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Speaker 1: First of all, we appreciate you coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: You know you've been out gout for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of battles against you and a

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Speaker 1: lot of buckets getting from you, so well.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, bro.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me man. Congrats on everything

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Speaker 3: you guys are doing.

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Speaker 2: When you first got to the league.

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Speaker 1: Who was the first person to bust yours when you

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Speaker 1: first got the opportune to.

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Speaker 4: Play damn h Lindsay Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Bron used to get.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think I was gonna say, Lindsay, I want.

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Speaker 5: To throw out.

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Speaker 6: We heard some of the craziest one here's some killers,

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Speaker 6: But did you hear you hit them regulars too? Like

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Speaker 6: it was my first Carrie told it was Jose called

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Speaker 6: aroun he's ahad time he's saying him.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to get him out that you know,

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Speaker 2: it just be the.

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Speaker 3: One gives some players that you know, and to me,

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Speaker 3: it was difficult to guard Steve Nash because Steve might

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Speaker 3: end up with the night with twelve points, but he

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Speaker 3: had freaking twenty to assist, so he had total control

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Speaker 3: the game, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So it's those type of players where you're like, no,

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Speaker 3: he didn't have thirty four, he didn't have forty on me.

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Speaker 3: But he did all the things, you know, and all

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Speaker 3: these picking rolls and hand dogs that transition, and oh man,

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Speaker 3: you know it was tough to guard Steve.

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Speaker 5: Yo yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 7: Me and the Blackest One had to come on down

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Speaker 7: to Miami. We had to come down to South Beach

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Speaker 7: to see our play. A partner from Puerto Rico. We

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Speaker 7: got for Hardo's Finest in the Building, the Pride of

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Speaker 7: Puerto Rico, Carloso Royo in the Building aka Cook, presented

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Speaker 7: by Sleeper.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna mess up this name.

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Speaker 1: For Hardo, like you said it right, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: for hard old Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about growing up in Puerto Rico and.

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Speaker 1: Soccer being probably the number one sport and what made

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Speaker 1: you or where you found the love for basketball a man.

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, Baseball, you know, baseball you

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Speaker 3: know for us, Yeah, since you're a kid, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: you grew up like playing the game, and you know,

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Speaker 3: being in the park and basketball, you know, came upout.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a huge fanatic of the game and

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Speaker 3: he used to take myself and my twin brother every

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Speaker 4: And that's how I fell in love with it.

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Speaker 5: You know, do a lot of people like when you

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Speaker 5: were in your career, they know you had a twin brother.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, because we did everything together. But once I

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Speaker 3: got to college and everything, like nobody knew. Nobody knew

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Speaker 3: we did everything together. You know, like we used to

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Speaker 3: just like and everything. So we did everything, you know, training,

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Speaker 3: you know, camps, everything, practices everything.

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Speaker 2: Did your pop used to hoop?

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Speaker 4: Nah?

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Speaker 3: My dad's a lawyer. He's just funny because a lot

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Speaker 3: of people ask me the same thing. You know, your

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Speaker 3: through us, you know what I'm saying. We played together

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Speaker 3: until we were like pros, like you know in Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 3: you term pro when you're like early, like fifteen sixteen

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Speaker 3: years old. And so we played together and he stopped playing,

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Speaker 3: My brother stopped playing. Well, my daddy's my dad. He's

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Speaker 3: still a lawyer. You know, he's still practices his every

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Speaker 2: He just hooped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So with baseball being like the number one sport,

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Speaker 1: and how was it like early on trying to get

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I guess you you playing the streets,

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Speaker 4: On the streets.

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Speaker 3: Every time I did behind the backpack passed or something

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Speaker 4: But that's how I fell in love with the game.

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Speaker 7: Did you just get you and be like in the

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Speaker 4: I love street I love street ball, man.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's the rt when you find your

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Speaker 4: And I love playing Street. I love you know.

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Speaker 3: My first gig with a shoe company was with One

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Speaker 3: when they first started to come up, so I was happy.

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Speaker 4: I was excited. I used to follow that tour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to when I was younger.

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Speaker 1: I watched all the and one, Yeah, all the Conversion,

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Speaker 1: your tapes watching how they used to go through the players,

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Speaker 2: With my Yeah, that was they was.

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Speaker 1: The thing back and now that we almost signed the

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Speaker 1: one really like we both got the one.

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Speaker 2: Tattoo on.

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Speaker 4: Generation.

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Speaker 1: They definitely did the swag of your game. Who's the

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Speaker 1: one that stuck out the most that you was like,

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Speaker 1: that's me, and that's who I want to be like man.

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Speaker 3: I used to watch a lot of Magic, a lot

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Speaker 3: of you know, Isaiah. Those were the guys that you know,

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Speaker 3: I try to emulate because of my position. It was

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Speaker 3: I used to, you know, try to dribble like Isaiah

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Speaker 3: you know, Jay came about white chocolate and it was like,

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Speaker 3: to all of them. I really admire all their games.

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Speaker 3: And once you get into the league, you're picking a

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Speaker 4: And it's just you know, growing in the game. I

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Speaker 3: But and then you add your little sauce to it too,

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Speaker 3: you know. I remember I had a game in Memphis

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Speaker 4: He's like, you got that South set. Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 3: But you try to just you know, put your own

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Speaker 1: When did it click for you where you felt like,

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Speaker 1: oh this is this is it? This is what I

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Speaker 3: Will tell you man playing for the national team, playing

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Speaker 3: but it allowed me to play my game.

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Speaker 7: You know, what age did you first start being a

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Speaker 3: Team When I was I think it was twenty one

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Speaker 3: when I got into the league. I first tried to

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Speaker 3: You know, in the league, I never felt comfortable, to

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Speaker 3: you know. I saw it as, you know, a place

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Speaker 3: was my dream to be a part of the NBA,

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Speaker 3: and I'm grateful, but I never felt comfortable. I never

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Speaker 4: It came about in spurts throughout the season, you know,

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Speaker 3: When I got there, I earned my minutes and I

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Speaker 2: How was it?

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Speaker 1: Tell us the process of you playing at high school

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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico and you're making a transition to come

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Speaker 4: It was tough man back then. I mean I can

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Speaker 3: And when I was in high school, I was set

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Speaker 3: That's like, I want to make it to the NBA. Man,

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Speaker 3: We decided that I was going to leave. When my

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Speaker 3: He didn't like it. He went for a week and

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Speaker 4: He didn't like it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to adapt to a different culture,

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Speaker 3: it was a transition for me. But I left because

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Speaker 3: I would setting in the NBA. You know, I wanted

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Speaker 3: going to be seen by all these colleges and they

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Speaker 3: were gonna have interest if I was be doing well.

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Speaker 3: So and it went well. I started playing, and I

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Speaker 3: started getting letters and letters.

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Speaker 4: You know, all college universities.

