Speaker 1: They are around the NFL. Podcast is doing leg lifts
Speaker 1: under the.
Speaker 2: Desk from the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hansis got heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day belatedly.
Speaker 2: So all the moms out there that listened to the show,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of them. But we're already spinning
Speaker 2: forward in this studio because we got a cool dad
Speaker 2: convention right now. We got a white denim jacket on Rosenthal,
Speaker 2: black denim on Cecilo. I just want to green screen
Speaker 2: me and put the good angel and the bad angel
Speaker 2: on each shoulder.
Speaker 3: Jacket.
Speaker 1: Bro, tell me what to do and how to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, last last weekend when we went out, I commented,
Speaker 4: I liked Mark's denim jacket sporting lately, so I went
Speaker 4: into my closets to try to find the closest thing.
Speaker 3: I haven't thought we could be jacket bros.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 5: Well, I really feel that connection with you, Greg.
Speaker 3: It is and you also asked me advertise me out
Speaker 3: on YouTube.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like how many episodes in a row
Speaker 5: could I wade through without whatever I wear or don't wear?
Speaker 5: Being commented on?
Speaker 2: Well, it was funny that when we got together with
Speaker 2: a certain individual last week to celebrate times with a
Speaker 2: certain individual, that you asked, Greg because Mark was wearing
Speaker 2: this very handsome Levi's faded black jacket jean jacket. How
Speaker 2: come you haven't said anything on the show because you're
Speaker 2: always bringing up sartorial choices of us on the program.
Speaker 2: And I said, this one was a big deal, the
Speaker 2: faded Levi denim. So I need to give it a
Speaker 2: little time to marinate. I knew it would be too
Speaker 2: hot if I came right away with a comment about it,
Speaker 2: so I gave it a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: It's a good strategy on your part. It's just like
Speaker 5: I fine, like jean jackets have been around for hundreds
Speaker 5: of years, if.
Speaker 2: Not on you, not since maybe you know Lake Happiness,
Speaker 2: maybe around those times.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I don't have the same social graces or intelligence
Speaker 4: that Dan does. And I came a hot and Mark
Speaker 4: did not like it when I brought it up.
Speaker 3: No, I liked it. I think I did what you did.
Speaker 5: Greg, I fired a shot back at whatever you had
Speaker 5: on your body at the time.
Speaker 3: I was a taking shot, all right.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Monday edition of Around the NFL as
Speaker 2: we kind of ease into our off season sched you'll
Speaker 2: get two EPs a week until you know, around training camp,
Speaker 2: unless you know, things pop up.
Speaker 1: Here and there.
Speaker 2: We'll be doing shows from here in the studio were
Speaker 2: as I said.
Speaker 1: At the top, Chris Westling Podcast studio.
Speaker 2: But we'll be doing some remote shows too, and maybe
Speaker 2: maybe we'll do a road show. I want to have
Speaker 2: a conversation about that. A road show.
Speaker 4: Well, we've also got the Big Theology podcast on the
Speaker 4: docket too.
Speaker 3: Is this the year a big week?
Speaker 5: Yeah, later this summer, I think. But for both of
Speaker 5: those things, I think the road show multiple stops. Are
Speaker 5: you just saying we go on the road to one place?
Speaker 2: I mean, all this stuff, I guess is that's for
Speaker 2: a meeting, an extended meeting mark for us all After
Speaker 2: the show, I'm talking to Beef's sixty seventy five minutes.
Speaker 5: I'll be forming my verbal strategy during the show to
Speaker 5: ensure my quick exit.
Speaker 1: Today's episode is a fun little exercise that.
Speaker 2: To kind of take a look at the landscape as
Speaker 2: of the NFL as we enter kind of a very
Speaker 2: quiet period on the calendar. Voluntary mini camps have taken place.
Speaker 2: When will the quote unquote mandatory camps veteran camps.
Speaker 4: The first and second week of June they wrap up.
Speaker 4: I think June thirteenth to fifteenth is the second week of.
Speaker 2: Them, right, So this feels like a good time to
Speaker 2: break out our glossary of terms twenty twenty three NFL
Speaker 2: offseason And as I recall, Mark, we enjoyed doing this
Speaker 2: last year, but it's kind of annoying how many letters
Speaker 2: there are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's something they could have dealt with from
Speaker 5: from an alphabet alphabet wise, you know, scenario a long
Speaker 5: time ago. But they continue on with though we've got
Speaker 5: to have twenty.
Speaker 2: Six little bit of blows like you have your baseball
Speaker 2: season is too long thing? I would love a pivot
Speaker 2: to the alphabet is too long. That's a running and
Speaker 2: I'm correct on the on the baseball thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'd like the glory of a long season and the
Speaker 2: twists and turns of it all.
Speaker 5: But this to your point, this episode I looked at
Speaker 5: last year's was like an hour and thirty minutes, so
Speaker 5: we made an adjustment to it.
Speaker 4: I believe we have just be happy we're not, you know,
Speaker 4: producing this show in China or like you know, with
Speaker 4: the Chinese language of our background, around fifty thousand Chinese
Speaker 4: characters apparently an average adult I know it's maybe about
Speaker 4: eight thousand, So that would be that would be an
Speaker 4: extremely long episode.
Speaker 3: That would be a year.
Speaker 1: So you say that as a bullet dodge.
Speaker 2: So what we're doing going to break this into two
Speaker 2: parts A through M today and through Z on Thursday.
Speaker 2: But you know, think like twenty of ATM and we're
Speaker 2: just like, what the hell are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2: We'll just do the Chinese alphabet in twenty thirty four.
Speaker 5: It feels braggy to have that many letters, a little
Speaker 5: bit symbols.
Speaker 2: Shurn it down, turn down a little bit, make an adjustment,
Speaker 2: all right, anything else before we get into.
Speaker 4: The glossary, I want to see how you transition China
Speaker 4: takes a shot a shot. I'm just saying that would
Speaker 4: be actual problematic if we were trying to do it.
Speaker 3: And also seems like and for most.
Speaker 2: Headline for this podcast episode, Greg Roosevelt colon China problematic.
Speaker 1: We're covered.
Speaker 3: I thought you were. You were the problematic one here.
Speaker 1: The gears are turning toward Rosie as.
Speaker 4: The Japanese got about eight thousand characters and that and
Speaker 4: that's come up because my kids are learning a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, there's like the most basic language, but like
Speaker 4: try to get to the third the third level, right, well,
Speaker 4: little what do you gotta do fresh you gotta learned
Speaker 4: seventy five hundred characters.
Speaker 5: I took Japanese thinking my dad told me it would
Speaker 5: be smart for you, like no known future. If you
Speaker 5: want to be a businessman, you need to know Japanese.
Speaker 5: Three months later I had a raging I think I
Speaker 5: got about a forty two out of one hundred score
Speaker 5: in that class and just got a flying F. Never
Speaker 5: revisited the language, never will.
Speaker 1: At least it was a flying f. You know.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. The glossary of terms, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna go all over the map here. Hopefully we don't
Speaker 2: have too much overlap. But by the time we finished
Speaker 2: this exercise at the end of the week, you're going
Speaker 2: to be totally immersed in the NFL experience.
Speaker 1: And let's start with a a for all is quiet.
Speaker 2: Just kind of a little preamble here, a little touching
Speaker 2: on what we just hit. Like I'll use your old guy,
Speaker 2: your old job, Greg as an example, Pro Football Talk
Speaker 2: scrolled through their content for the last week or so,
Speaker 2: about eighty four percent of it is rookie contracts being signed. Ever,
Speaker 2: the most electrifying read, especially in the post rookie slotting
Speaker 2: era of the CBA.
Speaker 3: Literally no drama whatsoever.
Speaker 2: There is one editorial that was curiously posted after ten
Speaker 2: pm Eastern last night, title should NFL shut.
Speaker 1: Down on Mother's Day weekend?
Speaker 2: Some takes in there, so my point being, there's just
Speaker 2: not a lot going on right now.
Speaker 4: So wait, it was disrespectful to the mothers to do
Speaker 4: rookie mini camps.
Speaker 3: It was the thought.
Speaker 2: It was pointed out that back in two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: this is Mike Florio who wrote it. Receiver Plexico Buris
Speaker 2: boycotted a mandatory mini camp that was set for Mother's
Speaker 2: Day weekend. Apparently Scott Pioli, our colleague, had reached out
Speaker 2: and got a little spicy on Twitter talking about how,
Speaker 2: you know there should not be these activities.
Speaker 1: Football is family, or so he believes.
Speaker 5: What about the other eighteen holidays that they've totally laid
Speaker 5: siege to.
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I also like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how it would play for players to be like, you know, hey, coach,
Speaker 2: love to put on some khakis and go to a brunch,
Speaker 2: So can I miss practice this weekend? I don't know
Speaker 2: if that would go over very well either, So it's
Speaker 2: almost like you just kind of grin and Barrett if
Speaker 2: it's falling on that weekend.
Speaker 5: Well, it gave Mike Florio something.
Speaker 1: To do, so that's true.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we get to take a breath and kind
Speaker 2: of churn through the minutia of it all. So I'm
Speaker 2: happy if you're listening to the show right now that
Speaker 2: it's not the most action packed part of the calendar, but.
Speaker 1: It's all quiet.
Speaker 4: It's kind of coming though. I mean, at least there's
Speaker 4: players on the field. You can there is something about
Speaker 4: seeing Anthony Richardson throw a ball far while wearing the
Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts jersey that just like gets me going a
Speaker 4: little bit, and you know, gets you thinking about the future.
Speaker 4: And then soon there'll be OTA's. But the difference between
Speaker 4: now in two thousand and four, for instance, when they
Speaker 4: were doing those mandatory veteran mini camps, just there's so
Speaker 4: much less this time of year. We basically have the
Speaker 4: next three or four weeks, but it's pretty light. Even
Speaker 4: the mandatory mini camps are light. Whereas back in two
Speaker 4: thousand and four there were fifteen OTAs, most teams took
Speaker 4: them all. Most teams it was semi required, and you
Speaker 4: would do one or two mandatory mini camps where people
Speaker 4: are really tackling stuff. It's a totally different offseason. And I,
Speaker 4: for one, welcome in.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, B. Who has B?
Speaker 3: I've got B. And that's gonna be the word A buoying.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, okay, ew oh, I don't know, we
Speaker 4: want to try that out. That would be the sound
Speaker 4: that best describes me when a player from my top
Speaker 4: one oh one finally gets signed.
Speaker 3: You know, the top one on one is still sitting
Speaker 3: out with So what is.
Speaker 1: The boy exactly? I'm sorry, I'm the problematic one here.
