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Speaker 1: Previously one after the uprising.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm at nineteen six forty Diamonds Jove when it's

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Speaker 2: a call on fire and my parking lot on the

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Speaker 3: Seals was found shot inside a burning car in Riverview

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Speaker 3: on Diamond Drive. Benjamin Granda is with the Saint Louis

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Speaker 4: I do know that there is a lot of sentiment

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Speaker 4: in the community that they want justice, they want the truth,

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Speaker 4: and we hope to give that to them.

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Speaker 5: There wouldn't go nowhere, no random perfect that he don't know.

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Speaker 5: I believe whoever it was was closing him.

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Speaker 6: He said, no, that's that's nothing wrong with that. But

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Speaker 6: you might want to you might want to pick your

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Speaker 6: enemies better.

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Speaker 4: Now, can I ask you if if the person's facing

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Speaker 4: charges on six murders, then what is the harm and

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Speaker 4: throwing the name out there?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a reed. That was our grade.

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Speaker 2: They used to shott all the time.

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Speaker 7: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand

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Speaker 7: jury deciding not to indict.

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Speaker 8: Off Nigel Darren. Seals was murdered before his killer set

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Speaker 8: his car on fire.

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Speaker 3: Once they put out the flames, the discovered Seal's body

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Speaker 3: inside with a gunshot.

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Speaker 6: You point a gun on me.

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Speaker 2: And I am I footing your other brothers furguson BD

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Speaker 2: grab you by my heart, slam me out the car.

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Speaker 4: He says, you might want you might want to pick

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Speaker 4: your enemies better. This is after the Uprising season two,

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Speaker 4: the murder of Darren Seals.

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Speaker 9: Authorities in Missouri say they may have a series killer.

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Speaker 4: In custod eight there.

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Speaker 8: Was a serial killer walking among.

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Speaker 9: Us I suspected serial killer charged with murders in the

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Speaker 9: Saint Louis area. New chargers again suspected serial killer Perez Reid.

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Speaker 10: The FBI has arrested a man suspected in multiple homicides

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Speaker 10: in Saint Louis City and County. Authority say twenty five

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Speaker 10: year old Perez Reed is now behind bars. Authorities say

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Speaker 10: he is believed to be responsible for six murders and

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Speaker 10: several shootings around Saint Louis and Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: If it was Perez Reid, do you have any reason

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Speaker 2: why he would have wanted to kill your brother?

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Speaker 4: That was our producer John Duffy asking Dante Joshua why

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Speaker 4: he suspects that Perez Reed is the person who killed

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Speaker 4: his twin brother DeAndre. We are asking Dante about this

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Speaker 4: because when his brother DeAndre was killed in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 4: he was shot in the back of the head and

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Speaker 4: the car he was in was set on fire. Because

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Speaker 4: the method of execution was pretty much identical to the

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Speaker 4: method used in the murder of Darren Seals, we thought

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Speaker 4: it was worth comparing notes on the cases. We were

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Speaker 4: surprised first that Dante had a name to give us

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Speaker 4: regarding who he thought had killed his brother, and we

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Speaker 4: were even more surprised when that name was Perez Reid,

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Speaker 4: who was twenty five years old when he was arrested

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Speaker 4: in late twenty twenty one on the suspicion that he'd

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Speaker 4: committed six murders, with another murder added to that list

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Speaker 4: the following year. Dante explained to us that he and

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Speaker 4: his brother had been good friends with Perez.

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Speaker 2: This is Prrizos.

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Speaker 6: Like Perez. We knew him personally. We used to be

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Speaker 6: with him every day.

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Speaker 2: So like when he get attitudes, he used to turn

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Speaker 2: to somebody he you would not think he was when

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Speaker 2: he got mad. Prior to that, he beat another one

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Speaker 2: of our friends. He lost his money in the Dyke's game,

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Speaker 2: and he beat him with a skilley in his house,

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Speaker 2: locked him in his house and beat him with a skilley.

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Speaker 11: Once he lost him.

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Speaker 2: So I know the type of things he did, like

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Speaker 2: like how mad he can get. I don't watch them

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Speaker 2: gamble with each other, and to the point where there

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Speaker 2: know when nobody would try to kill but I do

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Speaker 2: know that there had shot nice with them earlier that

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Speaker 2: So there could have been a reason.

