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Speaker 1: fantasy football league, what would it be? Wow, you're putting
Speaker 1: me on the spot. Yeah, Um, don't go breaking my heart.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the first thing that popped into
Speaker 1: my head. Welcome to the Jungle was mine, But I
Speaker 1: don't even know that that makes any sense. Hi, there
Speaker 1: It's me Rain Wilson. I played Dwight K. Shrewts on
Speaker 1: the Office on NBC, but more importantly, on The Office
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football League. I am the manager of Satan's Ballerina's. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to a very special edition of The Office Deep Dive.
Speaker 1: I well, I'm your host, Brian baum Garter. But I
Speaker 1: be sound a little different. You might notice things a
Speaker 1: little different, right, Well, that's because we're not in a studio. No,
Speaker 1: we're at one of my well favorite establishments here in
Speaker 1: San Diego, California, getting ready to cheer on the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. That's right, football is back, baby. But before
Speaker 1: we get too he joined the game. I hope I
Speaker 1: told you before I was going to bring back some
Speaker 1: of the other managers of our Fantasy football league. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do today. Today's guest is none
Speaker 1: other then Mr Seahawk, Mr Rain Wilson himself. Now, Rain
Speaker 1: has been a part of our league since the very beginning.
Speaker 1: Like myself. Some might say he's old as time. Okay,
Speaker 1: nobody says that, but he does have a certain reputation,
Speaker 1: if you will, in the league for being how do
Speaker 1: I put this heat? He a trash talker. Okay, he
Speaker 1: he likes to stir the pot, but hey, that's what
Speaker 1: makes us love, right, or at least tolerated. Now, Rain
Speaker 1: and I we're gonna go deep. This is a deep dive,
Speaker 1: after all. We're gonna talk everything from the kickoff of
Speaker 1: the football season to some of his big boot projects,
Speaker 1: his adventures, and the meaning of the universe. So that's right. This, this,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a big one. That's what she said.
Speaker 1: So settle in, grab a cold one if you want
Speaker 1: no pressure, I definitely will, and get ready for the incredible,
Speaker 1: the unmistakable Rain Wilson, Bubble and Squeak. I love it,
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak. Bubble and Squeaker cook at every month
Speaker 1: left over from the nut Before. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I have absolutely the worst fantasy football team in our league,
Speaker 1: but then I looked at yours. But I don't understand
Speaker 1: how with the team that I have, I don't understand
Speaker 1: how I got seventy six points. All right, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into well discussing some of life's big questions
Speaker 1: and Dwight shrewt. But we're here for some football. Rain
Speaker 1: seventeen year of the Office Fantasy Football League. First off,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the draft a little bit. Now.
Speaker 1: We did the draft. We did a zoom draft, yes,
Speaker 1: and and a snake draft, not an auction draft, a
Speaker 1: snake a snake draft, not an auction draft. And we
Speaker 1: were on zoom most of us, most almost all of us. Now,
Speaker 1: I do have to say this, I thought that the
Speaker 1: the zoom idea is great, but nobody talked and everyone
Speaker 1: was looking at their sheets and the thing. So every
Speaker 1: time I would look at the zoom, all you see
Speaker 1: are people looking down or looking straight ahead, but not
Speaker 1: looking at the camera. They're looking at their things. That's true.
Speaker 1: It's kind of ridiculous. I feel it's true that it
Speaker 1: was kind of still it was not. It was kind
Speaker 1: of a letdown socially, and it wasn't. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: rip roaring fun I thought it would be. I was
Speaker 1: the one who pushed for a zoom although you had
Speaker 1: done it last year. But I couldn't do it last year,
Speaker 1: and last year was more fun. I don't know why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are taking take it seriously. Well they should, Yes,
Speaker 1: they do take it now, you, I would say, you
Speaker 1: take it as seriously as anyone. Sure, Yeah, I take
Speaker 1: it very seriously. Now, you you played David Wallace, Yes,
Speaker 1: you played David Wallace and son and and it's mostly
Speaker 1: his son. Yeah, and then they smoked me and Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill thirty two points, Kelsey twenty three points, uh, Jamaar
Speaker 1: Chase from Cincinnati nineteen points, Robbie Gould from San Francisco
Speaker 1: got fourteen. Um, give me a break. That's more than
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler, my first pick in the kicker from San Francisco. So,
Speaker 1: but what about all the office fans listening right now, going,
Speaker 1: I don't play fantasy football. I don't understand what the
Speaker 1: hell you're talking about. Well, I don't. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not that concerned about that right now, because here's the
Speaker 1: thing we do. And so I want I want to
Speaker 1: I want to talk about about about me for a second.
Speaker 1: And our friend John Krasinski, we had our draft at
Speaker 1: a at a normal time in the United States. He
Speaker 1: was in Romania. The point about bring him up is
Speaker 1: that I played him and because he was traveling in Romania,
Speaker 1: he was auto drafting, and he destroyed destroyed me. I
Speaker 1: mean that's particularly frustrating, Like he got Jalen Hurts who
Speaker 1: scored I don't know, seventy two points. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: thirty thirty five points from Jalen Hurts, who would have
Speaker 1: thunk it. Aaron Rodgers one point three to your good buddy,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. M v P Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was not the best week for the
Speaker 1: Packers and certainly for me. It's very What's what's the
Speaker 1: name of your team? Satan's Ballerinas. That's my old school name.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I mix it up when I have a good pun.
