Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg sound On.
Speaker 1: I don't think the federal government should give handouts to
Speaker 1: big oil the tune of forty billion dollars. Administrations since
Speaker 1: day one has been implementing policies that are shutting down
Speaker 1: American Annergy Bloomberg sound on Politics, Policy and perspective from
Speaker 1: DC's top name. He let's have him one flower point.
Speaker 1: I'm not a pilot, I'm a football player. I'm a politician.
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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. President Biden takes another swing at big oil
Speaker 1: with one full week of campaigning to go. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics. After a busy weekend on
Speaker 1: the trail, will bring you the President's remarks here in
Speaker 1: just a moment in view of the political landscape with
Speaker 1: poster David Paleyo logos of the Suffolk University Political Research Center. Later,
Speaker 1: as new details emerged surrounding the attack on Paul Pelosi,
Speaker 1: the blame game also continues. We'll talk about the heightened
Speaker 1: tensions and the role political rhetoric is playing in all
Speaker 1: of this with Congresswoman Debbie Dingle, Democrat from Michigan has
Speaker 1: been the target of repeated threats herself. Our signature panel
Speaker 1: is in place. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick
Speaker 1: Davis are here for the hour, and we start and
Speaker 1: go figure why President Biden not falling punches when it
Speaker 1: comes to big oil. Eight days to go, eight days
Speaker 1: to the election, and he's back out swinging. Held an
Speaker 1: event a short time ago, speech at the White House,
Speaker 1: as you heard live on Bloomberg. Look, I'm a capitalist.
Speaker 1: You've heard me say this before. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with corporations turning a fair profit or getting to return
Speaker 1: on their investment in the innovation. But this is remotely
Speaker 1: what's happening. Oil companies record profits today are not because
Speaker 1: of doing something new or innovative. Their profits are a
Speaker 1: windfall of war, the windfall from the brutal conflict that's
Speaker 1: ravaging you cry and hurding tens of millions of people
Speaker 1: around the globe, A windfall of war. By the way,
Speaker 1: Exxon Mobile still higher. The President says, of course, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot the White House can do here. He's
Speaker 1: gonna go to Congress when they're back to seek higher
Speaker 1: taxes on oil. Companies that record windfall profits. It's unclear
Speaker 1: exactly what that would look like or if lawmakers will
Speaker 1: bring it up after the midterm elections. Of course, the
Speaker 1: president here is trying to get to the matter of inflation.
Speaker 1: Right The biggest driver of inflation has been energy, and
Speaker 1: that's not going to change as we head into the
Speaker 1: winter heating months. If you're like David Paleo Logos, you
Speaker 1: live in New England, you're surrounded by people with oil
Speaker 1: tanks in the basement and they're really expensive to fill.
Speaker 1: Right now, he joins us at the start of our program,
Speaker 1: the director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, David
Speaker 1: Paleo Logos. In a week, David, it will be Christmas morning.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you back as we look at
Speaker 1: the landscape here and the shifting polls. Is a speech
Speaker 1: like this going to make a difference. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: you know, you it's great to be back, But you know,
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of early voting that's going on. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's about the one factor that I'm seeing that's helping Democrats.
Speaker 1: It's not his speech on oil and oil profits. It's
Speaker 1: who's gonna come out and who's gonna show up on
Speaker 1: election day. Uh that said, I see five thirty eight
Speaker 1: moved the Senate to essentially a toss up. Over the
Speaker 1: past couple of days, no one other than Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: seems to think Democrats can keep the House. Is it
Speaker 1: likely they will lose both? I wouldn't say likely. I
Speaker 1: think it's likely they lose the House. And and to
Speaker 1: the to the dismay of Speaker Pelosi, the Senate, you
Speaker 1: know should the Senate should go to the Republicans. But
Speaker 1: two major factors really have made it difficult for Republicans.
Speaker 1: One is the Reverses Wade overturn, which has mobilized a
Speaker 1: lot of women to register and to vote and to
Speaker 1: vote early. And secondly, I mean the Republicans didn't really
Speaker 1: feel their a list of candidates. I mean even in
Speaker 1: states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, the Republican nominees are struggling
Speaker 1: with their own favorability. Fact in Pennsylvania os and most
Speaker 1: polls has a higher unfavorable than favorable, So they really
Speaker 1: could have fielded better candidates. Same thing with Masters in
Speaker 1: Arizona and Bulldock and New Ampshes. So they may still
Speaker 1: win despite their own shortcomings. But it would have been
Speaker 1: a lot easier had there been better, more moderate Republicans nominated.
Speaker 1: But you just illustrated. You just called out all the states,
Speaker 1: all of them essentially too close to call here. Uh
Speaker 1: could move a bit, I suppose in the next week.
Speaker 1: But this is why we're either going to be a
Speaker 1: relate election night or the for the following several nights. Uh, David,
Speaker 1: We're not going to know for some time who controls
Speaker 1: the Senate, are we No, No, absolutely not. You know,
Speaker 1: Suffolk is releasing a poll of Nevada likely voters tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna release Pennsylvania on Wednesday, and then
Speaker 1: on Thursday, we're going to release uh some Bellweather counties
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania because that seems to be the race that
Speaker 1: everyone's focused on. And in Massachusetts, as you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of a sleeper, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, not much happening. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of pollsters, not just myself, but a lot of posters
Speaker 1: usually you know, we didn't pull Massachusetts that much this cycle,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really for any other reason than we
Speaker 1: don't want to lower the turnout. I mean, turnout has
Speaker 1: been very very low in Massachusetts as it is, because
Speaker 1: the polls are showed really no contents, right, and you've
Speaker 1: got a governor's race that's pretty lopsided. But David Paley
Speaker 1: logo's guests, who's coming to pay you a visit this weekend?