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Speaker 7: And when you first got there, did you speak fluent

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Speaker 7: English like your brother?

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Speaker 3: So like like, I mean, I still struggle. I still

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Speaker 3: struggling in the oldest.

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Speaker 4: By a minute.

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Speaker 2: So he considered itself the older brother. So how was that?

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Speaker 1: Like like that's a y'all only know each other, Like

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Speaker 1: for him to come somewhere and be like, yeah, I'm out,

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Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 2: Said, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If back then he probably had a girlfriend, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Yeah, and he probably went back to

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Speaker 3: Like I say that because it mattered, like the situation.

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Speaker 4: I'm never gonna forget that.

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Speaker 1: Getting in college and you seeing now you're taking another

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Speaker 2: How was it for you.

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Speaker 1: To play in college now and see the competition and

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Speaker 3: That transition as far as on the court, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, I was. I was blessed.

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Speaker 3: I was blessed to be a part of that school,

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Speaker 1: So your senior year, did you feel like you did

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Speaker 3: I thought I did, you know, But I knew I

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: I knew that, you know, getting drafted was gonna be

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I I've been through it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: After going undrafted. Did you go, like to Summer League

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Speaker 4: And then I went to I got invited to Toronto? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, my agent caused me, tells me, you know,

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Speaker 4: He was there.

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Speaker 3: They got me through the whole thing. Man, there were

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Speaker 3: We were flipping through the channels and I found out, you know,

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Speaker 4: That's how I found out. So how was the That's.

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Speaker 1: Crazy to the family, Like, how was the call once

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Speaker 3: We called collect, We called collect from Toronto to collect

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: My family, you know, they were excited for me. They

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Speaker 3: I didn't make it. You know, it's just getting getting started,

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Speaker 3: It was for me, but I was excited obviously. You

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Speaker 7: What was it like, like you you played at that time,

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Speaker 5: Feel like he air came and all that. He had

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Speaker 3: Man, his talent just in practices, he would at times

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Speaker 3: I got waived, waved, Yeah, a week before, a week

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't have word. So a week before

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Speaker 3: you in your office? So I go to his office.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, coach, you know, I knew to the league.

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Speaker 3: I'm not playing a lot of minutes. What can I

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Speaker 3: He's like, Carlos, don't worry. You know, rumors are a

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Speaker 3: part of the NBA. You're going to hear that all

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Speaker 3: the time. You're here for the you know, for the

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm the first one to ask, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, damn. So I go into his office.

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Speaker 4: Gonna have to let you go. It was all good,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to let you go. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I couldn't speak because if I you know,

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Speaker 4: So I went into a locker room. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: And then I couldn't say boy to nobody.

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Speaker 4: I thought the world was coming down, you know.

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00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 3: But that was my experience there in Toronto, and then

445
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 3: I was a week I came to Miami and I

446
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 3: was like a week without a job, you know, just

447
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 3: my agent trying to find the right situation. And he

448
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 3: got me a gig in Spain for a month. I

449
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 3: told you, I want to play. I just want to play.

450
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,679
Speaker 3: I go anywhere. He got me a gig in Spain

451
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: for a month, and then towards the end of that month,

452
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 3: he got me a ten day.

453
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 4: Contract with Denver. So I ended up in Denver around

454
00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 4: though that date.

455
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 1: You go to the Utah Jazz after Denver, after you

456
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 1: spend that time in Denver.

457
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 2: Jerry Sloan like he was.

458
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: Like he's different, like Sean when we got drafted to

459
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 1: Shawan used to tell us Sean Stevens tell.

460
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 5: Used to be like.

462
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah he he he different.

463
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 1: Every time you coming down court, the guards gotta cross.

464
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 4: Like did you play with Jerry? Remember I had to

465
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 4: guard you.

466
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: I remember plays and stuff like that, so I know

467
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm chasing a K forty seven every time.

468
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: So he crossed every single time.

469
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: You don't even waste no time but to be in

470
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: there and you know, to have guys like Carl alone,

471
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: you guys stop stop and to come and just see

472
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 1: their systems, just to see how they are winners and

473
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: how they carry themself and work.

474
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: How was that for you? That Utah experence.

475
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: That transition is tough for any player because you go

476
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: into a system where it's very structure and regardless of

477
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 3: their record the year before, and he is not going

478
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: to change it for nobody.

479
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 4: You know.

480
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 3: That's one of the things he tells you. I've been

481
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: doing this for twenty years. He used to tell you

482
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 3: rest in peace, you know, Jerry, But he used to

483
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 3: tell you, I don't care who you are, You're gonna

484
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: follow my system. This is how we've been running it,

485
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: you know. And it was the automatics, you know. We

486
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 3: had just one play that's called automatic and it had

487
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 3: so many variables, like it was crazy.

488
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 6: It was.

489
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: Now that you think about it and you look back

490
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: and like, damn, those things work, you know, And when

491
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: you're so young, it's hard, you know, to understand the

492
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: discipline and everything.

493
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 4: Like he used to call time out just so we

494
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 4: put the.

495
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: String in our pants inside of our pants in the timeouts.

496
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: He wanted like the five here sitting here, the three,

497
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 3: the two, the one, and the.

498
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 4: Four, like it was crazy, you know.

499
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: So everything was so structured, you know, aside from you know,

500
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: being on time. He said, if you you know, used

501
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: to tell us if you're on time, you're late, you know.

502
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 4: And we used to sign media day.

503
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: We used to sign balls, like you know, a little

504
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: signature just to get through everything quick. He said, I

505
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: don't want guys signing signature just to get through it.

506
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: Make sure you put your name and last name. So

507
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: kids like it was like that. You know, sure has

508
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: had to be tucked in.

509
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 5: You know.

510
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 4: It was just it was an army man, you know,

511
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 4: and and uh but with reason.

512
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 5: You know.

513
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: He was always successful and he's a legend in this game,

514
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: and we had to respect it. You know, some guys,

515
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: like I said, some guys, it's not for everyone. You

516
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: know that that system wasn't for everyone, and sucking them alone.

517
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 3: You know, they were there for so long and you

518
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: get there and you see that they're following suit and

519
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: you have to follow suit, you know. So uh but

520
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 3: it was it was a great experience for me. It

521
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 3: helped me a lot and I grew. You know, at

522
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: the time, I was so young, I didn't really understand it,

523
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 3: but me looking back now like it allowed me to grow,

524
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, with discipline and understanding a lot of things.

525
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 7: Could you believe that you was like, like, what was

526
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 7: it like the first time you in the locker room

527
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 7: getting ready for the game, and it's like male man

528
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 7: and stockediness over there.

529
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: Dog, I come from an island, like you know what

530
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like when I got to the league, I

531
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: was like in all everything, but I have to snap

532
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: out of it because I have to prove to you

533
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: that I'm here for and I belong here. So every

534
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: time I was on a new team or my first

535
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: year in the NBA, like my first year, it was like,

536
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: snap out of it.