Speaker 1: I have another league where I drafted as an auction league,
Speaker 1: I drafted Russell Wilson, and um I call it, let
Speaker 1: Russ cook meth? Is he cooking meth? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because everyone says let Russ cook. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: Seattle Chant because they want him to get unleashed so
Speaker 1: he can just kind of do his thing, which they're
Speaker 1: finally starting to let him do. And he threw for
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and he's kind of unstoppable. But I like
Speaker 1: to let Russ cook meth because it makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: You you have, well, you have Jason Myers, you have
Speaker 1: the kicker, you have all I have. You have no
Speaker 1: other disappointing. I'm gonna get I'm gonna I'm gonna trade
Speaker 1: for someone. I'm gonna get someone going here. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about Seattle this year? I feel really good
Speaker 1: about Seattle, But there are some other teams out there
Speaker 1: that are really you know, the Rams are going to
Speaker 1: be tough to beat. This year is going to be
Speaker 1: tough across the board. Yeah, and and Arizona as well.
Speaker 1: And I think there's gonna be a few weathers that
Speaker 1: that pop out there. And Tampa Bay was looking surprisingly
Speaker 1: stout after their Super Bowl win on Game one against
Speaker 1: a tough Dallas team. Listen to us, we should have
Speaker 1: our own ESPN show. I mean, really shouldn't we? We
Speaker 1: want to talk about the office at all. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for the people going. I want to talk about this. Well,
Speaker 1: we will, we will, we will talk about the office.
Speaker 1: But I talked to Steven Socks recently, our commissioner of
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Football League. He told us that you offer
Speaker 1: the worst trades to anyone in the now? Is this now?
Speaker 1: Is this? Do you when you're when you're proposing that trade,
Speaker 1: are you just hoping that the other person is not
Speaker 1: paying attention? No, when you offer a trade. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like you go to a market in Morocco and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's a nice rug. How much is it? Nine?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I'll give you thirty Oh you
Speaker 1: are you're crazy? Okay, sixty, I'll give you thirty seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you meet and you you buy it at fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: What I mean like, that's how you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: the draft or a trading. That's what you do a
Speaker 1: trade too. So it's like when I say like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll trade you, you know, um Ryan Tannehell for Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: that means like you, we're gonna meet in the middle,
Speaker 1: We're gonna find something like like work with me here,
Speaker 1: work with me. That's my idea is that you kind
Speaker 1: of work it along. But some people are like they
Speaker 1: get insulted and like no, and and then it's done.
Speaker 1: What about what if I what if I offered you
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott for Austin Ekeler, I would seriously consider that.
Speaker 1: Do you want to trade? Do you want to consummate
Speaker 1: that right now? Yes? Okay, let's do it. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Ezekiel Elliott for Austin Ekeler. Yep, we're done,
Speaker 1: and now we have a trade done consummated publicly. Uh,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. So what what else is
Speaker 1: going on with you besides fantasy? What are you? Are
Speaker 1: there any work projects that are happening right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for asking, Brian um Uh. I just did a
Speaker 1: movie with Brian Cranston and Annette Benning called Jerry and
Speaker 1: Marge Go Large, and it was a very funny and
Speaker 1: interesting film. I'm really excited for people to see it.
Speaker 1: It's based on a true story about this couple in
Speaker 1: Michigan that figured out that this certain lottery game, if
Speaker 1: they played it the right way, they could be guaranteed winners.
Speaker 1: So they got all the people in their small town
Speaker 1: in Michigan to over the years to be playing this
Speaker 1: lottery game and made dozens and dozens of people, I
Speaker 1: won't say like millionaires, but kind of saved their town essentially.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, this is a this is a true
Speaker 1: This is based on true story. True story. I've heard
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, yeah, it's an amazing story. And the
Speaker 1: name of the article if you want to google it
Speaker 1: is Jerry and Marge Go Large and I play a
Speaker 1: supporting role of the guy who runs the liquor store
Speaker 1: where they buy all their thousands of lottery tickets. Um,
Speaker 1: I kind of come along for the ride, So that's
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of fun working with
Speaker 1: Brian again, and people who know that he directed the
Speaker 1: work Bus episode of the Office, terrific director, multitalented human being,
Speaker 1: great human being, and Uh. I shot in Atlanta, your hometown,
Speaker 1: which I have to say was the first time I've
Speaker 1: shot there. I've been through a bunch of times. I
Speaker 1: loved it. Atlanta as an amazing town, great food, culture, diversity, vibrant, traffic, sucks,
Speaker 1: but it was really a phenomenal. And then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna go do uh a part on this
Speaker 1: new AMC limited series called Dark Winds, which I know
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like farts. Warm Winds would be more so,
Speaker 1: but Dark Winds, it sounds like farts. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go do that for a few days. And and then
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of other thing. I'm always cooking
Speaker 1: up stuff, Brian, all of stuff. No, I know You're
Speaker 1: always cooking up stuff. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna for
Speaker 1: one moment, I want to go back to your other
Speaker 1: movie I did. Hey, let's see if I can reconstruct
Speaker 1: the plot of this. The first movie I ever did
Speaker 1: was called Herman Usa Okay, and it was about a
Speaker 1: small town that, oh gosh, I don't want to mess
Speaker 1: this up, that had too many men in it and
Speaker 1: not enough women and the town was dying. And so
Speaker 1: they similarly put out an ad basically like we're looking
Speaker 1: for women to come to town, basically to try to
Speaker 1: get the ratio up. And it worked and that town
Speaker 1: was saved as well. Herman Usa Available. I have no
Speaker 1: idea where from somewhere circa late nineties ish, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I did. I did. I did a movie like that.
