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Speaker 1: This he is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern, and

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Hello everyone, and welcome into another edition of

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Of course, always joined by the greatest Brian

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Speaker 1: Rob Mickey here in the SWBC Mortgage Studio. We've got

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Speaker 1: a good show today. We're gonna look at some big

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Speaker 1: picture things, kind of get a general sense of what's

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Speaker 1: really going on in the NFL after a kind of

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Speaker 1: a crazy weekend in different games that were wild and

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Speaker 1: people weren't expecting. So how's everyone doing today that's always

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Speaker 1: ready to roll, doing great? Taking a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a deep breath as the Cowboys are trying to get

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Speaker 1: their legs underneath them today. Yeah, they had kind of

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Speaker 1: they'd released a couple of media schedules right out through

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Speaker 1: the game, and then of course yesterday afternoon changed it

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Speaker 1: up a bit and the team will not practice today.

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Speaker 1: They will have an open locker room, but they're not

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Speaker 1: going to practice. Come in for a later meeting. That's

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Speaker 1: what Garrett said, kind of get back to what they

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Speaker 1: know and what they do. But people were asking, and

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Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys think. They were

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Speaker 1: thinking that this is becoming a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: disadvantage for the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, they're coming off

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Speaker 1: a short week game on Monday night. The Rams are

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Speaker 1: coming off a longer week with having the game last

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. How much does that really factor in to

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Speaker 1: your preparation for the game? I think maybe from not

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Speaker 1: so much from a preparation standpoint, because you've seen you've

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Speaker 1: seen the Rams they played Thursday, so you know you've

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Speaker 1: got people on your staff that could get a head

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Speaker 1: start on that. Maybe just from a rest and recuperation standpoint.

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Speaker 1: It is a short weekend, by the way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to look past the Rams, and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: But the Packers next says the same way. They play

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Speaker 1: this Thursday night, so they'll have a few extra days off.

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Speaker 1: So it's not ideal for their schedule for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not fair. Let's just say it. You had to

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Speaker 1: play on the other coast on a Monday night, no

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Speaker 1: one got to bed before four thirty five in the

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Speaker 1: morning on Tuesday. On Tuesday, you're normally having two days

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Speaker 1: so you're gonna have one less day of practice. They'll

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Speaker 1: have a walk through at four o'clock. That's like a

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Speaker 1: meeting on the field basically, and then you get one.

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Speaker 1: They probably won't even put the pads on this week. No,

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Speaker 1: they'll save a padded practice for sure. It kind of

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Speaker 1: feels like a Thanksgiving week in a way. It sort

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Speaker 1: of does. Yeah, and you have a noon game too,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people are excited about that, I know,

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Speaker 1: because it's right there early in the day. But that

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Speaker 1: kind of cuts your time too, you know. They were

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Speaker 1: talking about it. I was hearing some players talking about it.

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Speaker 1: They're like, noon games are great, but you have to

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Speaker 1: get up so early. Well, think about it. If you're

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Speaker 1: you know, So that means you're up at seven. Probably

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Speaker 1: you're at the hotel, right, they spend the night at

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Speaker 1: early game for the Rams though too, so yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the one advantage at least they're traveling. They're not in

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis anymore. Right. The one advantage that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: do have is the fact that they and I myself,

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Speaker 1: Monday they were already in prep of, okay, what do

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Speaker 1: I me, personally, I would love the NFL to take

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with two Monday night games. If that's what

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Speaker 1: it's surely not, you know, for the health of the players.

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Speaker 1: The league has made it to where it's all now

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Speaker 1: about divisional games. We don't see any games. And the

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Speaker 1: visual games are great, you know, Giants first, Cowboys, Giants first,

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Speaker 1: Redskins are all great. But to me, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I would make teams have to play on Thursdays feel

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Speaker 1: more comfortable. If it was something like, hey, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: That's just one Thursday. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: and maybe you add to that day. You just know

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Speaker 1: The Rams. Yeah, they and the Rams had a nice victory.

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Speaker 1: but they've got some of the same challenges. I mean,

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Speaker 1: their coaches didn't get the prep on the Cowboys until Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're behind a day on their prep. How much

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Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys threw in a few plays

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Speaker 1: we and we talked about Brian in motion. That's a

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Speaker 1: know it is it's the advantage that the Cowboys have,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, yeah, physically it's not an advantage right now,

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Speaker 1: but prep wise, they do have an advantage. And you

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Speaker 1: But you know, we only get to go out there

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Speaker 1: it allows them to heal a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: find a way to let them heal a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: This is a team that landed at four o'clock in

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Speaker 1: off their feet a little bit. To Brian's point, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were at a bigger disadvantage week two against Denver because, yes,

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Speaker 1: Denver played Monday night and they only had one game

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Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett always yeah, Jason Garrett always talks about

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Speaker 1: in the summertime, coaches sit around and say, Okay, what

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Speaker 1: things do we need to work on. Okay, we don't

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Speaker 1: they have right now. Yeah, I've heard them talk about

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Speaker 1: how they'd prepare for these crazy to kind of week

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Speaker 1: see what Jordan Lewis and Shaun Lee could do with

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Speaker 1: the little tweaked hamstrings going into this week. Now they

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Speaker 1: Lewis is one definitely an eye on, because I think

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Speaker 1: Sean is more in position of as a veteran guy,

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Speaker 1: short week, ready to go if his body's right, and

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Speaker 1: it sounded like he was feeling better coming off of