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, Kamala Harris. Why is the vice
Speaker 1: president going to, of all places, the home of these
Speaker 1: lopsided races? Is it Andrea Campbell running for the attorney general.
Speaker 1: I love to be in her mind, but I I
Speaker 1: looked at it when when you had reached out to
Speaker 1: me today. I mean, the first thought was, I think
Speaker 1: she she needs to be participating as a Democratic leader.
Speaker 1: She can't go to a swing state because she's ten
Speaker 1: points lower than even Joe Biden and right, so so
Speaker 1: she needs a win. She needs to be active, So
Speaker 1: Massachusetts and coming to an urban city in Massachusetts, Boston
Speaker 1: is a great safe place for her to be to
Speaker 1: help mar Healey make history next week. Uh and who knows,
Speaker 1: you know, it's part of the New Hampshire media market,
Speaker 1: at least in the southern counties, so I think she'll
Speaker 1: get some attention, maybe she raises some money. So it's
Speaker 1: really it really benefits her more than I think. It's
Speaker 1: just incredible because it's got to benefit someone for a
Speaker 1: vice president to get on an airplane. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama has been out, Donald Trump has been out.
Speaker 1: Fascinating to see the push and pull here of two
Speaker 1: former presidents, one of whom is threatening to run again.
Speaker 1: Of course Barack Obama doesn't have that concern. And boy,
Speaker 1: he just looked as relaxed as ever on the stump.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna we're gonna hear some of his remarks
Speaker 1: a little bit later on this hour as he moved
Speaker 1: through Georgia, as he moved through Michigan and Wisconsin. Is
Speaker 1: gonna be in Nevada tomorrow, then it's onto Arizona. Uh
Speaker 1: my goodness, Pennsylvania. You just highlighted at David will have
Speaker 1: all of them Obama, Biden, Trump or any of the
Speaker 1: presidents or former presidents. We're talking about making any difference
Speaker 1: by showing up like this. So strategically, we know that
Speaker 1: there are ugeen of ever races, and we know that
Speaker 1: Trump can amp up turnout and so can Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: especially in urban centers. So this is not about persuasion anymore.
Speaker 1: We've got the undecideds in most of these states, and
Speaker 1: single digits and in many cases low single digits. But
Speaker 1: it's really about turnout. And you know, if Barack Obama
Speaker 1: turns out an extra five thousand people in an urban area,
Speaker 1: the Democrats gonna win probably forty five hundred of those
Speaker 1: five thousands. So that's a real difference thousands of votes
Speaker 1: in a close statewide election. Similarly, Donald Trump the same
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Trump will focus on suburban and rural
Speaker 1: areas to try and amp up what might be a
Speaker 1: sleepy turnout in some of those areas for different reasons.
Speaker 1: It's a mid term election, but it's all about turnout. Fascinating.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the numbers you get. Stay
Speaker 1: in touch with this, David. Love to have you back
Speaker 1: after you get Nevada in Arizona. You said, right, the
Speaker 1: next two days, that's your protect Pennsylvania, got it, David,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just putting darts here on the map.
Speaker 1: There is some really important states to watch. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to rank them at this point because they're
Speaker 1: all so close. We assembled our panel for a quick
Speaker 1: swing on what we've already heard here reminding you that
Speaker 1: we began this hour at the White House with Joe
Speaker 1: Biden cracking down again on big oil. Genie Chanzano and
Speaker 1: Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributors make our signature panel, and Genie,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that move the needle at all for
Speaker 1: you to hear the president today going back to the well,
Speaker 1: I guess pun intended here on oil as the main
Speaker 1: driver of inflation. He's looking at the polls. Abortion is
Speaker 1: not coming close right now, it's not. But this is
Speaker 1: an argument Joe Biden has been making for some time.
Speaker 1: But I think what really drove this, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: on his schedule, as you know, until today scheduled event,
Speaker 1: were these three quarter numbers, which are quite astonishing and
Speaker 1: astounding when you hear the record, prof it's these companies
Speaker 1: are you raking in? And he went through Exxon, he
Speaker 1: went through the shell Chevron. So I think that's what's
Speaker 1: driving this. It's not a new message from the president,
Speaker 1: but I think politically it makes sense to show people
Speaker 1: that he does care about this, that he does have
Speaker 1: a plan. Now sure it's not a plan that's going
Speaker 1: to pass anytime soon, but it is something he wants
Speaker 1: to say. Inflation, gas prices matter to us. We are
Speaker 1: watching this closely and doing everything we can to address it.
Speaker 1: Of course, Congress comes back from the mid terms, Rick,
Speaker 1: life may well be very different here in Washington. Does
Speaker 1: the White House really think lawmakers will be quick to
Speaker 1: craft legislation on this posts election? You know, probably not.
Speaker 1: If the Democrats went in the House and keep the
Speaker 1: Senate majority, Uh, maybe they can take a run at this.
Speaker 1: But as you point out, Um, most of the pun
Speaker 1: ins are thinking that the House will be flipping to
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and and that sort of as a
Speaker 1: big stopper for this kind of initiatives. And look, it's
Speaker 1: a president who came to the inflation story late. I mean,
Speaker 1: first he was in denial for the first half of
Speaker 1: this year. Then it was it's all about the Fed.
