1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Coolso media, Welcome to it could happen here. On today's episode, 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: we have Robert Evans, Harrison Davis, Miowong, James Stout, Margaret Kildroy, 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: and I'm Sophie Lickterman. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: This is the post election episode. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 3: Robert, Yeah, it happened here, is happening has continued to 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 3: happen here. 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. This has been a podcast from the beginning about 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: things falling apart, which is a great business to be in, 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: I guess because they keep doing that. I want to 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 3: start by kind of talking about yesterday's episode, the one 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 3: that I dropped before the election, because I thought a 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: lot about like what to put out on the day 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: of the election, and I kind of made the call, 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: which I don't know regrets the wrong word. I made 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: the call yesterday that like, Okay, we've got this new 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: poll from Selzer. People are starting to feel like, you know, 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: some of this late breaking news is good for Harris. 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: Some of the post posters are hurting back in that direction. 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: I probably should do something to kind of like pump 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: the breaks on enthusiasm and remind people that even if 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: she wins, there's still a lot of dangers out there, 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: right because That's what I saw as like the big 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: threat model is Harris is likely to win, and then 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: people are going to forget about these constitutional sheriffs and 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: all these different kind of like right wing gules that 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: will still be a problem if we don't take care 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: of them, right, if we don't do anything to actually 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: like hamper their ability to exercise power. So I wrote 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: that episode with that in mind, and it turns out 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: I was being overly optimistic, and I think it was 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: being overly optimistic in part. You know, I tend towards pessimism, 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,279 Speaker 3: which is why this show exists in the first place. 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: You Know, one of the things that's happened is we've 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: gotten bigger and more people have listened. Is whenever like 36 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: shit happens in the world, we get bombarded on the 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: subreddit and just like in emails to myself with people 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: saying versions of like I don't know what to do, 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: using language that's like very worrying sometimes about how hopeless 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 3: they feel. And so I've kind of felt a growing 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: responsibility to like spread calm and hope, and I think 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: that merged to a degree with the you know, after 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: my dad died, this desire to like not just be 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: sad and de doomer. And I think it led me 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: to have, I guess, more of an optimistic Like I 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: forced myself into an unreasonably optimistic frame of mind just 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: because I thought that was the responsible thing to do. 48 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: And I guess I'm kind of like evaluating that now, 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: like what should I have done differently, you know, if 50 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: I'd been in a more logical state of mind. And 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: I guess the answer is, I don't know how to 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: be in a more logical state of mind. Like the 53 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: problem is there's so much, you know, you've got this 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: hyper object of a political realignment happening in our country 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: in this very dark direction you're also trying to deal 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: with and I'm sure everyone listening is dealing with versions 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: of this on their own. You know, people you care 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: about getting sick and dying and you know, losing or 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: having to start new ones and embarking, you know, starting 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: to become a parent or whatever. Like everybody's got all 61 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: these massive things in their own lives, and like trying 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: to keep a completely rational perspective on the political happenings 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 3: in this country while remaining unaffected from like the way 64 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: in which your own life is going to color your 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: optimism and biases is probably a hopeless cause to some extent, 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: which I guess is part of why we're here to 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: try and as a collective offer people our most reasonable, 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: sort of averaged opinion about what's going to happen. So 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: I guess that's what we're going to try to do here. 70 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: That's what I've got to start with. 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, hope is illogical, but it is necessary, and 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: I think that's really where we have to start. I'm 73 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: going to toss over to Margaret real quick about hope. 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Margaret, fix this for us. 75 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Well, I just to say just to say, I woke 76 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: up today with some hope, and I think a lot 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: of that is from my friendship with Margaret, and I 78 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: don't think there's a better person to talk about that 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: than her. 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Margaret, I appreciate that. 81 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: I often make the joke about the fact that I 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: name myself kill Joy in my twenties and then became 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: a professional optimist. But I think that and I think 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: that actually it could happen here. I think folks here 85 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: do it really well. Sometimes determination is almost sometimes the 86 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: right word instead of hope, right because or like optimism 87 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: is always the right word, because you're like, well, bad 88 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: things are happening, and they're going to happen, and they're 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: going to keep happening, right, And so sometimes we look 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 4: at like like climate change, for example, which is the 91 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 4: broader problem. You know, you're like, well, no matter what 92 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: we do, it's going to get worse. And so the 93 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 4: immediate electoral problem in front of us, like, no matter 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: what happens, it's going to get worse before it gets better. 