WEBVTT - "Beautiful Black Boys"

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<v Speaker 1>One quick thing. A week ago, on Tuesday, January two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen, the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office received word from

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice that the foot discovered near the

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<v Speaker 1>crash site in May was positively identified as belonging to

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah Hart. It is now believed by officials that she

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<v Speaker 1>died in the crash with her family. The notice reads,

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<v Speaker 1>Davante Hart is still listed as a missing person with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office. The case remains open and active.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for the latest installment of Broken Hearts. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we begin today's episode, Liz and I feel compelled to

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<v Speaker 1>address something we think is vitally important to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>We're white, Loses of Irish Catholic descent. She has freckles,

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<v Speaker 1>and I. She thinks are green, but I'd say are

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<v Speaker 1>blue with a swirl of cinnamon. I am of Jewish descent,

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<v Speaker 1>of blonde hair and hazel eze. We were both raised

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<v Speaker 1>on the East Coast. We both attended private colleges in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast. We are both mothers to white children. For

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons, we are not the ideal people to delve

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<v Speaker 1>into the tricky and very problematic race issues that this

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<v Speaker 1>case presents. We'd also be remiss not to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>these issues, as they're crucial to the larger socio cultural

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<v Speaker 1>context of the story. In this episode, you'll hear from

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<v Speaker 1>Nathaniel Davis, who helped raise three of the Hart kids

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<v Speaker 1>before they were adopted, and April Dinwoodie, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>transracial adoption expert here in New York, and more from

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<v Speaker 1>Shaunda Jones, the lawyer who fought to keep Jeremiah, Davante

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<v Speaker 1>and Sierra with their biological aunt. Each of these people

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<v Speaker 1>has a different perspective on how race and bias may

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<v Speaker 1>have played a role in the deaths of Marcus, Hannah Davante, Abigail, Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sierra Hart. From Glamour and How Stuff Works, This

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<v Speaker 1>is Broken Hearts, I'm Justine Harmon and I'm Liz Egan.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Jane and Sarah Hart adopted their second set of

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<v Speaker 1>siblings in two thousand nine, Davante, Jeremiah, and Sierra had

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<v Speaker 1>been Davanta d E v O n t A Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 1>j E R m I A h and Sierra c

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<v Speaker 1>I E r A Davis. They had lived in Houston, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>with their older brother Dante, their mother, Sherry Hurd, and

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend Nathaniel Davis, whose last name the children had

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<v Speaker 1>taken even before Sherry and Nathaniel got married in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand ten. Here's Nathaniel, Oh, no, tell me that I

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<v Speaker 1>was They chuckles from me and sell it to my

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<v Speaker 1>room and he removed them for less to the audio

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<v Speaker 1>quality here isn't great, but Nathaniel saying that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the only dad those kids ever had, and that CPS

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<v Speaker 1>removed the siblings from his and Sherry's care when Sierra

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<v Speaker 1>was born in two thousand five. The children lived briefly

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<v Speaker 1>with his brother, he says, before all three entered the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas foster care system. Nathaniel remembers the three younger siblings

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<v Speaker 1>personalities well, even though he hasn't seen them in over

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. La Sierra all the time, always tried to

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<v Speaker 1>protective and laugh. Remember, Nathaniel wasn't the only family these

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<v Speaker 1>kids had. Before jenn and Sarah Hart adopted Davante, Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sierra in two thousand nine, their aunt Priscilla fought

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get them out of foster care. Priscilla hired

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<v Speaker 1>Houston attorney Shawanda Jones to help her plead her case

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<v Speaker 1>and was successful in having them returned to her care.

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<v Speaker 1>She even moved to a new house to accommodate the children,

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<v Speaker 1>but a decision to let their mom, Sherry, watch the

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<v Speaker 1>kids while Priscilla went to work, resulted in the kids

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<v Speaker 1>being removed from the home. Sherry had a well documented

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<v Speaker 1>substance abuse problem. According to court records, she was a

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<v Speaker 1>crack cocaine abuser and was forbidden contact with the kids

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<v Speaker 1>and CPS exercised a no tolerance policy. The children had

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<v Speaker 1>only lived with their aunt for five and a half months.