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they were banged up, you would say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see just where those guys are

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. But you know, practice for him obviously, you

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Speaker 1: saw him get practice, what do you do? Played much better.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's where practice time makes a difference. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now DeMarcus Lawrence will be joining Shawn Lee and David

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Speaker 1: Irvine and something that Cowboys haven't had in the last

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Speaker 1: five seasons. They have now all been named defensive Players

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Speaker 1: of the Week. Obviously David Irvine last year with the

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Speaker 1: performance against the Packers. Shaun Lee remind me when that

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Speaker 1: one was. Was that against the Giants last year? He

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Speaker 1: It was one of those games we had probably seventeen Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But DeMarcus Lawrence getting this one for his performance on

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Speaker 1: for him. Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean he's yeah, no, quick, Brian,

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Speaker 1: he is. Not only did he he make history with

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Speaker 1: he's the third guy ever to have multiple sacks in

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Speaker 1: He should have eight right now, he should be tied

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Speaker 1: for the most ever. Uh, if you take it's the record.

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Speaker 1: Mark Gassino in nineteen eighty four, pretty pretty exclusive company

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Speaker 1: Who of course, we've talked at length about that. Hey,

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Speaker 1: hadn't and I hadn't read it before. I had read

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Speaker 1: it before, and it was almost shocking when you were like,

427
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Speaker 1: and I'm going, you know, nestled, and I'm going, what

428
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Speaker 1: did I just say? Some of these are yeah, but

429
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Speaker 1: shop Tommy John. It's make sure we get one every

430
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Speaker 1: day now, Yeah, you got it is comfortable. Yeah, never

431
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Speaker 1: forget that. Thank you, Rob, You got it all right. Well,

432
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: we got into it a little bit earlier in the show.

433
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Speaker 1: Shaan Lee dealing with a little bit of a hamstring tweak.

434
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Speaker 1: Not exactly sure what he'll be able to do this week.

435
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: Coach Garrett said, we'll see, yeah, and of course they

436
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: won't really get to the practice field until tomorrow. But

437
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: with that, I was just curious, and we'll get into

438
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: more of the Rams talk, but let's just kind of

439
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: cover this first. Will this defense be able to handle

440
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: the Rams with Shaun Lee maybe dealing with a hamstring,

441
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: possibly not even playing, It's a great question. Jared Goff

442
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: kind of on a roll right now. Todd Gurley saying

443
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: they're going to whoop up on the Cowboys was kind

444
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: of It was a joke to Michael Irvin. Yeah, I'm

445
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: not trying to twist words. You were trying to start something.

446
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the Rams say this, I don't think so.

447
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: He was joking with Michael Irvin on Thursday Night Football

448
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Speaker 1: after he had a solid performance. He did, and he's

449
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Speaker 1: an elite running back and this is an offense that

450
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expected be this good. This efficient

451
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Speaker 1: this early in the season. Absolutely, though, you know, if

452
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Speaker 1: you you're talking about your leading, your defensive captain not

453
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Speaker 1: being there, potentially that would be a concern, I would

454
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Speaker 1: think for sure. I man, I I would hate to

455
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: imagine this defense having to play without Sean Lee in

456
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: any game, but especially this game, because if we all

457
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Speaker 1: you have to do is think about what the what

458
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Speaker 1: the what the Redskins used to do to the Cowboy

459
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: at least at least with Sean McVay as the offensive coronea.

460
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: I think Jay Gruden called the plays. But you talk

461
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: about the creativity that the Rams or at the Redskins

462
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: hat and the way they were able to move the

463
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Speaker 1: ball against the Cowboys. And they've got weapons. I mean,

464
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Speaker 1: we'll get into this. I mean they got a quarterback

465
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Speaker 1: that is playing. Yeah, he's finding some he's finding some

466
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Speaker 1: finding himself a little bit. They're running the ball with girly.

467
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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is a much better unit. Uh yeah.

468
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Speaker 1: I And I think mcvay's creativity hurts hurts defenses. And

469
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Speaker 1: without Sean Lee. Nothing against the other linebackers Jalen Smith

470
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Speaker 1: and what they've done, but Seawan Lee's instinctive ability to

471
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Speaker 1: make plays can get you off the field. And I

472
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Speaker 1: worry about that because I could say we've we've seen

473
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Speaker 1: what McVey was able to do with the Redskins. They

474
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: put up a ton of yards, you know, against the

475
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys the last couple of years, and watching the tape,

476
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: it's very similar. It's just guys in blue and white uniforms. Now,

477
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: this is one instance where next man up doesn't doesn't apply,

478
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: doesn't apply. It's well said. That is well said. Forget

479
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: about it, can't really And what you want is for

480
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Speaker 1: Sean Lee to have his helmet on speaking to Jalen

481
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Smith the entire play. That would work a little earbut

482
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: thing Dungee. Is it a Tony Dungee commercial where he's

483
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Speaker 1: talking to the guy on the date they both got

484
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: helmets on. Yeah, that's what they would need. They would

485
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Speaker 1: miss that dearly. That is that's well said. Because you think,

486
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 1: you say, you think about the Redskins and the Rams

487
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: are on a roll. They really are offensively on a roll.