95 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: But we need to stay aware of that and stop 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: pretending like the bad things aren't coming. Well, then still 97 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: looking at saying like, well, what can we do? And 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: for me, the thing that I focus on. I have 99 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: a therapist friend who talks about how agency is the 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 4: opposite of trauma and that the more that we act 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: with agency while bad things are happening, the less that 102 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: they destroy us emotionally. And so I think that focusing 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 4: on what can we do is just incredibly useful and necessary. 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: And also the fact that things are in turmoil right 105 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 4: now and that means lots of bad things are happening 106 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: and the old status. 107 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: Quo is gone. 108 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: We saw that with the defeat of the Democrats. Their 109 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: whole thing is that they doubled down on the old 110 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: status quo, and people don't want that. People want something different, 111 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: and Trump offers something different, a very horrible nightmare thing 112 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: that's different, and the Democrats did not offer something different. 113 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 4: And so I actually think in a weird way, we 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: are in a good position to on a grassroots level 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: build something different and say that people want something different. 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: And I think that by working towards something different and better, well, 117 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: it's the best way to keep our own spirits up. 118 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Thanks mac Buye, I absolutely agree, James. 119 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: What's your perspective here? 120 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it goes without saying that, like Trump's proposed 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 5: border policies are horrific, and his propos migration policies are horrific. 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: Horrises were also bad. I think like that that doesn't 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 5: mean that that Trumps are acceptable or the same, they're not. 124 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 5: But also, like I think, having spent as much time 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 5: as I have with refugees, having spent as much time 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 5: as I have with people who have gone through things 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: that are horrific and like state hostility, state violent, civil war, 128 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 5: et cetera, like I have a lot of hope that, like, 129 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 5: like Margaret said, right, there's there's this quote from de Rooti, 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 5: it probably isn't real about how like we're not afraid 131 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 5: of ruins, and we've lived in ruins our whole lives, 132 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: and we'll build our future in the ruins of the 133 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 5: old world. But like, when I think about the next 134 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: four years, like the state will be absent or hostile 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: right now, absent at best and hostile at work. It's 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 5: been that way at the border for a very long time. Yeah, 137 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: and we've built our little community and our little world. 138 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: And like when I am sad, when I'm despairing, when 139 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 5: I'm scared, I think about the things that we did 140 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 5: in the last year, right we fed tens of thousands 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 5: of people by ourselves, and in doing that, we demonstrated 142 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 5: how powerful we are in the absence of the state. 143 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 5: Because the state wasn't there, or the state was actively hostile, 144 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: we were able to step in and from nothing, we 145 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 5: were able to build something that took care of people 146 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 5: who needed to be taken care of. And that like 147 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 5: we're not special or unique, you know, we didn't have 148 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 5: like some incredible structure here before. People just showed up 149 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: to help people, and like more people will need to 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 5: do that now, and that will mean that there are 151 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 5: more people in difficult places who need help, right, But 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that you can't do it. If we 153 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: can do it, you can do it. And having done 154 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 5: it has made me less. Yes, I just I'm not 155 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 5: as scared as I would be if I felt like 156 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 5: I was on my own, or if I felt like 157 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 5: that we can't deal with this, because we can and 158 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 5: I know that because we have and I want. Obviously 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 5: that's something we're going to focus on. Right we have 160 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 5: between now and the middle of January. I have no 161 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 5: idea how many weeks or days that is, but it's 162 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 5: a lot of time to organize, and it's a lot 163 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 5: of time to put aside some of the differences we 164 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: might have, some of the petty disagreements, we might have, 165 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: some of the ship that people have said on Twitter 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 5: dot com and like, get together and organize and build 167 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 5: a way of taking care of each other that doesn't 168 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 5: rely on the state, because that's always been what we 169 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 5: needed and we need it now even more so. 170 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of what we need now, here's some ads. 171 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: Oh Robert, what else? You just can't stop him? That 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: was just physics. There was no other way for. 173 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 5: That to go. An object in motion. 174 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was like the oceans forming after the 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: moon hit the Earth. Well, whatever happened to make oceans? 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how oceans came about. 177 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 5: Even they're gonna call him Rubbitt tectonic plate efforts. 178 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to it could happen here where 179 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: it is happening here, And Robert still can't help himself 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: to make strange ad transitions. 