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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Christal Steed?

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Speaker 1: We do lots of interesting news breaking this morning. First

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Speaker 1: of all, we've got some new news about Americans and

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Speaker 1: the amount of credit card debt that they hold. The

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Speaker 1: numbers are pretty stunning, so break all of that down

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Speaker 1: for you. We also have additional information about Center and

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Speaker 1: Diane and Feinstein apparently suffering a fall. We'll break that

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Speaker 1: down for you what it means for a very important

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Speaker 4: There was an FBI raid yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We know very little about it, but a man who

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Speaker 1: had been apparently making threats against Joe Biden was killed

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Speaker 1: We also have some new news with regard to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Apparently his Twitter account was peanut by Jack Smith. And

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Speaker 1: also he is making some comments about whether or not

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Speaker 4: This is going to be a big one.

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Speaker 1: Ken Clippenstein has published a report on UFO whistleblower Dave

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, So we have been really trying to

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Speaker 1: dig into the state of the economy, which is a

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Speaker 1: the screen. So American credit card debt has officially hit

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Speaker 1: one trillion dollars for the first time ever. Percy NBC.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge test for cardholders which is coming.

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Speaker 1: You can see credit card balances here, you know, going

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Speaker 1: Total credit card debt rose nearly five percent, or about

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Speaker 1: Delinquency rates still continue to be relatively low by historical standards. However,

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Speaker 1: the hell it is now showing the levels of debt.

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Speaker 1: So Americans really increasingly loaded up with debt, needing their

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Speaker 2: It's a huge problem. One of the things that they

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Speaker 2: reflecting the high dollar value of originated loans aka, cars

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Speaker 2: cost way too much money right now and people have

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Speaker 2: And you know, the sad part is not just the balances.

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it takes this a genius

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Speaker 1: And we have some statistics about exactly that. Let's put

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Speaker 1: They compiled some of the statistics about what they described

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Speaker 1: based on these survey results, fourteen million Americans have over

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Speaker 1: Fifteen percent have had credit card debts, stretching back decades

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Speaker 1: does that mean that debtload can truly be crushing? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is downstream of everything, and this is

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Speaker 2: This is why a lot of my friends who go

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Speaker 2: what do they do. They don't want to start a business.

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Speaker 5: So a couple of things, Victor. Look, as we know,

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Speaker 1: Now, that's actually a good question. Why literally fuse his

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Speaker 1: Case is that no, no, no, people are actually doing

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Speaker 1: better than they think. They're just not getting the message

440
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Speaker 1: down about all the great things that we've done for them.

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Speaker 1: And so the model that they're going back to, intentionally

442
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Speaker 1: or not, based on this reporting from the Washitting Examiner,

443
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Speaker 1: is they want to go back to the rollout of

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Speaker 1: the vaccines, the push that they made to try to

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Speaker 1: get people vaccinated, and they're going to use some of

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Speaker 1: the relational organizing and leaning into trusted messengers quote unquote

447
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Speaker 1: within communities or social media influencers to try to persuade

448
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Speaker 1: the public that actually Bidenomics is good, Actually you're doing great,

449
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Speaker 1: Actually the economy is really wonderful, and you just don't understand.

450
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Speaker 1: That's their theory of how they're going to pull this off,

451
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Speaker 1: and color me skeptical.

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Speaker 4: Soccer, Yeah, that's gonna work.

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Speaker 3: You should be skeptical.

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Speaker 2: That basically kind of what my friend Christian Daytok lays

455
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Speaker 2: out there in the report is that they recognize the

456
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Speaker 2: Bidenomics framing is not exactly a landing, but they are

457
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Speaker 2: not one hundred percent sure what else to do. Like

458
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Speaker 2: you said, they think it's a messaging issue, but messaging

459
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Speaker 2: is not the problem. Reality is the problem. And you know,

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Speaker 2: until they really get that through their heads, they're just

461
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Speaker 2: going to be in the precarious situation that they don't

462
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Speaker 2: have to be in where Trump very easily could win again.

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Speaker 2: I think he stands as good a shot as any

464
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Speaker 2: ro Honestly, I would put it in fifty to fifty today.

465
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Speaker 2: And yet it didn't have to be that way. It's

466
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Speaker 2: entirely a choice of his own making. And you know,

467
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Speaker 2: now it's an affirmative choice to go which said Bidenomics,

468
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Speaker 2: like I was saying, And if he doesn't digit and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it, I think because Crystal, he

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Speaker 2: genuinely believes in his heart that it's some sort of

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Speaker 2: messaging issue and or that people just don't understand how

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Speaker 2: good they have it. I really think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: I think his advisors are telling him, look at these

474
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Speaker 2: fake numbers about where everything is better, and he's like, Yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to beat these big this into the

476
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Speaker 2: head of people. And that's just not how politics works.

477
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Speaker 2: He's got to meet people where they are.

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Speaker 1: It's that and it's a lack of desire to have

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Speaker 1: to actually promise anything. Sure, and since he's you know,

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Speaker 1: unwilling to debate his primary competitors, that means there's not

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Speaker 1: any pressure on him to promise anything in terms of actual,

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Speaker 1: like material benefits to the American people. So some of

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Speaker 1: the things that you know they've supported in the past,

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Speaker 1: like the child tax credit that was very successful, none

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Speaker 1: of these have been made as anything approaching a concrete

486
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Speaker 1: pitch for the next term. So, you know, their theory

487
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Speaker 1: continues to be if we can just unite the anti

488
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Speaker 1: Trump coalition and keep it all focused around Donald Trump

489
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Speaker 1: and the fact that you know it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a series of trial dates and new indictments and discovery

491
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Speaker 1: and all of these things that are happening during the

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Speaker 1: campaign season. It's very possible that that theory works out

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Speaker 1: for them.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying. I'm not saying that it's.

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Speaker 1: Like doomed to fail, but that's cold comfort to people

496
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Speaker 1: who really could use some help from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: Help that you know, they were starting to get at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this administration, and they've seen pulled out

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Speaker 1: piece by piece over the course of the past several years.

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Speaker 2: A lot of this actually relates to our next story.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, put this up there on the screen,

502
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Speaker 2: which you know, it's difficult to talk about this. We

503
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Speaker 2: have to try and keep empathy and also try to

504
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Speaker 2: think about this in a public realm. Senator Dianne Feinstein, yesterday,

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Speaker 2: ninety years old, fell at home and had to go

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Speaker 2: to the hospital. Her office claims, quote that the scans

507
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Speaker 2: are clear. She has quote briefly went to the hospital

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Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon. Is a precaution after a minor fall in

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Speaker 2: her home, Like I said, her office says that she

510
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Speaker 2: was clear. Senator Schumer said in a statement that he

511
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Speaker 2: spoke with her on Wednesday morning. She says that she

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Speaker 2: suffered no injuries and briefly went to their quote. I

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Speaker 2: am glad she's back at home now and she is

514
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Speaker 2: doing well. But this comes crystal after she missed work

515
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Speaker 2: for literally months on end. She was absent when she

516
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Speaker 2: did return. Let's be honest. I mean, you can see

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Speaker 2: that photo. That's probably a good one compared to what

518
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Speaker 2: it looks like she's wheeled around the Capitol. She clearly

519
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Speaker 2: is suffering several episodes where she forgets where she is.

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Speaker 2: I did the infamous clip that we showed everyone here

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Speaker 2: where they just said just vote I as she kind

522
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Speaker 2: of has like a rambling episode. The thing is is

523
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Speaker 2: that whenever it comes to her health and to Senator McConnell,

524
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Speaker 2: how do we know we're being told the truth? I mean,

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Speaker 2: don't forget we were hidden from the fact her office

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Speaker 2: hit that she had actually suffered an episode on top

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Speaker 2: of what had happened while she was at home during

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Speaker 2: those three months, not just from recuperating, but actually suffering

529
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Speaker 2: like a pretty serious health event that we didn't learn

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Speaker 2: until reporters had to kind of dig around the people

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Speaker 2: around her. We also have a secondary indication of, frankly,

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Speaker 2: just how out of it Dianne Feinstein is. Let's go

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Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen, guys. She

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Speaker 2: has currently seeded the power of attorney to her daughter. Okay,

535
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Speaker 2: she has seated power of attorney to her daughter in

536
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Speaker 2: what effectively amounts to like a what is it like

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Speaker 2: an inheritance dispute after her very rich husband passed away. Basically,

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Speaker 2: the power of attorney is to her sixty six year

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Speaker 2: old daughter, Catherine Katherine Feinstein, to help handle the legal

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Speaker 2: battles over her late husband, Richard Bloom's estate. Basically, Katherine Feinstein,

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Speaker 2: the only child, is at odds with the other three

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Speaker 2: daughters of a previous marriage over the ownership of luxury

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Speaker 2: beach house owned by Feinstein. If only we were all

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Speaker 2: so lucky, honestly to be able to feud with our

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Speaker 2: step paciblis or something like this. The point, though, is

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Speaker 2: that she does not have the mental capacity, it seems,

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Speaker 2: to deal or to represent her own financial interest in

548
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Speaker 2: this case, is willing to turn it over, and yet

549
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Speaker 2: wants to represent some forty million people the state of

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Speaker 2: California in the United States Senate, Can we think of

551
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Speaker 2: two twin news items which should, at the very least

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Speaker 2: in the eyes of what one hundred percent of the

553
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Speaker 2: American public just be like you got to go. I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry you know you can't be here anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly think you did the best commentary

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Speaker 1: that I've seen on this whole situation, which is it.

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Speaker 4: It really is a failure.