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<v Speaker 1>Priscilla's decision to let the kids mom babysit was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad judgment call, yes, but Shaunda says the tenor of

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<v Speaker 1>the court proceedings stands out in her twenty two years

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<v Speaker 1>as an attorney. The father's rights were being terminated because

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<v Speaker 1>I think she had alcohol problems and the mother had

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<v Speaker 1>drug problems, and so that's why their rights are terminated,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't take issue with that. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>know in that instant that was the prudent thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But I always have taken issue within this case is

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<v Speaker 1>the harsh manner the way that they dealt with Miss Celestine.

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<v Speaker 1>The presiding judge for that court was Patrick Shelton, who

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<v Speaker 1>is now retired. In response to questions about how the

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<v Speaker 1>Hearts were allowed to adopt Davonte, Jeremiah, and Sierra after

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<v Speaker 1>an allegation of child abuse had already been made against them,

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<v Speaker 1>he pointed to the lack of criminal charges in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Minnesota. Shelton told Criminal Justice site the appeal

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<v Speaker 1>Unless there's a criminal charge, what can you do, Believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not. Kids get bruises that do not get beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Shelton also denies reports that he or his associate judge

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<v Speaker 1>favored non relative adoptions over placement with family members. The

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<v Speaker 1>agency that facilitated Jen and Sarah's adoption of the Davis

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<v Speaker 1>siblings closed in two thousand eleven. It was called the

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<v Speaker 1>Permanent Family Resource Center. The offices were located on a

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<v Speaker 1>commercial gride of land in Fergus Falls, Minnesota, which is

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<v Speaker 1>about a fifteen minute drive from Alexandria, where the women

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<v Speaker 1>lived until two thousand thirteen, and our chived version of

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<v Speaker 1>the now defunct website says it was started in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand by three families who had adopted eight children out

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<v Speaker 1>of the child welfare system. According to a page report

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<v Speaker 1>filed by the Minnesota Department of Human Services in September

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, only months after Jen and Sarah officially

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<v Speaker 1>adopted their second set of siblings through the agency, the

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<v Speaker 1>Permanent Family Resource Center was placed on conditional status after

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<v Speaker 1>accruing seventeen licensing violations. The violations ranged from failing to

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<v Speaker 1>submit paperwork to failure to complete proper background checks on families.

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<v Speaker 1>In the past ten years, the Minnesota DHS has only

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<v Speaker 1>issued three conditional licenses for child placement agencies. Back when

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<v Speaker 1>the Hearts were clients, the Permanent Family Resource Center ran

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<v Speaker 1>the Waiting Children Program, a service that provided families in

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota and North Dakota with access to foster kids living

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas, Washington, Ohio, Idaho, Oregon, California, and Florida. The

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<v Speaker 1>website reads children in this program are living in foster

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<v Speaker 1>homes or residential facilities and a termination of parental rights

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<v Speaker 1>has occurred, they are legally available for adoption. The average

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<v Speaker 1>weight for a child after approval of the home assessment

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<v Speaker 1>is between six months and three years. It took Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and Sarah Heart less than a year to legally adopt Davonte, Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sierra. Our Field reporter Laurence Smiley reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>three former Permanent Family Resource Center employees about how these

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<v Speaker 1>children were matched with the Hearts as we record this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>those emails have not yet been returned. Davantae, Jeremiah, and

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<v Speaker 1>sarah stepdad, Nathaniel Davis, still has a hard time understanding

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<v Speaker 1>why Jen and Sarah were able to adopt the children

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<v Speaker 1>while also being under investigation on allegations of child abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>why they figured we were poor, didn't have nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>fight them with. They should have given other people an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to adopt them kids. After DeVante, Jeremiah, and Sierra

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<v Speaker 1>were removed from Priscilla Celestine's care, Shanda says she barely

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to say goodbye to the children she

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<v Speaker 1>had cared for for the past several months. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe saw them one last time. Both Nathaniel and Shonda

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<v Speaker 1>believe the institutionalized bias may have informed the court's decision.