Speaker 1: That's their job to fix inflation. This is actually one
Speaker 1: of the very few times I've seen him really take
Speaker 1: control and say, you know what, you know, higher gas
Speaker 1: prices are hurting us, it's creating inflation, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do something about it. I'm gonna punish the people who
Speaker 1: are raising these prices. You know, if he had been
Speaker 1: doing this for the last year, and you know year,
Speaker 1: I think he would have had a chance at making
Speaker 1: an impact, But at this stage in some of these states,
Speaker 1: you've already got the voting. Eleventh hour move here by
Speaker 1: the White House. Although the Genie's point, it's consistent with
Speaker 1: what we've seen and heard from this president. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Joe Biden, Big Oil then ever, getting back
Speaker 1: together again, we'll reassemble the panel next. Rick and Genie
Speaker 1: with us for the hour in a special conversation later
Speaker 1: this hour with Congresswoman Debbie Dingle right here on sound
Speaker 1: on this He's Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound on
Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bird Radio. We should note, less
Speaker 1: than an hour after the President was chastising big oil companies,
Speaker 1: he's just emerged from the South Portico with the first
Speaker 1: lady for trick or treating. Yeah it's Halloween. Oh look,
Speaker 1: there's there's another one, Genie, there's another butterfly. We're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who they're dressed as. Just dipping in here.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is live sound as the kids.
Speaker 1: We've got two panda bears now coming up for a
Speaker 1: little candy little trick or treat. The President, by the way,
Speaker 1: is dressed as Joe Biden tonight and it's raining if
Speaker 1: you're curious in Washington. Beautiful arrangement there. My goodness, it's
Speaker 1: just it's Halloween Heaven on the South Lawnson. And of
Speaker 1: course this is a rite of passage for all presidents,
Speaker 1: for all administrations to do a little trick or treat here.
Speaker 1: Remember when Donald Trump put the candy bar on the
Speaker 1: kid's head. Wasn't sure what to do about that. Genie
Speaker 1: is with me here in Washington, Genie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics
Speaker 1: contributor Rick Davis is along as well. On the other
Speaker 1: side of the river, they make our signature panel. Ricky've
Speaker 1: already been out trick or treating with the kids tonight.
Speaker 1: Did you get anything good? Uh? Anything with chocolate in
Speaker 1: it is good. I would never take candy from my granddaughter.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's her candy, not mine. I heard, and
Speaker 1: of course we know you're lying, as I heard a
Speaker 1: study on that today there was something like nine of
Speaker 1: parents admit to stealing their kids candy. You know nothing
Speaker 1: about that, Genie, I know nothing about that. I never
Speaker 1: sold any of my children's candy whatsoever? What is Rick
Speaker 1: Davis dressed up as tonight Rick Davis? We're all in costume.
Speaker 1: The listeners can guess. Right, the president is looking pretty
Speaker 1: good out there, although I just I don't know what
Speaker 1: we have another I'm assuming remember the family are dressed
Speaker 1: as a butterfly with pink hair, trying to scare up
Speaker 1: some votes with eight days to go. Now, we've been
Speaker 1: talking quite a bit about the mid terms here, and
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, it was Barack Obama's weekend on the trail.
Speaker 1: But Hersha Walker was a heck of a football player.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean some of you are too young
Speaker 1: to remember, but in college he was amazing, one of
Speaker 1: the best running backs of all time. But but but
Speaker 1: here's the question. Does that make him the best person
Speaker 1: to represent you in the USA? This, of course from
Speaker 1: a stop in Georgia, make him equipped two weigh in
Speaker 1: on the critical decisions about our economy and our foreign
Speaker 1: policy in our future. That let's let's do a thought experiment.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're at the airport and you see Mr
Speaker 1: Walker and you say, hey, there's Hershell Walker, Heisman winner.
Speaker 1: Let's have him fly the plane. Okay, so a good
Speaker 1: one for the crowd. Hershall Walker quick to respond, looking
Speaker 1: at this board a wilde open. Have they talked about that?
Speaker 1: Did Obama mentioned that when you were talking about Hershall
Speaker 1: fly on a plane. I don't want to fly a plane.
Speaker 1: I'm not a pilot. I'm a football player. I'm a politician.
Speaker 1: I'm a lover and I love everybody. That's what I
Speaker 1: I'm that warrior for God and he should have been,
Speaker 1: he even borne, but he's not. He won't to talk
Speaker 1: about me. Well, and I'm not a celebrity because all
Speaker 1: he do is hang out with celebrity. He never hung
Speaker 1: out with me. I probably hang out with him anyway.
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, let me get all of him go.
Speaker 1: He's not even running it. I guess that is true.
Speaker 1: Actually he's not running, but he is certainly making the rounds.
