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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, Hey jooky. I'm

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Speaker 1: really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, Hell,

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Speaker 1: I'm ghosted. I gosdays.

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Speaker 2: Please, hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 2: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 2: that I like about the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I don't know why it's taken

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Speaker 1: us so long, but we at last have Cameron Esposito

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Speaker 1: on the show. Cameron Esposito, hilarious comedian actor. My mom's

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the TV show A Million Little Things. Cameron

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Speaker 1: was on that and tours around the country. So go

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Speaker 1: see Cameron and we'll get into that in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Have you been watching my new my new videos I've

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Speaker 1: been posting on YouTube. I will say it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not a television show. The budget is very very

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Speaker 1: very tiny, so it's, you know, kind of a vlog

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Speaker 1: style show. But nonetheless it's me ghost hunting and I'm

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Speaker 1: spending a lot of time doing it and I'm loving

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Speaker 1: every second of it. So as long as you're watching,

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Speaker 1: I will continue doing them. And that is just called

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Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez. The Haunted Doll on YouTube. Also, before we

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Speaker 1: get to the episode, I just wanted to tell you

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Speaker 1: that I am doing Ghosted Live on stage in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco on the twenty seventh of October and La at

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Speaker 1: Largo on the thirtieth, that's the night before Halloween. You

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Speaker 1: gotta go if you're in the Los Angeles area. And

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Speaker 1: then I won't be doing Ghosted Live again until December.

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Speaker 1: December thirteenth in Seattle. I'm also doing stand up in

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Speaker 1: also gonna be in Raleigh next month at good Night's

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Speaker 1: Comedy Club doing just stand up about living people, not ghosts.

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Speaker 1: And that is November seventh. Okay, let's get to the

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Speaker 1: conversation with me and Cameron es Pasito and with this show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's Cameron as Posito.

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Speaker 3: Hi Ross, how are you today?

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Speaker 1: I am very well, Thank you. I had to think

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Speaker 1: about it for a second because I have to. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm come gotta be honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: All about the word truth teller.

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Speaker 3: Man. You know, I've never met a less honest person

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Speaker 3: than a stand up comic than me. No, not, You

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Speaker 3: seem perfectly honest, I know. And the pantheon of stand

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Speaker 3: ups you're on the there's.

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Speaker 1: So much of earlier today. I was on this date.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, because six months ago you told that same

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Speaker 1: joke earlier today.

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Speaker 3: That's a lie. The entire premise of stand up comedy

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Speaker 3: is a lie. Look how vulnerable I'm being well, perfectly

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Speaker 1: So you're not allowed to talk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. This is the least vulnerable situation any human

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Speaker 1: I think it is still vulnerable if you it doesn't

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Speaker 1: but because you're so used to just embarrassing yourself so much.

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Speaker 1: But to the average person, the thought of sharing something

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Speaker 1: I you know, I try all different kinds of dating apps,

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Speaker 1: I think I know why? And I think it's a

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Speaker 1: It's a word that comes up every episode of this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's why, that's why.

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Speaker 1: Now when I think about you for the past few years,

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Speaker 4: That that's real. That's real.

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Speaker 1: It's a little tiny thing.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy. How originally I was like, there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does have a very like whoo, yeah with

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Speaker 1: But here's what I'll say, Dynacey typewriter. By the way,

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Speaker 3: No, That's why I said creaky, you know, and creaky

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I do know that some employees have reported

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? Ros do you

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Speaker 1: I personally cannot debunk this. I don't think that I

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Speaker 3: You've seen ghosts, right, You've had encounters.

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Speaker 1: There's really no rules, got it? Okay, That's why I

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Speaker 3: No, I don't I think that. If I had to guess,

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Speaker 3: But I will also it's just as likely to me

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Speaker 1: I could see it doing that because it's a lightweight

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Speaker 1: We have to get a gavel. I need to that's

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I thought I could make a

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Speaker 1: I have another thing for you. This one does not

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm open to things that don't involve so

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Speaker 1: But sure, it does involve two women that went hiking together.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and the kind of sores that reports the only

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Speaker 3: Is it word for this cryptides kind of Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying? Like Bigfoot isn't doesn't just

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But that's how this looks

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know is what this thing is? I

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, well, you know what I will say.

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Speaker 3: The thing about Colorado is that all the women look queer,

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Speaker 3: That's statistic I invented, but they all look like they're queer.