Speaker 3: Well, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Speaker 4: It's like a It's just like a fun word sometime
Speaker 4: with this glassery exercise where in year three you just
Speaker 4: see the letter and it just a word pops up
Speaker 4: and then you've got to retro fit something that comes
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 5: Boying.
Speaker 4: It's an automenopia. You know, it's not officially in the dictionary.
Speaker 4: But I think it's can be used in many different ways,
Speaker 4: and I do get excited when players come off to
Speaker 4: one oh one. I thought again to kind of intro
Speaker 4: this exercise. This time of year, I have noticed lately.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying GM's are you know, going through my lists,
Speaker 4: but there have been quite a few players that have
Speaker 4: been picked off from the list lately, Isaiah Win. Maybe
Speaker 4: i'll i'll mention a little later a couple of different players.
Speaker 4: They're all between twenty five and seventy five, And it's
Speaker 4: a reminder a lot of these guys that are signed
Speaker 4: this time of year end up having a way bigger
Speaker 4: impact than all those first and second round picks that, like,
Speaker 4: we've spent two or three months talking about, so some
Speaker 4: players still left only eleven. Like I said, Yannik and Goakway.
Speaker 4: You can give you some pass rush sure, sure, not
Speaker 4: much of a run stopper. Genevian Clowney. I think he
Speaker 4: can at least give you five hundred decent snaps for you.
Speaker 1: He will try it necessarily hard. I mean it'll be great.
Speaker 3: Dalton Reiser, pretty good guard.
Speaker 4: Who's out there, Marcus Peters, he's visiting the Raiders this week.
Speaker 4: Leonard Floyd. I thought it had a solid enough season
Speaker 4: last year. He's like a decent starter. Melvin Ingram who
Speaker 4: always starts every season great then falls off. Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 4: is still looking for a job, Frank Clark is still
Speaker 4: looking for a job, Bryce Callahan who had a nice
Speaker 4: season in the slot for the Chargers last year. Justin
Speaker 4: Houston who signs every year in August and then ends
Speaker 4: up being quite good. And then John Johnson who really
Speaker 4: struggled with the Browns. Thought he might end up back
Speaker 4: on the Rams. But they're not signing anyone. These are
Speaker 4: all guys who went into free agency. They're not unsigned
Speaker 4: because they're terrible. They're unsigned because they all had expectations
Speaker 4: of making a certain amount of money in free agency
Speaker 4: and it just wasn't happening for them. So they will
Speaker 4: have jobs at some point, and like these guys will help,
Speaker 4: Like I said, a lot more than plenty of second
Speaker 4: and third round picks.
Speaker 2: And the overwhelming majority of the names you just listed
Speaker 2: of remaining guys are over thirty. They're on the graveyards.
Speaker 3: Literally, Gockway and Rise there. I think I don't know is.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz coming up in any capacity in the is.
Speaker 5: I read a report today that he's so this sounds
Speaker 5: like it came straight from his agent, that he's receiving
Speaker 5: interest and is open to playing any role that could be,
Speaker 5: even maybe off the field. I'm not sure what right
Speaker 5: that is.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Wentz and Bridgewater both thirty years old, the
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks from the Graybeards still out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wentz.
Speaker 2: You know interesting how it seems like the way this
Speaker 2: is going now, it's going from he found a starting
Speaker 2: job last year and now he's just trying to be
Speaker 2: in the league.
Speaker 1: Tells you a lot about.
Speaker 5: Washington played himself out of a multiple starting jobs. So
Speaker 5: I think it's like when they start, you know, Greg
Speaker 5: not doing these OTAs, but they're hitting each other and
Speaker 5: a quarterback goes down in the calamitous scenario. Suddenly Carson
Speaker 5: Wentz looks a little bit better than he does in
Speaker 5: early May.
Speaker 4: Right, and you don't have to give up the compensatory
Speaker 4: pick now, like we're into that time. Your rock gas Sin,
Speaker 4: who I thought was a really good side mean by
Speaker 4: the Ravens recently.
Speaker 3: It's just like these little ones.
Speaker 4: The Jets finally brought Connor McGovern back, and then they
Speaker 4: drafted someone so that was a little surprising.
Speaker 3: Just these little signings they matter.
Speaker 2: And Robbie Gold still out there, cowboys still without any kicker?
Speaker 5: What doing They have a kicker who has twelve field
Speaker 5: goal attempts in his career, So go get.
Speaker 2: Right, what are we doing? What are we doing? Is
Speaker 2: Robbie Gould asking for too much money? Because guess what
Speaker 2: he's worth it? Go get them all right? The letter
Speaker 2: ce mark Slay. I like to write little odes, so
Speaker 2: this is my mark with a C by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm glad that you you assigned these. So I'm
Speaker 2: glad you gave me the mark with the sea.
Speaker 4: But you go now just doing live interpretations of old drops.
Speaker 3: I saw mark Ingram just the best we can do
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 5: You know, you know he's saw in the hallway today too,
Speaker 5: the Dominican Sue sitting at my desk. You know, how
Speaker 5: were we set everyone just sort of He even looked
Speaker 5: to see what I was doing on my computer, did he? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean I don't think it was his only goal,
Speaker 5: but he.
Speaker 2: Can't help I was hoping for a second, the way
Speaker 2: that story was set up, that he was sitting at
Speaker 2: your desk and then you were gonna have to ask
Speaker 2: him to move.
Speaker 5: Oh, that wouldn't go well.
Speaker 4: I walked by him in stumped to the nuts. He's
Speaker 4: much larger than me. For half a second he looked
Speaker 4: at me like, do I know that guy? Did he
Speaker 4: interview me at like the Rookie Premiere in twenty eleven?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't.
Speaker 2: Did he bring me and leiococa hot fudge Sundays at
Speaker 2: the Ford Plant?
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 5: Where's a small child room in the building.
Speaker 3: With a cool dad jean jacket.
Speaker 1: Let's go the letter, see Marca.
Speaker 5: I want to do this all right? See is free?
Speaker 1: That's a loaded question, by the way, gone.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why I've written these out,
Speaker 5: but like see is for cheers. Cheers to all those
Speaker 5: who cover the Denver Broncos and really talking heads everywhere
Speaker 5: for up to now pumping the brakes on ponderous theories
Speaker 5: and or credibility free think pieces on the presumed turnaround
Speaker 5: of Russell Wilson under the watch of Sean Payton. It's
Speaker 5: a space where we could definitely see gabbers and attention
Speaker 5: seeking raw ro journo's possession take claim of the Russell
Speaker 5: Wilson bounce back narrative, and so far it's pretty quiet
Speaker 5: on that front. A collective chill pill has been swallowed.
Speaker 5: So cheers to you, fellow football heads.
Speaker 2: Bad news and you're right, You're so right right May fifteenth,
Speaker 2: and when Russ gets to the veteran camp and then
Speaker 2: training camp, I think that's going to be a very
Speaker 2: well massaged narrative.
Speaker 5: I'll take what I can get because I thought, even
Speaker 5: in another world, the minute that Sean Payton was hired,
Speaker 5: this could have started. And it's I think it starts
Speaker 5: with the fact that Sean Payton doesn't seem that into
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson or Russell Wilson's private office in the building
Speaker 5: of Russell Wilson's private training staff. He sort of bumped
Speaker 5: against that verbally every time. So I appreciate you Payton
Speaker 5: on this.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it is Greg.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, I know, because you were a little head
Speaker 2: of this Wilson thing. He was so bad last year
Speaker 2: that he looked cooked, So I think there's a It
Speaker 2: didn't feel like necessarily he was in An did poorly,
Speaker 2: as did the whole organization there to really set them
Speaker 2: up for success, and they had injury issues of course,
Speaker 2: as well bad offensive line play, they lost Javonte Williams,
Speaker 2: that lost wide receivers. It was a bad year in Denver.
Speaker 2: But I'm operating under the idea that he just is
Speaker 2: one of those players and it does happen where their
Speaker 2: shelf life was shorter than expected, and you're going to
Speaker 2: get just a lesser version of him almost every year
Speaker 2: until he's essentially a backup in his mid thirties.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm.
Speaker 2: Sting, and I'll be happy to be proven wrong because
Speaker 2: he seems like, in some ways.
Speaker 1: A good guy.
Speaker 2: He's very active in charity and Sierra. They go around
Speaker 2: the world together and they have a great old time.
Speaker 4: But he might be shot, Greg, he might be shot.
Speaker 4: I think there will be puff pieces. I think there
Speaker 4: will be hope and expectation, and I don't think it's
Speaker 4: unreasonable that with Sean Payton there and the weapons that
Speaker 4: they have, that he'll bounce back to like average, that
Speaker 4: he'll be closer to what he was the last three
Speaker 4: weeks of the season, when he was like, hey, he
Speaker 4: made a couple of Russell plays and wasn't like a
Speaker 4: total nightmare, And he'll have a couple good weeks and
Speaker 4: at the end of the year, you know, he's ranked
Speaker 4: eighteenth in QB Index, because that would be a bounce back.
Speaker 4: He was one of the worst three or four quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in the entire league that the NFL, I thought, didn't
Speaker 4: totally get out of the Broncos business. They did give
Speaker 4: him three primetime games in fan base, I guess, but
Speaker 4: pretty mark Chiefs Vikings. He has a Sunday night game
Speaker 4: against the Vikings in the middle of the season. An
Speaker 4: NFL network went on Christmas Eve against the Patriots. So
Speaker 4: I know that you haven't heard the Russell Wilson hype,
Speaker 4: but I do think the Denver local media is buying
Speaker 4: into the Sean Payton hype.
Speaker 3: I'm starting to see that.
Speaker 5: I don a problem with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, it should be noted once more that Jared Stindham
Speaker 2: was poached from the Raiders on the first day of
Speaker 2: free agency by Sean Payton.
Speaker 3: So pretty good money if yes, at a good rate.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he is a middling quarterback.
Speaker 1: If he is a soso quarterback and they are.
Speaker 2: A four and five, five and seventeam, I don't imagine
Speaker 2: he's going to stick with Russell Wilson if he if
Speaker 2: they were so hot in the pants to bring the
Speaker 2: backup in, they probably are gonna want to see the
Speaker 2: backup if they're already thinking internally, we're starting to turn
Speaker 2: the paper.
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's creating a narrative to
Speaker 5: break free from Russell Wilson after this season, which probably
Speaker 5: had to have been promised to Sean Pitton. You know,
Speaker 5: their third quarterback is named but Jared Garontano, and it's
Speaker 5: spelled exactly. They have two Jared spelled exactly the same
Speaker 5: way behind Russell Wilson. So there's a lot of heat
Speaker 5: coming out a lot Ben Denucci.
Speaker 1: I think you say which Lucci's the.
Speaker 3: He's on the Broncos.
Speaker 4: There are there aren't many receiver groups that are better
Speaker 4: than the Broncos.
