1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Doug Gottlep Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: by searching appspr Boom, but Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio coming to you live and direct from 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks, California, and of course Green Bay, Wisconsin. Beautiful 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: day in Green Bay. I suspect another beautiful day in 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: the valley is that that's probably about right. Dan Buyer's here, 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Jay Stew's here. We're here and ready to serve, Rady 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: to serve. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's let's 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: get after it. Last night as expected, Chargers win, Chargers cover, 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Chargers rule, Let Raiders suck. Goodnight now, good night now, 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: good night at night. Now. Then there was this weird 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: part in was that the first of the second half. 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: It may even both halves. I don't know, Like that 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of football. I enjoyed it right because 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: the Texans Buccaneers game wasn't a great game, and then 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's spun out of control by 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and then Baker Mayfield comes back to save 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: the day, and we'll get to that in the show. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: But it was not a particularly well played game. And 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: then late in the game there was a ton of 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: action and excitement. And then you go to the Chargers game. 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: A lot of turnovers, especially from Geno Smith, and Chargers 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: weren't great, but they got away with a win and 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: now they're two and zero. But there was this moment 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: I believe in the first half it may happen again 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the second half where they showed the coaches box and 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's the offensive coordinator of the Raiders, and you 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: know they always have three guys lined up there, right, 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: You got Chip Kelly and then two other guys in there. 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: They all got their headsets in and they're all taking notes, 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: and then they panned to three other gentlemen sitting above them, 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: and there's Tom Brady, like, where's Waldo. A couple things 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: to think about. One, the optics were at minimum weird. Two, 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: why does he insist on wearing a tie or a 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: suit everywhere he goes? He's like that guy that. I 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: get it. You're rich, you can dress up in all 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: of the finest habitastrey, but you're in a booth watching 42 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: football like everybody else is in a quarter zip. And 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: then the third thing was how does the rest of 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: the league feel about it? I want to discuss that. 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: I'll give you my thoughts in a second. First, you 46 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: heard this from Dan Byer. Let me reiterate what the 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: NFL said via Brian McCarthy, who apparently is their spokesperson. 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: There are no policies that prohibit an owner from sitting 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: in the coaches booth or wearing a headset during a game. 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Brady was sitting in the booth in his capacity as 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: a limited partner. All personnels sitting in a booth must 52 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: abide by policies to prohibit the use of electronic devices 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: other than the league issued equipment, such as a Microsoft 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: Service tablet for the Sideline viewing system. Tom continues to 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: be prohibited to going to a team facility for practices 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: and production meetings. He may attend production meetings remotely, but 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: not attend in person at the team facility or hotel. 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: He may also conduct an interview off site with a player, 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: like he did last year, a couple of times, including 60 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and of course with any production meeting 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: with broadcast teams, it's up to the club, coach or 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: players to determine what they say in these sessions. Now, 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm a really opinionated person. I wouldn't have been able 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: to last in this space if I didn't have strong opinions. 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: But Jay stew likes to accuse me of sitting on 66 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: the fence over some hot button issues. Well, Jason, here's 67 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: my here's my belief on this. Look. There are some 68 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: things that are just all bad, there are some things 69 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: that are all good. In this it is, in fact 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated because it's it's my belief. 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: And remember, I've actually I haven't done a Super Bowl. 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: I was on the set for the Final four, and 73 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: I've done NCAA tournament games up until the Final four 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: on television. And I've done you know, high level college 75 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: basketball games. I've called some NFL games. I worked sideline 76 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: for an NFL TV game as well. So I don't 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: have I haven't worked out as big a broadcasts as Brady, 78 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: not even close. Nor do I have the personal accomplishments 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: of Brady. But I can tell you that I've been 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: in those production meetings. 81 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: And. 