488
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Speaker 1: And you I would never have believed going into the

489
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Speaker 1: season it was always going to be about Wade Phillips

490
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Speaker 1: and this defense. Look at this defense, Look at the

491
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Speaker 1: there are three four defense. The defense has been a

492
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Speaker 1: little bit. You know, there's been some struggles there for

493
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Speaker 1: them for them, Yeah, but the offense is the one

494
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of elevated their game. I mean, what's wrong

495
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Speaker 1: with this picture. The Cowboys have the nineteenth ranked offense,

496
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: the Rams have the seventh ranked offense, The Rams have

497
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: the twenty second ranked defense, and the Cowboys have the

498
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: tenth ranked defense. There you go a little different than

499
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: people would have expected. Now, they also got to play

500
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: the Colts and the forty nine Ers. The Colts, we've

501
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: all realized teams that are struggling maybe the worst roster

502
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: in football, I'll say that, Yeah, especially when you don't

503
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: have a quarterback or your center and yeah, yeah, but yeah,

504
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: it's bad when you when you look at and they did.

505
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: They mauled them. There's no doubt they mauled them. I

506
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Speaker 1: thought the games against the red Skins though in the

507
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: forty nine the forty nine Ers were able to get

508
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: some traction though, and you know, I mean they scored

509
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Speaker 1: thirty nine. Yeah, it was it was a back and forth.

510
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: I you know, with Sean Lee out of the lineup,

511
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's gonna have to pee where you have to

512
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: play that way? Yeah, and your fast track Hitchens. Well,

513
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: that's what I was just going to get into. I

514
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: don't know if he's ready for getting ready. It is

515
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: a short week. Granted short week doesn't necessarily apply to

516
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: him since he's been resting and recovering. Oh but he

517
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: hadn't practiced it, That's what I'm saying. Well as far

518
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Speaker 1: as his rest or anything like that. Yeah, well maybe

519
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 1: next week for him. And I think that you were

520
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: thinking green Bay. Yeah maybe green Bay? Yea by and

521
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: you're ready for San Francisco. Yeah, he's a tough guy,

522
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: but no, Sean Lee and this and this one would

523
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: be a boy that would be tough, that that would

524
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: be tough. We're not saying this will happen for anyone, right,

525
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: but you're talking about the situation. We do talk about

526
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Speaker 1: situations on the show. We absolutely sure. Well, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: Mickey just Grave gave a great stat The offense is

528
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: off to a slow start, and a lot of people

529
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: are wondering why is that. Why have these games been

530
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult for them? We saw in

531
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Speaker 1: the first quarter this Monday night just seemed like they

532
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Speaker 1: couldn't get it going. Where's the slow start coming from?

533
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: Some of it I think you have to give credit

534
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: to the and what Denver was able to do and

535
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: what Arizona was able to do early is just keep

536
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Speaker 1: him off the field. And I asked Jason yesterday, can

537
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: you recall a time where you had that much disparity

538
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: in plays where you ran three offensive plays in the

539
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: first quarter and you're staring near halftime and you got six.

540
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: And the key, especially with a young offense you got

541
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, young running back, is not to press

542
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: and not get frustrated. And I think maybe Zeke got

543
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: a little frustrated in the Denver game, and they did

544
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: a better job of just kind of staying with it,

545
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: and eventually it took over in terms of wearing down

546
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: the defense and getting a rhythm in the running game.

547
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: But it took some time, no question about it. Well,

548
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: the problem is you had a three and out and

549
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: the defense couldn't get off the field. Yeah, so that

550
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: complicated a slow start. You know, you run the ball

551
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: for basically nothing, you throw an in completion, and then

552
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: you throw I mean, it was the exact same start

553
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: they had at Denver, wasn't it. Yes, Yeah, it was.

554
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: It was deja vu, and it was the third down

555
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: pass to Winton. That wasn't a first down, right, and

556
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: then you punt and it's like then you're gonna get

557
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: the ball back forever. And then the next time you

558
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: have the same thing three and out. You can't have

559
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: three and outs like that early and think, oh, Okay,

560
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: everything's gonna come around. Well, if your defense can't get

561
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: off the field, you're in trouble. They had six plays,

562
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: they had four yards. Yeah, I think a lot of

563
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: it has to do and maybe take a little bit

564
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: deeper than what Mickey is talking about is first downs.

565
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, this team has not done a good, very

566
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: good job. I mean how many times in that game

567
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: either night where it was second and nine, second and ten,

568
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, and they just really couldn't get anything going.

569
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't from a lack of trying it really.

570
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to do things scheme wise to

571
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: get some get it going a little bit, but they

572
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: just haven't been able to have those plays. The second half,

573
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: they finally started making some plays in the passing game,

574
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and then it always and it opened up some things

575
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: in the running game. All of a sudden, Arizona was

576
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: having to deal with, Okay, dealing with Williams. They dealt

577
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: with the Dez Bryant, They're having to deal with Butler

578
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: down the field. You know, they're having to deal with

579
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that. And then now, okay,

580
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: here things go with the running game. When they have

581
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: the balance, like the guys are talking about, it's it's

582
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty thing to watch because they

583
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: can control ten play drives, five minute drives. They do

584
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: that and that helps that defense. But the slow start,

585
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I think has a lot to do with how their

586
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: inability to really get anything going on first down? Would

587
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: you guys have believed me if I would have told you, hey,

588
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Ezekie Elliott won't get his first rushing touchdown until Week three,

589
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: If I had told you that going into that, you

590
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: know when last year against the Giants in Week one,

591
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: he scored his first one, first one as an NFL player,

592
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: And now you know we even the first rushing touchdown

593
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: came from Dak Prescott of course, followed up by Ezekie

594
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: Elliott later in the game. But I would I was surprised.