Speaker 3: I know they might trade U.
Speaker 5: I feel like we were saying that last long.
Speaker 4: I get it, but now they've kept that. They kept
Speaker 4: that in Sutton Patrick, Jerry Judy. I like kJ Hammler
Speaker 4: if he stays healthy. Marvin Mims is a second round pick.
Speaker 4: We didn't really hit on that, but he's a nice player.
Speaker 4: Marcus Calloway's you're six. I mean, he's got some weapons.
Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad, all right, A let's move to
Speaker 1: the letter D. D is for desperate. The Bengals.
Speaker 2: They're a little desperate for their place in the sun.
Speaker 2: And I don't even I don't even hate on him
Speaker 2: for it necessarily, but a little needy reeling out to
Speaker 2: the NFL and saying, Hi, guys, it's us, the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Not only do we want to be on Black Friday
Speaker 2: this year, we would like to preemptively put our name
Speaker 2: in the hat to always be the Black Friday team.
Speaker 2: We want to be the lions of the day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: How about us, guys, how do you feel about us?
Speaker 5: And this?
Speaker 2: And Mike North NFL executive Mike North, schedule guy.
Speaker 1: He's like the Peter North of schedules. Like he's the guy.
Speaker 5: Okay he that?
Speaker 1: Hey, listen.
Speaker 2: The Bengals actually raised their hand and volunteer and said,
Speaker 2: we'd be happy to host the first Black Friday game.
Speaker 2: He's the vice president for broadcast Planning North. In fact,
Speaker 2: we'd be happy to make this a tradition. How about
Speaker 2: Black Friday in Cincinnati every year? I'm sure that will
Speaker 2: be and then he added, I'm sure that will be
Speaker 2: something to explore moving forward.
Speaker 1: So I like the play.
Speaker 2: I like the aggression, but also it kind of came
Speaker 2: off as a little like, you know, you know, and
Speaker 2: you like a girl in high school and you kind
Speaker 2: of overplay your hand a little bit.
Speaker 5: Some people beyond high school do then, right, exactly see
Speaker 5: it out on the town all the time.
Speaker 2: You just kind of overplay your hand instead of playing
Speaker 2: it cool like they probably if they would have just
Speaker 2: raised their hand and say, how about Black Friday for us?
Speaker 2: We've got Joe Burrow or a powerhouse, right, and then
Speaker 2: if it goes well, like maybe you start to say.
Speaker 1: Hey, we'll do it next year too.
Speaker 2: But to come in hot and say we want Black
Speaker 2: Friday this year and every year cool?
Speaker 1: It came up a little d does so I love.
Speaker 5: I absolutely could not agree more. The only little I
Speaker 5: would throw in there that maybe is sneaky smart by
Speaker 5: them because it does look like all those things is
Speaker 5: that means number one, for the rest of time, everyone
Speaker 5: attached to the Bengals organization spends Thanksgiving Day at home
Speaker 5: with their family, right, they got to go to work
Speaker 5: the next day. But that's true of a lot of people.
Speaker 5: But it's like you're never gonna have to fly somewhere
Speaker 5: else or you know, lug a bunch of equipment to
Speaker 5: you know, Detroit or fill in the blank on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5: Other than that, I don't think that was part of
Speaker 5: their strategy. It just simply they look like teenage boys.
Speaker 4: Might have been I mean, the Brown They are a
Speaker 4: family owned business, one of the few left I mean
Speaker 4: in terms of like the original NFL families. Maybe they
Speaker 4: were trying to just keep it all tight on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 4: not go out.
Speaker 3: Katie Blackburn's running that chip.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: It's sad, especially because it it feeds into Midwestern insecurities.
Speaker 3: Is Cincinnati in the Midwest? Did we ever get a
Speaker 3: it is west?
Speaker 1: Try to pitch that it was in the South, I believe,
Speaker 1: which was as close to pretty out there.
Speaker 4: Yet it's really feeding into the insecurities of East Coast
Speaker 4: bias because you know Mike North, who I don't know
Speaker 4: if the Bengals would like him putting this business out
Speaker 4: there because it does make them look empathetic, uh, he said.
Speaker 4: Amazon requested that one of the New York teams.
Speaker 1: I know, I saw that I was going to make
Speaker 1: that point. Next Amazon reached out to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mike is very uh He's like very talkative
Speaker 2: about this, like he is letting people know that Mike
Speaker 2: North is in charge. Amazon reached out to us and
Speaker 2: said New York is the number one retail market in
Speaker 2: the country, and the game in New York might be
Speaker 2: a fun way to introduce this concept.
Speaker 1: M The Giants Eagles was also considered. So yeah, this.
Speaker 2: Does and I understand, even as someone who's a native
Speaker 2: of New York, I understand why those frustrations exist since
Speaker 2: he just played played a little stronger hand there.
Speaker 5: It's a great information from Mike North, who just seems
Speaker 5: to want to dish left and right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's we get him on the show.
Speaker 5: I think we should.
Speaker 1: I mean, he sounds like he'll talk about literally and.
Speaker 4: He I would, he would absolutely want want to come
Speaker 4: on the show. I know Mike North a little bit
Speaker 4: because the first year I worked for the NFL, I
Speaker 4: had a desk it was about this essentially in business development,
Speaker 4: which didn't make any sense, but right around the corner
Speaker 4: the scheduling department, and they were you know, they were
Speaker 4: friendly guys in that department, you know, just just a
Speaker 4: few desks away, and they would get very busy and stressed,
Speaker 4: and I remember I once asked to like, go look
Speaker 4: at what's going on on their boards.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't. They wouldn't do that. He was a nice guy.
Speaker 4: I do remember once at the NFL office, and this
Speaker 4: was not Mike North, but a certain higher ranking executive
Speaker 4: went by my desk and was very upset that that
Speaker 4: NFL dot Com was mentioning the NBA. They were like
Speaker 4: comparing athletes to Lebron and they were like, we can't
Speaker 4: have that, Like we got to not get it coming.
Speaker 5: These athletes to NBA players. No, you can't, like.
Speaker 4: We cannot cannot give them any juice. And he held
Speaker 4: me personally responsible.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I remember writing rough leave twelve around the NFL blog
Speaker 2: posts about would Lebron James make a good tight end
Speaker 2: for the Dallas Cowboys metrics gold It was all right,
Speaker 2: let's take a break and we'll move on with the
Speaker 2: Glossary of terms Part one.
Speaker 3: All right, we're back.
Speaker 1: We're up to the letter E with Greg Ye.
Speaker 4: All Right, my word is expectations, as in the Cleveland
Speaker 4: Browns should have high expectations this year. This is coming
Speaker 4: off the Zidarius Smith trade, which we haven't hit on
Speaker 4: this show yet. Zadarias Smith, who had a great first
Speaker 4: half of the season for the Vikings and has had
Speaker 4: a great career in general before falling off down the stretch,
Speaker 4: and we talked about he wanted to be traded, he
Speaker 4: wanted more money, got dealt to the Browns for a
Speaker 4: couple day three pick swaps essentially nothing, just the contract
Speaker 4: dump where they give up a couple of fists and
Speaker 4: they get a sixth and a seventh back. It's nothing,
Speaker 4: and they get a really good second pass rusher if
Speaker 4: he can stay healthy and if they can kind of
Speaker 4: keep him focused, which has been an issue for zadaria Smith,
Speaker 4: and as you mentioned about Clowney, just that position in
Speaker 4: general for Cleveland. And I just started thinking this team
Speaker 4: has had a really nice offseason. I like what they
Speaker 4: did adding Elijah Moore and Cedric Tillman. I think the
Speaker 4: offensive line's in good shape. You still have Chubb, you know, Nijoku.
Speaker 4: Conklin's sign long terms. Like I liked what they did
Speaker 4: in the draft. You bring in Dalvin Thomason. It's a
Speaker 4: good secondary. I look at this roster. I think it's
Speaker 4: a very good roster, and I think there should be
Speaker 4: high expectations for the Browns. I don't know if they'll
Speaker 4: hit him, because I don't know if Sashaun Watson's gonna
Speaker 4: ever get back to the way he was. But this
Speaker 4: is year four of Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski. You
Speaker 4: gave up boatloaded draft picks and gave a guy the
Speaker 4: most guaranteed money in the history of the sport. Of course,
Speaker 4: there should be massive expectations, and I actually think if
Speaker 4: Watson can play, they have the team to reach them.
Speaker 4: And if they don't reach them, I think there's gonna
Speaker 4: have to be changes because year four, like, what are
Speaker 4: we doing here? What was the Watson trade and all
Speaker 4: that misery for if not to win some games.
Speaker 3: I love the Smith move. I like the roster general.
Speaker 5: I think we got back this offseason to Andrew Berry
Speaker 5: being the guy that I'd found so fascinating, the way
Speaker 5: that he quickly builds a team. I think he's done
Speaker 5: a better job than Stefanski. You're right, Watson is the
Speaker 5: absolute X factor there, but Miles Garrett, who's sort of
Speaker 5: been along with Denzel Ward alone on that defense, Jim Schwartz,
Speaker 5: I think people forget is the new defensive coordinator. You've
Speaker 5: got Miles Garrett, You've got Oguronquo, You've got Zadarias Smith.
Speaker 5: You last year that the interior of the defensive line
Speaker 5: was a mess. You've got Tomlinson, Jordan Elliot's a good
Speaker 5: young player. They can move guys all over the place
Speaker 5: because Smith is someone that you can line up along
Speaker 5: with everyone else. And the defense, to me, which has
Speaker 5: been a real weakness at times in the past. If
Speaker 5: you look at their PFF grades on both sides of
Speaker 5: the ball, there really is an arraging weakness other than
Speaker 5: the lowest score of anyone is Deshaun Watson. So you
Speaker 5: have to find out what he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I kind of was saying this when
Speaker 2: you did the GM rankings. I thought you had him
Speaker 2: too low Andrew Berry because of the Shawn and all
Speaker 2: the heat that was cooked into that. But like he
Speaker 2: has overall done a pretty good job. I think building
Speaker 2: out this roster, and I think people it's and this
Speaker 2: is why you can't put the toothpaste back in the
Speaker 2: tube with Watson because you could say he's back to
Speaker 2: who he was. Well, everything changed when when they brought
Speaker 2: in Watson, So no matter what happens, and I think
Speaker 2: this is ultimately the grand oversight of the Browns. No
Speaker 2: matter what happens, even if they go to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl this year, people are gonna only talk about in
Speaker 2: those two weeks going.
Speaker 1: Up to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that Shaun Watson's playing in the super
Speaker 2: Bowl like you made, you got in bed with a
Speaker 2: character that really changes fundamentally how people view the team. However,
Speaker 2: you can't look at this roster and not say that's
Speaker 2: a playoff team.