537
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: You know. He's the guys that I played against m J.

538
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: And I come on, we all watch MJ.

539
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 5: You know.

540
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 4: I mean it was Wizards MJ.

541
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: But it was I don't care, Like he still was

542
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: glowing and I.

543
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: Can imagine you guys, you guys my rookie year.

544
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 7: Bro, the first time I played against Pip Pip was

545
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 7: he was in Houston portand he bro I was out

546
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 7: there just like like every time I thought everything was

547
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 7: like a moment it was like hold up, bro, you

548
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 7: can tripped everything any moment you just lean on the

549
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 7: free thrown like tripping, you know.

550
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: It was it was like that for me, especially Stockton.

551
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: You know, I used to watch Stockton all the time.

552
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: Stockton was very quiet, you know what.

553
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: You never hear Stocking and Mark.

554
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: Mark was the backup Mark Jackson. So I was I

555
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: was behind, you know, stopping and Mark. You know the

556
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: one and two in the history of the man assists,

557
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 3: you know. So I was like learning every day. Just

558
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: try to absorb the way they see the court, the

559
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: way they carry themselves. That helped me a lot. I

560
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: still stay in touch with Carl too. That was that

561
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: was my guy, carmel On. He took care of me.

562
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: Man, What was the biggest thing you learned from Stockton?

563
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: Because I know he people don't rarely see him talk,

564
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: so they don't talk about him all the time. But

565
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: when I first seen Stocking, I didn't realize he was

566
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: that big, Yeah, like hiding like his legs.

567
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Was like like his legs was like tree stump.

568
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, I thought, you was way more

569
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: small and skinnier than looking on TV. But when you

570
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: get in the game, like man, he like sixty three screens.

571
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: He'll make you think it was illegal. It was a

572
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: damn screen. It was a good screen, but it was

573
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: great man. Like I said, you know, he was very quiet,

574
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: but when he spoke, you listen.

575
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

576
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: He was just very determined in doing things right. His patience,

577
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 3: his poison, the floor, the way he saw the game.

578
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: He would you would never see him rattle, you know,

579
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: And I guess it was a part of the culture

580
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: and that fitted his game too, you know, with holding

581
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: a sect. They all were like kind of like the same,

582
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, and it's part of you know, everything Jerry

583
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: did to just build a culture and how those guys

584
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: follow suit and and played the way they played, and

585
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: they were so successful doing it.

586
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you start getting playing time, like assistant

587
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: playing time, how was that for you in that system?

588
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: Like you he believed in YouTube.

589
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, my second year, I think it was my second

590
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: year of Utah. Mark had just he went to another

591
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: team and Stockton had retired. And my second year doing

592
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: training camp, you know, going through the training camp, and

593
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: I had gotten invited to go to the White House

594
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: for some honoring stuff for the Hispanic Heritage Month. So

595
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: I had to meet with him to tell him, look,

596
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: I got invited for this, I would love to go.

597
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: He said, well, the doesn't sit well with me because

598
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: you know, you're practicing so well and I was going

599
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: to start you but since you have to go to

600
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: the White House, go ahead and go.

601
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: He was straight up like that. And I said, no, no,

602
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: but I can cancel. I don't have to go.

603
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: I want to start like and he was like, no, no, no,

604
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead. When you come back, you'll have

605
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: a starting job. That's how I found out I was

606
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: gonna you know, play a lot of manutes and be

607
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: a starter and everything.

608
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: But it was a big shoester Phil.

609
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: I was nervous the.

610
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: Next starter.

611
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I went from you know, not playing a

612
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: lot in Tonto being waived. Then I went to Denver,

613
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: got waived, you know, and I played good in the

614
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: World Cup that summer in Indiana, and then I got

615
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: a chan. I got a call from Utah to go

616
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: and be a part of that team. I knew I

617
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: wasn't going to play because it was stocked in in Mark,

618
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 3: so I know it was going to be another year

619
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: of me learning and you know, playing the minutes. If anything,

620
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: and then that year I was going to start and play.

621
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: So it was I had a lot of pressure on me,

622
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: you know, especially you know after stocked and leaving. You know,

623
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: everybody's okay, so who's the next one? You're the guy, right,

624
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: So and my first game might have been Portant. You know,

625
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it was, you guys, I think it

626
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: was Portland.

627
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: Played all the time it was.

628
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 3: It was against Portland and it had a great, great

629
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: first game and we won to So just to start

630
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: the season like that, it just gave me confidence and

631
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: allowed them to see somebody in me, you know what

632
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

633
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 4: So, but it was a lot of pressure.

634
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 7: Bro within the league and the fraternity of the league.

635
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: We know as players, did you know you play Puerto Rico,

636
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 7: you play with the national team. Like some guys that

637
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 7: seem to you know, regular NBA fans who don't really

638
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 7: know everything.

639
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: You know, some of you guys may seem like they, oh,

640
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 5: they average players or whatever.

641
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 7: But then y'all get to your national team and it's

642
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 7: like like you say, you get your confert you know

643
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 7: your coach and you do you and then like talk

644
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 7: about that difference and that feeling when you like it's

645
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 7: kind of like you restricted in a way, you playing

646
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 7: in these restricted conficts, then you get to go here.

647
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 7: Talk about the difference and how good that freedom feel,

648
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 7: and you get to go play with the national team.

649
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think your role changes, you know what I'm saying,

650
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: Especially like I mentioned, you're not drafted, You're not a

651
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: franchise player, so you have to understand your role when

652
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: you're in an NBA team, and then when you're you're

653
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: blessed to play for our national team like some of us,

654
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: you know, your role changes. You're now the guy the

655
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: team is counting on you for points, assist and lead

656
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: the team. So and I felt more comfortable when I

657
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: went to Puerto Rico and every time I wore my jersey.

658
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Aside from just playing with pride and representing your people,

659
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: it's just a place where I felt like I could

660
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: be myself, you know, with no restrictions like you say,

661
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: And I knew the Scots was a limit, and it

662
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: was also a team where I could show the NBA

663
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: what I could do, you know what I'm saying. So

664
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: I try to take advantage of that. Every time I

665
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to represent Puerto Rico, I had all

666
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: those things in mind. You know, I got to prove

667
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: to the NBA. While I'm worthy of more minutes, I

668
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: have to prove to the fans that i'm you know,

669
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: I'm it's an honor to represent Puerto Rico. And also

670
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: I wanted the doors to open for me worldwide with

671
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: other things. So it's just a comfort level too. You know,

672
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: as a player, you know where you're at, you know

673
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: your role and it shows when you play.

674
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Tell us about the summer when y'all played Usa. Yeah,

675
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: beat Usa. Like I remember, like if I walked outside,

676
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: it felt like I heard Puerto Rico screaming for you.