595
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I would. I would have said, was the eligible to

596
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: play service already got suspended? Yeah? What was going on there?

597
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: So it's just funny to you know, we're talking about

598
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: these long first and nine first and that wasn't there

599
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: last year, And simply a lot of it was because

600
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: you'd have a big run or a big boost on

601
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: that first or second play. Yeah, that you were like,

602
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: I've always kind of talked about this, and I love

603
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: to dive into numbers. Not that I'm an analytics guy,

604
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: but I love to dive into numbers when it comes

605
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: to talking about what you do on down and distance,

606
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: what you do on first down, does that set you

607
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: up for second down? You know, the Cowboys one of

608
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: the best in the league last year, but converting taking

609
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: second down opportunities and making them first down, so then

610
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: you don't get into a lot of third and bad situations.

611
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: You're moving, you're moving the ball and you and you're

612
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: finishing drives. There was a stat on ESPN, and it

613
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: grew as the game went on. I think by the

614
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: end of the game they were they were in a

615
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: position where it was the last third and ten or

616
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: longer the last twelve of those they were over twelve

617
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: and dating back to previous game or two, So just

618
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: way too many times Dack's in a situation where what

619
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Speaker 1: do you call, would you call it third down to

620
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: get him in a position to get a first down

621
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Speaker 1: and move the chains? And it just a lot of

622
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: that is, yeah, struggling on first and second. Now yeah,

623
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: well what we call is fans, and we have fans

624
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: calling in right now number two and four, eight seven,

625
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: two twenty one or two. We have Nolan from California

626
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: on the line. Nolan, what's your question? Hey, what's up, guys?

627
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. I know they've been dropping

628
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods down in the slot. Yeah, now what do

629
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: you guys think about bringing Byron Jones up to the

630
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: slot and letting Woods and Heath take the backfield? And

631
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: then I had another, you know question. I know Jason

632
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Witton didn't get many catches last game, and I know

633
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: the first two games he was on fire. Was he

634
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: just not open or do you think they were kind of,

635
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, trying to tone him down a little bit

636
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: just because he is in his fifteenth year and you know,

637
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: he can't be our number one guy the whole season.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for taking my call, and you guys do

639
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Speaker 1: a great job. Appreciate it. Thanks Nolan. I think I

640
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: would ask you to be the one to ever tell

641
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Jason Winton to tone down a little bit. So I

642
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: don't think even when he's in his twenty fifth year,

643
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: if that ever would be possible that he would tone down.

644
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I think he was just the play calling were just

645
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: talking about. They didn't run a lot of offensive place.

646
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, forty five plays basically is what it came

647
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: down to. And the distribution, you know, when they were

648
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: having to throw the football, there were times where Witten,

649
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, he was not as open as he normally is.

650
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, I mean he tried to escape a couple

651
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: of different ways and sometimes you know, you cover him

652
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: that way, you get a matchup that's pretty favorable for

653
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the other team. And you know, Witt was, like I say,

654
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: when you don't run a lot of players, Baldwin come

655
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: your direction. They hit on some, obviously, some big plays

656
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: down the field with Bryce Butler, with Williams, you know,

657
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: with Dez on the on the shallow cross, Cole Beasley

658
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: his one play was huge, and yeah, you're not gonna

659
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: have many games where Jason Witten is catching one for

660
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: four yards or three yards. So you know, we'll see

661
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: how it plays this time around. With the Rams, They've

662
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: got a couple of good safeties that can that can

663
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: do some things and coverage. But you know the thing

664
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: his question about Iron Jeff, but about Woods. Yeah, that's

665
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: that's the way when they were playing the dime when

666
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: they played I'm package though and Heath was out though,

667
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: they were playing with Woods and playing uh you know what,

668
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: excuse me when when he was in the game, they

669
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: had they had Woods and Heath playing as the safeties

670
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: and they put Byron Jones down in the slot. Mickey

671
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: talks about that quite a bit there there. The Cowboys

672
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: answer in dime packages to bring Byron Jones down was

673
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: that the last pass breakup in the end zone, was

674
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: he covering the tight end? He was covering tight end? Yeah,

675
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: they had they had they added across, so yeah, he

676
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: when they went to that, when they went to that

677
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: that they called Deacon which is like that three man line,

678
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: they they used Jones down and that Woods was playing

679
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: back Woods. They feel like Woods is a better cover

680
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: man than Cavon Frasier. That's why I think you're going

681
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: to see more of that. And then when when Heath

682
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: went down to get to their package, it was Frasier

683
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: and Woods with Byron Jones down, So they were rolling

684
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: those safeties through last week. But the main plan is

685
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: to keep Jones down and let him play in the slot,

686
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: whether it's on the tight end or as on a receiver.

687
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Think he's doing some research over here, No, I was

688
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: just looking. You know, the Cowboys last two years, last

689
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: couple of years were very good on third down. Yes,

690
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: they're twenty third this year. They're converting at thirty four

691
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: point whatever. Right, A lot of that has to do

692
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: with what was going on on first down. Yep, they're

693
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: getting into Wait, if you don't do something on first down,

694
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: third down becomes much more difficult. And that is just

695
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: so out of character that their third down conversion rate

696
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: is twenty third in the National Football League. They're doing,

697
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: they're getting. What's happening to them is what normally they

698
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: put pressure on other teams in terms of we're gonna

699
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: limit your plays offensively, we're gonna hold on the ball.