Speaker 1: If Deshaun Watson gets back.
Speaker 2: To who he was, and I think that he is
Speaker 2: more more likely, and I know it was not a
Speaker 2: good six games. In fact, there was prett bad six games.
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely he returns to form or
Speaker 2: something close to it than he just sucks. Now, because
Speaker 2: when you break down why would he be bad? You
Speaker 2: would look at things like, is there a decline in
Speaker 2: skill age related decline? Is he playing with no skill talent?
Speaker 2: Is offensive coaching that up to stuff? None of those
Speaker 2: things are the case.
Speaker 3: So is he mentally tough?
Speaker 1: Is he mentally tough?
Speaker 2: I have to say though, and this is we're separating
Speaker 2: some things now. Of course he has a level of
Speaker 2: mental toughness. He made it to the NFL. He was
Speaker 2: a college legend at Clemson, it became a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's all still there, and whether people like it or not,
Speaker 2: there is absolute reality where the Browns kick ass this year.
Speaker 4: I think so, And I guess Yeah's why I wanted
Speaker 4: to throw that out there, because I think the Smith
Speaker 4: trade was the cherry on top of like they should
Speaker 4: be expecting a lot.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 4: The reason why I don't feel bad that he's low
Speaker 4: on the GM rankings is it's a huge risk and
Speaker 4: if if it doesn't work out, that's all on him,
Speaker 4: that's all on them, and like what are they doing here?
Speaker 4: Like it ends up being one of the worst trades
Speaker 4: like like that you could come up with. And Browns
Speaker 4: fans just kind of can't have it both ways. They
Speaker 4: don't like pointing out that he was worse than Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson last year. He's one of the worst five quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in the league, I would say, And it was the
Speaker 4: worst six games stretch of Watson's career by far. Like
Speaker 4: we'll just no other stretch like it, right, even as
Speaker 4: a rookie, Like there was no other stretch like it.
Speaker 3: You can't have it that.
Speaker 4: You can't say that and like say, well he's he's
Speaker 4: coming back, and then also say well, there's no expectations
Speaker 4: this year, Like I think Browns fans probably do expect
Speaker 4: this team to be good. Maybe I'm wrong, but like
Speaker 4: you can't also like tamp down saying like well, we're
Speaker 4: just trying to get back to winning nine or ten games.
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you doing this for? Then you're
Speaker 3: for this program.
Speaker 5: Tons of Browns fans, and like, I think the expectations
Speaker 5: from those who are like seeing all this that you
Speaker 5: mentioned are very high. Yeah, that's I think there's a
Speaker 5: lot of pressure on Stefanski.
Speaker 4: I agree, and Barry, I think Browns are Jimmy Hasl
Speaker 4: hasn't stuck around with these gms too long this time
Speaker 4: he has.
Speaker 1: Start five And oh in October, what are you up
Speaker 1: to over there? Mark?
Speaker 5: Well, see, I mean I'm not you know, It's like
Speaker 5: I like.
Speaker 1: I smut check in my mind.
Speaker 5: I know, I know we do this periodically, to this periodically,
Speaker 5: but like let's just let's just see what happens. It
Speaker 5: would be they would be a big story. They would
Speaker 5: absolutely be a big story. And you brought up the
Speaker 5: brown type of a couple of years ago, when we
Speaker 5: talked about the Jets in their season coming up. Such
Speaker 5: a big difference with that team in terms of hype
Speaker 5: because it was built on Soggi foundation.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, because Baker was the problem and he was the.
Speaker 2: Quarterback in the defense, If de Seawan could play quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: is not gonna.
Speaker 1: Be the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, defense needs to not be too. They have been
Speaker 4: a total letdown. Heck they could have. I think they
Speaker 4: could have made the Super Bowl. That that their offense
Speaker 4: was good enough to make the Super Bowl and win
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield that year.
Speaker 3: But the defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't. Oh, he wasn't always the problem, like
Speaker 5: flying F Mark. All right, Uh again, I wrote this
Speaker 5: in the middle of the night, so I'm just checking
Speaker 5: back into the now. But I want to let you
Speaker 5: know how I feel about this letter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally believe that you have to text it
Speaker 4: us at six in the morning.
Speaker 5: Well, no, I like I that is a factual account
Speaker 5: of how it's occurred.
Speaker 1: F is for F me.
Speaker 5: I'm a Patriots fan. Oh no, Well, hold on, Mark,
Speaker 5: here's the problem. We're not bad, We're boring. We're right
Speaker 5: down the middle, a big, fat bowl of heavily textured
Speaker 5: cottage cheese a beacon pointing only to yesterday. If I'm
Speaker 5: a sixteen year old Patriots fan, I've been duped into
Speaker 5: this by a gaggle of hard drinking Wooster Mass uncles.
Speaker 5: They've known nothing else but ease since the turn of
Speaker 5: the century, slapping each other on the back and walking
Speaker 5: around their workplaces parroting Little bella chicken and phrases.
Speaker 1: Can we get a split screen of Mark and Greg
Speaker 1: for the balance of this read?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Mark, little Bellachickian phrases, Little Bill Wannabe's in
Speaker 5: every desperate corporate office, men cradled and swaddling clothes through
Speaker 5: the childlike ease of six super bowls. Every Christmas morning
Speaker 5: is Christmas. Every dawn there's a bulging Easter basket by
Speaker 5: your bedside. But if you're that sixteen year old Patriots fan,
Speaker 5: the feeling is different. The feeling is that of being
Speaker 5: flung out of a moving vehicle along the burning Mass
Speaker 5: turnpike seven feet above the ball boys. They're silenced, rotting
Speaker 5: corpses a minor price to pay for touchdowns. Their flesh
Speaker 5: will produce springtime flowers. That's how the earth works. But
Speaker 5: this time those flowers are being delivered from somewhere else
Speaker 5: the House of Satan. Welcome to your Endless Winner, a
Speaker 5: thirty two year period where you will know in great
Speaker 5: detail every inch of sports Siberia. I'm sure you'll stick around.
Speaker 5: That's my report on the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: See yeah, I like football. I like football season, all
Speaker 1: the things that go with it.
Speaker 3: See you guys, you didn't like it.
Speaker 4: I remember West didn't like it when I brought up
Speaker 4: that I was getting out when Brady leaves.
Speaker 3: But it looks like it was a good, good move.
Speaker 5: You know, well you didn't stick around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that it reminds me of lack of character. What
Speaker 1: Tony Soprano.
Speaker 2: Said in the first episode of The Sopranos where he's
Speaker 2: talking about, you know what it was like growing up
Speaker 2: around the heyday of the Mob in Jersey and he
Speaker 2: kind of comes to a realization and he says, lately,
Speaker 2: I've been getting the feeling that I came in at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: The best is over. And that's that's not just the Patriots.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fan bases through all sports that
Speaker 2: you kind of come of age after a glory period.
Speaker 3: Of Olden State Warriors. Your ten year old fans here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's particularly probably annoying for the teenage New
Speaker 2: England's sports fan who get the Celtics and the well
Speaker 2: in the season. At least that there was actually a
Speaker 2: twenty year run, so it was like an endless summer
Speaker 2: that you don't now have. I just like that someone
Speaker 2: else is speaking on this topic rather than me, and
Speaker 2: I'll say no more.
Speaker 3: Well, forget the teenagers.
Speaker 4: At least they got some they got some great fun
Speaker 4: at like great times to be a fan when they
Speaker 4: were ten to eleven years old. My poor son Walker
Speaker 4: is jumping into the Patriots fans.
Speaker 3: He's eight years old. He can't he can't remember that
Speaker 3: Rams game.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't have to do nothing, but media give
Speaker 1: it soun in California.
Speaker 4: I haven't been pushing it on him, and he's quick
Speaker 4: to jump to whoever is winning.
Speaker 3: But in his heart, actually the Patriots are his number one.
Speaker 1: Well you're not really following the Patriots too closely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm rooting for but I'm not. I don't feel
Speaker 4: the I felt this and I really noticed during this
Speaker 4: you know Celtics run. I don't have the emotions, and
Speaker 4: I think because it's work related. But I don't have
Speaker 4: the same devastation on a losing Patriots game or win.
Speaker 4: I feel more like a fan with the Celtics.
Speaker 5: You used to Greg, you're being at those Super Bowls
Speaker 5: with you, you were your body was quiver six titles.
Speaker 2: So I would think, as someone that is a reasonable
Speaker 2: person deep inside, you know, how mad can you get
Speaker 2: when you get six?
Speaker 4: I also I agree with that, and I think it's
Speaker 4: healthy with our work if you feel like just being
Speaker 4: loyal to football and disconnecting this a little bit from
Speaker 4: your team and still still rooting for them. They're still
Speaker 4: the only team that really.
Speaker 1: Just supporting the shield. You're saying, yeah, blindly supporting Rob Low.
Speaker 3: This roster is not terrible. That's the weird thing they're got.
Speaker 4: I think the schedule is tough, but I think they're
Speaker 4: gonna be a pain and they'll probably annoy everyone and
Speaker 4: they'll probably win eight or nine games.
Speaker 3: Again something the other.
Speaker 2: Day, like down the middle, right they are It makes
Speaker 2: sense in a loaded AFC East on paper that the
Speaker 2: Patriots will eat dirt and go four and thirteen and
Speaker 2: be feasted on by all these teams. There's logic towards that.
Speaker 2: It's probably not how it's gonna play out. It's a
Speaker 2: credit to Belchick, even though now Bill has something to
Speaker 2: proved such a huge year for Belchick.
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to be good on defense because
Speaker 4: that's what he knows and feels like he's best at.
Speaker 4: And they have set up a young and very versatile
Speaker 4: secondary they added to their front seven. I actually think
Speaker 4: on paper the defense could be a top five or
Speaker 4: six defense, and they played like that really the last
Speaker 4: couple of years without the same amount of the offense
Speaker 4: that needs to be Yeah, the offense needs to be
Speaker 4: a lot better.
Speaker 5: Well, counter argument, we were downstairs watching, you know, on
Speaker 5: a NFL network the Rams the first Rams Patriots Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: and it's, you know, six minutes into the fourth quarter
Speaker 5: and Tom Brady is ninety six yards and the defense
Speaker 5: is not allowing the Rams and Kurt Warner to do anything.
Speaker 5: So back to the roots maybe, but still kind of
Speaker 5: boring that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a boring TP People thought that two
Speaker 4: thousand and one team was boring.
Speaker 5: And they were easy to rout till it wasn't. Well,
Speaker 5: they started like one and three.
Speaker 1: I believe that year they were Yeah, they were fine
Speaker 1: and it was fun. I was in Boston for.