Speaker 1: Not just Georgia into Michigan. He was in Wisconsin. He'll
Speaker 1: begin Nevada, Arizona this week, Pennsylvania. It's endless. And Rick,
Speaker 1: you know you've been through this before, running campaigns. You
Speaker 1: start involving we'll call them political celebrities. What's the benefit
Speaker 1: is is David paleo logos? Right? This is simply about
Speaker 1: getting African American turnout in a place like Georgia. Well,
Speaker 1: it's certainly one of the highest priorities, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, African American registration is almost fifty cent of
Speaker 1: that state. Um, you've got to African American candidates running
Speaker 1: for the Senate. Uh. It is an important event and
Speaker 1: nobody has the credibility with African American voters that uh
Speaker 1: than Barack Obama does. So he could be a game changer,
Speaker 1: even if it's one. UM. I think the key thing
Speaker 1: here is can you get Warnock up over that fifty
Speaker 1: percent threshold? Because at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: not about beaten herschel Walker, it's getting away without having
Speaker 1: to go through a runoff. And in this case, neither
Speaker 1: one of them are anywhere near Barack Obama. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you he's the closer. I forget who called him that
Speaker 1: over the weekend, Genie. I guess the question is will
Speaker 1: it Will it make a difference in turn out? And
Speaker 1: knowing that these races are within a point, wouldn't take
Speaker 1: a lot, I suppose to move the needle. Wouldn't take
Speaker 1: a lot to move the needle. UM. But you know
Speaker 1: one thing you have to remember about Barack Obama is
Speaker 1: he has not actually done a great job increasing turnout
Speaker 1: unless he's been on the ballot. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that Democrats have talked about behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: He is an amazing person on the stump. He is
Speaker 1: a great speaker. He I think makes a really important
Speaker 1: point as it pertains to Walker's fitness for office. The reality,
Speaker 1: as he said, is you actually have to know stuff
Speaker 1: to do the job. You have to be able to
Speaker 1: pilot the ship. That's who who know. Apparently Walker doesn't
Speaker 1: realize that's an old analogy goes all the way back
Speaker 1: to Plato. But you know. But but the reality is
Speaker 1: whether or not he can increase turnout is still an
Speaker 1: open question. Democrats are hoping that he can, and let's
Speaker 1: face it, he is their best bet. At one point
Speaker 1: it was Bill Clinton. Those days have come and gone,
Speaker 1: and now it falls on Barack Obama. And we may
Speaker 1: even see him with Joe Biden in Pennsylvania, although I
Speaker 1: understand they still haven't committed to that joint appearance. That
Speaker 1: would be quite uh, that would be quite the rally
Speaker 1: says now it's a dead heat for the Senate. Rick.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that even last week, is this continuing
Speaker 1: to move in Republicans direction? Well, it has been moving
Speaker 1: and and that is a thing you really care about polling,
Speaker 1: is what direction is going in. You can't really live
Speaker 1: by the numbers themselves, but if you see moving in
Speaker 1: a direction, you pretty much know that that's where the
Speaker 1: energy is, that's where the activity is going to be.
Speaker 1: And and and if you, if you had to pick it,
Speaker 1: you'd want to be in that case the Republicans going
Speaker 1: into election week because right now there aren't any ads
Speaker 1: that are gonna make a big difference. There aren't even
Speaker 1: that many events like the Barack Obama event they're gonna
Speaker 1: make that big a difference. Ricky Genie's day with Us
Speaker 1: for the Hour, our signature panel. Mike Myers just scared
Speaker 1: the President. This is Bloomberg. Elon Musk's deleted tweets over
Speaker 1: the weekend suggesting the attack on Paul Pelosi was somehow
Speaker 1: the result of a personal scandal got most of the
Speaker 1: attention over the weekend. With the nuances that we heard
Speaker 1: on the Sunday morning shows from the politicians themselves, from
Speaker 1: in this case, the head of the r N, c
Speaker 1: Ronald McDaniel, on Fox kind of dancing around this walking
Speaker 1: a very fine line, maybe I'll put it that way
Speaker 1: on exactly who is to blame for all of this,
Speaker 1: whether political rhetoric led this way, because you know, Democrats
Speaker 1: at the end of the weekend, in our program here
Speaker 1: on Friday, we heard from a lot of Democrats saying
Speaker 1: that this was the direct results of conservative partisan rhetoric
Speaker 1: beginning with Donald Trump, and the pushback began over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's just unfair and I think we all need to
Speaker 1: recognize violence is up across the board. Leezelden was attacked,
Speaker 1: we had an assassination attempt against Brett Kavanaugh, and Democrats didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, didn't repudiate that. Joe Biden didn't talk about
Speaker 1: the assassination attempt against Brett Cavanaugh. But I think the
Speaker 1: other thing to remember is if this weren't Paul Pelosi,
Speaker 1: this criminal would probably be out on the street tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We saw Lez Elden's attacker was on the street right
Speaker 1: after he attacked him. This is what Democrat policies are bringing.
Speaker 1: But of course we wish Paul Pelosi recovery. We don't
Speaker 1: like this at all, by the way, Paul Pelosi, but
Speaker 1: that that's the pivot. Right. Most of the answers we
Speaker 1: heard acknowledged what happened, deflected blame, and then moved on
Speaker 1: to the issue of crime. Chris and Noon to the
Speaker 1: governor of New Hampshire. Interesting take on this. He was
Speaker 1: on Meet the Press on NBC. He says, you've got
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning. They started back in
Speaker 1: the summer of right when when you saw cities, Bernie,
Speaker 1: you saw not a lot, a whole lot of accountability
Speaker 1: there the line for folks that were disagreeing with what
Speaker 1: might have been happened, not happy with what's happening in
Speaker 1: their communities. The line completely moved with very little accountability.