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Speaker 1: Of democracy that we have Diane Feinstein propped up, didn't

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Speaker 1: have to debate, so people didn't really feel, you know,

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Speaker 1: they weren't able to evaluate their choices whatsoever. She's still

561
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Speaker 1: being propped up by Nancy Pelosi. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: this is utterly disgraceful. Like Pelosi knows exactly what's going

563
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Speaker 1: on with Finstein, and I'm sure has known for quite

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Speaker 1: some time exactly what's going on with Einstein, but she's

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Speaker 1: using her as a pawn in order to try to

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Speaker 1: get her chosen successor, Adam Schiff, who's like one of

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Speaker 1: the worst Democrats in Congress, into her Senate seat. And

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Speaker 1: the backstory here for those who haven't followed this is

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has said if Diane Feinstein wor to retire

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Speaker 1: and there was a Senate opening, he would appoint a

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Speaker 1: black woman into that seat. That black woman very likely

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Speaker 1: to be Barbara Lee, who is running in the Senate

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Speaker 1: primary against Adam Schiff and against by the way, Katie

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Speaker 1: Porter so in order to forestall that from happening, Pelosi

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Speaker 1: has tried to prop up Feinstein and keep her in

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Speaker 1: place in spite of the fact that, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is an insane situation. She can't trust herself, she can't

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Speaker 1: be trusted to handle her personal financial affairs, but she

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Speaker 1: can cast votes on massive like multi trillion dollar Pentagon

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Speaker 1: budgets and the like.

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Speaker 4: This is pure insanity.

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Speaker 1: And it's not an accident that the fact that we

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Speaker 1: have this incredibly aged Senate, like historically historically old by

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Speaker 1: our country's standards, comes at a time when you have

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Speaker 1: a total democratic breakdown in terms of people of being

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Speaker 1: able to evaluate their choices, in terms of the influence

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Speaker 1: of big money in politics, in terms of this isn't

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Speaker 1: relevant to the Senate, but relevant to the House, in

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Speaker 1: terms of jerry mandering and all of these other pieces

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Speaker 1: that have conspired to keep power out of the hands

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Speaker 1: of the people. That's how you end up with someone

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Speaker 1: like this in such a position of incredible power, when

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Speaker 1: you know, if you pull Californians, if you poll certainly

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Speaker 1: pull the nation, this is not what they want to

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Speaker 1: see in terms of their representation.

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Speaker 2: It's not right. It's just not right in any sense

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Speaker 2: of the word. You got somebody here who is clearly

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Speaker 2: you know, and this is we've also talked about this.

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Speaker 2: At this point, she is probably so far gone that

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Speaker 2: it's not really on her as much as it once was,

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Speaker 2: although I do still think she has a titanic ego

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Speaker 2: for hanging on at least getting to this point. It

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Speaker 2: is now an indictment of all the people around her,

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Speaker 2: her sixty six year old daughter, of her you know staff,

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Speaker 2: who is around here, miss just vote I of all

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Speaker 2: the senators who are covering this up on our behalf

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Speaker 2: of Governor Newsom, and of all these people, I mean Rocanna,

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Speaker 2: to his credit, is basically the only guy and elected

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Speaker 2: member of the Democratic Party. Was like, I'm sorry, you

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Speaker 2: got to go all right like this, We thank you

611
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Speaker 2: for your service, but like you got to walk here.

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Speaker 2: It's not fair to your constituents. And I've laid it

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Speaker 2: out here before, you know, because senior senators like this

614
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Speaker 2: are immensely powerful people. If they want to be, you

615
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: can work on behalf of your constituents. There are forty

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Speaker 2: million people who effectively have no real advocate, and everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: but her office can handle it. Sorry, I know how

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Speaker 2: it works. Senators are on the phone all the time.

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Speaker 2: California based company gets he needs a trade exemption or

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Speaker 2: something like that. They employed let's say, one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: people or whatever in the state. They've basically got to

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Speaker 2: go to Padilla, who is He's a junior guy. He

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Speaker 2: has no senator, he's no seniority. They don't have the

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Speaker 2: adequate representation that they deserve. In my opinion, an every

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Speaker 2: American citizen deserves that to have somebody fighting on their

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Speaker 2: behalf as an elected representative. So I think that that,

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Speaker 2: to me is what really bothers me. And like you said,

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Speaker 2: this is all around so that you don't want want

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Speaker 2: what is it You don't want a progressive to be

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Speaker 2: in the setate? Yes, Like, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Here, Tody who is like also a stooge of the

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Speaker 1: deep state and was like the worst Russian russiagator in

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Speaker 1: this whole town, has to be him, Can be Barbaraly?

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Speaker 1: Canpy Katie Porter? Has to be him? It is crazy,

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely crazy. And you know, the American people,

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Speaker 1: the voters in California, they didn't vote for Pelosi's staffers

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Speaker 1: to represent them. I mean, sorry, not Pelosi Feinstein's covers

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Speaker 1: to represent them. They voted because they thought they know

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Speaker 1: I was basically hidden from them the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 1: And now they're having very much buyer's reporse, but don't

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to do anything different. Sure, can the

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Speaker 1: office run on autopilot? Absolutely? Is this anything approaching representative democracy?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And when you pair it with, you know,

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Speaker 1: the troubles of Mitch McConnell is having and the overall

645
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Speaker 1: age of the Senate, it is a really sad state

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Speaker 1: of affairs and a sign of a decaying empire that

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Speaker 1: we live in here.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely right. Okay, let's go to the next part here.

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Speaker 2: Really crazy story that happened unfolded all throughout yesterday. The

650
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Speaker 2: FBI shot and killed a man in a raid in

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Speaker 2: connection with threats against President Biden while President Biden is

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Speaker 2: in the West and traveling. This incident occurred in Provo, Utah.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Craig Robertson was shot and killed during this FBI raid

655
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Speaker 2: that happened on early Wednesday morning as part of investigating

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Speaker 2: threats against President Biden that were made on social media.

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Speaker 2: This was made done by the FBI in Salt Lake

658
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Speaker 2: City and the office that they have based out of there.

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Speaker 2: They said, quote in accordance with FBI policy. The shooting

660
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Speaker 2: incident is now under review. As it's an ongoing matter.

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Speaker 2: We have no further details to provide. He was facing

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Speaker 2: actually three counts, according to the complaint, interstate threats, threats

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Speaker 2: against the President of the United States, and influencing, impeding,

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Speaker 2: and retaliating against federal law enforcements by threat. Some of

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Speaker 2: the social media posts here by mister Robertson are particularly troubling.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put the next one up here on

667
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Speaker 2: the screen. You can actually just see some evidence. I mean, look,

668
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Speaker 2: it's not illegal to have guns, but he was posting

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Speaker 2: them in a manner. He says, quote when this government

670
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Speaker 2: crumbles under its own evil and corruption, food, water, and

671
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Speaker 2: arms and ammunition will be necessary to survive. Nine words

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Speaker 2: you don't want to hear from government, and we are

673
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: here to help. Photos of himself in full body armor

674
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Speaker 2: the actual thing though, and we're not really we don't

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Speaker 2: think we're able to show these to you, but they

676
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Speaker 2: are the actual threats Crystal that he made on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: The threats themselves were pretty troubling because they included really

678
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Speaker 2: not only threats against President Biden, but also like, hey, FBI,

679
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Speaker 2: are you listening. If you are, let me know so

680
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Speaker 2: I can have a gun or weapons like ready to

681
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Speaker 2: meet you. But you know, we do still have a

682
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Speaker 2: lot of questions around this incident. It's like this is

683
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Speaker 2: an early morning raid. It's kind of an older and

684
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Speaker 2: I mean, was he expecting said, you know, raid? Like

685
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Speaker 2: what are the details here as to why like this

686
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Speaker 2: ended up resulting in a death? And of course this

687
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Speaker 2: also happened while the president is traveling abroad, Like what

688
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: exactly was going on here? So yeah, I mean it's

689
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Speaker 2: a sad situation right now. He's an elderly gentleman. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not defending the guy like he's posting

691
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Speaker 2: openly on Facebook being like I want to kill the

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Speaker 2: president and then posting, uh, you know, things with like

693
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Speaker 2: his guns and body armor and all that. But we

694
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Speaker 2: still have to do sub scrutiny here on the official

695
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Speaker 2: side of the story, like how did this all go down?

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Speaker 2: Was this even necessary? You know, what exactly was the search?

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Speaker 2: Weren't like being was he being arrested? Like what are

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Speaker 2: the what's the circumstances here of this what's going on here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And did he I mean, was holding shoot you right exactly?

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Speaker 1: Was it justified that? I mean, yeah, don't make threats

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Speaker 1: against the president. The threats that were made were very specific.

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Speaker 1: He said, Biden is coming to Utah, which is where

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Speaker 1: this man lived in Provo, Utah, digging out my old

705
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Speaker 1: gilly student, cleaning the dust off the M twenty four

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Speaker 1: st niper arrival. And there were other threats that were

707
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Speaker 1: very similar. And I think the reason that they ended

708
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Speaker 1: up trying to brand him in this raid was because

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Speaker 1: usually for a threat to be credible, there has to

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Speaker 1: be some specificity to it. So the fact that Biden

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Speaker 1: was coming to Utah and he's talking specifically about, you know,

712
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Speaker 1: threatening him in the state of Utah is probably what

713
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Speaker 1: led them to take this action. But yeah, an FBI

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Speaker 1: raid for threats is one thing. But there's no indication

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Speaker 1: thus far, they haven't indicated that anyone who was involved

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Speaker 1: in the raid was injured.

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Speaker 4: He had posted.

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Speaker 1: Some threats the effect of like, oh, if the FBI

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Speaker 1: shows up on my gunsloaded, is that what happened? There

720
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Speaker 1: are just still a lot of questions about how this

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Speaker 1: all went down and the circumstances that led to this

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Speaker 1: man who should not have been making threats against the president,

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Speaker 1: but this man ending up dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the odd thing about it is, I mean,

725
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Speaker 2: and again, I want to be clear here. He was

726
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Speaker 2: posting some pretty crazy stuff like here, let me read

727
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Speaker 2: you one, Alvin Bragg. I'm headed to New York to

728
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Speaker 2: fulfill my dream of eradicating another George Soros two bit

729
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Speaker 2: political hacks spelled wrong, das I be waiting in the

730
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Speaker 2: courthouse parking garage with my suppressed Smith and Weston MP

731
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Speaker 2: nine millimeter to smoke a radical, fool prosecutor that should

732
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Speaker 2: never have been elected. I want to stand over Bragg

733
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Speaker 2: and put a hole in his forehead with my nine

734
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Speaker 2: millimeter and watch him twitch as a drop of blood

735
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Speaker 2: oozes from the hole as his life ebbs away to hell.

