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Speaker 1: Two American soldiers and an interpreter recently killed in Syria.

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Speaker 1: Why do we have troops still in Syria? Join me

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Speaker 1: today as I welcome kavork Amasian Syrian expert and from

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Speaker 1: the homeland itself to the David Rutherford Show. I saw

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Speaker 1: your most recent analysis of the current situation in Syria.

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Speaker 2: I was blown away by it. I think I'm.

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Speaker 1: A big proponent of people who are from the area,

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Speaker 1: who have intimate personal connections to a place to be

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Speaker 1: able to give the best analysis. And after going and

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Speaker 1: watching a bunch of your videos, and going through your

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Speaker 1: profile and X and watching your YouTube channel, I just

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Speaker 1: thought my audience would benefit immeasurably from your expertise.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for joining me. Devid, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for the opportunity. When I started my

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Speaker 3: own YouTube channel in twenty seventeen, my main goal was

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Speaker 3: to build bridges with the American people because I believe

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Speaker 3: we have a lot in common, and politicians tried to

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Speaker 3: separate between the people in order to portray one people

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Speaker 3: as evil and the others are saints.

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Speaker 4: It's just a black and white picture that they try

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Speaker 4: to portray. But when we really understand each other, we

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Speaker 4: will also come to the conclusion that many politicians who

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Speaker 4: wage this type of let's say, aggressions on other nations

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Speaker 4: or other people, they don't really have the case and

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Speaker 4: they therefore they try to give different narratives to their

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Speaker 4: own people in order to sell a war basically. But

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Speaker 4: this time in Syva, this was a covert wur It

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Speaker 4: wasn't declared. Let's say to the audience.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm the perfect example of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I was in the seal teams and

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven happened, and it was like, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: gotta go seek revenge, we gotta go kill a bunch

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Speaker 1: of appshan tal ban al kita whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was just Muslims in general.

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Speaker 1: You know, I concocted a significant level of hate when

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Speaker 1: I knew nothing about the Afghan people, the Afghan history.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember as a kid watching the Exposes

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Speaker 1: in sixty minutes with my father about the Afghan War

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Speaker 1: and Mouhajaden. But now all of a sudden, it's completely flipped.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little confused. I go over and after my

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Speaker 1: first deployment, I was fundamentally confused because I started to

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Speaker 1: see the politics play out in the war itself. And

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Speaker 1: then as I continued and went to work for Blackwater

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Speaker 1: and went to work for the agency, I really came like.

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Speaker 1: I did my research and read probably I don't know

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty books on Afghanistan, the people, the history, the culture,

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Speaker 1: the various cultures, its importance in the region, and that

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Speaker 1: was transformational for me to realize how to separate right,

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Speaker 1: I think the challenge and you stated it perfectly, that

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Speaker 1: politicians and people in power are constantly trying to pit

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Speaker 1: us against one another. We're seeing it in our own

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Speaker 1: in America now, but all over the world, Americans against

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Speaker 1: this class of people or this class of people by

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Speaker 1: by contextualizing it and is very black and white. And

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Speaker 1: what I do understand is that none of this is simple.

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Speaker 1: There's an there's many different layers of complexity, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful that today you're going to share with our

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Speaker 1: viewers your insights as to what those complexities are. So

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Speaker 1: as we get started, can you just give a brief

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Speaker 1: history of yourself and what got you to the position

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Speaker 1: that you're in today.

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Speaker 4: First of all, this was around one hundred years ago,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen years ago. My ancestors fled the

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Speaker 4: Armenian Genocide. This was in the current day southern Turkey,

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Speaker 4: so they had to Some of them fled to eastern

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Speaker 4: Syria where it is now called Commishli, and others to Aleppo.

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Speaker 4: I was not born and raised there as Syrian. My

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Speaker 4: ethnicity is Armenian in an Orthodox Christian family, and I

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Speaker 4: And after high school, I also continued my bachelor degree

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Speaker 4: in international relations and diplomacy in the suburbs of Damascos.

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Speaker 4: My instructors of the professors were multinational. Some of them

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Speaker 4: were Americans, others were German, so I started learning English thankfully,

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Speaker 4: let's say, at early age. When I started my bachelor studies. Then,

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Speaker 4: because I was my GPA was Hi, my university sent

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Speaker 4: me to Paris. I studied European Affairs for one year

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Speaker 4: finally I started my political science master degree and specialized

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Speaker 4: in Middle East politics. And my research thesis was basically

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Speaker 4: about the Civil War the anatomy of the Civil War

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Speaker 4: in order to try to come to an academic conclusion.

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Speaker 4: Basically whether what happened in Cyvia was a democratic revolution

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Speaker 4: regressive uprising and the militant insurgency against a political autovitarianism

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Speaker 4: regime in Damasco, something that my supervisor rejected.

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Speaker 5: That's why I didn't get my certificate up until this moment.

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Speaker 4: But I'm a very stubborn person when it comes to

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Speaker 4: my nation the least to say, because I believed that

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Speaker 4: when you participate in with your research and publish an

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Speaker 4: that my input would have been countra productive, let's say,

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Speaker 4: for the history of my country. So I rejected to

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Speaker 4: change my dissertation. I rejected to change my research, and

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Speaker 4: I stayed on my conclusion, which I have argued for

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Speaker 4: Seven War is quite clear now objectively for the people

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Speaker 4: to see whether a kiddo back then twenty four years

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Speaker 4: and doctor Redigley, what's correct in twenty fifteen, Actually, my city,

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Speaker 4: Aleppo half the city of Aleppo was occupied by al

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Speaker 4: Qaeda off shoot Almosa, which was led by Jolani. My

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Speaker 4: brother was kidnapped by a group affiliated to the Jolani group,

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Speaker 4: and this group was directly funded by the CIA, and

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Speaker 4: we were able to free him and pay a big

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Speaker 4: ransom to unfortunately terrorists in order to free my brother.

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Speaker 4: And after that we came to the conclusion that it

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Speaker 4: and we as Christians there would be under imminent threat.