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: Here's the first thing I know that you learn things 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: in those meetings or in that Friday practice that you 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't otherwise know. I'll give you an example. The one 85 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: NFL game that I was able to do sidelines for 86 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: the NFL on Fox was Dolphins Broncos. And this is, well, yeah, 87 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: we're getting old, right, this is probably seven years ago, 88 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: seven years ago, and it was the game in which 89 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: uh Man, what was the quarterback Dan Byer from the 90 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: Dolphins who he then went to the Titans played at 91 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: a and m Ryan Tannehill. So, Ryan Tannehill was at 92 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: practice Friday. We walk out to practice on a Friday 93 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they get to two minute 94 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: drill and Ryan Tannehills nowhere to be found. And suddenly 95 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: now the backup quarterback is in four him and I 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: remember we're talking, we're meeting, and we asked Gase, who 97 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: is there? Adam Gase was there? Was their head coach, right, 98 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: We asked him, like, what happened to what happened to 99 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: ten Hill? And so he said he's got some shoulder thing. 100 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: He was fine Tuesday, fine, Wednesday, but it's gotten progressively 101 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: worse and he's a game time decision. I'm like okay. 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: So then their their communication guy comes in and says, hey, 103 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: this is embargoed. You cannot share that information until Sunday. 104 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Like all right, and now look, I'm still, you know, 105 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: hosting this show, I'm still on social media. Nothing. So 106 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: brock Osweiler ends up starting on the way to the game. 107 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: The way to the game, Jay Glazier and had a 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: that Ryan Tannehill was testing out his arm early before 109 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: the Dolphins game and if it wasn't wasn't right, then 110 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: he wouldn't start. And so I made the mistake of tweeting, 111 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: like following up that yeah, that's that's what we'd heard, 112 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: that Ryan Tannehill was a game time decision. And uh, 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: that's what we had observed and been told in a 114 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Friday practice, Right. I was. I thought, you know, Jay 115 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Glazer works for Fox, he's the insider. He hadn't called 116 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: me or asked me. He had different sources, and I 117 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: had simply tried to support his report on the Fox 118 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: NFL Sunday show. The Dolphins were livid, livid because they 119 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: had told me my info was embargoed. Till Sunday. They 120 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: meant the Sunday during the game broadcast, whereas I just 121 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: thought it was Sunday and I worked for Fox. Jay 122 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Glazer worked for Fox. I'm just supporting him. I didn't know. 123 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: They actually complained to the league that I was sharing 124 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: inside information when I wasn't. I didn't know, you know, 125 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: and I had called and asked, and they were like, hey, 126 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: we don't. We won't know until Sunday. We'll let you 127 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: know when we know. The point is that there are 128 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: things that you get when you're at those Friday meetings, 129 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: when you're at the facility. I mean, look, I will 130 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: tell you that I think Mike Tannebaum was the was 131 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: the GM and everybody in that building with Andrew and 132 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: Matt Case was the I mean that was the name. 133 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Adam Gase was the head coach. We were talking about coaches, 134 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: and to a man, anybody who worked in that building said, 135 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: you know who our favorite coach we've had over the 136 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: last ten since Jimmy Johnson left was Dan Campbell. They 137 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: all loved Dan Campbell, like Dan Campbell should have gotten 138 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: the job. Dan Campbell was the right guy. Dan Campbell. 139 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: Unbelieve what this well before Dan Campbell got the Lion's job, 140 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: obviously because he had been the interim with the Dolphins. Anyway, 141 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: these are all things that you get when you're there. 142 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: So there is the bad to it that there is 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: insider info and there are things that you find out 144 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: that you should be able to that you can use 145 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: and share with other people in the league. Here's the 146 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: other side to it. Why it doesn't bother me that 147 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: he's so intricately involved. It can make you an unbelievable broadcaster. 148 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: I always thought that what I tried to do in 149 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: a broadcast was weave in the fact that I'd watched 150 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: more tape than anybody else. I'd been to practice, I'd 151 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: talked to more coaches, and so I had more insight 152 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: than anybody else. That was my goal, and to that 153 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: Brady is not yet, I think, capable of smartly sharing 154 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: what he knows without telling you how he got this information. 