700
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: They're not getting. Dak had thirteen completions in the game

701
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: eighteen attempts. That. I mean, everybody's numbers were down, and

702
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I do think they're mentioned Witten. They're they're keying on

703
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley a little bit too, because he's he's a

704
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: guy that is kind of Dak's safety blanket at times.

705
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Has this come down to the offensive line play? We've

706
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the offensive line missing those big

707
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: blocks unfortunately, you know, not having enough open lanes for

708
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: Zeke or getting some of that open space for Dak,

709
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: And Mickey was saying that, yeah, well, and we talked

710
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: about the offensive line going into this year. Obviously, now

711
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: Chaz Green and Lyle Collins are there, they're in place,

712
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: but is there still some little bit of cadence issues

713
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: or what is it? I just want to know from

714
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: you guys, is there something to put the blame on

715
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line or have they been good as usual? No,

716
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: they have not been as good as you know that

717
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: that part and go ahead, mick him. I mean that's

718
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: just flat out. You see signs I think from Lale

719
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: Collins at right tackle. You see signs from Jazz Green,

720
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: but it hasn't been consistent enough. And I think that

721
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You have three Pro Bowl guys there, you know,

722
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: it'd be like the Cowboy cheerleaders going out there do

723
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: their kick line, you know, and if two or three

724
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: of them are off, they're gonna pull everybody else down, right, Oh,

725
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't care if you have thirty out there. Look

726
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: an analogy about that. I like it. What happens when

727
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: you judge those? Yeah, how about six hours of work?

728
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: You and I did that one Saturday for thirty seconds

729
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: of work, thirty seconds of fame. Mickey's right though, and

730
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: it goes to Rob's point. We were talking about the

731
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: ten play drives something I always like to look at,

732
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, that's ball control stuff. I didn't have one

733
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: in this last game. They're they're twenty fifth in the league,

734
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and they've only had three of ten play drives this

735
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: season so far place of ten yards. How many times

736
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: we thought about that, their ability to run the football,

737
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: make pig plays, you know, and that kind of stuff,

738
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: plays of ten yards or more. They're twenty fifth in

739
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: the league, they've only had thirty one of those, so,

740
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've had some things that they were

741
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: really really good at. Rushing plays. How about this rushing

742
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: plays of ten plus yards? That was something was kind

743
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: of a staple of their offense. Lash or twenty first

744
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: in the league right now, So you know, you're you're

745
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: getting some situation where they're they're they're they're doing some

746
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: things and it could be you know, you look at

747
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but I think we've been pretty fair

748
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: about at the line, the tight ends. You know, there's

749
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: there's been some guys that where I think some things

750
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: have happened is last year, we just grew so accustomed

751
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: to watching Zeke makes somebody miss right off the jump,

752
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: if it's one of okay, they have one more guy

753
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: than you have to block, and we've seen Ezekiel Elliott

754
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: win that win against that one guy and then it's

755
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: a six yard game. You know, we've seen that. That

756
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: was last year. I don't think we've seen it as

757
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: much this year. You know, when if there was a

758
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: breakdown last year, we've saw where all said, oh, Zeke

759
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: can make that guy miss and then okay, it's still

760
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: a four yard game. That's where I think some of

761
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: the some of the issues we haven't seen him have

762
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: that ability to make. You know, he made Tyrn Matthew

763
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: miss the other day, and what happened. It was a

764
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: thirty yard game because every yeah it could have been

765
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: more because but everything was blocked. Everything was blocked, everything,

766
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: every guy they had accounted for. They got their guy,

767
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: They got hats on hats. But then all of a sudden,

768
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: what do you do? He made a guy missing the

769
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: whole and now it's a it's a huge play. So

770
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: once we start seeing Zeke make guys miss that aren't

771
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: accounted for, or there's some type of leakage or a

772
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: miss block, you know you're you're probably gonna probably gonna

773
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: be a little bit problematic moving the football. There's no question.

774
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: We keep saying it. The runner matters. I mean, what

775
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: he did last year, it's essentially the same offensive line

776
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: as twenty fifteen, but the number of explosive plays running

777
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: the ball and the number of touchdowns they had running

778
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: the ball were enormously greater than twenty fifteen. So yeah,

779
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he gets as much credit as anybody for

780
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: a running game because he does make guys miss more

781
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: than others. They had one drive against Arizona for seven plays.

782
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: That was the longest, Yeah, seven plays, and they didn't

783
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: even score on that, And so they're not sustaining drives

784
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: because they're not converting on third down. Absolutely. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: Do you want to hear about Papa John's pizza. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's turn it over to Rob. You've got the liner,

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Speaker 1: Those veggies they nestle right up in the months, right

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Speaker 1: right there, pork and beef. You have gradients like that.

