1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: It all began with a four letter word wall. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: better than me. 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 3: Believe me. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: my works. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: As Donald Trump's campaign for president heated up four years ago, 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: it was the word that launched a thousand rallies. 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Because I've been hearing a lot of things. Oh, the 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: wall didn't make that much of a difference. You know 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: where it made a big difference, right here in El Paso. 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: We're going to build the wall. We have no choice. 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: We have no choice. Build that wall, Build that wall, 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Build that wall, Build that wall. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Build Now, most immigration experts would tell you it was 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: a fantasy. It was too expensive, not to mention that 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't solve the problem of people crossing the border 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: without papers, let alone do anything to address the growing 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: number of asylum seekers legally asking for refuge at ports 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: of entry. But there was a simplicity to it, a catchiness. 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Build the wall. It reduced a complicated issue to a 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: small idea, and it very well may have catapulted a 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: reality television star into the nation's highest office. The phrase, 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: of course, wasn't just build the wall, it was also 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: make Mexico pay for it. Now, in Mexico this was 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: widely ridiculed. It was the material of jokes and can 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: you believe this guy dinner conversations jelescation. 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: Moro. 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: Shortly after Trump's inauguration in twenty seventeen, then President Enrique 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Bernaneto went on TV to make Mexico's position clear. 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 5: Mexico, no crellos move Rovico, una yo Travis, Mexico No. 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Mexico doesn't believe in walls. He said, I've said it 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: again and again. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall. 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Now It's near the end of the first term of 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the Trump presidency and something perhaps unexpected has happened. Mexico 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: has a new president, a leftist and a populist. He, 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: like his predecessor, scoffed at the idea of paying for 39 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: the wall. Yet to the surprise of many, he's become 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: a willing partner in Trump's mission of slowing immigration to 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: a trickle. Trump hasn't built his promised wall, at least 42 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: not more than a few small sections of it, But 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: it turns out he doesn't need it, and that's because 44 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: the wall has become Mexico itself. From futuro media, it's 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Latino USA. I'm Maria Inojosa. The real wall, the one 46 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: that President Trump has successfully built, is not a wall 47 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: of steel or even cement. You could actually say it's 48 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: a paper wall. It's a wall of policies, policies that 49 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: push migrants out of the US and further and further 50 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: south into Mexico. These are policies made by the United 51 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: States government as well as Mexican policies made under pressure 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and with financial support from the United States. In January 53 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: of this year, I visited Mexico both its northern and 54 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: southern borders to learn more about this policy wall and 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: how it's affecting the lives of migrants today. 56 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: I see razor wire now to my right, a gate 57 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 4: over the pathway. 58 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: I started by crossing the border into to the Quais. 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: It's a huge, busy city of nearly one and a 60 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: half million people, right across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas, 61 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: which is its sister city. And as a little girl, 62 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: I remember making this crossing a couple of times on 63 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: family vacations to Mexico, but now it seems so different. 64 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 4: So I've got fence above my head, fencing to my right, 65 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: fencing to my left. It's like I'm in a cage. 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 4: It's a little strange, and I'm just getting to the big, huge, rusted, 67 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: massive barricade. 68 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: That is the fence, the wall. It's long, rusty, brown, 69 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: And this was not here. In all of the years. 70 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 4: That I crossed as a little kid, you never saw this. 71 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: The border crossing between these two cities is a place 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: where the Trump administration has piloted many of its new 73 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: immigration programs. So what is a place where you get 74 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: a chance to see the results. We're going to look 75 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: at policies facing one group of migrants. Specifically, they're considered 76 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable. They're asylum seekers, and they're supposed to 77 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: have the most protections and care. Over the last couple 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: of years, makeshift tent camps of asylum seekers have popped 79 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: up in cities and towns all along the border. There 80 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: are families that are sleeping under bridges right out in 81 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: the open. Here into that what is a large encampment 82 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: at a park where thousands of people were living has 83 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: recently been disbanded. Now those asylum seekers are scattered throughout 84 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the city, staying in a series of shelters run by 85 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: churches and private organizations, and one of those shelters will 86 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: be our first stop. So now we're in a very 87 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: poor area of what is The street that we're on 88 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: is not paved, it's all dirt. The shelter we visit 89 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: is located in a squat building with a plain white 90 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: wall and a sign outside that says it's a community center. 