677
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: But just tell them how your country and just every

678
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: how everything changed after that summer for you.

679
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: Man, it was beautiful, man, it was beautiful. You know,

680
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: it was crazy.

681
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: It was the first game for us at the Olympics

682
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: and we we thought we were gonna win the Olympics.

683
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: Beat Usa. Ship nobody has a chance with us.

684
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: But the next day, you know, Slovenia just brought us

685
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: to reality.

686
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: You know. It was amazing, man.

687
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: It opened the doors for me with you know, sponsorships

688
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: in Puerto Rico and elsewhere, and it just allowed all

689
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: of us to grow from there and be recognized, you know,

690
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: to be able to do it at that stage, it's

691
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: just truly an honor. To this day, people celebrate that

692
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: day like it's a birthday, you know, and it's truly

693
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: an anniversary for us, you know what I'm saying, beating

694
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: the US in the Olympics and being one.

695
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: Of the best, the first ones to do it.

696
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 7: How many times have you signed that photo, you know,

697
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 7: talk about that moment or just like how much pride

698
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 7: are you taking that that's like a national treasure.

699
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: And I mean no disrespect, you know because when I

700
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: when I did it, the camera catches me like in

701
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: the last moment, because I went all around like you know,

702
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 3: it was a moment pride, you know, and the camera

703
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: catches me like me like front and to the wade,

704
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: and it wasn't really the action that you know, and

705
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to show at that moment.

706
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: It was just a moment of pride. And it's you know,

707
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: it's a picture that lists forever, you know. And I'm

708
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: in the social study books for kids in Puerto Rico.

709
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: I'm signing a book though, you know, so I feel blessed.

710
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: I was truly surprised by how much impact that photo.

711
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: It's not too many players that I'd be happy to

712
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: get down on the USA, but I was genuinely, like

713
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: really happy for you because I know you a good guy.

714
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Man.

715
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: You work so hard, you came from so much just

716
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: to have that moment. I just know that was just real,

717
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: real big for you and your country and your family,

718
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: and you know what you are today.

719
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: You know, thank you, man, thank you.

720
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 7: Hey tell me I need to get some insect because

721
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 7: this dude was he don't even know it, but he

722
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 7: was my nemesis. You gotta give me some AK forty

723
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 7: seven stories.

724
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: Man. I feel like he don't.

725
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 7: Get the proper love, the respect that he did, like

726
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 7: in the you know what I'm saying, just like when

727
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 7: we talk about people you don't really.

728
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: Hit liked this dude was.

729
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 7: He was a problem at six nine two ways fast

730
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 7: fast being defensively like him. My hardest match up with

731
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 7: my grip because they leinked like you know, physically but

732
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 7: like me too. He was that would like work but yeah,

733
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 7: because of their length and like I couldn't really do

734
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 7: the physical stuff because they take that. But then once

735
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 7: they do this, it was like just tell me about

736
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: what it was like when you watching him and practice

737
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 7: and just watching how like how he worked.

738
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: You know, the year he made the also team, that

739
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: was a year I played a lot of minutes with him.

740
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: That was a year starting. Ak was a great, great

741
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: teammate man. He was just really an orthodox in his

742
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: game too, you know. But he could pass the ball

743
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: here and stood the game. We had a story after

744
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: a game and coach was on him about some turnovers

745
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: he did during the game, some flashy plays and stuff,

746
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: and he said, he said, back to coach, he said

747
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: forty seven. And coaches like, what, what's song? I said

748
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: forty seven. He said, what the hell did that mean?

749
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: He said, I played forty seven minutes for you, one

750
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: for the fans. So I'm gonna do all I want

751
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: to do is for that minute, I'm gonna go flashy.

752
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: So he said forty seven, forty seven. He talked about

753
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: his numbers. He was like, K forty seven and that's

754
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: what he told him. He said, I played forty seven

755
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: minutes for you, one for the fans.

756
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 5: That's a bar. I told Jerry.

757
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: Jerry know how to get back, and.

758
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: Well that's coldo, you know, to tell Jerry that Yeah,

759
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: and it made sense too, you know, so.

760
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 5: Give me my minute, one minute about you, czy Mon.

761
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: And that's how he played too.

762
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: If you go back to see his highlights, he always

763
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: he was a good passer man.

764
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he get what I remember. He played.

765
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: He can shoot, he can dribble, he can path, he

766
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: cut eating screen good.

767
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: He never stopped moving. He was the one good.

768
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: I used to be so pissed that this boy crossed

769
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: under the gold every single time, like man.

770
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Him to take it on like he used to. I'm

771
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: talking about hit that hit that sideline and go all

772
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: the way. I used to be pissed about that.

773
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: I used to try to take shortcuts and he had

774
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: backde me because I'm taking short cuts.

775
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: He was just a mom. Yeah.

776
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: How much better did you feel that you was once

777
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: you left Utah from that system and the IQ the

778
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: things you learned over them years, Like how much better

779
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: did you thought you think you was?

780
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: And coming back to go to Detroit.

781
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: You don't know how much you've grown until you start

782
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: playing the season, you know what I'm saying, And then

783
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: you know you feel like, okay, I feel more and

784
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: more comfortable.

785
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: You know how it is?

786
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: You started season, and then you don't feel comfortable until

787
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: like the second month or third month.

788
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 4: But I felt good as.

789
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: Far as mentally, I knew, you know, I was ready,

790
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, after that first game. It gave me

791
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: more confidence to continue to build on that. And I

792
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: never felt comfortable as far as like this is my job.

793
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: You know, I knew every practice, every shoot around, I

794
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: had to show coach that, you know, I was ready,

795
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: he can count on me and and then build on that.

796
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. In Utah helped me a lot.

797
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Utah gave me patience on the floor, allowed me to

798
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: see the game differently.

799
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: You know, Mark Jackson, that was my guy, you know, and.

800
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: He you know, after every I could have gotten two

801
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: minutes on the floor, and you know how vets are, yo,

802
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: young fella, two minutes.

803
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: Come on, you gotta pay attention. You got to do

804
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: this right.

805
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: You can't miss on these assignments, this and that. So

806
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: Mark was always there for me. And then once I

807
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: got to I got traded to Detroit. Man, those guys

808
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: were amazing. That was probably the best team I've ever

809
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: been a part of. You know, Chauncey rib you know

810
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Rashid ben All, those guys Man, you know, Tayshaun. It

811
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: was just a great, great team to be a part of.

812
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: Man.

813
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: They they chemistry. It was just I mean you could

814
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: see it when they play.

815
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: You know, they were they were there for each other.

816
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: You know, they made no excuses, nobody cared who got

817
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: the credit for what you know, and and just you

818
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: know Larry on top of it, a great coach, you know,

819
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: being on that team. So and then Joe Dumars to

820
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: running the show.

821
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 5: So you got to give me a funny story. That's big,

822
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 5: limitless funny.

