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Speaker 2: It's just been in the last few years I feel
Speaker 2: like that they've started breaking down intelligence into different groups. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it used to be smarter dumb, but now there's different
Speaker 2: kinds of intelligence, including emotional intelligence. And I ran into
Speaker 2: a guy who had very low emotional intelligence or whatever
Speaker 2: ability it is that some people have or don't have
Speaker 2: to read a room to read other people's body language
Speaker 2: or faces or whatever, and it's amazing. I mean I
Speaker 2: have run into several people. I know some people that
Speaker 2: are very high on that, Like I think Trump is
Speaker 2: extraordinarily high on that. He probably actually is genius level
Speaker 2: when it comes to emotional intelligence. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of successful people probably are. But I've known some really smart,
Speaker 2: successful people that seem to have like zero I mean,
Speaker 2: they're like imbeciles when it comes to emotional intelligence. And
Speaker 2: I met one on vacation as I said the world's
Speaker 2: least humble marine, and yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, do you think a
Speaker 3: decent description of emotional intelligence is understanding how the other
Speaker 3: person is receiving an exchange perceiving that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it seems to me the people that are
Speaker 2: really bad at it have never even considered the idea
Speaker 2: of wondering however people are reacting to them.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, truly, the uh, you have no idea,
Speaker 3: how bad you or the more dumb you are, the
Speaker 3: smarter you think you are, one of those things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and everyone asked that question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole incompetent people don't know they're incompetent.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's true on all topics and my
Speaker 2: experience with military people as we've Joe and I have
Speaker 2: done so many things with so many military people over
Speaker 2: the years, and we both have family members in the military.
Speaker 2: Military people tend to be pretty humble just the way
Speaker 2: they are, and the higher up the food chain you
Speaker 2: go in that the more likely they are to be humble,
Speaker 2: like Special Forces dudes, super humble guys. You would never
Speaker 2: know they And most Marines I've ever met in my
Speaker 2: life were like that also except for this guy. So
Speaker 2: I'm on vacation and my son and I is actually
Speaker 2: going to be both my boys and I were going
Speaker 2: to take this boat trip. It's like this inflatable boat
Speaker 2: probably fit fifteen to twenty people on it, maybe a
Speaker 2: couple of motors, and you're going to go out on
Speaker 2: the ocean and it was described is a pretty rough
Speaker 2: ride and then you ride around in the ocean and
Speaker 2: then there's gonna be some snarkling and then a ride
Speaker 2: back and has a pretty long trip. It was like
Speaker 2: three hours total. But anyway, they made it clear it
Speaker 2: is really rough. And then my youngest son decided he
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, and thank god he made
Speaker 2: that decision because he would have never been able to
Speaker 2: handle it. It was grueling. I mean it grueling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You had to you had to have your feet underneath
Speaker 2: these straps and then you had to hang on with
Speaker 2: both hands to these other ropes. Have you done this before?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 4: And these boats are not a smooth ride.
Speaker 2: No, no, super rough and you like had to hang
Speaker 2: on really hard with your legs and your arms to
Speaker 2: stay in the boat. It was and it was hours
Speaker 2: of this and it is a pretty physically grueling thing
Speaker 2: to do. And it was fun, but I mean you'd
Speaker 2: go over waves and land and boom, and it's just
Speaker 2: like such a jolt to your spine. I mean, it was.
Speaker 2: It was wrong. AnyWho. So before we got on the boat,
Speaker 2: there's a young dude in a bucket, hat, sunglasses and
Speaker 2: a this is on the fourth of July, a white
Speaker 2: and blue speedo. And he's a super fit guy, like
Speaker 2: big guy, guessing like six two two ten, very fit,
Speaker 2: very muscular dude.
Speaker 3: Just to clarify, the bucket had the sunglasses, the speedo
Speaker 3: and nothing else.
Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, all right, he had flip flops on. Well,
Speaker 2: grandam have a pair of flip flops red white and
Speaker 2: blue speedo and and uh, you know, there's a variety
Speaker 2: of groups so like husbands and wives or boyfriends and girlfriends,
Speaker 2: or like me and my son. And then he's by
Speaker 2: himself and they talk about before we're gonna get on
Speaker 2: the boat. The captain who is a super cool dude,
Speaker 2: really really cool dude. He was a six years in
Speaker 2: the Coastguard and then he's run other big ships around
Speaker 2: the world and he piloted this thing and he went
Speaker 2: in and out of Rocks. I mean, he's like one
Speaker 2: of the most confident people I've ever been around. In
Speaker 2: my wife, I wish I was like him. He was military,
Speaker 2: so that factors the story because he was like your
Speaker 2: regular military guy, kind of humble and you know, not
Speaker 2: trying to show off or anything like that. So he's
Speaker 2: telling us where all to sit on the boat, and
Speaker 2: you know, if you really want to smoother ride, sit
Speaker 2: in the back. It gets rougher as you go toward
Speaker 2: the front. And then if like you're really worried about this,
Speaker 2: sitting the miller middle pillar. And so there are some
Speaker 2: older people that sat in the middle pillar, some girls dead,
Speaker 2: and it kind of spread out, and my son and
Speaker 2: I were up toward the front. Marine guy takes fronts.