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Speaker 1: It's a very very most places, honestly, where all the

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Speaker 1: I am. Attracted. Two men can't take off crocs and

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Have you ever had an encounter with like

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Speaker 3: But like, besides ghost, this is also a category of

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Speaker 3: belief for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's part of the paranormal conversation. It is

442
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: one that I have a hard time with a lot

443
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: of the time. Uh, these two, I mean it's something

444
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: like this where you're like, I don't know why you

445
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: would fake this now now the one is a graphic designer,

446
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: which kind of makes me like, okay, you could do

447
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: cool things with photos. I did find them both on Instagram.

448
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: They are not following you or me literally what I checked,

449
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: But I don't see. They're very outdoorsy, lots of this

450
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, got it, But I don't see why

451
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: they would fake it. So if that's real, then, oh

452
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: my god.

453
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: To me, I feel like those photos are maybe not faked,

454
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: but like it's it's a bit of a hair in

455
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: the wind situation. They've caught something that isn't really what's

456
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: going on the.

457
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Speaker 1: Hair in the theater.

458
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, but you know what

459
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: I do believe, and it's in this category, but it's

460
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: just a little different. Are things that live in the

461
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: sea that like on land. I feel like we have

462
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: probably solved a lot of that. But in the sea,

463
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: for sure, dinos and stuff, and up in the sky.

464
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 3: Up in the sky, you mean, on the other side

465
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: of the atmosphere, like in the universe.

466
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: Way out there? What is that There's almost.

467
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: No differentiation between way out there and way under the sea.

468
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: That's the same place, I'm sure it's gotta be for sure.

469
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: But do you think we know everything that's on this

470
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: planet terrestrial? Yes? But here's okay to go back to

471
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: your question when you ask me what I think of

472
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, I think that if it exists,

473
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that is magical and mystical

474
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: and sometimes can appear and sometimes can disappear.

475
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well that helps, because I think that's my one

476
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: of my biggest I think it's more an omnipresent, undiscovered

477
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: creature zone. And that's why I think that the water

478
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: is full of those right totally, which isn't really I

479
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: guess a monster who knows what.

480
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Speaker 1: They can do, who knows like, we don't know anything, No,

481
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: we don't know anything. Oh it's fun.

482
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: Tallest man you've ever seen?

483
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Do you have an answer?

484
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't be like probably in the sevens, you know.

485
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so they're still quite a differential.

486
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I forgot about the fact that this

487
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: guy is twenty feet tall. Yeah, that's it's a pretty

488
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: tall guy.

489
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: He's a pretty big dude.

490
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: He's also naked, No wonder he doesn't many clothes. Well, yeah,

491
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: where's he gonna show that stuff? Where you're gonna get

492
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: clothes from you can't do it if you're twenty feet tall. Yeah,

493
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I guess that does make sense that he's naked.

494
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: But why is he so pale if he's that tall?

495
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: Isn't he sometimes above the tree line? How taller trees?

496
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

497
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. These are some questions I have

498
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: for Camille and the other one.

499
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think this guy has it right. Just get naked,

500
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: go out in the mountains.

501
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: The darkness of the mountains, in the forest. Yeah, I'm

502
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: not In the Daily Mail piece, is it set up

503
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: where they're like they were just taking a picture of

504
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: each other and then in the background they saw this

505
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 3: or did they think they saw something and then take

506
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: a picture of it.

507
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: No, they took a picture of it. They were showing

508
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: people the photos, and since the one is a graphic designer,

509
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: she has a plasma screen TV that they were like

510
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: looking on. And then I believe they zoomed in after

511
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: noticing an odd white coloration on the side of the crag.

512
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Camille's dad said, what the hell? That thing is at

513
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: least twenty feet or so, and Camille was like, should

514
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: we call the rangers?

515
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: Oh? My God, I love this recreation.

516
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: We were all like, what the hell is that it

517
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: should be? Or no, it could be a rock, the

518
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: other one said, But it has all the features of

519
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: something that is human. We are open to interpretations, said

520
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: the one, adding that they posted the pictures on the

521
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: Facebook group for Colorado hikers and dozens of commenters were

522
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: disturbed by this phenomenon.

523
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: Ah, that's how you know people are from Colorado. Because

524
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: the dad was like, that thing's got to be at

525
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: least twenty foot tall. Just knew the height of things

526
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: in the back round, any of that kind of stuff.

527
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't if you show me a picture, I wouldn't

528
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: be able to guesstimate. No, the height in the deep background.