Speaker 4: That ride that was I just mean they were like
Speaker 4: highest scoring offense for the regular season or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's see g G is
Speaker 2: for Green comma Trent replacement Matt Ryan joining CB. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I just want to say, first of all, I
Speaker 2: don't actually believe that Trent Green. I hope he has
Speaker 2: a long career that continues to flourish with the Tiffany Network.
Speaker 2: I do feel like there's a with Matt Ryan. He
Speaker 2: always seemed to be someone that would be destined to
Speaker 2: be in a broadcast booth. He looked like that when
Speaker 2: he was twenty seven years old. When you take his
Speaker 2: helmet off, all he's like, oh, he looks like he's
Speaker 2: should be standing next to Iron Eagle, and now here
Speaker 2: we are. That time has come and he's coming off
Speaker 2: obviously a rough couple of years back end of his
Speaker 2: career where he struggled in Atlanta with a not so
Speaker 2: hot team and then went to Indianapolis and was part
Speaker 2: of that tire fire. So now he joins CBS. He
Speaker 2: reiterated by the way that he's not retiring, and there's
Speaker 2: a there's a business reason for that because he still
Speaker 2: do twelve million from the Colts this year, So it
Speaker 2: would not behoove him to retire because that would muddy
Speaker 2: up those greenbacks from heading into his bank account from
Speaker 2: the cults who are desperate to just move forward as
Speaker 2: an organization. My other point that I'm awake about Matt Ryan,
Speaker 2: there is a tendency for even though there's more scrutiny
Speaker 2: than ever on these booths, it's almost like everybody wants
Speaker 2: the same thing, and there's just like a flattening out
Speaker 2: of what you expect from your play by play guy
Speaker 2: and what your announcer. And that's why part of what
Speaker 2: made Romo sensation for that brief period, it's like, well, he's.
Speaker 1: Got this enthusiasm and he's predicting plays. He's just different.
Speaker 2: And then when you see Greg Olsen, who I like
Speaker 2: a lot, but he's now held up, is this like
Speaker 2: the vanguard, It's like he's just like pretty steady.
Speaker 1: He's not like a lot of juice to him.
Speaker 2: Give me the Matt Ryan, who's a maniac, the guy
Speaker 2: that there are legends about about how angry and he's
Speaker 2: screaming at people on the field and has like a
Speaker 2: ton of aggression in him when he studies the game
Speaker 2: and sees plays not go the way they want. I
Speaker 2: want Matt Ryan with the red face. I want him
Speaker 2: getting mad. Want I want some more personality in the
Speaker 2: booths in general, in the NFL and really in sports
Speaker 2: media in general. But these NFL booths, and maybe Matt
Speaker 2: Ryan will shock us and not just be a milk
Speaker 2: toast generic x QB like some others we've known, but
Speaker 2: kind of brings a little edge and gets a little
Speaker 2: mad at the guys and isn't afraid to be overly critical,
Speaker 2: you know, mix it up, Matt reeh.
Speaker 5: I think it's so like unpredictable which one of these
Speaker 5: guys succeed. And it's funny because Matt Ryan was that
Speaker 5: way and fiery, except always had an attitude of kind
Speaker 5: of being dull. You think about Matt Ryan, you kind
Speaker 5: of think of like maybe just a notch or two
Speaker 5: personality wise, more exciting than even his name Echo. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I mean maybe he'll be great. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think it's interesting that he's hopping right in where while
Speaker 5: there's increasing doubt that Tom Brady will ever take the
Speaker 5: role that he signed up for.
Speaker 1: No, there isn't, Yes, there is is not increasing doubt.
Speaker 5: There's literally reporting here me and Mary.
Speaker 1: That's just you guys keep saying it.
Speaker 5: Go read what Andrew Marshaun's put out over the last Go.
Speaker 2: Read what Andrew Mushan said as a pushback to him
Speaker 2: getting aggregated off his podcast.
Speaker 5: So hold on. So, like, the one thing is, why
Speaker 5: does Tom Brady need an entire year to go prepare
Speaker 5: for this when Matt Ryan's just going to go do
Speaker 5: it right now?
Speaker 1: Because Brady has the ability to do that, you can
Speaker 1: do whatever he wants.
Speaker 5: I'm very invested in Tom Brady doing this.
Speaker 2: But I think because I'm from the start, I have
Speaker 2: a sandwich on and I said, everybody's got to chill out.
Speaker 1: Everybody's expecting him to do something crazy.
Speaker 5: I think it's a great sun. And you're like, I
Speaker 5: might do this in a year, like it's in general
Speaker 5: in life. It's like, I'm really excited I'll doing this.
Speaker 1: I maybe picking an.
Speaker 3: I turn it around.
Speaker 4: I just realized he's going to be at the he
Speaker 4: committed to going to the Patriots game Week one.
Speaker 3: I guess he's not working.
Speaker 5: He's no, he's not working at all this year.
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn around.
Speaker 2: Why are people like you guys so invested in him
Speaker 2: not doing it.
Speaker 3: We just like our predictions to be right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I think that's probably what it is.
Speaker 1: I find that it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think why everybody's so like plugged into
Speaker 2: the idea of him renegging on the agreement. I think
Speaker 2: part of me, I'm trying to like say, like, well, oh,
Speaker 2: like he sought out this contract.
Speaker 1: It's a huge deal.
Speaker 2: It gives him high visibility at a huge salary with
Speaker 2: not a ton of work. Why are we just assuming
Speaker 2: he's looking to get out of a deal that he
Speaker 2: sought out and signed.
Speaker 4: I think it was just like an exciting moment, like
Speaker 4: Kendall Roy got Tom Brady signed up for a minute
Speaker 4: that they got to have a press release and then
Speaker 4: nothing ever happened.
Speaker 1: All Right, I guess we'll see.
Speaker 5: I love it. You talk about like, you know, the
Speaker 5: burning intensity, don't worry about who you're talking about being critical.
Speaker 5: It's like, I need a year to sit on this
Speaker 5: and maybe get better at It's like, I just don't
Speaker 5: see that fought with Tom Brady or take a year
Speaker 5: to go play.
Speaker 2: I think he was saying, I just played football for
Speaker 2: twenty straight years and I'm going to dive into this,
Speaker 2: So I'm taking any.
Speaker 5: Came in what two thousand and eight. It's not like
Speaker 5: he's jumping out of his career after his first contract.
Speaker 4: I think it's more likely that Tom Brady will be
Speaker 4: announcing games at some point than it is that Matt
Speaker 4: Ryan is suddenly gonna, you know, turn into Don Rickles.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of fire. I think he could
Speaker 3: be good, and that's my hope.
Speaker 1: And wish, but and a dream really but not the reacity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine that. Just here him in front
Speaker 4: of a micro And that said, I think he could be.
Speaker 4: I just want information. I want to get smarter. And
Speaker 4: if he's a little dry, but he's like the Mayoch
Speaker 4: type of announcer where you're he's teaching the audience and
Speaker 4: is a little.
Speaker 3: Dry, I like that.
Speaker 4: And that's that's what I'm hoping for, because I don't
Speaker 4: think we're getting personality fiery Matt Ryan.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that game.
Speaker 2: It'd be cool, though, it would be like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: it's a Matt Ryan game. Oh yeah, tm X is
Speaker 2: playing poorly. Oh Ryan's calling the game. He's gonna give
Speaker 2: it to him or he'll get you know, he's hyper
Speaker 2: emotional about certain way. It's like, that's why I want
Speaker 2: I want Dan Campbell to win a Super Bowl with
Speaker 2: the Lions at some point. But I also love to
Speaker 2: see Dan Campbell going off on some bros in the booth.
Speaker 2: He could be like a Maddenesque figure.
Speaker 5: Maybe it'd be a great surprise for Matt Ryan to
Speaker 5: be to be what you're just suggesting.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna go with one of the most
Speaker 4: underrated words in the English language.
Speaker 1: Hers stute, nice one, her.
Speaker 3: Stute meaning like harry or shaggy.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's a great time for the off season,
Speaker 4: just like the best beards or just to think about
Speaker 4: like it's a time for people experiment with their.
Speaker 1: Who's the most here stut on the show right now?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm the most I'm the hairriest.
Speaker 1: Its probably the most body hair per capita.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I do have a hairy chest, don't you.
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 5: I do. I think there was there were like beach
Speaker 5: images that leaked of Greg about eight nine years ago.
Speaker 1: I beach images that leaked.
Speaker 5: Yeah, damn, a Shek was all over it. I remember that.
Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I uh, I kind of remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5: Sam ask was up in arms, I don't on the
Speaker 5: cover breaking down or so of.
Speaker 4: The other podcasts they do the just like a roseland
Speaker 4: took them out. I show it, show it off a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you showed off on the other podcast.
Speaker 4: Well, just know the rope, the cover art. I'm ware, oh,
Speaker 4: kind of see it. So everybody check that out on it.
Speaker 2: You're not like Robin Williams or anything. I look, I'm
Speaker 2: basically a wet seal, like I just don't. I don't
Speaker 2: have a lot. Mark is probably very average on balance,
Speaker 2: I would say, in terms of.
Speaker 5: There's a little on the front of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I look at my brother though and my dad
Speaker 4: and they're just they're just kind of like gorillas walking around,
Speaker 4: very hairy backs and stuff. So I'm happy in my
Speaker 4: family that I'm I'm the least her stupid. But it
Speaker 4: also goes to be like Harry and Shaggy. I mean
Speaker 4: right now, maybe maybe it's Mark with the beard.
Speaker 3: I don't know a little bit.
Speaker 5: I mean, but not really. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 5: think there's a huge like debate between the three of
Speaker 5: us on this front. We did why are we going
Speaker 5: down this road. I don't know, just just wait, what
Speaker 5: does that have to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the glossary of terms connection?
Speaker 4: Well, it's just like we could have the best beards
Speaker 4: in the NFL conversation. Oh, Kelsey, you got Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: I've always thought it's a nice beard. It's very consistent,
Speaker 4: it's always there. Darnold is one of the worst beards
Speaker 4: I thought when he added that it was one of
Speaker 4: the test spirals looked like like a guy who couldn't
Speaker 4: really get it going.
Speaker 2: And I just think that's an And he don't grew
Speaker 2: a surprisingly strong orange beard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he grew more attractive when you like, with
Speaker 5: a number of island moves.
Speaker 4: It just felt like, Mari, that's something you can experiment
Speaker 4: with in the off season.
Speaker 3: It's an off season conversation.
Speaker 4: And then once we were in the off season during
Speaker 4: the pandemic, I think we have a shot of it. Eric,
Speaker 4: let's take a look if you're watching us on YouTube.
Speaker 3: We got our great friend Chris Westling. We got Mark.
Speaker 4: I mean, Mark might be the most curstute guy there.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know how to use it.