823
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: Man got She got me so drunk one time and

824
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: at his crib on New Year's New Year's Eve, we

825
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: had a party at his house. Man shout out to

826
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: she Man, I've been throughout his whole like.

827
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: From the living room all the way to my car.

828
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: Man, and everybody was there, like the coaches that I

829
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: was so embarrassed mcdyce was on that team to shout

830
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: out to my.

831
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: Di that's my guy. But it was just overall, it

832
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 4: was a great year. I learned a lot from those guys.

833
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: I still talk to a lot of them, and it's

834
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: one of the best teams I was a part of.

835
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: Man, How did Sloan.

836
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Prepare you for Larry Brown, because I'm a two old

837
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: school historic coach.

838
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: But like all my coaches.

839
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: Brown, like a.

840
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: Lot of guys, Larry Brown and Larry Brown, the way

841
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: he your practice might feel slow, you might feel like

842
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you're not moving enough.

843
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: You standing and listening to Larry Brown talk a lot?

844
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: How did that?

845
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: How did How was it easier to adjust to Larry

846
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: leaving Sloan, because now you know it.

847
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 4: Was never easier, damn sure.

848
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: You know coaches, you know, old school coaches, they have

849
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: their own ways and each coach, you know, they have

850
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: their own way of you know, creating their culture and

851
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: way of structuring their teams and stuff and how they

852
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: get practice and how they prepare for games and stuff.

853
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: And you try to learn and you know, be patient

854
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: in the process too. But Larry was very demanding too,

855
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: not with this discipline, because I think Jay was a

856
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: little bit more disciplined than all those things that I

857
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: told you guys, But I think Larry was very demanding

858
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: on the court, you know, and a lot of times,

859
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: you know, I used to get a lot, you know,

860
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: I used to get frustrated a lot. So it took

861
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: me a while just kind of like, you know, to

862
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: learn and you know, he wanted me to play like

863
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: Chauncey played. At times, he wanted me to play like

864
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: you know I played in the Olympics.

865
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: You know, he wanted me to play it this way.

866
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: So I was very at times, I was confused to

867
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: how he wanted me to be out there on the court.

868
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: But you try to make the best out of it.

869
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: But you know, those coaches are just demanding, you know.

870
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me this.

871
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 7: How was it like to be a part of a

872
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 7: team going all the way to the finals and playing

873
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 7: seven games game like that's going is the complete total

874
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 7: as far as you can go in the season? Like,

875
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 7: how was that? Like you know what I'm saying getting

876
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 7: to that point and like experiencing that being a part

877
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 7: of that pressure, the arenas and everything.

878
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 5: Just talk about that. That that that whole playoff ride.

879
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: It was great.

880
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: It was a team that they were supposed to be

881
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: there again, they had one of the year before, so

882
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: there was a lot of expectations. And the guys knew

883
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: it too. I mean when you were a part of

884
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: that team, you knew, like every night there's gonna be

885
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: a w you know, that level of confidence and you know,

886
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: playing in the finals as you know, like a lot

887
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: of media all over the world.

888
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: You know.

889
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you know that, you feel that pressure, you

890
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: know from the fans and just the moment you're in.

891
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: I was, I was blessed to to I told you.

892
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: All these stories to where I came from and everything,

893
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: and just just to be at that point, you know.

894
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: In the finance was great. Man.

895
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 7: You get traded to the Magic Orlando with you and

896
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 7: dark Old again midway through the season. You gotta tell

897
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 7: me this, how did you deal with that? Because I

898
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 7: feel like that's one of the one of the most

899
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 7: unfortunate things that can happen to somebody getting traded season.

900
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: I think getting traded if you have a family and

901
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: your kids are setting and all that, you know, the worst,

902
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 3: that's the worst, you know. And I had recently bought

903
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: a house in Utah when I got traded, like three

904
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: weeks before I got traded, and done the basement and everything,

905
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, so it was tough. But just getting traded,

906
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't happy, but I understood back you

907
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: know then the business. But I was going into a

908
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: situation in Orlando where I was looking forward to it

909
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: because every time I played in Orlando, you know, this

910
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: Hispanic community, the Puerto Rican community would come out of

911
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: support and show their flags, and you know, I always

912
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: felt the love in Orlando, so I would you know,

913
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: I was intrigued by that love.

914
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. What would it be if

915
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: I ever played for the Magic?

916
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: So when that happened, I was kind of like happy

917
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: I would be close to home, to Miami. And then

918
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: I was in a situation where I was going to

919
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 3: play minutes and you know, playing for undo the Puerto

920
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: Rican crowds, So that was a good situation for me.

921
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 3: When I got there, I was I hated to leave

922
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: Detroit because you know, those were my guys, but I

923
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: was excited for what Orlando uh.

924
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: To come, which is beauty.

925
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how was it? What was your first

926
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: impression of seeing a young Dwight Howard.

927
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: He was a beast. He was a beast.

928
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: He's my guy, you know, and back then I think

929
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: he was very misunderstood.

930
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: You know.

931
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that you know, do I

932
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, do I? He's playful, you know, and he

933
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: might have been immature, but he was just trying to

934
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: find a way that he can still love the game

935
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: and not see it as a business. And it was

936
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: very misunderstood, you know what I'm saying. So now he

937
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: can look back and say, I should have done this different.

938
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: I should have liked all of us, you know what

939
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying, especially with with you know his nutrition and

940
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: everything that he's changed. So and back then he was

941
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: diesel and he was athletic. You know, the way he

942
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: was probably eating, it didn't stop.

943
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: Him from where he was doing.

944
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: So how he could crazy taking his nutrition.

945
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Serious if it was it was working for him, you

946
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I love Dwight Man. It's

947
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: one of the best centers to ever play the game.

948
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: And we have to see it like that, you know,

949
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: people have to show him.

950
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: Love stan Van you have any stan Van just yellow Man.

951
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love stand Bro.

952
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: He's very.

953
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: Student, you know, uh, determined to do things right. You know,

954
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: he was very passionate about the game. And he's a

955
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: great coach, great coach man.

956
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 4: He will prepare you for.

957
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: A game and you know, great experience with stand Man.

958
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 7: What was it like going to Israel and playing like

959
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 7: after you had you had a little stint out there that.

960
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect, to be honest. I mean,

961
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: I follow your league. Be there's a lot of players internationally,

962
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: you know, when you play for national team, you try

963
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 3: to like follow their careers and stuff. But I didn't

964
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: know what to expect from Israel. I had a one

965
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: year deal offer from Phoenix that summer, and that team

966
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: in Israel was offering me like a three four year

967
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: deal and it was good money for me. So, you know,

968
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: we were in the Bahamas, my wife and I and

969
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: I was like, Babe, I think we're going to Israel.

970
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: He's like Israel. I was like, yeah, they played ball

971
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: over there.