736
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Speaker 2: Bye bye to another corrupt I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: the word is, Robertson wrote in one social media POSTE

738
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Speaker 2: all right, so like, let's be real about who we're

739
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Speaker 2: talking about. But you know, he's an American citizen. Now,

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Speaker 2: you're not allowed to issue threats against the president, or

741
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Speaker 2: at the very least like you will come under investigation

742
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Speaker 2: for that. I do think that's I think that's within

743
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Speaker 2: the bounds of the First Amendment and also within the

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Speaker 2: bounds of protecting public officials. I mean, look, I don't

745
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: know if you saw this. There was a president Canadate

746
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: just yesterday assassinating in cold blood in Ecuador. Horrible video.

747
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, these are very real incidents

748
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Speaker 2: that we should always be reminded. It can't happen. It

749
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Speaker 2: does come back to though. It's like, Okay, I mean,

750
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Speaker 2: do do you break the law? I mean, lawful firearm

751
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: owner to Utah posting stuff is not necessarily illegal. It's like,

752
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Speaker 2: so did you come in like we're weapons drawn? Do

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Speaker 2: you have body camera footage? You know, these are all

754
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Speaker 2: important things. I think that they're going to have to

755
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: come forward on and honestly, the mean he's gonna to

756
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Speaker 2: demand this, We're gonna.

757
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Speaker 3: Have to start.

758
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Speaker 2: We had issues employer requests, like we've got to make sure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you actually get to the bottom. Liss like, is this

760
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Speaker 2: all you know by the book et cetera. As despicable

761
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Speaker 2: as some of these statements are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it appears to me that he probably

763
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Speaker 1: broke the law. Did he deserve to die for his

764
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Speaker 1: threats against the president. You know, again, there are a

765
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Speaker 1: lot of questions that we had. It could be that,

766
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Speaker 1: you know, these agents felt truly acted in self defense,

767
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Speaker 1: that he did come, as he indicated in some of

768
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Speaker 1: his posts, with his weapons blazing. But you know, the

769
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Speaker 1: fact that there's been a real silence on the side

770
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: of the government here, you know, only further heightens the

771
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Speaker 1: questions that we have about this incident and exactly how

772
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Speaker 1: it all went down. So, yeah, it's one to you know,

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Speaker 1: keep our eye on and see if we get any

774
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Speaker 1: further information about exactly the circumstances here of how this

775
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Speaker 1: all unfolded.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've got a little bit of Trump legal

778
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Speaker 1: news here for you. Apparently Jacksmith's team obtained a search

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Speaker 1: warrant to search his Twitter account. Let's put this up

780
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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is pretty wild development headline here

781
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Speaker 1: from the AP Special Council got a search warrant for

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Speaker 1: Twitter to turn over info on Trump's account. According to documents,

783
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Speaker 1: there was also a fine that was Levey put this

784
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Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen through in her fifty

785
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine that was levied against now X. I

786
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Speaker 1: really am sort of like resistant to using that company

787
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: name because it's irritating to me. But anyway, they're in

788
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars fine against Twitter for missing the deadline

789
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Speaker 1: to comply with this search warrant. Details were included in

790
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Speaker 1: ruling from the Federal Appeals Court in Washington over a

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Speaker 1: legal battle surrounding the warrant that is played down under

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Speaker 1: seal and behind closed doors for months. The appeals court

793
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Speaker 1: rejected Twitter's claim that it should not have been held

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Speaker 1: in contempt or sanctioned. So looks like, in the same

795
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Speaker 1: way that you know they get search warrants to look

796
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Speaker 1: in someone's house or whatever, they attained a search warrant

797
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: to have access to Trump's Twitter account. I presume that

798
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Speaker 1: means DMS and all the rest to try to find

799
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Speaker 1: out anything that was relevant with regard to his actions

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Speaker 1: with regards to January sixth, and anything else that they're investigating.

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Speaker 1: Because that's the other thing, Sager, is we have word

802
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: now that the grand jury that has been meeting in

803
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Speaker 1: DC that handed down these latest indictments of Trump over

804
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Speaker 1: January sixth, they're still meeting, and the investigation and there

805
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: still continues, So it's possible there are additional indictments, certainly

806
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Speaker 1: of his co conspirators. It's also possible there are in

807
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Speaker 1: additional indictments with regards to Trump, and specifically, some of

808
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Speaker 1: the reporting indicates they're still looking into some of his

809
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Speaker 1: fundraising practices.

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Speaker 4: And we've of course covered here the way.

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Speaker 1: That they, you know, at best, really misled people about

812
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Speaker 1: what their money was going to with regard to the

813
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Speaker 1: stop the steal efforts, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: So you know, this is very much an ongoing investigation.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Of all of the investigations,

816
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Speaker 2: that's the one I would actually like to see because.

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Speaker 4: The fundraising one sane. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, look, I understand First Amendment law

819
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Speaker 2: fundraising and all that, but watching old people who really

820
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Speaker 2: believe this stuff get milked out of their hard earned

821
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Speaker 2: social Security and savings money, you know, to go quote

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Speaker 2: unquote fight on behalf of the president who then spends

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Speaker 2: it on a bunch of legal bills not related to that,

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Speaker 2: that really pisses me off. You know, I don't care

825
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Speaker 2: what look, it's their money. They can do what they want.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't sit right with me, especially

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Speaker 2: knowing how so many of these people not only trust him,

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Speaker 2: but trust so many of the media apparatus.

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Speaker 3: He kind of.

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Speaker 2: Amplifies this stuff, But I am curious. I did not

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Speaker 2: fully understand why the Twitter account needed to have a

832
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Speaker 2: search one. That was the only thing I keep coming

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Speaker 2: back to, because I'm like, it's all public record. Are

834
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Speaker 2: you looking for like behind the scenes, like law, like

835
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Speaker 2: as int like who posted the tweets? Are we looking

836
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Speaker 2: at his.

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Speaker 4: Direct mess I just assumed it's.

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Speaker 2: The DMS, So I was wondering that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: from my limited interaction and knowledge of how the presidential

840
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Speaker 2: Twitter account he did not really used to reply to dms,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure he fully even knew how to

842
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Speaker 2: do it. I also, I mean, I can tell you

843
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Speaker 2: I can't go into all the details, but I have

844
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Speaker 2: actually watched some of these presidential tweets get drafted while

845
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Speaker 2: I was interviewing Trump only enough, and he doesn't post them.

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Speaker 2: Let me just put it that way. Some of it

847
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Speaker 2: even includes paper in terms of editing things before they

848
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Speaker 2: are then sent out. So I just didn't understand, like,

849
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Speaker 2: what are we trying to glean here from? Said the

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Speaker 2: time stamps are public? You know, it's like, what are

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Speaker 2: we looking for?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and we don't have any public indication that

853
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Speaker 1: he did go back and forth with people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it's impossible that there's nothing there,

855
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Speaker 1: but I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sure what they were looking for here either.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also a question about, you know, is

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Speaker 1: it appropriate for the government to be issuing search warrants

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Speaker 1: and you know, being able to look at people's social

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Speaker 1: media accounts. I mean, I would say in the same

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Speaker 1: way that you can get a search warrant to search

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Speaker 1: someone's house or their documents or whatever. Like, there are

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Speaker 1: situations where I do think it is appropriate. The problem

864
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Speaker 1: comes when these search warrants become just like rubber stamps

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Speaker 1: for whatever the government wants for whatever reason, without a

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Speaker 1: lot of scrutiny as to whether or not this is

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Speaker 1: actually required. Does this meet the standard? It's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to say.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I have no idea, you know. I mean,

870
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Speaker 2: in terms of that, I do think there should be

871
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Speaker 2: a special consideration here. We aren't talking about the president

872
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: of the United States. We are are a foreign president

873
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: of the United States, and who actively only used his

874
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: treat you know, this is an important consideration. He only

875
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: used his Twitter account while he was actually president of

876
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: the United States, hasn't used it really since then and

877
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: since been on truth Social What exactly you know we're

878
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: prosecutors looking for here. There's also the interesting angle here

879
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: about the find that Twitter was forced to pay, which

880
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, let's go and put this up there please

881
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: on the screen, which says that the judge levied a

882
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine on the company

883
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: for a delay actually in complying, so you know, not

884
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: clear yet exactly like why the fine was levied, what

885
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: exactly the delay was. It also kind of comes back

886
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: to a recent promise by Elon Musk that they're going

887
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: to cover the legal expenses of anyone who incurred a

888
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: firing or problem from you know, their Twitter account, Like

889
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he means like normal people who were canceled

890
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: because of tweets. But immediately Donald Trump Junior was like, hey,

891
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: I've got a pretty big case for you, you know,

892
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: if you want to go ahead and cover those legal bills.

893
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: So it h is an interesting like legal fight and

894
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: or machination. I mean, the biggest headline from it really

895
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: is just that it happened at all. Not even like

896
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: we don't know what they're looking for, we don't know

897
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: why and all that. Just the fact that had happened

898
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: itself is you know, really enough in order I think

899
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: to talk about and speculates why.

900
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 4: Trump has responded.

