1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Uh. I am recording 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: this intro at ten pm Eastern Standard time. I forgot 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: I had to record an intro. Went to bed. Jake, 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: our producer, sent me a text, Hey, are you ready 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: to do the intro? And I said, yes, of course 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: I am. I just want to first thank our sponsors. Uh, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Dormy Workshop. Awesome as Alan ship Nick says. Ship Nuk says, uh, 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: artisanal head covers. I don't know what artisanal means, but 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: I know that they're awesome head covers. Um, so check 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: them out Dormy Workshop. And then also part points great 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: app for scoring, a new way to go a score 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: uh on your phone out on the golf course. Awesome 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: way to do it. Now let's go make par use 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: that part points app. In this week of the Fire Drill, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: we talked about John rom talk about Rory McIlroy. We 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: talked about Lydia co At that twenty five, she is 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: already a Hall of Famer. It's crazy that she's feel 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: like she's thirty one. She's been a part of our lives, 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: for our golf lives forever. She started so young. Um. 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Adams fencing and his 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: journey and the connection that he has to the Big 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: Money Classic. We talked about Ram's complaints about the o 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: W g R and are they legitimate are they not, 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: and what that means in the world of golf. We 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: talk a little wishbone brawl. We talk persimmons in there 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: um but as always spirited conversation, some disagreements, some not 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: without further ado. Here's Michael Allen and I talking golf. 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I got dot, He can't get Johan nothinging what I'm 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: thinking about, can't get the thing what I'm thinking about. 30 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: All right, boys, Well, it was a huge week in golf. 31 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: There was sort of some season ending intrigue in both 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: Europe and on the LPGA Tour. Uh Europe of course 33 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: being a a a loose term because they actually were 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: in Dubai. But there the European Tour, it's not even 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: the European Tour anymore, it's the dp World Tour. But 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: they have their season finale. John Rahm held off a 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: really stellar field. Roy McRoy one the race to Dubai. 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Although it should be noted that when a single event 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: on the European Tour this year, you know, but they 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: count the majors, and they count other events that allowed 41 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Roy's excellence to get him to the top of the 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: the race to Dubai standings. But uh, let's let's just 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: start there. I mean it's been the European Tour has 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: been battled kind of all year. Um, it's in this 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: this funky place because of the battle between Live and 46 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: and the PGA Tour and Asian tours rising. And I 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: think Europe's going through little identity crisis that lost all 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: these uh, all of its elder statesmen in the Poulters 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: and Westwoods and Garcia's and Kaimer's and Stenson's. You know, 50 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: an entire generation of stars just vanished and left a 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: little bit of a void there. So Uh, to have 52 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: such a good finished with so many top players, what 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: did that mean for for this embattled tour? Well, they 54 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: need it. Uh, you know just like when uh, when 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: Live was just starting up and Rory went to Canada 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: and they had a great event. Uh, everything seems to 57 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: count now, to use one of your words, Alan, everything 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: is fraught. Everything has more meaning than otherwise would would. Uh. 59 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: So it's significant to see top players playing and uh 60 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: it's significant sort of I guess to see Rory McElroy 61 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: winning this thing. It means nothing to me, and I 62 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: can't imagine it really does to most ordinary golf fans, 63 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: But on the global stage of golf politics, it seems 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: to mean a lot. Yeah think um, I mean, it 65 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: just seems to me. Obviously, I'm locked in more on 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the Asian Tour because of just what it means to 67 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I follow. But it seems 68 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: like the Asian Tour has a lot of momentum um 69 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: and the Overtree won last week, you know, last week. 70 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: It just seems to be there's a lot of momentum 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: they need Rory and John. I mean, the European more 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: than any other tour meets the momentum. It seems like 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: they've kind of got lost in all of this. And 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: and like you said, down, I think their identity is. 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: They just seem to be in big, big trouble to me. 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I don't even know what the race 77 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: of Dubai means. I don't know how the hell you 78 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: won without winning an event. Uh, it's then like Wills 79 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: Alatorious or Patrick read win it one year or something 80 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: by not even playing a European Tour. Event. I don't know, 81 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: but I think it's good for the European Tour. If 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: Rory and John lam are mentioned anytime with it associated 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: with it, uh, they needed no story. Will's Alturas finished 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: seventh this year, and you only he only played one, 85 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, normal European Tour event and missed the cut. 86 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: So it just tells you how heavily weighted it is 87 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to the majors. And again, it's just that you're right. 88 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that, um, that Rory has deep feelings 89 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: for this, but it's just another The fact that he 90 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: wanted is another testament to what a fine season he 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: had and his excellence from from start to finish. Just 92 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: the fact that we're sort of manufacturing and discussion about 93 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: something we don't really care about is proof of the 94 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: fact that people, whether it's Graham McDowell or David Slover, 95 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: various you know, people on all sorts of different views 96 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: of this thing, do think the PGA Tour season of 97 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: the professional golf season is too long, too monotonous, and 98 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: even if you go overseason, all the rest too many 99 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: seventy two whole events without enough meaning to teach individual event. 100 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: So um, that might be the biggest lesson of this thing. 