972
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: But you started getting on Google trying to see find out.

973
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: You know, I knew about the team. I follow the team,

974
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: but you know, I didn't know about the city.

975
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 4: You say Israel.

976
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: People think that people over there and camels and stuff,

977
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, back then. But but it was a great experience.

978
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: Man. Shout out to Macabi.

979
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 6: Man.

980
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: They treated me with love from day one, you know,

981
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: and gave me an opportunity to play the game at

982
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: a high level and from the moment I landed over there.

983
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: So but it was it was hard man to leave

984
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: the league, you know, but I was back then I

985
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: was at the stage where I wanted to play more

986
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: and kind of like showcase what I can really do,

987
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, And that last year in Orlando, I wasn't

988
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: playing a lot and stuff, and so I needed that

989
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: change in my career.

990
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Was the process of when you found out you were

991
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: goin to go to Miami next after leaving Israel, they

992
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: gave you the call?

993
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: How did that go?

994
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

995
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: I was, I was. I was here in Miami. Actually

996
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: I was playing pick up on the streets. Actually I

997
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: was playing.

998
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: It was like he was like eleven at night and

999
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: I was playing like three on three's close to the

1000
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: house with some dudes.

1001
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: They were like fifty year old dudes.

1002
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: I was.

1003
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: I just wanted to hoop.

1004
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like that, Like if I feel like tonight,

1005
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 3: like if I want to go hoop, I'll drive around

1006
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: to see if I see somebody playing, and I'll get

1007
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: down and I'll play with them. That's I've always been

1008
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: like that since I was a kid, because I just

1009
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: love hooping. And back then when I got the car,

1010
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: I was I was doing lines after we played played

1011
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: three on three in my phone ring and it was

1012
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 3: Pat pat Riley and he was calling me and say

1013
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: would you like to be a part of our team

1014
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and to pick you up tomorrow at

1015
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: six and am. Then you know, do a physical blah

1016
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: blah blah. And I was excited. I hung up, I

1017
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: called my agent and and that was that.

1018
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: But did you believe pet Riley? Did you believe at

1019
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: first it was pet Riley on the.

1020
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: Phone because his voice, Yeah, it just sounds like it

1021
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: will sounds like it was a.

1022
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: Godfather, you know, you know, but you know when I

1023
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: when I got to Miami, I get there and they

1024
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 3: put me in the shot like I put my stuff

1025
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: like I'm walking through the training or whatever, and I

1026
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: put my bags in the locker, and uh, the equipment manner,

1027
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you doing?

1028
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: I put them up.

1029
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: It's an open locker here, so no, no, you're in

1030
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: the showers. What now you're in the showers? So they

1031
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: put all my stuff. You remember it with the little

1032
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: And I was like, He's like, no, you're in the

1033
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: showers until you make the team at the camp.

1034
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 4: It's back to square one. Huh.

1035
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: So I mean I kind of took it personally at

1036
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: the beginning, but I understood, you know what I'm saying

1037
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: that's all they run it here. So that first week

1038
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: was tough because I knew I was kind of like

1039
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: in the tryout.

1040
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: How funny was it when you saw the knee pass

1041
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 5: on your locker.

1042
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: Knee pass everything like body fat and wait every week.

1043
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 7: You see my first thing? When that first that came in,

1044
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 7: you know you see this stuff thing. I came into

1045
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 7: like this, bro, let me say what I did sitting

1046
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 7: and I was like grab them, like no, no, none

1047
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 7: of that ain't for me.

1048
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm cool. I'm like, no, I don't wear no, no, no.

1049
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 4: They came't right back, like you gotta wear this.

1050
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 5: It was like pick one. You have to wear one.

1051
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: You don't have a choice.

1052
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm like, no, no, no, We're not having

1053
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 7: people miss games because you practice something.

1054
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: And I was like, which makes sense saying practice, but.

1055
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: I had never practiced or play the k pad. We

1056
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 7: was out there like Magic and Kareem and like Ja

1057
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 7: won with double knee pad.

1058
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1059
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: How was the culture like in Miami?

1060
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Like how like you'd have been through You went through

1061
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Jerry Sloan, you went through Larry Brown and now you

1062
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1063
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 7: Pat Riley it was my first well my only year,

1064
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 7: that was your first year.

1065
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, how was that? Like realizing that heat coaching,

1066
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: because I know you hear about it. We all hear

1067
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 2: about it around the league.

1068
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Like how the Miami Heat, how they practice, how they

1069
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: in the best shape and all.

1070
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: That conditioning test. Boy, they still doing it. But that condition.

1071
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: You tell me about it. I'm like, boy, we saying Q.

1072
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: I was like, hold up, bro, we need to check

1073
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: you or something. You lost that much waiting that much time.

1074
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: You see by the time he's got that already did it? Yeah,

1075
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: at that time he got there because I was there.

1076
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 5: The whole summer. They was God damn Bill was killing me.

1077
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 7: And by the time the team STOTU like D right,

1078
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 7: d Wade, none of them was there like U, D

1079
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 7: and James Jones lived here, so they was only two

1080
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 7: there that I saw regularly, you know what I'm saying.

1081
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 5: But nobody else, Like the whole team came in and like.

1082
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, d Wade looking at me crazy, right,

1083
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 7: like what what the hell?

1084
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 5: And you did? You know you did? U? D? Like

1085
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: they threw everything but the kitchen thinking they tried my boy.

1086
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a culture that you know, shout

1087
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: out to the heat Man. They've been successful for a reason.

1088
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: You know.

1089
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: They'll keep you in check and it forces you to

1090
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: stay in shape in the summer.

1091
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1092
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: You're not the type of player that is gonna come

1093
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: to training camp out of shape. You know, you gotta

1094
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: stay in shape, in shape throughout the summer so that

1095
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: you can, you know, start training camp in a good way.

1096
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: And a lot of those guys that you know, we're

1097
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: there before us. Again, it's all about culture. You follow

1098
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: suit when you're a new guy and you're coming into

1099
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: a new situation, you know, and no excuses. You have

1100
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: to see bron go through this conditioning test.

1101
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: Like like nothing, like nothing, Bro.

1102
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: How was that? How the team was this team? And

1103
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: then how.

1104
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: Use one.

1105
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: Championship or nothing?

1106
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: The beatles the heatles man. Everywhere we went. It was crazy.

1107
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: Man.

1108
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: They they bought into it, you know from the jump.

1109
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: They bought into you just you know, being there for

1110
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: each other, doing it for each other.

1111
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 4: And it was it was beautiful to watch, you know,

1112
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 4: just the.

1113
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: Leadership that they all had, you know, to be able

1114
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: to you know, push his team to to where it

1115
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: got to and you know, Bron was very vocal.

1116
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: He's always been very vocal, you know, and national team too,

1117
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 4: and I played against him.