181 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: Garrison, what do you got for us? 182 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I I feel like I am 183 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 6: not an optimist, and I also put a lot of 184 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 6: work into not being a doomer. I try to be 185 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 6: pretty realistic about a whole bunch of my like thoughts 186 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 6: and analysis on this sort of thing, and I tend 187 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 6: towards survival as kind of one of my main, my 188 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 6: main priorities. And i'd like to we talk a little 189 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 6: bit about kind of some of what we actually saw 190 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 6: on election night and some maybe some small like misconceptions 191 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 6: going around, mainly this kind of idea that the country 192 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 6: has like wildly swung to the right, like people have 193 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 6: like overwhelmingly, like more so than ever before, have have 194 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 6: have voted for like far right figures have voted for 195 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 6: far right like bills basically wanting this this complete like 196 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 6: nationalistic takeover. If you look at you know, their presidency, 197 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and I mean 198 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 6: the final count is still coming in. We are recording 199 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 6: this Wednesday afternoon. It's noon on the West coast right now, 200 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 6: and Trump has almost the same number of votes as 201 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 6: he gotten twenty twenty. I think it's a little bit 202 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 6: under at this point. Now, there is some demographic changes, 203 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 6: certain groups may have leaned more towards or against Trump 204 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 6: than in past elections, but the final like averaged popular 205 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 6: vote number is at this point pretty much the same. Now. 206 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 6: Kind of why this has happened, why he's still kind 207 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 6: of sweeping all of these swing states is we've kind 208 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 6: of had a collapse of trust in the Democratic Party, 209 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 6: and you could attribute this to a lot of things. 210 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 6: I don't think it's a single thing. It is obviously 211 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 6: a confluence of events. I think of one of the 212 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 6: big things is like nine percent inflation is kind of 213 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 6: hard to beat if people, to Margaret's point earlier, they're 214 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 6: looking for something different, and Harris meaningfully was not offering 215 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 6: anything like substantially different. She's the VP right like it's 216 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 6: she has that legacy. I don't think Biden could have 217 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 6: done much more to alter the inflation, but like that, 218 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 6: that doesn't matter. People people feel this and that's very strong. 219 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 6: And there's other reasons why people have kind of lost 220 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 6: faith in the Democratic Party or aren't as willing to 221 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 6: come out in as high numbers as we saw back 222 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. And crucially, but back in twenty twenty, 223 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 6: in a lot of the swing states, the vote was 224 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 6: very close. Although the popular vote swung pretty heavily towards 225 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 6: Biden in a lot of the crucial swing states, in 226 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 6: some of the states he was only like twenty thousand 227 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 6: votes ahead. Like it was, it was a pretty tight 228 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 6: race in some of those states. 229 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 230 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 6: Now, the other thing I'm kind of seeing which kind 231 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 6: of reflects this idea that like the country has it wildly, 232 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 6: like the average people haven't wildly become a more fascist. 233 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 6: It's that even in states that have elected Trump, they 234 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 6: have also passed like a decent number of progressive initiatives, 235 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 6: including abortion rights. Voters in Arizona and Missouri approved ballid 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 6: initiatives that will serve to protect abortion rights until further 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 6: laws are in the books, and in Maryland, in Montana, Nevada, 238 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 6: and New York where abortion is legal, and Colorado, where 239 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 6: there's no laws restricting abortion, they all passed measures that 240 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 6: enshrine those rights into law. Now, Florida, unfortunately was not 241 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 6: able to do this due to the super majority rules. 242 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 6: Even though majority of people did vote for this in Florida, 243 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 6: they did not reach the sixty percent threshold, so that 244 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 6: did not pass in Florida. 245 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: But fifty seven, yeah, close, and it was an outright majority. 246 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 247 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 6: So people are willing to vote for these types of things, 248 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 6: even if they're unwilling to vote for a Democrat at 249 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 6: the top of the ticket, and like, this is something 250 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 6: that is worth considering when trying to figure out what 251 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 6: exactly happened here and consider why people have kind of 252 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 6: lost faith in the Democratic Party as a reliable institution 253 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 6: to improve their lives or represent the things that they 254 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 6: believe in, the gaza issue being kind of the prime 255 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 6: example of this in the past year. One other thing 256 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 6: I was thinking about this morning when trying to kind 257 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 6: of look forward and imagine what the next four years 258 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 6: would look like, specifically with the concern of figures like 259 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 6: Elon Musk and RFK Junior being put into pretty important 260 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 6: positions of government. Right, the idea that RFK Junior is 261 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 6: going to be in charge of the CDC and determine 262 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 6: public health policies for the country is a very worrying prospect. 263 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 6: Having Elon Musk in a senior advisory role in some 264 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 6: kind of governmental department of efficiency doesn't sound. But as 265 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 6: I was having my coffee next to a beautiful river 266 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 6: in the mountains of North Georgia this morning, I was 267 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 6: thinking about Steve Bannon because my brain is just fucked 268 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 6: up like that, but specifically how Trump used Steve Bannon 269 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 6: to get elected back in twenty sixteen, even though Bannon's 270 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 6: actual tenure at the White House was quite short lived 271 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 6: for whatever reasons like personality clashes with Trump happen all 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 6: the time, and he loses friends and advisors at a 273 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 6: pretty frequent rate. And I think, because Trump is just 274 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 6: like petty and you know, ablest and a bad guy, 275 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 6: he might just find RFK Junior and Elon Musk annoying 276 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 6: to be around. Considering rf K Junior's his speech impediment 277 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 6: and Elon Musk's apparent neurodiversity, Trump just might not want 278 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 6: to be around them. So even though he did utilize 279 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 6: both these figures to get elected, albeit slightly later on 280 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 6: in the campaign, it took a while for Musk to 281 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 6: kind of worm his way into Trump's or bit. I 282 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 6: am not convinced that they will have direct access to 283 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 6: Trump for very long. Now. This could happen, but if 284 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 6: you look at Steve Bannon, who was similarly a worrying figure, 285 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 6: he did not last very long beside Trump. So something 286 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 6: like this could happen now, I don't think it'll happen 287 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 6: the exact same way. Elon Musk has been positioning himself 288 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 6: to have the government be reliant on him for contracting, 289 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 6: and he'll probably continue to exist in some form in 290 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 6: that regard, but in terms of his like direct influence 291 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 6: on the White House and controlling sectors of government, this 292 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 6: won't necessarily be a four year thing. I think that 293 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 6: is most of what I had on this topic. 