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Speaker 6: And say you did you always suspect him, Oh, my.

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Speaker 2: Cousin did, but I thought it was like I friends,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, he wouldn't do that. There after he started

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Speaker 2: Wards tried to kill his cousin.

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Speaker 8: So I was just putting to the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: And now that he killed their sixteen year old on Glenoy's,

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Speaker 2: he killed Diazo on glen Oy's.

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Speaker 4: The sixteen year old that Dante mentioned who was killed

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Speaker 4: in the same location as his brother DeAndre, was Marne Haynes.

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Speaker 4: She's referred to here in this news report.

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Speaker 10: The youngest victim, sixteen year old Marnee Haynes.

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Speaker 5: She was so bubbly.

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Speaker 12: Every day she would like to arrive.

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Speaker 13: She would like to listen to music all the time.

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Speaker 4: Every single day she would smiled. The day before he

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Speaker 4: allegedly shot and killed Marnee Haynes, Perez allegedly shot a

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Speaker 4: man who was waiting for a bus on Chambers Road

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Speaker 4: in Saint Louis County. That man survived but is now

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Speaker 4: permanently disabled. Four days after shooting the unnamed man at

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Speaker 4: the bus stop, Perez allegedly shot an unnamed woman in

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Speaker 4: the face on West Florisan Avenue in Saint Louis. She

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Speaker 4: was able to make it to a nearby gas station

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Speaker 4: later and a half mile away, at eleven forty five pm,

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Speaker 4: Perez allegedly shot Pamela Abercrombie in the head. Police found

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Speaker 4: her bleeding out in the street, and she died of

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Speaker 4: her wound at the hospital.

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Speaker 9: A memorial for pam Abercrombie on West Florescain chose the

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Speaker 9: passage of time weeks since of hours went up here

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Speaker 9: at the same spot where she was shot on September sixteenth.

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Speaker 4: On September nineteenth, three days after the shooting of Pamela Abercrombie.

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Speaker 4: The body of Kerry Ross was found in a vacant lot.

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Speaker 4: Gunshots had been reported in the area the night before,

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Speaker 4: but officers responding didn't find the victim at the time.

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Speaker 4: The forty caliber shells found at the scene matched those

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Speaker 4: found at the scenes of.

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Speaker 8: The previous victim.

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Speaker 4: One week later, Ferguson police found the body of Lester Robinson.

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Speaker 4: He had been fatally shot in the head. After this spree,

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Speaker 4: Paris seems to have quieted down for a month. At

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Speaker 4: the end of October, he took an Amtrak train from

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Speaker 4: Saint Louis to Kansas City, Kansas. Based on communications, police

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Speaker 4: later found Perez was going to Kansas City ostensibly to

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Speaker 4: meet a woman named Radaja Denaia Farrow to buy drugs

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Speaker 4: from her. She lived in a high rise building, and

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Speaker 4: it was in that building where Perez allegedly killed his

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Speaker 4: three final victims. Radaja herself was one of them, along

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Speaker 8: Are you gonna let her know.

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Speaker 5: That we're here?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 14: Thank you, Sarah, I'm good. Are you a Sherry now,

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Speaker 14: Miss Sherry?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Mob to better understand who Perez was. We went to

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Speaker 1: his aunt's house. She had been his legal guardian.

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Speaker 11: My name is.

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Speaker 14: Maria, and this is Ray and where are you, miss Sherry?

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Speaker 14: I'm miss Sherry. We are coming calming to your house

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Speaker 14: unannounced that we wanted to introduce ourselves. My name is

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Speaker 14: Maria and this is Ray. And Ray's doing some background

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Speaker 14: information about Pearaz and he wanted to ask you a

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Speaker 14: couple of questions, if that's possible, yeah, comment, okay, so

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Speaker 14: everything makes in the paper. We just stick to what's

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Speaker 14: in the.

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Speaker 8: Paper, what they say. Okay, we didn't comment to that. Okay,

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Speaker 8: thank you. Were you able to tell us where he

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Speaker 8: was living around twenty fourteen?