Speaker 2: He said, I'll take front, and guy said, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: you're sure, and he said, I'm simper fie man, I
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. Oh right, So right off the bat,
Speaker 2: Marines never freaking tell you you're the marine unless it
Speaker 2: comes up in conversation. The fact that he just said
Speaker 2: that right there is the first time I've ever heard
Speaker 2: that in my life. At the guy in the speedo.
Speaker 2: So he gets up there and he's sitting toward the front,
Speaker 2: and uh, we take off on the boat and he's
Speaker 2: just non stop talking the whole time, never stops talking,
Speaker 2: talking to the captain, talking to all the girls around him.
Speaker 2: Of course, non stop chatterbox caught it. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many times you mentioned he was a marine or
Speaker 2: he was simperfie. Wait, too many times not hanging on
Speaker 2: to any of the ropes. He would just fly up
Speaker 2: in the air and land and kind of balance some stuff. See,
Speaker 2: I don't need to hang on I'm simper fine.
Speaker 4: And I hate them already.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And it gets worse. So they're
Speaker 2: going around, and so they start handing out The captain
Speaker 2: starts handing out gloves. He said, you're you're, you're. Your
Speaker 2: knuckles are gonna get rubbed bloody holding onto the ropes
Speaker 2: against the canvas of the boats. Let me guess, So
Speaker 2: if you want to wear gloves, you can get him.
Speaker 2: He said, I don't need them, and the captain CD,
Speaker 2: I didn't know you'd take any captain city. The captain
Speaker 2: is already tired of this, dude. You can tell. Captain says, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't figure you'd want to. Of course, not simper five.
Speaker 2: We don't use gloves. Okay, we get it. Dude, you've
Speaker 2: made it clear to everyone on this tiny boat who's
Speaker 2: hurt you already you were in the Marines. He's actually
Speaker 2: still the Marines. But you're a tough guy. We all
Speaker 2: fully understand the whole dynamic of what's We just stipulate that.
Speaker 3: Move on.
Speaker 4: We get it, and it's neat.
Speaker 2: Okay. So we're on this boat ride and the captain
Speaker 2: points out a couple of hikes and swims that people
Speaker 2: do in this touristy area on the ocean, and he
Speaker 2: talks about this one. It's a seventeen mile hike and swim.
Speaker 2: Not very many people do it.
Speaker 5: Do it?
Speaker 1: Do it?
Speaker 2: It's really really hard to do. It's really grueling. You
Speaker 2: have to be like an expert swimmer. Marine voices. I
Speaker 2: just did it, did it yesterday. I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was that big a deal. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is why you go ahead.
Speaker 6: It says when you go whoops and accidentally just donkey
Speaker 6: kick him off the side of the bove.
Speaker 3: You know, if only his dad had told him like once,
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, son, or a good job.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you think that's it? Uh, that could be
Speaker 2: it and not a shock that he was by himself.
Speaker 2: But so he had done this grueling like seventeen mile
Speaker 2: coastal swim or whatever, and the captain, the coast guard
Speaker 2: veteran guy was pretty impersonally, said wow, you did that,
Speaker 2: and I said, yeah, I didn't think it was that much.
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't know how many people have
Speaker 2: done that? Were you with? Some people? Says by myself.
Speaker 2: He said, man, that's not a very good idea. I
Speaker 2: usually suggest if people are going to do that swim
Speaker 2: they have a boat with him or nah, that says
Speaker 2: a marine guy. Okay, fine, we get that going. But
Speaker 2: here's the ending of my story. This is my favorite
Speaker 2: part of the whole thing. The captain, super cool guy
Speaker 2: has a big speaker on his boat and he's blasting
Speaker 2: music the whole time, which made it kind of fun.
Speaker 2: And he's got like a bunch of different cool songs,
Speaker 2: so Jimmy Buffett tunes and different stuff like that and
Speaker 2: just you know, kind of songs that people would like.
Speaker 2: And then this song comes on Michael, So that song
Speaker 2: starts and the marine says, hey, you know what I
Speaker 2: call this song. Captain'sy like, what Freeballin'. Oh no, he's like,
Speaker 2: what Freeballin'. You know you haven't ever heard that term Freeballin'.