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Speaker 4: So I fled to Germany. I was a refugee in

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Speaker 4: Germany for a few years, but I learned the language quickly.

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Speaker 4: I integrated into the society and started working, and in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen I started my YouTube channel with the aim

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Speaker 4: of trying to tell the people the all the side

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Speaker 4: of the story. I don't claim at all that I

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Speaker 4: to encourage the people that you have the mainstream press,

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Speaker 4: and you have lots of nowadays YouTube channels, podcasts, you

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Speaker 4: can watch everything. What I'm trying to do is show

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Speaker 4: you a different perspective of what happened. In Cybia and

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Speaker 4: what is still ongoing in the country, and you can

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Speaker 4: make up your mind at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: watch everything if you have time, because this is also

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Speaker 4: very difficult for dinner with people nowadays to really dedicate.

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Speaker 5: Some time to watch.

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Speaker 4: You live in the US, and you know, people are

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Speaker 4: that unfortunately this system has created some sort of passiveness

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Speaker 4: among the people because these policies are killing people around

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Speaker 4: the world. That's what I try to encourage the people

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Speaker 4: to be more let's say, engaging in politics.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant and I mean and what's interesting is that

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Speaker 1: with the explosion of I guess, YouTube and other social

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Speaker 1: people such as yourself, really the people who understand the

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Speaker 1: ground truth, right. That was always the thing is, you know,

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Speaker 1: you learn something and then I would go overseas and

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Speaker 1: I'd be on the ground and it was completely different

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Speaker 1: got through, you know, our intel networks. But it's the

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Speaker 1: ground truth that always tells the truth, right, all right,

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Speaker 1: So if you could, would you just describe the framework

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Speaker 1: of the Syrian War, its inception, really the dynamics of

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Speaker 4: Actually, Syria has been very central in the policy of

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Speaker 4: the US indivision because there was a perception that you

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Speaker 4: make peace indivision without Syria. So those are two countries

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Speaker 4: surrounding basically Israel, who had very capable armies, national armies.

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Speaker 4: Egypt still has its national armies. Syria it was another

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Speaker 4: one which had to be weakened at least or persuaded

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Speaker 4: to join a more pro American camp in the region. Now,

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Speaker 4: in the Middle East, as your respected audience probably know,

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Speaker 4: the vast majority of the countries are autocratic countries. Some

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Speaker 4: of them are republics and others are monarchs. Democratic culture

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Speaker 4: is in my opinion, it exists in some communities, but

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Speaker 4: a vertical relationship between yourself and God, this also reflects

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Speaker 4: because the political class comes from the society, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: come from space. And therefore I have argued for some

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Speaker 4: chaos in Syria, this will definitely not lead into democratic transition. Now,

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Speaker 4: of course, the planners in the US, they have argued

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Speaker 4: the beginning those are all bollocks. I mean, I'm old

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Speaker 4: enough to remember Libya and also Iraq. I think the

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Speaker 5: Now, Syria was a country.

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Speaker 4: Which adopted the policy that says, we are not going

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Speaker 4: the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians after the Nact by

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty eight. But Syria at the same time engaged

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, Syria always said, if you

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Speaker 4: give me back the Golan Heights and allow the Palestinians

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Speaker 4: to their homes, we could reconsider this position. I think

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Speaker 4: because of the two thousand and three invasion of Iraq and

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Speaker 4: General Wesley Clark and others mentioned seven countries in five years,

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Speaker 4: there was a state of paranoia in Damascos that they

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Speaker 4: hit list of the damas course of the United States. Therefore,

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Speaker 4: Syrian policy makers, especially but Shavel Assad, has moved from

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Speaker 4: Kervy visiting him, Tony Blair is hanging around with him

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Speaker 4: we have to remove because this paranoia created a situation

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Speaker 4: for Asad that once Saddam was ousted, then the Secretive

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Speaker 4: Damascus and says, look, Havyb has Adami's gun, and now

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Speaker 4: we have a list of demands. You either follow these

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Speaker 4: demands or your next and those demands had like we have,

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Speaker 4: this list is public right, it's reported everywhere. There is

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Speaker 4: no there is no mention for democracy, for the improving

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Speaker 4: the human rights conditions in the country. What they really

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Speaker 4: asked for is Syria has to cut its strategic relationship

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Speaker 4: to stop this operation. And we have more meaningful ways

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Speaker 4: to do that, and that is economic warfare. And since then,

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Speaker 4: if the Syrian let's say, if I had to buy something,

435
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Speaker 4: for example, this this microphone, let's say, used to cost

436
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Speaker 4: one dollar, right or one Syrian pound, after the sanctions,

437
00:27:54,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: it costed eight hundred pounds. And Syria does and on

438
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: its oil oil fields because the usports are station there

439
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: sanctions imposed and Syria and any other third country company

440
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Speaker 4: which dares to deal with Syria, which means everybody is

441
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: STEREVII fight. Nobody wants to deal with with Syria, including

442
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: the allied countries, because Russia has bigger interests with the

443
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: United States than with Syria. Ivan also doesn't want to

444
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: put itself on the more harsh sanctions, so Sylvia was

445
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: abandoned basically, and the impoverishment which hit Syria after these

446
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: sanctions was that ninety five percent of the Sylan people

447
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: went broke.

448
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Speaker 5: They were below the poverty line.

449
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Speaker 4: And if you're poor, do you really care if your

450
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: political system is Assad or if it's Jolani. What you

451
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: really care is you need bread, you need milk for

452
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: your children. So they have demoralized the Syrian people after

453
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: these economic sanctions that they no longer have the appetite

454
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Speaker 4: to continue fighting for their own nations. So that's why

455
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four of the re Gym change was successful.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for that. That was brilliant.

457
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, all right, so you talked

458
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Speaker 1: about US troops being around and securing or oil fields.

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Speaker 1: Can you walk us through how those were identified, how

460
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Speaker 1: that process took place, and then how long and how

461
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Speaker 1: what kind of size force are we looking at that

462
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: are American forces that are around and protecting those spots.

