Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Uh. I am recording
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Speaker 1: we talked about John rom talk about Rory McIlroy. We
Speaker 1: talked about Lydia co At that twenty five, she is
Speaker 1: already a Hall of Famer. It's crazy that she's feel
Speaker 1: like she's thirty one. She's been a part of our lives,
Speaker 1: for our golf lives forever. She started so young. Um.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Adams fencing and his
Speaker 1: journey and the connection that he has to the Big
Speaker 1: Money Classic. We talked about Ram's complaints about the o
Speaker 1: W g R and are they legitimate are they not,
Speaker 1: and what that means in the world of golf. We
Speaker 1: talk a little wishbone brawl. We talk persimmons in there
Speaker 1: um but as always spirited conversation, some disagreements, some not
Speaker 1: without further ado. Here's Michael Allen and I talking golf.
Speaker 1: I got dot, He can't get Johan nothinging what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about, can't get the thing what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1: All right, boys, Well, it was a huge week in golf.
Speaker 1: There was sort of some season ending intrigue in both
Speaker 1: Europe and on the LPGA Tour. Uh Europe of course
Speaker 1: being a a a loose term because they actually were
Speaker 1: in Dubai. But there the European Tour, it's not even
Speaker 1: the European Tour anymore, it's the dp World Tour. But
Speaker 1: they have their season finale. John Rahm held off a
Speaker 1: really stellar field. Roy McRoy one the race to Dubai.
Speaker 1: Although it should be noted that when a single event
Speaker 1: on the European Tour this year, you know, but they
Speaker 1: count the majors, and they count other events that allowed
Speaker 1: Roy's excellence to get him to the top of the
Speaker 1: the race to Dubai standings. But uh, let's let's just
Speaker 1: start there. I mean it's been the European Tour has
Speaker 1: been battled kind of all year. Um, it's in this
Speaker 1: this funky place because of the battle between Live and
Speaker 1: and the PGA Tour and Asian tours rising. And I
Speaker 1: think Europe's going through little identity crisis that lost all
Speaker 1: these uh, all of its elder statesmen in the Poulters
Speaker 1: and Westwoods and Garcia's and Kaimer's and Stenson's. You know,
Speaker 1: an entire generation of stars just vanished and left a
Speaker 1: little bit of a void there. So Uh, to have
Speaker 1: such a good finished with so many top players, what
Speaker 1: did that mean for for this embattled tour? Well, they
Speaker 1: need it. Uh, you know just like when uh, when
Speaker 1: Live was just starting up and Rory went to Canada
Speaker 1: and they had a great event. Uh, everything seems to
Speaker 1: count now, to use one of your words, Alan, everything
Speaker 1: is fraught. Everything has more meaning than otherwise would would. Uh.
Speaker 1: So it's significant to see top players playing and uh
Speaker 1: it's significant sort of I guess to see Rory McElroy
Speaker 1: winning this thing. It means nothing to me, and I
Speaker 1: can't imagine it really does to most ordinary golf fans,
Speaker 1: But on the global stage of golf politics, it seems
Speaker 1: to mean a lot. Yeah think um, I mean, it
Speaker 1: just seems to me. Obviously, I'm locked in more on
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour because of just what it means to
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I follow. But it seems
Speaker 1: like the Asian Tour has a lot of momentum um
Speaker 1: and the Overtree won last week, you know, last week.
Speaker 1: It just seems to be there's a lot of momentum
Speaker 1: they need Rory and John. I mean, the European more
Speaker 1: than any other tour meets the momentum. It seems like
Speaker 1: they've kind of got lost in all of this. And
Speaker 1: and like you said, down, I think their identity is.
Speaker 1: They just seem to be in big, big trouble to me.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I don't even know what the race
Speaker 1: of Dubai means. I don't know how the hell you
Speaker 1: won without winning an event. Uh, it's then like Wills
Speaker 1: Alatorious or Patrick read win it one year or something
Speaker 1: by not even playing a European Tour. Event. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think it's good for the European Tour. If
Speaker 1: Rory and John lam are mentioned anytime with it associated
Speaker 1: with it, uh, they needed no story. Will's Alturas finished
Speaker 1: seventh this year, and you only he only played one,
Speaker 1: you know, normal European Tour event and missed the cut.
Speaker 1: So it just tells you how heavily weighted it is
Speaker 1: to the majors. And again, it's just that you're right.
Speaker 1: I don't think that, um, that Rory has deep feelings
Speaker 1: for this, but it's just another The fact that he
Speaker 1: wanted is another testament to what a fine season he
Speaker 1: had and his excellence from from start to finish. Just
Speaker 1: the fact that we're sort of manufacturing and discussion about
Speaker 1: something we don't really care about is proof of the
Speaker 1: fact that people, whether it's Graham McDowell or David Slover,
Speaker 1: various you know, people on all sorts of different views
Speaker 1: of this thing, do think the PGA Tour season of
Speaker 1: the professional golf season is too long, too monotonous, and
Speaker 1: even if you go overseason, all the rest too many
Speaker 1: seventy two whole events without enough meaning to teach individual event.