901
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Of course, he says, just found out that Koka Joe

902
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Biden's DJ secretly attacked my Twitter account, making a point

903
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: not to let me know about this major hit on

904
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: my civil rights. My political opponent is going crazy trying

905
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: to infringe on my campaign for president. So he is

906
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: certainly seizing on that. And he's referring to the fact

907
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: that prosecutors actually were able to receive permission from the

908
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: judge not to tell Trump for months that his account

909
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: had been taken over basically and was being searched by

910
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the government. So they kept a secret from him. They

911
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: argued that it would seriously jeopardize the ongoing investigation by

912
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: giving him an opportunity to destroy evidence, change patterns of behavior,

913
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: or notify confederates. That was the justification for keeping this

914
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: action secret from Trump. So that is about everything we

915
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: know about.

916
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: That one, all right. So that's what we got.

917
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: At the same time, we have some news this morning

918
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: about the rapidly approaching first Republican primary debate. It has

919
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: appeared thus far like Trump is probably not going to

920
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: participate in that debate. This is very you know, I mean, listen.

921
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I think it would be good for him to participate.

922
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: I think it's in the interest of democracy for all

923
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: of these candidates to have to participate in debates.

924
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: That includes Donald Trump, that Joe Biden.

925
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: But he and his advisors sort of feel like, oh,

926
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: he's way ahead. Why take the risk, Why dignify these

927
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: other opponents by stepping on the stage. The folks at

928
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: Fox and Friends were on their airwaves trying to implore

929
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: Trump to reconsider what appears to be his movement in

930
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: the direction of skipping the debate. Let's take a listen

931
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Speaker 1: to what they had to say.

932
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Speaker 3: The crowd was mixed on whether he should get debate

933
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Speaker 3: or not. People want to see Trump debate.

934
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Speaker 2: Number one, it's extremely entertaining and it's good. And what

935
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Speaker 2: I did recently is watch back the debate with Joe Biden.

936
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Speaker 3: Where I thought he didn't do well.

937
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Speaker 7: The more I realized he actually did well, much better

938
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Speaker 7: than you would think.

939
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: But the moderator kept interrupting.

940
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Speaker 2: Number one and number two is Joe Biden just kept lying.

941
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Speaker 7: Well, I think if Donald Trump is pulling the audience saying, hey,

942
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 7: do you think I should do that debate? Because he

943
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 7: was very clear, he was emphatic, Nope, I'm not going

944
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 7: to do it because I'm way ahead, and we have

945
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Speaker 7: heard him say that. You know, my advisors are telling

946
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Speaker 7: me I shouldn't do it. Obviously he's having sex doubts

947
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Speaker 7: about the advice he's getting from his advisors because if

948
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Speaker 7: he's pulling the audience, and I just don't see okay,

949
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Speaker 7: the debates in two weeks here on Fox. I just

950
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 7: don't see Donald Trump sitting at home watching along with

951
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 7: forty or fifty million other Americans when he sees Ron

952
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 7: DeSantis in that Center Square, that would absolutely drive him crazy.

953
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 8: Well, and don't you want him to do it? Because

954
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 8: I really was angry at everything that he feels that

955
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 8: this administration of the Democrats the dj have put him through.

956
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 8: But don't take it out on the Republicans, because Republicans

957
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 8: want to see him up on stage, and don't take

958
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 8: the voters for granted. Yes, he is ahead by a lot,

959
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 8: but to see him up there on the stage would

960
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 8: just be wonderful. Because we want to see how they interact,

961
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 8: we want to hear their policies.

962
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: That's how he became done.

963
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 7: The first time, he made it entertable, blew everybody away.

964
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Speaker 4: News is hosting the debate so obviously.

965
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Interesting.

966
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they're right about not taking the voters for granted,

967
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: that's all fair.

968
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: The part that I actually thought.

969
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Was the funniest was when kill Mead started doing revisionous

970
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: history on his first debate performance against Joe Biden, which

971
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: everyone basically paedo. He was so obnoxious. I think that's

972
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: the one too where it came out after the fact.

973
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: He like had COVID at the time, so I'm wondering

974
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: if they had him hopped up on some kind of

975
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: something to overcome the you know, his mood because of COVID. Anyway,

976
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: he was so obnoxious. He didn't let Joe Biden get

977
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: a word. He made Joe Biden so sympathetic when all

978
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: you had to do was sort of like stand back

979
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: and let Joe Biden hang himself. But he really came

980
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: off very great, So I found it amusing that kill

981
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: me It was.

982
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: Like, actually I watched it.

983
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: You did great, sir. I'm sure you do great. Again,

984
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: public wants to hear from you, et.

985
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: Cetera, et cetera.

986
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the biggest kiss ass things. That

987
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: was amazing, just shocking. Yeah, and look, let's be real,

988
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: as you said, this is purely self interested. Don't forget

989
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: the day that Trump was indicted. Actually that night he

990
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: had dinner with Fox News executives who were at hitmar

991
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: A Lago to basically beg him to show up to

992
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: the debate. We do, however, have some news that just

993
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: broke last night. He Trump gave an interview to news

994
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: Max's Eric Bowling where he said two things. He will

995
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: let us know next week about the debate. Okay, but

996
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: two I will not Two I will not sign the

997
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: RNC debate Pledge. Well, the RNC pledge, which says that

998
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: you will support the eventual nominee, is a precursor to

999
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: participating in the debate. So I think we have a

1000
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: little bit of a taste. He also recently has been

1001
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: going after Chris Christy, calling him a fat pig or no,

1002
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: he was told not to call him a fat pig,

1003
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: and he recounted that story classic trumpion. Christy posted the

1004
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: video and just said come say it to my face.

1005
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: I'll see you at the debate. Yeah, you know, trying

1006
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: to challenge him.

1007
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: I don't think Trump's going to show up.

1008
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: I just think at this point, specifically because of Christie,

1009
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Trump has it has had that Christy ended Marco Rubio's campaign.

1010
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: Trump also doesn't want to basically validate all the other

1011
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: candidates by letting him take a shot. He's leading so

1012
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: far ahead and fundraising and the polls, and I actually

1013
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: that one of the funniest tweets truths I guess that

1014
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: he put out is I'll let them debate and see

1015
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: who I should take his vice president. You're just kind

1016
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: of putting himself above it. But of course, on a

1017
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: small d democratic.

1018
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: Level, it's awful you have to debate.

1019
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you really do have to. It's a

1020
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: terrible norm to set. It's one that we shouldn't normalize

1021
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: Biden and or Trump. If you want, if you earn it,

1022
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: you know, if you want it, then you got to

1023
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: earn it. I really believe in that, But you know,

1024
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: people are letting to take it a pass. So I

1025
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: don't know the minority.

1026
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: It's empathetic.

1027
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: That very likely that the two major part in nomenies

1028
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: neither one of them is going to have to face

1029
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: a single like debate question during the primary. They're going

1030
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: to be able awful to win without having being subjected

1031
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: to even like the baseline of democratic scrutiny. And it

1032
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: is you know, we talk a lot about norms. That

1033
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: is a new norm that will be sad in the future.

1034
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: Every frontrunner is going to be like, ah, they didn't

1035
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to do it either, And that

1036
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: is that is incredibly disappointing. It's an incredible degradation of democracy.

1037
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not a surprise that these two

1038
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: men would be so craven, but nevertheless, it's doesn't make

1039
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: the blow land any softer.

1040
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: So listen, I will say, I could see.

1041
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: Him coming out next week and being like, yeah, I'll debate,

1042
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: but I'm not signing the pledge and then basically kicking

1043
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: into the R and C and making them make the

1044
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: tough decision.

1045
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: So that way he has.

1046
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: An excuse of it's not like, oh I wanted to debate,

1047
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: they just wouldn't let me, you know, they wouldn't let

1048
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: me on the stage. And so he sort of, you know,

1049
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: creates the own conditions where they have to block him

1050
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: or call his bluff or whatever. I don't know, I

1051
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: could see that also playing out.

1052
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: The potentially LOK I actually think you're one hundred percent

1053
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: of righty. I'm happy to do it, but I won't

1054
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: do that pledge. That's that's a very smart thing, you know.

1055
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: It is weird though, that they I don't know if

1056
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: it's always been a part of it, because I mean,

1057
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: one of the most important moments of the first debate

1058
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen is when they were like, well, everybody here,

1059
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: what do you say, is like, raise your hand if

1060
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: you commit to backing the eventual Republican nominee. And he

1061
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: didn't raise his hand, and he's like, no, you know,

1062
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. So this is clear

1063
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: something that's kind of been baked in for a long time.

1064
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: I do think it's definitely odd that he decided that

1065
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: they decided to add that in there at the same time,

1066
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not I don't know, do you think

1067
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: it's a smart move on behalf of the R and C,

1068
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: because I mean, even if he doesn't commit, that's a

1069
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: fun it's fine enough, like let him debate anyways, you know,

1070
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: let's just get the guy on the stage already.

1071
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: Blew up the stupid loyally pledge because back in twenty

1072
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: six No, I don't think that there should be a

1073
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: loyalty pet pledge. I think people should be able to

1074
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: run and if they decide they don't like the nominee,

1075
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: they should be you know, free individuals to make their

1076
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: own choices about it. Like handcuffing everybody ahead of time,

1077
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: I think is ridiculous. I think it is also anti democratic.

1078
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: And Trump blew this up last time around because what happened, Sager,

1079
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: is they had this loyalty pledge because there was all

1080
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: this question, oh, what will Trump do if he loses,

1081
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: like is he going to run through party?

1082
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: What is he going to do?

1083
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Speaker 1: And he signed the pledge and then immediately was like, nah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really going to follow this thing. So what's

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Speaker 1: the point, which is so that's what Chris Chris Christy

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Speaker 1: has been saying, because Christy has no intention of backing

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Speaker 1: if Trump ends up being the nominee. So what he's

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Speaker 1: been saying when he's asked about the loyalty pledge is

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Speaker 1: I will take the loyalty pledge exactly as seriously.

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Speaker 4: As Donald Trump did last time around.