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<v Speaker 1>You just got the complete feeling that they already had

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<v Speaker 1>made up their mind. It's almost like you're just wasting

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<v Speaker 1>their time. You're in the way, and it's like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be a judicial system where you weigh evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you be so emotional and so angry over

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<v Speaker 1>somebody during their job. Because this lady wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that she kept her niece and nephews and not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed them to go off as she never seen them

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<v Speaker 1>again in life. Despite trying to find out more details

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<v Speaker 1>regarding the siblings adoption, Shaunda says she was never given

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<v Speaker 1>more information about their placement family. I saw some communication

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<v Speaker 1>with Brian Fisher, who was a children's attorney, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said he would have to fly to Minneapolis, so they

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<v Speaker 1>sent the kids out of state. And that didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>make sense anyway. I was like, as Hughes, Texas, is

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<v Speaker 1>you mean to tell me that there's no one? Why

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<v Speaker 1>is there this effort to harry up and get these

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<v Speaker 1>kids out of Texas. When Lauren reached Brian Fisher over

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<v Speaker 1>the phone in August to ask about the case, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>only no, ma'am, no ma'am, no ma'am. Adoptions are sealed

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas. Goodbye. It wasn't until March of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>when Shanta saw reports of the crash on TV, that

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<v Speaker 1>she realized what had happened to DeVante, Jeremiah and Sierra

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<v Speaker 1>and who got custody of them? So many years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting here in my office and I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the news and I heard them say Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they said Devant, and then that's when I said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, those are the kids. Shanna called Priscilla

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<v Speaker 1>to break the news. When I finally make the connection,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just horrified, and I had admit, because she's

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who can't listen to a lot of bad things

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<v Speaker 1>that happened. But I called her around like eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>at and I asked her, have you heard about that kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Where the those kids were driven off the cliff? And

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<v Speaker 1>she said no, So she said she couldn't hear what

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to tell her. So I called it

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<v Speaker 1>back the next day and that's when I revealed to

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<v Speaker 1>her they were driven off the cliff. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she she she says, she just can't. She didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to accept that. She always thought that the kids were

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<v Speaker 1>in a better place. But she was, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>was devastated. She was devastated, like so many people who

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<v Speaker 1>learned the fate of Marcus. Hannah Tavante, Abigail Jeremiah, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sierra Hart. Shanda takes issue with the disconnect between the

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<v Speaker 1>facts and emerged on paper and the fiction Jen Hart

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<v Speaker 1>presented on Facebook. She recalls reading about a particular post

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<v Speaker 1>in which jen called out the racism her children experienced

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular or basis. These kids are being used

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<v Speaker 1>as a prop I read this article where I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the adopted monks has said she was in

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<v Speaker 1>a store. She was checking out in an older white

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman and this patch here who was also Caucasian. We're

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<v Speaker 1>having this discussion about Davonte asking him something about whether

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to play sports. And I won't believe

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<v Speaker 1>for one moment that that conversation took place. That never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>We scoured Jen Hart's Facebook feed, and sure enough, a

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<v Speaker 1>post from November two thousand fourteen refers to this interaction.

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<v Speaker 1>The post reads, quote, we were standing in the grocery checkoutline.

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<v Speaker 1>An elderly man was standing at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>bagging area, conversing with the woman checking us out. He

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<v Speaker 1>spots our son looks him up and down. Man Colon,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you were going to be a baseball

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<v Speaker 1>player when you grow up. Son pauses, tilts his head

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<v Speaker 1>and gives a closed mouth grin. Actually, no, baseball isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really my thing. The post was on like this a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, with the woman bagging groceries in what Jen

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<v Speaker 1>describes as a befuddled, nearly astonished voice, saying, quote, what

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<v Speaker 1>I have never met a kaid that looks like you

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't play sports, and the man agreeing with a chuckle, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>never they all do. Gentleman's having to watch her child