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Speaker 4: Do you know?

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Speaker 15: I have no idea.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what else we should try to talk talk.

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Speaker 6: To to just don't anybody else.

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Speaker 1: That's thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Cherry.

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Speaker 16: Having a day.

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Speaker 1: Since his aunt was unwilling to speak with us, we

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Speaker 1: went to Sam's Meat Market, a small business in Ferguson

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Speaker 1: where we heard Perez previously worked. It was a long shot,

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Speaker 1: but we figured it was worth checking into.

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Speaker 2: Hello is the.

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Speaker 1: Owner here or you the owner?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Is there anybody who has worked here since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 14: Have you so there's not a person who's been working

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Speaker 14: here since twenty thirteen?

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Speaker 6: Oh no, I don't think The.

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Speaker 1: Man working up front was unable to help us. So

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Speaker 1: we went to the kitchen at the back of the

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Speaker 6: Can I ask how long have you been working here? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I've been.

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Speaker 12: Three years?

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Speaker 6: Almost were you over here?

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Speaker 12: When a guy named.

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Speaker 4: Perez Read would move Paraz Read, he would come in.

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Speaker 8: He was arrested late last year like multiple murders and.

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Speaker 4: Said he worked here at one point, still a whole

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Speaker 5: About he.

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Speaker 12: Didn't.

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Speaker 1: It turns out one of the employees who was working

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Speaker 6: They always.

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Speaker 1: You remember him yourself.

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Speaker 14: So he just set like a science hustle aside.

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Speaker 16: He was just kind of come over and sing on

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Speaker 16: the trade's sweet, moved to possible. I'm really probably.

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Speaker 8: Would man after and so yeah, sorry, one more thing,

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Speaker 8: just then leave you alone. But the the if we

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Speaker 4: About him and who he was and what he was

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Speaker 4: all about, is there anybody we could try to talk to,

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Speaker 4: anyone he hung out with.

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Speaker 1: Talk to who, As luck would have it, the employee

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Speaker 1: told us that if we wanted to talk directly to

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Speaker 1: Perez his cousin Caden, we could because he was standing

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're just trying to better understand what happened there.

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Speaker 4: Really, we're just kind of trying to get to know

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Speaker 4: people who knew him and try to figure out what

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Speaker 4: but like why he went off in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: One, Right, he had only a psychiatrist. He knows how

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Speaker 6: to deal with that psycond life.

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Speaker 1: The second man you're hearing was standing outside the market

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Speaker 1: with Caden. He told us he also knew Perez.

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Speaker 8: I like, how would you describe it?

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Speaker 4: He just had like a temper and sometimes he just

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Speaker 4: become another gun.

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Speaker 8: You were annoy a lot. Pared He thought everybody was aftable.

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Speaker 2: Because looking at and following the shit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he held it together for all those years and

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden in twenty twenty one, he

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Speaker 6: He's Freddy, and I could tell you only a psychiatrist

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Speaker 6: can I deal with that?

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Speaker 8: No, he was key then he'd come here mostly to

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Speaker 8: hang out or mostly at work. No, he was just

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Speaker 6: Remember some of his friends.

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Speaker 8: What else would we talk to?

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Speaker 4: You really have many friend.

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Speaker 1: Kiten said, Perez didn't have many friends, but he did

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Speaker 1: have a lawyer, so we called him to see if

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Speaker 1: maybe we could have ranged to speak with Piros himself.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to reach David Bruns. Yeah, hey David, I'm

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Speaker 4: a reporter and a podcaster, and I guess I wanted

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Speaker 8: My name's Ray Novoshlski.

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Speaker 4: I do a podcast called After the Uprising, and there

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Speaker 6: To say right now that No, I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: I'm Pere.

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Speaker 4: Are you still representing him? I absolutely am. Okay, would

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Speaker 1: Perez's attorney was not interested in commenting, and he was

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Speaker 5: My mom helped all the time. Him and my brother

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Speaker 6: What did he do?

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Speaker 17: He was a serial killum.

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Speaker 16: Nobody expected than to be the outcome. I honestly think

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Speaker 12: He was a cool dude.