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Speaker 1: So he's technically signing it, but basically throwing out there like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this is garbage and I'm not really going

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Speaker 1: to abide by it in the same way that Trump

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Speaker 1: got away with not abiding by it last time.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think the loyalty pledges bs.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'll see what happens. Yeah, I certainly will.

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Speaker 2: As Trump used to say, we'll see what happens, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: what are you taking to look at?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: When you think of Los Angeles, many things may come

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00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: to mind, sunshine, movie stars, Hollywood, or on the more

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Speaker 1: negative side, visible homelessness, street crime. But this year LA

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Speaker 1: has been ground zero for something quite surprising, a working

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Speaker 1: class revolt. In Lates example, eleven thousand city workers actually

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: went on strike on Tuesday of this week, bringing some

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Speaker 1: city services to a complete halt, slowing others. Talking about lifeguards,

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00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: sanitation workers, custodians, mechanics, groundskeepers more all walk down, over

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Speaker 1: low waight and understaffing. As one airport custodian told the

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00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: LA Times in rather succinct fashion, it's more work for

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Speaker 1: less money.

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Speaker 4: But these LA.

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Speaker 1: Workers are far from alone. They are brothers and sisters

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Speaker 1: across the city and across industries have been revolting in

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary year that has seen more nationwide strike activity

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Speaker 1: than almost any other year this century. Nurses, dock workers,

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00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: hotel workers, they have all stage strikes or work stoppages.

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00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: They're not joined by the workers at the heart of

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Speaker 1: this company town, the writers and actors who make our

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00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: favorite shows and movies, and the ones who are just

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00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: struggling to get their foot in the door of their

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00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: own Hollywood dream. They are all out on strike, demanding

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Speaker 1: a stake in the future of their industry. There is

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Speaker 1: no city in America facing anywhere close to this level

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Speaker 1: of worker rebellion. Partly it's because LA actually has decent

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Speaker 1: union density, so workers are already organized for collective action.

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Speaker 1: But if you listen to what the workers are telling

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Speaker 1: reporters about why they had no choice but to strike,

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Speaker 1: there is a common thread running through each of these actions.

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Speaker 1: Common thread is housing. The total unaffordability of housing in

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Speaker 1: the LA area has made it impossible for workers to

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Speaker 1: be able to get by on their wages. It's a

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Speaker 1: miserated them with multi hour commutes push them in some instances,

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Speaker 1: into literal homelessness. Joe Martinez, a city worker on strike,

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Speaker 1: this week, who works servicing construction equipment at lax He

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00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: told the La Times that he lives ninety minutes away

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Speaker 1: from his job because it is the closest place that

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Speaker 1: he can possibly afford. And yet he actually considers himself

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: lucky because a lot of his fellow workers they have

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Speaker 1: even longer commutes. This, of course, takes them away from

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00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: their family, their communities, drains their wallets and their souls

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00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: by the way as they sit in mind numbing traffic.

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Speaker 1: According to Martinez quote, we want to get respect from

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00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: the city to go back to the bargaining table. Our

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: biggest thing is cost of living. In a report on

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00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: the hotel workers' strike, alex Press documents how automated management

1146
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: apps are being weaponized to bring in unwitting scaps in

1147
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: an attempt to break that hotel workers strike. One of

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Speaker 1: those who was summoned by UP to break the strike

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00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: was a man named Thomas Bradley. He immediately dropped his

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00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: shift and joined the picket line the moment he realized

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00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: he was being used like a pond to try to

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00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: hurt other workers. Joining the striking workers was no small

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00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: thing for Bradley either, who had struggled to find employment

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: in the hospitality industry in spite of him being trained

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00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: in credential for the work. It's a complaint that shared

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: by many black workers who are trying to get a

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: foothold in the hotel industry. Bradley's joblessness had pushed him

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Speaker 1: from precarity into actual homelessness, and when he showed up

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00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: for that shift, he was living out of his car

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Speaker 1: unit here. Local eleven co president Ottobersgno explained that this

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00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: precarity is shared even by many of her members who

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Speaker 1: do have a job. Quote, there's no thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing from my workers.

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Speaker 4: They are shared.

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Speaker 1: There's a new thing that I'm hearing from my workers.

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00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: They are sharing by shift rooms in a house. If

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Speaker 1: you work in the PM, you get to sleep there

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Speaker 1: in the AM, and if you work in the AM,

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Speaker 1: you get to sleep in the PM. They actually rent

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Speaker 1: a room by shift. It is incredible that we are

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Speaker 1: in this crisis in this country. The union has now

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Speaker 1: since helped Bradley get a job as a banquet runner

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Speaker 1: at the U One Hotel, which was able to come

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: to terms before the contract deadline. The housing crisis has

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Speaker 1: also taken center stage in the Hollywood shutdown as well.

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Speaker 1: An anonymous studio executive said the quiet part out loud

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Speaker 1: when he told reporters that he and his fellow execs

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Speaker 1: wanted to weaponize this housing affordability crisis to force writers

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00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: to accept a bad deal. The endgame is to allow

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Speaker 1: things to drag on until union members start losing their

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Speaker 1: apartments and losing their houses, a studio executive told Deadline,

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: acknowledging the cold as ice approach. Several other sources reiterated

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00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: the statement. One insider called it a cruel but necessary evil.

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Speaker 1: Now LA is at or near the top of every

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Speaker 1: list that I looked at of the least affordable cities

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Speaker 1: in the country. This, of course, is thanks to a

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Speaker 1: combination of astronomical housing prices and comparatively low wages.

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Speaker 4: When you add these.

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Speaker 1: Sprawl, traffic, congestion, and poor public transit, you can easily

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Speaker 1: understand what the entire workforce is at its wits end.

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Speaker 1: LA is also among the worst cities in the country

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Speaker 1: for income inequality, as superstars and excis beecutives live lives

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Speaker 1: of incredible luxury, and the workers who make the whole

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Speaker 1: place go commute four hours just to barely scrape by.

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Speaker 1: Could also guys be a canary in the coal mine.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the rest of the country is doing

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Speaker 1: so great on housing prices. Nearly two thirds of major

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Speaker 1: metros just saw their housing prices hit record highs. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: mortgage rates are a near twenty three year high as

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Speaker 1: the FED has pushed interest rates up at breakneck speed.

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Speaker 1: These two factors, together, housing prices and mortgage rates have

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Speaker 1: made housing the least affordable that it has ever been.

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Speaker 1: And while the news is somewhat improved in recent months,

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00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: it is not like wages have come anywhere cloaths to

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Speaker 1: keeping up with these ever escalating housing prices. In other words,

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00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if the la worker's revolt is coming

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Speaker 1: to a city near you. And Sire's reading all these

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00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: stories and I seeing what is the connective tissue here?

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot.

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Speaker 4: Com t's how what are you looking at?

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Speaker 2: Well. Two announcements on Tuesday evening absolutely rocked the sports

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00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: entertainment world. One Penn Gaming is partnering up with Disney

1214
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: Sports juggernaut ESPN to launch an ESPN betting app, pushing

1215
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: the Disney property fully into the world of online gambling.

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00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: But two, Penn Gaming is divesting entirely its ownership of

1217
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: Barstool Sports into the hands of Dave Portnoy, making him

1218
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: the sole owner of the company. Both announcements in their

1219
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: own right are titanic. Together they tell us a lot

1220
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: about the state of the media business today and what

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: the future looks like. Let's start with Barstool, a brand

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: that I've always loved and continued to admire. Portnoit revealed

1223
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: some other reason for why Penn has decided to part

1224
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: ways with Barstool. Let's take a listen to that interview.

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Speaker 9: We did this deal about three years ago, and I

1226
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 9: think both parties are like, we're gonna take this thing

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00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 9: to the moon, and we underestimated just how tough it

1228
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 9: is for myself and Barstool to operate in a regulated

1229
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 9: world where gambling regulators the New York Times Business Insider

1230
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 9: hit pieces fucking with the stock price. Every time we

1231
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 9: did something. It was one step forward, two steps back.

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00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 9: We got the night licenses because of me, you name it.

1233
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 9: So the regulated industry probably not the best place for

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00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 9: Barstool Sports.

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: And the type of content we make okay.

1236
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: So basically Barstool's controversy aka the reason why it is

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00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: popular is the reason that Penn Gaming had to divest

1238
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: itself from Barstool. And to be clear, when I say divest,

1239
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: I really mean it not a sale. The details of

1240
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: the transaction released so far indicate Portnoy did not have

1241
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: to pay more than one dollar to get his brand

1242
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: back after being paid some five hundred million dollars three

1243
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: years for the brand previously. In fact, the only stipulations

1244
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: are some non compete elements to the future of the brand,

1245
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: and that if he should sell it in the future,

1246
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: they would get some of the proceeds. He quickly put

1247
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: that duress, saying he would never sell it even should

1248
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: he die, he will just get the brand over to

1249
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: one of his trusted associates. There is a whole other

1250
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: monologue to give about what an incredible deal that is

1251
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: to make, but I want to focus on the action

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: substance of it. What we're really learning here is a

1253
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: profound lesson in freedom and what it takes to be

1254
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: a good media company. In twenty twenty three, Barstool was

1255
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: a liability to Pen Gaming because of the controversy it generated. Thus,

1256
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: the contrary was used as evidence for why gambling licenses

1257
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: and other regulatory hurdles for the company couldn't be cleared

1258
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: and was worth nearly half a billion dollar loss just

1259
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: to rid themselves of the problem. And as I immediately

1260
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: reacted to the portannoy comments, any truly free media brand

1261
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: cannot be connected to a larger entity. It must have

1262
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: a funding model immune from attack. And while I think

1263
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Barstool may miss out on some sweet gambling revenue, I

1264
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: believe that this move will actually make them bigger than

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00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: ever before. The most valuable commodity in the public sphere

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00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three is to be able to speak

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Speaker 2: your mind. It's why barstools is as popular as it