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<v Speaker 1>be subjected to ongoing racial stereotyping, but doesn't step in. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>she says, her son responds, well, of course you've never

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<v Speaker 1>met a kid like me. I'm one of a kind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be myself no matter how much people

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<v Speaker 1>try to make me something I am not. She adds

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<v Speaker 1>at the end, I think this kid will be all

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<v Speaker 1>right no matter what is tossed at him. This kind

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<v Speaker 1>of storytelling from Jen may seem benign at first, but

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<v Speaker 1>when it factors into an ongoing pattern of isolation and

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<v Speaker 1>chronic abuse, the narrative takes on a sinister undertone. Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and Sarah Hart had taken six black kids from Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most diverse cities in America and moved

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<v Speaker 1>them from one rural town to the next. For context,

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<v Speaker 1>a two thousand seventeen census report found that Woodland, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>the last place the Hearts lived, is at least ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two percent white. Only point three percent of Woodland's population

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<v Speaker 1>is black. Friends of the Hearts often recount the stories

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<v Speaker 1>Jan and Sarah told about how unwelcoming their neighbors were,

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<v Speaker 1>how much abuse this unconventional family faced, and how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>safe it was for them at times. Bill Groner lived

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<v Speaker 1>next door to them in West Lynn, Oregon, where the

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<v Speaker 1>population is white. Bill believes that maintaining a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>fear might have helped Jen and Sarah keep the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>abuse under wraps. He spent the past four years playing

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<v Speaker 1>keyboard at Mount Olive Baptist Church in Portland. The website

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<v Speaker 1>from Mount all of It claims the church was built

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<v Speaker 1>in seven from lumber provided by the Ku Klux Klan

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the African American organization on what they deemed

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<v Speaker 1>the proper side of town. For the record, Bill is white.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always played music in church. I play at an

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<v Speaker 1>African American church, so I'm aware about, you know, racism.

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<v Speaker 1>It maybe covert rather than over, even if it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of almost subliminal, I could see parents wanting to protect

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<v Speaker 1>their kids always. Maybe that's part of why they told

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<v Speaker 1>the kids to kind of not be overly conversational or

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<v Speaker 1>friendly with neighbors because people could secretly harbor prejudice against you.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you read more about what's what actually happened,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they want the kids to tell what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. I think that's really part of the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>because all would have taken as one kid to come

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<v Speaker 1>over and say, you know, I'm hungry, could have some

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<v Speaker 1>food for me to call Children's Services. Groner isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only one who noted the way the Heart women, especially Jen,

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<v Speaker 1>would cut their family off from outsiders, but their festival

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<v Speaker 1>friend Ian Spurling only came to that realization after they died.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, so we have some dates set up

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<v Speaker 1>they canceled, like, hey, let's plan a play date at

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<v Speaker 1>the park list Tuesday. Oh yeah, that'd be great. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the day comes, Hey, we're not going to be around.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a few little things here and there that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we never found anything more about. Now looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like she was shielding them from being close to people.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like we were really close with them. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, are they like our family that

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<v Speaker 1>just stops by all the time? You know, not at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Now looking back, there were some dumb moments there. In particular,

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<v Speaker 1>like Marcus, Marcus and Jeremiah, they were very reserved and

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<v Speaker 1>almost stoic in nature. And then when you talk to him, boom,

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<v Speaker 1>snap into a smile, snap into some personality, and and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>right when you stopped talking, go right back to a

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<v Speaker 1>stoic face. And Ian got closer than most. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>June two, eighteen, our Field reporter Lauren talked to Ken Noatake,

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<v Speaker 1>an activist who started the Free Hugs project. Ken first

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to the family when he saw that viral

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<v Speaker 1>image of Davante hugging a police officer at the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter rally. He thought perhaps he could mentor the boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Lauren. Ken first held a free Hug sign at

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<v Speaker 1>the Boston Marathon in He soon extended his campaign for

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<v Speaker 1>peace and racial understanding to Black Lives Matter rallies in

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<v Speaker 1>college campuses across the country. When Davante's photo went viral