294 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 5: I guess. 295 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 6: I guess. The other thing is, like it turns out 296 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 6: in Harris's efforts to kind of court independence and court 297 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: like Republicans that largely that largely failed. 298 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: Massive failure, massive failure. 299 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 6: I mean again, it turns out when you have a 300 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 6: party that's running as kind of like a mini fascist party, 301 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 6: and then you have another party that's as just a 302 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 6: conservative party. 303 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: We've got Dick Cheney. 304 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not a solid opposition party. Like, why like 305 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 6: this hasn't worked for like the second time in a row. 306 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 6: The stats are almost identical to twenty twenty on this 307 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 6: issue of Republicans voting for the Republican Party. In fact, 308 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 6: it was slightly few slightly fewer of them voted Republican 309 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: back in twenty twenty. More of them voted Republican in 310 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. I think it's about one percent. 311 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Trying to court the conservative vote means that the conservatives 312 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: are going to vote for conservative. 313 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 6: Maybe we should have an actual opposition party if you 314 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,359 Speaker 6: believe in electoral politics. 315 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean, like the lesson people should take 316 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: from trump Ism. Trump did not get where he is 317 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: by courting the conservative vote. Now, Trump took over the 318 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: Republican Party and made it the Trump Party. And yeah, 319 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: like that is what worked, right, Like, and that's that's 320 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: the actual lesson. Like, the reason why Dick Cheney was 321 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: fucking doing appearances with Kamala Harris was because conservatives, what 322 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: we had known as conservatives prior to Trump coming to 323 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: power largely are out of the picture, right, Like the 324 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: new crop of guys are all weirdos that have molded 325 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: themselves in the image of Trump since his rise to power. Right. Yeah, 326 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 3: And one of the things that is, like, the lesson 327 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: is not we need to make our own Trump, although 328 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: by god, some people are going to take that lesson 329 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: out of this. The lesson is that, sure, you have 330 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: to come to people with a vision, right, Like, you 331 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: don't come to people by saying, well, what if we 332 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: put a Republican in our cabinet? Right, what if it's 333 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: basically the same as this last thing that you're not 334 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: really that happy with, but instead with more Cheney. Right, 335 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: it turns out that doesn't drive foot or enthusiasm, and hey, 336 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: like that's you know, I'm hitting the Libs pretty hard 337 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: because this is like the most catastrophic failure of any 338 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: political party in living memory. Right, So they do deserve 339 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: to be hit. But it's not like the left accomplished 340 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: anything right, either electorally or otherwise. Right, there is no 341 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: organized national left wing movement that is worth talking about 342 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: in any kind of building power way, Like it simply 343 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: doesn't exist. 344 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: And ignoring the blind loyalty that people have for Trump 345 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: was a mistake. Yeah, not considering like targeting that audience. 346 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like all of the January sixth ads 347 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 6: did anything at all. 348 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: No, did fuck all. 349 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 6: I mean, in fact, in fact statistically they did they 350 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 6: did nothing. They did nothing to hurt Trump. Yeah, if 351 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 6: Trump gets essentially the same total number of votes, they 352 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 6: didn't do anything to hurt him like that, Like that 353 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 6: strategy was not that was not successful. 354 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to. 355 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 6: Offer something, and just the large swath of like electoral 356 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 6: nihilism that the that the Democratic Party keeps keeps running 357 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 6: up against continues to be its most like existential threat. 358 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: Robert Gary and I at the RNC talked to a 359 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: variety of people who who did not give a flying 360 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: fuck about Trump's record. 361 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 6: Well, of course not. 362 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: All they cared about was no, they had blind loyalty. 363 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Timp I posted this on Twitter dot com, and I'm 364 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: thinking specifically of the woman that was like compared Trump's 365 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: evil for lack of a better word, Oh, sometimes he's ridiculous, 366 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: like my husband, and that blind loyalty and the Democrats 367 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: weren't gonna fucking flip those people. That was not gonna happen. 368 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: They took a gamble, wasn't even really a gamble. They 369 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: took a gamble on the wrong crowd, and like that 370 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: that's not effective, But you know it's not really here 371 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: or there at this point. It happened kind of like 372 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: now what, Yeah, we haven't really heard from me much, 373 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot over to Mia. 374 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I mean I think I think where I'm 375 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 7: at is that Okay, we're in this moment. Are one 376 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 7: of our biggest advantages is that were not the Democrats. Right, 377 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 7: this has been a fairly comprehensive refer random on the 378 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 7: failure of the Democrats to offer anything. We also like 379 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 7: screwed up offering a better world. 380 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 8: Right. 