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: is today. The more popular it gets, the more it

1269
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: represents millions of people, mostly men, despise political correctness, and

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00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: the more of a vector of attack, then it will

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00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: be for the mainstream I believe, with no connection to

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: the outside, say for their advertising business, they will likely

1273
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: be bigger than ever before. But there's actually a second

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: part of the announcement that we haven't gotten to yet,

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 2: which also relates to a monologue I've done Previously, while

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Speaker 2: pen Gaming did divest itself from Barstool, they announced their

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: new partnership with ESPN. Now, per the deal, pen Gaming

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: is going to pay some one point five to two

1279
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: billion dollars to ESPN, who will then promote the new

1280
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: esp betting app across all of his franchise. This is

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01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: welcome news for ESPN, which once was the king of

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: cable bundle but now is openly being floated as an

1283
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: area for strategic partnership of Bob Iiger as they lose

1284
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: the fundamental value that the brand once commanded within media. Immediately, however,

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Speaker 2: I had a different view, perhaps than others, because one

1286
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: of another favorite broadcasters in the independent sports world, Pat McAfee,

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: he recently signed a deal with ESPN. As I covered

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01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: at that time, mcavie's show is going to be simulcast

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: on the ESPN channel as well as on ESPN's YouTube channel,

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01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: and at the time I actually hailed it as a

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: victory for McAfee and for YouTube to be able to

1292
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: get a licensing deal where content is not exclusive to

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 2: the channel itself. But I of course flagged one big

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Speaker 2: concerns one of the reasons that people love McAfee and

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Speaker 2: the boys is that they speak their mind now. As

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Speaker 2: you saw during the Brett Farvre situation when he literally

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Speaker 2: got sued for libel, he just brushed it off. McAfee

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Speaker 2: promised when he announced he was going to ESPN he

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Speaker 2: would continue to keep it real. And let's recall that promise,

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Speaker 2: nothing would change except that they were going to say

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Speaker 2: the F word least. Here's the issue. However, think about

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Speaker 2: the sequence of events that we just went through. Penn

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Speaker 2: Gaming divested Barstool for being too controversial, and then signed

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Speaker 2: with ESPN. McAfee's now part of the ESPN umbrella for

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Speaker 2: the fear foreseeable future for a colossal sum of money.

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Speaker 2: But can he really continue to keep it real? Obviously

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Speaker 2: time is going to tell, but it certainly doesn't bode

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Speaker 2: well for that promise, regardless of what I believe are

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Speaker 2: his very good intentions. It reveals the exact reason why

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Speaker 2: this show is independent, because we had to learn the

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Speaker 2: hard way corporate control. What it looks like, how enemies

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Speaker 2: won't target you. They'll just go after the larger entity

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Speaker 2: and they try to that employs you to try and

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Speaker 2: compel your behavior. In no way am I saying he's

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Speaker 2: a Cello or that he will tail his future comments

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Speaker 2: only just it's a Gordian knot of problems that Barstool

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Speaker 2: will specifically consumed by, and it ultimately led to it

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Speaker 2: haf to going independent. Ultimately, I believe the sequence of

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Speaker 2: events truly defines with the future of all entertainment will

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Speaker 2: look like. Those who are attached to larger brands and

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Speaker 2: regulated industries will always have to toe at least somewhat

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Speaker 2: the establishment line. They will be sanitized involuntarily, but they

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Speaker 2: get paid big bucks for sanitization. Then swashbucklers will remain

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Speaker 2: on the outside, kind of scooping up millions of people

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Speaker 2: who want that authenticity, and then the crossworld will always

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Speaker 2: come when someone comes along and they want to co

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Speaker 2: opt that audience in exchange for a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: What we've learned from the Barstool deal and this eventual

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Speaker 2: collapse is if you want to be truly free to

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Speaker 2: speak your mind, it's probably a bad trade to take

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Speaker 2: the money in the long run. Curious what you think

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Speaker 2: of all this crystal kind of wild right, So you

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Speaker 2: got basically and if.

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Speaker 1: You want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue become

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Speaker 1: a premium subscriber Today at breakingpoints dot.

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Speaker 2: Com accusations are flying as journalist Ken Clippenstein has published

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Speaker 2: a new report for The Intercept, saying UFO whistleblower Dave Grush,

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Speaker 2: who recently testified before the House Oversight Committee, was at

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Speaker 2: one point referred to a mental health institution following two

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Speaker 2: nine to one one calls from his wife and what

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Speaker 2: Grush says is a PTSD related alcoholic incident. Grush and

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Speaker 2: his associates initially accused the intelligence community of leaking non

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Speaker 2: public health records to Clippenstein, who has since revealed he

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Speaker 2: in fact retained access to this information by Freedom of

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Speaker 2: Information Act requests. Resulting dramas got both sides. They're accusing

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Speaker 2: the other of not telling the truth to the public

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Speaker 2: about the situation. So we've got Ken Clipstein himself in

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Speaker 2: the studio now join us defending his story. It's good

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Speaker 2: to see you, Ken, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in, Ken, great to be back with

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ken, So let's get into the nitty gritty.

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Speaker 2: I guess of the story itself. Let's start broad strokes.

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Speaker 2: What is the story about?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 10: Well, so he's kind of the star witness of the

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Speaker 10: subcommittee that's looking at the UFO allegations.

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Speaker 2: Not just him, but there are two pilots as well.

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Speaker 10: And so in the reporting on it, I noticed a

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Speaker 10: phrase popping up again again.

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Speaker 3: It decorated war here, decorated war here, decorated war here.

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Speaker 10: And I'm not disputing that he is, but when I

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Speaker 10: hear that, it's kind of like, Okay, well, where's the

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Speaker 10: where's the critique, Like where's the negative side or where's

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Speaker 10: the vetting? And I didn't see any of that by

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Speaker 10: any of the media. So I thought, well, I'm going

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Speaker 10: to go and look and see what I can find.

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Speaker 10: And so I know people both in DoD and the

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Speaker 10: intelligence community, and I did a call for tips to

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Speaker 10: try to broaden. Yes, the picture that really just came

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Speaker 10: from a mosaic of different sources that give me ideas

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Speaker 10: of what was going on. We can talk about that more,

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Speaker 10: but really my motive was just it didn't feel like

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Speaker 10: anybody was vetting this guy.

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Speaker 1: So lay out though the specifics of the story and

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Speaker 1: what you found through your foyer request.

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Speaker 10: So another Virginia Freedom Information Act, you can request police records.

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Speaker 3: They're called called detailed records CADS.

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Speaker 10: Obscure things that aren't kind of like the typical police

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Speaker 10: report that journalists tend to ask for, and maybe that's

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Speaker 10: how they didn't know it existed.

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Speaker 3: I have some practice with before I head. I've been

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Speaker 3: doing this a long time.

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Speaker 10: So when I got these back, it was two different

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Speaker 10: incidents reported by his wife and previous wife in which

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Speaker 10: he had gone In the second case, that was in

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Speaker 10: twenty eighteen, I think he had gone into a described

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Speaker 10: as like an angry drunken rage where he was suicidal,

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Speaker 10: asked his wife to kill him. She called police, said

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Speaker 10: that the guns were locked up, and then he was

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Speaker 10: placed in a mental facility after he was assessed and

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Speaker 10: then released.

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Speaker 3: I think a day later.

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Speaker 2: Got it and this happened twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Both.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's been a lot of back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Gush accused you of getting these things leaked by the

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Speaker 2: intelligence community. You revealed it came from the Free Innovation

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Speaker 2: for Information Act. He did a Twitter space last night.

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Speaker 2: You indicated you were tipped off by this. So were

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Speaker 2: you tipped off by members of the intelligence community? It

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Speaker 2: was both a defense department. I mean again, it's a mosaic.

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Speaker 10: You talk to as many people as you can, because

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Speaker 10: you don't want to be dependent on anyone individual who

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Speaker 10: might have a grudge or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I did talk to both God people and intelligence.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of the substance of the tip here

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Speaker 2: the accusation, I mean, aren't they fundamentally correct that, like

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Speaker 2: you are publishing dirt that was tipped to you by

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Speaker 2: intelligence community.

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Speaker 10: Well, the thing is, when I put up my call

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Speaker 10: for tips, I said, if you have anything positive or negative, sure,

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Speaker 10: because at the end of the day, like I don't

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Speaker 10: want to you know, he's a human being. I don't

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Speaker 10: to be candid with you guys, so people can account

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Speaker 10: for where I'm coming from. I don't believe in the

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Speaker 10: UFO stuff. I think he's incorrect about it. However, I

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Speaker 10: don't want to just punch at him. I would have

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Speaker 10: included anything positive that i'd gotten. Unfortunately I didn't get anything.

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Speaker 10: Now that doesn't mean that he doesn't have, you know,

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Speaker 10: redeeming qualities. Everybody does, even me so, but I just

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Speaker 10: didn't happen to hear any of that, and so I

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Speaker 10: had to go with what you know, I was told.

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Speaker 10: And to give you guys a sense too, I can

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Speaker 10: speak to the characteristics of the sources, because I understand

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Speaker 10: why people are concerned about that, because most of the

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Speaker 10: porting that you read is planted. When you go to

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Speaker 10: New York Times, most of those stories are planned by

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Speaker 10: committee chairs, by the White House, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: That's not how I roll. I know.

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Speaker 10: I tend to talk to mid level people, people kind

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Speaker 10: of like grush GS fourteens, GS fifteen's, people who are

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Speaker 10: experienced but didn't quite have the political chops generally to

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Speaker 10: make it to the top.

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Speaker 3: Those are the types of people that I was talking to.

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Speaker 3: Just full disclosure.

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Speaker 10: If you want to ask anything else about Jos, say

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Speaker 10: I'm having shark about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean, basically, you're being accused of like

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Speaker 1: this is a smear job. You're trying to undermine his credibility.