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<v Speaker 1>six months later, Ken social media lit up. Ken read

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<v Speaker 1>about how Davante had white moms. He also noticed the

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<v Speaker 1>boy's curious outfit fedora hat, leather, pea coat, and why

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<v Speaker 1>is looking face, the age of which was hard to peg.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent a direct message to Jen's acco out on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook when his photo of him holding that free Hug

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<v Speaker 1>sign and crying in front of the officer. When that

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<v Speaker 1>went viral, my social media went crazy because it was

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<v Speaker 1>the second time an African American was shown like that

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<v Speaker 1>in regards to law enforcement. And that's what my work

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<v Speaker 1>of the Free Hugs project really begin as. And so

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after DeVante hearts photo comes out with him holding

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<v Speaker 1>that free Hug sign in front of a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting all of these emails from people saying, Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>your work is spreading and look at the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're having, even on young people. And so right away

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I need to meet this kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I started searching online and then made contact with

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<v Speaker 1>their family the Facebook thought might benefit from having a

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<v Speaker 1>blackmail figure in his life. In fact, it was something

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<v Speaker 1>he himself had craved growing up. I was raised by

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<v Speaker 1>a single mother, and I appreciate my mother and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the strength that she had to raise four boys

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister, but my entire life I longed for

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<v Speaker 1>a father. Originally Ken thought he was messaging with Davante,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it became clear he was chatting with an

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<v Speaker 1>adult Jen over Facebook. She said she preferred her children

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<v Speaker 1>lived what she called a private lifestyle. Understandable really, how

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<v Speaker 1>many parents out there willingly connect their young children with

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<v Speaker 1>strangers over the internet. And after the amount of attention

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<v Speaker 1>that photos list died, all the more reason to be protective. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>the two remained friends on Facebook, a choice Ken now

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<v Speaker 1>believes was intentional on Jen's part. She kind of intercepted

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<v Speaker 1>that potential friendship or connection that we could have had.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until after that I was like, oh, now

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<v Speaker 1>it all makes sense. You wanted them to live a

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<v Speaker 1>private lifestyle because if he would have started sharing with

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<v Speaker 1>me that food was being with Hell. She kept a

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<v Speaker 1>very close circle of people that she can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>play this role with that everything is okay, and so

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<v Speaker 1>then the truth wouldn't get out or they wouldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Back when we started looking into this story, we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to better understand what it takes to make a blended

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<v Speaker 1>family like the hearts work in the real world. Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with April Dinwoody, a transracial adoption expert and the

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<v Speaker 1>former executive director of the Donaldson Adoption Institute. April Dinwoody's

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<v Speaker 1>expertise and transracial adoption starts close to home. She was

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<v Speaker 1>adopted out of foster care as a toddler by a

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<v Speaker 1>white family and Rhode Island. The way her family dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with their racial differences was to not talk about race

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<v Speaker 1>at all. As an adult, hungry to connect with black culture,

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<v Speaker 1>April moved to Harlem. She became CEO of the Donaldson

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<v Speaker 1>Adoption Institute and mentors kids of color who are adopted

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<v Speaker 1>by white families. She used to host a workshop called

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<v Speaker 1>what my White parents did it Know? And Why I

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<v Speaker 1>turned out Okay Anyway. April is vocal about the flaws

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<v Speaker 1>and the adoption system. More often than not, professionals are underpaid,

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<v Speaker 1>Black children are overrepresented. Not enough attention is paid to

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<v Speaker 1>bias training. Sometimes adoptions are rushed if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>what tends to happen when it comes to data. States

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<v Speaker 1>can have a sense of not leaving young people in

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<v Speaker 1>foster care for a long time, so things get rushed.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes the termination of prontal rights happens too quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes an adoption happens too quickly. She also believes that

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<v Speaker 1>the American perception of adoption is binary. Adopted parents are

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<v Speaker 1>good parents who can't take care of their children bad.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, not enough attention is paid to the gray

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<v Speaker 1>areas that exist. What kind of words come up when