Speaker 1: Where not your address, but where were you? What area
Speaker 1: were you staying in Atlanta? I stayed at eighty four
Speaker 1: Willoughby Street. Why. I just literally said, don't give the address. Now,
Speaker 1: that's why I stayed. It's an airbnb. You can go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you can go rent the airbnb that
Speaker 1: I stayed in, and then think about you in that
Speaker 1: airbnb and the things that you did there. I didn't
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Speaker 1: I hear you. Also, you have a new pet if
Speaker 1: we have a My wife is insane, which I love, right,
Speaker 1: She's it's very funny. There is a picture of her
Speaker 1: that she has framed on her desk of her feeding
Speaker 1: these geese that are on her port or her deck,
Speaker 1: like in the seventies when she's a child. She's a
Speaker 1: little girl in a white dress like just just with
Speaker 1: eyes filled with wonder feeding these geese. And she loves
Speaker 1: animal I mean, she's animal gaga crazy. And she has
Speaker 1: horses at a nearby stables. And this is a true story.
Speaker 1: Her horse died, which was very sad, but it was old.
Speaker 1: It was about twenty six years old and it had
Speaker 1: some health problems. Her white horse named Gust died and
Speaker 1: then they cleared it out. They left the stall empty
Speaker 1: and then moved into the stall a week two weeks later,
Speaker 1: was a white peacock. It really was a pea hen,
Speaker 1: a white pea hen, female peacock, And we just moved
Speaker 1: in on its own. Yeah, there's no one knows where
Speaker 1: it came from. They've never seen it before. They've never
Speaker 1: seen any pea hens in the area. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it was just living in this stall. Why no joke,
Speaker 1: a white peacock. It couldn't stay in that in the
Speaker 1: stables because it was flapping around and spooking the horses.
Speaker 1: So and we learned by the way that peacocks are
Speaker 1: the largest flying birds. I always thought like a condor
Speaker 1: was bigger, but I guess the peacock's heavier than a condor.
Speaker 1: So she trained it to go get bird feed in
Speaker 1: a a big pen and then close the pen. And
Speaker 1: we brought it and brought this peacock, Alma, which means
Speaker 1: soul in Spanish, Alma to our house. So now we
Speaker 1: have in fact, I'm looking at Alma right now right
Speaker 1: outside my window. She likes to sit in this olive
Speaker 1: tree and groom herself and looking at me in the window.
Speaker 1: That is, and it won't it doesn't fly away. It
Speaker 1: likes its home. It's like because we feed it. We
Speaker 1: give it some bird seed, berries and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So so you have horses, you also have my favorite
Speaker 1: of your animals. And what I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: existed before a zonkey. We have a zonki. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: we have a zebra donkey hybrid named Derek. But now
Speaker 1: do you have the zonkey because you like the word zonkey,
Speaker 1: because that's why I would have it. I do love
Speaker 1: the word zonki. But this is my wife again. I
Speaker 1: think this is what happens when you marry a minor
Speaker 1: television celebrity and you have too much time on your hands.
Speaker 1: She saw a zonkey and she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It has zebra stripes but looks like
Speaker 1: a donkey. And then she googled zonkies and the first
Speaker 1: thing that came up was Zebra zarros dot com. She
Speaker 1: went to Zebra Zars dot com, which used to be
Speaker 1: located in Riverside, California. She called them, She's like, do
Speaker 1: you sell zonkies and they said, well, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, we just had a new zonkey that was
Speaker 1: born yesterday named it didn't have a name, and for
Speaker 1: thirty when he's six weeks old and can be weaned
Speaker 1: from his mother. We will have him delivered to your house.
Speaker 1: And we had a horse corral behind our house and
Speaker 1: my wife was like, okay, here's my credit card number.
Speaker 1: It was six weeks later there was a zonkey at
Speaker 1: our house. And this is why people hate the elites
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. You have you have a white, semi albino
Speaker 1: peacock y zonkey. We also have a donkey named Chili Beans.
Speaker 1: And by the way, chili Beans is adorable. And donkeys
Speaker 1: are the best animals in the world. I love donkeys.
Speaker 1: They're just sweet, they're cuddly, they're loyal, they're just wonderful.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend And then in our backyard we have two pigs,
Speaker 1: Snortington and Amy. Yeah. And then we have two pit
Speaker 1: bulls rescues, Poe and Diamond. Right, so you're so your dogs,
Speaker 1: you rescue, you're you're more exotic and rescue to Chili Beans.
Speaker 1: A rescue. Derek is not arrescued. Derek is a genetic monstrosity. Zy, Yes,
Speaker 1: because they put the spermatozoa of the go ahead, go
Speaker 1: ahead problem with spermatozoa, you can't say that on your show,
Speaker 1: No go ahead, you can say spermatozoa. Spermatozoa potato, potato,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you put in, you put the spermatozoa into
Speaker 1: to fertilize the female donkey, the zebra spermatozoa into the
Speaker 1: into the vagina right of the donkey. Okay, thereby creating
Speaker 1: Derek the zonky. Okay. So now this is a perfect
Speaker 1: transition because for those of you listening, are we going
Speaker 1: to talk about the Office? For christ say hereination on
Speaker 1: the set of The Office, this is this is what
Speaker 1: I'm going out now. I've talked to several people about this,
Speaker 1: right and about certain actors personalities, and for me, and
Speaker 1: I think for most, you are a crazy dichotomy, right,
Speaker 1: because you are spiritual, which I want to talk about
Speaker 1: in a minute, incredibly spiritual, thoughtful, lover of people and
Speaker 1: the world. And you are the crudest, most inappropriate. Because now,
Speaker 1: if we were on the set of the I don't
Speaker 1: I mean you talk about people talk about you couldn't
Speaker 1: do the Office today. You couldn't do the Office today.