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Speaker 16: He said the Paris is about twenty seventy after they

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Speaker 8: I do believe he experienced much.

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Speaker 16: A dramatic in his life, which paul him to live

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Speaker 11: It's not much, Stays told me as far as what

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Speaker 4: I'm speaking with Delano Hill. His brother Damon Irvin, was

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Speaker 11: There's only two of us, me and him, So I

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Speaker 6: He never was a street guy.

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Speaker 4: I asked Elano how he first heard that his brother

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Speaker 11: My mother she had called me on Friday, you know

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Speaker 11: They went up there, the police Wood and let him,

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Speaker 11: So I woke up Monday morning planning on the celebrating

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Speaker 5: It was his.

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Speaker 6: And I knew my brother wasn't a killer, so I

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Speaker 8: How long after that did you learn that they'd arrested

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Speaker 4: I wanted to know if Delano had any inkling as

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Speaker 11: The police are very hesitant to give us some information.

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Speaker 11: I don't know what the play was. On Wednesday night,

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Speaker 6: Gotta be a man. You can't call me crying, and

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Speaker 11: You know, the detectives told me Thursday morning.

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Speaker 8: Do you think it was a premonition or do you

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Speaker 5: Was in trouble.

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Speaker 12: We need to understand that I'm just going on what

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Speaker 1: This is Paul Jones, a former teacher who then spent

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Speaker 15: You worked at the Saint Louis County Juvenile Justice Center.

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Speaker 12: Correct, Yes, Saint Louis County Juvenile Detention Center.

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Speaker 12: From nineteen eighty one? I believe, oh, either eighty or

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Speaker 1: In his time working at the juvenile detention center, mister

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Speaker 12: Well, that happens all the time. If they can get

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Speaker 6: You snitched on us, Oh man, I we done with you.

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Speaker 1: And it would also make him a target on the streets.

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Speaker 12: Yes, he would be, because if he'd been told I'm

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Speaker 6: Can come up miss it.

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Speaker 1: Mister Jones has a great memory regarding the specific kids

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Speaker 8: Group was part of.

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Speaker 12: He was with the group of gods that could read

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Speaker 1: Where this gets personal for me is that a young

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Speaker 1: Astonishingly and tragically, Jalen would have been only nine years

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Speaker 1: As he was a miner. His criminal record from that

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Speaker 13: In the detention center.

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Speaker 12: As long as I was there, I would always say

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Speaker 12: Like I said, Paras was in unity white collar crime,

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Speaker 18: And Jalen was in that time. So the time that

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Speaker 18: brought him into the building. I don't remember what brought

452
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Speaker 18: him in the building, but Jalen was in the building.

453
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Speaker 6: First.

454
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Speaker 13: You talked about how he gained the system to specifically

455
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 13: get himself closer to Jalen so he could attack him.

456
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Speaker 13: That makes me wonder if he got into Juvie in

457
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 13: the first place because his brother had been killed and

458
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 13: he wanted to get.

459
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Speaker 19: In so that he could get to the guys crazy.

460
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Speaker 6: Is is some truth to that?

461
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 8: It could be possible.

462
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, quite possible, because like I said, over the years,

463
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 12: sitting back and just observing.

464
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 6: And listening to some of the stories.

465
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 12: Some of the keys didn't do things purposely so that

466
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 12: they could get back into the juvenile system. He didn't

467
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 12: receive him an additional charge for the assault because there's

468
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 12: always fights within the building, and he got out maybe

469
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 12: a week or two EFA. So he really, I mean,

470
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Speaker 12: I would say he planned all this.

471
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Speaker 8: You mostly recall him because of that incident, Yes, gotcha.

472
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 6: So do you know how long he.

473
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Speaker 8: Maybe had been in before that?

474
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 12: No, And I know he had been through the building.

475
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Speaker 1: But it surprised you to know that Perez committed arson

476
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Speaker 1: on his own family's home.

477
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 13: No, they wouldn't sur No.

478
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 12: I've seen a lot of those.

479
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: Darren Seals was killed in the early morning hours of

480
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Speaker 4: September sixth, twenty sixteen, almost exactly one month before. On

481
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: August second, Perez Reed tried to set a house on

482
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 4: fire while several people were still inside. Those people were

483
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: all Perez's family members.