Speaker 2: It's weird because I had never attempted to truly grow
Speaker 2: out a beard until the world nearly ended or seemed
Speaker 2: like it was ending. So I just, you know, it
Speaker 2: just kept on. It didn't really grow in full in
Speaker 2: like a cool mountain man way. It just was splotchy,
Speaker 2: itchy after a while, and it's like this sucks.
Speaker 4: So it was maybe like the longest and it's like
Speaker 4: the thickest in parts. But again I'm not connecting the
Speaker 4: mustache with the beards, not connector looking Wes's was was fantastic.
Speaker 1: It was a solid beard and.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 5: I mean it was a very strange time. We had
Speaker 5: an agreement just to keep growing the beards. Then suddenly
Speaker 5: unannounced remember this one show, and I got, you know,
Speaker 5: a little bit uh inappropriately annoyed by it. I think
Speaker 5: Dan and Greg just suddenly shaved out of nowhere with
Speaker 5: no announcement. It was just like, well, what happened to
Speaker 5: our We had an agreement and then it was like
Speaker 5: we're out moving on?
Speaker 1: Our society is somebody maybe it was you, but it
Speaker 1: does sound like something you get like really discuss.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's just like blinded by the move.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like you were left to be humiliated when
Speaker 2: we did the next show and you still the beard.
Speaker 5: Though I don't know it peaked me.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to get her stew out there. All right,
Speaker 6: people should learn good job, good work. That's a wess
Speaker 6: and I used to use the word zoftag a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like a large s a individual rubenesque woman.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and we'll hit the
Speaker 2: rest of part one.
Speaker 1: Cvaceous that literally.
Speaker 3: That has to go.
Speaker 2: Oh my apple watch wanted to chime in or whether
Speaker 2: maybe that was credit.
Speaker 5: Did you say bump but shapely?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What did that even?
Speaker 2: Did he even talk at it? Gave the definition? Or
Speaker 2: maybe it was my search history.
Speaker 5: All Right, we're back.
Speaker 2: Let's finish out part one here, starting with Mark. I.
Speaker 5: All right, I is for imbrulio.
Speaker 1: Another good word.
Speaker 5: Yeah it means I mean, it's got a couple of meanings.
Speaker 5: But it's an intricate and confusing interpersonal situation. And we've
Speaker 5: all been there. Uh, but in this case, I refer
Speaker 5: to the Niners, and I, you know, I think like
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask you if it's an embrullio because I
Speaker 5: look at this quarterback situation and we're familiar with it,
Speaker 5: but there are some new developments on one level when
Speaker 5: it comes to Kyle Shanahan, who can't seem to get
Speaker 5: enough of a good thing. Uh, You've got like this
Speaker 5: post surgery wonder boy with Brock Party, and it's like,
Speaker 5: he's not I just assume he's not gonna start the season,
Speaker 5: But why would we never not be fascinated to see
Speaker 5: what he is on the other side of this rehab?
Speaker 5: Right You've got a former first round pick and Trey
Speaker 5: Lance who's thrown one hundred and two passes in two seasons,
Speaker 5: and you sold the farm for him and he's just
Speaker 5: hanging out. And then you bring in a first round
Speaker 5: flame out in Sam Donald, who, frankly, I mean because
Speaker 5: we've seen Kyle Shanahan, we've seen him indoor. Really, i'd
Speaker 5: say a really elongated, intense man crush on Kirk Cousins
Speaker 5: back in the day, and maybe it still goes on.
Speaker 5: You don't hear about it as much, but there were
Speaker 5: even little whispers this offseason that Kirk Cousins could have
Speaker 5: been a target for Kyle Shanahan. So I am just
Speaker 5: wondering because I'm at this point now where I don't
Speaker 5: care about facts. I just assume that Donald is going
Speaker 5: to start a game or two out of the gate.
Speaker 5: I absolutely do. If you listen to what Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 5: is saying about Sam Donald, I think we could be
Speaker 5: three weeks into the season and if you get Sam Donald,
Speaker 5: who does have skills, and you could argue everywhere he's
Speaker 5: been has been a mess, he get the Shanahan treatment,
Speaker 5: and you get the three best weeks of Sam Darnold's
Speaker 5: existence on the field, and he's like zipping passes to
Speaker 5: Deebo Samuel and doing things that you know better than
Speaker 5: Jimmy g And then some you've got a healthy brock
Speaker 5: party sitting there, and you've got Trey Lance, who you
Speaker 5: sold multiple first round picks for as your third string quarterback.
Speaker 5: This is like not a QB room, It's like a
Speaker 5: QB harem. And I am just wondering, like, is this
Speaker 5: an imbrulio like again, a sort of a sketchy and
Speaker 5: trick it and confusing interpersonal situation, or is it just
Speaker 5: another Niners off season and we don't need to worry
Speaker 5: about it because it's all going to figure itself out.
Speaker 2: Anybody that's listening to the show for any period of time,
Speaker 2: including my friend Gospel, who I met out to Mother's
Speaker 2: Day dinner last night, who is a huge fan of
Speaker 2: the show and had a lot of questions about things
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes. Shout out, Shout out Gospel
Speaker 2: knows that I've been banging the table for Darnald getting
Speaker 2: a real chance in terms of good coaching, good players
Speaker 2: around him. I'm very excited and hopeful he does get
Speaker 2: that chance in San Francisco because I think he could
Speaker 2: do well. Because I think not to take down brock
Speaker 2: Party at all, but I really do think Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 2: and that's set up there is so good that if
Speaker 2: you can get a guy that is a professional, that
Speaker 2: knows the playbook, that can make quick reads and put
Speaker 2: a throw on the money with some accuracy. Shanahan went
Speaker 2: out of his went out of his way to say
Speaker 2: that he calls Sam Donald a unbelievable thrower of the football.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks he can do the offense the
Speaker 2: way brock Party did, and if he does, Donald's gonna
Speaker 2: probably hold onto that job for a while. But a
Speaker 2: lot has to happen still in terms of learning what's
Speaker 2: going on with Trey Lance and his finger, and of
Speaker 2: course Party and his elbow.
Speaker 4: I think the keyword you said there were quick reads.
Speaker 4: That's where Brock Purty aced the old S two test,
Speaker 4: and I think that's why Sam Donald is on his
Speaker 4: third team. He doesn't make quick reads, doesn't make quick decisions,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the quarterback processing to this point, I
Speaker 4: think that's what's gotten in his way.
Speaker 2: But doesn't the other stuff factor in potentially into making
Speaker 2: quick decisions, whether it's line play.
Speaker 4: I mean, you either have a natural sort of NFL
Speaker 4: quarterbacking ability in terms of and you can improve it. Certainly,
Speaker 4: Donald's young, but I don't think he has that at
Speaker 4: a levet like I think Purty as a rookie was
Speaker 4: already better than Donald's ever been. Now Kyle Shanahan's system,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, in that one trait, Kyle Shannon system
Speaker 4: is such that you have answers to the test, that
Speaker 4: every play you have open receivers, and that, Yeah, it
Speaker 4: wouldn't shock me to see Donald looking great.
Speaker 3: I did. I don't know. I just don't know how
Speaker 3: Trey Lance fits into all this.
Speaker 5: That's like you almost have to try to trade Trey
Speaker 5: Lance if you're sold that Donald can just be here.
Speaker 2: So the reporting out there now around Lance was that
Speaker 2: the finger injury from his first season led to a
Speaker 2: complication in his second season that was keeping him from
Speaker 2: throwing the ball the way he wants to, and apparently
Speaker 2: that's now corrected now that a lot of this is
Speaker 2: the classic spin that you hear every off season, like
Speaker 2: this thing that we used to be a problem is
Speaker 2: no longer a problem anymore. It sounds like a lot
Speaker 2: of excuses for a guy who's, you know, as much
Speaker 2: as we rightfully kill Zach Wilson for being a bust,
Speaker 2: like Trey Lance, taken right behind him, is done not
Speaker 2: much more, barely played.
Speaker 1: Barely played in the in the two years he's been
Speaker 1: in the league. So I don't know. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of trade value he is right now.
Speaker 5: Not well, I think it would need to be, like,
Speaker 5: you know, a team with promise again lose is someone
Speaker 5: the same way that could have maybe traded Jimmy g
Speaker 5: a year ago and it didn't happen. There's no guarantee
Speaker 5: that there's a space for him anywhere.
Speaker 4: Weirdly, Walker has started in the mornings because for some reason,
Speaker 4: like it's allowed that he can watch some sports in
Speaker 4: the morning, you know, because he gets up so early,
Speaker 4: but not like regular TV. But he started going back
Speaker 4: and watching the season on game Pass and he had
Speaker 4: really he had Trey Lance's start up the other morning
Speaker 4: and I couldn't help watch it. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: and I know everyone's like I was in a rainstorm
Speaker 4: and it's one game. That's all true, but like he
Speaker 4: doesn't kind of like Darnold, he doesn't have the pocket
Speaker 4: presence and it was just one start, but he doesn't
Speaker 4: have the pocket presence where he like stays cool if
Speaker 4: there's anything going on around, and he just sort of
Speaker 4: freaks out.
Speaker 5: From one angle, there is something really beautiful about the
Speaker 5: way that Walker is uh just loving sports and really
Speaker 5: in many ways reminds me of what probably a young
Speaker 5: Greg would be. From another angle, I feel like it's
Speaker 5: like that old SI story on like Todd Morenovich's father,
Speaker 5: where like he's just being basically groomed to be an
Speaker 5: NFL dot com writer by age twelve or so.
Speaker 2: Well, d Game's up one day he's seventeen, He's like,
Speaker 2: what happened to my childhood?
Speaker 3: Exactly during Game seven.
Speaker 4: Of the Celtics who have tried to raise him as
Speaker 4: a big fan, we have been he's off watching NASCAR
Speaker 4: because he's more into that.
Speaker 3: Can't control him.
Speaker 1: All right, up next, Jay, Jay is for jubilation, Jay
Speaker 1: is for justice, Jay is for Jesus is real. This
Speaker 1: Commander's sale is gonna happen. You know how I know?
Speaker 2: It's on our website NFL dot com that the partnership
Speaker 2: led by Josh Harris, who co owns multiple professional sports teams,
Speaker 2: has entered into a purchase and sale agreement with the
Speaker 2: Washington Commander's owners Dan and Tanya Snyder to buy the franchise.
Speaker 2: The two sides announced on Friday. The agreement is subject
Speaker 2: to NFL approval by a vote of at least three
Speaker 2: fourths of the league's thirty two.
Speaker 1: Tween twenty four votes needed.