463
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Speaker 4: So basically, as had lost control over these oil fields

464
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Speaker 4: on the Eastern short after Euphrates for a long time,

465
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Speaker 4: since twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. And the power which first

466
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: occupied these oil fields.

467
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: Was Jolani's people, who is now in power.

468
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Speaker 4: But then when ISOs grew, ISOs occupied all these areas

469
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: and coincidentally ISOs moved. Of course I'm being sarcastic. ISOs

470
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: moved from an organization into an Islamic state tanks to

471
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: its revenues that they made from these oil fields.

472
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: Right.

473
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: And when you see the satellite images that the Russians

474
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: published first when they intervened in Syria in September twenty fifteen,

475
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: you see hundreds of oil tankers basically just walking and

476
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: going to Turkey, and they're selling their oil to Turkey.

477
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: And the son of Erdogan bilal back then used to

478
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: have a say over this file, and they're giving them

479
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: cash dollars. So all of a sudden, I expands, They

480
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 4: get all the Toyota tracks, and they get the weapons,

481
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: and they expand and they take over these oil fields.

482
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: But then when the Russians intervened, and so the intervention

483
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: of the vasions was so crucial that the Americans had

484
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: also to intervene, otherwise they would have lost leverage over

485
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 4: the country completely to the vasions. So they managed through

486
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: the Kurdish forces is the FYPG, to move from the

487
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: north into the east of Syria and take over these

488
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Speaker 4: oil fields. So the contact line between the Assad government,

489
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Speaker 4: the Russians and its allies was the Euphrates River on

490
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Speaker 4: the eastern shore of the Americans, on the western shore

491
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Speaker 4: of the Syrians, Venians and the Russians. And here they

492
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: have drawn the contact line. This is the rules of engagement.

493
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: You don't close, we don't close. But eventually Sivins lost

494
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: fifty percent of the oil revenues because now these oil

495
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: revenues are in the hands of SDF and also the

496
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 4: Americans because they are selling it also to the kurdest

497
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: town of Iraq, and the oil that Syria had in

498
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: in the other fifty percent, they're unable to export it

499
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: because they're under sanctions. And when any of these refineries

500
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: were let's say there is a damage you need to repair, okay,

501
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: you need spare parts, and you cannot even import spare

502
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: parts because of the sanctions. So what has happened during

503
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: this time the Russians and the Venians, they started sending

504
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: fuel to Syria some of them were hijacked in.

505
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: The Mediterranean by the Americans. They didn't let them.

506
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: Arrive to Syvia, so basically they choked the country from

507
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Speaker 4: all sides. And I was in Sybia in July twenty

508
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: twenty four, so a few months before Asad fell. And

509
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: when you walk in the streets and you see the

510
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: depression and the misery in the eyes of the people

511
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: after all these years of war, and then you have

512
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: all this huge super hyperinflation, you don't really expect these

513
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: people to be resilient any longer. They were really demoralized

514
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: to the extent that they don't care who is in

515
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: charge and who is in power. I think it was

516
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: very successful covert operation in Sybia, which they could copy

517
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: later in other places. Unfortunately that we lost a lot,

518
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: you know, like this is something that I have to

519
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: stress to your expected audience, that we had homes, we

520
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: had businessnesses, we had hopes, we had future to think

521
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: about in our country. Now it's all gone. Even if

522
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: I want to go back to Syria, first I cannot

523
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: myself because Jolanni is in power. But even if I

524
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: was unknown person, I cannot really find myself belonging to

525
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: such a country. Any longer whose main ideology and the

526
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: governing system is basically people who were either part of

527
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Speaker 4: ISIS or part of al Qaida. And now they pretend

528
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: and Mascuarade has reformed rebels in the country. But they

529
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: cannot fool us because we as our millions paid one

530
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: and a half million people of our people in the

531
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Speaker 4: past by people with similar mentality. They cannot fool us

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Speaker 4: by saying we are reformed. What I believe is they

533
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: are in strategic exhaustion. They have fought a lot for

534
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: a long time, for fourteen years, just like others, and

535
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Speaker 4: they're not in a position now to continue fighting and

536
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Speaker 4: be let's say, confrontation inside the country and outside the country.

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Speaker 4: But once Turkey consolidates its power in in in Syria,

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Speaker 4: I think that would be the next stage in a

539
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Speaker 4: new multi layered war that is expected in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant. I think you're spot on with that. I

541
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna see a union between a network of

542
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Speaker 1: countries that we haven't traditionally seen because they're all I

543
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: think gaining a lot more economic influence on these countries

544
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Speaker 1: that have been you know, ravaged by.

545
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Speaker 2: War for so long as civil war. All right, you posted.

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Speaker 1: On your ex account a recent story published by The

547
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: New York Times that essentially compares Jilani to Mandela, which

548
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting to say the least.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of background on who this this rising

551
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: political star is, and I mean, I'm the most disgusting

552
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: thing to me as a g Watt veteran who you

553
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: know my friends have most likely in fact, one of

554
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: my close friends, Scotti Wurtz, was blown up in Syria

555
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: along with Joe Kent's wife back in the day when

556
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be out but Trump's first DoD

557
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: group basically blew off his orders and left people in

558
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Speaker 1: in country. Can you explain to me who Jilani is

559
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: in what you believe based on the words he said,

560
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: the speeches he's given, what his intentions are with this

561
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: with the country of Syria.

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Speaker 4: Actually, this was in two thousand and three when the

563
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: Iraq War happened and Jolani decided to go from Syria

564
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 4: to Iraq to wager war against the Americans. Now, when

565
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: he was there, he joined the Al Qaeda in Iraq,

566
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: the AQI, and he was he vote allegiance to AMOZOWAHIV.

567
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Basically his expertise was in carbombs, right, and this guy

568
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: is responsible for sending carbombs mostly into Shia neighborhoods to

569
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 4: start the civil war in the country. Because these tech

570
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: filies hate Chias way more than Americans. They hate Shias

571
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: and Allowhites and Drus because they believe in Eventaimier's ideology.