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Speaker 1: It's Papa John's pizza. It's so good, good stuff right

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Speaker 1: up in that Manzarella, all right, you've been practicing that

826
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Speaker 1: one now. Mickey asked a question earlier. We were talking

827
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: about DeMarcus Owns getting NFC Defensive Player of the Week. Right, Okay,

828
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: so the left side is figured out. What about the

829
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: right side? Do you keep Tyrone Crawford there? How do

830
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: you manage that? How do you get more production from

831
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: that side? I mean, Brian just told you this Ram's

832
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: offensive line is a better unit than that scene. So

833
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to have full production on both sides. Yeah,

834
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: you got a spot. You got anybody want to play

835
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: with the right side of you? Okay? With laur Marcus

836
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: ware Ware, Well yeah, we'll just call Dware out of

837
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: retirement really quickly. I will say what you got. Having

838
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Crawford in the game helps your run defense. I like

839
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: that on the right side, you think typically a guy

840
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: who's going forward, Daddy, you're back war daddy. He did

841
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: get a sack, yeah he did. And as a pressure

842
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I will say setting the edge the rushing defense. You know,

843
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: the Arizona struggle, but two point three yards of carry,

844
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: they did a nice job that way. Do you need

845
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: another pass rusher, consistent guy out there? Yeah? I thought

846
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Crawford did some good things though, and the Deacon package,

847
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: that three man line. You're a big fan. It's it's

848
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: working for them, and you did a nice job of

849
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: explaining it yesterday. It's create some coverage problems. It does

850
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: for the other teams all. The other thing it creates

851
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: problems is you got the two linebackers that are in

852
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: the gaps waiting and they're sitting there going okay, is

853
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: this guy coming or is it exactly exactly? So it

854
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: gives the quarterback a little extra pause something think about,

855
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: little more time because it may be a three man line,

856
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: but it could be a five man rush. Right. Yeah.

857
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: Before we get to Rob's amazing pool, we gotta get

858
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: to our dear friend, friend of the show, Philip from Fronts. Hi, guys,

859
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Okay? Well? Okay? From from from

860
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: Bog France. I watched this morning on riplay yesterday's show

861
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: after my night on duty. I don't know as much

862
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: as you all know about football, but please don't shoot

863
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: hot bullets on j Jillian Smith. Okay, he's not back

864
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: on top of a thing on a physical standpoint, but

865
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean the guys, only three games into his pro career,

866
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: after a near career ending injury. And anyone who played

867
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Mike linebacker at any level of cup and competition, or

868
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: in any kind of scheme knows how hard it is

869
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to have five plus solo tackles week after week, facing

870
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: the pounding of all line men coming match. You to

871
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: take your head off. Monday night, he got seven and

872
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: twenty four on three game on a three game stretch.

873
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: Do the math. He's on path for a hundred hundred

874
00:43:53,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: twenty plus tackles season. About next Sunday game of us

875
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: here a sophomore slump. Watch Rams quarterback Jared Goof on

876
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: next Sunday. My question is after three games, what is

877
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: your evaluation of a right tackle and on live guard?

878
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I feel like the online didn't jail yet. Thanks for

879
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: taking Michael, and we wish you a great day Cowboys

880
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: and good Tigers. Thank you, Fiers Tigers. Tigers, Tigers guy, Mike,

881
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Tigers need a lot more going than the other Tiger. Yeah,

882
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: Jared Goof is going to be a drop from now on.

883
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: I love that. Don't don't start trouble. The Rams will

884
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: think we're making no, no, not at all. It's here

885
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: to bust all rumors. I love the accent myself I

886
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: love it. Make sure I'm gonna go to lamon one day.

887
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: He uses his voice for it, you know what I

888
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: I the jelling part though of the line. We kind

889
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: of touched on that. Yeah, we got a little more

890
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: into that. Let's get more into what are you saying

891
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith. Yeah, well on the coach's tape, he's

892
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: got thirty tackles in three games. Who yeah, see that's

893
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah to me, that's that And it's incredible

894
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: the number John Matchoda did a thing of the number

895
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: of plays that guys have played so far through the

896
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: first three games. I believe he's in the top five

897
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: with defensive snaps. You know. That's incredible within itself. Yeah,

898
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: but you know we talk about this though too. No, no,

899
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. This it's gonna say more if we're just saying,

900
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: if we're just it's you, we're just putting it out

901
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: there that hey, you know, keep an eye on this.

902
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: But no, Sean Lee, then it's gonna have to be

903
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith, you know, and and Todd Gurley is

904
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a difficult matchup, you know, because they

905
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: throw girly the ball in the flat. They bring. You know,

906
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: we've seen what they can do. McVeagh with his play

907
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: calling him he can move the football. So uh, it's

908
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna be on Jalen Smith and it's gonna be on him,

909
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, having to cover. And that's a concern of

910
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Mickey and minds. I you know, that's something you got

911
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Girly running in the flat all the

912
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: time or circle routes or Texas routes, got to be

913
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: able to cover him. He played fifty four plays out

914
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: of seventy five this last game, and Durant was actually

915
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: in there for thirty two plays, so played more. All right,

916
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: poll Time take full Time. Talked about the rookies earlier,

917
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: a couple of rookies in particular dbs. Which rookie guys

918
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: has impressed you the most in the first three games

919
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: for Dallas? Four options. I know there's more he could

920
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: write in Noah Brown, Taco Charlton, Jordan Lewis, Ryan Switzer

921
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: or Xavier Woods. Oh, I'm gonna say that the fans

922
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: said Jordan Lewis, They sure did seventy six percent and

923
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: he's played what one fewer game than the other guys,

924
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was out there. But he's had production.

925
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, is he the only current interception right now?