484
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 9: A substructed serial killer charged with murders in the Saint

485
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 9: Louis area was accused of arson five years ago, but

486
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 9: despite facing prosecution, the case against Perez Reid was dropped.

487
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 7: All signs of a fire that happened here five years

488
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 7: ago are gone. The sighting is new, so was the

489
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 7: garage door. It was a different story in August of

490
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen when Ferguson police say Perez Reed set this

491
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 7: attached garage on fire, even though four members of his

492
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 7: family were inside the home. A police report says Reed's

493
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 7: father and cousin and grandmother were huddled together and visibly

494
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 7: shaking when officers arrived, and that they were willing to

495
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 7: prosecute the twenty year old.

496
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: Fortunately, everyone inside the home was okay, and only the

497
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 4: garage seems to have suffered major damage. At the time,

498
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: Bob McCullough was the prosecuting attorney for Saint Louis County,

499
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: and he charged Perez Reaied with first degree arson, which

500
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: is a felony punishable by anywhere from five to fifteen

501
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: years in prison. But in twenty nineteen those charges were

502
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: dropped for failure to prosecute. The prosecuting attorney overseeing the

503
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 4: case by that time was Wesley Bell. This is what

504
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: mister Bell said at a press conference regarding that failure

505
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: to prosecute.

506
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Speaker 11: From my knowledge, that was witnesses who were not willing

507
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 11: to testify, family members who were not willing to cooperate.

508
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 8: His is not surprising.

509
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 12: He has been fortunate enough that somebody always have done

510
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 12: his paperwork wrong that he always wind up back out

511
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 12: on the street to do more damage.

512
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 4: Perez was out on the streets again after his assault

513
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: on Jalen Jefferson in time to possibly have killed DeAndre

514
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: Joshua In twenty fourteen, two years later, after setting fire

515
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: to his grandmother's property, he was let out on a

516
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: failure to prosecute. Jalen was also released, which is how

517
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: he was able to kill Curtis Marshall, a crime for

518
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: which there was also a failure to prosecut which left

519
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: him free to kill Maria's cousin Isis, as the primary

520
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 4: witness in her case, was also murdered. Jalen and his

521
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 4: co defendant have again been released onto the streets of

522
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: Saint Louis. We asked mister Jones what he thought needed

523
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 4: to be reformed to make it so that fewer children

524
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: ended up like Jalen Jefferson or Peariz.

525
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 12: Read well to be truthful. Well, for the first question,

526
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 12: what would I like to see the same thing that

527
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 12: deterred me from going to Juno, Because there's a lot

528
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 12: of single women trying to raise little boys. And once

529
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 12: a little boy gets strong enough, he is not listening.

530
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 19: Cool mom, Grandma, uh great eye. Well, little boy always

531
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 19: need a male somewhere in his life. Is just to

532
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 19: keep him in lying without the male influence his life.

533
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 19: And I would always tell the kids in the building,

534
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 19: this is why White America is building all these prisons.

535
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 19: They are afraid of you.

536
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 12: And since you out here acting like an animal, most

537
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 12: animals they put down or they put them in a cage.

538
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 12: And that's where you guys are hit it.

539
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: In July twenty twenty three, mister Paul Jones passed away.

540
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: He was my friend, he was my confidante. He was

541
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: a lovely, god feary man and I will miss him

542
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: more after the break.

543
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 8: Now back to the show.

544
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: I understand that DeAndre Joshua was not an activist in

545
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: the same sense and was not in the same.

546
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 8: Category as Darren Seals.

547
00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 6: We took a shot.

548
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: We gave a call to his family members and some

549
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: people in his orbit. And do you know about this

550
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: guy Perez Red that was arrested last year?

551
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: I heard about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about him.