572
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: Evamier was eight hundred years ago. They called him a

573
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: revolutionary Islamic scholar who basically said, we as a Muslim, uma,

574
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Speaker 4: we should first purify our domestic home, and our domestic

575
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: home should be purified from the newer and more progressive

576
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: interpretations of Islam. And those are the Drus, those are

577
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: the Allowais, those are the Shias.

578
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 5: So they first woke was on these minorities. Now Jolani.

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Speaker 4: When he was there, he was captured and he was

580
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Speaker 4: put in different prisons. One of them is the Buka camp.

581
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Speaker 4: And this is a question I wanted to ask.

582
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Speaker 5: You as well.

583
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Speaker 4: If you believe that, is it theoretically possible that this

584
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: guy was recruited in Albuka camp or does the CIA

585
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: have such a precedence of recruiting people or making them

586
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: agents for the CIA? Why I'm asking you this because

587
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: the timing makes no sense to me. So he was

588
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: imprisoned in two thousand and five and then released alongside

589
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: Baghdadi in March twenty eleven, which is the first month

590
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: of the operation Timberskamer And then Jolani goes to Syria

591
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: and forms Al Qaeda in Syria called Japeto Nusva or

592
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Speaker 4: Al Nusla Fan. And I don't believe that somebody leaves Iraq,

593
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: goes to Syria and all of a sudden he has

594
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 4: the financial power, he has the structural organization to form

595
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: a strong army like Al Qaeda without foreign backing. There

596
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: has to be some secret services involved in this. If

597
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: it's not American, it's something else. But definitely this guy

598
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: when he moved from Iraq to Syria, he was already

599
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: ready to lead an organization that was non existent in Syria.

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Speaker 4: When he went there, he started from scratch and he

601
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: made the big fighting army with multi national terrorists from

602
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 4: all around the world. So he moves to Syria, he

603
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: starts this organization Japeto Nuzuab, but nobody stracked Jolani. That's

604
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: also big question mark, Like we all have, how many

605
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: armies in Syria, the Seven Army, Iranians, Hezbola, Russia, Americans,

606
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: or the US led coalition.

607
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 5: And none of them Israeli.

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00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: Israeli has targeted Jolani in the past fourteen years. There

609
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 4: were so many leaders of other organizations were either killed

610
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: or ambushed or during the in fighting they died. But

611
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: this guy was never, never attacked in the past fourteen years,

612
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 4: as if he was prepared and groomed. And it makes

613
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: sense because he started to move from this being an

614
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: emir of al Qaeda into let's reform ourselves and break

615
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: our relationship with al Qaeda during the same time when

616
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: Operation timber Scuma was over twenty seventeen. So twenty seventeen,

617
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: Operation timber Secumar is canceled by Trump and then this

618
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: guy comes and makes a statement says, oh, we will

619
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: cut our ties with al Qaeda now. We thank them.

620
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: They're great people. We love you guys. You were great

621
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: with us, you had us. But we have to make

622
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: a more a comprehensive coalition, and our jihad is only

623
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: going to be now domestic. We no longer want to

624
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: do international jihad. And during this time between twenty seventeen

625
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty four. This guy has been prepared for

626
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 4: this role. I mean, I'm not saying this. I will

627
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 4: give you an example. The former US Envoy to Syria,

628
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Speaker 4: James Jeffrey on PBS. He says, I'm courting him. He

629
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Speaker 4: says Jolani's army has been a strategic asset for the

630
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Speaker 4: US strategy in idleb And then the former US Ambassador

631
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Speaker 4: to Syria, Robert Ford, who was in Damascus when the

632
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Speaker 4: war started in twenty eleven, says, I myself trained this guy,

633
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: like we were sitting together and I we was teaching

634
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: him how to take him out of the terrorist word.

635
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know likes Shall I bring a

636
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: contract showing that Jolanni is working for outside forces? It

637
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: looks clear to me that this guy was prepared and

638
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 4: groomed for a certain role. And what is this role

639
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 4: when the regime change happens in Syria is to shift

640
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 4: the Syria's geopolitical posture from a country which was in

641
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: a camp that the United States doesn't like, into camp

642
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: that is allied with the United States. And now we

643
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 4: see that Jolanni is I mean, I haven't seen Trump

644
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: putting perfume and any other leader except for Jolannie. This guy,

645
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: this guy is seriously something you know. And for example,

646
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: yesterday Donald Trump was doing the Hanukah or this was

647
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Speaker 4: I don't know, two days ago doing the Hanukah. Even

648
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Speaker 4: he bragged about giving the Golan Heights to Israel and

649
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Speaker 4: this is siven occupied territory. And it's been two days

650
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 4: for this statement, and the Jiolani, the Jim didn't outer

651
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: a worried about it.

652
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Speaker 5: What does that tell you?

653
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Speaker 4: It tells you that if you work for the US,

654
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Speaker 4: you don't bark at the US right, like at least

655
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Speaker 4: a diplomatic statement by the Foreign Ministry saying no, this

656
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Speaker 4: is a servian territory. Those are the resolutions of the

657
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: UNS Curity Council. But he doesn't do that because his legitimacy,

658
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: so called legitimacy, is based on these consensus which happened

659
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 4: before I was thinking. As all of a sudden things

660
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 4: changed in the region. The Turks made their first move

661
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: against Assad. This was in the north, and the Israeli

662
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: Is also weighed in. They took the opportunity very well.

663
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 4: And the Americans, Donald Trump had to accept the outcome

664
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: of this conflict because it happened during the transitional time

665
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: when Biden was leaving and he was coming to power.

666
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: And then these regional powers saw the Arabia, Qatar, Turkey.

667
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 4: They had their guy Tom Barak, who is the special

668
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 4: envoy in out of Syria. Tom Barak is not representing

669
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Speaker 4: the American interests for your audience, for your expected audience.

670
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: So this guy has interests with billions of dollars in

671
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 4: these Gulf countries name it Qatars or the Arabia, UAE

672
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: and Turkey, and he is basically pursuing the policies that

673
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: these countries want to pursue in Syria. Now Israel, of

674
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: course they were happy ASA is leaving and they destroyed

675
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: the Syrian army complet delately, the strategic stock by this gun.