Speaker 2: It's like when guys don't wear underwear, we call it
Speaker 2: freeballin And I wanted to say to him, everybody got it, dude,
Speaker 2: We all underst stood from the first moment you said
Speaker 2: that you're pun You're you're you're fantastic punn. We just
Speaker 2: thought it was like coursing uncool, and there's you know,
Speaker 2: there are a couple of they're not children on here,
Speaker 2: but just a couple like high school girls or whatever,
Speaker 2: not appropriate content for them or whatever. So then when
Speaker 2: it gets to the chorus, the course comes on and
Speaker 2: he stands up. So now free balling, like really emphasize
Speaker 2: again it frea come on, everybody's a free balling? Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you testicles? Michael?
Speaker 2: You're right, Yes, they're good. I actually thought, at one point,
Speaker 2: are you a Saturday Night Live bit?
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, are you in the background of
Speaker 3: some jackass ish video you're reacting to? That's wow?
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
Speaker 6: This guy sounds cringe from start to finish. Every part
Speaker 6: of this.
Speaker 2: I hate oh yeah, it was just it was tough
Speaker 2: and I didn't know if my son was picking up
Speaker 2: on it or not. But when we got off the body,
Speaker 2: he was like, God, that guy was an ad you
Speaker 2: know whole u oh yeah, everybody and the captain just
Speaker 2: trying to ignore it. No, what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Free ballin'? Okay? Do you get it? Yeah? I get it.
Speaker 2: We all get everybody gets it. See the problems. And
Speaker 2: that's where I come in with the emotional intelligence thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was clear all of us looking around
Speaker 2: that we I mean, we're all looking at each other.
Speaker 2: We all felt exactly the same way, and I would
Speaker 2: like to It's like an experiment as a sociologist to
Speaker 2: talk to the guy and say, are you really not
Speaker 2: picking up on any of the cues that everybody on
Speaker 2: this boat is giving that one? They're tired of hearing
Speaker 2: you talk too. They don't think your course jokes are funny,
Speaker 2: Like you really that hasn't sunk into you at all?
Speaker 4: Was he drinking?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Do you think he was a real marine or was he.
Speaker 2: Just being I definitely think he is a real marine
Speaker 2: and he had all the They talked a lot about
Speaker 2: what base you've been on and when you get out
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, and he had too much knowledge
Speaker 2: about it. I think his marine. I just think he.
Speaker 2: I think he's a super stud athlete, good looking guy.
Speaker 2: So the the there's a captain, and then there's another
Speaker 2: person who's like the tour guide and talks and takes
Speaker 2: lots of pictures. And she was like twenty five and
Speaker 2: super attractive. She went up to the front to sit
Speaker 2: by him at one point, like when we first started,
Speaker 2: because I think she was singing, here's a single guy,
Speaker 2: good looking guy. I'm good looking girl, I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 2: She was up there like five minutes, went back to
Speaker 2: the back of the boat.
Speaker 6: Okay, from the department of this is why you're single, dude?
Speaker 3: You know, uh number number one? Well, I'll skip to
Speaker 3: this second point reminds me of a dude I ran
Speaker 3: into in La Ma's classes when Judy was pregnant with
Speaker 3: her first and it was so obviously a case where
Speaker 3: a big stud dumb ass found himself some hot dumb
Speaker 3: chick and the two of them got together and pretty
Speaker 3: quickly started to make each other insane. And he is
Speaker 3: so clearly headed for that sort of future. He's got
Speaker 3: to be in the outermost, like three percent of utterly clueless.
Speaker 2: Right, And man, imagine how difficult that is to make
Speaker 2: it through life if you can't read other people's reactions
Speaker 2: to you at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're standing on a boat screaming, freeballing.
Speaker 2: Right and in a family setting. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 2: wouldn't been It wouldn't have been funny if we'd all
Speaker 2: been nineteen year old dudes. It's still yeah, we get it,
Speaker 2: We got it right at the beginning. You don't need
Speaker 2: to sing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was no way for the captain to make
Speaker 5: him accidentally fall overboard.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I was just gonna say, karma really demanded that.
Speaker 3: When the boat flew up in the air, he smacked
Speaker 3: down hard, maybe on them, you know, Karma punishing him
Speaker 3: for his well, the aforementioned sins.
Speaker 2: And I thought kind of what you were thinking there
Speaker 2: is like, how many women have fallen for this good
Speaker 2: looking studley dude and how long did it take him
Speaker 2: to figure out? And or is the reverse? Is this
Speaker 2: the really dumb hot chick that guys put up with
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I see him connecting with either
Speaker 3: the and forgive me for referencing it in anyway, But
Speaker 3: the Hawk twak girl who was viral for a cup
Speaker 3: of coffee, or the two stupid good looking chicks who
Speaker 3: stole the girl scouts money who we've played the clips
Speaker 3: of whoa Right many times? Well, they had the money
Speaker 3: and I wanted it. Uh, he'll end up with one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: Or both of them.