155 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: But he can't, like I've never liked guys that call 156 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: a game from thirty thousand feet, Guys that I call 157 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: commentators right where they they don't really know. That's the 158 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: thing that Romo brought to the broadcast when he first 159 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: got out of the league. Was. He had just got 160 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: on a so we knew everything that everybody did because 161 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: he had studied it, prepared for it. He knew what 162 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: they were called, he knew all the different formations, he 163 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: knew exactly where the ball was going before was going okay. 164 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: But then since he's been out of the league, he's not 165 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: as connected, he doesn't grind as much, and now he's 166 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: sort of commentating more than analyzing. So Brady should use 167 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: it to be a super powered broadcaster. He's not again 168 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: because he's not there as a broadcaster. But let's go 169 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: back to the negative side. It's a terrible look for 170 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: the league. It's just I mean, especially when you factor in. 171 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: It's not just that he owns part of the Raiders, 172 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: or that he was at the Raiders practice, or that 173 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: he's wearing a headset at the Raiders game the day 174 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: after working for Fox, and he's got the Bears game 175 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: this week and then the Raiders play the Bears in 176 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: two weeks. It's not just that. It's he worked for 177 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots. He was a quarterback of the Patriots during Spygate. 178 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: It's guilt by association. The Patriots were We're like we're 179 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: told and again we don't know the reality to when 180 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: it went on behind the scenes, did they film practice, 181 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: what did they know, how much did they know, how 182 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: did they share it? How did they filter it? But 183 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: he is Loup didn't remember the Flake gate. Was Brady, 184 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: however guilty he was or not. That's greaty spygate. Brady 185 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: was the quarterback then. So he's part as that Patriot 186 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: lore of doing everything, you know, letter of the law 187 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: or slightly beyond letter of the law to create an advantage. 188 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: Now he's a partial owner of the Raiders, He's heavily 189 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: invested in his partner ownership and wants to share information. 190 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: However much they use it doesn't actually matter optically. I 191 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: don't think anyone could argue this is not a good 192 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: look for the league. And in football circles we all know, 193 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, you've covered this for twenty five years. 194 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: At least, no one's as paranoid as football coaches about 195 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: inside information getting out. 196 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And so with that, like, I'm. 197 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Conflicted a little bit because I do think it should 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: make him a superpower broadcaster, and I do think that 199 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: whatever their relationship, however much he shares, it looks good 200 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: for the Raiders to be like, Hey, we're gonna have 201 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: a guy who's outside of our family, who's arguably the 202 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: most successful, inarguably the most successful quarterback of all time, 203 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: and he's going to give us some insight what he sees, 204 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: what he thinks we could do. He's basically a consultant 205 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: who paid money to be a consultant. But the NFL 206 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't release the statement unless they had calls from probably 207 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: thirty one team slot yesterday like are you kidding me? 208 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: This guy is the lead broadcaster on Fox and he's 209 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: got a headset on in the coach's box during a 210 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: Monday night football game? Are you kidding me? And there's 211 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: a word that's missing from are you kidding me? Now? Dan, 212 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: I know you're not as bothered as other people. 213 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: Why I look at it this way. 214 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: Tom Brady is in the booth for the Raiders as 215 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: an owner. The information that he would get during the 216 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: week for his Fox duties, I think is up to 217 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 4: the teams that he's covering on now what they want 218 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 4: to relate to those broadcasters, And it ultimately ends up 219 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: being a Fox problem if the information related in those 220 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: meetings does not support the broadcast. But I also think 221 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: that the reason that Tom Brady was put in the 222 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: Fox booth is because he's Tom Brady, and the reason 223 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: of the breakdown of the analysis and everything that I've heard, 224 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: and I know Jason has a problem with Brady spot 225 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: in the booth, it doesn't bother me as much because 226 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: I understand why Fox did it, why Fox put him there, 227 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 4: because he's Tom Brady. So ultimately it just doesn't bother 228 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: me because I think it's up to the teams to 229 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: give the information. It's out in them if they want 230 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 4: to reveal it. And I don't even know if it 231 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: matters if Brady is good or bad for Fire because 232 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 4: the reason I feel he's in the booth is because 233 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: he's Dob Brady. 234 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Here's Marcus Spears, of course, longtime former pro he's currently 235 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: analyst on ESPN on what he thinks of Brady being 236 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: in the booth while also calling games. 