676
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: But Israel Sea is an opportunity in Syria. If you

677
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: are Nataiaho and you don't have a Cyvian army to

678
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: challenge you, what do I mean nothing stops you from

679
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: rolling into Syria. If Nataniaho wants now in forty eight

680
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: hours less he can occupy Damascus, So why would he stop?

681
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 4: If you if you are Nataniaho and you believe in

682
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: the Greater Israel project, why would you strike a deal

683
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: with Jolani now called the Security Agreement and stop your expansion.

684
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 4: Every day Israeli forces established new military posts inside Syria

685
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: and expand and expand and expand. Damascus is now in

686
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 4: the in the fire range of the howitzers, so Damasco's

687
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: militarily speaking, has fallen already. And and the Israelis are

688
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: trying to establish their posts in very sensitive where there

689
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: are water resources, where it's a high heel, et cetera.

690
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: And Jolanni doesn't have the means to resist against against

691
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Speaker 4: Israel because Israeli is different. Israeli army is so capable

692
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: that they would destroy the hell out of him if

693
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Speaker 4: he tries to move. But I would like to just

694
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: for an for the sake of argument. You know, in

695
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: the past ten years and fourteen years, these Jolani forces,

696
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: they have been firing these American town missiles against the

697
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: civil army tanks, the T seventy two, the T ninety one,

698
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: They have destroyed countless of them. Just one. I need

699
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: you for just one time fire against an Israeli time,

700
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Speaker 4: not even once we fired against and.

701
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Speaker 5: Is rarely tank. It's it's it's mind boggling, to be

702
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 5: honest with you.

703
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Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I don't think it's mind boggling.

704
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back to the first war

705
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, right.

706
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: You can go back to the Islamic Revolution.

707
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean we were we thought that uh what uh

708
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Komane was gonna work with us because we had a

709
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: relationship with him in the past, and that didn't work out.

710
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Speaker 5: Right.

711
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: We we worked with bin Laden and the senior leadership

712
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: of the Mouhazadeen in the war against Russia. Right, I

713
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: know personally several Green Berets that that trained uh, you know,

714
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: Muhazadeen fighters in Pakistan how to fire missiles into the

715
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: spets snots helicopters that were doing the raids.

716
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 5: Right.

717
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: I think you know we had we saw a multiple

718
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you can argue krz Eye was

719
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: propped up. You can argue the first few prime ministers

720
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: of Iraq were just puppets, you can. You know, And

721
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: and you asked the question, can we, you know, turn

722
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: an enemy into an asset?

723
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: We do it all day, every day all around the world.

724
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: I think that that's so, it's such a given.

725
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: And I also think, you know the confluence of the

726
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: Arab spring being funded mostly by us AID and all

727
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: of their NGOs and media networks around, you know, as

728
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: a distraction away and as well as you know what

729
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: happened in Libya, which was this illegal arm sale that

730
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: took place, and then those weapons were then flipped to

731
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: who Jelani and his crew going into Syria, right, and

732
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: so I you know, no, I mean, this is kind

733
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: of our foreign policy for the last thirty years.

734
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Speaker 5: Yes, but it won't work in Syria.

735
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Speaker 4: It won't work with the Jolani people because absolutely not.

736
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: Even let's suppose Jolanni is an asset and he's collaborating

737
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: with doun ass But the people who fought for him.

738
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: They believed, they believed in the cause.

739
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to fight fourteen years just for money. There

740
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: are mesonerbes, but there are people who were committed and dedicated.

741
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: They were daily in guarding, fighting, dying. And now that

742
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: you come to Damascos and say, oh, we're done here,

743
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: we're not marching to Jerusalem, although it's like just a

744
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: few months before the attack or concurring Syria, he said

745
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: after Damascos, we were going in Charlota to Jerusalem. So

746
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: the people who fought for him, asking, I mean it

747
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: makes for them, at least the transition has to be slower.

748
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: It's so blatant and so fast that all of a sudden,

749
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: our leader, which we said America is the greater Satan,

750
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: and now he's wearing a Trump perfume. It makes no

751
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: sense for them. That's why I argued, and I said,

752
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: there are people in the Jiolani army they are unhappy

753
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: with him, and these people could have been possibly involved

754
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 4: in the killing of two American soldiers in Central Cyre

755
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: and Palmida alongside the translator. And this is something you

756
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: notice when you follow the pro Jolani media outfits and

757
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 4: the amount of confusion and they're embarrassed by the incident

758
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: itself and how are they going to cover up the.

759
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 5: Attack? And you see the spokesperson.

760
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: Of Ministries of Jolani basically making conflicting reports, contradicting reports

761
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: and makes no sense, and then tried to blame it

762
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: on someone who was in the Jolani security forces, but

763
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: not the guy who did it. Because if they say

764
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: this is the guy, they tell the truth, then this

765
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: guy is literally sitting behind Jolani. And we have now

766
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: overwhelming evidence in Syria that the guy who carried out

767
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 4: the attack was close associated to Jolani. He was sitting

768
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 4: behind him and when the attack happened, they tried to

769
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: cover up his identity. They didn't want to tell the

770
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: people who carried out the attack. And if you know

771
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 4: the region, this region in Palmyra, yes it is desert,

772
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: but this compound is so fortified. It is so protected

773
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: that no loan ices cell could come and crawl like

774
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: this all the way from their isis pockets in the

775
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: desert and come by himself, unseen, undetected and comes so

776
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: close to the years soldiers to open fire on them.

777
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: It makes no sense.

778
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: This person was present there when the attack happened, and

779
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: then they tried to cover up and say, oh this

780
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: was someone he So the spokesperson of the Jolani Interior

781
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: Ministry says that they have noticed some radical views on

782
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 4: the guy that they want to blame. And he said

783
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: we wanted we were going to fire him from the

784
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: security forces on Sunday. But he says supan allah, which

785
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 4: means like God's will, he carried out attack on Saturday.