926
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Where No, I guess Anthony Brown. Brown Brown had one

927
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: tackled really well in the game. Was physical. You can

928
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: put Xavier Woods right up there though, in terms of

929
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: what he's being asked to do for a guy that

930
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: missed a lot of camp playing the slot. Yeah, you

931
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: haven't heard his name called a lot, have you, So

932
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: that means he's not screwing up. No, I don't know

933
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: if he's made any nice highlight plays right, Um, I'll

934
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll give you high tell you, I'll give

935
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: you a highlight play made. How about how about with

936
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: the with the Arizona driving to try and score a

937
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: touchdown at the end of the game, and they both

938
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: they throw the ball to the Lara Fitzgerald in the flat. Oh,

939
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: and he was so mad at himself because he could

940
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: have picked that off a little bit, get a little

941
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: bit better angle. Yeah, that was bunch formation. He came

942
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: flying through there and kept Fitzgerald in bounce, which kept

943
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: the clop going. So that was a nice play in

944
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: that though, from what you've seen so far. Who gives

945
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: you kind of the most excitement Switzer? Yeah, I was God,

946
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've voted for I'd voted for Switzer because

947
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this team to get a punt

948
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: returner and a little juice back there and a guy,

949
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, guy's fearless. Way. Yeah, that one punt he

950
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: caught running up full speed. Let me see what he

951
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: with eleven guys running straight at you, you know, with

952
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: an offense, with an offense struggling a little bit, and

953
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: he's given you, you know, he could give you feel open.

954
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna start not punting it at him.

955
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: Well he was. He should be credited with the first touchdown,

956
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: right he set him up at the thirty three? I think, yes, yes, see,

957
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. He asked Garrett this question yesterday

958
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: and I wrote about it because I wasn't sure. But

959
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: they his best punt return was with ten men on

960
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: the field, you know, he they set up the wall

961
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: and Jeff Heath went off the field and thinking he

962
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: was the twelfth man for some reason, not at A

963
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: and M. Yeah, and they had ten guys. So that

964
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: just shows you with with or yeah, yeah, they stole it,

965
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: but but the twelve that the excitement you get from

966
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: him with the ball in hand, I think is pretty impressive.

967
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: I might have to give him number twelve instead of ten.

968
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: The twelfth Man. Yeah. Hey, I like what he said

969
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: though about juice, because I think Ryan Switzer's kind of

970
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: that guy. He's almost confidence guy. You know, you notice

971
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: that if he feels like he has it, like in

972
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: warm ups, if you watched him in pregame warmups, he's hyped.

973
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: He's one of the most guys out there next to

974
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant. He's just excited to go in there. And

975
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: then I feel like, Okay, he's probably watching this tape

976
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: this week saying, Okay, I could do this more, I

977
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: can do this more. Yeah, and the Rams are wasting

978
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: time on this week having to prepare for him, no doubt,

979
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: because they don't know if he lines up in the slot.

980
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: Oh is he a receiver? Is he going to come back?

981
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: And they're not empty anymore. He's a running back in

982
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: their throat to him. Cowboys are doing the same thing

983
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: with Tavon Austin, right right, Yeah, you mentioned confidence stay

984
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: it is. It's not a cockiness. Coaches love it about him.

985
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: But he prepares. He's you know, he's trying to learn

986
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's not afraid to get in there. And

987
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen him as a route runner yet,

988
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: but he's a polished route runner too. Oh hell. I

989
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: mean when he got drafted, Beasley was talking about how

990
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: excited he was to finally see slot receivers like his position.

991
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: Getting draft did that high. I mean, fourth round is

992
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: right for a guy like that. But what happened is

993
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: he didn't. He was almost in the same boat as

994
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. Didn't get any training camp. Remember the OTAs

995
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: in the mini camp, so we were yeah, he got

996
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: all that over when we were all real tired and

997
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: ready to go home at three o'clock, we we talked

998
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: about him a little bit. But now and then the

999
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: training camp, you were ready for him to do some things.

1000
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: I still think that when you talk about the where

1001
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: what they can do with him, I think they're gonna

1002
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: come up with even more creative stuff. I think that

1003
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that Scotland hand take advantage of him.

1004
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: Just not on jet sweeps or things like that, but

1005
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna see screens. We're gonna see tossing the ball

1006
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: to him, handing the ball to him, whatever they have

1007
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: to do. To get the football in his hands. Heck,

1008
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: who knows he maybe touched a sweep throw it. You know,

1009
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things you kind of set up.

1010
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: He's a different kind of runner than Beasley running back. Like, yeah,

1011
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: Beasley's quick, get down fast, and then he knows when

1012
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: it's over. This guy can like fake people out. He's

1013
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: got like moves when he rets with the ball out joking,

1014
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: you guys know what. He calls him the mirror because

1015
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: he watches everyone and he is so good reading the place.

1016
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. If you guys talked to Taco anytime

1017
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: soon to ask him about why they call Yeah, it

1018
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: was all a Michigan and you know, kind of interesting.

1019
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: Of course, Mark quiz White was the quilt. I thought

1020
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: that was an interesting thing. But the mirror, the mirror

1021
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: is showing up because he's there. And I like what

1022
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: you said about how physical he was. I thought that

1023
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: was one of his best traits because he's a smaller

1024
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: guy for a small Yeah, and that's what a lot

1025
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: of people were worried they were gonna miss with JJ

1026
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Wilcox out. You know, somebody who was so physical, so

1027
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: able to just kind of beat the ball. I mean,

1028
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: we saw Brandon Carr get more physical like that last season,

1029
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: so I like and I think that will develop with

1030
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: Jordanist too. I mean, he's gonna get in this way.