237 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: It's abhorrent for me for his job. I love it 238 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: for his team. 239 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: You five percent owner of the Las Vegas raterers, sit 240 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 5: way over the hell you want to sit at the game. 241 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 5: If you want to be on the sideline with a 242 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: headset on, go go be on the sideline with the 243 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: head owner the cult owner is this should not happen 244 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 5: with him being a commentator of NFL football games. It 245 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: actually questions the integrity of the NFL. Now, teams have 246 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 5: to be smart and not divulge information when he's on 247 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: a call. 248 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: Here's Dan Patrick on how it looks last night. 249 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 6: I see Tom. He's in the coaches booth. He's there 250 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 6: helping Chip Kelly the offensive courting. He's got a headset 251 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 6: on and I'm thinking, okay, let me look at Tom's 252 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 6: schedule here coming up. That's a direct conflict of interest 253 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 6: right now. Can he do his job for Fox while 254 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 6: being the minority owner of the Raiders when he goes 255 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 6: into talk to Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams because his 256 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 6: job is to glean information. His job is to and 257 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 6: this is what happens in those production meetings the. 258 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 7: Coaches and players. 259 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 6: They'll tell you things, but they're asking you you can't 260 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 6: use this. Don't use this until game day in the 261 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 6: flow of a game. It's really the un unspoken embargo 262 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 6: on information. Well, if you're the Bears and Tom Brady 263 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: comes in knowing you play the Raiders the following week, 264 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 6: then how forthcoming are you? So then Tom's not able 265 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 6: to do his job for Fox. On the surface, it 266 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 6: doesn't look good that he's in there with a headset 267 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 6: on next to the offensive coordinator. The NFL kind of 268 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 6: scoots along and says, yeah, we'll take a little bit 269 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 6: of a hit here, little pr hit, but that's okay. 270 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 6: We still want Tom there. And I understand that. It 271 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 6: just it feels wrong. 272 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: It does, it does. I don't know if it is wrong, 273 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: and I don't think it really runs that deep. Like 274 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: it's like we feel like there's so much insider trading 275 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: and insider information. At the end of the day, every 276 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: play is on tape all twenty two. You can see 277 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: what everybody does. But it's it's kind of how it feels. 278 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Jay Stu, You're you're kind of a neutral bystander in this. 279 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? 280 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 8: I'm a neutral bias sander who watched the opposing team 281 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 8: of the team that I root for last night. Have 282 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 8: someone who gets inside information from teams and can disperse 283 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 8: that information however he likes. Peter Schrager goes on the 284 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 8: air and says that he talks to Chip Kelly two 285 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 8: or three times a week. I think Peter Schrager in 286 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 8: that moment was saying, Hey, how neat is this? How 287 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 8: connected Tom is? He was telling the rest of the 288 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 8: world that Tom Brady is giving information, sharing information with 289 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 8: the people that are about to play a team that 290 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 8: he just did again, I guess, I guess the NFL 291 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 8: statement is that isn't against the rules. I would argue 292 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 8: that it's at very best unethical. The old argument about 293 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 8: the steroid days of baseball, it wasn't against the rules 294 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 8: in baseball. So I'm not going to judge his character wrong. 295 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 8: I could judge your character. You're doing something that is unethical. 296 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 8: You know it looks unethical, and you're brash enough to 297 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 8: sit in the coach's box with a headset on. I 298 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 8: just thought it was a slap in the face to 299 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 8: people that cover the sport. Fox Sports has a decision 300 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 8: to make, and it's very easy. Bring him in studio. 301 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 8: That solves two things. He'll be a much better studio host. 302 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 8: This conflict of interest goes away, and we could actually 303 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 8: watch a very good commentator beyond the A team and 304 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 8: Greg Wilson. 305 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show is a Twitter handle. 306 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: At Gottlieb Show is Instagram as well. 307 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 7: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 308 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 7: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 309 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 7: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 310 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: It's Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All Right, 311 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: I want to talk some Baker, talk some Chargers. Uh, 312 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: we got a lot to get to. Let's get to. 313 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: John Metocoffee joins us. He's a longtime NFL analyst podcaster. 314 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: He's formerly the NFL Scout. Of course worked in college 315 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: football as well. You can hear his show. Okay, the 316 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: podcast is called three and Out in the Volume Podcast Network. 317 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: We'll get to the games in a second. What did 318 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: you think of Brady being in the coaches booth when 319 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: you know he's got a game upcoming next weekend and 320 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: then the Bears play the Raiders in two weeks. 