91 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: There are some kids outside, plain soccer and they told 92 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: me that migrants live here this. We walk towards the 93 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: back of this place and I just begin to follow 94 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the smell. There's a mixture of sweet and salty coming 95 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: from the kitchen on a very small stove. One woman 96 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: is stirring hot cereal with milk for her kids. On 97 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: another burner, a young man with a funky haircut and 98 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: a pink and blue jacket is making sopita de boyo 99 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: chicken soup. There's an older woman who's getting her hair 100 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: dyed in the kitchen, and others are sitting in the 101 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: back patio smoking cigarettes. 102 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: Yes, I thought, maman. 103 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 6: And do. 104 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: That's Catherine. She's one of the only Hondurans living in 105 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: this shelter full of Cuban asylum seekers. She says they 106 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: become like a big family. They cook together and the 107 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: other women help her with her two daughters, the ones 108 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: who will be getting that hot cereal. Catherine says she 109 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: feels safe here in this shelter, but not at all 110 00:07:53,280 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: in the city is the amicana I, Catherine says, when 111 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: they first arrived in what Is, she happened to see 112 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: a lady crossing the street with her daughter. Then a 113 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: van stopped, people snatched her child and took off. The 114 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: woman was left in the middle of the street screaming. 115 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: Catherine says she stopped sending her older daughter to school. 116 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: She doesn't want her kids out of her sight. She says, 117 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: they almost never go outside except to go to court. 118 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: That is, In the years she's been at this shelter, 119 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: Catherine has had six, yes, six hearings with US immigration 120 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: officials and still no decision on her claim for asylum. 121 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: What's keeping her and her family here in Mexico is 122 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the first brick in Trump's policy sea wall that we're 123 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: going to talk about. It's something called Migrant Protection Protocols 124 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: or MPP. You might have heard about it, and it's 125 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: also referred to as the Remain in Mexico policy, because 126 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it forces people to do. 127 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 7: Individuals arriving in or entering the United States from Mexico 128 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 7: illegally or without proper documentation maybe returned to Mexico for 129 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 7: the duration of their immigration proceedings. They will not be 130 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 7: able to disappear into the United States. 131 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: That's former DHS Secretary Kirsten Nielsen announcing the policy back 132 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: in December of twenty eighteen. Since Remaining in Mexico went 133 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: into effect, nearly sixty thousand asylum seekers arriving at the 134 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: US border, people like Catherine, have been ordered to wait 135 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: in Mexico while a decision is made in the US 136 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: on their asylum petitions. This is a radical departure from 137 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: how things used to work. Asylum is a process that 138 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: can take years, and that's why in the past, asylum 139 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: seekers were always allowed to wait safely in the US 140 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: for their hearings. Now asylum seekers like Catherine are stuck 141 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: on the other side of the border. She shows me 142 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: her appointment letter from Customs and Border Protection. 143 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 6: Don de Lutin is, where are you keeping this? 144 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: This piece of paper is the only proof that Catherine 145 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: has of her pending case to make sure she never 146 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: loses it or that no one takes it. She says 147 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: she sleeps with it underneath her, so you sleep with it. 148 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: Part of the reason that Catherine and sixty thousand asylum seekers, 149 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: mostly Central Americans, have been ordered to wait in Mexico 150 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: is a surprisingly core relationship between President Trump and Mexico's 151 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, better known as AMLO. 152 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 4: In a leo. 153 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 7: A plicartos nomi. 154 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: Lablo. 155 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, AMLO became Mexico's first leftist president in decades, 156 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: and at first, migrant advocates had high expectations. 157 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: Mexico's leftist presidential candidate, Andre es Manuel Lopez Operador is 158 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 3: in New York to show solidarity with his fellow countrymen 159 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: living in the city. He claims the Trump administration's immigration 160 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: crackdown is a violation of human rights. 