1118
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: He's always he always try to be that guy that

1119
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: you know, makes make sure everybody's you know, sharp and

1120
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: ready to go. Yeah, and d Wade was, you know,

1121
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: his own type of leaders. You know, he had his

1122
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: own way of leading. So but it was it was beautiful.

1123
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Man.

1124
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: Shout out to those guys, you know, they were great teammates,

1125
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: and shout out to their careers too.

1126
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: Man, that beautifuler.

1127
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 7: Tell me this because I always I've told you this before,

1128
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 7: and you could speak to this because you're a guy

1129
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 7: that was on the team the year before and the

1130
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 7: next year once Lebron got that, how from your perspective,

1131
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 7: how proud? And like, how did you take it watching

1132
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 7: d Wade go from one year rivaling like me and

1133
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 7: you rivals, I'm we equals and I'm outdueling you some

1134
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 7: games and vice versas. But then now he opened the

1135
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 7: he give him the keys to his house, knowing what's

1136
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 7: gonna come with that, you know what I'm saying, knowing,

1137
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 7: did this is Lebron, It's King James and all that's

1138
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 7: gonna come. You put in your kingdom in jeopardy bad

1139
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 7: welcoming this dude, right, So, how did you see that

1140
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 7: from the inside, you know what I'm saying, the locker

1141
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 7: room and everything.

1142
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: When when d.

1143
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 7: Wade take that step back and say, dog, you know

1144
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, Like, how was that from y'all?

1145
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: From a team perspective, I think it says a lot,

1146
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: you know about the Wade you know, and he was

1147
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: all about winning. He's been a winner throughout his life.

1148
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: But it said a lot about him, you know, like

1149
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: you said, to go from being the man to kind

1150
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: of like share that throne says a lot about a player,

1151
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: especially at the point of their careers where they were

1152
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: exactly you know what I'm saying. They were the man

1153
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: and his team and all Stars and.

1154
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 5: We saw the battles right exactly.

1155
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: So he bought into it from the jum like I said,

1156
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: you know, and you know Chris was more quiet, you know,

1157
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: he was a quiet guy.

1158
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: And all Star.

1159
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: He's always been a great player, but you know, he

1160
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: was that piece that they needed too. But you know,

1161
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: and I think it had a lot has to do

1162
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: with the culture that the team has to you know

1163
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying they put the team first. It's all

1164
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: about waiting, it's all about all of us, and and

1165
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: it worked out perfectly.

1166
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: So how proud were you to see JJ Barrell have

1167
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: the type of playoffs he had and the type of

1168
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: impact he had in the finals for them to win

1169
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: the championship.

1170
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, JJ, man, He's he's done well for himself. You know,

1171
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 3: I think he was, you know from the beginning because

1172
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: of his size, a lot of people kind of like

1173
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: looked them off, and you know, he's always played with

1174
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: a lot of heart, you know, and you know, like myself,

1175
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: you know, representing Puerto Rico and anything you do was

1176
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: it's something that.

1177
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: We take to heart, you know.

1178
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: And watching him, you know, be a part of those finals,

1179
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: it was beautiful, you know, not because he was going

1180
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: against Miami, but because you know, representing Puerto Rico and

1181
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: being one of the Frustauans.

1182
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 5: To do it.

1183
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: And I've seen his transition. I knew Jajen's he was

1184
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: a kid, you know in Puerto Rico.

1185
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 5: Just say, how much pride are you taking that?

1186
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 7: Because like what you and your teammates did that Olympics

1187
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 7: kind of like sparked your country, you know, what I'm saying,

1188
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 7: Like you said, it's in school books, social state, Like

1189
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 7: that's crazy. And then to see you know that he's

1190
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 7: a kid that directly saw everything that y'all doing and

1191
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 7: now he's coming up and making his own way.

1192
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 5: Like what type of pride are you taking?

1193
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: It's beautiful, man. I think.

1194
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: Just like you know, and I say this humbling, you know,

1195
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: I think just like I had my opportunity to inspire

1196
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 3: generations and kids wanted to play the sport and work

1197
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: in their game. I think he had that same moment

1198
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 3: when he won the finals with Dallas, you know, and

1199
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: he's aware of that, and you know, through his foundation,

1200
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: he does a lot of work in Puerto Rico with

1201
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: you know, his camps and helping schools and stuff like that.

1202
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: So he's done a tremendous job to continue to inspire,

1203
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: you know, our next generation grand Favorada.

1204
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got Jose.

1205
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: Now, we got to Jse out there, you know, pushing

1206
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: him to do well for himself, and you know he's

1207
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: going through it. It's what third second, third year. So

1208
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: I have a great relationship Jose. We speak weekly about

1209
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, stay in touch. He plays for our national

1210
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: team as well, so I want him to do well. Man,

1211
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: he's contract year for him, so I'm pulling for him. Man,

1212
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: it's got to be the year.

1213
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: You have another career. Now you're you're an artist now.

1214
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: Man, hey listen, we saw on the bus. We saw

1215
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 5: this on the bus.

1216
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: Now, you know, you know, I feel like sports and entertainment,

1217
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: sports and music is really.

1218
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: Uh what made you pursue the music?

1219
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: What made you have the confidence, because you know, it

1220
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: takes a lot of confidence to be able to, you know,

1221
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: put your music out and want people to embrace it.

1222
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: What made you pursue music and have the confidence to do.

1223
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 4: At the time?

1224
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: You know, once I retired, I know I had the time,

1225
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 3: you know, to be in a studio for hours and produce,

1226
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: you know, a.

1227
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: Song and being you know h okay with it.

1228
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: You know, because you can be in the studio and

1229
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: you know, put together three songs and you might not

1230
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: like all three of them to be the one that

1231
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: you want.

1232
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: To release, but it takes a lot of hours.

1233
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: I had a vision of, you know, putting together like

1234
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: a you know, a couple of singles with top artists

1235
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: from Puerto Rico because of the relationship that I had

1236
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: with them and everything. So I wanted to sign with

1237
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: the label and be able to you know, put out

1238
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: singles and stuff.

1239
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: And it worked out, you know, But.

1240
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: Confidence, I don't know, man, Uh, you know, I never

1241
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: got on stage to be able to perform these few

1242
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: songs that I did, But it was a deal that

1243
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: I had with the label.

1244
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 5: Almost five million views though.

1245
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I was excited. It was something

1246
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 3: that I always wanted to do. I was very passionate

1247
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: about it, and and it opened doors for me too.

1248
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: Man.

1249
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: You know, did a movie as well because of the music.

1250
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: That opened the doors for me as well. So but

1251
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: it was it was a time that you know, had

1252
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: the time to do it, and I was passionate to

1253
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: be passionate about putting out songs and stuff.

1254
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: How was it to see the reception you got, Like

1255
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: how people embraced your music and show love and people

1256
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: viewed your music.

1257
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: How was that for you?