321 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought it was pretty bad optics, 322 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: and I think the word optics can be overused. But 323 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: the three teams that stood out to me that are 324 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: like this is insane would be the Chiefs, Chargers in 325 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: the Broncos. You know, if you're some of these NFC teams, 326 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: you play the Raiders once every four years, you're not 327 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: spending that much time worrying about it. But can you 328 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: imagine being Andy Reid for Sean Payton in their office, 329 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: looking up, seeing him in the booth, no one. He's 330 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: getting access to other gms and other coaches, and you know, 331 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: hearing story even from his broadcast partner, Burke Hard, who's 332 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: stud It's just I can't imagine the division. You can't 333 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: be happy. And it's not even just about this year. 334 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: I mean, the Raiders clearly are not going to be 335 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: that great, but in years to come, more information like 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: Brett Beach and you know, Sean Pate, like they just 337 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: have limitations on the ability to go other places, and 338 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: he did not, and I know that they well relative 339 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: to other broadcasters. He is still in these other buildings, 340 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: He's talking to these guys. It was pretty crazy to 341 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: see him. My headset because this is not a nurse 342 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: sake situation where she's on the sideline. She has no 343 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: clue what they're saying. No, no one would unless you're 344 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: a coach. Tom knows that, like he understands everything that's 345 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: going on. So I was shocked that they brought the 346 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: story back alive. 347 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: Uh, you talk about ESPN, No, I'm. 348 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: Tom, you know the story kind of died, right, people 349 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: weren't really talking about him. 350 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: He was. 351 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: I thought he was doing a pretty good job relative 352 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: to last year this year, but then you know, Monday 353 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: night doubleheader, it's it's especially it's right at the beginning 354 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: of the game. It's like that story of Tom and 355 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: the conflict of interest. I hadn't really heard anyone talking 356 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: about it, and now it's like it was. It was 357 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: a wild thing to see because he's in a suit, 358 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, and everyone else in their chick out fit. 359 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: So it's it's, yeah, it's not gonna go away. And 360 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: if I was a chief for the Broncos and the Chargers, 361 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm making us think of this. I'm not letting this 362 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: go away. 363 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So how do you? I mean, how do you 364 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: fix it? Right, I'm like, he's clearly not going to 365 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: quit the Fox job because he's getting paid a goajillion dollars, 366 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: and he is like, how do you how do you 367 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: fix the league? To this point has has been unwilling 368 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: to do anything about it other than he can't go 369 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: into those he can't go into meetings in person. How 370 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: do you fix it? 371 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 7: Yeah? 372 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: I mean to me, I don't know if they's necessarily 373 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: a fix. 374 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 3: Now. 375 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: Obviously, the only reason he was there because it was 376 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: Monday night football. If Therraiders been playing Sunday, he can't attend. 377 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: So it's not like he's attending all these games. And 378 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: you can't really monitor phones, right because people everyone talks 379 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: to everybody. That's that's not the end of the world. 380 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: It was just optically seeing it. I just can't imagine 381 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: the divisional teams. Uh, you know, they're going to keep 382 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: pushing to try I don't know, I mean trying to 383 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: fan him. 384 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. Like Dan's point, Dan 385 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: Byer's point is that like I I he he actually 386 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with it, And part of me 387 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,239 Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with it either, just because, like 388 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: you said, everybody talks to everybody, right, everybody talks to everybody. 389 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: There's there's not as many secrets as you think there 390 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: are within league circles. You know, but it looks terrible. 391 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: It just it just does. It just looks terrible. I 392 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: do wonder again, I know that Schrager positioned it as 393 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: like it's this is a cool thing. Tom Brady talking 394 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: to Chip Kelly two or three times a week, I 395 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: do wonder if it was ESPN focusing on it because 396 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: he's a Fox guy. I just it's not out of 397 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. All right, let's get to the gate. 398 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: Let me think Tom tried to hide once you realize 399 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: he was on camera. 