1031
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: Don Sanders talks to him and says, man, you're knocking

1032
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: balls of business. Gotta gotta you're knocking balls down, man,

1033
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: that's all they pay you for it. Don't worry about

1034
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: that tackling stuff. Yeah, he won't let him do that.

1035
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: A little um vinegar in his veins, yeah, little anger

1036
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: not another term, but we'll keep it clean. All corners

1037
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: need that, right, That's right in a short memory. That

1038
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: So Cole Beasley, how does he get back on track

1039
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: to kind of being das guy, daks guy that's gonna

1040
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: get sixty seventy receptions in a season. How does Cole

1041
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: Beasley get back on track? Is he off track? I

1042
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: feel like we haven't seen the Cole Beasley we saw

1043
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: last season, and maybe it's just different place, games, different

1044
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: play calls, offensive line. You said, you know they're looking

1045
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: after him way more than I ever have before. Is

1046
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: he getting bracketed more as he get seen? Yeah, there

1047
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: were a couple of times where he was they did

1048
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: cover him with two especially on third down. I think

1049
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: teams realized that what he could be a special player

1050
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: on third down. So yeah, he's going to always get

1051
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more attension. You know. Heck, slot player,

1052
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: slot player, a cover guy playing outside and you've got

1053
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: a safety playing inside and they're trying to you know,

1054
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: keep him from running those routes and then even you know,

1055
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: doing the pivot routes we talk about where he goes

1056
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: inside and comes back outside. So yeah, they this offense again,

1057
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: there's so many little pieces to it. We talk about

1058
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: them running the football and how successful they can be

1059
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: at that and how let's the offense go. But getting

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00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley involved, he's just that such a sure player

1061
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: on third down, you know, and if if teams are

1062
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: taking that away from you, you know, some of the

1063
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: other guys are going to have to make plays. Like

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00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: we said, Williams is going to have to make plays,

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00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Butler made a play. I mean they're gonna have to

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00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: do that if if teams are going to be committed

1067
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: to stop in the run but then also trying to

1068
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: take Cole Beasley went on third down, so he knows it.

1069
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that comes with it. As they say

1070
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: that comes with the comes with the dinner. You know,

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00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: he's he's not gonna probably have a lot of free

1072
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: access in these routes, but he likes that. I think

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00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: he likes the challenge of it. Yeah, but he would

1074
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: rather the linebacker not be lurking around that yeah corner, Yeah, yeah,

1075
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: safe when you get into third and long, they can

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00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: do that. I know you're not going to run the

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Speaker 1: ball right, So that's that's hurt him also from what

1078
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: he can do if it's third and three. You know,

1079
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: the linebacker can't worry about Beasley. You know, he's got

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00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: to worry about handing the ball. Zeke well, some of

1081
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: the other the other guys stepping up helps William stepping up, Butler,

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00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, Witt and we talked about all that. They

1083
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Speaker 1: got more guys that could step up, start making plays

1084
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Speaker 1: down the fields, start making me started out, Hey, before

1085
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Speaker 1: we start wrapping up this show, I want to talk

1086
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Speaker 1: to you guys. Earlier in the pregame show on Monday Night,

1087
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion from fans of why Charles Tapper

1088
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: was the guy. Of course, you had to figure out

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00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: what you were going to do. You had to have

1090
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: the enough corners, different guys like that out Orlando scannerk

1091
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: moving up. Who was going to be the guy who's

1092
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: going to be inactive? And it was Charles Tapper? Do

1093
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: you think now, I mean you just did your pull

1094
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: and we talked about Taco Charlton not being there yet.

1095
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Are they going to rotate Taco and Charles Tapper to

1096
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: be this inactive guy? Could you see that happening at all?

1097
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: I think it could definitely be a week to week thing.

1098
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Who's practicing best, you know, and actually with Irving coming back,

1099
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to compete in practice to earn

1100
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: that spot on game day. I absolutely think, Uh, nobody's

1101
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: guaranteed a spot. As you move farther and farther down

1102
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: that that that rotation. Do you worry about rotating? I

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00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: mean off and on the you know for a guy,

1104
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: do you worry about that? Or is that something you're

1105
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: just gonna go ahead and accept because I'm kind of

1106
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: split on that. I don't know how they'll treat it,

1107
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you the history of the NFL. One's

1108
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: a first round pick and one's a fourth round pick.

1109
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: Right follow the money, Yeah, they're gonna give him every

1110
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: sounds very sounds very very shady. Follow the money, considering

1111
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: we're watching coaches and athletic directors get fired right now.

1112
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: All they followed the money, all the money. But yeah,

1113
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: so I gonna if they air, they're gonna air on

1114
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: keeping that first round guy on the field to try

1115
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: to get him some more experience. I think, Yeah, don't

1116
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: you feel like with marion Elli, like if if you're

1117
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: playing better, he's gonna play you. Yeah. Well, I think

1118
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Speaker 1: even now if you kick David Irvan, and I think

1119
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: David Irban they maybe think about him as a defensive

1120
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Speaker 1: tackle here more than they will defensive end. But still still,

1121
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: you gotta you Still it's gonna be a spot. Well,

1122
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: they gotta find a spot on the fifty three. And

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about next, so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about tomorrow on the show. You know, we told you

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Speaker 1: normal time tomorrow or today. Confused, it's a weird week,

1126
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Speaker 1: but we will be back. Oh there's no normal, there's

1127
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Speaker 1: no normal, Mickey you always that's right, Yeah, at the

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Speaker 1: time tomorrow, muscles in your stomach, join us then what

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