1258
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: It was different? It was different. I didn't expect, you know,

1259
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: to have all those views.

1260
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: And obviously I was, you know, featuring with top artists,

1261
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: so I knew the following was going to be good.

1262
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: But the feedback was great, man.

1263
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: It gave me confidence to continue to put out songs

1264
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: and stuff like that and work into other things.

1265
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 4: But it was it was great. It was great just

1266
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: to have the support.

1267
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: Obviously you have people I can't see loas and that light,

1268
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 3: you know. But it's something that I enjoy doing, you know.

1269
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: My kids though, my kids didn't wanted me to do it.

1270
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: They were like, come on that, like turn that off?

1271
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1272
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how it is.

1273
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: With Gamby from Puerto Rico. I don't know if you

1274
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: know Gamby, he's an artist. Maybe i'mna have to hook

1275
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: you up with him. He's from Puerto Rico. Big time

1276
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: or shout out to Gamby. I gotta shout out my boy.

1277
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 7: Man, Hey, how did you end up coming up with

1278
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 7: your basketball academy?

1279
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 5: Man?

1280
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: Try to motivate my kid, Man, try to motivate my kid.

1281
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: I got three kids. My two daughters there like stud

1282
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: volleyball players. One of them she's playing her freshman year

1283
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: in Dayton University. And my second one she's on the way. Man,

1284
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: she's still twelve, she's on the way. And man, just

1285
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: trying to motivate my son.

1286
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 7: Man.

1287
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: You know, I've never been the one to push him,

1288
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 3: you know, because I don't want him to relate the sports,

1289
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: me telling him you got to do that.

1290
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 4: He's still young.

1291
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: I figured it about opening academy. You know, I can

1292
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: teach and at the same time motivate him to play

1293
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: the game ten.

1294
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: Well, that hasn't helped at all.

1295
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: What are you passionate about? He found a passion man

1296
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: all over the place like it.

1297
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: He all over the place man, you know.

1298
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: And my wife, she's very determined as far as you know,

1299
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: our kids are going to do sports. You know, no

1300
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: matter what it is, you pick a sport. I mean,

1301
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, I want him to do sports. But my

1302
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: girls are settling in volleyball, you know, they settle. But

1303
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: my boy, he's on everything baseball, Like now he's in

1304
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: tach on door and playing basketball for the school. But

1305
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, and everything I tell him, you have to

1306
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: train if you want to be able to shoot and

1307
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 3: have your teammates pass you the ball. They gotta trust

1308
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: that you can dribble when they pass you the ball.

1309
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: So all those things. I'm on top of that. But

1310
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: I'm never the one to be like, you gotta do this,

1311
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: you know.

1312
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that came about because I wanted to

1313
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: inspire him a little bit.

1314
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta start bench or trade.

1315
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: Since you was and one guy, skip to my little

1316
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Ao and hot sauce.

1317
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start Skip. Skip is a legend, bro. Yeah, yeah,

1318
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: he's smart as hell. Man, he would be a great coach.

1319
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm a bench hot and I'm gonna have to trade

1320
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: a man. Huh, that's tough.

1321
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 5: Tell me this I need. I got another one on

1322
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 5: the road.

1323
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: See Dame Lillard and Kyrie Urban? Who do you start?

1324
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: Bench? Trade?

1325
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: Damn? For what?

1326
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 5: Though?

1327
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: What we're playing now?

1328
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: You just start trade? You either gonna start one you don't.

1329
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 5: I don't want take.

1330
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: None of Damn.

1331
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to trade or bench none of them.

1332
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: Uh, I wanna start, see I'm gonna start, damn.

1333
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 4: Hold on, I want to start CEP. That's tough, you

1334
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: know what? Damn? I don't know, bro, because I should

1335
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: start Damien.

1336
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: In their prime though, the best of the best version

1337
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: of them.

1338
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: Man, I don't know, Bro, I don't know how to

1339
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: answer that. Bro, Let know how to answer that. I

1340
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: don't know. Answer was? What was your question.

1341
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: You try to get out of?

1342
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I want to know.

1343
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 7: You know you come from a small town, you know,

1344
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 7: Puerto Rico humble beginnings.

1345
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 5: I want to know.

1346
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 7: When Cookies got the bag, when you got a little

1347
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 7: change in your pocket, not not, you know, I see

1348
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 7: the being the bling blow.

1349
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 5: That's a nice size diamond. So you did this before.

1350
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 7: I ain't talking about what you did for mom and

1351
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 7: dad taking care of I'm talking about what did Cookies

1352
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 7: do when he took care of himself. I'm about to

1353
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 7: treat myself one time, like when you spent the bad

1354
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 7: the first time you went out and said, I'm about

1355
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 7: to spend some money. I ain't never spent before, because

1356
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 7: I got a little bit now. And what was the

1357
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 7: first special thing you did for you?

1358
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 6: What was it?

1359
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 4: I think it was a house. I think it was

1360
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 4: the house. You bought the house? Yeah, the first big

1361
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: purchase we did. It was what's the house?

1362
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1363
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: Make sure you know I had a place, said, you know,

1364
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: and go home and here in Miami, and back then

1365
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: it was at as expensive as it is now, so

1366
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: I got lucky.

1367
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: But it was the house, yep, for sure.

1368
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: If you had four other teammates, all the teammates you

1369
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: had in the NBA, and you had to pick four, and.

1370
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 4: You're gonna ask me how to.

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: This you gotta have a dose, squad. I'll leave you

1372
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: ass out too. But you played with a lot of

1373
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: great players. If you had to pick four other players

1374
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: to play with you to make your your five to

1375
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: go against anybody, who would be the four other players out?

1376
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got I got some legends, bro, damn.

1377
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: So of course you at the one, so, two, three, four, five,

1378
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: I gotta dang hold on.

1379
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: That's tough, bro.

1380
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: I better put d Wade damn.

1381
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1382
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 4: I gotta put Shack at the five mm hmm. At

1383
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 4: the four, damn, I better put kg.

1384
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh he might have.

1385
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 4: One and at the three. Damn damn. Hold hold on.

1386
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 4: Let me go back in my fourth. I mean, I

1387
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 4: don't know, y'all might be y'all might disagree with me,

1388
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: but I.

1389
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: Have to mail man, Yeah, man, man, the four kg

1390
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: one of them to your teammates.

1391
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I played in Boston. My last year was Boston.

1392
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 5: He got again.

1393
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: Hold on the way, Dan, I'm leaving some names out too.

1394
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 7: That's that's serious, all right, man. That's a wrap live

1395
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 7: from here in Miyami. We had to come down here

1396
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 7: to get in touch with the Puerto Rican guy.

1397
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: My man Lo Soul Cookies. He started that thing. This

1398
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 5: is for Puerto Rico today, get it.

1399
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: Appreciate you on.

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01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: Allright.

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,480
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