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<v Speaker 1>you think of parents who have their rights terminated? Poor,

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<v Speaker 1>drug abusers, addicts, You know, all these really loaded terms,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you say, what comes up for you with

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<v Speaker 1>parents who adopt? Family? Love, safety? You so, and then

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<v Speaker 1>even when you look at, you know, families and parents

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<v Speaker 1>who relinquished voluntarily, there is a much warmer feeling about

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<v Speaker 1>that versus parents who have their rights terminated. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>something that we have embedded in our perceptions. Like Shanda Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>April believes that the system may have favored the hearts

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<v Speaker 1>and the family. Like the hearts, I could see how

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<v Speaker 1>they would be very appealing within the foscare system, very appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, there is no way to discuss this case

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<v Speaker 1>without taking a hard look at what she calls the

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<v Speaker 1>deep layers of racism within the child welfare system. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many issues of just racism and raising class differences.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just hard not to have that just be so

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<v Speaker 1>front and center. You know, you have an aunt who

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<v Speaker 1>is ready willing and able, and you've got families that

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling for whatever reason and doing what they can

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<v Speaker 1>to rehabilitate, and there are people of color, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got white family resources available Bowle, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>see it coming so clearly. You know that that this

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<v Speaker 1>is how this would play out. Institutional racism within chow

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<v Speaker 1>Wilfare is this there. There's no question. As a woman

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<v Speaker 1>of color who was taken in by white parents, April

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<v Speaker 1>is uniquely aware of the challenges of transracial adoption, how

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<v Speaker 1>important questions about identity can get glossed over, or how

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<v Speaker 1>a child may grow to feel ambivalent towards their birth culture,

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<v Speaker 1>or as if they're stuck between two worlds. First and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>they should be living in diverse areas with examples and

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<v Speaker 1>teachers and community members and friends close friends of the

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<v Speaker 1>family that are people of color. Like you just can't

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<v Speaker 1>raise a brown or black kid in a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>they're one of a few people of color. Is just

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<v Speaker 1>not safe anymore. It's not emotionally safe. It's not physically safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So I think first and foremost they should be

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<v Speaker 1>living in diverse areas and parents need to be uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>right Like white parents need to make it their business

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<v Speaker 1>to go and be in places where they're in a

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<v Speaker 1>minority so they can get a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of what their kid feels. Ultimately, she believes that

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<v Speaker 1>multiple pleas for racial understanding and tolerance on Facebook not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention the family's presence at protests was self congratulatory.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember looking at Davante's face, went back into

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and fourteen right, it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>just struck me. I mean I had no idea honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>and no idea that he was a young person that

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in the foster system. But but something didn't

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<v Speaker 1>sit right, and just so much pain in that and

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<v Speaker 1>it just felt like it felt uncomfortable to me, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>It just it just did. And and then to find

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<v Speaker 1>out his backstory and this tragic end to his life,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of reinforces this idea that some parents

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<v Speaker 1>do operate this way, which is, you know, look what

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<v Speaker 1>we did, we're symbols of you know, racial harmony, and

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<v Speaker 1>our kids are evidence of that, and it's just really

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<v Speaker 1>really uncomfortable and exploitive and um, it's sort of heartbreaking,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really calculated. Right Was it calculated or was

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<v Speaker 1>it ignorant? If you reads heartfelt words on the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of systemic racism, you might find yourself impressed by her conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>On July seven, two thousand sixteen, she took to Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>to air her frustrations. My beautiful black boys, she wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>alongside a picture of Jeremiah and Davante smiling in hoodies

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<v Speaker 1>and beanies. We talk endlessly about the realities of this world.

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<v Speaker 1>So much beauty, so much pain and suffering. These boys

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<v Speaker 1>live and lead with love, but I will never deny

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<v Speaker 1>them their human right to be frustrated, sad, and angry

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<v Speaker 1>about the perpetual violence and murder of people of color.

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<v Speaker 1>My feed is filled with people white and POC that

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<v Speaker 1>want to help make a difference but are completely at

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<v Speaker 1>a loss of what to do. Opening up and breaking

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<v Speaker 1>the silence is a start, because white silence is black death.