101 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean, even when you have John Roman, Roy mclroy 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: uh playing in a tournament, it's mid November and people 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: are not really thinking about golf. It's true. It's it's 104 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of like why are we here? Who 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: am I? Uh? You know, the old Stockdale line. I 106 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: mean it's um, but they did show up, they did 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: play golf. I mean, for you know, John Rom, it 108 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: clearly meant something to him. He was, like people have said, 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: had a bad year, this is my third win on 110 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: three continents. Like he was kind of beating his chest 111 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: and I sort of like that because a a indignant 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: and motivated John Rom. Could you know, I think a 113 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: year ago you just said he's the best player in 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the world. I think clearly he's probably been surpassed by 115 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: Marc Roy and Cam Smith in the short term. But um, 116 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, to see that it meant something to Rom 117 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: was cool and I agree. And he does run not 118 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: in his comments about the world golf rankings being a 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: joke and how they what what do you think of that? Run? Yeah, 120 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean the Asian Tour guys and he but even 121 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: before Andy uh, Travis Smith, Uh, you know, Barry Henson. Um, 122 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: A lot of the live guys that are playing over 123 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: on the Asian Tour have been beating this trub for 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: a long time, and I think it's very significant that 125 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: a European tour, a lot of those guys are getting 126 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: there like oh you're mad because I live and you know, 127 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: getting poop food or like discounted because of that. I 128 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: think John saying John rom saying something about the the 129 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: l w g R is is significant. Um, you know, listen. 130 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't know someone's gonna say it's because of the 131 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: bottom half of the field, but it just seems to 132 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: me at a field with John, Robin Roy, Michael Roy 133 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: at the top having little less points than R s 134 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: M this week just seems backwards to me. I don't 135 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: know anything. I'm not trying to pretend that I know 136 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: anything about w g R or the formula that I 137 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: goes into. I just think that that seems backwards to me. Alan, 138 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: what's the fix to the world ranking problem? So you know, 139 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: we touched on this a little bit in in the 140 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Ogletree podcast, and um, I've been I've been looking deeper 141 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: into it and thinking about it more and talking to 142 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: more people. I mean, the folks who Live Golf and 143 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: Asian Tour feel like that all this stuff was was 144 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: aimed at them. I mean, the reality is that the 145 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: changes to the to the O w JR were set 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: in motion in two thousand twenty one. Now, Live Golf 147 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: was a rumor and it was we kind of knew 148 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: was coming, but it wasn't a thing just yet. And 149 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: so the basic philosophy that that the World Ranking took 150 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: was that it's significant how many players you have to 151 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: beat in the field. I mean, you look at the 152 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: PGA tour um and you look at this leaderboard. There's 153 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot at Sea Island. There's a lot of guys 154 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: you don't think about week to weekend, and yet they 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: were there. And so if you have a hundred fifty 156 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: six players, you have to beat a hundred and fifty 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: five of them. And even though there's not it's not 158 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: a top heavy field, there's still a lot of guys 159 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: in the top one hundred and the top two hundred. 160 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: Do buy that was only I think fifty five players 161 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: fifty four players, So automatically there's a hundred less guys 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: you have to beat. Now they had they had more stars, 163 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: but the World Ranking is just taking the position that 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: it's harder to beat a big field than a small field, 165 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: no matter who you are or where you are. And 166 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: they do counterbalance it based on, uh, you know, the 167 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: guys that if you have top players, you're gonna get 168 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: more points. But there's there's a real bias towards full 169 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: field events. That's just their position, and so that obviously 170 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: hurts live. It hurt that, it hurt the event and Dubai, 171 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean hurt the Torch Championship for that matter, even 172 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: though they had so many top players. So I think 173 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: it's a defensible position there. You know, this is Ryan's 174 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: bills sool career on this fact that there are ten 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: thousand or twenty thousand or thirty thousand guys who are 176 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: potential PGA Tour winners roaming the planet. They just need 177 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity and so that that that is really what 178 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: the change in the world rankings is all about. And 179 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a defensible position, but it does create 180 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: these wonky weeks where have a cluster of top players 181 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: in Dubui. You don't have the star power. It's Sea Island. 182 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: But I think we could all probably agree to the 183 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: Sea Island field in a lot of ways is deeper. 184 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's a it's interesting debate, and 185 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: we know how the world ranking has chosen, um, where 186 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: to assign points. You're free to disagree, but that's just 187 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: what the formula is. What's you're feeling about fifty four 188 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: whole events uh being included or should they not be included? Viewer? 189 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: Those are the whole thing? What would your vote be? Yeah, 190 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean the Senior Tour and the LPJ has long 191 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: had fifty four whole events where they crown champions and 192 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: no one was too upset about it. Um, you know, 193 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: seventy two holes is the gold standard. I think we 194 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: can all agree the more holes you play, the more 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: likely or identified the best player. I mean, if if 196 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: if every tournament and then the two thousands was ninety 197 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: holes or hundred eight holes, tiger Woods would never been beaten. 198 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: But you know, the more holes you play, the harder 199 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: is to win. And so yeah, I think I think 200 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: there's merit to the fact that fifty four is slightly 201 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: lesser competent titian and seventy two. But it's been established 202 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: on various tours that you can you know, the mina tour, 203 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: you dam it, Like there's been many tours that played 204 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: fifty four holes. Like, It's just it's still a golf tournament. 