Speaker 6: Probably Speaking of the Hawk two egg girl, I just
Speaker 6: want to let you know. I was at a bar
Speaker 6: over our vacation and my husband was elsewhere. So this
Speaker 6: guy came up and stood next to me and went, Hey,
Speaker 6: I just want to let you know. You look just
Speaker 6: like the hawk two ey girl.
Speaker 2: Oh, And I.
Speaker 6: Said, first of all, no, I don't. Second of all,
Speaker 6: is that your opening line? That's what you're going up
Speaker 6: to chicks now and saying, So anyway, I'm apparently the
Speaker 6: other hawk two ey girl.
Speaker 3: I got a marine, buddy, I think you should beat
Speaker 3: the two you get along grape.
Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Fretty, The Armstrong and Getty Show,
Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3: Here's we're talking about the neo Marxist trying to subvert
Speaker 3: society and what Americans love and are proud of and
Speaker 3: the rest of it, and a lot of people go
Speaker 3: along with them because they think they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 3: Here's a Democrat led town in Connecticut. This state trooper
Speaker 3: was killed by a hit and run driver last week.
Speaker 3: Young man family, the whole tragic story that you've heard,
Speaker 3: you know too many times. But several of the council
Speaker 3: people wanted to fly the thin Blue Line flag in
Speaker 3: his honor and explained why they wanted to and what
Speaker 3: a fine fellow he was and what a tragedy it was.
Speaker 2: But several of the.
Speaker 3: Council members said, no, we can't do that. It represents
Speaker 3: racism and antagonism to many many people. And if you
Speaker 3: don't personally believe that, and you fly it at your
Speaker 3: house and think it means something to you, that's fine,
Speaker 3: but we can't do it because again, it represents racism
Speaker 3: antagonism to many many people. Here's how this works. The
Speaker 3: flag which has always indicated support for concern for love
Speaker 3: for police officers. During the heyday of the defund the
Speaker 3: police movement, the Black Lives Matter movements, which are both
Speaker 3: neo Marxist movements.
Speaker 2: They're trying to tear down the West.
Speaker 3: They've admitted as much. While they were in the midst
Speaker 3: of that fervor, they convinced people that any support of
Speaker 3: police police is racist and antagonistic, even though it's not
Speaker 3: and it was never intended to be. But they convinced
Speaker 3: a bunch of people that a legitimate expression of support
Speaker 3: for police is racist. And so now you have people saying,
Speaker 3: I've heard.
Speaker 2: That's racist, right, or at least controversial. Right.
Speaker 3: That's how that works, as James Lindsay has put it, Really,
Speaker 3: James Lindsay, if you want to control something, call it
Speaker 3: racist until you control it. Here's another brief example. Here's
Speaker 3: a North Carolina teen, North Carolina, you ought to be
Speaker 3: better than this, suspended from school for using the term
Speaker 3: illegal alien in a classroom discussion. An administrator likened that
Speaker 3: to saying the N word, sixteen year old Christian McGee. Right, wow, right,
Speaker 3: and so now is this here's the difference between the
Speaker 3: N word and illegal alien.
Speaker 2: I can say illegal alien over and over, just like
Speaker 2: you did, teacher, illegal alien, illegal aid. Try saying the
Speaker 2: N word. You'll notice the different real quick well.
Speaker 3: And Czech federal statutes, you will find the term illegal
Speaker 3: alien all over the damned place. So is this school
Speaker 3: administrator an activist, a Marxist activist, could be there are
Speaker 3: a lot of them. Are they just a soft head
Speaker 3: that has been swept up in thinking? Oh, that's I'm
Speaker 3: told that it's racist to use that term, So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna punish anybody who does.
Speaker 2: Probably that one the useful idiot right.
Speaker 3: It is in no way, which is why it makes
Speaker 3: me so crazy that now you hear even Fox News
Speaker 3: using the term migrant. How did we decide to go
Speaker 3: from illegal immigrant to immigrant to migrant? It's because activists
Speaker 3: on the far left insisted on it and said if
Speaker 3: you don't, you're a racist. And people said, dud, I
Speaker 3: don't want to be a racist, So I'll do what
Speaker 3: you tell.
Speaker 5: Me to do.
Speaker 3: How about a little independent thought, folks? Goodness?
Speaker 1: Are you strong?
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Speaker 2: I really like to know what's hot. I just partially
Speaker 2: I think it's good for the radio show. Partially, I
Speaker 2: just I'm interested in note. I like to know if
Speaker 2: there's a super hot band, super hot movie, super hot whatever,
Speaker 2: clothing style, whatever. I just like to know. And so
Speaker 2: the other day I'm walking through the newsroom and Jensen,
Speaker 2: who you may have heard on our show before, she's
Speaker 2: in the newsroom. She said, do you watch The Bear?
