?

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have to, so I became I ran

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay and I were.

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Speaker 2: Really great friends and we cut school that one day.

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Speaker 1: Oh just one early, an extra hour, you don't have

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Speaker 2: So yes, like the door hinges are coming off, Like

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Speaker 1: Oh no, privacy your parents before they did that to

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Speaker 2: Don't even remember. I was probably on the phone past

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Speaker 3: Got you. Yeah, yeah, wow, terrible dude.

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Speaker 1: You know how many times Tarik would call the house

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Speaker 1: like Tarika knows. Everyone knows not to call my house

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom and dad were very much on that too.

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Speaker 1: But like Tik would routinely called me to like play

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Speaker 3: It'd be like ten oh one or whatever, and together

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Speaker 2: I thought my husband, I got the exact opposite, Like

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Speaker 2: We first met when I was nineteen. He's my best

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think about him like that. But he

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Speaker 1: Thought And then here was always the person that you

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Speaker 1: I do too. I like what that has never worked

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Speaker 2: Favorite I mean you never nothing worked out of my favor,

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Speaker 1: Is there a fashion trend that you regret ever following

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like when everyone was wearing those super

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Speaker 2: I was like that, you're from Texas?

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Speaker 3: Were you a walking house of dairion?

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Speaker 2: I couldn't afford the house of airon? Okay, Like that

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, yeah, you're playing the seeds of manifestation. So

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Speaker 3: Man let it out, let it out.

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Speaker 2: There was this like I was just very much so

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Speaker 2: nationalism thing that was going on, like that all weren't.

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Speaker 1: Well, my god, the parents were raised by their parents,

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Speaker 2: You have if you have not seen this documentary, it

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Speaker 2: called Jesus Camp. It is on. If you I'm it

443
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: will like make your eyes start twitching because of like

444
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm like I was in that like the vacation Bible.

445
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: School, you know, yeah, summertime.

446
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: They would try to have us organized trips to Haiti

447
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: to become like future missionaries, praying.

448
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: To God like I am the sinner Lord. I'm six, Yeah,

449
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: I am a sinner Lord, Like, forgive these thoughts in

450
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: my head.

451
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how I got out of it.

452
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: They took me out of it.

453
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: So when Tarika and I finally got our first record

454
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: deal and I came to church, like right when like

455
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: our videos started to get played on like MTV, and

456
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: the elders of the church I could tell by the

457
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: the little judgment will look on their eyes. They were like,

458
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: so a mirror are you uplifting the Lord in the

459
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: this music of yours? Yes?

460
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: I am.

461
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: If ever, there was a symbolic version of check please.

462
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that moment for me where you know,

463
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: I'm glad.

464
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: I had that moment like literally, see this is the

465
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: thing you're You're not, You're you're pioneering. But I think

466
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 1: the reason why you resonate with a lot of us

467
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: is because like we see ourselves in your journey instantly,

468
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: Like anything to do with someone that's isolated in a

469
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: very specific situation, I hone in for it because I

470
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: know that feeling. I know that feeling of you know,

471
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: of code switching. My code switching has to code switch.

472
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: And this is not even just in hostile environments, in

473
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: liberal environments, in black environments, in my family environment.

474
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: No, I'm not selling out.

475
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm still you know, like there's so many things that

476
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: I I have to do, so I understand those things.

477
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: Oh wait, when did you move to Los Angeles?

478
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: So I moved right out of high school. Right out

479
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: of high school, I was nineteen, and.

480
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: You were that compelled to like go out and follow

481
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: your dreams. Yeah, but what was it about La that

482
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: called you the sun?

483
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was the you know, I looked

484
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: at like all the different places where music was. I

485
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: looked at Atlanta, I looked at New York, and I

486
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: looked at Los Angeles. Nashville was not even a thought

487
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: for me, and so I saw that as the easiest

488
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: of the three as far as music because I didn't

489
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: want to be in Atlanta because that was still too

490
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: close to the South for me, and I was just

491
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: kind of running from Texas from the religious.

492
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, Okay, you're from Texas. And I've

493
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: gone on record to say that if there was any

494
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: place in the world if I had to move and

495
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: leave the northeast Philly, New York that's my home base, Austin,

496
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: Texas would actually be my second choice. Yeah, clearly. See.

497
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: And I hate the term liberal because you're human, Yes,

498
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: you're You're a non impressive human, even in those blue

499
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: friendly cities like Austin that never appealed to you, like

500
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: let me just move.

501
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: To Well, Austin at that time didn't even have the

502
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: music scene that it has now, Like the scene now

503
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: is like it's like it blew up, like Nashville. Like

504
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: Austin and Nashville at the time, I guess the reason why,

505
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: like Nashville was even called music city, was not because

506
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: of country music those two cities at the time, Like

507
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: from my recollection, I wasn't hearing like music scene like that.

508
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: But clearly you felt some sort of oppressive Yeah, anything

509
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: in Texas.

510
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: I was like, get me out, just get me out.

511
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Got you And you know there was acting and stuff

512
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: like that too, Like there was just an entertainment hub

513
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: that I felt like, Oh, I could do something there.

514
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: How was secular music received in your household? Now, most

515
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: people in your profession were not allowed to listen to

516
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: anything secular.

517
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: Oh that was me same, Okay.

518
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: I had to listen to don't say DC talk No,

519
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: absolutely not, absolutely not, and we like that's a whole

520
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: other thing too, man. But you know I listened to

521
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: a lot like BB and C. C Widens were heavily

522
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: on rotation, a like envy and that leads to Whitney.

523
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: So you can sneak your way to yeah, like I.

524
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Snuck it a little bit. My grandma was a huge

525
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: like she loved Dolly Pardon, So when I would go

526
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: were her house, she would have Dolly Pardon, Kenny Rogers

527
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: VHS tapes hanging on the back of the door, along

528
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: with roots. So that's what I would watch what I

529
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: wentever her house, okay, and so then I discovered Brandy.

530
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Obviously you like the nineties. What a time, What a time.

531
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: There were so many just great great songs and great music.

532
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Okay, this will always wanted to know

533
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: are real singers allowed to do karaoke?

534
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: And are you a karaoke person?

535
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely? But I don't really sing, yes, I say, are

536
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: you a supporter?

537
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: No?

538
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: No, no no no.

539
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: I cannot stand going to karaoke and you have that

540
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: one person that is like.

541
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: And you gotta kill shit. Yeah, when someone someone kills

542
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: shit at karaoke, that's.

543
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: Not fun, like you root it for everybody.

544
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: I like karaoke.

545
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: When someone can't sing.

546
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: It's the best. My go to is Britney Spears, all right,

547
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: So Britney is your Britney Spears is my that's your

548
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: go to, She's my go to?

549
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: What's song?

550
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes? Oops? I did it again? Those are like and

551
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: I want you a whole voice, like it's a that yeah,

552
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I don't. You can't. You don't. You don't

553
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: really sing karaoke like that just ruins it to me.

554
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that most singers, professional singers tell you

555
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: like you got to sing from your gut? Is her

556
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: thing more of a nasal throat thing, Like can you

557
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: tell when a singer singing from their gut versus I'm

558
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: always hearing that.

559
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: You can is gut and throw to me.

560
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: Well, she has to come in the door like the

561
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: kool aid man.

562
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: Yes, she ends somewhere of the Rainbow Battle of bel

563
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Version as her first note instead of you know, you know.

564
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: The last note right right, Britney spears is. I don't

565
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: think it's nasal. I think it's in her throat. It's

566
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: so much air, So I think.

567
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: There's do you know why that's a rule, Like when

568
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: vocal trainers or coaches say, you know, you must sing

569
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: for me a diaphragm as opposed to your throat, Like

570
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: are you just never supposed to sing from your throat?

571
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: Or people say it's amateur hour if you're singing from

572
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: your throat and not your diaphragm.

573
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I'm not a jessej type singer,

574
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't want to. I don't

575
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: know what's right. I think whatever sounds amazing and what

576
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: you feel, you know, I'm you know, I'm not a

577
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: technical singer, like that. So I think, whatever you feel.

578
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: I think there's so many different great voices, whether you

579
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: can belt or not right, that I think are so great.

580
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: Like there's some people that just have incredible tones and vocals.

581
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: Like I was just thinking about ammelru before we even.

582
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: Like, ah everything, she's a great, man, She's.

583
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh great, Like I think she has such a combination

584
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: of everything, like the tone, the throat, the belt, all

585
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: of it, the notes.

586
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: In high school, she was killing it man, like she's like,

587
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: what was that song that.

588
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: She released that like had everybody to choke holden like

589
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and four.

590
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: So many, like I know one of her.

591
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: It's a song that always gets played at weddings. Well,

592
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's see I'm a deep cut person. Yes,

593
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: So even though like there's for real like and uh

594
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: am I now blinking on all male songs.

595
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: We're all blanking. It's fine.

596
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh get up, make me hold make me whold was

597
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: always my.

598
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Favorite, really really really good.

599
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she really gets to display her for real for real.

600
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Yes, But like also I think with singers, like the

601
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: filler songs are where they really get to display what

602
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: they are because oftentimes if it's the single or whatever,

603
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: you have to sort of follow this, Yeah, this restrictive

604
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: rule of what is compatible for radio and public consumption,

605
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: and then the other seven songs you could do whatever

606
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: you want to do. Like that's I.

607
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: Judge people based on their their singles.

608
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, what song?

609
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Are you.

610
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Not embarrassed? But what song do you love?

611
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: That is like, oh god, people will kill me if

612
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: they know, like I love the song so much?

613
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Or oh man, you know Jesse McCartney had me in

614
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: h oh my god.

615
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: Yes, what was it about Jesse McCartney?

616
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: He had that one song, I don't want a pretty face.

617
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: I want anyone I my love to go ways. Oh

618
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: you because you're beautiful.

619
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: That song is so and it could be a country

620
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: song now, which is crazy.

621
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: So beautiful soul is your Yeah.

622
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: I love beautiful soul. I even loved this really that

623
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: that freaking one wish by Ray J.

624
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Did you watch Versus? That was one for the history books?

625
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's he used to be a crush of

626
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: mind when I was little, Like I would watch Brandy

627
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: music videos just to see her brother.

628
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: Really, I'm going to tell you something.

629
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: If one thing absolutely in sentences me that people really

630
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: aren't up on, well, you know, I say this all

631
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: the time about Brandy's first album. Brandy's first album was such.

632
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: One of the most incredible.

633
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: It was a game changer simply because like I think

634
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: that most people think that you know that okay, kids

635
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: or teenage music should be more bubblegum based or whatever.

636
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: And she was breaking like so many harmony rules that

637
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: like I only reserved for.

638
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: People like Prince Oh. I'm like, yo, what does this

639
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen year old know about?

640
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know you could do like chromatic

641
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: background vocals and even the first song on the first album.

642
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: So when ray J got a deal, was that baby?

643
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: Was that baby? That was the first song? Right?

644
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: No?

645
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: No, well, no, no, no, I mean the first song

646
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: on the first album, which is moving on, Oh, moving on.

647
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: Every go round she would add a different harmony on

648
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: top of it. So by the end of it, you know,

649
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: we were sitting in the vanlight, yo. Like the roots

650
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: were very much the musical snobbery that everyone thought we

651
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: were in the first five years, like judging everyone I

652
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: maintained on tintoes that you know, when we first heard

653
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: Mary jay Blige Is My Life, we were angry. We

654
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: were like, wait a minute, like singers aren't allowed to

655
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: sing over stuff we rap over, Like why she singing

656
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: over beats? Like where's the where's the bridge, where's the arrangement,

657
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: where's the coder, where's the modulation? Like I'm I was ready, Yeah,

658
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm ready for like singers have to be in the

659
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: box of real music, whereas rappers get to take from

660
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: records and sample it and so yeah, like it took

661
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: about a month for us to really get over the

662
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: fact that Mary J. Blige is singing over stuff that

663
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: we would go for first, and I just thought that

664
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: was like against the rule, like you're not supposed to

665
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: do that. But ray J's first record, man, the one

666
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: that came out in yeah, yeah, like it was such

667
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: an incredible album that got.

668
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: Ignored and.

669
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: One song what did he have? Oh my god?

670
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: Well we had a single called let It Go, which

671
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: was just it was killing. But because it would like

672
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: literally it was like if the roots got to produce

673
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: somebody like that would have been the album. Keith Crouch,

674
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: Andre Crouch's nephew, produced both ray J and Brandy's first album,

675
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: and they just changed so many rules, like I consider

676
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: those like really like neo soul, like pre neo soul

677
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: albums before there was a tag on it, like in

678
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: ninety five. Like, I consider those records and I just

679
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: hate that though, that he really put out an incredible

680
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: debut that the world won't.

681
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: Get to know.

682
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: Like I think, I always remembered him for his ad libs.

683
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: He was so good at his ad libs. That was

684
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: something that I always remembered because you know, like a

685
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: singer is like you have to be able to add

686
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: lib to songs. I even remember maybe there was an

687
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: interview like back in the day where Brandy was like,

688
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: you know, I get a lot of that from like

689
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: ray J. He helps me with that, And I was like,

690
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: what really, but that could be I could be missmemborying.

691
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: So don't quote me on that.

692
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I'll ask you because usually Okay, So I'm

693
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: always in a situation where if I'm backing someone and

694
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: we get to the last course of the song, you know,

695
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: God bless the soul. D'Angelo would be the type of

696
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: guy that he would never run out of riffs or anything.

697
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: And I always wonder is there an anxiety? Is there

698
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: an anxiety in the last thirty seconds of a song

699
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: in which oh yeah, you're supposed to ad lib and

700
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, do some vocal acrobags. Now, it's one thing

701
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: if you're in a nowhere town, if you're in Kalamazoo,

702
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: Michigan or.

703
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: Whatever, Yeah, like who's watching you?

704
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: But if you're in the Grammys, the anxiety and it's

705
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: like singing in front of people like you or like Brandy, So,

706
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: how do you.

707
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Get out of your head before?

708
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm never out of my head ever? Like that is

709
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: a huge anxiety for me. I would like it is

710
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: a huge thing for me. Really, Yeah, I'm a very

711
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: insecure person.

712
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: So do you have a a pre show routine? Like

713
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: two hours before show? What is happening?

714
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: Is it quiet backstage?

715
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: Is it about fifteen minutes before the show? I need

716
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: it quiet, Like I just need to like thinking about

717
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: a point in my life where like you just have

718
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: to let things go, like we as artists, Like I

719
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: can't imagine being someone like Beyonce, who is literally the

720
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: biggest artist in the world, and her pushing through and

721
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, you always hear stuff, but

722
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: I hear like how how high the bar is set

723
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: for her? I can't imagine living like that and wanting

724
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: that perfection.

725
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: As a front person. Is it harder.

726
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Singing the song or the in between song banter with

727
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: the audience?

728
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: What is I can talk now if you need me

729
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: to talk, if you need if there's an awkward moment,

730
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: anything like that where I need to fill something in

731
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: while they're figuring, you know, a technical difficulty or something

732
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: like that. Like I'm cool with that. As far as

733
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: bantering is concerned. I'm pretty good at like talking to

734
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: people in the audience to this day.

735
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: And you would think, you know, I've written books and

736
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: odd stuff, but when it comes to giving speeches or

737
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: just like small talk with with an audience, even DJing,

738
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Like I don't think once I've ever said I mean

739
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: I quiet now DJ, and I know, well, I'm just unicating.

740
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I feel as the magic sauce for how we get

741
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: to know you, you know. Yeah, And so sometimes.

742
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: That's crazy because you're like talking with you on here,

743
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: like you're really fun to talk to.

744
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: You're talking to a six year old, like there's life

745
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: from when I was born in the seventies and then

746
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the old me went away and then new

747
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: me showed up in twenty twenty when the pandemic happened and.

748
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: It's sort of crazy. Like I think everybody there was

749
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: like a new oh the me in twenty twenty, everybody,

750
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: you know, for.

751
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: The first two years, I had a shame of I

752
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: mean just in general, I think as humans, we are

753
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: programmed to feel bad for feeling good. Anything that makes

754
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: us feel good, there's guilt. There's guilt we feel yeah,

755
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it probably took me two years just

756
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: to get over that hump and get to there.

757
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think all of this.

758
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: Changed during the Yeah, that's so crazy that you're saying

759
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: that about the like feel bad for feeling good, because

760
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: right now I'm taking like I've had some personal issues

761
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: that I've been dealing with in my family to the

762
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: point where I've just had to like take a beat.

763
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: I knew I needed to take a minute because I

764
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: didn't have any thoughts in my head right like nothing,

765
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: like you know, usually if I'm working, if I'm doing whatever,

766
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm keeping myself up till you know, four am, and

767
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: I still will wake up at four am like clockwork.

768
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why that is, but I would have

769
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: just like thoughts of like how I could be better. Oh,

770
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm shit that what I did that day or like

771
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: all these constant thoughts and now nothing like I have

772
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: nothing like, no ideas, no nothing. And I knew that

773
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: that's when I needed to take a minute. I have

774
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: been nesting, I have been decorating. I got a fish.

775
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are you a cat person or

776
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: a dog?

777
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: I have two cats, two dogs, a fish named Titan.

778
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: He's a little beta fish that I really like. And

779
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: I've been feeling really good, and I was like, should

780
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: I be feeling like this? Should I be like I

781
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: need to be doing this. I need to be figuring

782
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: these things out and where my next opportunity is at

783
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: and what I can do to be better and what's

784
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: this next thing list in my head? And it's okay

785
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: to just take a minute.

786
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: You're actually doing the right thing, all right. So this

787
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: is a question I'm in dying to ask. So we

788
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: are about a year and a half, maybe two years

789
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: post what I would call a Cowboy Carter deluge or

790
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: watershed moment. There's at least a group chat, like in

791
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: my mind, the best of my imagination is that there's

792
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of a secret X Men, super Friends of r

793
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: v S HVD or Pretty Spencer and Willie Jones and

794
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Camee Brown, Chaboozi and you and Yola and all the

795
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: throw Darius in there and the shout out to those

796
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: who I didn't commit to memory. But the post Cowboy

797
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Carter moment shining a light on you guys. Now I've

798
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: heard of you pre Cowboy Carter. You know, I just

799
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: thought it was Charlie Pride and Darius Rutgers. I didn't

800
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: think that black people were in the country, even though

801
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: I know the banjil came from Africa and all those things.

802
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: So are there any artists.

803
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Bubbling under that you're aware of that we should be

804
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: looking out for and has that moment in which getting

805
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: that exposure to a whole new world?

806
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: Like, was that a real thing? Was it as real

807
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: as I thought.

808
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: It was, as we all thought it was. But in

809
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: the same breath, it's just real as we thought it was.

810
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: You know, there was the overwhelming veil that was lifted

811
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: that shows that country music stills are ready to accept,

812
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, the way that the country music community accepted

813
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: Post Malone versus you know, Beyonce versus Shaboozi, Like those

814
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: are very eye opening things, you know, Little nas X two.

815
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: But it seems like you know, but it does seem like,

816
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a tale as old as time.

817
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Like black women, no matter how successful you are, no

818
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: matter how powerful you are, they will accept a black

819
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: man or a white man obviously from whatever, more than

820
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: they'll accept a black woman. Like that's just it just

821
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: is you know you have I mean, prime example is

822
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: like Jasmine Crockett trying to be a senator. She's well overqualified. Yes,

823
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: I know this, but still people can't accept or fathom

824
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: black leadership from a woman in.

825
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: Norther Do they know that black women were single handedly

826
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the reason why the very few wins that we got

827
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: in democracy was that I was part.

828
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: Of the ninety two percent.

829
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: I was.

830
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: I was on in the middle of tour, and I

831
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: flew where I was registered to vote just to make

832
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: sure that I could vote, and flew back and do

833
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: what I had to do. And that was, like, I mean,

834
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: that's very indicative in this Beyonce, Cowboy Carter and post

835
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: Malone argument. I mean, granted, Post Malone did really go

836
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: through the Nashville channels, and I don't know if that

837
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: would be different for Beyonce, but Beyonce doesn't have to

838
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: Beyonce doesn't do literally whatever she wants to do.

839
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: You're going to be an amazing support system for people,

840
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: you know that come after. And you know often I

841
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: say that being a pioneer, like there's two people in

842
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: the industry in my opinion, the pioneer and then the

843
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: person that comes after the pioneer. Yeah, I guess just

844
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: gets to enjoy all this. And you're you're in the

845
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: back the carpentry, you're laying. That's the red carpet down

846
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: and right you're you're laying you're laying the foundation.

847
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: There was a person laying the foundation before me. You know,

848
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: there was Linda Martel. She laid the foundation before me.

849
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: You know I.

850
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: You still feel it.

851
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Yes, very much. So again, we don't I don't want

852
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: to make this about that because this has.

853
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 3: Been We don't, but I just always want to get known.

854
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: You have to be honest, I definitely. I think it's

855
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: very important to be honest with this whole conversation because

856
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: it has to be real. I mean, country music doesn't

857
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: barely accept women. I know, Like they'll say, oh we

858
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: have such and such and such and such as always

859
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: three and they just switch them out right. It's no

860
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: different if anything's even worse, and like the way that

861
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: you see this is such a hard conversation, but from

862
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: my observations, the way that this administration sees women is

863
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: the way that country music sees women, of course, and

864
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: the women that support the system.

865
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: The house master's tools, and the.

866
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: They support their oppressors, right, they fight for the system

867
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: more than anybody, and I can't help them. They've got

868
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: it if that's what they want to do, if they

869
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: want to continue to be oppressed, that is not on

870
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: me to be fighting for that.

871
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: Okay, So in a world where there is a remote control, yeah,

872
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: and you get to press pause and literally sneak into

873
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: the master's system and change just three things so that

874
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: when you press pause again, that becomes part of the

875
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: regular fiber and memories are erased. What three things do

876
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: you desire to change that I'm not aware of? And

877
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I am aware of it.

878
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: There's an underlying gate keep, and it's like the things

879
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 2: that happen between closed doors.

880
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: And so here's the weird thing, all right.

881
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: The foundation of all this is that my best friend

882
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: in high school and I started a band and we

883
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to be famous and play all the places

884
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: and all those things. And then, as I told you,

885
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: even before the pandemic, around twenty fifteen, this other thing

886
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: started to happen where I realized like, oh, I have

887
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: other talents. Yeah, And then for me the sort of

888
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: the arrival moment of me as a filmmaker, like my

889
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: whole imposter syndrome, like well, I'm really not a filmmaker,

890
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: and then like you went an oscar, then it's like,

891
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: oh shit, I might be a filmmaker. So suddenly I

892
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: started to get all the power I dreamed of having,

893
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: and the fame and all those things.

894
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: I got it for filmmaking.

895
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: But secretly I go home at night and cry, like

896
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: feel like a failure because I'm like, wait.

897
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: A minute, which is insane to me. I'm glad I'm not.

898
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: The only one though, Oh dude, the grass is always

899
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: green on the other side. So for me, it was

900
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: always like damn, what kind of world do we live in? Where, like,

901
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, I can call Spielberg like that and get

902
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: a meeting and get things to happen. But the world

903
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: knows me as this music savant. The world knows me

904
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: as this two hundred thousand record collecting master, music disciple

905
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: of the best musicians ever, Like, why can't I compile

906
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: fourteen songs on a particular album that will take me

907
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: to the place where Oh man, I wish I was

908
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: doing that, damn Like I want that opportunity. And it

909
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: took me the last six years to learn that I

910
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: was in my own way. But asking you this, I

911
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: also realized, and Jimmy jam taught me this is that

912
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: someone is going to have to infiltrate and sneak on

913
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: the inside to change the system. Yeah, the wavy system

914
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: is now, and you know, and I almost see the

915
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: country world as its own bubble it is. And I

916
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: watch you and I'm just like, man like the things

917
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: that she has to keep internally just to see her

918
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: career through so that she can get the power to

919
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: even change the system. I know, you have to go

920
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: through this unspeakable, isolated journey with yourself that probably not

921
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: even your husband get under and he's probably your best

922
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: friend in the world. Yeah, so is it worth it

923
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: to really step into the house of the system to

924
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: try to change it as yourself? Like do you what

925
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: do you have dreams of? As far as like the

926
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: legacy part.

927
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: Of this, you know, I get. I mean, it's kind

928
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: of like what you said, like I build the foundation

929
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: and then this person, which I mean I believe, like

930
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: Beyonce did, Like you know, I worked so hard for something.

931
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Beyonce did come through and she like shattered the ceiling.

932
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: She broke the ceiling like I was over there tapping

933
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: on it and she just like a rocket ship she

934
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: came and blasted that. But it's like there's one thing

935
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: I don't have the ability to do, and that's changed

936
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: the hearts of people, Like I can't. You can't change

937
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: the hearts of people. Like if that was something I

938
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: could go in there and like change, that would be it,

939
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: and I don't have the ability to do that.

940
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Do you see a generally difference in like for hip hop,

941
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely some rules of hip hop that I knew.

942
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: Gen X is not. Like gen X was very big

943
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: on this whole, like yo, dog, who's the gay rapper?

944
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: Like that was like such a major thing.

945
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Whereas like now in twenty twenty, like that's like, Yo,

946
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: how could we be so neanderthal and ask backwards to

947
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: make that our point of priority? But you know, I

948
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: realized it's generational and now that I'm looking at gen

949
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Z and soon it will be Jen Alpha and Jen Beta,

950
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: and you know, so on and so forth. Do you

951
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: see somewhat of a generational change for.

952
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: The better in younger people?

953
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Because also, if you grow up an impressive household, I

954
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: would imagine that.

955
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: At least something like country music is still like it

956
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: seems like I've stepped back in time. Like they say

957
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: country music is twenty years behind everyone else. I mean

958
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: in this case, maybe forty. Like they're still back with

959
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: our parents in the Git Bloomer.

960
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: Era, so it was nineteen seventy seven.

961
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: That's kind of how it feels. It feels like we're there.

962
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: It feels like we're still in nineteen you know, like

963
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: even like yeah, like nineteen ninety two with you know,

964
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: no secular music at all.

965
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Hopefully, when all said and done, like your career will at.

966
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: Least push us to the millennial god, I hope. So

967
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: hypothetical question, if the person you are right now could

968
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: travel back twenty years when you are a teenager seeing

969
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: your girlfriends on one of six in part promoting their

970
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: their music three l W Yeah, a group that you

971
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: were a founding member of. I don't want to know

972
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: what it felt like to sit there and watch them

973
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: on television kind of live your your jump start your dream.

974
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: It was wild.

975
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: But what would you now if you were given sixty

976
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: seconds to literally time travel I'm big on astro traveling

977
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and time traveling and dreaming. If you could go back

978
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: sixty seconds the first time you're watching three L promiseif

979
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: on on you don't know how much I love that song.

980
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: I love that song too. I'm not gonna lie I

981
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 2: really did. I listened to that song.

982
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: I did, but at the time, and look, I had

983
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: the same thing with Motown Philly. Motown Philly is coming

984
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: on every second. My dad was not making me feel

985
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: good about my life watching my schoolmates become these celebritials. Yeah, yeah,

986
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: and it's you know, like that that could have been

987
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: like he was very much a backstage debt like that.

988
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: What would you tell yourself in those sixty seconds.

989
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: That you don't know at the time, when you're watching

990
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: your girlfriend's air quote live the Dream, and that's.

991
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 2: Sixty seconds, I would say, just hang on, your time

992
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: will come. That you were kept from feeling like when

993
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: I watched it all go down, like watching what happened

994
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: to the toy? Like that could have been me.

995
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: Would you have been on Power.

996
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: No, well I would not have been no, no, no,

997
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: like when they broke up. No, no, I know, I know, yeah, no,

998
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: I would not have been on Power. Jory's got something

999
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: that I will never happen. That girl, right, that girl,

1000
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: she's got something that's just so amazing. But like I like,

1001
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: I hold on your time will come.

1002
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: But at the time when it was happening, were you like, oh, man, like,

1003
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: what the hell like this?

1004
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: It's so weird? Like I did feel I mean fomo

1005
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: was not a word, yes, but I did have fomo

1006
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 2: about it when I watched it. But I also felt

1007
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: really cool that I experienced a little bit of it.

1008
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: I was only in their group for a summer, Like

1009
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: I was not really in their group. I was like

1010
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: maybe a month, like I was not. It's like you

1011
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: can say and now I can say that now yes

1012
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: as a grown ass woman. Back back then, you know,

1013
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: it's so weird, Like it's hard to remember how I felt.

1014
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, hold on your time will come. That's what

1015
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: That's what I would say, hold on your time will come.

1016
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: What is your songwriting process like or at least in

1017
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: the in the road to getting your record deal and whatnot?

1018
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: How much agency are you given to really express how

1019
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: you feel? Because you know, again the way you enter

1020
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: my life.

1021
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: Everyone was like, yo, you're just something.

1022
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, they played black White Me and all these things.

1023
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: How autobiographical was better than you left me? Like? Is

1024
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: songwriting the release that, yes, you get because you can't.

1025
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: Express to us or feel safe to express to us.

1026
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: I have a really hard time with confrontation because you know,

1027
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: I grew up in that because I said so Era,

1028
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, I definitely was punished by a belt and

1029
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: I would never get to explain myself. I never got

1030
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: to express how I.

1031
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: Was feeling, only speaking when you're spoken to.

1032
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And I understand our parents, I mean,

1033
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: you're doing you're doing what you were told. But now

1034
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: if you're going to tell your kid to do something,

1035
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: there needs to be a wide and you need to

1036
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: explain it, and you need a lot of your kids

1037
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: to explain themselves. So because of that type of discipline,

1038
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't express myself in the moment well at all.

1039
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: If there's a confrontation, I shut down and I'm silent.

1040
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: Can I ask, do I get this a lot?

1041
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Do you get it?

1042
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: Accused of being passive aggressive?

1043
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh? Passive aggressive? Like you don't care. And like my husband,

1044
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: he's a lawyer, so he can express exactly how he

1045
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: feels at the very moment, and I am just like

1046
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: and I just shut down, and then people think that

1047
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: you don't care. And it's just that I need to

1048
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: process the fifteen things that you said to me. I

1049
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: need to go take a shower, and I need to

1050
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 2: talk to myself and speak out loud what I would say,

1051
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: and then I could come back to you. Sometimes I

1052
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: even have to put it in a note. I can't

1053
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: even speak it out. I have to write it down

1054
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: then read how I feel about it because I.

1055
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: Can't mickey like you.

1056
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm already fan, and I don't mean

1057
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: that just like I said, I was like, yeah, I'm

1058
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: a fan, but now I'm really shocked that the commonality

1059
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: thing is that it's confirmed things. I'm in a new

1060
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: relationship right now, so even then, you know, I'm trying

1061
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: to readjust this post therapy a mirror and learn how

1062
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: to communicate. And because I will hold a grudge, oh

1063
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: and I'll take it out.

1064
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: I will.

1065
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: I will take it out on myself before I take

1066
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: it out on other.

1067
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: People, because and that causes so much suffering.

1068
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: Oh real stelf like sickness. Yeah, that's where cancer comes from. Yes,

1069
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: and so wow, that's okay.

1070
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: So the one time I stood up for myself, like

1071
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: in front of the president of my label at the time,

1072
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: it took so much out of me. I was sick

1073
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: for two for three days. I couldn't get out of

1074
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: bed for three days because that release of energy was

1075
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: so overwhelming. Like I was sick, I was nauseated, sick.

1076
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: Was what was your label's response to first.

1077
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: Hearing they respected me. I didn't yell, I didn't do

1078
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: anything but the lead of me telling this this box,

1079
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: this white man that stop as a black woman, stop

1080
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: saying my songs are R and B when you are

1081
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: putting trap beats and all of your songs on country radio.

1082
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: Like stop it right now. Like you can never say

1083
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 2: that to me again, is what I said.

1084
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 3: Ah.

1085
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you.

1086
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: Remember your first professional gig.

1087
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first professional gig as far as touring, I

1088
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: had opened up for Brad Paisley and that was scary.

1089
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: How was that?

1090
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: It was amazing? Like he was fantastic, like one of

1091
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: the kindest human beings ever, like so lovely and but

1092
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: I remember, well, there was one point we were out.

1093
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 5: There and this guy was holding up this Confederate flag

1094
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Speaker 5: right up to him, and every time he came around,

1095
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Speaker 5: like you know, Brad would have to leave on the

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Speaker 5: other side that he wanted no part of it, Like

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Speaker 5: he wanted none of that, Like he hated it.

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Speaker 2: But I had to see it. You know, he felt horrible.

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Speaker 2: That's not how he thinks, that's not what he believes.

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Speaker 2: Like these Wow, let me tell you some of these people, man,

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01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: the hatred in their heart. I'm like, are you a

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: spawn of the devil? Like you're a spawn of Satan?

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Speaker 2: Have you?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So now in building your audience, is your audience truly

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Speaker 1: your audience?

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 3: Now?

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01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: Like is there Culy? Is my audience? Like I can

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: talk about Ady and everything. I've got a heavily gay audience. Okay,

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01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, like anybody that feels marginalized and accepted is

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Speaker 2: my my audience?

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Speaker 3: Are you the character and what are you going to

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Speaker 3: tell her?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, but the song was written by all women, and

1116
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Speaker 2: we're all the character of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know there's there's a composite, but it's

1118
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Speaker 1: one thing like there's some songwriters I know when which

1119
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, that they've not given up, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you hear the cynicism and their songwriting. But I mean

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: because of that six so almost closely with this could

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: be a dream deferred. This is yeah, like how do

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Speaker 1: you tell someone to hang on to a dream? But

1124
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: this could be a dream deferred? And I always wondered,

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Speaker 1: like even and you're pursuing that, like is I'm not

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: asking about your peer group, but even like with family

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: members or do you have a friend circle that.

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Speaker 3: You can lean on?

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Speaker 2: Like A yeah, actually one of those people that I

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Speaker 2: really lean on. And you know, I mean maybe we're

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01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: similar in this, but I don't trust a lot of

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Speaker 2: people because as soon as you give them who you

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: really are, people will never say that, they'll never do that,

1134
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: but they always use some of the hardest moments against you.

1135
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: And I would never do that to anybody. Like so

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: it's really hard for me to open up. I have

1137
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: a very very very few people that really really really

1138
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: know like my deepest insecurities, my.

1139
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: Vulnerabilities, all of them.

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Speaker 2: And one of those people over the years that I've

1141
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: that has gotten a lot of that that I've called

1142
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: crying before. And I don't like crying to people. The

1143
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: only person I'll do that too, is like my mom

1144
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: or like my dad. I hate crying in front of people,

1145
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: but that's Britney Spencer.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Well, I mean you're gonna look as a person

1147
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: who again like we to get out on ourselves first

1148
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: before we let the world see it. I highly recommend this.

1149
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: Like I've just allowed crying in baseball maybe like four

1150
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: years ago. Like no, but it was to the point

1151
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: where I didn't know how. Literally I literally didn't know

1152
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: how to cry, Like I was so good at at

1153
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah that literally I became world famous for just having

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: no emotions.

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01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: You know, but there's so many emotions you just like

1156
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: sometimes like and I'm at a point like even crying

1157
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: like in front of people, Like it's I have to

1158
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: be really really really really really really really upset, like

1159
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: to do that.

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Speaker 1: I got you, all right. My last three questions are

1161
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: you a bucket list person? And what is the bucket

1162
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: list that you really want to accomplish?

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Speaker 2: You know, I used to be a bucket list person,

1164
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: but I am not a bucket list person anymore, because.

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 3: There has to be a dream that you want achieve.

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01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I it's so weird. It's so weird.

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Speaker 2: Like I had all these you know, I thought I

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: had all these things I wanted to achieve, Like I

1169
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: was Grammy nominated while I was pregnant, and I was expecting,

1170
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: like to be Grammy nominated, and then I had to,

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, go to the Grammys after just giving birth,

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01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: and like I was emotional and I was pumping at

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: the time, and you know, like all the things that

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01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: happened when a woman has a baby, and like winning

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: a Grammy was the one thing like I wanted so

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01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: so so bad. But the thing that I've seen as

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Speaker 2: I've gotten older in life, and you know, people have

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01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: so much They hold so much value and like things

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01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: and like trophies, and it's like, well what does that mean. Yes,

1180
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: it's an accolade, but what stake does it really really

1181
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: have in your life? And I think after giving birth

1182
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: to my son, almost losing my son, like that's the

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01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: only thing that matters to me, Like it really is,

1184
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: like I've I've gone and done some of the most

1185
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: amazing things I've seen at the super Bowl, like that

1186
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: was that was a dream and I did achieve that,

1187
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: and afterwards, I was like, well, still feel like myself.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: The grass is always going to be green on the

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01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: other side, and then whatever you achieve, you'll shrug it

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01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: off because there's something else, yeah, of the pike that

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01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: you want. Wait, okay, So I don't know if this

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: is still a dream for country artists, But have you

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01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: ever played the grand Ole Opry?

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01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: I have played the grand Ole Opry.

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: Is it just the lure of playing the place?

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: Or like it is.

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Speaker 3: So the point of Sisters. You know they got nominated

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Speaker 3: back in seventy four at the Grammy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they told you know, they were the first, I

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: guess black women to play the grand Opery and set.

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01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: So what was the feeling like?

1202
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: It was definitely magical at the time, Like I was

1203
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: so nervous. I'd spent maybe four or five years in

1204
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: Nashville at the time pounding the pavement. I had management

1205
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: at the time that was I don't want to say this,

1206
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: but I feel like they were like having two older

1207
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: white men trying to understand a black woman that they

1208
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: were putting me in I'm a I'm a circle and

1209
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: they were trying to fit me in a square. And

1210
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: I had dealt with so much of that. So when

1211
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: I finally got to sing up the grand Ole Opry,

1212
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know what you would equivalate that too.

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: It's like surviving the Apollo that.

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like like if you you know, if that's

1215
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: how you were discovered they write it wasn't Jazz and

1216
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: Sullivan on Apollo, Like if that was like the way

1217
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 2: for you to get you know, discovered and gets your chance.

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01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of like that. It's like a rite

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: of passage into country music. And it's just this I

1220
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: don't know how to describe it. It's just something that's

1221
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: it's a tradition in country music that you know a

1222
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: lot of people with Dolly Pardon Charlie Pride, like it's

1223
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 2: it's a history thing, got it.

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: What is the hardest creative block that you've overcome.

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: I think the hardest creative block that I overcome. I

1226
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: think it's right now. When I say I don't have

1227
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: thoughts in my head, that's what I mean.

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 3: I would do anything to be you right now.

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: Like even as I'm talking to you, I'm thinking about

1230
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: editing this film, and I gotta make this phone call

1231
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: and I make sure my plane tickets are ready to

1232
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: so much.

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 3: I want to know what that's like.

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,480
Speaker 2: It's quite lovely, really.

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 3: Like to just well, is there a fear that you

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: can't come back?

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01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 2: Or yes, there's that. There's a huge fear of that

1238
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: for sure. And I'm I'm taking that thought and I'm

1239
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: putting it over there because I've worked my ass off.

1240
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: You'll be fine for a.

1241
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: Very very long time. And I do. And I am

1242
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: starting to get thoughts in my head and thoughts that

1243
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, is this stupid? Is this dumb? And

1244
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: then I'll say it in a meeting and people are like, oh,

1245
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: I like that idea, and I'm like, oh so, so

1246
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm just trusting this creative block moment of just letting

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: it be what be.

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a good thing and I think

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01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: you'll be focused. All right.

1250
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: So my last question to you, all right is when

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01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: all is said and done, what's the one thing that

1252
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: you really hope people say about you.

1253
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: I hope people say that she saw me, like really

1254
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: really really saw me. You know, this industry, this world,

1255
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 2: I feel like people are so narcissistic and me, me, me,

1256
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: me me. That is something that I hate so much

1257
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: about society, about the individualism is it's a beautiful thing

1258
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: to be able to have that freedom, but it also

1259
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: stops people from seeing other people. And I hope that

1260
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: people say that about me, that she really saw me,

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: and like really really saw me.

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, Mickey Guidan, I appreciate you and your artistry. I

1263
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: definitely see you, you know, And I'm not even trying

1264
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: to cosplay that. You know, I came in under countries DNA.

1265
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: A line share of all the country that I've been

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01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: listening to is sort of sparked off of you and

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01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: me not knowing that black people were in the spaces

1268
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: at all or if I had anything. But you know,

1269
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: just in following your store and your journey, I mean,

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm cheering for you in the authentic way, not the

1271
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: Tyra Banks angered way. I'm cheering for you for real,

1272
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: and I understand so much and appreciate what you go

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: through and even the things that I don't even fathom

1274
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: or or or wish upon another human being. I mean,

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that you are there in the trenches,

1276
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: really really building a save space for someone to come

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01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty and twenty four and twenty five and

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01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: still be here to do it, you know.

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: And so I'd hope that you.

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: Take these brave steps and also take time off for

1281
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: yourself and to just thank you that I could have

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: just said thank you and that's it all right people.

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01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,320
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