205 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: You know when you start, what what you're signing up for, 206 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: and on that last round it's a shootout and you're 207 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: trying to win the tournament. So I would absolutely give 208 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: fifty four whole events points. I think you could. You can, 209 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: you can multiply by point seven five or something to 210 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: penalize them for playing fewer holes. But Uh, to me, 211 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a tournament. Everyone knows the rules of engagement 212 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and if you win it, you win it. Can I 213 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: pose the same questions to Ryan, Ryan, what's your billing 214 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: about the what would you do it if if you 215 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: were the czar? What would you do to fix the 216 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: world rankings? And what's your feeling about fifty or four 217 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: versus seventy two? Yeah, I mean I just don't know 218 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: enough about it. Michael, I mean, like the the whole 219 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: calculation and all that. But I mean Alan brings up 220 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: a great point. I mean, but the top of the 221 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: leader board. Among the players that were on top of 222 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: the leader board this week, Sea Island, Calm Tar and 223 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Adams Fencer, who won. You know, those are guys that 224 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: are far down the list, but on a given week 225 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: they can play. So I agree that field is deeper probably, Um, 226 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: I think on a much bigger scale. Uh, yeah, I'm 227 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: fine with fifty four holes now, I'm not firing a 228 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: fifty four holes in a no cut event. That's that's 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: where I struggled with. If the Sea Island was fifty 230 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: four holes this week, would anyone really care? I don't 231 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: think so. Um, I don't know that. I just I 232 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: think it's I just if you had ten events a 233 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: year on the PGA Tour that we're fifty four holes 234 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: and they were all like, uh, you know, opposite field 235 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: or lower, would anyone care? No one would care? Uh. 236 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: I think the people me included have a problem with 237 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: fifty four holes, no cut, guaranteed money up front. Uh. 238 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: If it was fifty four holes and there was a 239 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: forty eight player field and twenty four got paid, I 240 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: might find it interesting from a obviously I'm on my snority, 241 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: but it's just not interesting to watch the rich get 242 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: richard for me. Uh. So it's not really about fifty 243 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: four holds to be, it's just about the format of 244 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: no cuts whatever. If it was seventy two hols, it was. 245 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: If they change the seventy two hols still come morning 246 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: to me. But now I'm flat out stealing this from 247 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: my close personal friend Davis sem loved the third, get 248 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: rid of the whole thing altogether. Who needs a world ranking? 249 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Some people know that, some people don't. The world ranking 250 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: was dreamed up by i MG as a way to 251 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: promote its players. It's not like you, Bobby Jones and 252 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: and Gene Sarah's and came up with this sitting around 253 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: at the table at Augustina National. It has no great history. 254 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a promotional tool that Mark McCormick, 255 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, scribbled down the back of a Napkins somewhere, 256 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: and it has over time taken on greater significance because 257 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: it's used to It's it's the gatekeeper. It's the yardstick 258 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: for getting into the majors and and these other things. 259 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: But um, you don't need world rankings to determine who 260 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: gets into the major championships. You can go off the 261 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: previous year's leaderboard. You can you could give you can 262 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: see the top ten on the Live Money list, you 263 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: could say the top fifteen and Asia like there's a 264 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: million ways you can. You can get the best players together. 265 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: You don't need the world ranking, and that that's the 266 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: precarious position of the world rankings in they could make 267 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: themselves obsolete. And it's already training that direction. If you're 268 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: not gonna have Cam Smith or Dustin Johnson in your 269 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: top twenty or top fifty, it becomes meaningless. So um, 270 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the world ranking is in the last ten years has 271 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: become very important, but before that it was just kind 272 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: of a talking point that no one paid that much 273 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: attention to. Here's what I will say about Rom's comment, 274 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: and it goes back to a much bigger thing is 275 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Live has given golfers folk card brunch to say whatever 276 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: they want, whatever they now. Rama is like somewhat outspoken 277 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: at times, and Rory has been. But it reminded me 278 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: of so I posted the Sea Island field played short, okay, 279 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: unheard of on the state side PG to or event 280 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: no uh no alternates on site someone two people that 281 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: drew in the morning. Davis loved the third being one 282 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: of them, but I assumed he had told the first 283 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: alternate that he like was probably going to test his 284 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: risk and if it didn't feel well, withdraw, so he 285 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: already knew. And then someone else withdrew with a bad 286 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: back and there was no alternate on site. Unheard of, 287 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: unheard of that a PGA Tour event played short and 288 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Leslie Bryant under my tweet and he was the fourth 289 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: alternate and obviously if he was outside of when he 290 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: got in he said, his tweet was and I paraphrase Wesley, 291 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: so I apologize. It was like I gotta call. I 292 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: lived twelve hours away and I gotta call thirty five 293 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: minutes before the teatime. No communication from the time I 294 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: was fourth alternate until the time I was first alternate. Uh. 295 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: I guess the PGA Tour just doesn't care about conditional 296 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: guys like me. They would have never said that. In 297 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: my opinion, pre lived people are just firing from the 298 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: hip and it is awesome. It is great. M Yeah, 299 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: I agree with all that. Ryan. I mean, it's this, 300 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: We've seen this throughout American life. You know, civility has 301 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: gone by the wayside, and now now people are are 302 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: are you know, they're just taking shots, which in our business, 303 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: that's that's it's as I've said many times, it's a 304 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: gift from the content gods. But you know, even Rom's 305 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: comments were a little shortsighted because part of the the 306 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: overhaul of the world rankings this most recent iteration was 307 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: in the past different tours were guaranteed a floor on 308 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: no matter what, they'd getting a certain number of points 309 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: per event, and even if nobody showed up, you would 310 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: still get you know, I think on Europe it was 311 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: twenty four points for for the tournament and they did 312 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: away with that. And so Europe especially had had had 313 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: used that minimum threshold many times in recent years. That 314 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: so they're they're players were getting artifici propped up in 315 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: the rankings, whereas you know, the field might have only 316 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: been worth eleven or thirteen or seventeen points, they were 317 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: still getting twenty four. And so the European guys are 318 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: are they've hit They've been hit hard by this as well. 319 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: And that's part of Rom's blowback, is like that they're 320 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: feeling discriminated against. But really it was probably a necessary 321 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: tweak to say, we can't, we can't just artificially give 322 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: you points you haven't earned. And so you know, Rom's 323 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: kind of sticking up for his home tour and his 324 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: own continent and all that, but his his comments were 325 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: not totally grounded in reality or the truth. So um, 326 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, people popping off as great fun, but sometimes 327 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: when you when you dig a little deeper, it's like, well, 328 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well informed they really are. There 329 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: was a there was a beautiful simplicity two the money List, 330 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: just the money List, and if you wanted to win 331 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the money List, you can either play more or play 332 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: better when you did play. And I remember having this 333 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: conversation on Davis when they made the move from the 334 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: money List to FedEx points and I never really gravitated 335 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: to fed X points. And now you go. Now you 336 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: go one step farther into this world golf ranking, and 337 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: it's even it's even a vaguer or a bigger mess 338 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: to try to determine who's really good. And it's kind 339 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: of taken away from the barroom conversation of who's the 340 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: best player, and right now when people have that barroom conversations, inevitably, uh, 341 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: the guy who won most recently. And what John rom 342 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I wanted three confidence this year 343 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: and I had a good year. Uh, it's cool because 344 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: it really doesn't have anything to do with where we're 345 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: ranking points just like, look at how I played this year. 346 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: Everything's gotten more complex this season in golf, and it's 347 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I mean, I think I like the conversation. 348 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: I like the controversy. I like the divergence of opinions. 349 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: But it's important that people dig a little deeper. And 350 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know, um, maybe maybe this conversation will 351 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: helps and listeners understand the ranking changes. It wasn't really 352 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: target that live or Europe. It's just it just happened 353 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: or Asia for that matter. But um, you know, the 354 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: the it's the emphasis is on bigger, deeper fields, and 355 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Rory winning the Race to du Buy. 356 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't he won that many tournaments and just that 357 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: he had a lot of good finishes, like like consistency 358 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: and um, that's that's kind of become baked into the model, 359 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: like you gotta be there and you've got to show 360 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: up every week, and but you're you know, Michael, I 361 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: think we grab date more so the guys like I 362 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: would say you, I'd rather have John Rom's season where 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: you win three times um and fifth on the on 364 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: the money list or fifth in the ranking versus someone 365 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: who has a million top tens but doesn't win and 366 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: they're higher up. I mean the winds are what you remember. 367 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: But um, a lot of these, a lot of the 368 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: measuring sticks in golf now are more about we can 369 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: week out consistency than they are occasional bursts of excellence. 370 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: And it just is what it is. But we we've 371 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: we touched on Sea Island little bit and um you 372 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: know for this this kid, uh the winner who third 373 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: year Canadian? Um, you know Adam Spencing, Like he's a 374 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: second Canadian to win this year on tour behind Matt Hughes. Um, 375 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: he's never played in a major before. Now he's punched 376 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: his ticket to the Masters and and a huge career upgrade. 377 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: But Ryan, you know a little bit about about ab 378 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: spencon So his journey to the PGA Tour included a 379 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: detour through the Big Money Classic. So what is what 380 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: is the backstory there? And this is great mini tour scandal. 381 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: The Big Money Classic for those that don't know, I've 382 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: written an article about it didn't pay players, but the 383 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: original Big Money Classic Adams Spence in one he uh 384 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: it was a hundred thousand dollars to the winner. As 385 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: far as I knew, I don't have a relationship with Adam. Uh, 386 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: he didn't really fit into the grinder's mold. He was 387 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: a corn ferry remember at the time when he played, 388 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: and uh, he plays, he wins as far as I know, 389 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: he gets he gets his hunt thousand dollars winter check. 390 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: The whole fire. The whole Big Money Classic falls apart 391 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: the next year, and I learned that Adam has been 392 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: paid over a year basis, so he didn't get paid originally. Uh, 393 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Dustin Manning, the Order of Big Money Classic, made a 394 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: deal with him to pay him over a twelve month 395 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: period with interest, and unfortunately they use the player's entry 396 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: fee from the this year's version of The Big Money 397 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: Classic to pay Adam. So Adam eventually got paid plus interest. 398 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it was from the entry fees of the players 399 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: this year who have never been paid or they've been 400 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: paid ten of what they're are. So, um, I mean, 401 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: just full mini tour drama right there. I mean, it's 402 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: an absolute periods. He's like, it's like Bernie made Off. 403 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: You've got to take money from someone to pay someone else. 404 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: But eventually you're not gonna have someone new to take 405 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: the money from. Like it's wild. It is wild. And 406 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: there's a great picture. I'll try to get it for Jake. 407 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: There's a great picture of Adam spencing that Chantel McCabe took. 408 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: Shantell and I were covering the original Big Money Classic 409 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: and uh, and Adam is walking, has won this hundred 410 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, like no one knows that he's not gonna 411 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: get paid at that point. It's like a huge win 412 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: for him. Needs money. I mean that is that is 413 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: career changing type money for a player. And uh, there's 414 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: no one there and he takes his big gass you know, 415 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: one of those big gas checks, and he's walking to 416 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: the car just by himself. He just one hundred thousand 417 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: dollars and he's just like no one around him, carrying 418 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: his own bag. Is his bag in one shoulder and 419 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: his big gas check underneath of his arm on the 420 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: other one. And it is I mean, many tour life 421 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: to the max. How did you find yourself ruting for 422 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: Joel Damon at all this UM this weekend? Of course 423 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna mention, yeah, Joel Damon, recent guest on 424 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: our new to fourth podcast UM Shot sixty four finish 425 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: tied for fifth um, jump twenty people are so on Sunday. 426 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: So I've I was definitely happy to see him. You 427 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: know that the need of fourth bump is real and uh, 428 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: you know there's a golf digest bump. Are you familiar 429 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: with that? Hellen? Um? Yeah, I mean, um, sort of there. 