552
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm talking to Tef Poe If you listen to

553
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: season one of our show, you'll remember that he's a

554
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: native of Saint Louis, a rapper and an activist. As

555
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: someone who knew Darren Seals personally, we thought it was

556
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: important to get TEF's perspective on his killing and to

557
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: share with him the question of whether or not it

558
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: made any sense to try to connect Perez Read to

559
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: Darren's death. So we thought this was a good trail

560
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: at we look at his further record. Twenty sixteen, he

561
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: tries to light a house on fire right near the

562
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: Canfield apartments, so when Wesley Bell comes in, he tries

563
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: to prosecute him. In twenty nineteen, Wesley Bell has a

564
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: failure to prosecute and sees the guy get out on

565
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: that charge in twenty nineteen, and I'm wondering why this

566
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: guy is so fintouchical.

567
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 17: I'm gonna tell you why, man, because he's from from

568
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 17: what I hear, from what you described it, the.

569
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Speaker 6: Motherfucker is a shoulder. The motherfucker is a killer.

570
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 8: So just no one's going to talk about him.

571
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 17: Man, They don't want to deal with If he's like that,

572
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 17: then and he comes from a small gang, then those

573
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 17: small gangs are usually the most violent wants those small gangs.

574
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 6: Everybody in a small gang is pretty much a shooter.

575
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 6: It sounds like to me, he's just from a shooter gang,

576
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 6: and people don't want to deal.

577
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: With From Juvian, he was starting fires Arson and they

578
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: had thought that he was a sociopath at that time.

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: In twenty fourteen, he's he's living adjacent to the Canfield

580
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: Departments and he's playing dice game on the regular with

581
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: DeAndre Joshua.

582
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Speaker 8: And on the day of the non indictment.

583
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: That late that night or early the next morning is

584
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: of course when DeAndre was shot through the window of

585
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: his car and it was attempted to be lit on

586
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: fire but unsuccessfully, right off the Canfield apartments. He had

587
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: just taken a ton of money from Perez on a

588
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: dice game. So DeAndre gets shot through a car, attempted

589
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: the light on fire. Darren's found in a car lit

590
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: on fire. We had this like whole like you know,

591
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: theory that like maybe this is all essentially this Perez read.

592
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you never fucking know, But

593
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 6: I don't I don't really think so.

594
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: Tef wasn't really buying the potential pairs read connection to

595
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: Darren's murder, which was fair enough.

596
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 17: The general opinion about what happened to Seals is dead,

597
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 17: he crossed. And this is where where she gets really confusing,

598
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 17: because the activist community believes one thing, and then the

599
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 17: streets believe another.

600
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 6: And honestly, the streets pretty much absolved the fucking murder.

601
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 17: But uh, nobody really listens to like those voices could

602
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 17: there like, well, where's your evidence? The evidence is pretty

603
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 17: much in the in the for us in the admitted,

604
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 17: the admittance from it of.

605
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 6: The people who are in the community kind of you know,

606
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: soft finessing that they know what happened and this is

607
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 6: how it happened, you know. But and that story is

608
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: what basically man, I mean, he was in the streets before. Man,

609
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 6: he was dealing with this dude named Jay Bird. Bird

610
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 6: is locked up. Sills is supposed to be taking care

611
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: of some ship for his family. It didn't go. It

612
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 6: didn't go as it was supposed to go. Two weeks

613
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 6: before he.

614
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 17: Died, he kind of start of shifting and hanging out

615
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 17: out with some cats that none of us really trusted, and.

616
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 6: They lined them up. Man, That's pretty much it.

617
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 17: And then you know the dude, one of the guys

618
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 17: that was responsible for the lineup I think two thousand

619
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 17: and twenty. He was gunned down in his front yard

620
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 17: of his mother's home, pretty much his retaliation.

621
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 6: For the situation with Seals.

622
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 8: Are you able to give that name since the guy's gone.

623
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: I used to know it, but I fucking forgot it.

624
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 6: It's a rapper man, he's in videos with him and everything.

625
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 17: And then even honestly, if you know Sials, you kind of.

626
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 6: Know it wasn't no fucking conspiracy. I just knew that

627
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 6: dude well enough to note when they.

628
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 17: Told me the story hot spelled out, I didn't get

629
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 17: a hint of foul playing that personally. I knew him

630
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 17: to be a person who would drop his girl off

631
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 17: at the crib, say I'm going to fuck with some

632
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 17: movement people.

633
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 6: Your girl don't know what that means.