381 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 7: This is you know, if you look, if you look 382 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 7: at what happened to twenty twenty, and you look at 383 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 7: the places that we actually sort of like, I mean 384 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 7: took power as a strong word, but like there are 385 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 7: places where we ran the cops out, and we screwed 386 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 7: up making those places like a world that was like 387 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 7: ideologically compelling it off to spread. And like we're not 388 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 7: going to get like a third do over of that, right, 389 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 7: we have to be able to sort of like when 390 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 7: the moment arise, we have to be able to actually 391 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 7: create a world that is better enough than this one 392 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 7: that we can move. But that's not impossible. Yeah, I 393 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 7: think what we have right now is we have a 394 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 7: period of time before Trump takes power, and we have 395 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 7: this time to sort of wash our beasts. We have 396 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 7: this time to organize, We have this time to plan 397 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 7: and I think the at least part of what we 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 7: need to do. And we'll get into this more like 399 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 7: in other episodes and totally later too. You know, there's 400 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 7: there's there's the obvious tasks of organization. There's getting people 401 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 7: involved in things, there's getting into meetings. I also think, 402 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 7: and this is something that's I think easier to do, 403 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 7: like literally immediately, is that we've been fighting completely defensively 404 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 7: on the cultural front for four years and it's been 405 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 7: a complete disaster, and we need to have a large, 406 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 7: skilled cultural offensive. There needs to be something other than 407 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 7: fucking TikTok Mormonism, like we need we need some alternatives 408 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 7: to trad wife ship, We need alternatives to this like 409 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 7: terrible like the fucking influencer sphere. There needs to be 410 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 7: something else. We need to create that very very fast. 411 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: Anarchist tradwife stuff like Christ. 412 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: That's what you're gonna save us, all right, Yeah, everybody, 413 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: everybody go buy us sun dress right now, get out. 414 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 5: There, both of you to assume we don't have them, 415 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 5: robit and. 416 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull Robert everything. 417 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: Speaking of buying things, it's time for our last ad break. 418 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: All right, we're back. 419 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: And I do want to get I do want to 420 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: get into, you know, a little bit more specifics of 421 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: what can we do now? And I just want to 422 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: say a fucking lot. The cards are on the table. 423 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 6: It's going to be a busy four years. 424 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 425 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: You know. 426 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: I attended Margaret's book books signing last week, and I've 427 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: attended lots of our events. And one of the questions 428 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: and q and a's, and one of the questions that 429 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: gets asked all the time is how do I get involved? 430 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: How do I how do I find how do I 431 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: meet people? How do I do these things? And you know, 432 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I want to get into that. I also want to 433 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: give some very basic tangible advice. You know, don't post 434 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: stupid things on the internet. 435 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: If somebody tells you we need to go out and 436 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: engage in revolutionary activity. Maybe sit at home right now. 437 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: You don't want to come into this thing with the 438 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: criminal record. Nobody, nobody is making good plans right now. 439 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: Go make good ones. Don't just reactively show up and 440 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: follow someone with a clipboard in the streets. 441 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: Don't post actionable threats on the internet. 442 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 6: Don't post that picture of that comedian that gave that 443 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 6: really funny joke. Just don't do it. There's no reason to. 444 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 6: It's not cool. Yeah, Like, don't if you know what, 445 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 6: if you know what comedian I'm talking about, you'll get it. 446 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 6: You'll get it. 447 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: If you're going to, you know, get messed up. Use 448 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: substances in order to cope with things. Log out of 449 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: social media on all of your devices first, you know. 450 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like that's some advice you were giving yourself. 451 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: Sober as a church mouse, Sophie, just just coffee and 452 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: clean mountain air. 453 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: For me, A very basic recommendation that I have for 454 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: people is to get delete me. 455 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah mm hmm. 456 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: It is worth the investment. It is a good product 457 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: that That's what I'll say. 458 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: Yes, delete me as a service that helps purge aspects 459 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: of your public record from the internet. Right there's a 460 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: lot of different site like, yeah, you have been involved. 461 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: If you are a person who participates in the economy 462 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 3: through the internet, right, if you buy things through the internet, 463 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 3: your shit has been leaked right there. 464 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: You know. Tagline is your private information is no longer private, right. 465 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: And so essentially what they do is they scour the 466 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: internet and remove your personal data from online and they 467 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: don't do that once. 468 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: They continuously do it. 469 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: This is like a fantastic plug for the product they 470 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: are not paying us. Yeah, let's just say the trucier 471 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: scientology could not find me. 472 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, so I. 473 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 6: Will say there is some alternatives to delete me that 474 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 6: are trying to get up and running. We might do 475 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 6: a full episode on data removal in the. 476 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: Future, Yeah, we definitely should. 