Speaker 1: The reason you couldn't do the Office today is because
Speaker 1: you on set and the description and I was baiting
Speaker 1: you a little, the description that you would have given
Speaker 1: publicly to everyone on set, cast and crew about how
Speaker 1: exactly the Zoonki was created would have been way more
Speaker 1: triple x rated than what you just did. And you
Speaker 1: happened to you you were trying to use scientific terms,
Speaker 1: but yes, go ahead, go ahead now this And this
Speaker 1: is interesting because I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily a
Speaker 1: spiritual person. I I aspire to be a spiritual person,
Speaker 1: which is a person who's thoughtful and of service and
Speaker 1: connected to you know, the reality of God and the
Speaker 1: beauty and harmony of the universe. And I seek to
Speaker 1: kind of let that joy seep through what I who
Speaker 1: I am as a human being. But at the same time, yes,
Speaker 1: I am an inappropriate, raunchy, little thirteen year old at heart,
Speaker 1: and that's just part of who I am. So and
Speaker 1: I also play these weird characters on television comedy, so
Speaker 1: people it's kind of weird when people see me talking
Speaker 1: about the high faith or you know, spiritual concepts or
Speaker 1: conversations and they're like, wait, this is the guy who
Speaker 1: played Dwighten was always taking his shirt off and was
Speaker 1: telling fart jokes on the side of the office jokes. Ye,
Speaker 1: So there's some dichotomy there, but it's all it's all
Speaker 1: in good fun, and it's all to uplift the spirits. Brian,
Speaker 1: it's all to uplift the spirit. I want to go
Speaker 1: into this with you a little bit because people ask
Speaker 1: what you're most thankful for about, you know, working on
Speaker 1: the office or or things that I've gotten from it,
Speaker 1: And I think, in truth, the tremendously powerful messages that
Speaker 1: I hear from people that the show has given some
Speaker 1: comfort in very difficult times, that for me, that that
Speaker 1: gift that people give back to me or to us
Speaker 1: is the greatest gift that that we have. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, service members overseas or someone who's gone through
Speaker 1: you know, having a medical issue or a medical procedure,
Speaker 1: or watching the show in the hospital, that it gives
Speaker 1: great comfort. And my point is, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: that was ever something we talked about. I felt like
Speaker 1: we were just kind of being idiots and trying to
Speaker 1: create this funny show and that sort of underlying comfort
Speaker 1: or nostalgia. Some people have said that wasn't something that
Speaker 1: we were trying for, right. You know, you said that perfectly,
Speaker 1: and I a hundred percent agree with everything that you said.
Speaker 1: And it was literally the most surprising thing about doing
Speaker 1: the Office for me, And it started relatively soon, where
Speaker 1: you know, people early on in season two they started saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I love the show. And then you know, season three,
Speaker 1: you know, oh I watched the show. We watched it
Speaker 1: together as a family, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I started hearing these like, you know, our parents were
Speaker 1: getting a divorce, and the siblings we would all gather
Speaker 1: and watch The Office us and it was a time
Speaker 1: when we could just laugh together. My sister had cancer
Speaker 1: and we would watch it in the in the hospital
Speaker 1: and then the stories and just go on and on
Speaker 1: and on of how much the laughter, camaraderie, bon homie,
Speaker 1: uplifting kind of spirit of what we created. And by we,
Speaker 1: I don't just mean the actors. I mean Greg Daniels
Speaker 1: being our leader, really set the tone and the great
Speaker 1: writer's room that we had and directors and the whole crew.
Speaker 1: It carried through, you know, the love that we had
Speaker 1: on the set carried through into the characters and into
Speaker 1: that world and it has brought a lot of joy
Speaker 1: to two people and solace and especially during this pandemic.
Speaker 1: And I you're absolutely right, Brian. While we were shooting it.
Speaker 1: That was not what I was thinking about. None of
Speaker 1: us were there kind of going, Wow, this the laughter
Speaker 1: that we generate will bring so much peace to people's
Speaker 1: aching hearts in the world. We just were like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Dwight could take his shirt off in this scene. Known,
Speaker 1: what if Kevin bumped into the furniture or something, you know,
Speaker 1: but what a wonderful bounty. And you're right, it's it's
Speaker 1: the thing I am the most grateful for. If I
Speaker 1: have to look in my whole life, you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to set aside gratitude for my wife and
Speaker 1: son and you know, wonderful things in my family professionally,
Speaker 1: when am I most grateful for the fact that I
Speaker 1: got to be a part of the office and that
Speaker 1: it has uplifted people's lives. Yes, Well, you actually just
Speaker 1: said something that had not occurred to me that I
Speaker 1: think is really interesting. We did truly care about each other,
Speaker 1: and that that that there may be something there that
Speaker 1: on screen people can appreciate and observe as truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that carries through. You know, I think the
Speaker 1: the warm, supportive, loving environment that we created on the
Speaker 1: set kind of seeped into dunder Mifflin as kind of
Speaker 1: like the whole idea is that it's a it's a
Speaker 1: cold place, in a weird place, in an alienated place,
Speaker 1: and where these cubicles and we have this terrible boss
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But there was there was a family that
Speaker 1: we created. I couldn't I can't believe and I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe the number of teenagers who said, like, I want
Speaker 1: to work at a place like dunder Mifflin. No you don't.