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Speaker 1: What did you see as the value of this information?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the fact that he has a

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Speaker 1: PTSD diagnosis makes him more likely to lie, make things

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Speaker 1: up and less credible in general?

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Speaker 3: No? Absolutely not PTSD.

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Speaker 10: But you know in the police reports his wife called

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Speaker 10: him an alcoholic and said that this has happened repeatedly. That

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Speaker 10: I think is a concern. I think that if someone's

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Speaker 10: an alcoholic. Yeah, that should be factored into your assessment

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Speaker 10: of what their credibility is.

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Speaker 2: Right, But if it's alcohol related to PTSD, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's be here. I mean, he sworn testimony, he admits

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Speaker 2: he had problem PTSD, he says it was I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's related to these alcoholic incidents. He got treatment,

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Speaker 2: per your own reporting, and all of the incidence. He's

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Speaker 2: now testified to sworn testimony as well as a whistleblowers

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Speaker 2: post treatment. So I'm just trying to understand, like, what

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Speaker 2: is the value of this information being put forward? And

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Speaker 2: to be clear, you didn't do anything wrong, You're doing

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Speaker 2: your job. We get crazy tips from people all the

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Speaker 2: time here, So I have no issue with the Freedom

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Speaker 2: of Information Act, even if you did report it, even

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Speaker 2: if you did get a tip from the intel community.

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Speaker 2: I guess it comes down to like the framing and

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Speaker 2: the substance of like, what are we supposed to do

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Speaker 2: with this information? Well, I included the story an example

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Speaker 2: of the dozens of White.

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Speaker 10: House staffers who had their clearance has revoked for smoking weed,

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Speaker 10: including in states where it was legal, right place where

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Speaker 10: it's legal, So like this is part of the clarence process.

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Speaker 10: And so again this whole focus on PTSD and if

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Speaker 10: it makes him not credible, that was never something I said.

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Speaker 10: That was a focus that he made trying to get

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Speaker 10: ahead of the story in the statement that he put out.

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Speaker 10: My interest was always the alcoholism. And I mean, I

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Speaker 10: guess just to I feel as though there's some kind

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Speaker 10: of grandstanding around this stuff, because the reality is, if

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Speaker 10: you're going to say, get a medical procedure, go see

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Speaker 10: a surgeon, you find out he's an alcoholic, that's probably

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Speaker 10: a factory and you're deciding somewhat right right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, is he an active alcoholic? Do you

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Speaker 2: know that we know that from the report to his

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Speaker 2: wife said he was okay in twenty eighteen, Yes, but

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Speaker 2: we don't know anything since then.

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Speaker 1: So can you speak a little bit too, because part

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Speaker 1: of the piece you talk about how you know in

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Speaker 1: those instances you had White House staffers fired, that there

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Speaker 1: is this, you know, very onerous procedure to get and

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Speaker 1: maintain your security clearances. In this instance, you know they

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Speaker 1: knew about these police interactions and what had happened with

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Speaker 1: regard to his wife at the time, they knew about

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Speaker 1: the allegations of alcohol abuse. All of this stuff and

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Speaker 1: yet he was able to maintain his clearances. Do you

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Speaker 1: read something nefarious into that or is that an indication

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Speaker 1: in his direction that listen, they knew everything, and they

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Speaker 1: still thought that I was trustworthy enough to maintain these

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Speaker 1: very high level secret clearances.

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Speaker 10: That's what he said, and I think there's something to that.

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Speaker 10: But there's also something of a boys club. I don't

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Speaker 10: mean in a gender way. I mean in like a

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Speaker 10: senior level. People tend to look at for each other.

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Speaker 10: I quoted someone as saying that, and that was the

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Speaker 10: general frustration of multiple people that I talked to, was

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Speaker 10: feeling like, they described this guy's unreliable and they were

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Speaker 10: frustrated that this stuff that they knew about was not

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Speaker 10: being account for it in these discript they were seeing

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Speaker 10: the descriptions I was describing before Decorated Here, Decorated Hero.

1508
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: They didn't feel like that was the whole story.

1509
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm confused by is you're telling me this,

1510
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: but you don't quote any of these people in the story.

1511
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: Everything the only facts that you can really attest to you

1512
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: in the story of Foia in turn, and obviously the

1513
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: tip and again zero issue with that, but don't you

1514
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 2: think that's the actual relevant part. I mean, why aren't

1515
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: you quoting people on background and people who work for him.

1516
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: He said he's unreliable. You're saying it here. I think

1517
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: that's fine. I mean, obviously sure it's a public forum,

1518
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 2: but the way that it's being read, and I have

1519
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I respect you work, but

1520
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: you know, the assemblage of the facts here, it does

1521
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: kind of read as a smear job. You're basically like,

1522
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: he had a PTSD. He says it's PTS interident, he

1523
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: had two alcoholics. You quote two people who basically say

1524
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: you know he's full of it. You only quote one

1525
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 2: expert who says that the UFO hearing is a travesty.

1526
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: And I mean, one of the things I really don't

1527
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,959
Speaker 2: understand is we how many conversations we had about Pentagon

1528
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: spinning us. But you're credulously citing the explanation, the nineteen

1529
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: nineties explanation on Roswell and prejudicously quoting like Susan go

1530
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: who depending on spokesperson who said that he's full of

1531
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, why should we believe these people? Do

1532
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying?

1533
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: Facts?

1534
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: Story I think.

1535
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: That's a good instinct.

1536
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 10: You don't want to side with the institutions, but I

1537
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 10: think you also don't want to reflexively oppose them. I'm

1538
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 10: not saying that you're yeah, I think that you know,

1539
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 10: I have that tendency too. But again, these are not

1540
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 10: monolists the d D. I'm not talking to the public

1541
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 10: affairs officer. I'm not talking to senior executives. I generally

1542
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 10: try to go out and get a sense of like

1543
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 10: the mid level, kind of like rank and file people,

1544
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 10: because I think they tend to tell a more honest story.

1545
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 3: You talk to the politicals and it's just I agree

1546
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: with you.

1547
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: I think you're doing the right thing, and you always

1548
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: and I've always, you know, I've sto know a lot

1549
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: of your work. But I'm like, why aren't any of

1550
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: these people quoted that?

1551
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 3: Why aren't you quoting these people?

1552
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 10: Essentially, the reason that I did the FOY was because

1553
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 10: they're kind of describing as unreliable and thinking, well, do

1554
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 10: I want to just use the sort of innuendo? Can

1555
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 10: I try to substantiate it? And if you look at

1556
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 10: the FOI requests, you can FOI my FOY or I

1557
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,520
Speaker 10: think I posted.

1558
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: It too, you did. I asked for a whole range

1559
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: of things.

1560
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 10: So this idea that I was being pointed at one

1561
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 10: specific event, that's just not true.

1562
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 3: People were describing things to me.

1563
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 10: It sounds like there's certain themes I go in Nexus,

1564
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 10: which journalists have, and so you can find their home

1565
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 10: address home address was not furnished to me, and then

1566
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 10: you can just file a FOAY And I did it

1567
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 10: for like seven years, and so that was what came back.

1568
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 10: So there's no sort of like so I guess might

1569
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 10: answer your question. I'm not trying to be evasive, like

1570
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 10: I did talk to intelligence and DD people, but the

1571
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 10: way in which that influences the reporting is a little

1572
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 10: bit more subtle than I think that the discourse gives

1573
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 10: credit too. It's not like they're pointing you at one

1574
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 10: specific event. They give you a sense and then you

1575
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 10: use that to go and use other methods to try

1576
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 10: to substantiate.

1577
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to belabor the point, but just so

1578
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: clear in my head of kind of the timeline you

1579
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: got that you were seeing the coverage of this hearing.

1580
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 4: Yes, you took issue with the fact that you.

1581
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: Know a lot he made extraordinary claims, right, and their

1582
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 1: their secondhand claims, and he hasn't produced publicly any evidence

1583
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: outside of his own testimony, which was being backed up

1584
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: by his personal reputation.

1585
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: Credibly, you're frustrated by the.

1586
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: Fact that there doesn't seem to be a vet on

1587
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: the other side, and then you reach out to your

1588
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: sources or do they.

1589
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 4: Guys that help us understand.

1590
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: The topicality above.

1591
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 10: So there are people that I know in DoD and

1592
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 10: in air Force that I figure probably know this guy.

1593
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 10: So I started asking him. They're telling me he's unreliable,

1594
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 10: and I think, okay, well, how can I find more?

1595
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 10: Because people have bits and pieces, it's not really enough

1596
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 10: to run with. So then I do a call out

1597
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 10: for tips and the tweet I said, if you have

1598
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 10: positive or negative because I don't to the extent that

1599
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 10: there's always gonna be a bias towards negative. Because I

1600
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 10: used to work at Target as a cashier. I remember

1601
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 10: the suggestion box and I thought, man, those have all

1602
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 10: got to be negative comments. There's not gonna be a

1603
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 10: single positive suggestion so that you know o YouTube section,

1604
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 10: So there's there's not gonna be you know, there's gonna

1605
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 10: be that bias.

1606
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 3: But it's like to the extent that I can.

1607
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 10: I'm trying to cast as wide of a net as

1608
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,879
Speaker 10: i can to get different. So that's not just reflective

1609
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 10: of the circle that I have and the friends that

1610
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 10: I have, and the.

1611
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 3: People that reached out.

1612
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 10: They told me largely similar like in theme stuff that

1613
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 10: the people that I knew.

1614
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: Were saying, right, And I mean, I've got the problem though,

1615
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: It's like you're kind of saying this selection bias here.

1616
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: And one of the things crushes a lad is that

1617
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 2: he was retaliated against and it's being actively retaliated against

1618
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: by the intel.

1619
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 10: And there's strong evidence for that, right, Okay at his

1620
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 10: word for that. Yes, well, but how do you know

1621
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 10: that you're not.