529
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: It was so far away. It couldn't really do anything

530
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: to us. I like to think it was an alien.

531
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: The anatomy is so human, like it's freaky as how.

532
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: Wait can I see that again? I want to I'm

533
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: curious about the alien of it all.

534
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely an alien that they forgot right. They

535
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: came down and left one and they basically did home

536
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: alone with this alien. I think the family left in

537
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: a mountain in Colorado.

538
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: And it seemed to have like a curvature in the

539
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: spine right, like I'm looking at.

540
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: This, can't they're like the feet or the back? Oh?

541
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: Like it could be the front and it's like raising

542
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: its leg to step forward. Maybe I don't know. Okay,

543
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: do you want to know my dad's theory about aliens? Yes, okay,

544
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: this is my dad's theory about aliens. When he was

545
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: growing up, the tail lights on cars they were square

546
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 3: or rectangular, and over time car tail lights have become

547
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: much more like oval and he believes that aliens are here.

548
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: They're undergrounds. This is why they have such big eyes.

549
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of light because they're underground,

550
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: and they infiltrated the car industry to change the shape

551
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: of tail lights. Because we are relaxed in our cars,

552
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: and as we drive and the tail lights go off

553
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: at night, we're being gently. We are gently acclimatizing to

554
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: the idea of what the alien's eyes are shaped like.

555
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Is he the type that has a lot of these

556
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: kinds of theories and stuff. No, okay, No.

557
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: He's a very logical guy. He's not usually going on

558
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: a deep dive. This is his one pretty specific theory

559
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: that he has developed. Himself. He didn't read this somewhere,

560
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 3: but he'll talk to you about it if you you know,

561
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: if you ever want me to touch I'm opening. He's

562
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: got a lot to say.

563
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. Why not. Yeah, it's a good

564
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: idea until we know for sure, you know, it could

565
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: be any of these things.

566
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: I mean, if they did do that, it's what.

567
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: Do you think of aliens?

568
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, aliens are my like, I don't like ghosts, not

569
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: into that. I'm super interesting.

570
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Say, glad I invited you on my podcast Go.

571
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: No, what I mean is I find them scary. Okay,

572
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't want them in my house, but aliens, because

573
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: I think there's two types of people, people who think

574
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: like go are scary and people who think aliens are scary.

575
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see what I mean.

576
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: There's a real dividing line.

577
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

578
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: And I think ghosts are too scary. Donly ghosts aliens

579
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: into interested would chase you know? Okay, but I listen

580
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: to you talk about ghosts and I'll be scary.

581
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Is ghosts so scary?

582
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: And honestly could be movies?

583
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: Right?

584
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: So aliens there's a lot of like really tough bronze

585
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: who have put aliens in their place over time, right,

586
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean Sigourney Weaver, God bless, she saved us all

587
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: multiple times.

588
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: In terms of ghosts, the people who are fighting ghosts,

590
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 3: maybe I don't have a lot in common with Like

591
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm not.

592
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: A priest, you could have been.

593
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of like butch women or

594
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: like non binary folks chasing down ghosts. In media, there's

595
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: a lot of like like jacked mask identified people that

596
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: are like holding an alien gun and chasing aliens. But

597
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: maybe that's what it is. Maybe I feel around ghosts defenseless.

598
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: I could punch an alien in the face, but if

599
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: I punch the ghost of Jesus, my hand's gonna go

600
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: right through.

601
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: My latest thing with ghosts because I have been hunting them,

602
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: how's it going. I have always been scared of them too,

603
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and lately and I still get very scared. And I

604
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: don't follow this rule. But I tell myself, I got skin,

605
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I got bones, Okay, I got a body, and there

606
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: was some invisible is that you're supposed to scare me?

607
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: And I also like to give them the benefit of

608
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: the doubt, especially if we go with the theory that

609
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: they were humans, just like us and now they're ghosts.

610
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Where I'm like, you probably don't know how ghosts work,

611
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Like you probably know more than me, Like I'm talking

612
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: to a ghost. You probably know more about the experience

613
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: of being ghost than me. I'll get be that. However,

614
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: do you know what will happen if I like this

615
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: concoction right here that I say gets rid of ghosts?

616
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: Do you know? Because I can tell you right now,

617
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: it'll make you disappear like they don't see. I like

618
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: that I threatened ghosts. I'm just gonna say I threaten

619
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: them a lot if they started scaring me where I'm like,

620
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: I will make you leave.

621
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: Can I ask you some questions about this?

622
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

623
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 3: How what do you think is the process from human

624
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: to ghost? Do you think? I guess what I'm saying

625
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 3: is like, do you think it's something where you die

626
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: you know you're going to become a ghost, or do

627
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: you think it's just you are suddenly a ghost, Like

628
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: you're not even aware of your death, You're suddenly a ghost.

629
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know. Unfortunately I don't think we know. But

630
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: it seems that there's a lot of reasons why people

631
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: become ghosts. I think that when you die peacefully, and

632
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: you've accepted that you're dying, you have more free will

633
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: of what happens to you in the afterlife. Like I

634
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: think that you're able to you come back and say

635
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: hi to your loved ones if you want to, or

636
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: just be peaceful and never bother anyone again. But I

637
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: think when it's like bam, you're dad, or like you

638
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: died and you still never got over that audition you

639
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: didn't book or whatever it is, then you're still stuck

640
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: around and you don't have a choice.

641
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: You're talking about kind of an unfinished business situation, of course. Yeah, yeah,

642
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: maybe that's our biggest fear as humans, not like death per.

643
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Se, but what happens next?

644
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: Well, what happens next? And also like what if I'm nothing?

645
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: Right because on this unfinished business kind of means your

646
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: life didn't come to what you hope it would have

647
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: come to, right.

648
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like all I ever wanted was

649
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: to float around a comedy class, so I never got

650
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: to do it.

651
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: Do you remember the what is this called? Maybe you've

652
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: talked about this before in like the Victorian era, Yeah,

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: when women were really bored and maybe some men.

654
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

655
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: I think of it as I've seen it depicted with

656
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: women and.

657
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: There probably some gay guys there, yeah, sure.

658
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: And they would have like salons where there was somebody

659
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: who could like in quotes, communicate with hell yeah, with

660
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: you know, the other side, and then they would like

661
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: do a trick of lighting and a curtain and convinced

662
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: the room that like somebody had entered the room. But

663
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 4: it was like an actual racket where it would be

664
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: like their friend.

665
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and they had all kinds of tricks, and you know,

666
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was staged. It gave

667
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: those people a lot of hope though at that time.

668
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: But and who's to say that. Maybe they started, you know,

669
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: they start with the Shenanigans and then it turns real.

670
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but okay, wait, don't you know Tipper,

671
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Tipper Newton, Yeah, I do know Tipper, my really close friend.

672
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: The two of us one time went to like a

673
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: recreation of like a Victorian seance.

674
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and this man was he was.

675
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: He told us off the bat, like this is like

676
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: how they would do this, and like I'm not going

677
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: to tell you how I'm doing these tricks or whatever.

678
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: He's like, and who knows, maybe there could be some

679
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: real stuff. This guy is making bells like go off

680
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: on the table around us, and we're like that one

681
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: had to be real, Like we're kind of like, okay,

682
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: I think I know how he did that one. But

683
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: then there were somewhere it was like how we could

684
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: see we're looking at his hands. How did he do that?

685
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: So we came to the conclusion that he must have

686
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: had some kind of button in his butt cheeks and

687
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: that's the only way he could have done it, unless

688
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: maybe his feet.

689
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: But what was the setting?

690
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: It was at a place that was allegedly haunted.

691
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, spiritualism, that's what this is called totally yeah, yeah,

692
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: so heyere is that a place that was allegedly haunted?

693
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Was it like in a closed room like we're like,

694
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 3: we're and were you like sitting around a circular table?

695
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 3: I'm imagining the stuff that. Okay, how many people were there?

696
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: M less than ten? Between five and ten?

697
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: Maybe was it like dimly lip?

698
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it was the full Shenan again, Okay, but I

699
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe he had something in his toes, maybe

700
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: he had it on a timer, Maybe he had somebody

701
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: in a car that was like doing that. We don't know,

702
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: but it was good.

703
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: Wow. I mean it's you know, I have some friends

704
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: that were like magicians, and I feel like.

705
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: He, yeah, like he, I think that was part of it. Yeah,

706
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: because I always think a magician doing that kind of stuff,

707
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: Especially if you're from a time when you didn't have

708
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: TV and you weren't your brain wasn't polluted by everything

709
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: and CGI and whatever. You would be like, how the

710
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: fuck is he making that lady flow? That is the devil?

711
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah.

712
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of can I show you a haunted doll?

713
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: You can? It's gonna be a picture.

714
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a picture. It's time for the dolls are living.

715
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: So we have a segment on the show where I

716
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com I type in the words

717
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: haunted doll, and pretty much every week we feature the

718
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: haunted doll of the week. This time for fifteen dollars,

719
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: we have Terra Geeha show us Tara please you got

720
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: it ros. This is Terra, also known as the ras

721
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: Hernandez official merch dolls. She has my hairstyle. She's got

722
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: like a dark brown black colored hair with bangs, a

723
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit mushroomy on the top. I will say, yeah, actually,

724
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: it's like kind of ats go on the top. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: it is meets mine. I will say I draw my

726
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: top lip bigger than hers. But uh here she is

727
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: pearl necklace and all. She is going for fifteen dollars,

728
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: which is very reasonable.

729
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: That is reasonable. Adds to the side view of that

730
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: hair is like majestic.

731
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really with that one.

732
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: Ros. This is I think if a haunted dollar is

733
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: different than this, you know, the classic kind of like

734
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: cracked right face and.

735
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: They can maybe a little dirty.

736
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: This is what I'm realizing now with this, that they

737
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: can stick tight. Yeah, I only I know the very baseline.

738
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, open your mind.

739
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: This is I'm trying. I mean, this is really well.

740
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: The great thing about these is that they come with

741
00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: little biographies. Meet Terra. She is forty four years old.

742
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 3: She's okay, it's.

743
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Always a little sad, like whatever. She died of a

744
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: heart attack. She told me it was brought on from

745
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: a broken heart. She is a witch and she is gay.

746
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: She always felt different from everyone when she went through

747
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: high school. She knew she liked women instead of men,

748
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: but never came out because of fear of rejection from

749
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: her religious family. She never was good at making friends

750
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: and was very lonely. After high school, she got a

751
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: job at an animal shelter. She found that she could

752
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: relate to and talk to the animals so much easier

753
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: than people. She worked there for many years and became

754
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: the manager of the shelter in her twenties. She got

755
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: into witchcraft in her late thirties. She met a woman

756
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: and they had an instant bond. They dated for years

757
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: and made good companions for each other. There her girlfriend

758
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: ended up dying. Tara was left with a big hole

759
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: in her heart and an emptiness that nothing could fill.

760
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: She went about her days working at the animal shelter

761
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: and casting her spells, but after her girlfriend passed her

762
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: life was never the same again. She still likes working

763
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: on her arts and or sorry on her witchcraft, not arts.

764
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: She probably likes arts and crabs too. She loves working

765
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: with flowers, herbs, incense, you know, all that kind of stuff.

766
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: She told me that she is more than willing to

767
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: cast spells on your behalf. That's nice. All you need

768
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: to do is ask. She also enjoys baking, sewing, knitting, music,

769
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: and paranormal TV shows. She sometimes flickers our lights. She

770
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: also has opened and shut doors. She has turned our

771
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: TV on and off a few times. I've seen a

772
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: shadow near her. She has communicated so far through making noises,

773
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: through feelings, through pendulums, spirit boards, you know, all kinds

774
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. She is ready to meet you. Can you

775
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: give her a good home? Cameron fifteen dollars rasum shocked.

776
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: I didn't understand about this.

777
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not keyed into the doll trade, and

778
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: I didn't know this is what's going on.

779
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I know more than anyone.

780
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: You that's like you read that. That whole paragraph is

781
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: like normal to me, that's just somebody wrote that, yes

782
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: as a description of this item.

783
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Yes, so I think to go back to what happens

784
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: after we die? Yes, heaven how haunted eBay doll?

785
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: I think what I like about that so much is

786
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: how in contrast to how this doll looks, that story is, well,

787
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: that's the thing that's very appealing.

788
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: A real living person died and this is like a

789
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 1: hermit crab show.

790
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Right. Yes, yes, I didn't know that until listening to you.

791
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 3: Just now that. No, you didn't have to, because I

792
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: as soon as you were talking, I put it together.

793
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 1: And that is so there's a lesbian witch that lives

794
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: inside of this doll that looks kind of.

795
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: Like do you think it's just like is the is

796
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: the general idea that it's just like closest doll possible,

797
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: Like you just zip into the closest doll.

798
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know how that happens.

799
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: Well, she's she looks very surprised, like the doll does yeah,

800
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: really surprised that lookay, oh.

801
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: Let me see does this look like me? I took

802
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: off my glasses.

803
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think.

804
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: I think the thing, I'll there's a lesbian witch inside

805
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: of me too.