Speaker 2: I said, to what now? She said, it is my
Speaker 2: favorite show of all time, Not just my favorite show
Speaker 2: right now, it's the best TV show ever. And now
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, we ought to have you on to
Speaker 2: talk about it. And then, weirdly, in the next forty
Speaker 2: eight hours, I came across a couple of different articles
Speaker 2: or tweets or whatever from people saying this season of
Speaker 2: The Bear might be better than last season. It's my
Speaker 2: favorite TV show of all time. We brought it up
Speaker 2: on the radio show. We got a number of text
Speaker 2: when people say it's my favorite show ever ever. That's
Speaker 2: a heck of a thing to say.
Speaker 3: It's a story about a guy who takes a trained
Speaker 3: bear around the country playing county fairs, makes the thing dance, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it on cocaine occasionally, a.
Speaker 2: Guy who drives from town to town in an old truck,
Speaker 2: engaging in street fights, and he's got this charming bear
Speaker 2: that rides with.
Speaker 3: Him that sounds terrific solves people's problems.
Speaker 2: Anyway, We got a couple of clips from The Bear.
Speaker 2: It's actually it's a.
Speaker 3: Story about the guy who's like a brilliant, gifted chef
Speaker 3: and his brother who runs a Chicago sandwich shop, dies
Speaker 3: and he has to take over the family business. That's
Speaker 3: the broad outlines or the very basic outline.
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, here's here's the first clip. This is a
Speaker 2: delicate ecosystem and it's held together by a shared history,
Speaker 2: a love. I have every intention of turning this into
Speaker 2: a respectable place of business.
Speaker 3: Eventually.
Speaker 2: That's funny. The music reminds me. I'd read a couple
Speaker 2: of different places that the soundtrack for The Bear is
Speaker 2: just fantastic. That's one of the things that draws people in.
Speaker 2: But I did as to be Willco there in the background,
Speaker 2: the only, the only the way I can watch a
Speaker 2: TV show as if my kids can watch it. So why,
Speaker 2: I asked Jensen, I said, is it okay for kids?
Speaker 2: She said absolutely not. And I guess this next clip
Speaker 2: will make that evident. It's some of the tension in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. Let's hear it, Ebra, make sandwiches. Don't stop
Speaker 2: making sandwiches. I'm gonna make three sections. Okay, they're gonna
Speaker 2: be wet, hot and sweet. All right, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: green tape. Make those sections, Louis, I want you to
Speaker 2: get the sandwiches. Put them on the corresponding sections. Yea sweet, Yes, Mark,
Speaker 2: You're gonna fire every single chicken we have?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 5: Okay, Ritchie, do you even know how to do price?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 2: Marcus? Where are we on?
Speaker 7: Cakes?
Speaker 2: Get in there?
Speaker 7: Getting what?
Speaker 2: Marcus?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Still working on this?
Speaker 5: Come on?
Speaker 2: What are you tripping for? Doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 5: There's four kicks and stool.
Speaker 2: They're not even cut yet. I am I'm doing them
Speaker 2: in five big everything, Fire everything. Okay, I'll fire everything now.
Speaker 2: I just was finishing. Step out, Marcus and step out.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Talk to Marcus now. Thank you. We're firing seventy six piece,
Speaker 2: thirty four chickens okay, twelve French fries, twelve mash oush.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm you know a deli version, Gordon Ramsey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm intrigued. I heard sandwich from people I'm from,
Speaker 2: people have known who worked in kitchens. That is a
Speaker 2: relatively accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow wow, It's like if the Sopranos are making sandwiches.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. I'll probably watch an episode tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's obviously, if people are raving about it,
Speaker 3: there's there's much more to it than the mechanics or
Speaker 3: what can be described.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, obviously. Yeah, if you can, if you can
Speaker 2: give a good flavor of your hard and then pun
Speaker 2: of a show with a thirty second clip, and ain't
Speaker 2: ain't that great? It ain't. That's probably a bad show, right, exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like a song you love the first time you hear,
Speaker 3: it's probably going to bother you by the third time, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And in being a pigheaded idiot, it took me a
Speaker 3: while to understand that great documentaries are all about people.
Speaker 3: They're all about humankind and our struggles and whether it's well,
Speaker 3: it's a story about a guy who trims bear's fingernails
Speaker 3: at a zoo, and I'm thinking, I don't have any
Speaker 3: particular interest in bears fingernails, but it's an award winning documentary.
Speaker 3: Just watch it. It's gonna end up being about life,
Speaker 3: right right, anyway, do we have time for that? While
Speaker 3: I suppose to the podcast, we can make it as
Speaker 3: long as we want to.