Speaker 2: And there's another report out there, Greggie that under ordinary circumstances,
Speaker 2: there are some questions about how many people are involved
Speaker 2: with the purchase of the team, Magic Johnson and a
Speaker 2: whole host of people that the NFL is not entirely
Speaker 2: comfortable with some pacifix of this new ownership group. However,
Speaker 2: they want to turn the page so badly that this
Speaker 2: Josh Harris group is in a great situation where the
Speaker 2: NFL is more willing to.
Speaker 1: Look past things.
Speaker 2: Maybe they ordinarily would not because it is time to
Speaker 2: give the commander's life again.
Speaker 4: Oh plus, he's playing six billion dollars for the team.
Speaker 1: Six billion, six point oh five billion.
Speaker 3: Panthers were what is U?
Speaker 1: Point oh five? By the way, what is that?
Speaker 5: Is that point oh five of a billion?
Speaker 1: So what is it?
Speaker 2: It's six like five hundred thousand, five hundred million, five
Speaker 2: hundred trillion, six billion, five hundred trillion dollars.
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't get a thirty nine on a
Speaker 4: state manity test, but I didn't do that well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now we're both in the weeds on the
Speaker 1: same math equations? So what it all mean?
Speaker 4: And I'm not high enough to get this quickly? It
Speaker 4: really shouldn't be that hard.
Speaker 5: Saw three hundred thousand dollars?
Speaker 3: Oh really, I was pretty close.
Speaker 5: In fact, I'm not sure that's right, but I believe
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 1: Six billion, three hundred thousd Such a weird.
Speaker 2: It's like such a weird uh like little add on
Speaker 2: there the three hundreds?
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just called again to go back to the roys.
Speaker 4: It seemed like he was fixated because there were reports
Speaker 4: that they were going to get more than six billion,
Speaker 4: and so this is more than six billion, and he
Speaker 4: made those reports control this.
Speaker 3: Is all great.
Speaker 4: It reminds me a little bit of you know, how
Speaker 4: we saw in the rookie mini camps this weekend that
Speaker 4: football is back.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: There's there's seventy five different moments that football is back,
Speaker 4: like I feel like there's already been three or four
Speaker 4: moments where the Commanders were sold, and there's still gotta
Speaker 4: be more because the owners actually have to officially vote
Speaker 4: on it and he has to officially become the owner,
Speaker 4: like Snyder is still the owner as of today. So well,
Speaker 4: we'll do a parade. And we've talked about it before.
Speaker 4: It is it's one of the most momentous things that
Speaker 4: happen since we've started doing this podcast. A franchise that
Speaker 4: has been all but destroyed and taken for great and
Speaker 4: just run into the ground that that has great fans
Speaker 4: is gonna have someone different running.
Speaker 3: It's it's amazing.
Speaker 5: It is terrible news, probably for Ron Rivera after essentially
Speaker 5: going in and doing you know, hazard taking hazard pay
Speaker 5: to run the place for multiple years. I think that
Speaker 5: everyone will be swept out.
Speaker 4: He's a smart guy though, so long though he's getting
Speaker 4: one more year.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean that he's this is not an
Speaker 2: ideal for him, as you know, winning a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: as a head coach. But he's yeah, by the way,
Speaker 2: I should just because games and he'll keep a job.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a obviously a big story with a
Speaker 2: lot of layers, so I should be a little more specific.
Speaker 2: It's the Washington Post that shares the opinion. This is
Speaker 2: via PFT from an unnamed person familiar with the sale process.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 2: If not for the other owner's strong desire to remove
Speaker 2: Snyder from the league, the harristeel probably would not have
Speaker 2: been approved without some revisions.
Speaker 1: One issue is.
Speaker 2: The raw size of the proposed group of limited partners.
Speaker 2: They each have to be properly vetted by the league.
Speaker 2: That will sl things down.
Speaker 5: I mean the Dolphins had like the Gloria Stepan and
Speaker 5: all those other people involved.
Speaker 4: That was they were just kind of like like.
Speaker 2: All the Williams sisters. Yeah, not just Serena and Venus,
Speaker 2: there's like fourteen others. They're just like they're all in
Speaker 2: come on in Urban Magic.
Speaker 4: Johnson is part of this group, and as he said, well,
Speaker 4: God really blessed him with an amazing sports week and
Speaker 4: the Lakers won. My Dodgers swept the Padres. He also
Speaker 4: owns the Dodgers, and I became an owner. He should
Speaker 4: have specified NFL owner. But I don't get the sense
Speaker 4: there's a lot of editing with his tweets in general. No,
Speaker 4: because he already wasn't magic man, he's doing it. What
Speaker 4: a ride for magic?
Speaker 1: Huh? I mean, if you're old enough to know the
Speaker 1: magic story, what a ride?
Speaker 2: All right, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1: We got a couple more.
Speaker 2: Uh uh, Let's see.
Speaker 1: Kay Greg all right.
Speaker 4: Uh kay is for kinetic pertaining to motion caused by motion,
Speaker 4: and to me, that is the Miami Dolphins, like they
Speaker 4: are the pre snap movement before the snap, everything just
Speaker 4: looks in perfect harmony after the snap, like they are kinetic.
Speaker 4: And it reminds me of how when Kyle Shanahan has
Speaker 4: shown up to places like Atlanta, everyone's like, hey, you're two.
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan's like Matt Ryan kind of struggled that first year,
Speaker 4: but that second year, that's when it really clicked in
Speaker 4: and the whole MVP thing happened. Mike McDaniel like laughed
Speaker 4: at that. He didn't need a year to set it up.
Speaker 4: He had it all coached so well from day one
Speaker 4: that they looked in perfect harmony. They have great continuity.
Speaker 4: We've talked about all the good things they've done on
Speaker 4: their defense, So I think they'll just be a better
Speaker 4: team because they're deep on defenseive better defensive coaching. But
Speaker 4: to me, this is his chance in Miami. You just
Speaker 4: don't know how many perfect chances you're gonna get. How
Speaker 4: long is Tyreek Hill going to be in his prime?
Speaker 4: Like everything is there right now. They have terrific continuity.
Speaker 4: They brought in Isaiah Win, which I thought was a
Speaker 4: smart signing over the weekend, a guy who's in my
Speaker 4: top fifty, who actually upgrades their tackle depth quite a bit.
Speaker 4: He might start for them, just give him a shot.
Speaker 4: He's had some good snaps. Its problematic, maybe, but he
Speaker 4: struggled the last couple of years and didn't really seem
Speaker 4: to be on, you know, on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 4: But he has some good NFL tape, which most people
Speaker 4: available now do not. I just to me, this offense
Speaker 4: is kinnectic. It's perfect. It's like, right now is the
Speaker 4: year for them to take off. There is a chance
Speaker 4: it'll happen.
Speaker 5: Really rough division. I mean their schedule, like when we say,
Speaker 5: like the Patriots schedule, it's like that. It's every one
Speaker 5: of these teams are dealing with the same thing. But
Speaker 5: every time before Mike McDaniel was hired, it was like,
Speaker 5: this is this guy, this is the guy behind Kyle
Speaker 5: Shanahan that's doing all these things. Like basically told Deebo
Speaker 5: Samuel in that final season before he went to the Dolphins,
Speaker 5: like if you let me, you know, when he was
Speaker 5: doing an immense amount of rushing and receiving, if you
Speaker 5: let me handle your career this year, I'll give you
Speaker 5: a year that makes you a ton of money. It's
Speaker 5: like he specializes in taking certain players and creating some
Speaker 5: of their finest seasons, which is what Kyle Shanahan did
Speaker 5: like in Houston and other places before he was a
Speaker 5: head coach himself. So I mean, there's nothing not to
Speaker 5: agree with here.
Speaker 4: And Mike McDaniel was there with Kyle at almost every
Speaker 4: step of the way. Sure, and if he is really
Speaker 4: the guy, not like the guy versus Kyle, but just
Speaker 4: like the next guy is like a true innovator. I
Speaker 4: just think it's set up for this season to potentially
Speaker 4: be really special offensively.
Speaker 2: You could tell me the Dolphins are playing in the
Speaker 2: AFC title game, and I believe you.
Speaker 1: Tell me that they finished last place in the AFC East,
Speaker 1: I would believe you equally.
Speaker 5: That's a vallat Old division.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then especially they do feel like and obviously
Speaker 1: the health of the quarterback is a major part of it.
Speaker 4: If Tua was healthy, I'd be shocked if if they're
Speaker 4: not good, but you know, I get shocked in this.
Speaker 2: And Mike White is a better backup, but still not
Speaker 2: an overly proven player himself who's had issues staying on
Speaker 2: the field at times. So there's a lot of variants there,
Speaker 2: but it's all on paper. It's all there.
Speaker 1: Kinetic, kinetic k l Mark.
Speaker 5: Here's another team that I'm annoyed at. L is for
Speaker 5: Luck Be Lady Tonight, sung once by Marlon Brando, sung
Speaker 5: by Frank Sinatra many times.
Speaker 1: That's what I always thought he was. It was canon,
Speaker 1: it was Frank.
Speaker 5: I mean it's from a play Guys and Dolls, And
Speaker 5: I believe Brando was that he was in the play.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that Batra took that in New York
Speaker 4: New York Song too and made his.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sinatra, absolute like it's weird. No, that was kind
Speaker 5: of thing, was I. No, one's sticking guys and dolls.
Speaker 5: I get that. I get that part, but I sort
Speaker 5: of just shove that in there. That's what the what
Speaker 5: the ettle voice on that Sinatra?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 5: He's a good singer. But I would ask you this,
Speaker 5: could you ever imagine Josh McDaniel's in a top hat
Speaker 5: and cane singing that song on the biggest stage of all? Well,
Speaker 5: me neither, because Elle's for the Las Vegas Raiders, who
Speaker 5: strike me slightly as an identity free in drifting franchise.
Speaker 1: It's spinning a little bit right now.
Speaker 5: I this is about the Raiders the biggest stage.
Speaker 2: So you're saying singing that song at the on the
Speaker 2: riser of the Super Bowl or like a stage like
Speaker 2: in Vegas.
Speaker 5: In this world, him singing like being the star of
Speaker 5: the show and singing would be him coaching the Raiders
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So not even specifically singing that song, but just being as.
Speaker 5: It's a metaphor, it's like his time in the sun,
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure that time's coming. So this is
Speaker 5: a team that let me get this straight. I understand
Speaker 5: that maybe maybe not everything went your way, but you
Speaker 5: bench Derek Carr, you ship him out of town in
Speaker 5: a box. Then, after all this time, your quarterback is
Speaker 5: Jimmy g who's basically just a better looking Derek Carr.
Speaker 5: So it's it. I know that Raiders fans.
Speaker 3: That's actually David Carr.
Speaker 5: That's true too. Yeah, that's a little but I'm just
Speaker 5: comparing their playing ability, and like Raiders fans are always
Speaker 5: getting super defensive, hot and bothered over words against their team.