Speaker 1: So um, that might be the biggest lesson of this thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, even when you have John Roman, Roy mclroy
Speaker 1: uh playing in a tournament, it's mid November and people
Speaker 1: are not really thinking about golf. It's true. It's it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of like why are we here? Who
Speaker 1: am I? Uh? You know, the old Stockdale line. I
Speaker 1: mean it's um, but they did show up, they did
Speaker 1: play golf. I mean, for you know, John Rom, it
Speaker 1: clearly meant something to him. He was, like people have said,
Speaker 1: had a bad year, this is my third win on
Speaker 1: three continents. Like he was kind of beating his chest
Speaker 1: and I sort of like that because a a indignant
Speaker 1: and motivated John Rom. Could you know, I think a
Speaker 1: year ago you just said he's the best player in
Speaker 1: the world. I think clearly he's probably been surpassed by
Speaker 1: Marc Roy and Cam Smith in the short term. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, to see that it meant something to Rom
Speaker 1: was cool and I agree. And he does run not
Speaker 1: in his comments about the world golf rankings being a
Speaker 1: joke and how they what what do you think of that? Run? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Asian Tour guys and he but even
Speaker 1: before Andy uh, Travis Smith, Uh, you know, Barry Henson. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of the live guys that are playing over
Speaker 1: on the Asian Tour have been beating this trub for
Speaker 1: a long time, and I think it's very significant that
Speaker 1: a European tour, a lot of those guys are getting
Speaker 1: there like oh you're mad because I live and you know,
Speaker 1: getting poop food or like discounted because of that. I
Speaker 1: think John saying John rom saying something about the the
Speaker 1: l w g R is is significant. Um, you know, listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know someone's gonna say it's because of the
Speaker 1: bottom half of the field, but it just seems to
Speaker 1: me at a field with John, Robin Roy, Michael Roy
Speaker 1: at the top having little less points than R s
Speaker 1: M this week just seems backwards to me. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. I'm not trying to pretend that I know
Speaker 1: anything about w g R or the formula that I
Speaker 1: goes into. I just think that that seems backwards to me. Alan,
Speaker 1: what's the fix to the world ranking problem? So you know,
Speaker 1: we touched on this a little bit in in the
Speaker 1: Ogletree podcast, and um, I've been I've been looking deeper
Speaker 1: into it and thinking about it more and talking to
Speaker 1: more people. I mean, the folks who Live Golf and
Speaker 1: Asian Tour feel like that all this stuff was was
Speaker 1: aimed at them. I mean, the reality is that the
Speaker 1: changes to the to the O w JR were set
Speaker 1: in motion in two thousand twenty one. Now, Live Golf
Speaker 1: was a rumor and it was we kind of knew
Speaker 1: was coming, but it wasn't a thing just yet. And
Speaker 1: so the basic philosophy that that the World Ranking took
Speaker 1: was that it's significant how many players you have to
Speaker 1: beat in the field. I mean, you look at the
Speaker 1: PGA tour um and you look at this leaderboard. There's
Speaker 1: a lot at Sea Island. There's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: you don't think about week to weekend, and yet they
Speaker 1: were there. And so if you have a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: six players, you have to beat a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five of them. And even though there's not it's not
Speaker 1: a top heavy field, there's still a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred and the top two hundred.
Speaker 1: Do buy that was only I think fifty five players
Speaker 1: fifty four players, So automatically there's a hundred less guys
Speaker 1: you have to beat. Now they had they had more stars,
Speaker 1: but the World Ranking is just taking the position that
Speaker 1: it's harder to beat a big field than a small field,
Speaker 1: no matter who you are or where you are. And
Speaker 1: they do counterbalance it based on, uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys that if you have top players, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: more points. But there's there's a real bias towards full
Speaker 1: field events. That's just their position, and so that obviously
Speaker 1: hurts live. It hurt that, it hurt the event and Dubai,
Speaker 1: I mean hurt the Torch Championship for that matter, even
Speaker 1: though they had so many top players. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a defensible position there. You know, this is Ryan's
Speaker 1: bills sool career on this fact that there are ten
Speaker 1: thousand or twenty thousand or thirty thousand guys who are
Speaker 1: potential PGA Tour winners roaming the planet. They just need
Speaker 1: the opportunity and so that that that is really what
Speaker 1: the change in the world rankings is all about. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a defensible position, but it does create
Speaker 1: these wonky weeks where have a cluster of top players
Speaker 1: in Dubui. You don't have the star power. It's Sea Island.
Speaker 1: But I think we could all probably agree to the
Speaker 1: Sea Island field in a lot of ways is deeper.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's a it's interesting debate, and
Speaker 1: we know how the world ranking has chosen, um, where
Speaker 1: to assign points. You're free to disagree, but that's just
Speaker 1: what the formula is. What's you're feeling about fifty four
Speaker 1: whole events uh being included or should they not be included? Viewer?
Speaker 1: Those are the whole thing? What would your vote be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Senior Tour and the LPJ has long
Speaker 1: had fifty four whole events where they crown champions and
Speaker 1: no one was too upset about it. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy two holes is the gold standard. I think we
Speaker 1: can all agree the more holes you play, the more
Speaker 1: likely or identified the best player. I mean, if if
Speaker 1: if every tournament and then the two thousands was ninety
Speaker 1: holes or hundred eight holes, tiger Woods would never been beaten.
Speaker 1: But you know, the more holes you play, the harder
Speaker 1: is to win. And so yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: there's merit to the fact that fifty four is slightly
Speaker 1: lesser competent titian and seventy two. But it's been established
Speaker 1: on various tours that you can you know, the mina tour,
Speaker 1: you dam it, Like there's been many tours that played
Speaker 1: fifty four holes. Like, It's just it's still a golf tournament.
Speaker 1: You know when you start, what what you're signing up for,
Speaker 1: and on that last round it's a shootout and you're
Speaker 1: trying to win the tournament. So I would absolutely give
Speaker 1: fifty four whole events points. I think you could. You can,
Speaker 1: you can multiply by point seven five or something to
Speaker 1: penalize them for playing fewer holes. But Uh, to me,
Speaker 1: it's it's a tournament. Everyone knows the rules of engagement
Speaker 1: and if you win it, you win it. Can I
Speaker 1: pose the same questions to Ryan, Ryan, what's your billing
Speaker 1: about the what would you do it if if you
Speaker 1: were the czar? What would you do to fix the
Speaker 1: world rankings? And what's your feeling about fifty or four
Speaker 1: versus seventy two? Yeah, I mean I just don't know
Speaker 1: enough about it. Michael, I mean, like the the whole
Speaker 1: calculation and all that. But I mean Alan brings up
Speaker 1: a great point. I mean, but the top of the
Speaker 1: leader board. Among the players that were on top of
Speaker 1: the leader board this week, Sea Island, Calm Tar and
Speaker 1: Adams Fencer, who won. You know, those are guys that
Speaker 1: are far down the list, but on a given week
Speaker 1: they can play. So I agree that field is deeper probably, Um,
Speaker 1: I think on a much bigger scale. Uh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with fifty four holes now, I'm not firing a
Speaker 1: fifty four holes in a no cut event. That's that's
Speaker 1: where I struggled with. If the Sea Island was fifty
Speaker 1: four holes this week, would anyone really care? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Um, I don't know that. I just I
Speaker 1: think it's I just if you had ten events a
Speaker 1: year on the PGA Tour that we're fifty four holes
Speaker 1: and they were all like, uh, you know, opposite field
Speaker 1: or lower, would anyone care? No one would care? Uh.