786
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the sorry. But they are mocking us,

787
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: you know, they think we're idiots. This is not a

788
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 4: story you could sell maybe to the people who believe

789
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 4: in Jolanni, but not for serious people who following such

790
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: security cases.

791
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: It's staggering.

792
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: It's absolutely staggering, and it and obviously there's a much

793
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: greater uh plan.

794
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: Uh he's a puppet.

795
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: They believe, like they always do, that these uh you know,

796
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: low level guys that they they influence or support or

797
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: bring up through the ranks, that there's gonna be this

798
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: allegiance and which is is absolutely uh you know, Asinine,

799
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: all you got to do is look at bin Laden

800
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: as the premiere example of that whole thing, right, He essentially,

801
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, he used us to fight the Russians and

802
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: then he flipped and he's like, now I'm gonna fight

803
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: you guys because you're any you know, the letter he

804
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: wrote lays it all out.

805
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: It's the reality.

806
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: It's and it's and it's what's staggering to me is

807
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: and the reason the kind of the catalyst moment for

808
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: me where I began to understand the absurdity.

809
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 2: All of all this was when uh.

810
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: Uh petray Us interviewed Jilani and was like, you know,

811
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: how's your mental health? And I'm here as a GWAT

812
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: guy who this guy's bombs most certainly blew up teammates

813
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: or friends of mine in Iraq. And I'm watching a

814
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: guy I actually he was the head of the CIA

815
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: when I was at the CIA. We actually he came

816
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: for a visit when I was in Islamabad in Pakistan

817
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: at twenty eleven. And here's a guy that's supposed to

818
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: have the backs of all those that suffered from this

819
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: radical contingency of Islam, and now we're supporting him. We've

820
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: opened up restrictions, We're going to give him financing, We're

821
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: going to help him rehabilitate, probably give him weapons and

822
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: all for what what is the deal? And so I

823
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: think you know what people need to understand is there's

824
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: a restructuring of the Middle Eastern hierarchy taking place right now.

825
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: And it's it's you know what I always what, I

826
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: always pay attention. I pay attention to Aragon. I think

827
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: for sure he's he's playing an active role in this.

828
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: And then I try and pay attention to uh Egypt

829
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: and Jordan. Could you give your assessment of those three

830
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: countries and their leaders and how they're reacting to Gilani

831
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: and serious Rise.

832
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 4: I had to mention also Petrius when I mentioned Jims

833
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: Schiffey and Robert Ford when they spoke about Joelannia as

834
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: being an asset for the strategy.

835
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: Because this is so telling.

836
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 4: When Petroyus said literally, your success is our success.

837
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: I mean, like, what what does that even tell you

838
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 5: you know about this issue?

839
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Speaker 4: I think Turkey is the most influential and the power

840
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: which gained the most from this regime change. And ha

841
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 4: can't be done with the current Foreign Minister of Turkey.

842
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 4: He was the head of the Turkish intelligence and he

843
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: was basically the sugar daddy of Jolani, was the guy

844
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 4: who was preparing and arming and training and guiding an

845
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: intel for the Jolani Army from Idelet to Aleppo. This

846
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 4: was a pure Turkish operation at the beginning when it

847
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: happened in Aleppo. So Turkey has invested a lot, and

848
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 4: Turkey under Erdogun they believe that they are the successor

849
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 4: of the Ottoman Empire, and they believe that they have

850
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: to establish a kind of a commonwealth system which absorbs

851
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: other regions in the Islamic world into Turkey, and one

852
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: of which is Aleppo and the second is Mussul in Iraq.

853
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 4: For example, nowadays in Aleppo. If you travel to Aleppo

854
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: and I have people traveling and coming back to Aleppo,

855
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 4: the airport of Aleppo is managed by the Turks. The

856
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: security of ali Po is managed by the Turks. The

857
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: borders with Turkey are managed by the Turks. The passport,

858
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 4: if you want to issue passport, an ID, driving license,

859
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: they are all printed in Turkey. So Turkey has now

860
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: complete data of millions of Syrians because they're going to

861
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 4: need their national idea because now we have a new regime,

862
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: they're driving license their passport. So Turkey is basically preparing

863
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 4: the demographics and the data of the demographics to absorb

864
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 4: some part of them into the Turkish Empire. Now, during

865
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: this time, the most the country which is alarmed the

866
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: most are two Israel and Egypt. Israel wants to see

867
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: Jolani in certain regions to keep these jihadis under control,

868
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: but not over the regions like Sweda, like in Latakia,

869
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: tatoos Jeble or in the Eastern Shova, the Euphrates. Israel

870
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: prefers the Balkanization of Syria or at least give some

871
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: autonomous status of this. So they have established the conflicting zone,

872
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: and that is the Central Syria and the Russians are

873
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 4: playing some sort of role in keeping these two powers,

874
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: like a buffer zone between these two powers. But if

875
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 4: there is a country which has to be terrified by

876
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: what is happening in Syria, is Egypt.

877
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: Egypt should be terrified.

878
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: Egypt is probably the last republic in its classical sense

879
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 4: in the region with a strong national army, and I

880
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: believe that if the plan is to Islamize the region

881
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: or bring upon a new Cycuspico type of reordering the

882
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 4: maps of the region, then Egypt will be definitely targeted

883
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: because it is their last country with the capable national

884
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: army which is able to secure its borders. Egypt doesn't

885
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 4: want conflict with Israel, doesn't want conflict with anyone in

886
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: the region. But what they care about is to be

887
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: able to keep their country in the hands of the

888
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: military and not in the hands of the Muslim body

889
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: like it happened under Musi the past. And if Jolanni

890
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 4: is successful and this formula is successful, this will encourage

891
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: a lot of the.

892
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 5: Oppositionists in Egypt to rise against CC.

893
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: And unfortunately this type of autocrats, like CC, the political autocrabrats,

894
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: are so outdated, so out of touch with reality, that

895
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: they allow for the outside forces to wage these psychological

896
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 4: operations against the people successfully, and then they act.

897
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 5: Surprised like Egypt is broke.