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<v Speaker 1>If that statement makes you uncomfortable, I'm not sorry. Black

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<v Speaker 1>pain matters, Black anger matters, Black lives matter. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven, after jan and Sarah adopted Marcus, Hannah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Abigail. A case worker visited the women's home in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>Her findings were positive. She recommended that Jan and Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to adopt a sibling group of up to

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<v Speaker 1>five more children. Her report, filed on July eleven, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven, read the Hearts are open to any race

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<v Speaker 1>and gender, although they would prefer to have at least

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<v Speaker 1>one boy in the sibling group. Jen and Sarah have

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<v Speaker 1>adopted by racial children, and they have the tools and

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge to adopt more children from the African American heritage.

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<v Speaker 1>They are prepared to advocate for their children and to

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<v Speaker 1>secure the necessary services to support their family. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of our reporting, Lauren has reviewed over eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pages of material from the Clark County Sheriff's Office in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the documents are official caseworker reports and personal emails

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<v Speaker 1>from the Heart women, and it appears they did try,

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<v Speaker 1>at least at first, to create a nurturing and culturally

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<v Speaker 1>aware home for their children before they even received the

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<v Speaker 1>first set of kids. Gen wrote an email in January

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six to her adoption agency caseworker talking

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<v Speaker 1>about having set up an appointment with a child psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>who she calls simply the best of the best. Gen wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>we registered him a SAP because there's a waiting list.

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<v Speaker 1>About three or four months out, they talked about enrolling

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus in special education. Jen calls the school the most

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<v Speaker 1>diverse in the district. A case worker wrote up a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation she had with Jen reflecting on the transracial adoption

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<v Speaker 1>homework Jen had completed about places and people African American

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<v Speaker 1>kids could identify with. It said that Jen had identified

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<v Speaker 1>the Black student Union at a local university. The case

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<v Speaker 1>worker writes about Jen just purchase a couple more children's

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<v Speaker 1>books about African American heritage. One book is called Martin's

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<v Speaker 1>Big Words about Martin Luther King. In pictures that were

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<v Speaker 1>released of the inside of the Heart's home in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>their home library showed what looked like African masks hung

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall. The book collection included books like Mandela

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<v Speaker 1>and The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>really stood out was back in March two thousand nine

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<v Speaker 1>email to some friends. This is after the adoption of

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<v Speaker 1>the second set of kids. Jen says how well the

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<v Speaker 1>kids are doing and mentions the maternal aunt trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the kids back. Gen wrote, the kids are all

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<v Speaker 1>doing swell. I don't know why they insist on growing

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<v Speaker 1>up on me. Sierra will be four next month. Abby

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeremia are five now, Davante six, Hannah's Evan and

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus ten. Davante, Jeremiah, and Sierra are doing incredibly well.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't know they are the same kids that came

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<v Speaker 1>to our home nine months ago. I'm so proud of

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<v Speaker 1>them for all they have accomplished in such a short time.

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<v Speaker 1>We finalize their adoption last month, Thank goodness. I have

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<v Speaker 1>been a ball of anxiety just waiting for that day

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<v Speaker 1>to come. Until a couple of months ago, a maternal

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<v Speaker 1>aunt was still trying to get them back. Long story,

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<v Speaker 1>happy ending or beginning. A two fifteen evaluation of data

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<v Speaker 1>on six children adopted in Minnesota examine whether being raised

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<v Speaker 1>by someone of a different race is inherently damaging, and

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion was no. Emma Hamilton's, the lead author and

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<v Speaker 1>a doctoral candidate in counseling psychology at the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Texas at Austin, put it this way, beings by someone

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<v Speaker 1>of a different race is not inherently damaging to the

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<v Speaker 1>development of the adoptees. But much depends on how white

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<v Speaker 1>parents talk about race with their children of color and

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<v Speaker 1>help them identify with people of their own race. This

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors what April Dinwoody has found in her personal and