Speaker 1: I think the people me included have a problem with
Speaker 1: fifty four holes, no cut, guaranteed money up front. Uh.
Speaker 1: If it was fifty four holes and there was a
Speaker 1: forty eight player field and twenty four got paid, I
Speaker 1: might find it interesting from a obviously I'm on my snority,
Speaker 1: but it's just not interesting to watch the rich get
Speaker 1: richard for me. Uh. So it's not really about fifty
Speaker 1: four holds to be, it's just about the format of
Speaker 1: no cuts whatever. If it was seventy two hols, it was.
Speaker 1: If they change the seventy two hols still come morning
Speaker 1: to me. But now I'm flat out stealing this from
Speaker 1: my close personal friend Davis sem loved the third, get
Speaker 1: rid of the whole thing altogether. Who needs a world ranking?
Speaker 1: Some people know that, some people don't. The world ranking
Speaker 1: was dreamed up by i MG as a way to
Speaker 1: promote its players. It's not like you, Bobby Jones and
Speaker 1: and Gene Sarah's and came up with this sitting around
Speaker 1: at the table at Augustina National. It has no great history.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a promotional tool that Mark McCormick,
Speaker 1: you know, scribbled down the back of a Napkins somewhere,
Speaker 1: and it has over time taken on greater significance because
Speaker 1: it's used to It's it's the gatekeeper. It's the yardstick
Speaker 1: for getting into the majors and and these other things.
Speaker 1: But um, you don't need world rankings to determine who
Speaker 1: gets into the major championships. You can go off the
Speaker 1: previous year's leaderboard. You can you could give you can
Speaker 1: see the top ten on the Live Money list, you
Speaker 1: could say the top fifteen and Asia like there's a
Speaker 1: million ways you can. You can get the best players together.
Speaker 1: You don't need the world ranking, and that that's the
Speaker 1: precarious position of the world rankings in they could make
Speaker 1: themselves obsolete. And it's already training that direction. If you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have Cam Smith or Dustin Johnson in your
Speaker 1: top twenty or top fifty, it becomes meaningless. So um,
Speaker 1: the world ranking is in the last ten years has
Speaker 1: become very important, but before that it was just kind
Speaker 1: of a talking point that no one paid that much
Speaker 1: attention to. Here's what I will say about Rom's comment,
Speaker 1: and it goes back to a much bigger thing is
Speaker 1: Live has given golfers folk card brunch to say whatever
Speaker 1: they want, whatever they now. Rama is like somewhat outspoken
Speaker 1: at times, and Rory has been. But it reminded me
Speaker 1: of so I posted the Sea Island field played short, okay,
Speaker 1: unheard of on the state side PG to or event
Speaker 1: no uh no alternates on site someone two people that
Speaker 1: drew in the morning. Davis loved the third being one
Speaker 1: of them, but I assumed he had told the first
Speaker 1: alternate that he like was probably going to test his
Speaker 1: risk and if it didn't feel well, withdraw, so he
Speaker 1: already knew. And then someone else withdrew with a bad
Speaker 1: back and there was no alternate on site. Unheard of,
Speaker 1: unheard of that a PGA Tour event played short and
Speaker 1: Leslie Bryant under my tweet and he was the fourth
Speaker 1: alternate and obviously if he was outside of when he
Speaker 1: got in he said, his tweet was and I paraphrase Wesley,
Speaker 1: so I apologize. It was like I gotta call. I
Speaker 1: lived twelve hours away and I gotta call thirty five
Speaker 1: minutes before the teatime. No communication from the time I
Speaker 1: was fourth alternate until the time I was first alternate. Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess the PGA Tour just doesn't care about conditional
Speaker 1: guys like me. They would have never said that. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, pre lived people are just firing from the
Speaker 1: hip and it is awesome. It is great. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with all that. Ryan. I mean, it's this,
Speaker 1: We've seen this throughout American life. You know, civility has
Speaker 1: gone by the wayside, and now now people are are
Speaker 1: are you know, they're just taking shots, which in our business,
Speaker 1: that's that's it's as I've said many times, it's a
Speaker 1: gift from the content gods. But you know, even Rom's
Speaker 1: comments were a little shortsighted because part of the the
Speaker 1: overhaul of the world rankings this most recent iteration was
Speaker 1: in the past different tours were guaranteed a floor on
Speaker 1: no matter what, they'd getting a certain number of points
Speaker 1: per event, and even if nobody showed up, you would
Speaker 1: still get you know, I think on Europe it was
Speaker 1: twenty four points for for the tournament and they did
Speaker 1: away with that. And so Europe especially had had had
Speaker 1: used that minimum threshold many times in recent years. That
Speaker 1: so they're they're players were getting artifici propped up in
Speaker 1: the rankings, whereas you know, the field might have only
Speaker 1: been worth eleven or thirteen or seventeen points, they were
Speaker 1: still getting twenty four. And so the European guys are
Speaker 1: are they've hit They've been hit hard by this as well.
Speaker 1: And that's part of Rom's blowback, is like that they're
Speaker 1: feeling discriminated against. But really it was probably a necessary
Speaker 1: tweak to say, we can't, we can't just artificially give
Speaker 1: you points you haven't earned. And so you know, Rom's
Speaker 1: kind of sticking up for his home tour and his
Speaker 1: own continent and all that, but his his comments were
Speaker 1: not totally grounded in reality or the truth. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, people popping off as great fun, but sometimes
Speaker 1: when you when you dig a little deeper, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well informed they really are. There
Speaker 1: was a there was a beautiful simplicity two the money List,
Speaker 1: just the money List, and if you wanted to win
Speaker 1: the money List, you can either play more or play
Speaker 1: better when you did play. And I remember having this
Speaker 1: conversation on Davis when they made the move from the
Speaker 1: money List to FedEx points and I never really gravitated
Speaker 1: to fed X points. And now you go. Now you
Speaker 1: go one step farther into this world golf ranking, and
Speaker 1: it's even it's even a vaguer or a bigger mess
Speaker 1: to try to determine who's really good. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of taken away from the barroom conversation of who's the
Speaker 1: best player, and right now when people have that barroom conversations, inevitably, uh,
Speaker 1: the guy who won most recently. And what John rom
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I wanted three confidence this year
Speaker 1: and I had a good year. Uh, it's cool because
Speaker 1: it really doesn't have anything to do with where we're
Speaker 1: ranking points just like, look at how I played this year.