400 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Why does he wear a suit and tie 401 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: everywhere he goes? 402 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: GM have been like, they don't dress up. You know, 403 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: their own famous owner never dressed up. Their owner now 404 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: doesn't dress up. The Raiders are a casual party. This 405 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: is not New York. You do not need to wear 406 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: a suit too, Raider games. 407 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: No, no, no, you know you know, you do not 408 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: stuck out leave show. Fox Sports Radio. John Midoff joined History. 409 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: Now it's the podcast. Okay, when are we going to 410 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: admit Ginosmith's a good story? But he's just okay as 411 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: a quarterback, right, I mean, isn't that. There's a lot 412 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: of things we can take from last night, but him 413 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: trying to force balls that weren't open in the in 414 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: the in the small, small windows. And he's not that guy. 415 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: Like I love the geno kind of resurgent story, you know, 416 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: And and he's a completely different person and leader and 417 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: player than he was, you know, go back to the 418 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: Jet stays. But like he's he's clearly bumped up against 419 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: his ceiling and people have figured him out over the 420 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: past couple of years. 421 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: Well, I think the issue is, and this is where 422 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: most non life top guys fall is they can look 423 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: good against bad teams or average competition. He did last 424 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: week against the Patriots, who aren't that talented on defense. 425 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: But when he plays good teams, and if you go 426 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: back to Seattle, he had a stretch I think where 427 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: they played the Niners obviously twice a year, and then 428 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: they played him in the playoffs. He was not good 429 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: in those games in twenty two and twenty three when 430 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: the Niners had good teams. He doesn't play well against 431 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: good competition. Well, O were the Chargers. They're a good defense, 432 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: and he looks over man. Now is his team super talented? 433 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: You know, it has its limitations, but he he looks 434 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: like a different guy against the better teams. And that's 435 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: just that's the reality of probably being the whatever he 436 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: had fifteenth to eighteenth best quarterback you know currently starting 437 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Now, relative to the Raiders, I do 438 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: think he gives them a little stability. He just gives 439 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: him a couple of years with Pete to kind of 440 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: get this thing moving, but it was it was pretty 441 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: evident last night that the talent gap I thought between 442 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: the two teams. 443 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Stu Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's John mittlcoff. 444 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: I was listening to a different radio network early this 445 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: morning and they were doing the top five teams in 446 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: the NFL and didn't list the Chargers, and it's like, look, Eagles, 447 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: Ravens look really really good although they lost, you know, 448 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: eek one Bills are clearly there. Packers I think are there. 449 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: But he did not list the Chargers, and when asked 450 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: about it, his reason was like, I've been bitten by 451 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: the Chargers before, Like I've bought into the Chargers before, 452 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: not this time. Okay. So they lose their left tackle, Okay, 453 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: which is fine. They moved the right tackle, you know, 454 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: all to left tackles. Pipkins is decent at right tackle, 455 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: not great. Looks like they lost Khalil Mack. I don't 456 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: know for how long that's a dislocated elbow. I don't 457 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: know if there's how much ligaman damage there is there 458 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: as well, or what that means if you can play 459 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: his position without being able to move your elbow. I 460 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: don't know, but they have looked pretty good and they 461 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: haven't played home games, and you know they they did, 462 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, beat the Chiefs, although the Chiefs rowing too, 463 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: but they beat them fair and square. Where are you 464 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: on the Chargers now? Two weeks in the. 465 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: Left tackle thing, I mean that ended a long time ago. So, 466 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: like I their offense looks pretty good to me. The 467 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: Khalil Mack thing, Like, I'm with you, they are a 468 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: real contender, but that would be a major blow. I mean, 469 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: he's not just an excellent player because he's Khalil Mack 470 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: and highly paid. His resume speaks for herself. But he's 471 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: good against the run. I mean, I mean, the guy 472 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: has Arnold Schwarzenegger nineteen eighty five bisops. You know, for 473 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: the last ten plus years. They're just massive and he's 474 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: playing so well. He's a perfect fit with Jim Harbaugh. 