477 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 6: It does require you to also do manual inputs. There 478 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 6: are certain sites that delete me when they send takedown 479 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 6: requests to data brokers. Certain sites will not comply. You 480 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 6: have to send requests manually. It's pretty simple. But they 481 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 6: will give you a list of certain sites as well 482 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 6: to do to go through this process manually. Yeah, but 483 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 6: I think like kind of the last thing we want 484 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: to talk about is, like we have seventy five days 485 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 6: right to like prepare for stuff. We have seventy five 486 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 6: days to prepare for the next four years. In some ways, 487 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 6: it's going to kind of be like twenty seventeen to 488 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 6: twenty nineteen again, which was a very busy time. Kind 489 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 6: of all of the right wing gules that have been 490 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 6: hiding under the rocks the past few years because of 491 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 6: the liberal doj will probably start coming out of the woodwork. 492 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 6: There's going to be, you know, a lot more stuff 493 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 6: going on. And you know, those of us that are here, 494 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 6: we're able to make it through those years. Some of 495 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 6: your friends probably weren't able to. And it is up 496 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 6: to us to take care of each other, to try 497 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: to ensure that ourselves and people we know have a 498 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 6: better chance of making it through these next four years. 499 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 6: And I think kind of lastly, I'd like to kind 500 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 6: of just go around talking about like what that will 501 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 6: look like and how to kind of start that process, 502 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 6: especially during these first seventy five days. Like, brunch is over. 503 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 6: Brunch has been over for a while, Brunch should have 504 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 6: never started. Yeah, but brunch is over now, So what 505 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 6: can what can we do in these next to seventy 506 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 6: five days. 507 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: It's a share your black coffee with friends time. 508 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: Share your black coffee with friends, maybe cork the champagne. 509 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, cork the champagne. 510 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: You're drinking that orange juice though you don't have enough 511 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: vitamin C. 512 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: Or when you and your anarchist trad wife friends get 513 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: together for brunch, just make sure to actually talk about 514 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: real radical things you can do, because if you already 515 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 4: have a way of gathering with your friends, you should 516 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 4: just turn it into talking about more than just how 517 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 4: your day is. 518 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, I feel like I need to put on 519 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 7: the record that what I said, that what I was 520 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 7: trying to say is we need feminism, not anti tradwife. 521 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 7: I don't know how many was conveyed. 522 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 4: I was trying to recruit you into my tradwife. 523 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: Called no, thank you for clarifying me, y, But that 524 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: was very much understood. 525 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: But being a little bit literal right now is not bad. Yeah, there, 526 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: so true. 527 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: I think about like the ways that I've found my 528 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: people and the way that. 529 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: I have made my community. 530 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: Obviously, like the taglines of you know, talk to your 531 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: neighbors and things like that are absolutely important. But the 532 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: recommendation you know, obviously joining orgs are great. Sure, that's 533 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: a great talking point, but that's not really how I 534 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: met my community. The people that are essentially my family now, 535 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: I met by going to content and different creators shows 536 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: and music and different events where we had mutual interests, 537 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: even if that meant that I had to drive pretty 538 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: far and found people that liked the things that I like. 539 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: And it turns out a lot of the people that 540 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: like the things you like believe the things you believe, 541 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: and if they don't, they're usually pretty open to hearing 542 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: you out. Yeah, and I think it's super important to 543 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: listen to your friends and also, like I've said this 544 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: quite a bit, support your friends weird how be Yeah, 545 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: that's super crucial. 546 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: Listen to the people around you. And it's not easy. 547 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: I had basically no friends for a very long time 548 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: because I did not have the right people around me. 549 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: And it took a lot of effort to find my 550 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: core humans. I mean, I'm not recommending this. If and 551 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: several of us did do this, I moved to a 552 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: different state. You save up for it. It's it's definitely 553 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: not affordable thing to do, definitely not an easy thing 554 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: to do. But I don't know where I would be 555 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: without those people, and I love them. 556 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, politics and culture do go hand in hand in 557 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 6: so many ways, and kind of yeah, cultural engagement and 558 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 6: ways to kind of grow your social network, especially you 559 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 6: know in places where there's probably where there's I mean 560 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 6: in my case, you know, like trans people, queer people, 561 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 6: people that I'm kind of around, and people who I'm like, 562 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 6: you know, concerned about, like personally who people are like no, 563 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 6: you know, going into these next four years, I guess 564 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 6: like the biggest thing I was kind of thinking about 565 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 6: last night is like, yes, these next four years are 566 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 6: going to suck, and in many ways it'll just be 567 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 6: like everything will just get slightly worse. But like I 568 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 6: know that myself and those I know like immediately around 569 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 6: me will be fine, Like we will be Okay, things 570 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 6: will be worse, but we already have networks, We already 571 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 6: have community. We have these things built up to take 572 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 6: care of each other and provide the things that we need. 573 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 6: And this is something that we'll be talking more about 574 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 