1622
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: Part of that that right that the people who are

1623
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: reaching out to you aren't basically like yeah, I mean, look,

1624
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: they're basically violating their job by talking to you in

1625
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: the first place and pointing to you towards the direction.

1626
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. I mean, he's correct. And then that

1627
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: this is probably made known to his authorities. They probably

1628
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: took a look at his file and they gave you

1629
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: a call whenever they saw your number. Nothing wrong with that,

1630
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: You did nothing. They're the ones who are doing it.

1631
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: But I mean, do you not feel though, is you're

1632
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: part of a little bit of a campaign here? That's

1633
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: the first question.

1634
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: Creditor.

1635
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 10: Again, that's why I try in my reporting to find

1636
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 10: them as opposed to them like coming to me independently,

1637
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 10: you know, and they're and again, these things are complicated.

1638
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 10: These are not monolists. There's the senior executive classers appointees.

1639
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 10: Those guys are the demons that you really want to

1640
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 10: watch out for. And so I mean, the people that

1641
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 10: I talked to clearly didn't like him, They didn't believe

1642
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 10: in about the UFO stuff. And so in so far

1643
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 10: as that is a motive, that's true. You know, I

1644
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 10: want to be very frank about it. Yeah, right, But

1645
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 10: it's a little different than like a Biden administration appointee

1646
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 10: being like this is embarrassing, we have to destroy this guy.

1647
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 10: It's so the concerns are fair, but I just want

1648
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 10: to point out that it's different.

1649
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: So do you think that he's lying? Do you think

1650
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: he was misled? Do you think that you know, there's

1651
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: some sort of motive for him to because you know,

1652
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: with whistleblowers this comes at great personal risk. I'm sure

1653
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: this is not a fun experience for him. I'm sure

1654
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: it's not fun to have these things in the press

1655
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 1: and this type of personal scrutiny and some of the

1656
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: worst moments of his life drive out in front of

1657
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: the public. So what sort of a motive would he

1658
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: have for not being honest interact with the public.

1659
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 10: I mean, around these issues, it's probably just embarrassing. And I

1660
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 10: don't necessarily even fault m for not being worth forthcoming

1661
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 10: about it.

1662
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: I've blamed that.

1663
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, why would he come forward with this,

1664
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: with the inaccurate claims to start with the sort of

1665
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: things that he testified to what would he's standing Again.

1666
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 10: There's a range of claims he makes, and I think

1667
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 10: a lot of them are probably true. Where we depart

1668
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 10: is when he says that it's space aliens or that

1669
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 10: you've recovered. But the idea I know from my sources

1670
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 10: and I think parts of this republic there is a

1671
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 10: UAV recovery, crash recovery program. There is constantly retaliation against whistleblowers.

1672
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 10: I know that because I work with them and there's

1673
01:15:59,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 10: data on this.

1674
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: It happens when you report something the Inspector General, there's

1675
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: a target on your back.

1676
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: So I totally take him at his word on that.

1677
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 10: And his lawyer was a former Inspector General of the ICEE,

1678
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 10: very respected person. I know people that know him. All

1679
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 10: I've heard is good things. So the whole retaliation thing,

1680
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 10: I assume that's true. They don't like people going to

1681
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 10: Congress and reporting things. Now, you know, again, where we

1682
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 10: depart is the specifics. I also think it's true that

1683
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 10: there is a UAV crush covery program. I just think

1684
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 10: just because you don't know and can't recognize what the

1685
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 10: technology is, that doesn't necessarily mean it's extra treshio.

1686
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: Right, But why don't you present evidence to that fact?

1687
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 9: Then?

1688
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you believe it?

1689
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: Like you say you don't believe him, I mean, listen,

1690
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: I don't know whether I believe him or not. I

1691
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: to me, it's just extraordinary. Whenever you're like, year before

1692
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: Congress you're telling this unders sworn testimony, I'm like, Okay,

1693
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: well I want to hear it from the other guy.

1694
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: Shohn Kirkpatrick says it's not true. To me, that's great.

1695
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: We got two people under sworn testimony. They say it's

1696
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: not true. Why don't you put forward a story? Then?

1697
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: Being like yeah, he's wrong. You know, the people are

1698
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: lying or you know, I mean I used to do

1699
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: this for a living. You can quote these people and

1700
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: be like rush colleagues say he's a liar. Grush colleagues

1701
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: say that he's completely not true. I mean, this is

1702
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: this is where I just don't understand. Well, I'm in

1703
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: a different position because it's like, yeah, I don't want to.

1704
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: I mean again, I disagree with them, but it's like

1705
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to rely on stuff

1706
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 2: that is really easy to substantial for documents, and his

1707
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: wife too, current wife, not just ex wife. If I'm

1708
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: just going off of stuff that people don't like him

1709
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: said verbally, it feels kind of like a smear, you know,

1710
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: like kind of unfair, and so it's like I get

1711
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: where you're coming from, but it's like, put yourself in

1712
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: my shoes, Like how would you navigate these kind of

1713
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: vague descriptions?

1714
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 3: You know?

1715
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't know. To be honest with you,

1716
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: I guess. So I'll come back to this on the

1717
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: alcoholism point. You keep talking about that, I mean, so

1718
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: is it not a mental health issue?

1719
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 3: Then?

1720
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 2: Like is it disqualifying in your mind? Being out I

1721
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: mean he first of all, we don't know if he's alcoholic.

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: Why you know, who knows? People say he says he's

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 2: recovered from PTSD. So he's recovered from PTSD. His best

1724
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: friend killed himself, gordonam I know for a fact to

1725
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: serve in Afghanistan? These are pretty dramatic events. Millions of

1726
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: veterans kind of stuff are the same thing. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: are you saying that's disqualifying for the entire store like that?

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Speaker 2: That's what I think a lot of people are upset about.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it necessarily is disqualifying. I think it

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: might be. I mean that's kind of why I put

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: it out. People can look at it and decide what

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Speaker 2: they think. I certainly don't want to have like it's

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: crazy to have a blanket rule anyone who has a

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: substance abusey issue should not be that's clearly your right fault. Look,

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Speaker 2: this man is asking us to believe something. He's asking

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Speaker 2: us to believe understod In testiment. Crucially, as you said,

1737
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 2: his reputation is what he said, It's a totally legit question.

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01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm more like, well, what are we supposed to believe here?

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Speaker 10: And what's I mean I just think it's more I mean,

1740
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 10: people want to paint not saying you're doing this with

1741
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 10: this broadbush of it's false. And there are specific components

1742
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 10: to his client. There's specific parts to his claims, and

1743
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Speaker 10: and you know, his own layer who I mentioned before,

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01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 10: that law firm that's representing him, has said that the

1745
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 10: reporting around the contents of his disclosures has been inaccurate.

1746
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 10: And I've never seen a lawyer do that in relation to,

1747
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 10: you know, stuff about a client. And so I think

1748
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 10: there's clearly something that's a little bit off here, and

1749
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 10: as to you know, people disagree about what those details

1750
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 10: might be, but it's a spectrum of claims that he's making.

1751
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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 1: Last question for me, at least for you, ken is

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01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: are you working on additional Are there additional reporting pieces

1754
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: you're fleshing out right now? What should we be expecting?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I'm interested in industries interesting these kind of things,

1756
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Speaker 10: because you talked about the Pentagon's interests, which those are

1757
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 10: reasonable questions to ask, like what are kenson why are

1758
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 10: they telling him these things?

1759
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Speaker 3: But there's a whole other interest group.

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 10: Which is aerospace, which has its own set of interests

1761
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 10: in making the public think certain things about not just UFOs,

1762
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 10: but aerospace phenomena in general. And so my hope is

1763
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 10: that that can in a lot of these representatives in

1764
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 10: Congress that staff the committees get money from these aerospace firms.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying that this is like a siah

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Speaker 2: by the defense contractors. I'm just trying to know why

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Speaker 2: you're out. I mean, so Chris lasked me before. If

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Speaker 2: I had to guess, I bet he believes it. I

1769
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: bet it's sincere. People tend to believe what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: They tend to.

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Speaker 10: Degrees, and you know, I mean, it's not true.

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Speaker 3: He was a decorated war hero.

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Speaker 10: That's not you know, so I assume he believes what

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Speaker 10: he's saying. I'm not someone I hate this word grifterrip.

1775
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 10: People throw this word around so loosely, you know, and

1776
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 10: it's like, how do you know someone's hard?

1777
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Speaker 3: You can't.

1778
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: No, I can. So I think it's fine to present

1779
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: the facts like I said. I mean, I'm just reading

1780
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: this story and you're like, you only quote two people,

1781
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: Jack Murphy and then this other guy. You're citing Roswell

1782
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: credulously no offense. But like that's crazy. That's like citing

1783
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: the JFK record and saying that that's the definitive norm here.

1784
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm reading this, all I'm supposed to

1785
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 2: take away is like, all right, you know alcoholic, PTSD,

1786
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: guys got mental health too, experts. He didn't present the

1787
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 2: other side. So do you see why people took an

1788
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: issue with it? I understand, yeah, to some extent.

1789
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 10: I'm in a position where it's like, yeah, everyone is

1790
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 10: doing the decorated war hero this stuff, and it's kind

1791
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 10: of like, well, now, my job is I have to

1792
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 10: try to give people stuff they haven't gotten. Okay, do

1793
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 10: you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm just trying to

1794
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 10: be Maybe that's bad, but that's right. I'm just trying

1795
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 10: to give you inside of my thought process.

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Speaker 3: Look, that is well.

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Speaker 2: I think people can take away from this what they will,

1798
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: and at the very least, I think it helped me

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 2: understand kind of where you're coming from. A lot of

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01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: other people, like I said, have questions. People watch this show,

1801
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you coming on. I know it's not

1802
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: the easiest thing to take questions like this, So thank you,

1803
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: we appreciate it.

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: My pleasure. Guys.

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01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: Thanks Ken, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys later