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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss with all of you.

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Speaker 3: Hope you are.

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Speaker 2: Having a fantastic day so far, fantastic week off the

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Speaker 2: top here it is the day of the Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome great debate. We will discuss that and what

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Speaker 2: could come from it. But I would say the biggest

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Speaker 2: story that is out there circulating right now is Ewon

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Speaker 2: Musk has had Twitter, which he renamed X, for over

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Speaker 2: a year now, and he has tried in rapid fashion

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Speaker 2: to remake the fabric of the company, firing seventy five

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Speaker 2: or eighty percent of the workers, trying to instill more

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Speaker 2: of a free speech marketplace and treat everyone even lee

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Speaker 2: while simultaneaneously finding ways to monetize it in a way

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Speaker 2: different than just relying on advertisers. And recently he has

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Speaker 2: come under fire for some of the comments that he

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Speaker 2: has made surrounding the war in Israel and Palestine. People

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Speaker 2: have tried to say he's anti Semitic. He's made the

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Speaker 2: trip over to Israel and said that he is in

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Speaker 2: favor of peace. I don't think there's any way you

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Speaker 2: can reasonably call or rationally call Elon Musk and anti Semite.

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Speaker 2: But he was at the deal Book summit put on

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Speaker 2: by The New York Times and he was asked about

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Speaker 2: an ongoing advertiser boycott, specifically, Disney CEO Bob Iger has

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Speaker 2: pulled its spending off of the site. They didn't post

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Speaker 2: on the site for a day or more. Here is

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Speaker 2: what Elon Musk had to say. This is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you're clarifying this now.

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Speaker 3: But there's a public perception that that was part.

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Speaker 2: Of a apology tour, if you will, that this had

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Speaker 4: There was all of the criticism, there was advertisers leaving.

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Speaker 4: We talked to Bob, I don't advertise, you don't want

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Speaker 4: them to advertise. What do you mean if somebody's gonna

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Speaker 4: try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmailing with money yourself,

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Speaker 4: but go yourself? Is that clear?

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Speaker 3: I hope it is.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Bob, you're in the audience. That's how I feel.

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Speaker 3: Advertise.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, what I care about is the reality of goodness,

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Speaker 4: not the perception of it. And what I see all

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Speaker 4: of the place is people who care about looking good

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Speaker 4: while doing evil them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's one of my favorite clips of the year

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Speaker 3: was phenomenal and Elon Musk. I don't want to sound

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Speaker 3: learn about what he's done and dig into it all

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Speaker 3: after reading this biography and just seeing what he's done

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Speaker 3: with with Twitter, now X he understands I think what

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Speaker 3: it means to have at least one place where free

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Speaker 3: speech exists in a meaningful way online with critical mass. Look,

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Speaker 3: I never want to leave out I don't want to

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Speaker 3: he tells these here's the thing. He's not telling some

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Speaker 3: random sponsor. He's telling IBM, Disney and some Apple, some

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Speaker 3: if you're going to pull your ads because of some

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Speaker 3: what is the panicle about that people really think Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk is an anti semi. I do not believe Elon

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Speaker 2: And and I think that is the essence of this.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you think of Elon Musk, And there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of different opinions out there, Elon Musk is a

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Speaker 2: And I think maybe the most interesting thing Elon Musk said,

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Speaker 2: people are trying to get ten percent better at their business. Right,

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Speaker 2: whatever business you're in, whatever small business you're in. You

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Speaker 2: And if you consider what Elon Musk did with Tesla

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk said, you know what, I think I can

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Speaker 3: Think about the sheer gump.

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Speaker 2: He did and he needed, and now NASA is paying

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Speaker 2: He also said, Hey, I think I can rebuild the

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Speaker 2: it more affordably than all of the legacy businesses, all

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Speaker 2: And I can do it without using the internal engine

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Speaker 2: and he did it, and now he has decided, I

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Speaker 2: that is what he is now trying to do. And

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Speaker 2: I think genuinely, yes, he's very wealthy, but I think

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Speaker 3: I mean season method of thinking we will have. You know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is where we are heading now.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's been interesting to see people who know

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty election stolen? I sit there and I say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: which one, which which way? In which way? Do you

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Speaker 3: Or they want to say it was rigged. I prefer

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Speaker 3: We had to bleep with elon Act, he said, But

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Speaker 3: everyone knows what he said. But the point is, how

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Speaker 3: can we have free and fair elections where the you know,

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Speaker 3: spent what was it, forty four billion dollars to buy twins.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And and what he's hitting at here is important

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Speaker 2: because I would draw an analogy to what George Soros

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Speaker 2: And let me let me explain that analogy. George Soros

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Speaker 2: they haven't stopped the attacks on Buck and myself. The

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Speaker 2: And I would say, there are a lot of you

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Speaker 2: the first time I ever saw this quote was from Billions.

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Speaker 2: What's the point of fu money if every now and

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Speaker 2: then you don't say f you. That's a question that

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Speaker 2: I understand, Buck, if you make seventy thousand dollars a

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Speaker 3: I would even argue, your first time millions is just

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Speaker 3: When you see all this happen, I think, are you

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Speaker 2: We've been tracking this crazy story that has gone super

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Speaker 2: tracking this kid down after his mom commented on an

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Speaker 2: I said he was elementary school age. Buck basically nailed

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear somebody answer this, but listen

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Speaker 2: to this nine year old kid last night on Fox News, Holden,

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Speaker 5: It's okay because a lot of kids at school are

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Speaker 3: That it's scary. It can be a very overwhelming experience.

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Speaker 2: How big of a Chiefs fan?

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Speaker 3: Are you really big?

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Speaker 1: And what does it mean?

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Speaker 3: Last year?

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Speaker 2: Too nice?

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Speaker 3: And what does it mean now that you're feeling all

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Speaker 2: Be wearing red and black on their faces next Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Really good? So, I mean, do you hear that kid?

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Speaker 2: Great job by Jesse interviewing him, But imagine being a

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Speaker 2: The idea that an adult would go after what a

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Speaker 2: I'm not a face painter, right like, I don't. I don't,

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Speaker 3: Have you Have you ever gone to a game with

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think anybody needs to see me topless.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know that anybody needs to see me

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Speaker 2: done it before, Buck, I would paint my face half

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think that's great. And I also

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Speaker 3: intense to your point matters, Yes, and it's someone is

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Speaker 3: not trying to mock someone and is not doing anything

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Speaker 3: that a normal person could ever deem a mockery of people.

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Speaker 2: Let it go, Yeah, let it go, particularly for a

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Speaker 2: young kid. Right and and and also can you think

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Speaker 2: buck of someone who has worn blackface to mock and

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Speaker 2: ridicule a black person in the last decade, I mean

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Speaker 2: someone that you would know or some story. I just

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Speaker 2: I don't even think this happens, right, Like the idea

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Speaker 2: of uh, someone deciding, hey, I'm ridiculing black people by

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Speaker 2: wearing black face?

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Speaker 3: Like, where has this occurred?

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Speaker 2: Now? I know people have dressed up in costumes and

449
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Speaker 2: every now and then you'll see on Halloween, Oh, somebody

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Speaker 2: went as a you know, black entertainer and they dressed up.

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Speaker 2: But when has someone intentionally said I am super racist

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to do this. And remember, historically blackface

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Speaker 2: was done on you know, stages for performance, and it

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Speaker 2: was also accompanied by exaggerated black features, as a white

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Speaker 2: performer would pretend to be black for purposes of mockery

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Speaker 2: as a part of that performance. When has something akin

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Speaker 2: to that happened in recent American history? Again, I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about somebody dressing up in a costume and at

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Speaker 2: being considered offensive because they changed the color of their skin.

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Speaker 3: Associated with that, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Talking about like, when has someone actually sought to demean

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Speaker 2: a black person by dressing up as one hundred years

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Speaker 2: ago would have occurred in blackface productions.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it even happens.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: We had our good buddy, our good buddy, uh Trudeau,

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Speaker 2: remember is probably the guy who's most common, Like when

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Speaker 2: he dressed up as a laddin, I think it was.

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Speaker 3: And the yeah, well and the what was it the

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Speaker 3: previous wasn't the lieutenant governor? It was third in line

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Speaker 3: in Virginia. Remember this guy. Yeah, I'm blanking on his name,

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Speaker 3: but he he was the guy. He's a Democrat who's like, look,

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you if I'm the guy in the

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Speaker 3: KKK outfit or the guy who was doing you know,

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Speaker 3: true blackface or whatever. He couldn't even tell you which

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Speaker 3: one he was, which that was his defense. So he

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Speaker 3: was either the guy in the KKK or the guy

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Speaker 3: who was doing true, true, you know blackface.

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Speaker 2: And and well, remember they had all this scandal that

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Speaker 2: was that was really the height of how absurd democrats were.

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Speaker 2: They had was it the lieutenant governor I remember, accused

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Speaker 2: of sexual assault? So they couldn't elevate him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then the governor what was the there was

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Speaker 3: there was there was a problem with the governor was

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Speaker 3: a trio, Yes, the problem of the governor, problem with

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Speaker 3: the lieutenant governor, and a problem with the like speaker

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Speaker 3: of that of the delegates or whatever there was. I

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Speaker 3: have to check and see this guy's uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the team will pull up their names. I can't believe

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Speaker 3: I'm blanking on his Ralph something Ruth Northam, Ralph Northam,

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Speaker 3: Ralph Northam, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: So the governor had a scandal of like I think

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Speaker 2: it was his med school yearbook or something with like

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Speaker 2: a racist photo, and then the lieutenant governor draw Democrats.

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Speaker 2: The lieutenant governor had been accused of sexual assault I

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Speaker 2: think it was like twenty years before if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 2: at a DNC convention. And then the next person up,

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Speaker 2: who would have been like the speaker of the House

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Speaker 2: of Delegates or whatever, also had a also had a

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Speaker 2: racial issue, and so they were like, yeah, we're just

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Speaker 2: everybody just gets to stay in office because they couldn't

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Speaker 2: even find somebody who didn't have a scandal to promote

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Speaker 2: to take over as the governor of Virginia, and now

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Speaker 2: we got Governor Glenn Youngkin. But that was to me

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Speaker 2: a perfect approximation of how much bs so much of

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Speaker 2: these scandals are. The governor refused to resign, the lieutenant

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Speaker 2: governor couldn't be elevated because of his sex assault scandal,

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Speaker 2: and then the House of repor Delegates guy who would

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Speaker 2: have been the next man up, also had his own

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Speaker 2: scandal associated with race. And one of those guys claimed,

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Speaker 2: I think he put on blackface. I think and danced

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Speaker 2: at a UVA party like back in the early eighties.

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Speaker 2: And if I remember correctly, he defended himself by saying

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Speaker 2: that he was just a big fan of rap, which

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Speaker 2: is amazing because like basically rap music didn't exist when

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Speaker 2: he was putting on blackface. I think it was like

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Speaker 2: a Michael Jackson performed that the whole thing was.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, right, the whole thing was crazy. What's take some

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Speaker 3: of your bat that was going on, Take some of

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Speaker 3: I know that Roe v. Wade was overturned. We've talked

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Speaker 3: abortions are happening at higher rates in many Blue states

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Speaker 3: than even before Row was overturned. Because all the infrastructure

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Speaker 3: that they have from planned parenthood and all the rest

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Speaker 3: Let's just understand that's that they push for this. Uh

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Speaker 3: and and it's horrifying, you know. And look, I understand

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Speaker 1: Need a break from falla six A little comedy to

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Speaker 1: counter the craziness The Sunday Hang, A weekend podcast to

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Speaker 1: and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio, Apple or wherever

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Speaker 3: All welcome back into Clay and Buck. Henry Kissinger passed

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Speaker 3: away yesterday, one hundred, one hundred years old, and this

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Speaker 3: is now creating a moment where we're all, well not everybody,

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Speaker 3: but people are weighing in on what his legacy is.

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Speaker 3: There are people who view him as a giant of

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Speaker 3: foreign policy who accomplished a lot, albeit imperfectly, over a

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Speaker 3: many decades long career. And there are those who scream

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Speaker 3: that he's a war criminal and he's horrible. And you

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Speaker 3: know one thing that you know, Clay, I come from

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Speaker 3: academically at least a foreign policy background, and CIA is

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Speaker 3: involved in foreign policy, even though technically we're not in

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Speaker 3: the policy community so much as we are, you know,

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Speaker 3: the intelligence community. You know, what is you for? For you?