898
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 4: They receiving four and aid under depth from the IMF,

899
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 4: the World Bank and everything. The inflation is high, people

900
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: are job less, so of course there are certain sentiments

901
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: against the political system there, so they will capitalize on

902
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 4: it and try to destabilize it. Therefore, turn on your

903
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: Egyptian TV channels. Twenty four to seven news outlets are

904
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 4: talking shit about Jolanni. Unlike all other Arab countries, only

905
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 4: Egypt is so alarmed and still calling him Jolanni. They're

906
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: attacking him day and night and say that this guy

907
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: is a terrorist. We have to be careful. He's encouraging

908
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: the Muslim bother, et cetera. So it seems that the

909
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 4: intel services in Egypt are aware, But are they capable

910
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: of aborting such a scenario in their own country. I

911
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: hope so, I mean just as a person, but I

912
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 4: think it's too rotten to the core these type of

913
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: systems that foreign powers are able to destabilize these countries

914
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: from within, especially when the economic situation goes like out

915
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: of the cliff. You know, the people are just need

916
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: some opportunities for personal hope. You know, people lost hope

917
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 4: in the region. That's the problem. Now in Syria. They

918
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: will invest a lot, they will bring billions of dollars,

919
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 4: foreign investors, et cetera. But this is not going to

920
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 4: bring prosperity for the people. This will be cycled the

921
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 4: money into the packets of the investors, something that civils

922
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 4: do not know that these cooperations will in themselves. They

923
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 4: will give you enough to survive, but the most of

924
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 4: the money will not be in their hands. Like the

925
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 4: WF said, you will own nothing. And I think in

926
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: this case, you will not own your country and you

927
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: will be happy. This is what the Stevans are celebrating for.

928
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: So when I see them celebrating, I'm like, they're celebrating

929
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 4: they're own de mice, but they don't know it yet.

930
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you.

931
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I I just think you can't have somebody that's this

932
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: integrated into that ideology just you know, give it up

933
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: and move into this you know, political process or gamesmanship.

934
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: You can't because how's he supposed to keep his base,

935
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: which are essentially Islamists, right, how you're supposed to keep

936
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 1: them in check, under control. You know, is it going

937
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: out in Pilfer and you know the smaller border cities

938
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: or towns in Iraq? Is it, you know, messing with

939
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: the Kurds, you know, whatever they have to continue doing.

940
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's inevitably it's going to get

941
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: out of his control. One last question before we end,

942
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: is you know President Trump classified certain groups of the

943
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood as terrorists, as terrorist organizations.

944
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: Did you find that in your opinion? What kind of

945
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: play was that?

946
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: What was he trying to do both the Egypt and

947
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: then also their influence in the region.

948
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 4: Personally, I don't know a lot about the details of

949
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 4: the decision and why, but I could share my opinion

950
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 4: about the Muslim Brotherhood itself. I have done extensive research

951
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 4: about the Muslim Brotherhood from the mid nineteen twenties, how

952
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: they started, and how they created a natural fall for

953
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 4: the nationalists and the socialists back then who were resisting

954
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 4: the British mandate basically over Egypt. I think from the

955
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 4: recent history of the Muslim Brotherhood it is quite clear

956
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: that they are the smartest among the Islamist group in

957
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 4: the region who they are so good in what is

958
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 4: called takeya in the Islamic terminologies is something that you

959
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: are allowed to lie if it serves the end goal

960
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: of the Islamic Caliphate.

961
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 5: So what they do, basically, they are the NGO.

962
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 4: They are the self power in the hands of the

963
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: people who want to establish the Islamic Caliphate. What they

964
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 4: try to do is basically through charities and through public

965
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 4: relations and supporting politicians, journalists, angels, et cetera, to gain

966
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: leverage and influence in Western countries, and they play identity

967
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 4: politics so well. They integrate themselves or embed themselves with

968
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: liberal parties in order to have more political clout in

969
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 4: the country. And you can see clearly that these people

970
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: are mostly embedded with liberal left wing what they call left.

971
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 4: They are not even left wing parties, right, I come

972
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 4: from a left wing family. When I moved to west

973
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: to the west, that's like, what is this left about?

974
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 4: You know this is completely retarded. Sorry, but the Muslim bothered.

975
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 4: I think they are a serious challenge to any society

976
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: if they want to keep the nature and the character

977
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 4: of that society, because their intention is not to integrate

978
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: inside this society, but rather to create parallel societies and

979
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: cantons and create their own mini states. You know, you

980
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 4: don't have to officially have a state, but you have

981
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: an entire neighborhood basically is inhabited by their people and

982
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 4: their rules and regulations and laws, the social norms, et

983
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: cetera are adopted there. So, in my opinion, when I

984
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: spoke about this when I came to Germany in twenty fifteen,

985
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: I really saw it with my objective eye. How they come,

986
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: for example, to a refuge camp where I was, and

987
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 4: they say, if you come to the prayer on Friday,

988
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: which is a Turkish mosque funded by Erdogan's government, then

989
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: we will give you a fai lama June. The lamagourn

990
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: is food, and like first nobody wanted to go, and

991
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 4: then they started offering free food and free clothings. And

992
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: for example, the Turkish people who come, they say, we

993
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 4: have seven refugees. If you have spare clothes, you can

994
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: give it to them. And then all of a sudden,

995
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 4: nobody goes to that mosque, and then you have.

996
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 5: One hundred people two hundred people going there.

997
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: So I think that's the way of using religion and

998
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: this charity, which is a you do good thing to

999
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 4: people in order to capitalize on that good and the

1000
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 4: need of the people to gain votes, to gain leverage.

1001
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: It's all about power games for them, it's about politics.

1002
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 4: So I have no doubt that they will definitely create

1003
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 4: a poisonous political environment in the Western countries.

1004
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 5: And when I spoke.

1005
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: About it, it's really strange, you know, Like I live

1006
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: in the West, and the German mainstream media they attack me.

1007
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 5: They don't attack them.