161 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: It seemed like AMLO was really going to change things 162 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: right away. He created this fund to address root causes 163 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: of migration from Central America. He pledged thirty billion dollars 164 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: over the next five years. But then some began to 165 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: question how many of the progressive policies he talked about 166 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: could really be achieved. Then, in the summer of last year, 167 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: AMLOH was put to the test. 168 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 8: So President Trump is increasing pressure on Mexico, demanding the 169 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 8: country does something to stop undocumented immigrants from crossing the border. Overnight, 170 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 8: President Trump tweeted the United States will impose tariffs on 171 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 8: Mexico until the flow of migrants stops. 172 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: At first, Amlo refused, but his pressure intensified, and with 173 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: Mexico's economy under threat, he had a surprising change of heart. 174 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 8: After ten days of threats from President Trump to levy 175 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 8: tariffs on Mexican products, mister Trump announced Friday night that 176 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 8: he had struck a deal. 177 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: The deal was to work with Trump on immigration enforcement. 178 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: Amlo agreed to a plan to greatly expand MPP, the 179 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: remain in Mexico policy, and to begin using Mexico's newly 180 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: minted National Guard to patrol the border and detain MYCA migrants. 181 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: It had been sold to the public as a force 182 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: that would deal with crime and corruption issues. By September 183 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Mexico announced it had reduced migrant movement 184 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: north towards the US border by fifty percent, and this 185 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: collaboration between the US and Mexico has led to a 186 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: situation that has put asylum seekers lives on the line. 187 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: That's coming up. Stay with us, no de ba. Yes, 188 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: we're back at the port of entry by the border. 189 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for attorney Linda Rivas Hi Hi, Linda Maria 190 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: to me too. 191 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 9: I'm the executive director at Las America's Immigrant Advocacy Center, 192 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 9: and we're a thirty two year old legal nonprofit in 193 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 9: all Pass to Texas and as of the remain in 194 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 9: Mexico programs starting, a lot of our work is now 195 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 9: on this side of the border, into the guadas. 196 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Linda takes me to see another piece of Trump's policy 197 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: wall in action. Where are we described where we are. 198 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 9: You crossed the bridge and you just turn the corner 199 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 9: and it's kind of hidden in here. And it's called 200 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 9: the Gaeme. 201 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: Gayeme, which is the Center for Comprehensive Migrants Services, is 202 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: a state run agency that acts as a processing center 203 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: of sorts for migrants in what is now Its goal 204 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: is to provide a one stop shop where migrants can 205 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: apply for social services, where they can get legal assistance, 206 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and also. 207 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 9: This is also where people are being metered. 208 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Metering is another way the US and Mexican governments are 209 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: collaborating on border policy, even if it's a little unofficial. 210 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: So what metering means simply is that US officials have 211 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: been arbitrarily limiting the number of people who are allowed 212 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: to present themselves at the border each day to ask 213 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: for asylum. 214 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 9: They're not letting them physically step foot into the United 215 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 9: States to legally seek asylum. They're saying we're full, go away. 216 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 9: And when they say we're full, go away. There suddenly 217 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 9: a system emerged that was like, Okay, we're taking thirty 218 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 9: people today, we're taking ten people today, We're taking no 219 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 9: one today. 220 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Once the US started taking fewer people, it caused a 221 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: huge backlog of migrants waiting in Mexico to ask for asylum, 222 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: and that's when the list began. It started as a 223 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of makeshift list in a migrants notebook well over 224 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: a year ago, with new people arriving every day. It 225 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: kept track of who was here first and whose turn 226 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it would be to go to the border and speak 227 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: to a US officer to present their claim. It was 228 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: the way migrants could take some control of the situation 229 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: and keep some order while they waited. Eventually, in what 230 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: is this government office took charge of the. 231 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 5: List, CBP receive as persona's o nos camlos and illumero 232 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 5: Yes bentiocho CBP. 233 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: We'll see ten P today, number nineteen thousand, four hundred 234 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: and twenty eight. A Mexican official calls this out to 235 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: a large room. 236 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 5: Quatro quatrocento trenta. 237 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: The person holding the number approaches the official to say 238 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: that they're. 239 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 5: Here quatrosanos, you know, quatrocento quadrocre quadro. 