Speaker 1: Everything's gotten more complex this season in golf, and it's
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I mean, I think I like the conversation.
Speaker 1: I like the controversy. I like the divergence of opinions.
Speaker 1: But it's important that people dig a little deeper. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, um, maybe maybe this conversation will
Speaker 1: helps and listeners understand the ranking changes. It wasn't really
Speaker 1: target that live or Europe. It's just it just happened
Speaker 1: or Asia for that matter. But um, you know, the
Speaker 1: the it's the emphasis is on bigger, deeper fields, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Rory winning the Race to du Buy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't he won that many tournaments and just that
Speaker 1: he had a lot of good finishes, like like consistency
Speaker 1: and um, that's that's kind of become baked into the model,
Speaker 1: like you gotta be there and you've got to show
Speaker 1: up every week, and but you're you know, Michael, I
Speaker 1: think we grab date more so the guys like I
Speaker 1: would say you, I'd rather have John Rom's season where
Speaker 1: you win three times um and fifth on the on
Speaker 1: the money list or fifth in the ranking versus someone
Speaker 1: who has a million top tens but doesn't win and
Speaker 1: they're higher up. I mean the winds are what you remember.
Speaker 1: But um, a lot of these, a lot of the
Speaker 1: measuring sticks in golf now are more about we can
Speaker 1: week out consistency than they are occasional bursts of excellence.
Speaker 1: And it just is what it is. But we we've
Speaker 1: we touched on Sea Island little bit and um you
Speaker 1: know for this this kid, uh the winner who third
Speaker 1: year Canadian? Um, you know Adam Spencing, Like he's a
Speaker 1: second Canadian to win this year on tour behind Matt Hughes. Um,
Speaker 1: he's never played in a major before. Now he's punched
Speaker 1: his ticket to the Masters and and a huge career upgrade.
Speaker 1: But Ryan, you know a little bit about about ab
Speaker 1: spencon So his journey to the PGA Tour included a
Speaker 1: detour through the Big Money Classic. So what is what
Speaker 1: is the backstory there? And this is great mini tour scandal.
Speaker 1: The Big Money Classic for those that don't know, I've
Speaker 1: written an article about it didn't pay players, but the
Speaker 1: original Big Money Classic Adams Spence in one he uh
Speaker 1: it was a hundred thousand dollars to the winner. As
Speaker 1: far as I knew, I don't have a relationship with Adam. Uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't really fit into the grinder's mold. He was
Speaker 1: a corn ferry remember at the time when he played,
Speaker 1: and uh, he plays, he wins as far as I know,
Speaker 1: he gets he gets his hunt thousand dollars winter check.
Speaker 1: The whole fire. The whole Big Money Classic falls apart
Speaker 1: the next year, and I learned that Adam has been
Speaker 1: paid over a year basis, so he didn't get paid originally. Uh,
Speaker 1: Dustin Manning, the Order of Big Money Classic, made a
Speaker 1: deal with him to pay him over a twelve month
Speaker 1: period with interest, and unfortunately they use the player's entry
Speaker 1: fee from the this year's version of The Big Money
Speaker 1: Classic to pay Adam. So Adam eventually got paid plus interest.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it was from the entry fees of the players
Speaker 1: this year who have never been paid or they've been
Speaker 1: paid ten of what they're are. So, um, I mean,
Speaker 1: just full mini tour drama right there. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: an absolute periods. He's like, it's like Bernie made Off.
Speaker 1: You've got to take money from someone to pay someone else.
Speaker 1: But eventually you're not gonna have someone new to take
Speaker 1: the money from. Like it's wild. It is wild. And
Speaker 1: there's a great picture. I'll try to get it for Jake.
Speaker 1: There's a great picture of Adam spencing that Chantel McCabe took.
Speaker 1: Shantell and I were covering the original Big Money Classic
Speaker 1: and uh, and Adam is walking, has won this hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, like no one knows that he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get paid at that point. It's like a huge win
Speaker 1: for him. Needs money. I mean that is that is
Speaker 1: career changing type money for a player. And uh, there's
Speaker 1: no one there and he takes his big gass you know,
Speaker 1: one of those big gas checks, and he's walking to
Speaker 1: the car just by himself. He just one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and he's just like no one around him, carrying
Speaker 1: his own bag. Is his bag in one shoulder and
Speaker 1: his big gas check underneath of his arm on the
Speaker 1: other one. And it is I mean, many tour life
Speaker 1: to the max. How did you find yourself ruting for
Speaker 1: Joel Damon at all this UM this weekend? Of course
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention, yeah, Joel Damon, recent guest on
Speaker 1: our new to fourth podcast UM Shot sixty four finish
Speaker 1: tied for fifth um, jump twenty people are so on Sunday.
Speaker 1: So I've I was definitely happy to see him. You
Speaker 1: know that the need of fourth bump is real and uh,
Speaker 1: you know there's a golf digest bump. Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with that? Hellen? Um? Yeah, I mean, um, sort of there.
Speaker 1: That's always been a thing. You know, if I think,
Speaker 1: I think there's an actual fact when when players get
Speaker 1: this attention there on a podcast, they're on a magazine cover.
Speaker 1: I think it helps your self esteem and is I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence. They tend to play better
Speaker 1: after these little bursts of attention. So have you have
Speaker 1: you seen the Golf Die just cover with with Damon
Speaker 1: on it? Um? I saw a behind the scenes video.
Speaker 1: I kind of get the vibe. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've seen the actual magazine. Is it fun very funny?
Speaker 1: He's uh funny slash ridiculous, slash sign of the times. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's shirtless, he's tatted up and every possible you know,
Speaker 1: he's inked up. Every every available piece of skin is
Speaker 1: pretty much inked up. Um, and it's kind of classic
Speaker 1: Joel Damon. Yeah, Now he's great. I would I would
Speaker 1: implore the listeners, you haven't checked it out, listen to
Speaker 1: um need a fourth It was such a fun conversation.
Speaker 1: That's our new podcast. Michael myself Jeff Ogilvie are the
Speaker 1: co host. We take turns kind of surprising each other
Speaker 1: with mystery guests, and Joel was our first one because
Speaker 1: he was just so much fun. And we have we
Speaker 1: have a lot of great guests coming, so that that
Speaker 1: those drop on Wednesdays. But um, back to See Island.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of energy around so Heath
Speaker 1: the gala, he's become sort of a a favorite of
Speaker 1: golf Twitter. He made a nice run despite a double
Speaker 1: bogie on the seventh hole. But I was most interested
Speaker 1: by Cole Hammer. Um, you know, his kid just graduated
Speaker 1: from Texas uh In a few months ago really and
Speaker 1: finished fifth, which that gets him into the field in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: the season opener of the calendar anyway of the two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty three. And you know he's got he's got
Speaker 1: definite star quality. Um, you know, he's more of a
Speaker 1: golden boy than a grinder. Ryan, But have have you
Speaker 1: crossed paths with with Cole Hammer any events? I have?
Speaker 1: I mean, Cole is obviously super talented UH, and there's
Speaker 1: Cole is at the center, not because of anything he's done,
Speaker 1: but at the center of the PGA Tour rankings. UH
Speaker 1: dust up because you get UH points for being on
Speaker 1: UH in a PGA Tour event, and prior to him
Speaker 1: turning pro he got like this is a rough estimate
Speaker 1: fourteen exemptions over X amount of period, and so UH
Speaker 1: A lot of controversy about, you know, the politics behind
Speaker 1: exemptions that we all know about, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just back to your point. Alan a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty six player field, there's probably a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: guys that can win give a week to Not that
Speaker 1: Coal is not ultra talented. He is, but the guy
Speaker 1: has made like three cuts and sixteen career PJ Tour
Speaker 1: events and you know, but he puts seventy two holes together.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised now that he's over to
Speaker 1: something that he takes advantage and like I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see another top ten in at
Speaker 1: the Sony And he never touches a spike on the
Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour. I mean, he's a big name, a
Speaker 1: simper talented, he's gonna get a lot more exemptions. He's
Speaker 1: pretty close to non member points already. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if kole Hammer spends any
Speaker 1: time or any more than a few events on the
Speaker 1: corn Ferry tour well and furnished to him those miscuts.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a teenager slash undergraduate for a
Speaker 1: lot of them, So we gotta you gotta cut him
Speaker 1: a little slack. I mean kids like twenty two years old,
Speaker 1: so he's he's learning on the fly. And Ryan, because
Speaker 1: of my interests in your career, I followed Ah this
Speaker 1: week he was a a Monday qualifier and to have
Speaker 1: this correct who played his way into uh the RSMC
Speaker 1: Island event, And uh, it's only happened very seldom where
Speaker 1: Monday quality fires maybe a half a dozen times have
Speaker 1: won the event after Monday qualifying. But what are the
Speaker 1: challenges of Monday qualifying and then you probably only get
Speaker 1: to see the course once because of a program round.
Speaker 1: What what what's it like for Monday qualified to get
Speaker 1: into a field and then actually he played one great
Speaker 1: round and then sort of stalled from they never made
Speaker 1: the cup. What are the struggles of of what's like
Speaker 1: to play Monday qualifying golf, get into a tournament, then
Speaker 1: try to play a seventy two whole event. I am
Speaker 1: a little disappointed that you don't know that it's four times.
Speaker 1: Some say five, but as the fourth spot, it is
Speaker 1: the four times last time Corey Connors Ploro Texas Open,
Speaker 1: as you know, Michael and all. But for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, uh, Monday. Obviously, the Monday qualifiers played Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Courses closed to most pros outside of if you playing
Speaker 1: a pro am. So anyone who gets through Monday qualifier
Speaker 1: has one day to see the course. Um. And I
Speaker 1: mean you gotta play all a team if you don't
Speaker 1: know the course. Now he knows this course a little bit,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what he did, but it's funny.
Speaker 1: There was a debate on Twitter, and I have never
Speaker 1: questioned Actually's talent. I've questioned him turning pro or anyone
Speaker 1: turning pro at eighteen. Um, it's just a tough road
Speaker 1: to home and a lot of people, as we know,
Speaker 1: the list is long of eighteen year olds who are
Speaker 1: super talented that never made it. Um. But but I
Speaker 1: I posted about his sixty three on on Friday, and
Speaker 1: someone said, oh, he's never gonna make it. He's twenty
Speaker 1: years old, like and he's he's has like multiple top
Speaker 1: tens and PGA Tour events. He's one on the corn
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour. I mean, the guy is super talented. Uh
Speaker 1: will you ever make it? I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think he's he's obviously ultra talented. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Monday's are hard because you only have one day.
Speaker 1: You've already grinded. You basically play ninety holes, you know,
Speaker 1: under tournament conditions if you're gonna make the cut, because
Speaker 1: Mondays is stressful, So one day to practice, you don't
Speaker 1: see the course on Wednesday, and then he got ready.
Speaker 1: You gotta get ready Thursday through uh through Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, just to be clear that the Monday qualifiers
Speaker 1: are not played at the tournament course. That they're played
Speaker 1: off site. So even if you shoot sixty three on money,
Speaker 1: it's not the same it sound like he did it
Speaker 1: on the course. You have to then learn. So it's um.
Speaker 1: And that's like basically playing playing the final round. You know,
Speaker 1: the pressure that if you're if you're in the hunt
Speaker 1: there that that's that's like serious wear and tear on
Speaker 1: your nervous system. So um, I'm sure some of those
Speaker 1: money qualifies, but then they get to Thursday or Friday
Speaker 1: already kind of they're a little they're a little fried.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to um. When Mark Monday qualified at
Speaker 1: the Barrier Cout in two thousand, Mark Baldwin, Mark Baldwin, sorry,
Speaker 1: Uh shot a score early in the day, sent there
Speaker 1: for two and a half hours and went for scores.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's that's stressful. Dogs going hammer at Allan's house. Uh.
Speaker 1: The then we got into a playoff, Obviously that's stressful.
Speaker 1: We Mark wins the playoff, that's a celebration. And now
Speaker 1: at seven o'clock at night, get a fine hotels, you
Speaker 1: get extend your car, get a cancel flights home. You
Speaker 1: gotta called everybody and celebrate. And then you gotta get
Speaker 1: up at seven am and get to the course because
Speaker 1: you've never seen the tournament course before and you gotta
Speaker 1: play at eighteen holes on Tuesday. So it's just you know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot, and uh, you know that's why over
Speaker 1: a four year period that I affected of of guys.
Speaker 1: You know, make make test you get the worst tea times,
Speaker 1: no complaints about that. You should get the worst tea
Speaker 1: times your Monday qualifier people ahead of you have ever
Speaker 1: in it, but get the last tea time of each wife.
Speaker 1: So Friday afternoon trying to make a cut on greens
Speaker 1: that have been walked down for two days is a
Speaker 1: tough deal. Uh, just the way it is. And again,
Speaker 1: to be clear, zero complaints about Monday qualifiers getting the
Speaker 1: last tea time. They should. They're not part of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tour. How how do you guys think Hudson Swapford
Speaker 1: feels this week? And I'll leave it to either of
Speaker 1: you to explain why his name would even be in
Speaker 1: the conversation. Yes, Hudson Swofford a resident of Sea Island
Speaker 1: and part of the Sea Island Mafia who went to
Speaker 1: Live Golf. I actually asked him about this in UM
Speaker 1: at the live event in Chicago, and because I've been
Speaker 1: told he was basically run off the island UM, and
Speaker 1: he said, not exactly, but it's been a little frosty,
Speaker 1: you know. He's definitely it's very clicky and the there's
Speaker 1: a lot of PG tour guys who makes the island
Speaker 1: their home and and he was made you feel a
Speaker 1: little unwelcome when it tells you how seriously, this this
Speaker 1: live PG to rupture has been that the poor hud
Speaker 1: It's just like he's getting stinct at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what's happening. Try and Carter from going
Speaker 1: up quote tweeted my Alex Fitzpatrick's story and said, and
Speaker 1: it took a shot at Jay and that took a
Speaker 1: shot said something to Jay like, you know, this is
Speaker 1: the stuff that the tour should worry about, not blackballing
Speaker 1: camp Smith from all the Jacksonville golf courses. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean this fight is full blown, petty, full blown.
Speaker 1: And you know Davis has some power in Sea Island
Speaker 1: and all the Hut probably has has seen some curtains
Speaker 1: go up when he pulls into town nowadays. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just full on w W WE black ball.
Speaker 1: They're taking camp Smith's parking spot away and TPC. It's
Speaker 1: insane just on the base of it. You're playing a
Speaker 1: short field, which is Ryan said earlier, is in the
Speaker 1: heard of and you've got so many tour players living
Speaker 1: right there, one of whom is Hudson Swofford. And for
Speaker 1: him not to be in the field, of course we
Speaker 1: know why. And I mean that we're not arguing that
Speaker 1: right now, but it just is weird. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know Hudson that well, but he just
Speaker 1: seems like a very pleasant, down home kind of Southern boy.
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that anyone's really that mad at Hudson.
Speaker 1: Swofford is a human, but it's just what he stands
Speaker 1: for and the it's it's really it's an interesting turn
Speaker 1: of events. Let's talk Let's talk about a feel good
Speaker 1: story here, and that would be lydia Co, who winning
Speaker 1: this season ender on the LPGA Tour. And I love
Speaker 1: lydia Co. She to me is just one of the
Speaker 1: nicest people in all the professional sports and it is
Speaker 1: just a joy to watch. The way she plays the game, um,
Speaker 1: and especially early in her career was so natural and
Speaker 1: instinctive and just she had like a Jordan's speed, like
Speaker 1: genius for just getting the ball in the hole very quickly.
Speaker 1: You know, she would long puts hold out from bunkers.
Speaker 1: Crazy things just seem to always happen, and at some
Speaker 1: point it's not a coincidence. And she got a little technical,
Speaker 1: she kind of lost her way a little bit, and um,
Speaker 1: but she's back with a vengeance. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: her third win of the year, fourteen top ten, she's
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, she won the Very Trophy for
Speaker 1: scoring average. Um, just a monstro season for lydia Co.
Speaker 1: And all those things have significance because now with the
Speaker 1: LPG formula, UM, any of those accomplishments, player of the Year,
Speaker 1: Ver Trophy, they get you points that are that's put
Speaker 1: you further along into the Hall of Fame. We can
Speaker 1: all agree she's already a Hall of Famer, but the
Speaker 1: weirdness of the LPGs you actually have to check the boxes,
Speaker 1: and so it's significant when you win these these big
Speaker 1: milestone awards. So, UM, I don't know. Let let's have
Speaker 1: a little lydia Co appreciation for a moment. She's swings,
Speaker 1: swings like a dream. She plays so within herself. And uh,
Speaker 1: she's only twenty five years old. I mean to be
Speaker 1: talking about her in the Hall of Fame. The way
Speaker 1: she goes about her golf, she could be playing good
Speaker 1: golf for the next fifteen years. Uh. Al and I
Speaker 1: were having a conversation with Chrissie Kim the other day,
Speaker 1: Christine and Kim, and she's playing good golf for twenty years.
Speaker 1: So you know, uh, people do stick around for a
Speaker 1: long time in this game. In the women's game, they
Speaker 1: start young, of course, to starting young in the men's
Speaker 1: game now, But to be only twenty five, she's already
Speaker 1: been the best player of the world, should probably be
Speaker 1: the best player in the world again and well, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully see her for many years to come. It's astounding.
Speaker 1: Well shout out to Sean Foley, um, the swing coach,
Speaker 1: because he's been a part of this renaissance. And I
Speaker 1: mean I'm a big fan of Shawn Foley's as well,
Speaker 1: not even getting in the weeds the technical stuff, but
Speaker 1: he he becomes more of like a life coach. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a holistic thing I think when you're working
Speaker 1: with him, and I think that's a great perspective on everything.
Speaker 1: And um, I'm not sure how much he changed her
Speaker 1: swing or didn't change her swing, but whatever, whatever he
Speaker 1: did worked and I just got lydia Co back to
Speaker 1: being lydia Co. And I was I was texting with
Speaker 1: Foley earlier, um today, just after after after lydia one,
Speaker 1: and um, he said, you know, she's earned every part
Speaker 1: of this return to greatness, and that no one in
Speaker 1: the game works harder than her, which is a big statement,
Speaker 1: but I think it's true for even you take that
Speaker 1: that that incredible gift and natural talent that she appears
Speaker 1: to have, and then and then you work that hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, good things are gonna happen. So I don't
Speaker 1: think we can talk about the LPGA. First of all,
Speaker 1: Lydia co awesome and the crazy just insane that she's
Speaker 1: probably twenty five years old. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys read Bethan Nichols article about the CME CEO
Speaker 1: having this dinner and literally zero LPGA players showing up,
Speaker 1: and it is quite a thing. I mean, the LPGA
Speaker 1: has been had so much momentum, rightfully, so it seems
Speaker 1: over like since Juan took over, help they grow, and
Speaker 1: now it just seems like they get very little negative pressed. Rightfully,
Speaker 1: so they have been on a like a great trajectory. Uh.
Speaker 1: But their biggest sponsor, CEO saying having this dinner and
Speaker 1: zero players showing up and saying his quote was I'm
Speaker 1: pulling it up. Sorry, everybody you know on my phone
Speaker 1: just locked on me. I'm concerned about the future of
Speaker 1: the tour, said the CEO. I mean that is that's
Speaker 1: a pretty damning called probably the biggest sponsor. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did see that. It was interesting. I mean it dovetails
Speaker 1: a little bit with with with Bubba Watson's you know, Thunderbolt.
Speaker 1: Although we all we already kind of knew it that
Speaker 1: a lot of the tour players get paid to do
Speaker 1: some of the sponsor related activities. I mean when when
Speaker 1: players are in their grind mode, and this this is
Speaker 1: a huge event. I mean co won two million dollars,
Speaker 1: is the biggest winner's check in the history of the
Speaker 1: l p g A. There was a lot at stake
Speaker 1: at this event. They don't want to go to dinners,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to go to these functions. They
Speaker 1: will if there if there's a direct, you know, correlation
Speaker 1: to their paycheck. This probably seemed a little optional, but
Speaker 1: clearly it ruffles of feathers and I think next year,
Speaker 1: like the entire fields coming to that dinner because, as
Speaker 1: you say, Ryan, you gotta keep the sponsors happy. But
Speaker 1: the fact that the Cimme guy CMME guys talking about
Speaker 1: of publicly is really weird because I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the live effect too, but that
Speaker 1: never happens there's never any public criticism of anything from
Speaker 1: corporate America. If I threw a party no one showed up,
Speaker 1: I won't tell anybody. I would tweet we just had
Speaker 1: the greatest party ever. Man. That was a ranger, like
Speaker 1: it is kind of the best line in the story
Speaker 1: is he asked everyone, all the all the women players
Speaker 1: to stand up, and the and the line from Bethan
Speaker 1: was and only the waitresses and the servers were standing.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that was rough. That was good.
Speaker 1: That was that was well done by beth Han. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's it's funny. I mean, to tour players,
Speaker 1: they just live in a bubble. They really do. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it. So happening in Pebble Pizza this
Speaker 1: week is the p b I the Pell Beach Invitational,
Speaker 1: and it's a really fun little offseason event and they
Speaker 1: bring players from different tours and it's kind of working
Speaker 1: vacation winners. The winner gets maybe sixty dollars, which is
Speaker 1: not nothing. But um so I heard a story this
Speaker 1: week that was so great. Harrison Fraser, who I love Harrison.
Speaker 1: I wrote about him a few times when he's battling
Speaker 1: injuries and when he finally broke through. We got his
Speaker 1: first wins. He's now on the Senior Tour. But Harrison
Speaker 1: wins the Pell Beach Invitational a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And I should say that the players part of what
Speaker 1: makes it a fun week for them as they get
Speaker 1: to stay at the lodge or at Spanish Bay. The
Speaker 1: accommodations are free and they can charge all their food
Speaker 1: as as you know, kind of a nice perk for
Speaker 1: being there. And so Harrison wins, and he goes in
Speaker 1: the tap room and he's buying magnums from everyone, and
Speaker 1: he's buying food and drinks and put it all on
Speaker 1: his on his room tab. And he goes to check
Speaker 1: out the next day, and you know, some of the
Speaker 1: tournament folks are waiting for him and they're like, Harrison, Um, congratulations.
Speaker 1: You know, we're so proud of you. But um, we're
Speaker 1: gonna hang onto the winner's check because that's sixty dollars
Speaker 1: and you're building the tap room last night was eight
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, So um, we'll just call it even. Thanks
Speaker 1: for coming. Great job on the winds next year, I know,
Speaker 1: And there wasn't like such a nice like down home
Speaker 1: Texas boy, it's like totally out of character and hilarious.