Speaker 5: But I'm going to ask you this right now, the
Speaker 5: Las Vegas Raiders. Are they better than the Bills? Are
Speaker 5: they better than the Jets? Are they better than the Dolphins?
Speaker 5: Are they better than the Patriots? Are they better than
Speaker 5: the Bengals? Are they better than the Race? Are they
Speaker 5: better than the Steelers? Are they better than the Browns?
Speaker 5: Are they better than the Jaguars? Are they better than
Speaker 5: the Chargers? Are they better than the Chiefs? Welcome to nothingness?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we definitely got a dark Overnight Sessler vision.
Speaker 5: I was surprised when I looked up and down the AFC,
Speaker 5: because my answer to every one of those is either
Speaker 5: definitely or very likely.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, you skipped the AFC South, and yeah, so
Speaker 4: you left out a few teams. But if your point
Speaker 4: is going into the season on paper, they're probably like
Speaker 4: twelfth in the AFC or whatever that list would have
Speaker 4: come out to twelve thirteenth. Yeah, I mean, I guess
Speaker 4: I can't argue with you. The crazy thing is I
Speaker 4: look at their roster. I'm doing the projected starters and like,
Speaker 4: I'm shocked they kept the offensive line the same and
Speaker 4: they definitely got a lot of questions on defense. But like,
Speaker 4: I just look at that roster over on I'm like, Eh,
Speaker 4: that's a six or seven win team, but you're right
Speaker 4: in the AFC that might not be enough to even
Speaker 4: win four or five.
Speaker 3: You know, it could be tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're saying that, Like it's that old.
Speaker 2: If you're not competing for the Super Bowl, what are
Speaker 2: you even doing?
Speaker 1: Like if you're investing money in big time veterans like
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams, making a big splash for Jimmy g and
Speaker 1: all that, if you're not actually in contention, is this
Speaker 1: the right way to be running a team?
Speaker 2: So that I get that. So, if you're a Raiders fan,
Speaker 2: do you think you're gonna win the Super Bowl this year? No,
Speaker 2: you're probably not. But do they also are they so
Speaker 2: bad that they're like one of the like the Cardinals
Speaker 2: fans are feeling this year that like, why are we
Speaker 2: even a lot of Cardinals plan year? Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying in terms of, like we're looking ahead to this.
Speaker 5: The Cardinals like essentially like a massive haul of draft
Speaker 5: picks and they're using this.
Speaker 1: They're tanking this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like so then it becomes like, what as a
Speaker 2: fan would you rather have? You would you rather have
Speaker 2: an organization like the Cardinals since you mentioned them that
Speaker 2: or I mentioned them that completely has cashed in on
Speaker 2: an entire season and they're tolling a year forward. Or
Speaker 2: do you want to have the organization that might not
Speaker 2: be running at a high level and super Bowl level,
Speaker 2: but they're trying and they're gonna hopefully hang around in
Speaker 2: the wild card race and maybe they'll win a couple
Speaker 2: of games that they lost last year and at the
Speaker 2: end of the season they're nine to eight or maybe
Speaker 2: they squeeze out of ten and seven and surprise some people.
Speaker 1: I think that's within the range of outcomes for the Raiders.
Speaker 5: It is. I don't think the Raiders when they came
Speaker 5: into existence were branded on mediocrity.
Speaker 2: I get that, I get all that, but that's a
Speaker 2: long time ago. Now, the Al Davis Raiders and all that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, when I think about truly kind
Speaker 2: of depressing setups in the league, I'm not quite on
Speaker 2: the same page as you. I know you're you're more
Speaker 2: kind of I'm not a Josh McDaniels fan, but this
Speaker 2: is not new. You do not believe in the McDaniels
Speaker 2: experience in general.
Speaker 3: Is I want to like, you know, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 5: I think they are a little like whispers and anecdotes,
Speaker 5: and there's past stops at when he's the top person
Speaker 5: that leave me a little concerned. And I don't think
Speaker 5: all that's completely out of the wash right now.
Speaker 4: I'm more concerned about Patrick Grahm, their defensive coordinator, and
Speaker 4: that Rothter on defense, and if they're just one of
Speaker 4: the worst defenses in the league, they're not gonna be
Speaker 4: good enough offensively to make up for it. I do
Speaker 4: think Josh McDaniel's trying to stack his offense as much
Speaker 4: as he can to make himself and that's not a
Speaker 4: bad way to go to make the offense look good,
Speaker 4: and it could Adams, Jacobe Myers, Renfro, Michael Mayer, Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 4: That's a pretty good group around Jimmy g if you
Speaker 4: can keep a healthy But like I said, I was
Speaker 4: shocked they just kept the same offensive line.
Speaker 3: That was very strange.
Speaker 2: All right, last one here we go, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Amas for money, money, money, give it to me. As
Speaker 2: Missus Miller once said, money makes the world go round.
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams wants it. He wants it all. And how
Speaker 2: annoying is it that you know a guy that deserves
Speaker 2: all the money. You're starting to think, oh no, it's
Speaker 2: just turning into another one of those things for the Jets.
Speaker 2: Because Williams, who said months ago, hey give me a
Speaker 2: new long term deal that pays me at the top
Speaker 2: of the market, that reflects that I'm an all pro
Speaker 2: player that is one of the top defensive ends in
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 1: Take care of me.
Speaker 2: And then what does he do trope alert he scrubs
Speaker 2: the Jets from his bio It now says, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's changed since now, but defensive line.
Speaker 1: For that, I think it's a question mark. Question mark,
Speaker 1: question mark.
Speaker 2: And I know this is all posturing and all of it,
Speaker 2: but you can go back for years as far back
Speaker 2: as like Keishawn Johnson, Darrell Reeves, Jamal Adams. The Jets
Speaker 2: have an issue paying guys they don't that they draft
Speaker 2: and then giving him that second contract even when they
Speaker 2: deserve it. Do not do that with this guy. This
Speaker 2: guy is a foundational piece. Don't turn this into an
Speaker 2: off season of are the Jets going to trade Quinn?
Speaker 2: Just pay the man, Dexter Lawrence just got a ton
Speaker 2: of gwop. Give him the deal, a better deal than that,
Speaker 2: and move on. Okay, And I know you got a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff going on. You're reworking the Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers contract, but do not turn this into an issue
Speaker 2: because I'm just I'm kind of tired of it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to develop a superstar when you have it. Keep
Speaker 2: the guy in the building if he's a guy you
Speaker 2: trust and believe it.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that you, you know, brought up Leonard Williams,
Speaker 5: not not intentionally, but like that's another it seemed to
Speaker 5: be I feel like in the time that we've worked
Speaker 5: together four or five like probo all pro caliber defensive
Speaker 5: lineman that the Jets have not been able to hang
Speaker 5: with who've gone on to play elsewhere and been productive.
Speaker 5: And it's like there's so much hanging onto the Jets
Speaker 5: this season, and it's like they are under an immense
Speaker 5: amount of pressure and like, no matter what Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: are not, Like, what you really believe in on that
Speaker 5: team is the defense. And Quenta Williams, like what he
Speaker 5: did last season, is that guy for the Jets. And
Speaker 5: it's like you can't go on this journey and into
Speaker 5: Week one with him anywhere else but on your roster.
Speaker 5: But I do trust Joe Douglas to figure it out
Speaker 5: because I feel like we're in this world where like
Speaker 5: you can find a way to pay anyone. I think
Speaker 5: we'll be were with Deebo Samuel or year ago. You
Speaker 5: can find a way to pay every one of these people.
Speaker 1: Don't let it spiral.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't talk about the Dexter Lawrence signing where
Speaker 4: Lawrence got sixty million guaranteed on a four year deal.
Speaker 4: Lawrence played so well late last year it was really
Speaker 4: their best player overall, I would say at the at
Speaker 4: the end of last year, and yeah, Quentnin Williams, he's
Speaker 4: not being subtle about it. I think it's just a
Speaker 4: normal part of the process. He probably, I would guess,
Speaker 4: will get paid. It will be this offseason. I think
Speaker 4: at some point you might have to go through some
Speaker 4: annoying stories. But yeah, it says defensive tackle for which
Speaker 4: is a lot of dots. And the last the last
Speaker 4: tweet that he retweeted was Dexter Lawrence's contract and one
Speaker 4: of the last things he liked on Twitter was from
Speaker 4: kid from Queen's Three who said, stop f and around
Speaker 4: and sign Q since you want to post him an
Speaker 4: S word as the quote retweeting a Jets tweet which
Speaker 4: which included Quentin Waie. So I think Quinn is letting
Speaker 4: everyone know how he.
Speaker 1: How about this? Quinn like, you know, you don't need
Speaker 1: an agent for this. Just do the Lamard thing. Go
Speaker 1: take the Dexter Lawrence contract, turn it over to the
Speaker 1: Jets and say add ten million to this and let's
Speaker 1: go and see what Joe says.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it makes it might be tough
Speaker 4: because I don't know Dexter Lawrence at least had a
Speaker 4: better year last year.
Speaker 5: It makes sense to scrub all your social at this point.
Speaker 5: I think you just do it and you know we're
Speaker 5: talking about it because that's a notable thing.
Speaker 1: Add point oh five that works or billions.
Speaker 4: Quinn's more of a pass us anyways, and a better
Speaker 4: player for what it's worth, I think than Leonard point five.
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna get it done. I don't think
Speaker 5: he's gonna mushro him into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Total, he's better than Leonard Williams. He's better than Sheldon Richardson.
Speaker 2: He is much closer to like a revis talent in
Speaker 2: my opinion that Reeves is a Hall of Famer actually,
Speaker 2: so maybe somewhere in between those two.
Speaker 1: Just don't create another distraction. Right. That's part one of
Speaker 1: the glossary. A to Z.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Thursday with the great Colleen Wolf,
Speaker 2: who's going to help us out for part two.
Speaker 1: Good to have Connie around, good to have anybody around
Speaker 1: these days.
Speaker 4: Final thoughts, just want to say, I, you know, sometimes
Speaker 4: use jokes to show my affection, and sometimes they're little jabs.
Speaker 3: It's part of how I grew up.
Speaker 4: And so my mention of your jean jacket, you know,
Speaker 4: back at our dinner and even even as you take
Speaker 4: it's a sign of appreciation.
Speaker 5: I Greg at this point, I feel really comfortable with
Speaker 5: what you've said, and I appreciate your appreciation, and I
Speaker 5: also enjoy your wardrobe.
Speaker 2: And to everybody behind the glass, if you want to
Speaker 2: get a still of me, I could even sit still,
Speaker 2: and if you could just photoshop both of the gentlemen
Speaker 2: on each shoulder black and white, devil an Angel, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just that's cold.
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Speaker 1: Kieran Colkin, I love that, dude. I love the Roman.
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