475 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if you really replaced that. You know, 476 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: you could replace your left tackle because you got all 477 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 2: and even hardball last night was like you know, he was. 478 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: He was fantastic last year. He's probably our most improved 479 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: player now. I mean, Joel, it's probably a Hall of Famer, 480 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, and Khalil Mack probably is two and it's 481 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: just harder to play defensive line. But if you tell 482 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: me he's missing a month, I do think if it's serious, 483 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: the the using leverage and stuff with your arm, especially 484 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: the way Khalil plays, I don't know if it's an 485 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: it's an injury you can battle through. Because defensively the 486 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: one thing that really stood out these first couple of weeks. 487 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: They're really good. I mean, they tackle well, their teams speed, fantastic. 488 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: Derwin looks like he's i don't know, like prime Charles 489 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: Woodson flying around the field playing like eight different positions, 490 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: covering everybody. So if you tell me Khalil max that 491 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 2: it will come back in a little while and be fine, 492 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: then I'm pretty bullish. Even if he's gone, I still 493 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: think they are I mean pretty good, I mean offensively. 494 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: Adding Keithan Allen, it was just the ultimate pro to 495 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: go with lad you know, I do think I think 496 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: both running backs that were taking in the first round, 497 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 2: you go with gen Z. Again, he's a talented player, 498 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: but this isn't exactly This isn't Barry Sanders or Walter Payton, 499 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: out there and Hampton to me looks steven. It looks 500 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: a little slow, but not errors had fresh legs, was 501 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 2: running hard last night. That's something to kind of keep 502 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: an eye on the running game because I remember last 503 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: year they had some injuries and they work quite the same. 504 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: But Herbert feels like, you know, we saw two quarterbacks 505 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: last night, Baker and Herbert. 506 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 8: Do. 507 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: I think we're two games in, but you know, I 508 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: think you would feel confident saying that those two guys 509 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: could have MVP type seasons. 510 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: Are the Chiefs fixable? 511 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: Well, they get their two offensive guys back, you know, 512 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: I mean they they used the first round pick Unworthy, 513 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: so you lose him three plays in, especially with his speed, 514 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: that's pretty big blow. And Rashid Wrice is their best receiver. 515 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: So if those guys come back, you know, I think 516 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: the championship medal, the coaching on defense, I mean, their 517 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: defense looked dramatically better now. Granted easier to play Jalen. 518 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: You know a guy that struggling and throw for one 519 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: hundred yards than Herbert right now. But I don't think there. 520 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: We know they're not going to quit or anything, but 521 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: you don't want to dig yourself too far of the whole. 522 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: But I would bet when the dust you know, they're 523 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: ten and seven type team. 524 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron Rodgers can still throw, can't really move and 525 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: we're only in week two? How does this story end? 526 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: Crazy part is I would say week two he did 527 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: throw of the pick in the end zone. But I 528 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: thought the story of the team so far really way 529 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: a defense. Yeah, oh my god, I thought, listen, you know, 530 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: if he just he plays, okay, they have a good 531 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: run game, which they do not have. I mean, the 532 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: Iowa running back has been a disaster. I mean, that's 533 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: an all time dumb play. On Sunday, I would guess 534 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: that he will be a healthy scratch from Tomlin. This 535 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: is a pretty big week for Tomlin to kind of 536 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: rally the truth, especially defensively, like does the Pittsburgh Steelers 537 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: with a tough, physical team, and we got shreaded week one. 538 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: We had a chance to get a stop, get the 539 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: ball back and potentially tie the game, and seatle goes 540 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: right down the field and then is the game. It's 541 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? And and I listen, 542 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: if the Steelers are going to be taken seriously, they 543 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: win this game in New England, and they cover the spread. 544 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: I mean they win this game by ten. If you 545 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: tell me the Steelers lose this game in New England, 546 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: which I think is pretty clear. The Patriots are well 547 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: coached team now with Brabel, or at least the team 548 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: that you would buy stock in for the future. But 549 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: I think this year is going to be pretty bumpy. 550 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: If the Steelers can't win this game, I am completely 551 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: out on them. 552 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: John min Ocoff. The podcast is called three and Out. 553 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: You get to it through the Volume Podcast Network. 