Speaker 1: But you gotta love it. I mean, I respect out
Speaker 1: of it. That's awesome, find not. I mean you know,
Speaker 1: I mean for even even a kind of a silly
Speaker 1: season event in November, anytime you went Pale Beach is
Speaker 1: a big deal. I mean it would It would be
Speaker 1: one of the biggest wins of his career and he
Speaker 1: went out, he went big. Right now would be a
Speaker 1: perfect time to have since Geen Ram seems to be
Speaker 1: interested in playing golf the simmer year, if he's properly motivated,
Speaker 1: and we know lydia co it's interested in playing golf
Speaker 1: at this time of year, right now would be the
Speaker 1: perfect time to have a mixed team event, which you
Speaker 1: know did exist for years. It was never a huge thing,
Speaker 1: but it was a popular thing. Uh. But that is
Speaker 1: something that could really galvanize UH golf fans all over
Speaker 1: the world. To have players from all over the world
Speaker 1: uh gather and play in a mixed team event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and um it's crazy because everyone's
Speaker 1: talked about it for years. It would be such a
Speaker 1: no brainer to get the best LPG players, you get
Speaker 1: the best PGA Tour players. It would be so much fun.
Speaker 1: The fact that they can't get it done as an
Speaker 1: indictment of the leadership on on all those tours. But
Speaker 1: it has to happen one of these days. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: a couple of things before we go, we should tip
Speaker 1: our cap to the Wishbone Brawl in Oceanside, which is
Speaker 1: at Goat Hill, a few miles from the fire Pit headquarters.
Speaker 1: I was there last year and it was it was
Speaker 1: incredible events. Um didn't make the trip this year, and
Speaker 1: Michael and Ryan are far away. I think I think
Speaker 1: we'll blow it out next year and and we'll treat
Speaker 1: it like the Masters, because it really has become such
Speaker 1: a neat um gathering of of those who love golf
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know have the gold medalist and
Speaker 1: Zander Shoffe, you have Fred Couples, who's Fred Couples. You
Speaker 1: have us Open Champ, just Jeff Ogilvie and then kind
Speaker 1: of local legend Dean Wilson. They used pursumming woods and
Speaker 1: they're playing out of course. It's you know, not even
Speaker 1: five thousand yards and people just walk down the Ferrway
Speaker 1: without ropes. There's dogs, there's kids, and um, it's really
Speaker 1: one of the great events in golf. If we did
Speaker 1: a lot of coverage on the firepit handles on especially
Speaker 1: on on Instagram, but Twitter as well, and I would
Speaker 1: encourage folks to check that out. It's it's just the
Speaker 1: visuals are amazing, you know everyone. You have a thousand
Speaker 1: people ringed around every green and what marching down the
Speaker 1: fairway and it's kind of a throwback to how golf
Speaker 1: used to be. So congrats to all the folks. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: they play with Bersimmon driver, but they use that they
Speaker 1: use a modern golf ball. Of course, the presumming driver
Speaker 1: really works. Meant to work with a lot of ball.
Speaker 1: Uh and and does best Alan. Have you played the
Speaker 1: Goat Hill course yourself? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, handful of times.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's quirky and funky, but I love
Speaker 1: the scene there. And um, I actually really like the
Speaker 1: golf course. There's a lot of fun little half par
Speaker 1: holes and you can you can you can be super
Speaker 1: aggressive and cray easy and um you can make a double,
Speaker 1: you make an eagle like I enjoyed Going Hill a lot.
Speaker 1: The term half hole, I can, I can kind of
Speaker 1: guess it for a three and a half a drivable
Speaker 1: part four. Um, right, but what are the other context
Speaker 1: of it, because there's no there's no part two and
Speaker 1: a half, there's no part three talking to someone who
Speaker 1: made a sixty three yard hole on one, there's no
Speaker 1: part three and half. Oh yeah, well, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: there's drivable fours. The part fives are store they're like
Speaker 1: Part four and a halfs and then but there are
Speaker 1: you know there are the Part three's are really short there.
Speaker 1: I mean you've got a wedge in your hand most
Speaker 1: of the time, so you feel like you can hit
Speaker 1: it close every time, even though they're dangerous. So um,
Speaker 1: not except for the second hole, which is the harsh
Speaker 1: hole in California. But Brian and I played in the
Speaker 1: six shots combined that because I would call that that
Speaker 1: is a half part. That's about part three and a half. Michael, So,
Speaker 1: is there a big bank beyond the green? You can
Speaker 1: you can hit it over the green. I'll hit the
Speaker 1: bank and maybe roll back down. I'm thinking the right
Speaker 1: old No you think I think you're thinking of nine.
Speaker 1: That's a shorty. It's it's uphill, it's two yards over
Speaker 1: a chasm, crowned green. It's a it's a horror show. Um,
Speaker 1: Ryan and I need another go around that course to
Speaker 1: really appreciate you do. It'll happen, It'll happen. Well, I
Speaker 1: think I think that's the weekend golf. I mean we
Speaker 1: should We could also know that the Patrick Read lawsuit
Speaker 1: has been dismissed yet again. I mean, just a monumental
Speaker 1: clown show with the whole thing. It's free content for us,
Speaker 1: but Patrick Read is actually paying for this, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm as soon as you getting builed by the hour
Speaker 1: and so who knows, maybe maybe they will refile, which
Speaker 1: that will just give us something else to talk about
Speaker 1: on the next Fire Drill podcast. Um, any partning thoughts?
Speaker 1: Where we go? Boys? This is the week that was
Speaker 1: good week in golf and uh, always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: be with you guys. Indeed, Ryan, thank you guys as always.
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff. Well, another fire drills in the books.
Speaker 1: We do these pretty much every Sunday. Thank you for listening. Um,
Speaker 1: please also tune into the next Need of Fourth which
Speaker 1: will drop on Wednesday. I'm not gonna reveal the guests
Speaker 1: just yet. We want a little mystery, but um it's
Speaker 1: a great one so uh for Michael Bamberger in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: Ryan French in Middle America. This island Shop Nook in California,
Speaker 1: signing off, thank you for listening. I been big, play
Speaker 1: to win, made a fortune within my ship game. I
Speaker 1: ran the table and never thought I could fall. Then
Speaker 1: the winter hit me like a cannon ball, and now
Speaker 1: I can't shake this losing the street. Every road I
Speaker 1: take is a dead hand street. I got my head.
Speaker 1: Can't you out trying not to think what I'm thinking about?
Speaker 1: I gotta dance in my head. Can't get him out,
Speaker 1: trying not to think what I'm thinking about.