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<v Speaker 1>professional life. You almost have to become an activist, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think a true activists one that goes into the

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<v Speaker 1>school and says black and brown kids are disciplined and

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<v Speaker 1>higher rates, and you've got to make yourself known to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>not my kid. You've really got to become, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a champion of your child safety physically and emotionally. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Hearts tried to sort of like put that

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<v Speaker 1>idea out there of like racial kind of coming together,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like very very superficial and uncomfortable quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>and how they sort of paraded the children around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just that's not what that looks like. What it really

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<v Speaker 1>looks like when you embrace bringing a child of color

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<v Speaker 1>to your family and you're a white family, there better

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<v Speaker 1>be people that look like your kid in that community.

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<v Speaker 1>And the better, you know, really be authentic. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way it becomes authentic is learning about birth family. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are a lot of ethnicities and cultures

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<v Speaker 1>within black and white people and brown people, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like you gotta have some information so that

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<v Speaker 1>you actually know what your kid may have been experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>in their birth family. In so many ways, the mythologies

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<v Speaker 1>Jen and Sarah Hart told about their children had their

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<v Speaker 1>intended effect. They told people the kids were crack babies

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<v Speaker 1>in eighties term now widely debunked. People believed them for

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<v Speaker 1>April Dinwoodie. These stories are evidence of white saviorism, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that white people can swoop in and fix non

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<v Speaker 1>white people. It's one of those things that really just

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<v Speaker 1>makes me so angry because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it may well be true that these young people come

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<v Speaker 1>with those traumatic experiences that manifest and behavior and health issues.

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<v Speaker 1>That just means that family needs more support, and those

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<v Speaker 1>those parents who are going to parents as children need

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<v Speaker 1>not use that as any form of excuse or even

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about private things about their children unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>with a licensed therapist. That dressed so much suspicion and

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<v Speaker 1>so much just emotion around the fact that that would

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<v Speaker 1>be utilized as a way to mask some of the

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<v Speaker 1>abuse and neglect that was happening within the home. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just just disturbing the and Sparreling now sees how the

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<v Speaker 1>use of loaded terms like crack babies may have helped

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<v Speaker 1>reinforce a certain narrative. Everyone was very envious of them

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<v Speaker 1>because of how they could pull this off, how they

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<v Speaker 1>can raise the six quote unquote developmentally the late children.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you, nice work, you saved him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the narrative always. You know, we talked extensively

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So it was just like, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>had a very detailed story about how they were adopted

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<v Speaker 1>and what they went through prior. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>white saviorism symbolic in this right now that I never

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<v Speaker 1>understood or knew about, trying to build this portrait of

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, idealistic situation or these white ladies came

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<v Speaker 1>in and saved these six black children. Um, which just man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough. We loved those kids so much. Okay, so sorry, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen and Sarah's artfully spun stories were alarmingly effective. They

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<v Speaker 1>neatly explained away some of the kid's strange behavior while

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<v Speaker 1>also reinforcing a cocoon of silence around what happened behind

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<v Speaker 1>closed doors. They kept the kids from being able to

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<v Speaker 1>connect with people who had similar backgrounds. They kept the

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors from interfering. These stories even prevented the children from

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<v Speaker 1>being in touch with their own flesh and blood. And

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly, these stories ensured that the voices of the

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<v Speaker 1>hard children were never ever heard. If you suspect a

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<v Speaker 1>child as being abused, call one eight hundred for a

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<v Speaker 1>child that's one eight hundred numeral four a C H

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<v Speaker 1>I l D. Or visit child help dot org to

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<v Speaker 1>Broken Hearts, when I realized that she was on school, mama, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way in hell those kids are learning. I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 1>those third parties came here and scoured the bluffs with

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<v Speaker 1>fancy helicopters and airplanes and boats. I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how many miles he walked on those beaches and bluffs

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<v Speaker 1>and drove around and sat on the cliff with his

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<v Speaker 1>binoculars day after day after day after day. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>making this comment, like you're like an abused wife, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just kind of gave me this look like no kidding.

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