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Let's get you to Dan Bayer 564 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: and get to a game. 565 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 7: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 566 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: All right, Doug, the game on this Tuesday is rank them, 567 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: rank the top three teams in the NFL for two 568 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 4: weeks of play. 569 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: Uh no, wrong answers, here, here we go. I got it. 570 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: I just I want to. I want to make sure 571 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm smart about it. 572 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: That's game time. 573 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 8: No, No, I just I think about the podcast because 574 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 8: we can't put the music in the podcast or the 575 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 8: podcast listeners just listening to ten seconds of dead air. 576 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: No, no, it's not dead air. I'm just thinking, guys. Okay, 577 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: I'll put Bills at one. Okay, it works usually I 578 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: work the other way, right, I'll put Bills it one. Uh, 579 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Eagles at two and Packers at three. 580 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: Wow, No Chargers. 581 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: No, I mean i'd like to, but like the Packers 582 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: have beaten two, what I think are playoff teams? Look 583 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: good doing it? You know, the Eagles obviously beat the 584 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys in a close game. It's still hard to tell 585 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: a good the Cowboys up. But they did beat Kansas 586 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: City in Kansas City, and they're the defending champion, so 587 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: there is a carryover from last year. I'm gonna go 588 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: Eagles at two. 589 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: All right, rank your top three MVP candidates so far 590 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: through two weeks of the NFL season. 591 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen one, justin Herbert too. 592 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: And I know who you're going with that number three. 593 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 3: I just I know it. 594 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. 595 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 4: Oh interesting, I did not know it. Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield. 596 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 4: And at number three, all right, where do you think 597 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: I was going? 598 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 3: Let's just say. 599 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 4: Jason Stewart may be touching on this in about ten 600 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: minutes or so. How about that for a tease. I 601 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 4: won't give it away. I just wept the appetite of 602 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 4: the listener. 603 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: All right, cool whip. 604 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: The three best games of the college football weekend coming up? 605 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 4: Doug are what to rank those? Top three? 606 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: Oh? 607 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: I could easily give you the last weekend. I mean 608 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: last week it was awesome. This weekend should also be awesome. 609 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: Three best games of the weekend. Auburn Oklahoma is three? Okay, 610 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: And I know Big Noon Kickoff is going to Texas 611 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: Tech in Utah. It just that's a hard one for me. 612 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: It's a hard one for me. 613 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 4: Here's the other crazy thing about that game. And this 614 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: has happened with Colorado because of Big Noon Kickoff. But 615 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: that's like a ten am kick in Salt Lake City. 616 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: It is think. 617 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: Warm ups eight thirty am. 618 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: We don't worry. They can al drink cough, No they can't. 619 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: I'll go I'll switch that up. 620 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think you have to. 621 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 4: Well, I think Texas Tech Utah is way more appealing 622 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 4: than Auburn Oklahoma because I think that's the top of 623 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 4: the Big Twelve, and I think Auburn, but I think the. 624 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: Big Twelve is a massive step below other leagues. 625 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 4: Yes, but ultimately, and what we're going to see at 626 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 4: the end of the season, we could be seeing one 627 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: of those teams or two. 628 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: Who knows, I'm going to go in Illinois, Indiana three, Okay, 629 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: I'll go Auburn Oklahoma. Two. The issue with actually, screw 630 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: screw that. I'm gonna go Texas Tech Utah to Auburn 631 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: Oklahoma one. And the reason is because one, it's the SEC. Two. 632 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, look, these are two hit more historic programs. 633 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: But three, you know, how can you get away from 634 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: the fact that Jackson Aren't was supposed to be the 635 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: guy at Oklahoma that lasted but three games. Sure, now 636 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: he's the quarterback of Auburn. So yeah, that's number one. 637 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: Okay, And it's. 638 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Played in Norman, where again he was last year. This 639 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: time or right before the season, it was this is 640 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: our next Heisman Trophy, our next number one overallpick. 641 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 4: Doug, rank your top three iconic male actors, this on 642 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 4: the heels of us losing Robert Redford today at the 643 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 4: age of eighty nine. 644 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: Top three. 645 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 3: Yes. 646 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 4: I also thought there was a like a big three 647 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 4: of actors grew well a lot of. 648 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: Most people say Sidney Poitier. 649 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 4: That's David Brent's favorite. If you've watched the UK version 650 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 4: of the Office. 651 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: What's the guy I'll have to think of it next to. 652 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: Paul Newman, Clint Eastwood. 653 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: Make my day? Yeah, I'll go. I'll go Sidney Portier, 654 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood and Robert Redford's game time. So I got 655 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: the show. Game You're on Clock Radio.