430 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: That's always been a thing. You know, if I think, 431 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: I think there's an actual fact when when players get 432 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: this attention there on a podcast, they're on a magazine cover. 433 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: I think it helps your self esteem and is I 434 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence. They tend to play better 435 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: after these little bursts of attention. So have you have 436 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: you seen the Golf Die just cover with with Damon 437 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: on it? Um? I saw a behind the scenes video. 438 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: I kind of get the vibe. I don't know if 439 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: I've seen the actual magazine. Is it fun very funny? 440 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: He's uh funny slash ridiculous, slash sign of the times. Uh, 441 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: he's shirtless, he's tatted up and every possible you know, 442 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: he's inked up. Every every available piece of skin is 443 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: pretty much inked up. Um, and it's kind of classic 444 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Joel Damon. Yeah, Now he's great. I would I would 445 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: implore the listeners, you haven't checked it out, listen to 446 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: um need a fourth It was such a fun conversation. 447 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: That's our new podcast. Michael myself Jeff Ogilvie are the 448 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: co host. We take turns kind of surprising each other 449 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: with mystery guests, and Joel was our first one because 450 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: he was just so much fun. And we have we 451 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of great guests coming, so that that 452 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: those drop on Wednesdays. But um, back to See Island. 453 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of energy around so Heath 454 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: the gala, he's become sort of a a favorite of 455 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: golf Twitter. He made a nice run despite a double 456 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: bogie on the seventh hole. But I was most interested 457 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: by Cole Hammer. Um, you know, his kid just graduated 458 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: from Texas uh In a few months ago really and 459 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: finished fifth, which that gets him into the field in Hawaii, 460 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: the season opener of the calendar anyway of the two 461 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: thousand twenty three. And you know he's got he's got 462 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: definite star quality. Um, you know, he's more of a 463 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: golden boy than a grinder. Ryan, But have have you 464 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: crossed paths with with Cole Hammer any events? I have? 465 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Cole is obviously super talented UH, and there's 466 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: Cole is at the center, not because of anything he's done, 467 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: but at the center of the PGA Tour rankings. UH 468 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: dust up because you get UH points for being on 469 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: UH in a PGA Tour event, and prior to him 470 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: turning pro he got like this is a rough estimate 471 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: fourteen exemptions over X amount of period, and so UH 472 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: A lot of controversy about, you know, the politics behind 473 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: exemptions that we all know about, but you know, I mean, 474 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: it's just back to your point. Alan a hundred and 475 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: fifty six player field, there's probably a hundred and fifty 476 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: guys that can win give a week to Not that 477 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: Coal is not ultra talented. He is, but the guy 478 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: has made like three cuts and sixteen career PJ Tour 479 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: events and you know, but he puts seventy two holes together. 480 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised now that he's over to 481 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: something that he takes advantage and like I mean, I 482 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see another top ten in at 483 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: the Sony And he never touches a spike on the 484 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour. I mean, he's a big name, a 485 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: simper talented, he's gonna get a lot more exemptions. He's 486 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: pretty close to non member points already. Uh, you know, 487 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if kole Hammer spends any 488 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: time or any more than a few events on the 489 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: corn Ferry tour well and furnished to him those miscuts. 490 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean he was a teenager slash undergraduate for a 491 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: lot of them, So we gotta you gotta cut him 492 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: a little slack. I mean kids like twenty two years old, 493 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: so he's he's learning on the fly. And Ryan, because 494 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: of my interests in your career, I followed Ah this 495 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: week he was a a Monday qualifier and to have 496 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: this correct who played his way into uh the RSMC 497 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Island event, And uh, it's only happened very seldom where 498 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: Monday quality fires maybe a half a dozen times have 499 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: won the event after Monday qualifying. But what are the 500 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: challenges of Monday qualifying and then you probably only get 501 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: to see the course once because of a program round. 502 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: What what what's it like for Monday qualified to get 503 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: into a field and then actually he played one great 504 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: round and then sort of stalled from they never made 505 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: the cup. What are the struggles of of what's like 506 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: to play Monday qualifying golf, get into a tournament, then 507 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: try to play a seventy two whole event. I am 508 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: a little disappointed that you don't know that it's four times. 509 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: Some say five, but as the fourth spot, it is 510 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: the four times last time Corey Connors Ploro Texas Open, 511 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: as you know, Michael and all. But for those who 512 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: don't know, uh, Monday. Obviously, the Monday qualifiers played Wednesday. 513 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: Courses closed to most pros outside of if you playing 514 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: a pro am. So anyone who gets through Monday qualifier 515 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: has one day to see the course. Um. And I 516 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: mean you gotta play all a team if you don't 517 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: know the course. Now he knows this course a little bit, 518 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: so I don't know what he did, but it's funny. 519 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: There was a debate on Twitter, and I have never 520 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: questioned Actually's talent. I've questioned him turning pro or anyone 521 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: turning pro at eighteen. Um, it's just a tough road 522 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: to home and a lot of people, as we know, 523 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: the list is long of eighteen year olds who are 524 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: super talented that never made it. Um. But but I 525 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I posted about his sixty three on on Friday, and 526 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: someone said, oh, he's never gonna make it. He's twenty 527 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: years old, like and he's he's has like multiple top 528 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: tens and PGA Tour events. He's one on the corn 529 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: Ferry Tour. I mean, the guy is super talented. Uh 530 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: will you ever make it? I don't know, but I 531 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: think he's he's obviously ultra talented. Um. But yeah, I 532 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: mean Monday's are hard because you only have one day. 533 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: You've already grinded. You basically play ninety holes, you know, 534 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: under tournament conditions if you're gonna make the cut, because 535 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Mondays is stressful, So one day to practice, you don't 536 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: see the course on Wednesday, and then he got ready. 