634
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 17: Two o'clock in the morning, and you're fucking popping the

635
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 17: internet activists at this point, knowing in the streets, known

636
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 17: in the.

637
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 6: Community, Hey, all right, shit, you've been out three o'clock

638
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 6: in the morning dealing with others this whole time, so.

639
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 17: Maybe that's valid. You fucking dropped her off, which I've

640
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 17: seen him do his countless times because I've been within

641
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 17: him when he did shit like this, And his main

642
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 17: problem was he liked the ladies. Man, so he pulled

643
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 17: up on a girl. The girl was in on the shit.

644
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 17: They set his ass up like for like this. We

645
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 17: used to have this thing called principles and values, so

646
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 17: you know where we'll be like, we'll spell it out,

647
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 17: you know, for each other. So it's like, if I

648
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 17: get caught doing this, yeah it's a chance I did that.

649
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 17: If I get caught doing this, you know, damn well,

650
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 17: I'm not even into that. So it spells out issue

651
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 17: that he was into it doesn't like for his actual

652
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 17: associates and friends. It's not a man.

653
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: What the fuck was he doing over there? And how

654
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 6: did that man? The dude got shot up? Before he

655
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 6: was even in the movement.

656
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: Teff seems to have bits and pieces of a story.

657
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: A guy named Jaybird who was in jail, strange new

658
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: people in Darren's life that Teff didn't trust, a nameless

659
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: rapper gunned down in his mother's yard, and a woman

660
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: who was maybe used as bait. Were all of these

661
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: elements actually at play in Darren's death or any of them.

662
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: I asked Tef if he knew specifically how Darren was

663
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 4: lured to the location where he was killed.

664
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Speaker 17: I never heard that part of the logic of how

665
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 17: they got him out of the house it was music

666
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 17: related people who killed him.

667
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: I know that if Tef was convinced it was people

668
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: in the rap game that had killed Darren, we were

669
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: curious what the motive would have been.

670
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Speaker 6: You know, Sis was a good dude. At the same

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Speaker 6: time he was he was quick to make enemies, man,

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm.

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Speaker 17: Saying, Like even the first day I met the dude,

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Speaker 17: he was like going in my throat and everybody was like, yo, dude,

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Speaker 17: we don't even know how Polgan responded this shit. Introduced

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Speaker 17: yourself to the dude first, you know.

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Speaker 6: What I'm saying. I chopped it up with him. It

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Speaker 6: wasn't that big of a deal.

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Speaker 17: But at the same time, there are the other people

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Speaker 17: who know who aren't going to meet that energy, hid

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Speaker 17: on out of fear, out of whatever anxieties they may have.

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Speaker 17: I just feel like in his personal entanglements, we just

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Speaker 17: don't know the depths of those, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: But I know he was in the.

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Speaker 6: Streets, and he wasn't. He wasn't faking the streets. You

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. The motherfucker's nickname was d Boy.

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Speaker 6: Don't boy.

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Speaker 17: I mean, come on, man, he was a fucking drug dealer.

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Speaker 17: That shit don't leave you just because you went outside

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Speaker 17: and started. You know, critique in black lives matter as

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Speaker 17: seeing it. You know, you still got a life that

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Speaker 17: has a tab on it from your past endeavors, you.

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Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: As well connected as Tef po is to the various

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Speaker 1: communities and subcultures involved, it's hard not to take his

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Speaker 1: opinion seriously. Despite the similarities and how both DeAndre Joshua

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Speaker 1: and Darren Seals died, it doesn't necessarily mean the two

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Speaker 1: killings are connected, and for what it's worth, we don't

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Speaker 1: actually know for certain who killed DeAndre, even though his

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Speaker 1: brother Dante believes Perez Read was responsible at this point,

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Speaker 1: that is only speculation. For his part, Tef Poe believes

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Speaker 1: that someone or a group of someone's that Darren was

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Speaker 1: connected to in the world of music were the people

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Speaker 1: behind his murder, and he believes it's possible that one

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Speaker 1: of them has already been killed as an act of retribution,

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Speaker 1: though he says he doesn't remember specific names, So who

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Speaker 1: are these people? Who could they be? That's next time

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