6: in the kind of the next few months. Like we 575 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 6: have we have that, and that's taken effort. That doesn't 576 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: just happen by itself. It requires effort, and it requires 577 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 6: resistance to this idea like community nihilism, this kind of 578 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 6: belief that like community is like not a real thing 579 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 6: that doesn't actually exist, which is a very privileged thing 580 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 6: to believe, because there's people out there who rely on 581 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 6: this and will continue to rely on this even more 582 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 6: in these next few years. But there are those without that, 583 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 6: and that's and that's the people I'm most concerned about. Yeah, 584 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 6: it's it's queer kids, it's trans kids who do not 585 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 6: have those networks, do not have those communities, people who 586 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 6: are isolated like that is who I am most concerned 587 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 6: about that. And I understand the impulse to kind of 588 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 6: isolate and just go online because that's safer than having 589 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 6: to go out into the real world, or at least 590 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 6: it feels safer, But I don't think that's actually real. 591 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 6: I think that leads to its own forms of detrimental harm. 592 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 6: So like it requires like a getting off discord and 593 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 6: like a going into your community and trying to make friends, 594 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 6: which can be scary, but it is like incredibly crucial. 595 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 6: I think we should talk about like joining actual orgs 596 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 6: as well. I think some other people on this call 597 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 6: can speak more to that and like the utility of 598 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 6: those as well. But I think first and foremostly even 599 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 6: getting a network of friends outside of orgs. It's also 600 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 6: a very is a very good It's not even crutch. 601 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 6: It's just like a life support system that it's going 602 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 6: to be super important. 603 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 604 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to throw it to Margaret for a 605 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: socond because she looks like she really wants to say something. 606 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: Oh and I don't actually disagree with anything that they're saying. 607 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: I think, no, not at all. It is absolutely crucial. 608 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 4: I wanted to just say that, like, I think there's 609 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 4: actually a weird blurriness in the lines between an organization 610 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: and a friend group, right totally. And the problem isn't 611 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 4: necessarily subculture. The problem is a sort of if we 612 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: have this idea that there's a hegemonic subculture, like in 613 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: order to be a radical, you have to be part 614 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: of our click, right, And that's a problem. Whereas if 615 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: whatever click you're already part of, or already subculture you're 616 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: already part of, you turn that radical. I think that 617 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: is you know, it's what Sophie was talking about. But 618 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: then yes, there's a lot of people who have no 619 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: access to any of that, and some of it, as 620 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: I think you're saying, is well, if you only hang 621 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: out with your friends on discord, like maybe it's time 622 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: to start meeting up in person, and even if that's 623 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 4: very complicated to do. But I also think that there's 624 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 4: a huge importance to open door organizing and organizing. Like 625 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 4: when I say orgs, I don't mean like go join 626 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: PSL or any authoritarian cult, right, or that there should 627 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 4: never be a one organization that's this is the strategy 628 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 4: that we have to use to fight this. But instead, 629 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: if you get together with the people that you want 630 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 4: to get together with and say, this is the problem 631 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 4: we're dealing with, how do we deal with it? And 632 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 4: that is how you can create an organization. And if 633 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 4: you do that, many of those organizations I would hope 634 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 4: would have open door policies and be public because there 635 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: are so many isolated people who want to be involved 636 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 4: who don't have any kind of like cultural cachet with 637 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: which to get into a more subcultural group. I think 638 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: this is why churches are very good at recruiting unfortunately 639 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 4: depending on the church, but like because you can just 640 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 4: show up and they will be like, okay, you have 641 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 4: a community now, right, And that is what people desperately 642 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 4: want I think right now, And we have to be careful. 643 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: We don't want to just be like, oh, therefore we 644 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: should replicate what they do. But I think that overall 645 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: what our movement needs is instead of gatekeepers, we need ushers. 646 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: We need people to help people find their way into 647 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 4: the movement, to help bring them in and figure out like, hey, 648 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: what are you good at or what are you interested 649 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: in being it at? Here's how you can apply it. 650 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 4: And I want to really quickly use a case study 651 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: that happened from the last Trump election that I think 652 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 4: was actually fairly useful. It was living in a small town, 653 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 4: a small city with a fairly vibrant to anarchist community, 654 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 4: and when Trump was elected, we called for anarchist assemblies 655 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: and they were open door and they were places where 656 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: you don't get together to plan crime, but all of 657 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 4: these different mutual aid groups would come and bring representation. 658 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 4: People would say this is what we're working on, this 659 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: is what we can use help with. And they weren't 660 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 4: decision making bodies, they were information sharing bodies. And a 661 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 4: lot of different groups spun up out of it that 662 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 4: are still around, like herbal clinics and different mutual aid organizations. 663 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 4: Because we just said, hey, everyone who cares about this, 664 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 4: let's get together and talk about what we want to do. 665 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 4: And I found that to be an incredibly useful thing. 