Speaker 2: Where Joe Rogan, we got three hours left.
Speaker 3: No thank you. My froat already hurts. At the end
Speaker 3: of the radio show, came across this Twitter thread that
Speaker 3: I thought was absolutely terrific, and we'll post a link
Speaker 3: for you at Armstrong and Getty dot com. It's an
Speaker 3: analysis of how Julius Caesar started his political career. And
Speaker 3: this historian said he was Rome's second greatest orator after Cicero.
Speaker 3: And here are nine lessons from a brilliant early speech
Speaker 3: of his that made his career take off. And he
Speaker 3: wasn't as a young man. He came from a good family,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't really taken very seriously. He was deep
Speaker 3: and dead. He had a reputation as a playboy. He
Speaker 3: had kind of a Matt Gaitsiz reputation.
Speaker 2: If I may, he said, I got this idea for
Speaker 2: a salad. Nobody would listen, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, raw eggs, What are you crazy? Anyway? In sixty
Speaker 3: three BC, the conspiracy of Cataline was unearthed. Evidence came
Speaker 3: forward to plots to murder senators, burn the city of Rome,
Speaker 3: overthrow the republic. You can look more into it if
Speaker 3: you want, but the Senate in Rome declared martial law
Speaker 3: to avert the danger and said essentially that the danger
Speaker 3: is so severe there's no time for trials. We've just
Speaker 3: got around these people up and execute them. And Caesar
Speaker 3: thought that was a bad idea, and he delivered a
Speaker 3: speech in the Senate against summary execution. And according to
Speaker 3: this historian, his speech is a master class in swaying
Speaker 3: a group gripped by fear and anger away from acting
Speaker 3: on their urges. And I don't know if we'll go
Speaker 3: through all of this, but we'll do part of it.
Speaker 3: Number One, name the emotions your audience is feeling. And
Speaker 3: some of this to you who are like more intuitive, persuasive,
Speaker 3: you're good at you know, you're good at speaking and
Speaker 3: influencing people. Maybe a little obvious to you, but I
Speaker 3: just thought it was interesting to see it laid out.
Speaker 3: So name the emotions your audience is feeling that you
Speaker 3: need them to not act on. Chris Voss calls this
Speaker 3: tactical empathy. Caesar begins by doing this in order to
Speaker 3: clear a little room for reason. Quote, members of the Senate,
Speaker 3: all men who deliberate upon difficult questions had best be
Speaker 3: devoid of hatred, friendship, anger, and pity. When those feelings
Speaker 3: stand in the way, the mind cannot at all easily
Speaker 3: discern the truth. And no one has ever served at
Speaker 3: the same time his passions and his best interests. When
Speaker 3: you apply your intellect, it prevails. If passion takes control,
Speaker 3: it is master, whereas the mind is.
Speaker 2: Entirely impotent and has been my experience, it has.
Speaker 3: Absolutely been my experience. That would be incredibly unpopular in
Speaker 3: politics today, where anger and passion and yeah, is like
Speaker 3: that's the only thing that matters practically.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 3: I read another study the other day as a tangent
Speaker 3: that people are much easier to mislead when they're anger.
Speaker 3: When they're angry, you can convince them of about anything
Speaker 3: if it feeds their anger.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 2: Really, that's an interesting thought.
Speaker 3: And I thought, yeah, I kind of got hung up
Speaker 3: on that because I thought, yeah, not only another person
Speaker 3: can convince me of something when I'm angry, but I
Speaker 3: can convince me of stuff that later I think, that's
Speaker 3: not true. That's not healthy, it's not good that other
Speaker 3: person isn't guilty of that. You're more easy to mislead
Speaker 3: when you're angry.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Caesar went on to say, you're gonna have a
Speaker 2: really giant baby. I got a plan for that.
Speaker 3: Let's see, but that's not enough. Number two, tell us
Speaker 3: story as quickly as possible. Are several, preferably stories that
Speaker 3: appeal to the audience's identity. Stories from history are good,
Speaker 3: especially if you're talking to a group. Caesar said in
Speaker 3: the Punic Wars, although the Carthaginians, both in peace time
Speaker 3: and during truces, often did many abominable deeds, our ancestors
Speaker 3: never did likewise when they had the opportunity, but they
Speaker 3: took into consideration what conduct would be consistent with their dignity,
Speaker 3: rather than what action could be justified against the Carthaginians,
Speaker 3: so appealed to the shared history of the group. Number three,
Speaker 3: make very clear what the story means and how it
Speaker 3: relates to your point. Caesar's point in the speech is
Speaker 3: showing restraint was essential to the Romans coming to dominate
Speaker 3: the world. That was one of their best qualities. Restraint
Speaker 3: is in your best interests you likewise, members of the
Speaker 3: Senate must see to it that the villainy of Popelius,
Speaker 3: Lentilus and the rest do not have more weight with
Speaker 3: you than your own dignity, and that you do not
Speaker 3: take more thought for your anger than for your good name.