240 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: An official later tells me that at its highest point, 241 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: there are over six thousand people on the list at 242 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: once waiting for their number to be called. Right now, 243 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: there are just two hundred names of people waiting on 244 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: the list. It's another sign that the policy wall is 245 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: doing the job it was meant to do. And even 246 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: though we saw it happening ourselves, Mexican officials won't admit 247 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: on the record that they're managing the list. They know 248 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: that working with the US on this would be controversial. 249 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 9: And so this has been a pretty unofficial cooperation between 250 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 9: the two governments to what the United States is trying 251 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 9: to control the flow with. I believe no justification. 252 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: Riva says, metering and the Remain in Mexico policy work 253 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: hand in hand. Metering keeps asylum seekers in Mexico waiting 254 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: for their number to be called, and once it finally is, 255 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: the remain in Mexico policy then draws out that weight. 256 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: The problem is the US has exported a key responsibility 257 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: for dealing with highly vulnerable refugees their immediate safety and protection. 258 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: Mexico is left to figure it out and they have 259 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: no requirement to whof anything is being done. What Mexico 260 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: has done is this, migrants on MPP are now given 261 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: a document which protects them from being deported from Mexico 262 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: while their case is pending. If they want to work 263 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: legally in Mexico while they're waiting or access healthcare, they 264 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: have to request something called a group, which is basically 265 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: like a temporary Social Security number, but it only lasts 266 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: six months. And whether they can get this document in 267 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: every border city or if it can be renewed, depends 268 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: on who you ask. 269 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 6: I think that reflects the fact that on paper things 270 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 6: are one way, and then in practice. 271 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: It's another's that's Maureen Mayor. She's an advocate at the 272 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Washington Office on Latin America, She says Mexico is getting 273 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: by providing the bare minimum for those waiting under MPP. 274 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 6: The Mexican government really promised originally to look at opportunities 275 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 6: for employment and other services. We really haven't seen that 276 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 6: panout at the border or elsewhere. 277 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: In Quiteitas, Mexico's government has what they think is attempting 278 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: offer for those who have been forced to remain in 279 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: the north of Mexico and fear the high levels of crime. Here, 280 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: they're offering a free bus ride to the south of 281 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Mexico while they weigh out their process. 282 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 6: So one way ticket, you have to figure out on 283 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 6: your own how to get the funds to bust yourself 284 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 6: back up to the border. And obviously that poses the 285 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 6: question to what happens if your hearing date changes. So 286 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: it's I think it's for the most part, a program 287 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 6: that the Mexican wman adopted to try to get people 288 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 6: out of the northern border. But if they're really concerned 289 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 6: about supporting this population, you wouldn't send them all the 290 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: way back to southern Mexico. 291 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: This is an instance where Mexico isn't just a passive 292 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: bystander to a US policy that pushes asylum seekers away 293 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: from the US border. This is one that Mexico has created. 294 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: Meyer thinks the point of the bussing program ultimately is 295 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: to convince people to just give up on their asylum claims. 296 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 6: Maybe if we can make it so uncomfortable and unbearable 297 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 6: to stay there, people just go home. 298 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: But for those who still decide to stay, the end 299 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: result of this policy wall we've been talking about is 300 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: that asylum seekers are stuck on the border for long 301 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: periods of time, living in shelters, in an ambiguous legal status, 302 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: and that adds up to a situation that puts them 303 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: at risk. Which leads me to the story of M 304 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: and her seven year old daughter A. We're referring to 305 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: them by their first initials for their protection. Linda introduces 306 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: me to them at the migrant center, and later I'm 307 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: invited to visit M at the house where she's staying 308 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: to hear their story in a little bit more privacy. 309 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: They're living with an employee from the shelter, and in 310 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: return for a bedroom that she shares with her daughter, 311 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: she has to clean the house and keep things tidy. 312 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Em says she traveled with her daughter as well as 313 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: her husband and young son from Monduras. Somewhere along the way, 314 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: they were split up and m continued north with her 315 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: daughter alone. Then she tells me they were kidnapped just 316 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: hours after they arrived. 