666 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 4: And it's like the kind of thing I would pitch 667 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 4: to people is not necessarily and if you're not an anarchist, 668 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: don't do it as the anarchist thing. Yeah, that's what 669 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 4: I'm that's what I care about. That's what I'm excited about. 670 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. I just wanted to offer, like, first of all, 671 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 5: like get outside if you can, like touch and touch 672 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 5: grass can be very condescending. And I don't mean it 673 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 5: like that. I just like I was feeling stressed last 674 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 5: week and I went off and I climbed to the 675 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 5: top of a mountain and I sat there by myself 676 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 5: for a while and it was nice and it was 677 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 5: so quiet. I could hear like this little hawk's wingspeeding, 678 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 5: and that was really good for me. That's what I 679 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 5: like to hear. It would not have changed the outcome 680 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 5: one bit if I had stayed and sound twister dot 681 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 5: com for four hours instead of doing that. So I 682 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 5: want you to all take time for yourselves and do 683 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 5: things that kind of make you feel hopeful. I want 684 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 5: to build a for what Margaret said, there are so 685 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 5: many skills that all of you had that you could 686 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 5: share with someone. I think when I started being an 687 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 5: anarchist it was largely because I was going to a 688 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 5: bike co op, and like, people shared their skills with me, 689 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 5: and I shared my skills with them, and we all 690 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 5: shared our stuff with each other, and I worked out 691 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 5: that we could just rely on other people for that shit, 692 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: and they did need to be hierarchical or based on 693 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 5: transfer of material goods. People just want to help each other, 694 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 5: And a lot of people have messaged me saying that, 695 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 5: like they know that I participate in mutulae and they 696 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 5: want you to. If you can't see it, then you 697 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 5: have to start it. And that's okay. You can change 698 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 5: the world if you make a caller full of sandwiches 699 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 5: and give them to people who are hungry. I guarantee 700 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 5: if you start doing that shit, you will find other 701 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 5: people and they will say, hey, what are you doing? 702 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 5: Oh I'm feeling people? Why because they're hungry? Can I help? Yes, 703 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 5: It's that easy, and like we can build from there. 704 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: We don't have to agree with them on everything, first 705 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 5: of all, but we can build from there. And I 706 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 5: think it can be really scary. But like now. It's 707 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 5: the time to start, not once things get worse, you know, 708 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 5: four eight years ago was the time to start. But 709 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 5: we can't go back. And I want to kind of 710 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 5: finish up with that that, like, we can't go back. 711 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 5: I don't care where someone was yesterday. I don't care 712 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: where they were last week. I don't care where they 713 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 5: word last year, like all the malices where they are now, 714 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 5: and we can build forward from here. We cannot go 715 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 5: back and change things. And it is not worth doing 716 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 5: endless recriminations. It doesn't matter it's happened. It's on us 717 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: to decide how we react now. And you can react 718 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 5: in a way that strengthens our communities and that builds 719 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 5: ways are taking care of each other, which aren't way 720 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: they of controlling each other. That that's all that you 721 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 5: need to do to make this so much less despairing, 722 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 5: so much less terrible, and so much less deadly for 723 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 5: some people. And I know that we're doing that here. 724 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 5: Check in on my friends. I'm in and Daddy and Gap, 725 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 5: I'm checking in on my mutual aid friends. And if 726 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 5: you don't have that, I want you to build that. 727 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 5: And I promise it's not something that's out of reach 728 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 5: like you can do it. 729 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 730 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 7: I want to add one last thing. I think a 731 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 7: lot of people think they don't have skills. You do 732 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 7: have skills. The thing that I did when I started 733 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 7: organizing was I move chairs around so that people could 734 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 7: have meetings by moving chairs, and I helped take. 735 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 3: Care of people's kids. 736 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 7: That like, helped put posters up right. 737 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 5: People. 738 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 7: People can do things. You have things that you can do, 739 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 7: And it's it's time to lock in. That's that's what 740 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 7: that's what we have from here. It is it is 741 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 7: time to lock in. It's time to organize, it's time 742 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 7: to get prepared to fight. 743 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 744 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just the first episode after the election. 745 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: In the coming weeks, coming days, coming months, we're going 746 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: to go into very specific detail on things. We are 747 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: going to provide different information and resources and continue to 748 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: defend against disinformation and misinformation. And this is a fucking 749 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: daily show. 750 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 6: We will we will be getting into all of all 751 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 6: of these topics, especially in these next seventy five days, 752 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 6: to help prepare this topic by topic. 753 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going. 754 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 6: To be it's gonna be a long four years. 755 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: It could happen. 756 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 8: Here is a production of cool Zone Media. For more 757 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 8: podcasts from Cool Zone Media. Visit our website Polsonmedia dot com, 758 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 8: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 759 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 8: or wherever. 760 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: You listen to podcasts. 761 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 8: You can now find sources for it could happen here, 762 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 8: listed directly in episode descriptions. 763 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.