Speaker 1: And then it was on to January six. Boy, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty truncated view of what happened. It all began
Speaker 1: in Congresswoman Debbie Dingle, I'm gonna guess would argue with
Speaker 1: that Democrat from Michigan as part of the Democratic leadership
Speaker 1: in the House, and of course was subject to a
Speaker 1: series of threats, even had her office broken into and
Speaker 1: vandalized and knows a bit about this. She's with us
Speaker 1: right now, Congresswoman, welcome. Is this reaching a new level
Speaker 1: as time goes on, how do you cool it off? Well,
Speaker 1: I do say a three teen new levels and I'm
Speaker 1: deeply concerned about it. It's good, thank you for having
Speaker 1: uh me with you this afternoon. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: not just at the federal level. People have focused on
Speaker 1: the congressional level, and I could really talk about what
Speaker 1: some of uh my colleagues are are doing, and I'm
Speaker 1: horrified by it, but I think it's happening towards Republicans
Speaker 1: and Democrats. At Steve's Galase was horrifically shot on a
Speaker 1: baseball field, So I want to be very clear that, um,
Speaker 1: this is not Republican Democrats. So I do believe there's
Speaker 1: a certain group of people that are using language and
Speaker 1: encouraging and inflaming and helping to normalize violence that should
Speaker 1: not be normalized. But what I've seen at home in
Speaker 1: the last month, even if my school board members are
Speaker 1: wearing bullet profess, and because I've talked to other school
Speaker 1: board members, I'm hearing that across the country. State legislatures
Speaker 1: in Michigan have been wearing bullet profess. It's men. We're
Speaker 1: at the state capital with the salt weapons long before
Speaker 1: January six and I think. But what should really worry
Speaker 1: all of us is how we're normalizing this in our community,
Speaker 1: pies and little and big ways every day, and that
Speaker 1: we all have to stand up to hate wherever and
Speaker 1: whenever we see it. I'm glad that you mentioned Steve Scalise.
Speaker 1: We've we've tried to be balanced with this coverage, Congresswoman,
Speaker 1: and not put this into some sort of a blame game.
Speaker 1: How would you react to Republicans over the weekend, though,
Speaker 1: suggesting that this is a symptom of crime more than
Speaker 1: political violence. I don't think it's a symptom of UH crime.
Speaker 1: I think And by the way, I'm tired of people
Speaker 1: making people make false choices. Uh, I am. You know.
Speaker 1: I stand up for our law enforcement every single day.
Speaker 1: They keep us safe every day. There are people that
Speaker 1: are at times not behaving as they should, and they
Speaker 1: need to be able, accountable, and a lot nobody had
Speaker 1: ever heard of. I mean, he had been ranting on
Speaker 1: UH in social media, but the person that attacked Paul
Speaker 1: Pelosi and Friday had no record. I have had threats
Speaker 1: and threats that I've gotten at times have been from
Speaker 1: people that there is no record of. And there are
Speaker 1: other people that you know clearly have mental health issues,
Speaker 1: and we do have a mental health issue, uh in
Speaker 1: our country. But you know, I think it's happening in
Speaker 1: ways big and small that people don't even think about.
Speaker 1: We're normalizing it. You know. The Michigan Michigan State game,
Speaker 1: for me, is always one of the biggest and most wonderful,
Speaker 1: you know games, especially when we win, which we did Saturday.
Speaker 1: But when it ends with a fight and and ten
Speaker 1: players beating up on one player and breaking a nose.
Speaker 1: That's the normalization of violence that we're seeing in little ways,
Speaker 1: in big ways. It's not just members of converse you're
Speaker 1: worried about shooting. People are being The violence is taking
Speaker 1: place in communities where people gather. It's happening in movie theaters,
Speaker 1: It's happening in places of worship, It's happening in shopping malls,
Speaker 1: and communities have to stand up to hate. That's what
Speaker 1: we must start to do. You're you're transcending party lines,
Speaker 1: which is refreshing. Congresswoman. Should lawmakers be afforded uh security
Speaker 1: details that they do not now have? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be very blunt. You can't keep for thirty
Speaker 1: five House members and a hundred senators safe twenty four
Speaker 1: hours a day, seven days a week. I think we
Speaker 1: they have tried very hard uh to upgrade security for
Speaker 1: members at home. There's new programs there, and I don't
Speaker 1: even by the way, I think we should be talking
Speaker 1: about security of individuals UH like that publicly, though. I
Speaker 1: think there are things that we have to do, but
Speaker 1: I think all of us I am going to tell
Speaker 1: you I was horrified when and I have been very
Speaker 1: careful to not attack people directly, though I think there's
Speaker 1: some people we should hold accountable for the words that
Speaker 1: they're doing every day. But a tweet shooting a gun
Speaker 1: and saying fire Pelosi is not the right message we
Speaker 1: should be sending to anybody right now, nor should anybody
Speaker 1: be defending that. We all have to think about all
Speaker 1: of us as leaders that need to understand words have consequences,
Speaker 1: actions have consequences, and as leaders, we need to be
Speaker 1: dialing it down while we're raising down the level, not
Speaker 1: in flaming it with kerosene. And thats the way I'm different.
Speaker 1: Run around Nie McDaniels. She's my constituent and there are
Speaker 1: people that have gone after her, and iart said that
Speaker 1: is wrong. It is not right. You should not ever
Speaker 1: threaten any human being. Well, Tom Romer was Tom Emmer
Speaker 1: rather was pretty incredible to watch on cb S over
Speaker 1: the weekend as well. Deflecting on that very issue that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the tweet that you that's that's the one
Speaker 1: you're referring to, right, Yeah, it was. I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't even say his name, but I didn't know he
Speaker 1: had done that, quite frankly, until after I saw the program.
Speaker 1: And it's really we need to understand each of us.
Speaker 1: Each of us has responsibility to think about the consequences
Speaker 1: of our words and our actions, and quite frankly, we're
Speaker 1: not going to I think my colleagues, every one of
Speaker 1: them needs to think about what they're saying. And there
Speaker 1: are some that are very deliberately and flaming and being inflammatory.
Speaker 1: But I believe it's going to happen at the local
Speaker 1: level when people start standing up and saying we are
Speaker 1: not going to tolerate this. We have to stand up
Speaker 1: to hate. Well, I do want people to hear a
Speaker 1: piece of that conversation. Again, this is with Tom Emmer
Speaker 1: and Margaret Brennan on CBS's Face the Nation. It's an
Speaker 1: important element of the story that we're talking about here, Congresswoman,
Speaker 1: Let's listen because in this bulleton it also talks about
Speaker 1: a link in drawing uh An undermining confidence and elections
Speaker 1: because of this was a portion of the conversation about
Speaker 1: confidence and elections here now about the posting of him
Speaker 1: firing a gun with the hashtag fire Pelosi. I know,
Speaker 1: and I would love to talk about something other than
Speaker 1: people being worried for their lives, but unfortunately that's where
Speaker 1: we are. I want to ask you about this when
Speaker 1: it comes to political violence. On your Twitter feed, you
Speaker 1: posted this video We're gonna show just a few days ago,
Speaker 1: where you're firing a gun and it says enjoyed exercising
Speaker 1: my second Amendment right hashtag fire Pelosi. Why is there
Speaker 1: a gun in a political added all, I wasn't an
Speaker 1: act hashtag hashtag fired Pelosi with a weapon? Well, would
Speaker 1: your pink slip be more fitting if it's about firing her?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the host ough would be suggesting
Speaker 1: what to post here a congresswoman, but you have made
Speaker 1: the point that that does go too far. We found
Speaker 1: the line right, but for me, that's the line. I
Speaker 1: think there are other lines as well. Um, but that
Speaker 1: is really good. The picture of that gun and the
Speaker 1: phrase fire, and the mood that we know that people
Speaker 1: are in and that there are some I mean, they're
Speaker 1: really angry people out there. I mean I posted a
Speaker 1: Facebook page the sort of blog yesterday. I didn't go
Speaker 1: after anybody. I just said we all got to think
Speaker 1: about what we're doing and the kind of hate that
Speaker 1: came back, the kind of you know, the conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: The the conspiracy theories are also adding to this and
Speaker 1: putting kerosene on and people believe it. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, I will go after somebody. I think the
Speaker 1: new owner of Twitter has got some responsibilities too, and
Speaker 1: was horrified that he would participate in some of this
Speaker 1: conspiracy there, he said, has no fact to it, no
Speaker 1: true do it Pretty fascinating when the new CEO of
Speaker 1: Twitter is deleting his own tweets within Hour's like that, congresswoman,
Speaker 1: are you concerned about the temperature rising more? Following next
Speaker 1: Tuesday night. It's been pretty clear to us here at
Speaker 1: Bloomberg that a lot of voters are not prepared for
Speaker 1: the fact that these races we spend so much time
Speaker 1: talking about, particularly in the Senate are not going to
Speaker 1: be decided by the next morning, or even the next day,
Speaker 1: or maybe even that week. That's the environment that caused
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble in I am concerned about it. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to be afraid to go to
Speaker 1: the polls. Law enforcement and clerks, Republican and Democrats, are
Speaker 1: working to make sure that people are safe at the
Speaker 1: polls and that every vote is going to be counted
Speaker 1: accurately and honestly. And I do believe that the vast
Speaker 1: majority uh elected officials, the clerks who are responsible for
Speaker 1: conducting elections, are trying to prepare people that, for a
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, we are not going to know in
Speaker 1: a number of states who the winners are at that night.
Speaker 1: And I think all of us, I can't count on
Speaker 1: some of my some people that I know who are
Speaker 1: likely going to be out there fanning fires. But I
Speaker 1: hope that people who listen to your show and people
Speaker 1: across America are going to stand up when they say
Speaker 1: see people trying to intimidate, try to cause trouble, to
Speaker 1: say we're not gonna let you do that. We're not
Speaker 1: This is not going to happen. This is not going
Speaker 1: to happen in our community, our state, our country. Eat
Speaker 1: things to go here, Congress, and one of the polls
Speaker 1: wrong about Democrats losing the House. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: the only poll that matters is the polling election day.
Speaker 1: To everybody in the world, tell me I was crazy
Speaker 1: when I told them that Donald Trump was going to
Speaker 1: win into sixteen and I still may be crazy. Uh
Speaker 1: he did win. And I'm going to tell you right now,
Speaker 1: Might I have a good gut a meter? I have
Speaker 1: been right in many elections that people listen to me.
Speaker 1: You know, I really warned people about two sixteen, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately was right. But I don't think this election is broken.
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of different issues that
Speaker 1: people have very mixed feelings about. There are many races
Speaker 1: that are a point up, a point down, the razor
Speaker 1: edge races, and I think this race is still in.
Speaker 1: Elections across the country are just breaking now. And I
Speaker 1: don't trust any poll, let alone the polls right now.
Speaker 1: And I still think there's a good chance Democrats could
Speaker 1: keep the House. But I think whatever was going to happen,
Speaker 1: it is going to be close races in many places,
Speaker 1: and people who don't think their votes matter. Their votes
Speaker 1: do matter. Every vote matters, and you cannot say you're
Speaker 1: unhappy or you don't like this or that if you
Speaker 1: have not participated in this democracy and elections have consequences.
Speaker 1: With an important check on her guttometer, Congresswoman Debbie Dingle,
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you with us on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 1: Come see us again. Well thanks for having me, Democrat
Speaker 1: from Michigan, and stay safe, by the way, that was
Speaker 1: the gist of that conversation. This is getting pretty scary
Speaker 1: here on Halloween. Appropriately, Rick and Jennie are back Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Politics contributors here on the fastest hour in politics. My god,
Speaker 1: it's almost over already. So you start talking to Debbie
Speaker 1: Dingle and look what happens. Jeanie Schanzano was here along
Speaker 1: with Rick Davis on Halloween. Rick, what do you think
Speaker 1: of a conversation like that? Uh, from someone who has
Speaker 1: actually been threatening? You know, Debbie Dingle's office was broken
Speaker 1: into her her late husband's Congressman Dingle's memorabilia was smashed.
Speaker 1: It was it was a bad scene. And she's still
Speaker 1: showing up for work every day. Yeah. Look, I mean
Speaker 1: these elected officials have to go through a lot Republican Democrat,
Speaker 1: you know alike, and and and and I think that
Speaker 1: the message she gave you on this show today is
Speaker 1: really important one, which is we have to start respecting
Speaker 1: each other and and realize that the rhetoric has gotten
Speaker 1: too hot and the dial back. There will always be
Speaker 1: negative campaigning, but that can be done within a certain
Speaker 1: set of bounds. We've blown by those bounds so far
Speaker 1: this year that I think people are going to be
Speaker 1: in search of where the new normal is. And I
Speaker 1: suggest that that that both parties have to really inspect
Speaker 1: what they've been doing and saying as a part of
Speaker 1: the political process. Should anti Pelosi ads or attack ads
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with with her specific political
Speaker 1: career contest be taken to a genie? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they should at this point. And I think shame on
Speaker 1: people like Governor Youngcan and others who are using the
Speaker 1: attack on the day it happened as a way to
Speaker 1: gin up a crowd. That kind of rhetoric is irresponsible.
Speaker 1: It must stop, whether it's live in a rally or
Speaker 1: a speech, or if it's an advertisement. You know, um,
Speaker 1: and Rick knows this better than than I do. But
Speaker 1: you know, John McCain famously saying he wasn't going to
Speaker 1: take you know, one of his supporters speaking ill of
Speaker 1: his opponent. That's the kind of leadership we need. And
Speaker 1: you know, Debbie Dingle raised a really important point, which
Speaker 1: is that this goes far beyond presidents and top federal
Speaker 1: leaders We're talking about local public officials, as she said,
Speaker 1: school board members, people working the polls, who are trying
Speaker 1: to do their democratic duty. And we'll never get the
Speaker 1: publicity of the wholl never get the publicity who feel threatened,
Speaker 1: their families feel threatened, unfortunately leaving their jobs and droves,
Speaker 1: and that is a risk for all of us. So
Speaker 1: the rhetoric has got to be toned down. I mentioned
Speaker 1: the charges, federal charges announced today. We learned a lot here.
Speaker 1: Federal authorities say that Nancy Pelosi was not only the
Speaker 1: intended target Rick Uh, but that this Uh, this guy
Speaker 1: to PEPPI was armed with zip ties, tape, rope, and
Speaker 1: at least another hand. There were another two hammers here.
Speaker 1: He later explained that if Nancy were to tell him
Speaker 1: the truth, he would let her go. If she lied,
Speaker 1: he was going to break her knee. Apps That's why
Speaker 1: he had the hammer and he was certain by the
Speaker 1: way that she would not tell the truth. He explained
Speaker 1: that breaking the speaker's kneecaps, she would then have to
Speaker 1: be wheeled into Congress, which would show other members of
Speaker 1: Congress that there were consequences to actions. Over the weekend,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted an image of this massive pair
Speaker 1: of men's underwear with a hammer laying on and indicating
Speaker 1: that that was a pol Pelosi costume. That I get
Speaker 1: that right. Um, you saw the tweet from Elon Musk deleted.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people rick who think
Speaker 1: that this was not what meets not not what we're
Speaker 1: hearing from authorities, not what meets the eye, that there
Speaker 1: was some sort of a conspiracy going on here. Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi has not been in front of a camera that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of since this happened. Does she need to
Speaker 1: be No. I think it's totally appropriate for Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: to focus on her family and the healing of her
Speaker 1: husband and and stay out of the public domain. I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine how said she would be uh to
Speaker 1: have to talk to a group of reporters who would
Speaker 1: start asking her about all these crazy stories that are
Speaker 1: circulating in the press. So I think she's doing the
Speaker 1: right thing. I think it's incumbent upon all of us
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, as you say, the authorities
Speaker 1: and what they tell us. In this case, let's start
Speaker 1: respecting the institutions, uh that police are streets and arrest
Speaker 1: the bad guys and indict them like they were done today.
Speaker 1: And let's let's stop making up stories that aren't given
Speaker 1: to us by the authorities. In this case, I'm listening
Speaker 1: to the courts, I'm listening to the police, and I'm
Speaker 1: not listening to the rest of the Internet. That's kind
Speaker 1: of That's kind of a good message for life, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But we just then all of this right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it weren't for social media, a lot of these
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories wouldn't even have a way to to spread.
Speaker 1: Genie that there's so much of this is born on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook. It is. And of course, you know
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's tweet that that the congresswoman mentioned. He deleted it,
Speaker 1: but that has gone viral despite the fact that he
Speaker 1: deleted it. I think, you know, maybe an hour later, um,
Speaker 1: it wrapped up many likes. It has been you know,
Speaker 1: talked about an awful lot since. And the reality is
Speaker 1: on social media and in other forms of new media,
Speaker 1: these kinds of reckless claims and conspiracy theories and and
Speaker 1: these ideas that gin up violence, they have this life
Speaker 1: to them that the truth simply doesn't have. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you compare the amount of attention Elon Musk's tweet got,
Speaker 1: or the amount of attention that Donald Trump Jr. Is
Speaker 1: ridiculous and horrible claim or social media post got, compare
Speaker 1: that to Mitch McConnell saying that we should denounce violence.
Speaker 1: He got very little coverage, right, And that's the reality
Speaker 1: of how this is spreading like wildfighter. And that's why
Speaker 1: the study we talked about last week, thirteen million Americans
Speaker 1: were willing to tell posters that they think Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: presidency should be reinstituted and violence as a way to
Speaker 1: get there. That is who said that. Other people said
Speaker 1: they were on the fence about it. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are saying that they support violence for
Speaker 1: political lends. Lawmakers are on edge, voters are on edge.
Speaker 1: Does this story have any impact on what happens next
Speaker 1: Tuesday night in terms of turnout or anything else? Rick?
Speaker 1: You know, I look It's eating up a lot of
Speaker 1: valuable time. I pub looking can running for Congress or
Speaker 1: the Senate or governor. I would hate this story because
Speaker 1: I want to be talking about inflation. I want to
Speaker 1: be talking about crime on the streets. I want to
Speaker 1: be talking about the issues. Are talking about votes crime
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I cannot imagine how this helps any
Speaker 1: Republican candidate in the country, uh, get votes by weighing
Speaker 1: in on this horrific crime? Does it help Democrats? Is
Speaker 1: some sort of a sympathy vote? That's That's what these
Speaker 1: tweets are all suggesting, right, that this was this was
Speaker 1: concocted to impact the outcome. I think I think the
Speaker 1: only one who would get a sympathy vote for this
Speaker 1: is Nancy Pelosi, and I don't think she's in a reelection,
Speaker 1: so Uh. The reality is, these are things that freeze
Speaker 1: up the media. We all obsess over it. There's been
Speaker 1: a gazillion hours the discussion about this in the last
Speaker 1: you know, seventy two hours, and and it ain't over
Speaker 1: yet because these, you know, incredibly crazy things that perfectly
Speaker 1: normal human beings are saying publicly have become the story. Right,
Speaker 1: We're not even talking about this bad guy that entered
Speaker 1: the house and an assaulted Paul Pelosi. We're talking about
Speaker 1: the incredibly stupid reactions that a lot of public officials
Speaker 1: are giving to them, rather than just saying, uh, my
Speaker 1: prayers and best wishes are for the family. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I must admit it is a little bit different than
Speaker 1: a normal reaction to a terrific event. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: that's true, but maybe that's the fact that we're in
Speaker 1: such close proximity to the election. Uh. Jeanie, what's your
Speaker 1: thought though on the Rona McDaniels of the world to
Speaker 1: say it is not fair that tweeting fire Pelosi has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with encouraging someone to go attack her,
Speaker 1: you know the McDaniel Um, she could very easily say
Speaker 1: what Rick Davis just said, which is that this is
Speaker 1: a horrific event. We feel for the family. We want
Speaker 1: to say fair election, and let's do that on Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: She's the leader of the major one of the two
Speaker 1: major political parties in the country, and that's what Representative
Speaker 1: Dingle and you were just talking about leadership that requires
Speaker 1: responsible rhetoric, and that's what we're not hearing from some quarters.
Speaker 1: So no, it's not right for her to go out
Speaker 1: and say that, given what has happened. It was a
Speaker 1: very simple message for her to give that she for
Speaker 1: some reason refused to give hope. We're gonna put this
Speaker 1: down for at least an evening of trick or treating.
Speaker 1: I will say, you've been stealing candy from your your grandchild, Rick,
Speaker 1: what's the one piece of candy? You have to take?
Speaker 1: One piece of candy? The mound's far. Cannot let her,
Speaker 1: cannot let her have a mounds far. You'd never let
Speaker 1: that happen, Genie, Do you have one? What do you
Speaker 1: reach for in there when it's time? I've blowpops Joe Matthew,
Speaker 1: and you don't get a line in those home. No,
Speaker 1: that's no. My kids are very rare. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: I like blowpops. I'm sorry, it's not good for your teeth,
Speaker 1: but I like them. All Right, We're gonna go and
Speaker 1: find some blow pops here. I think we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to um for me. I'm going with the hunter grand bar.
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for the caramel. But that's why I'm
Speaker 1: getting to know my dentist real well. Hey, Rick, Thanks,
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. Gennie, Happy Halloween. On the fastest hour in politics.
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