Speaker 3: Number four, affirm emotions while making clear they are not
Speaker 3: relevant to the decision, especially if other voices are actively
Speaker 3: trying to stir up those emotions against your advice. Again,
Speaker 3: empathy plus reason. Are they trying to get us angry?
Speaker 3: We're already angry. In other words, here's what he said.
Speaker 3: Most of those who have expressed their opinions before me
Speaker 3: have deplored the lot of the nation in well structured,
Speaker 3: grand language. They recounted the horrors of the war, the
Speaker 3: wretched fate of the conquered, the rape of maidens and boys,
Speaker 3: children torn from their parents' arms, matrons objected to the
Speaker 3: will of the victors, shrines and houses pillaged, bloodshed, knacts
Speaker 3: of arson, in short, everywhere, arms and corpses, gore, and lamentation.
Speaker 3: But by the immortal gods, what was the aim of
Speaker 3: that eloquence? Was it to make you detest the conspiracy?
Speaker 3: You know, if this is the second greatest orator in Rome,
Speaker 3: and I believe the guy's right, I gotta read more.
Speaker 2: Cissera.
Speaker 3: That is so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Number five, praise your opponent's good intentions, build common ground
Speaker 3: with the real people you need to persuade.
Speaker 2: We don't do any of that anymore.
Speaker 3: Not really, And he mentions one of the guys who's
Speaker 3: on the other side of it. He calls him a
Speaker 3: gallant and dedicated man who said what he said out
Speaker 3: of patriotism. I know this man's character and such his moderation.
Speaker 3: So he singles out one of his main opponents, praises
Speaker 3: him up and down, and by the way slips in
Speaker 3: in moderation is his greatest quality. Happens to be what
Speaker 3: I'm arguing for.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Number six appeal to tradition and self explanatory. Number seven
Speaker 3: cite more history to show this is a dangerous precedent
Speaker 3: going in the other direction. Number eight recommend an alternative.
Speaker 3: He recommended that they have the guilty guys all their
Speaker 3: assets confiscated, and then be sent to prisons throughout Italy,
Speaker 3: probably to await a trial. Once the danger passed, who
Speaker 3: everybody could calm the f down. Ah, Then here's the twist,
Speaker 3: plot twist. The Senate was swayed at first, but then
Speaker 3: Cato the Younger delivered a speech in favor of execution.
Speaker 3: The Senate adopted Cato's proposal and recommended Cicero execute the prisoners.
Speaker 3: So Caesar lost. Oh but that brings us to number nine.
Speaker 3: Taking stance for moderation can be good even if you lose.
Speaker 3: Caesar probably knew he wouldn't win, but he had an
Speaker 3: additional motivation. Cataline raised an army of ten thousand by
Speaker 3: championing the interests of the poor, downtrodden, disaffected Rome, the
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent. When Cataline failed and died, the poorn
Speaker 3: down trodden remembered Caesar as a champion of their lost
Speaker 3: cause because he was reasonable and just, and indeed he
Speaker 3: became the emperor.
Speaker 2: And then number ten. Crutons are the key to my salad.
Speaker 2: They allow a crunch that you wouldn't otherwise have.
Speaker 3: Anchovies are no Now, I am staunchly pro anchovy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm disgusted by anchovies.
Speaker 3: There are fishers, right, not or something?
Speaker 2: There are a fisher something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a fish or rat? A fish or a shoe string? No,
Speaker 3: they're a fish.
Speaker 2: Very salty sounds disgusting.
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Speaker 2: Podcasts, Katie. Your view on Ben Affleck smart guy, dumb guy,
Speaker 2: hot guy.
Speaker 4: Don't care. He's not bad looking. I mean he's all right.
Speaker 2: He was the world's Sexiest man once for People magazine,
Speaker 2: Oh oh, the last once.
Speaker 3: He's dead sexy. You can't deny it, but he I think.
Speaker 2: He comes off as a dope, which makes you less sexy.
Speaker 6: And in all a lot of the photos I've seen
Speaker 6: of him, at least recently, he always looks mad.
Speaker 2: Well he's a drunk. So uh, there's the drunks, unless you,
Speaker 2: you know, find a way to deal with it, tend
Speaker 2: to be quite unhappy when they're not drunk.
Speaker 3: So I came across this. This was Ben Affleck in
Speaker 3: two thousand and three talking about the future of entertainment,
Speaker 3: and I was own away about you know how much
Speaker 3: he nailed. Michael, we can stop this right and restart it,
Speaker 3: you know, stop it.
Speaker 5: It's completely impossible, Yes, of course we can.
Speaker 3: You all right, go ahead roll it.
Speaker 7: I believe that the industry has been too slow to
Speaker 7: embrace and adopt these paradigms. If you look at historically
Speaker 7: in terms of technologies, in terms of consumer based technologies,
Speaker 7: you have like basically shared where that introduces the consumer
Speaker 7: to it at no cost, at which point the consumers
Speaker 7: on the hook they figured out, they've worked out the kinks,
Speaker 7: they figured out how to interact with it and how
Speaker 7: to exploit it, and then you truge a fee, and
Speaker 7: the consumer historically has been willing to pay that fee.
Speaker 7: I think I think an annual subscription based system is
Speaker 7: the one that works. You have the music business three
Speaker 7: point four billion dollars a year business, okay, which is
Speaker 7: largely about one point seven million people in the country
Speaker 7: spending two hundred dollars a year. That's same people would
Speaker 7: spend those two hundred dollars a year each year to
Speaker 7: have us access to basically the entire library of bist
Speaker 7: in music. And of course you continue to read for
Speaker 7: subscription because you pay for new music. Relators would be
Speaker 7: paid in or directly to the to the artists. You
Speaker 7: have less overhead, you pay no shipping packaging, and you
Speaker 7: pay no You know that there's this mammoth amount of
Speaker 7: executives at music companies that are alowing off a lot
Speaker 7: of that money. I believe that paradigm is the most
Speaker 7: effective productive.
Speaker 2: That's the paradigm that Adam Smith would most want.
Speaker 7: I think their inefficiencies in the market now and I
Speaker 7: think they're being worked out. And I think file sharing
Speaker 7: is pushing the industry towards death balance because you know,
Speaker 7: it's because of its availability right now.
Speaker 1: Well, eventually it's just going to be video on demand,
Speaker 1: movies on demand because bottom line is going to eventually
Speaker 1: affect your guys's pocketbooks if piracy container.
Speaker 7: Piracy movies, and it will be it'll be moves on demand,
Speaker 7: but it'll be a tear structure. It will be like
Speaker 7: if you want to watch it first weekends, maybe it
Speaker 7: won't be available first weekend, but then if you want
Speaker 7: to watch it, you know, you'll pay more. And then
Speaker 7: as it goes to another stage and its release, it'll
Speaker 7: become less expensive. But there's a lot more adoption that
Speaker 7: has to happen technologically speaking right now before people can
Speaker 7: watch movies or at least integrate in terms of the
Speaker 7: PC web connection. You know, the catacnology is not quite
Speaker 7: there yet, but it will be within I would say
Speaker 7: five years.
Speaker 2: That's pretty impassive, and he drops in Adam Smith in
Speaker 2: there I changed my mind about Ben Affleck.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how far ahead of his
Speaker 3: time was, but if I'd been listening to that and
Speaker 3: had some cash around, I might have thought, Wow, people
Speaker 3: are going to be streaming music instead of buying it physically.
Speaker 3: I ought to get on the ground floor of whoever's
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what was going on in two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, that's clear back in like napster days, wasn't
Speaker 2: that Like.
Speaker 6: That's exactly because I was trying to think, why would
Speaker 6: he be talking about this? But this is when Napster
Speaker 6: and LimeWire were really big for people pirrating music.
Speaker 2: Now, Michael, you or someone that you knew, not you,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't do that now whatever someone you knew used
Speaker 2: to get pirated movies like somehow. Do you remember how
Speaker 2: they had.
Speaker 5: All sorts of burning DVD software that yeah, people could do.
Speaker 2: And they would just find him on websites online.
Speaker 5: I him online. You could uh take the physical media
Speaker 5: and then copy it. Ever were things that got around
Speaker 5: the You.
Speaker 2: Know, can that same person still do that to this
Speaker 2: day or is it harder now?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: I'm sure you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can definitely do it today, But it just
Speaker 2: not makes sense.
Speaker 3: Find point.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: So I guess Ben Affleck's point was what you're calling
Speaker 3: pirrating and and file sharing and all that is clearly
Speaker 3: the way things are going and and and.
Speaker 2: Well you didn't he didn't catch his his uh term
Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, his Boston accent was really coming
Speaker 2: out there. Did he not work as hard back then
Speaker 2: to get rid of his his share where it's wicked
Speaker 2: and smart, the share where.
Speaker 3: You got to have the sharewear.
Speaker 2: That was kind of funny. Oh yeah, with the sharewear.
Speaker 3: Fucky cat Jimmy's getting He's got sharewear for you.
Speaker 2: You give you a floppy diss just take it from him.
Speaker 2: Well it's another How smart is it? Celebrity Wednesday? Next Wednesday,
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