806
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: Well, we know that to be the case, nobody is.

807
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: I think that's definitely true. I sensed it immediately when

808
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: we first met. Much like the writer of this here,

809
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: that's also just she's an unusual doll. She's you know,

810
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: very very Uh. I don't. She's as a person completely placeable,

811
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: it's you, but as a doll unusual.

812
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, we have one more thing we need to do.

813
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: We've got to Can I play you some ghost voices?

814
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: You have to?

815
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for EVP or ev plicse. EVP stands

816
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: for Electronic Voice Phenomena it's when people capture a ghost speaking.

817
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I have two of them for you. I go to

818
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com. I find people's recordings that they post.

819
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: This one is from ghost Hunter Marsha on YouTube and

820
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: it was recorded at the Dank House German Cultural Center

821
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: in Chicago.

822
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: I've been there.

823
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Well, so is these ghosts?

824
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 4: All right?

825
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Let's go?

826
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: What does it say? That was a ghost speaker?

827
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: Wait?

828
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: Do you have any guesses? Because I would like to

829
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: hear your guests, and then I also have an abc

830
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: D option, one of them being what ghost Hunter Marsha believes.

831
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: Two, it's like an order to.

832
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

833
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: It's like shrimp patties please.

834
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: It's like something their order is.

835
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it feels like an order.

836
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: That's not what ghost Hunter Marsha thought.

837
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: What is marsh think?

838
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Did you think it was a a bird chirping outside?

839
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: Not a ghost? No? B, I'm so done with you?

840
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh okay, sweetheart did with you?

841
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: Or D?

842
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: This ain't my living room? Okay, it's one of those.

843
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I think what was C? I think it's C.

844
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: I think she thinks it's C even though.

845
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: This heart did with you.

846
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: No, that's not it. It's it's B it's gotta be

847
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 3: b is what she thinks. I still think it's you.

848
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: She believes it's sweetheart, did with you?

849
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 3: I agree with myself. I had to pick me or Marsha,

850
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: I'm the one I think is correct? Are you?

851
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Marcia? Okay? Same same prison posted this one at Old

852
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: Grant Military Base in uh Illinois. What does this one say?

853
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh? No, that one's so scary.

854
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: That one was definitely shorter.

855
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that's so it's obvious. Damn. Don't you

856
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: think that's so obvious? Damn?

857
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Right Martia?

858
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: What he adele?

859
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they were like, what should I do in Vegas?

860
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: D B, I'm dead.

861
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: That's a little on the nose.

862
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I did it? Oh? Or d adopt don't shop?

863
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wish it was that one. Okay, hang on,

864
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: let's hear more time. Oh I did it.

865
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: She thinks it's I'm dad.

866
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, because it does sound like I'm dead.

867
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: That is so scary, Rose, How could you do that

868
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: to me at the end if you had set this

869
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: up at the beginning.

870
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: I want you to think about me.

871
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to be thinking. I mean, I have goose,

872
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: I feel funny in my body. I don't feel good

873
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: in my body. Having heard that, he is saying, I'm dead. Well,

874
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, cooky, scary guy.

875
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to check in with you later because tonight

876
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: we are doing a show together. Ye, so I will.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you later, and I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: everything's okay. Of all places we know it's haunted too much.

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Speaker 1: This has been great.

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Speaker 3: It's been great. I hope that you know that was

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Speaker 3: what you were wanting, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm very pleased. I'm very happy that you did this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really happy. I was here and I got

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Speaker 3: my new catchphrase. Damn that's damn. Do that later tonight.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you and all that?

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's doing stand up stand up comedy all over

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Speaker 3: the place, Nashville, Portland, San Francisco, Chicago. I'm naming it DC,

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Speaker 3: US other places, but Cameronessposito dot com or like, just

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Speaker 3: go to any socials of mine. They're easy to find.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to camoness Posito. We are in October.

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Speaker 1: Please tell everyone you know about this podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: my month to shine. I just want everyone in the

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Speaker 1: in the world to listen to these conversations we have

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Speaker 1: because they're so fun and deep sometimes as well. I

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Speaker 1: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came by.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share

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Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out

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Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll eat and call you. So email

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Speaker 1: me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can send a DM or voice message to the show's

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Speaker 1: Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow while

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Speaker 1: you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz

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Speaker 1: Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at it's roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

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Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the

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Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by

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Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen Executive produced

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Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start,

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Speaker 1: and the Frightening Daniel Cramer