537 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: You gotta get ready Thursday through uh through Sunday. Yeah, 538 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean, just to be clear that the Monday qualifiers 539 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: are not played at the tournament course. That they're played 540 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: off site. So even if you shoot sixty three on money, 541 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: it's not the same it sound like he did it 542 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: on the course. You have to then learn. So it's um. 543 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: And that's like basically playing playing the final round. You know, 544 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: the pressure that if you're if you're in the hunt 545 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: there that that's that's like serious wear and tear on 546 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: your nervous system. So um, I'm sure some of those 547 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: money qualifies, but then they get to Thursday or Friday 548 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: already kind of they're a little they're a little fried. 549 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: I'll go back to um. When Mark Monday qualified at 550 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the Barrier Cout in two thousand, Mark Baldwin, Mark Baldwin, sorry, 551 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: Uh shot a score early in the day, sent there 552 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: for two and a half hours and went for scores. 553 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: Obviously that's that's stressful. Dogs going hammer at Allan's house. Uh. 554 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: The then we got into a playoff, Obviously that's stressful. 555 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: We Mark wins the playoff, that's a celebration. And now 556 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: at seven o'clock at night, get a fine hotels, you 557 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: get extend your car, get a cancel flights home. You 558 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: gotta called everybody and celebrate. And then you gotta get 559 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: up at seven am and get to the course because 560 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: you've never seen the tournament course before and you gotta 561 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: play at eighteen holes on Tuesday. So it's just you know, 562 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: it's a lot, and uh, you know that's why over 563 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: a four year period that I affected of of guys. 564 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, make make test you get the worst tea times, 565 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: no complaints about that. You should get the worst tea 566 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: times your Monday qualifier people ahead of you have ever 567 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: in it, but get the last tea time of each wife. 568 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: So Friday afternoon trying to make a cut on greens 569 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: that have been walked down for two days is a 570 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: tough deal. Uh, just the way it is. And again, 571 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: to be clear, zero complaints about Monday qualifiers getting the 572 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: last tea time. They should. They're not part of the Yeah, 573 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: the tour. How how do you guys think Hudson Swapford 574 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: feels this week? And I'll leave it to either of 575 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: you to explain why his name would even be in 576 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: the conversation. Yes, Hudson Swofford a resident of Sea Island 577 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: and part of the Sea Island Mafia who went to 578 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: Live Golf. I actually asked him about this in UM 579 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: at the live event in Chicago, and because I've been 580 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: told he was basically run off the island UM, and 581 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: he said, not exactly, but it's been a little frosty, 582 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: you know. He's definitely it's very clicky and the there's 583 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot of PG tour guys who makes the island 584 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: their home and and he was made you feel a 585 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: little unwelcome when it tells you how seriously, this this 586 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: live PG to rupture has been that the poor hud 587 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: It's just like he's getting stinct at the grocery store. 588 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: But that's that's what's happening. Try and Carter from going 589 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: up quote tweeted my Alex Fitzpatrick's story and said, and 590 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: it took a shot at Jay and that took a 591 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: shot said something to Jay like, you know, this is 592 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that the tour should worry about, not blackballing 593 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: camp Smith from all the Jacksonville golf courses. You know, 594 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean this fight is full blown, petty, full blown. 595 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: And you know Davis has some power in Sea Island 596 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: and all the Hut probably has has seen some curtains 597 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: go up when he pulls into town nowadays. I mean, 598 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: this is just full on w W WE black ball. 599 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: They're taking camp Smith's parking spot away and TPC. It's 600 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: insane just on the base of it. You're playing a 601 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: short field, which is Ryan said earlier, is in the 602 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: heard of and you've got so many tour players living 603 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: right there, one of whom is Hudson Swofford. And for 604 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: him not to be in the field, of course we 605 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: know why. And I mean that we're not arguing that 606 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: right now, but it just is weird. Yeah, And I 607 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: mean I don't know Hudson that well, but he just 608 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: seems like a very pleasant, down home kind of Southern boy. 609 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that anyone's really that mad at Hudson. 610 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: Swofford is a human, but it's just what he stands 611 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: for and the it's it's really it's an interesting turn 612 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: of events. Let's talk Let's talk about a feel good 613 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: story here, and that would be lydia Co, who winning 614 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: this season ender on the LPGA Tour. And I love 615 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: lydia Co. She to me is just one of the 616 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: nicest people in all the professional sports and it is 617 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: just a joy to watch. The way she plays the game, um, 618 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: and especially early in her career was so natural and 619 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: instinctive and just she had like a Jordan's speed, like 620 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: genius for just getting the ball in the hole very quickly. 621 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: You know, she would long puts hold out from bunkers. 622 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: Crazy things just seem to always happen, and at some 623 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: point it's not a coincidence. And she got a little technical, 624 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: she kind of lost her way a little bit, and um, 625 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: but she's back with a vengeance. I mean, this is 626 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: her third win of the year, fourteen top ten, she's 627 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, she won the Very Trophy for 628 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: scoring average. Um, just a monstro season for lydia Co. 629 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: And all those things have significance because now with the 630 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: LPG formula, UM, any of those accomplishments, player of the Year, 631 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Ver Trophy, they get you points that are that's put 632 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: you further along into the Hall of Fame. We can 633 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: all agree she's already a Hall of Famer, but the 634 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: weirdness of the LPGs you actually have to check the boxes, 635 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: and so it's significant when you win these these big 636 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: milestone awards. So, UM, I don't know. Let let's have 637 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: a little lydia Co appreciation for a moment. She's swings, 638 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: swings like a dream. She plays so within herself. And uh, 639 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: she's only twenty five years old. I mean to be 640 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: talking about her in the Hall of Fame. The way 641 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: she goes about her golf, she could be playing good 642 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: golf for the next fifteen years. Uh. Al and I 643 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: were having a conversation with Chrissie Kim the other day, 644 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: Christine and Kim, and she's playing good golf for twenty years. 645 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: So you know, uh, people do stick around for a 646 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: long time in this game. In the women's game, they 647 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: start young, of course, to starting young in the men's 648 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: game now, But to be only twenty five, she's already 649 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: been the best player of the world, should probably be 650 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: the best player in the world again and well, you know, 651 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: hopefully see her for many years to come. It's astounding. 652 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Well shout out to Sean Foley, um, the swing coach, 653 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: because he's been a part of this renaissance. And I 654 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: mean I'm a big fan of Shawn Foley's as well, 655 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: not even getting in the weeds the technical stuff, but 656 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: he he becomes more of like a life coach. You know, 657 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: it's like a holistic thing I think when you're working 658 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: with him, and I think that's a great perspective on everything. 659 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: And um, I'm not sure how much he changed her 660 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: swing or didn't change her swing, but whatever, whatever he 661 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: did worked and I just got lydia Co back to 662 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: being lydia Co. And I was I was texting with 663 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: Foley earlier, um today, just after after after lydia one, 664 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: and um, he said, you know, she's earned every part 665 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: of this return to greatness, and that no one in 666 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: the game works harder than her, which is a big statement, 667 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: but I think it's true for even you take that 668 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: that that incredible gift and natural talent that she appears 669 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: to have, and then and then you work that hard. 670 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, good things are gonna happen. So I don't 671 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: think we can talk about the LPGA. First of all, 672 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: Lydia co awesome and the crazy just insane that she's 673 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: probably twenty five years old. But I don't know if 674 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: you guys read Bethan Nichols article about the CME CEO 675 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: having this dinner and literally zero LPGA players showing up, 676 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: and it is quite a thing. I mean, the LPGA 677 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: has been had so much momentum, rightfully, so it seems 678 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: over like since Juan took over, help they grow, and 679 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: now it just seems like they get very little negative pressed. Rightfully, 680 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: so they have been on a like a great trajectory. Uh. 681 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: But their biggest sponsor, CEO saying having this dinner and 682 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: zero players showing up and saying his quote was I'm 683 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: pulling it up. Sorry, everybody you know on my phone 684 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: just locked on me. I'm concerned about the future of 685 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: the tour, said the CEO. I mean that is that's 686 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: a pretty damning called probably the biggest sponsor. Yeah, I 687 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: did see that. It was interesting. I mean it dovetails 688 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: a little bit with with with Bubba Watson's you know, Thunderbolt. 689 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: Although we all we already kind of knew it that 690 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the tour players get paid to do 691 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: some of the sponsor related activities. I mean when when 692 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: players are in their grind mode, and this this is 693 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: a huge event. I mean co won two million dollars, 694 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: is the biggest winner's check in the history of the 695 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: l p g A. There was a lot at stake 696 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: at this event. They don't want to go to dinners, 697 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: and they don't want to go to these functions. They 698 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: will if there if there's a direct, you know, correlation 699 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: to their paycheck. This probably seemed a little optional, but 700 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: clearly it ruffles of feathers and I think next year, 701 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: like the entire fields coming to that dinner because, as 702 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: you say, Ryan, you gotta keep the sponsors happy. But 703 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the fact that the Cimme guy CMME guys talking about 704 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: of publicly is really weird because I don't know, I 705 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that's the live effect too, but that 706 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: never happens there's never any public criticism of anything from 707 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: corporate America. If I threw a party no one showed up, 708 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: I won't tell anybody. I would tweet we just had 709 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: the greatest party ever. Man. That was a ranger, like 710 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: it is kind of the best line in the story 711 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: is he asked everyone, all the all the women players 712 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: to stand up, and the and the line from Bethan 713 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: was and only the waitresses and the servers were standing. 714 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,479 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that was rough. That was good. 715 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: That was that was well done by beth Han. Uh. Yeah, 716 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's it's funny. I mean, to tour players, 717 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: they just live in a bubble. They really do. And 718 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it. So happening in Pebble Pizza this 719 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: week is the p b I the Pell Beach Invitational, 720 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: and it's a really fun little offseason event and they 721 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: bring players from different tours and it's kind of working 722 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: vacation winners. The winner gets maybe sixty dollars, which is 723 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: not nothing. But um so I heard a story this 724 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: week that was so great. Harrison Fraser, who I love Harrison. 725 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: I wrote about him a few times when he's battling 726 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: injuries and when he finally broke through. We got his 727 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: first wins. He's now on the Senior Tour. But Harrison 728 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: wins the Pell Beach Invitational a couple of years ago. 729 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: And I should say that the players part of what 730 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: makes it a fun week for them as they get 731 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: to stay at the lodge or at Spanish Bay. The 732 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: accommodations are free and they can charge all their food 733 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: as as you know, kind of a nice perk for 734 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: being there. And so Harrison wins, and he goes in 735 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: the tap room and he's buying magnums from everyone, and 736 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: he's buying food and drinks and put it all on 737 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: his on his room tab. And he goes to check 738 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: out the next day, and you know, some of the 739 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: tournament folks are waiting for him and they're like, Harrison, Um, congratulations. 740 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: You know, we're so proud of you. But um, we're 741 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: gonna hang onto the winner's check because that's sixty dollars 742 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: and you're building the tap room last night was eight 743 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, So um, we'll just call it even. Thanks 744 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: for coming. Great job on the winds next year, I know, 745 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: And there wasn't like such a nice like down home 746 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: Texas boy, it's like totally out of character and hilarious. 747 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: But you gotta love it. I mean, I respect out 748 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: of it. That's awesome, find not. I mean you know, 749 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean for even even a kind of a silly 750 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: season event in November, anytime you went Pale Beach is 751 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: a big deal. I mean it would It would be 752 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: one of the biggest wins of his career and he 753 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: went out, he went big. Right now would be a 754 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: perfect time to have since Geen Ram seems to be 755 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: interested in playing golf the simmer year, if he's properly motivated, 756 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: and we know lydia co it's interested in playing golf 757 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: at this time of year, right now would be the 758 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: perfect time to have a mixed team event, which you 759 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: know did exist for years. It was never a huge thing, 760 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: but it was a popular thing. Uh. But that is 761 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: something that could really galvanize UH golf fans all over 762 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: the world. To have players from all over the world 763 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: uh gather and play in a mixed team event. Yeah, 764 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: I agree with that, and um it's crazy because everyone's 765 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: talked about it for years. It would be such a 766 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: no brainer to get the best LPG players, you get 767 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: the best PGA Tour players. It would be so much fun. 768 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: The fact that they can't get it done as an 769 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: indictment of the leadership on on all those tours. But 770 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: it has to happen one of these days. Um. Well, 771 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: a couple of things before we go, we should tip 772 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: our cap to the Wishbone Brawl in Oceanside, which is 773 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: at Goat Hill, a few miles from the fire Pit headquarters. 774 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: I was there last year and it was it was 775 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: incredible events. Um didn't make the trip this year, and 776 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: Michael and Ryan are far away. I think I think 777 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: we'll blow it out next year and and we'll treat 778 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: it like the Masters, because it really has become such 779 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: a neat um gathering of of those who love golf 780 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know have the gold medalist and 781 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: Zander Shoffe, you have Fred Couples, who's Fred Couples. You 782 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: have us Open Champ, just Jeff Ogilvie and then kind 783 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: of local legend Dean Wilson. They used pursumming woods and 784 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: they're playing out of course. It's you know, not even 785 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: five thousand yards and people just walk down the Ferrway 786 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: without ropes. There's dogs, there's kids, and um, it's really 787 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: one of the great events in golf. If we did 788 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage on the firepit handles on especially 789 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: on on Instagram, but Twitter as well, and I would 790 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: encourage folks to check that out. It's it's just the 791 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: visuals are amazing, you know everyone. You have a thousand 792 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: people ringed around every green and what marching down the 793 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: fairway and it's kind of a throwback to how golf 794 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: used to be. So congrats to all the folks. Interestingly, 795 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: they play with Bersimmon driver, but they use that they 796 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: use a modern golf ball. Of course, the presumming driver 797 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: really works. Meant to work with a lot of ball. 798 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: Uh and and does best Alan. Have you played the 799 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: Goat Hill course yourself? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, handful of times. 800 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's quirky and funky, but I love 801 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: the scene there. And um, I actually really like the 802 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: golf course. There's a lot of fun little half par 803 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: holes and you can you can you can be super 804 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: aggressive and cray easy and um you can make a double, 805 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: you make an eagle like I enjoyed Going Hill a lot. 806 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: The term half hole, I can, I can kind of 807 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: guess it for a three and a half a drivable 808 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: part four. Um, right, but what are the other context 809 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: of it, because there's no there's no part two and 810 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: a half, there's no part three talking to someone who 811 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: made a sixty three yard hole on one, there's no 812 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: part three and half. Oh yeah, well, I mean yeah, 813 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: there's drivable fours. The part fives are store they're like 814 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: Part four and a halfs and then but there are 815 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: you know there are the Part three's are really short there. 816 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: I mean you've got a wedge in your hand most 817 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: of the time, so you feel like you can hit 818 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: it close every time, even though they're dangerous. So um, 819 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: not except for the second hole, which is the harsh 820 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: hole in California. But Brian and I played in the 821 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: six shots combined that because I would call that that 822 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: is a half part. That's about part three and a half. Michael, So, 823 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: is there a big bank beyond the green? You can 824 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: you can hit it over the green. I'll hit the 825 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: bank and maybe roll back down. I'm thinking the right 826 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: old No you think I think you're thinking of nine. 827 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: That's a shorty. It's it's uphill, it's two yards over 828 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: a chasm, crowned green. It's a it's a horror show. Um, 829 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: Ryan and I need another go around that course to 830 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: really appreciate you do. It'll happen, It'll happen. Well, I 831 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: think I think that's the weekend golf. I mean we 832 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: should We could also know that the Patrick Read lawsuit 833 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: has been dismissed yet again. I mean, just a monumental 834 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: clown show with the whole thing. It's free content for us, 835 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: but Patrick Read is actually paying for this, Like yeah, 836 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm as soon as you getting builed by the hour 837 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: and so who knows, maybe maybe they will refile, which 838 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: that will just give us something else to talk about 839 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,479 Speaker 1: on the next Fire Drill podcast. Um, any partning thoughts? 840 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: Where we go? Boys? This is the week that was 841 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: good week in golf and uh, always a pleasure to 842 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: be with you guys. Indeed, Ryan, thank you guys as always. 843 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: All right, good stuff. Well, another fire drills in the books. 844 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: We do these pretty much every Sunday. Thank you for listening. Um, 845 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: please also tune into the next Need of Fourth which 846 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: will drop on Wednesday. I'm not gonna reveal the guests 847 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: just yet. We want a little mystery, but um it's 848 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: a great one so uh for Michael Bamberger in Philadelphia, 849 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: Ryan French in Middle America. This island Shop Nook in California, 850 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: signing off, thank you for listening. I been big, play 851 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: to win, made a fortune within my ship game. I 852 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: ran the table and never thought I could fall. Then 853 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: the winter hit me like a cannon ball, and now 854 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: I can't shake this losing the street. Every road I 855 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: take is a dead hand street. I got my head. 856 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 1: Can't you out trying not to think what I'm thinking about? 857 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: I gotta dance in my head. Can't get him out, 858 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: trying not to think what I'm thinking about.