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Speaker 3: You think Henry Kissinger, and what come I mean? For me?

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Speaker 3: It's you know, some of his better known quotes, you know,

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Speaker 3: saying that he wished in the Iran Iraq war that

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Speaker 3: both sides could lose. Some people have very much objected

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Speaker 3: to that as callous efforts. But what is you know,

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Speaker 3: reil politique yes, opening China yes, or a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of things we could talk about. If you're looking at

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Speaker 3: the Kissinger legacy in foreign policy and how was affected

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Speaker 3: America and every person therefore listening to this right now,

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Speaker 3: what are your takeaways?

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Speaker 2: I think, first of all about his relationship with Nixon

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Speaker 2: and opening up China because he was just in China

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Speaker 2: like six months ago, wasn't.

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Speaker 3: He didn't he am? I am I right about that.

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Speaker 2: I think he was just visiting China, maybe even less

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Speaker 2: than six months ago and met with the Chinese premiers there.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you think about our relationship with China now, Nixon

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Speaker 2: opening China in the nineteen and was a transformative moment

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Speaker 2: in global politics. And then the other one I think

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Speaker 2: of Buck is power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. That's the

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Speaker 2: that's the quote if you told me your favorite, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that is the one. And and I think

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Speaker 2: there's a big Washington Post story up about him being

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Speaker 2: kind of the ultimate playboy, uh, which is which is

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Speaker 2: funny to think about, because you don't think about, you know,

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Speaker 2: some foreign policy scholar as a as A as someone

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Speaker 2: who was wowing the women all over d C. But

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Speaker 2: those are the two things that immediately come to mind

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Speaker 2: when when I think about him personally. And and for you,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I wanted to mention this too. I

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Speaker 2: meant to mention it yesterday. Uh, speaking of Charlie Munger

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Speaker 2: also died. Yeah, I believe yesterday right.

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Speaker 3: Or the day and he was also was he Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was ninety nine, Buffett's number two. He was Warren

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Speaker 3: Buffett's right hand man at Berkshire Hathaway and a fault

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Speaker 3: of a lot of life and financial wisdom for people

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Speaker 3: over many, many decades.

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Speaker 2: So he's got I've got a funny quote from him

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Speaker 2: too that was in the Washington Post and his I

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Speaker 2: mean sorry in the Wall Street Journal obituary that I

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Speaker 2: wanted to mention. But yes, he's one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: American investors of all time. Brilliant capitalist. Munger retained his

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Speaker 2: sense of humor into his nineties, even though he was

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Speaker 2: nearly blind, could barely walk, and his beloved wife, Nancy

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Speaker 2: had died years earlier. This is from the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal around twenty sixteen. An acquaintance asked which person in

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Speaker 2: a long life he felt most grateful to Buck. This

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Speaker 2: is an amazing quote. Mike, who did he feel most

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Speaker 2: grateful to? Quote from Charlie Munger, my second wife's first husband.

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Speaker 2: He said instantly, I had the ungrudging love of this

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Speaker 2: magnificent woman for sixty years simply by being a somewhat

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Speaker 2: less awful husband than he was, which is such an

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Speaker 2: amazing quote for Charlie Munger. Who had a great sense

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Speaker 2: of humor, piffy witty. A lot of people who follow

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Speaker 2: Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger ninety nine years old and

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Speaker 2: Henry Kissinger are one hundred years old. Both of those

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Speaker 2: men had incredible lives of accomplishment died within basically twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours of each other. I meant to mention Charlie

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Speaker 2: Munger on yesterday's show, and glad you mentioned Henry Kissinger

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Speaker 2: here because it reminded me of what both those men accomplished.

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris has weighed in and people are still on

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Speaker 3: the is Biden gonna be the guy or is Kamala

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Speaker 3: gonna step up? Kamala has some thoughts on what Israel

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Speaker 3: has been doing, and it's war against tomas. I know

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Speaker 3: it's in ceasefire right now. We'll bring that and other

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Speaker 3: Kamala wisdom to you that's coming up here an hour

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Speaker 3: two stick around