317 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 6: In what Is Yea. 318 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: In mediunayamae Em says she was sitting at a bus 319 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: stop with her daughter on the outskirts of the city, 320 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: trying to get downtown. It was dusk and by now 321 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: it was cold. They didn't have coats, which is the 322 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: easiest way to spot new arrivals to what Is during 323 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: the winter months. Em says that a man sat down 324 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: on the bench next to her and asked where she 325 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: was heading. Then he got up and made a phone call, 326 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: and a few minutes later, a truck pulls up, a 327 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: man gets out. He flashes a gun and tells her 328 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: to get in with her daughter. Em says that they 329 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: were taken to a warehouse where ten other migrants were 330 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: being held. She says the kidnappers contacted their families for 331 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: ransom money. Em says when the kidnappers would take people 332 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: out of the warehouse, they never came back. One day 333 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: they came for her, crammed her and her daughter, a 334 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: and a few others into the backseat of a car. 335 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: She says, when they got caught in traffic for a moment, 336 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: she knew it was now or never since no ransom 337 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: had been paid. She managed to push open the car 338 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: door and run away with her daughter. The mom tells 339 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: me that a good Samaritan takes them to a shelter. 340 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: It was so packed there weren't enough beds or blankets, 341 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: so mother and daughter were forced to sleep on the 342 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: floor in a room full of strangers. Muchahinte mucha Hentekovi 343 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: has no viesficientropa. And then one night at the shelter, 344 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: something horrible happened. Em says her young daughter woke up 345 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: next to her naked, and she believes her daughter was 346 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. She took her daughter to the doctor and 347 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: tried to report this to the police, but she says 348 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: when they saw her enduran i d they refused to 349 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: take down a report. Em says this entire thing has 350 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: been eating away at her ever since. Ki Maha, who 351 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: knew ber k mis sihoso iksas m says she feels guilty. 352 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: After all, she left Hodudas to protect her kids and 353 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: give them an education. She says she had no way 354 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: to know everything that they'd go through, and still after 355 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: all of this, they haven't even been able to get 356 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: into the United States. Even though the remain in Mexico 357 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: policy is supposed to make an exception for migrants who 358 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: are in very vulnerable positions. M and her daughter, twice 359 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: victims of crime in Mexico, were told that they must 360 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: remain in Mexico for however long it takes for the 361 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: United States to decide their case. In the beginning, when 362 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: Linda Rivas, the lawyer, first started representing them, they were hopeful. 363 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: But now the mom says after her last hearing, she 364 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: doesn't know what to think anymore. The judge, she says, 365 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: seemed like he didn't even care to hear what had 366 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: happened to them. And A, even though she's only seven 367 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: years old, she's picking up on all of it. 368 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 7: Mommy, jo. 369 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: And Mentira Yelo Deira. The little girl tells her mom 370 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: now that it's all a lie, that the United States 371 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: will never let them in. She's clearly been affected by 372 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: everything that they've gone through. Her mom says that now 373 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: her daughter rarely sleeps through the night. As I was leaving, 374 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: I decided to give this little girl a beaded prayer 375 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: bracelet that I was wearing. I tell her that she 376 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: can count the beads at night when she can't sleep, 377 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: just the way that I do Juan Luezo. And then 378 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the little girl grabs her long hair, 379 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: covers her face with it, and she starts telling me 380 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: that she's always dreaming about her mom being kidnapped again. 381 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: That's why she wakes up crying in the middle of 382 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: the night. 383 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 8: Him mohammada, we didn't eat, she says. 384 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: Then she tells me that they were there for five days, 385 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: that they mistreated her Mom, yelled at her, pushed her, 386 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: told her that they'd be killed if they didn't pay. 387 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 4: A hint kilkaroy I. 388 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 3: Is there. 389 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Then she says she can't stop thinking about all the 390 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: other people in the car who didn't get a chance 391 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: to escape. She says, Dio supos by you that God 392 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: will help them, a comforting phrase she's likely heard during 393 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: these fearful times in her life. And had told me 394 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that her daughter A dreams of becoming a doctor. So 395 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: I looked at a in her eyes and I said, 396 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: I know you can become that doctor that you dream 397 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: of becoming. I know you can do it okay see mpiipians, 398 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: it's ben defeaci okay okay. Kidnappings aren't new in Mexico, 399 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: but the number of violent attacks on migrants are increasing. 