1008
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: They come after me and they say I am hating

1009
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 4: on Muslims, and I have not. Even now we have

1010
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 4: been talking over one hour, not even once I call

1011
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 4: out or attack religions or people Muslims.

1012
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 5: As a group.

1013
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 4: I talk about ideologists, I talk about the founders and

1014
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: some of the malicious people within these communities on what

1015
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 4: they're trying to do. Because I also believe that many

1016
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 4: Muslims are victims of these organizations. They truly think that

1017
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 4: these organizations have they have a good will and the

1018
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: best interests of the people at heart. But that's not

1019
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 4: the case because the Muslim bothered is funded by Qatar,

1020
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 4: by Turkey, by other powers who have an invested interest.

1021
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 4: They have interests in these countries. Why would they spend

1022
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 4: over universities, give scholarships, pay a hell of money to

1023
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: people for an article you publish in a Muslim border

1024
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: with affiliated outlet like I can give you examples, my friend,

1025
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if you have time, but if you

1026
01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: work for a Jeseira, you know Jesea pays a lot

1027
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 4: of money for its journalists, whether you are a Muslim

1028
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 4: Bodhood or not. But at the end of the day,

1029
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: the editorial line on the policy of this channel, it

1030
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 4: serves the global Muslim Bordyhood movement. Right, so you have

1031
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 4: Al Jazea with hundreds of millions of dollars of budget,

1032
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: basically buying an entire intellectual class in the Arabic world.

1033
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 4: Left wing socialist communists writing for Al Jazeva. Imagine I,

1034
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: a left wing person would collaborate and cooperate with Al

1035
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: Jazeva in order to make money. And that's how they

1036
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 4: hijacked the entire intellectual class in the Middle East, and

1037
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 4: they have made them pro KATAVII funded so called Arab

1038
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: spring in the region. That's very striking because in twenty thirteen,

1039
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: when I wanted to publish in Al Jazeva, back then

1040
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 4: I was an ignorant. They asked me to write an article,

1041
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 4: and when I wrote, they didn't publish it. They said, no,

1042
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 4: it doesn't go in line with our editorial line, et cetera.

1043
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 5: And then they attacked me again they meet you know,

1044
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 5: I know.

1045
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 4: Every channel has an policy, but making up entire false

1046
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 4: claims about someone is criminal in my opinion, and especially

1047
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: when you do it with malicious intention to turn the

1048
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 4: radical people against me in order for them to kill

1049
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 4: me eventually, right, so they portray you as an evil

1050
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: and Aljezeva has done it with me in the past

1051
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 4: because I made a series of videos about the Muslim

1052
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 4: Brotherhood five parts on my YouTube channel, and two weeks

1053
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 4: later I saw myself in a documentary and al Jeva

1054
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 4: trying to they portray me as a as a demon,

1055
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: you know, and then they want to pay me four

1056
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: thousand dollars to come to al Jezeva in Turkey to

1057
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 4: defend myself. It's like, that's why I say they have

1058
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 4: lots of money. Unfortunately, the biggest, the biggest unfortunate misfortune

1059
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 4: in the Arab world is the location of all these

1060
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: enormous wealth in the hands of these tribesmen in Qatar,

1061
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 4: and so all the Arabia and elsewhere. If this money

1062
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 4: was spent wisely over infrastructure, universities, schools, instead of spending

1063
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 4: over Jolani and Baghdadi, we would have had a brilliant

1064
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 4: and and and progressed region. Unfortunately, it's so misfortune to

1065
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: see all these tens of billions of dollars in the

1066
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: hands of people willing to radicalize the people instead of

1067
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 4: bringing some relief to the people. So I blame them

1068
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 4: also for the destruction of my country.

1069
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: Well, Cavork, that was brilliantly stated.

1070
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: I think you know what we're looking at and is

1071
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: a radical shift in the way the Middle East is,

1072
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: power structure is and I think Jilani is playing a

1073
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: major role. I don't know if he's actually in control,

1074
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: but his presence, his government, what that's going to look like,

1075
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: where it's funding his alliances. I think it's gonna it's

1076
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: gonna really shift the region around quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: I'll be interesting to see where can people follow you,

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Speaker 2: where they can they find you? And what do you have?

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Speaker 2: What are you working on now?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing daily livestreams between Monday to Friday on my

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Speaker 4: YouTube channel and also on Bumble Sia Analysis. I started

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Speaker 4: just covering Syria at the beginning, but now I cover

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Speaker 4: border Middle East. We covered also Ukraine and Russia and

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Speaker 4: China and the you know, unipolar world, multipolar world, which

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Speaker 4: I believe people should look very carefully what's happening around

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Speaker 4: the world because it affects us all. So we try

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Speaker 4: to give different perspectives to the people hosting different people,

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Speaker 4: sometimes myself and sometimes with other guests.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, well, sir, I'm looking forward in the future to

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Speaker 1: having you back on. I'd love to have you on

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Speaker 1: in the future to talk about the Amorinian genocide, if

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Speaker 1: you'd be willing to come on and talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a piece that Americans really need to understand.

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Speaker 1: I also believe there's an assault on Christianity all over

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Speaker 1: the world, and maybe we can get into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: But it's been such an honor having you on.

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Speaker 1: Your analysis is incredibly articulate and very well thought out,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel grateful that you were willing to

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Speaker 1: share with my audience.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, David.

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Speaker 4: It's a really pleasure and an honor for me to

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Speaker 4: be on your show, and hopefully also in the future

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Speaker 4: I would be in the United States and we could

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Speaker 4: have a personal conversation for your respected audience to know

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Speaker 4: some people are really surprised, sometimes get surprised. My childhood

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Speaker 4: was mostly on American pop culture, hip hop, Hollywood movies,

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Speaker 4: so I know a lot about the US. I would

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Speaker 4: love to come and experience it. I hope my name

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Speaker 4: would not be blacklisted, but I would try.

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Speaker 1: If you get over, I'd love to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show and take you in and show you some

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Speaker 1: South Florida sites.

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Speaker 2: It'd be wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It would be great, all right, God bless you. COVORDA, Yes,

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Speaker 5: thank you,