Speaker 1: I have worked and sold sucking offices before. You do
Speaker 1: not want to do it. And they don't have that
Speaker 1: same camaraderie. And yeah, but you know what's crazy. I
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to talk to a television critic, actually,
Speaker 1: Emily Vanderwerth, and she said something about that point right there,
Speaker 1: that is fascinating working in a dying industry, in a
Speaker 1: in as drab a place as possible, that there is
Speaker 1: how a nostalgia for that because now it's become way
Speaker 1: more corporate and commercial. You know, it's like the difference
Speaker 1: between dunder Mifflin and Staples or whatever, like we talked
Speaker 1: about it in the show. But the transition to today
Speaker 1: and you're graduating college and you're looking for a job
Speaker 1: that there is sort of a weird nostalgia. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: a small, old fashioned office building, people getting together and
Speaker 1: selling things, good old fashioned madmen capitalism. I was just
Speaker 1: reading an article today about how the auto industry is dying,
Speaker 1: like auto dealerships, that whole model is dying, you know,
Speaker 1: with like carbon on online sales and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I do think like ten years from now, there's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot less auto dealerships. So maybe
Speaker 1: there's a time when we're like we long for like
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned car dealership where you get to
Speaker 1: walk in and look at the cars. Never like a
Speaker 1: car museum. Never although and no, I can't stay car dealerships.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, is it age? Is it just
Speaker 1: like my personality. I I need to feel and touch something.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. I need what they said. No,
Speaker 1: but the online stuff is really difficult for me, like
Speaker 1: shopping fully online. I mean, you know, toilet paper or whatever.
Speaker 1: You don't like the car dealerships and you don't like
Speaker 1: to shop online. Yeah, cars are different. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the issue with the car dealerships is I feel like
Speaker 1: intentionally the car industry here we go, We're talking about
Speaker 1: the car industry. The price of car has always been
Speaker 1: a mystery, and now you can find out more and
Speaker 1: more and like that whole idea, like well, let me
Speaker 1: go talk to my manager. Now it's like you go
Speaker 1: online and some of these sites and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what the car costs. This is what you
Speaker 1: can get it for me. Like that, I think the
Speaker 1: whole thing is this, am we should just go to
Speaker 1: the assembly line and they come off and they say,
Speaker 1: here's how much the car is. Like here you go
Speaker 1: and drive it away. You know. I'm with you. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. We're going to fix capitalism, Brian, You and
Speaker 1: I two characters on a comedy television show. We're Gonna
Speaker 1: fix We're gonna fix capitalism. Speaking of I want you
Speaker 1: to tell people about the amazing organization you and your
Speaker 1: wife founded, Lea Day Haiti. I know you've been there
Speaker 1: a number of times. There was just another earthquake in
Speaker 1: the region. Tell me about how that is going and
Speaker 1: how are your how are your people they're doing well?
Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. Yeah. Um, so my wife and I
Speaker 1: went to Haiti before the big earthquake, So we were
Speaker 1: there in two thousand nine and we visited all over.
Speaker 1: We stayed there for like nine or ten days. We
Speaker 1: really fell in love with the country. And then the
Speaker 1: giant earthquake in two thousand and ten and you know,
Speaker 1: three people loss our lives, one of the biggest natural
Speaker 1: disasters in human history, and we knew we needed to
Speaker 1: do something. We both volunteered for this U N sponsored
Speaker 1: arts workshop with adolescent girls that we're all living on
Speaker 1: a The one golf course in Haiti got turned into
Speaker 1: a refugee camp, so we were teaching there and we
Speaker 1: saw the power of teaching the arts and literacy adolescent
Speaker 1: girls and learn more about kind of girls education. Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama her whole thing is girls education is the very
Speaker 1: It's one of the most effective means of creating social
Speaker 1: change and real economic change in a country is through
Speaker 1: girls education. So we along with our good friend Dr
Speaker 1: Catherine Adams, who recently passed away, we started Leaday Haiti
Speaker 1: in rural Haiti, teaching girls. Were now in about eleven locations,
Speaker 1: teaching about working with about eight hund girls. We do scholarships,
Speaker 1: we have a computer lab, We do tutoring and a
Speaker 1: lot of health work because you can't disregard health. There's
Speaker 1: a food program that's connected as well. But I haven't
Speaker 1: been able to go down to Haiti in about two
Speaker 1: or three years because there's been a great political unrest
Speaker 1: down there. We just hired a new I guessaid Catherine
Speaker 1: passed away earlier this year of cancer, was very sad.
Speaker 1: We were able to hire a new in country director
Speaker 1: who's wonderful and she's Haitian. Her name's Regimee, and um,
Speaker 1: we'll be going down soon. Uh. And and we did
Speaker 1: have programs in the south right where the recent earthquake hit,
Speaker 1: so we just took a camera crew down there and
Speaker 1: and documented kind of what was happening. And fortunately are
Speaker 1: our girls all right. Many lost family members however, and um,
Speaker 1: we're trying to kind of shore up that that program.
Speaker 1: And it's been great because basically what i'd you, Brian,
Speaker 1: is every year, in fact, very soon I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: launching a Prizo campaign to raise money. And I whore
Speaker 1: myself out as Dhite and I take all that money
Speaker 1: and I put it all into Leada Haiti, and I'm
Speaker 1: able to raise you a couple hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year just from doing that, and and it's great. It's
Speaker 1: worked out great. So it's a it's a wonderful organization
Speaker 1: and it's really challenging and also really fun to be
Speaker 1: working on it with my wife as well. And we
Speaker 1: have an amazing Haitian staff, incredible Haitian staff, twenty five
Speaker 1: Haitian employees that are good friends of ours that we
Speaker 1: collaborate with. That's awesome. Yeah. If people who are listening
Speaker 1: they want to get involved, where where should they go?
Speaker 1: Lead a Haiti dot org l I d e day
Speaker 1: l I d e Haiti dot org. Yeah, okay, great
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Speaker 1: the office, I mean, this is something you've been doing
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Speaker 1: get your podcast while so you've got fantasy football. That's
Speaker 1: basically enough for me. You're also just shot a movie,
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this other show you're working with Lee day Haiti,
Speaker 1: and you also have a new new ish podcast, Metaphysical Milkshake.
Speaker 1: How did that come about? So a long time ago,
Speaker 1: while I was doing the office, some friends of mine
Speaker 1: and I started a digital media company called Soul Pancake,
Speaker 1: and some of you may know some of the videos.
Speaker 1: We have very successful YouTube channel. We did shows like
Speaker 1: Kid President and My Last Days and a lot of
Speaker 1: viral video hits. Video. Did do a music video, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really fun. You were great and pajamas wonderful. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did a little show on that called Metaphysical Milkshake
Speaker 1: because I love deep philosophical conversations. I just love to
Speaker 1: kind of dig into the biggest possible, big ideas, and
Speaker 1: that's something I've always loved to do ever since I
Speaker 1: was a preteen. So, along with my friend Mr Reza Aslan,
Speaker 1: who is a fantastic historian, writer, commentator, we started this podcast,
Speaker 1: Metaphysical Milkshake, which is exploring life's big questions with some
Speaker 1: of the biggest authors and thinkers and movers and shakers
Speaker 1: out there. We've had Malcolm Gladwell on the show and
Speaker 1: Naomi Klein, so many great thinkers, and the topics are
Speaker 1: all over the place. You know, it's it can be.
Speaker 1: This week we're interviewing I'm so excited this guy, Ave Loebe,
Speaker 1: who's a astrophysicist from Harvard who has this new book, Extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: It's all about the search for alien life. It's a great,
Speaker 1: great book. And so sometimes it's science, sometimes philosophy, sometimes spirituality.
Speaker 1: We're unafraid to talk about, you know, God and life
Speaker 1: and death and the soul. And so that's been really fun.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this forecast media and there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's about twenty episodes out. They come out about every
Speaker 1: week or so. You can subscribe wherever you get your
Speaker 1: fine podcasts. You're talking to great thinkers. I haven't been
Speaker 1: on yet. Oh God, how did we let that happen?
Speaker 1: I mean, great thinkers of our day. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that when we think about some life s,
Speaker 1: big questions that might be involved with topics like golf
Speaker 1: and fantasy football. Yes, you know, I I don't know
Speaker 1: why I'm even I'm no, I'm setting myself up here
Speaker 1: even beginning this subject. But I have to tell you
Speaker 1: that for me, golf does bring me to a place
Speaker 1: of spirituality. And this is not a This is not
Speaker 1: a joke. I know I'm opening myself up, but I
Speaker 1: know it's not a joke. For me, I believe it's this.
Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of you know, I don't specifically met
Speaker 1: it hate. I will at times try to take moments
Speaker 1: of quiet, but for me, on the golf course, it
Speaker 1: is the only time where everything else falls away from me,
Speaker 1: which I feel like is a form of meditating, And
Speaker 1: for me, it is strictly about accomplishing this one task
Speaker 1: and finding focus on that one thing allows everything else
Speaker 1: to go away. Any other anxieties or work or family
Speaker 1: stresses or anything else goes away. And it's simply me
Speaker 1: attempting to accomplish one goal, which is to get the
Speaker 1: ball in the hole. Is that weird? Does that count? No?
Speaker 1: I relate to that completely. Now. I do have a
Speaker 1: meditation practice, but as you know, I play a lot
Speaker 1: of tennis. We used to play tennis together, and you
Speaker 1: are a pretty damn good tennis player and used to
Speaker 1: kick my butt sometimes not all the time, well most
Speaker 1: of the time, but I've gotten a lot better since then.
Speaker 1: That was like twelve years ago. But I feel the
Speaker 1: same way about tennis because I think there's something beautiful
Speaker 1: about sport because it forces you to be in the moment.
Speaker 1: So when I'm on the tennis court, the only thing
Speaker 1: that exists is that green, yellow ball and where is it?
Speaker 1: And how am I going to address it? So all
Speaker 1: of my natural I'm a very anxious person, my anxiety
Speaker 1: lifts away and I'm simply in my body, breathing, moving
Speaker 1: and witnessing this ball and it's exhilarating. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're done playing tennis an hour and a
Speaker 1: half two hours later, and you're like, you just feel
Speaker 1: so refreshed and uplifted because I've been looking at your
Speaker 1: phone and you haven't been pondering things and obsessing over things,
Speaker 1: and you've just been in the moment and been outside. It's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's glorious. So I relate. You. See, here's what we did.
Speaker 1: We just talked about a life space question just like this, irreverently,
Speaker 1: with fun and in a relatable way. And that's what
Speaker 1: we try and do on Metaphysical Milkshake. Oh well, that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem so hard. Yes, I think I could be
Speaker 1: a guest then, yeah, I think so that's if it's
Speaker 1: as easy as that. Well, there you have it. Do
Speaker 1: you have a favorite big question to ponder or one
Speaker 1: that you're currently pondering. Well, I think all of the
Speaker 1: life's big questions that are the most meaningful to me
Speaker 1: are we are living in really difficult times, and with
Speaker 1: climate change, with political divisions, with racism, with fears of
Speaker 1: international divisions, and saber rattling going on, economic insecurity, it's
Speaker 1: a really difficult time to be alive. And I have
Speaker 1: you have kids, and I have a teenage son, and
Speaker 1: for so many young people, as mental health epidemic is
Speaker 1: really extreme anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, it's a very difficult time.
Speaker 1: So any time that you have a question about like
Speaker 1: what what is my life's purpose? Like why are we here?
Speaker 1: And what can we do? On two levels, one make
Speaker 1: the world a better place, but also to give our
Speaker 1: lives kind of a deep satisfying rich wellness and wholeness.
Speaker 1: So those two things go hand in hand. I believe
Speaker 1: like we feel more rich and fulfilled and more well
Speaker 1: the more we're giving to others. And the more we
Speaker 1: give to others, the more rich and whole and fulfilled
Speaker 1: we've we feel. So I think that's what young people
Speaker 1: need to think about. There's so many young folks just
Speaker 1: have given up. You know, it's just like, why should
Speaker 1: I care? It's all the world's going to hell and
Speaker 1: everything's falling apart anyway. But you know, we can make
Speaker 1: a difference. We need to make a difference, and in
Speaker 1: making a difference, you will find mind, your fulfillment, and
Speaker 1: eventually your enlightenment. Excellent. On a recent episode of the podcast,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were raised by aliens, not wolves. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, what does that? What does that mean
Speaker 1: to you? So you know, this goes back to Dwight.
Speaker 1: So my parents were world class weird and I had
Speaker 1: a very fractured family and it was a difficult place
Speaker 1: and way to get raised. I did not have a wholesome,
Speaker 1: loving familial unit. My mom, who was just a crazy hippie,
Speaker 1: took off when I was two in the late sixties.
Speaker 1: My dad raised me. He had been traumatized with a
Speaker 1: really horrific childhood. Then he married my step mom. They
Speaker 1: didn't love each other. They were She was a very
Speaker 1: odd duck herself. So we had on surface what looked
Speaker 1: like a normal human family. I mean, we had meat loaf,
Speaker 1: and we would watch episodes of Mash or Cheers or
Speaker 1: whatever what is on the television, um and and it
Speaker 1: would seem, you know, they would drive me to soccer
Speaker 1: practice or what have you. But it seemed like a family,
Speaker 1: but it really wasn't a family. So they were so
Speaker 1: kind of odd and disconnected and awkward that I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to fit in. So I felt like I
Speaker 1: was being raised literally like third Rock from the Sun,
Speaker 1: like in an alien family where I was. My goal
Speaker 1: was to like, how do normal people act in the world,
Speaker 1: because I don't I'm sure not getting it from my parents.
Speaker 1: So and I do think that that ultimately, that awkwardness
Speaker 1: has helped me play roles like Dwhite, because I'm good
Speaker 1: at playing misfits and outsiders and loners and and and weirdos.
Speaker 1: And I've played a lot of them, not just I've
Speaker 1: played a couple dozen of those along my path as
Speaker 1: an actor. But I think it all comes from from
Speaker 1: my childhood. It all stems from that really weird Petrie
Speaker 1: dish that I grew up in. Yeah, well it's so
Speaker 1: much occurs to me about that, but mostly I mean
Speaker 1: you are you know, for people who haven't seen Rain
Speaker 1: either on the stage, I've said this before, this is
Speaker 1: a public or in other movies. I mean, Rain is
Speaker 1: truly one of the great actors, and he, like I,
Speaker 1: are very interested in human behavior and creating a character physically, emotionally,
Speaker 1: you know, creating a character by using all aspects of
Speaker 1: a person to create that character. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: that helped you? I mean you're having to You're having
Speaker 1: to observe others to figure out how you should behave
Speaker 1: when you're a kid. Do you feel like that helped
Speaker 1: you as an actor or made you want to become
Speaker 1: an actor at that point? Like that study of human behavior? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's what I hadn't really thought of it in
Speaker 1: those terms. That's a great question, you know. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I was always because I was such an outsider
Speaker 1: and I didn't really know how to act, and I'm
Speaker 1: naturally just kind of weird. The study of people and
Speaker 1: learning from them and kind of watching how humans work
Speaker 1: and what makes humans tick is definitely a same set
Speaker 1: of skills that one needs as an actor. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a correlation there, yeah, absolutely, and you know,
Speaker 1: no need even to respond unless you have one. But
Speaker 1: you know this speaks to you know, he just talked,
Speaker 1: Rain just talked about some deep stuff, very candidly about
Speaker 1: his family. Yet I know you and you have a
Speaker 1: relationship with your mom and had a very close relationship
Speaker 1: with your dad, and your your ability to not judge people,
Speaker 1: obviously including your family, is um well, it's a very
Speaker 1: special thing about you. Well, Brian, you're so kind and
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much. I I do judge
Speaker 1: people way too much, and I need to work on
Speaker 1: that on my spiritual journey. But I think you know, listen,
Speaker 1: we're all just we're very flawed, all of us, God
Speaker 1: bless us all. Just like the characters in the Office,
Speaker 1: We're just we're flawed people and we want to be
Speaker 1: loved and we're we struggle and we make mistakes, big,
Speaker 1: big mistakes. So we have to forgive everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: our our parents, ourselves, the characters like you know, Michael
Speaker 1: Scott and Dwight Shrewd and Kevin Malone that are just
Speaker 1: doing their best. And I think that that human that
Speaker 1: basic human spark of humanity that drove the Office. You know,
Speaker 1: These are people wanting to conduct and wanting to be loved,
Speaker 1: and wanting to have meaning and wanting to fit in
Speaker 1: and be liked, and and that everyone has character flaws.
Speaker 1: Even Pam and Jim have character flaws, and they're working
Speaker 1: them out over the course of the show. We never
Speaker 1: really get much. We get a little better. Dwight is
Speaker 1: at the end of the show has a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit more wisdom than when he began, So
Speaker 1: that was cool to be a part of that very
Speaker 1: slow You can't have a One of the problems with
Speaker 1: TV comedies is that everyone gets very wise, very quickly,
Speaker 1: and then after two seasons there it's a different character
Speaker 1: than when they started. You've got to have these deeply
Speaker 1: flawed characters striving to be human, and you've got to
Speaker 1: have them continue to be flawed or maybe even more
Speaker 1: flawed season seven, eight nine, so that it's still interesting
Speaker 1: and funny to watch. You can't have a you can't
Speaker 1: have the Office with a Michael Scott who's self aware
Speaker 1: you know so well, and and maybe that maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that is how the Office helps to answer, or at
Speaker 1: least pose, one of life's big questions, that that flawed
Speaker 1: individuals there's a humanity, there's a love that exists even
Speaker 1: amongst flawed individuals, and and I don't know, maybe gives
Speaker 1: all of us a little more tolerance. Is that too much?
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe right. No, I think I think
Speaker 1: that's what art does. You know, you you and I
Speaker 1: did worked on that Chekov play together way back on
Speaker 1: the day. You know, we love Anton Chekhov and we
Speaker 1: both come from a theater background. And you tell these
Speaker 1: stories and you're hoping that people go into a dark
Speaker 1: theater and watch characters try and live their lives and
Speaker 1: try and fail and try and succeed occasionally, and they
Speaker 1: do the same thing on a television show. And it
Speaker 1: hopes that it just increase says the humanity, that we
Speaker 1: have a bigger heart and more compassion one for another.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's incremental, it's by degrees. But hopefully the
Speaker 1: office has made a little bit of difference in that respect. Rain,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking to me. I love you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate our friendship so much. And um and good luck, Brian.
Speaker 1: You're such a kind and good person. And congrats on
Speaker 1: the success of this wonderful show. And it's been an
Speaker 1: honor being on it. I miss you living way down
Speaker 1: in extreme southern California that you live. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say any town names, but um, I hope that when
Speaker 1: you're up here too, we can actually see each other
Speaker 1: and have a nice big hug and a big slobbery
Speaker 1: kiss because you know I'll go for it. No, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt you'll go for it. Well, I have to
Speaker 1: come because I have. That's what she said. There you go, No,
Speaker 1: I have to see them, the white peacock. Gotta go see.
Speaker 1: You've got to meet Alma. Yeah, and bring the kids
Speaker 1: up to see Almah and the feed the pigs done.
Speaker 1: It's a promise. We'll get Oscar and and Ursula and
Speaker 1: we'll make a day of it, all right. I love it.
Speaker 1: Thanks Rain, I love you, Brian, Thank you. Well. Folks.
Speaker 1: There you go with Rain Wilson, it is always going
Speaker 1: to get really deep. There you have it, a brief
Speaker 1: glimpse into the many facets, the many, the many sides
Speaker 1: of Rain Wilson, and well a taste of what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get if you tune into Metaphysical Milkshake with Rain
Speaker 1: and Reza on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you listen
Speaker 1: to podcast It's Everywhere again if you want to find
Speaker 1: out more about lead a Haiti l I d e
Speaker 1: Haiti dot org Rain, thank you so much. When you
Speaker 1: talk to Rain, You're going to cover a variety of topics.
Speaker 1: Next week, we're going to hear from the incredible, the
Speaker 1: hilarious Ellie Kemper, of course, who played Aaron Hannon on
Speaker 1: the show The Office. Thank you so much for stopping by.
Speaker 1: I hope that you have a fantastic week. We'll see
Speaker 1: you next time. The Office. Deep Dive is hosted and
Speaker 1: executive produced by me Brian bum Gartner, alongside our executive
Speaker 1: producer Langley. Our producers for this episode are Liz Hayes
Speaker 1: and Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is
Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak performed by
Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Ratten, and the episode was mixed
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