400 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Over the last year, more than one thousand murders, rapes, 401 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: and kidnappings were reported in Mexico by migrants on MPP. 402 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: They remain in Mexico policy and these are just the 403 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: reported cases. Advocates like Maureen Meyer say the numbers are 404 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: likely much higher. 405 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 6: There's so many cases that are documented of asilnce seekers 406 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 6: under the program that are magicians of kidnapping, sexual assault, explorations, robbery. 407 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 6: That's all the responsibility in the Mexican government. The Mexican 408 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 6: government accepted this program that the US is implementing there 409 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: and has done very little to ensure that anyone under 410 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 6: the program is being adequately protected, is given in access 411 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 6: to shelter or any of the basic public services that 412 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 6: they need to be able to safely stay and pursue 413 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 6: their claims. 414 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: On top of that, the chances of getting asylum approved 415 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: are extremely low. Just zero point one percent of MPP 416 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: cases have been granted, and since COVID nineteen began, the 417 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: situation is even more bleak. Most have had their asylum 418 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: hearings postponed indefinitely as immigration courts shut down in the US. 419 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: That includes the case of M and A and the 420 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: asylum list that's done too. Restrictions are so tight now 421 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: that since late March, less than a dozen asylum seekers 422 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: have been allowed to enter into the United States. We're 423 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: in the desert, so we've been hot all day. You know, 424 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: it's been super warm all day. The sun is just 425 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: about to go down behind the mountains, and already the 426 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: temperature has dropped I don't know, ten degrees in a 427 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: matter of maybe fifteen minutes. But I'm already starting to 428 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: feel shivery. To think that there were children sleeping outside 429 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: in these conditions. It's all about making this as difficult 430 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and as trying and as it's just breaking you down. 431 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: It's wearing you down. These are human beings, you know. 432 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we're tough, you know, but there comes a 433 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: point where you just say, I just can't do this, 434 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: And that's where it's just like, Wow, how many more 435 00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: are gonna never try? Walk away? My trip to what 436 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Is illuminated a lot about how policy changes have effectively 437 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: turned Mexico into a place of permanent limbo for migrants, 438 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: and in between world a kind of barrier itself between 439 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: them and the United States. The policy wall we've talked 440 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: about this episode pushes migrants deeper and deeper into Mexico 441 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: and away from the eyes of public accountability. But stopping 442 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: migrants at the northern border is only part of the plan. 443 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: Immigration opponents want to stop migrants long before at the 444 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: other end of Mexico, on its southern border with Watemala, 445 00:32:47,920 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: in a place called Tapachula. It's Saturday, January eleventh, and 446 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: now I'm at the airport and I'm getting ready to 447 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: board a flight to Tapachula. I realized that the only 448 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: way to really understand what's happening at this northern border 449 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: is to go to a completely different one, much further south. 450 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: And there's another reason why I want to go to Tapachula. 451 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: One year ago, I met a young migrant named Josue 452 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: in Matamoros. He was my son's age twenty three at 453 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 1: the time, and he was living under a bridge hoping 454 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: for a chance to cross into the United States. Over 455 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: the year, he's kept in touch with me, and the 456 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: last time I spoke with him, he was living in 457 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: Tapachula trying to get back to the United States, and 458 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: I've been talking to him throughout my trip, making plans 459 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: to finally see him in Tapachula and hear his story. 460 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: But now I wasn't getting through to him, and so 461 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: now I'm calling him. Let's see just rings and rings. 462 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, did somebody offer him 463 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: a trip and he just said I'm out? Did he 464 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: get kidnapped, did he get put into a detention facility? 465 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Was he arrested because he's sleeping on the street. So yeah, 466 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: this is exactly what it looks like. This is what 467 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: thousands of people are going through, which is suddenly you 468 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: you're not in contact with this person. They're gone. Let's 469 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: see what happens when we get to that Pachua. That's 470 00:34:40,960 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: our flight, Okay, that's our flight. This episode was produced 471 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: by Julietta Martinelli, Fernanda Ca Marena, and myself and edited 472 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: by Marlon Bishop. 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