Speaker 1: Welcome to Bud meets Twirld, a podcast that once chronicled
Speaker 1: two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: but watched a season and walked away experts. From there,
Speaker 1: we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen, but
Speaker 1: Will swore he could win, and now survivor season fifty,
Speaker 1: the Big One, and this time the roles of reverse.
Speaker 1: Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I've watched for years. We are wilfrid L, who prefers
Speaker 1: his wilderness with room service, and Right or Strong, who
Speaker 1: will hike any mountain, but man, I hate the beach.
Speaker 1: Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization
Speaker 1: and one who would never leave the woods if he could.
Speaker 1: Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides,
Speaker 1: fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of
Speaker 1: television history culminating in a single massive season. This is
Speaker 1: Pod meets Twirled Seeking Immunity.
Speaker 2: That's a lot, well, speaking of a lot, it's been
Speaker 2: quite a day in the reality world, hasn't it, my friend?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, we should we should talk about the elephant.
Speaker 2: In the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the piece the room, the easiest way to
Speaker 1: just say it. We were all set. We had already
Speaker 1: announced on the uh, the twitters and the Instagrams that
Speaker 1: we were gonna fold actually double up our reality watching
Speaker 1: and go right into The Bachelorette, because the fans have
Speaker 1: demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about,
Speaker 1: or at least one of us in this case, neither
Speaker 1: of us have ever seen a single episode of The
Speaker 1: bachelorret and and yet they canceled the entire season, thank god.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was and not without you know, by the
Speaker 1: time ABC had canceled it, we had already decided to
Speaker 1: pull our show. Yeah, after much back and forth and
Speaker 1: handwringing and concern and not just don't have clarity in
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, it's tricky, but it seems like in
Speaker 1: general she is not a very good person, and reality
Speaker 1: shows that celebrate not great people are not cool.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And it's yeah again, this is a
Speaker 2: world that you and I know very little about reality,
Speaker 2: and when you get into it, you forget that it's
Speaker 2: these There's a reason it's called reality. Whether it's quote
Speaker 2: unquote scripted reality or heavily produced reality. These are real people,
Speaker 2: So real people come with lots of baggage. Some of
Speaker 2: them it's a minimum amount of baggage, some of them
Speaker 2: it's a kind of a disgusting amount of baggage. The
Speaker 2: thing that is starting to come out more and more though,
Speaker 2: is what the networks actually know about these people before
Speaker 2: they still put them on the.
Speaker 1: Air, or don't know right or don't know.
Speaker 2: But in this case, it seems like ABC knew quite
Speaker 2: a bit about this woman before they decided to pull
Speaker 2: the trigger on what I think is their biggest franchise
Speaker 2: by far. I think The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is
Speaker 2: like their flagship show.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we've talked about the you know, the
Speaker 1: conversation I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago,
Speaker 1: this guy I used to I used to be friends with,
Speaker 1: telling me that like everything changed for the network when
Speaker 1: Snooky got punched. That was the turning moment for that
Speaker 1: was when MTV became a network that was no longer
Speaker 1: about music because they were suddenly going to be all
Speaker 1: about the reality and the drama. And it went like
Speaker 1: so viral back to watch to no. You know, I
Speaker 1: knew that one backwards and forwards. Yeah. The thing the
Speaker 1: thing about this is like for me, this just and
Speaker 1: this is something I've wrestled with, you know, even doing
Speaker 1: these shows. I avoided all reality because I generally thought
Speaker 1: it was a lot of garbage, you know, And and I,
Speaker 1: you know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendelker and
Speaker 1: Chad Coltkan and they really did, you know, uh sort
Speaker 1: of champion reality and explain how it's you know, uh,
Speaker 1: not just trash television, but actually it has nuance and strategies.
Speaker 1: And I've I've come around to see a lot of
Speaker 1: that I really have and get. But I think fundamentally, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and
Speaker 1: uh shodden fuer mm hmm. Oh yeah, you know, one
Speaker 1: of those words that once you learn, you just want
Speaker 1: to use as many times as possible. But it means,
Speaker 1: you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery. And I
Speaker 1: think that there's an element of that that you know,
Speaker 1: a company. It's you know, watching a train wreck can
Speaker 1: be fun. It's rubber necking, right, all the different ways
Speaker 1: to describe. It's the feeling bad about watching something good
Speaker 1: and not being able to turn away. And yeah, I I,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the reality shows that I
Speaker 1: gravitate towards are the ones that are more game show
Speaker 1: based too, talent based for me, talent.
Speaker 2: Based American Idol, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then even like a Loan, which is about survival,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's with the stars. We had a
Speaker 1: great time watching Gets with the Stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, now I get that too. But the
Speaker 2: Snookie thing. The thing that was really interesting about the
Speaker 2: Snooky situation was and and it showed kind of the
Speaker 2: direction they were going. The first time they aired it,
Speaker 2: they blacked out the punch, so you saw the guy
Speaker 2: turn to order, the screen went black, and then you
Speaker 2: saw her on the ground.
Speaker 1: The next time they aired it they showed him punching
Speaker 1: in the face. Wow.
Speaker 2: So it was it was really interesting the way they
Speaker 2: decided to go, like, no, let's just show it, and
Speaker 2: so they originally didn't, and then they made someone made
Speaker 2: the decision show the actual hit, and then they showed
Speaker 2: it over and over.
Speaker 1: Well see, that's kind of my problem is that I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it's the frog boiling in the
Speaker 1: water thing. It's like these little degrees of like, well,
Speaker 1: what are we going to accept as okay to like
Speaker 1: just stand by and let people do live on television
Speaker 1: or not even live, but we're going to edit it
Speaker 1: and exploit it. And you know, I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you think back to the way the news used
Speaker 1: to be, or even these early reality shows, it was
Speaker 1: nothing compared to these days, you know. Yeah, And I think,
Speaker 1: of course everything's been accelerated by the Internet, so videos.
Speaker 2: So I was gonna say, look at social media now,
Speaker 2: I mean, so much silence and flat out watch murder.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's really sad, and maybe we
Speaker 2: are getting to a point of yeah, let's just go
Speaker 2: back to audiators. You know, it's going back to people
Speaker 2: trying in the ring and it's running man, and they
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 1: So that you have produced UFC is is kind of that, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that I remember when UFC. I know, I
Speaker 1: know you're a fan, but I remember when it first
Speaker 1: came out feeling a little I mean, I can't watch
Speaker 1: it like I can't, right, I can't even really watch
Speaker 1: regular boxing. I find violence really hard to watch, and
Speaker 1: I find it, you know, so aboring to experience. I've
Speaker 1: gotten more used to boxing, but I like it better
Speaker 1: in a fictional context. I like it in a movie
Speaker 1: I like it. When I'm watching a real fight, I'm
Speaker 1: usually just like, oh, I look away, and UFC I
Speaker 1: can't watch because for that reason, it's like it's just throw.
Speaker 2: The UFC especially was before there were any rules when
Speaker 2: I mean, I started watching at UFC one, and it
Speaker 2: was brutal because there were no rules, and it was
Speaker 2: just the whole idea was, let's see what happens if
Speaker 2: you put a boxer against the wrestler. What happens if
Speaker 2: you put a mix you know, somebody who does kung
Speaker 2: fu against somebody who does you know?
Speaker 1: So it was that, but it was way too brutal.
Speaker 2: Then the Fritigas bought it, and Dana White came in
Speaker 2: added actual rules, and then now it's to the point
Speaker 2: where the people train their whole lives in MMA, and
Speaker 2: it's two people that it becomes like a game of
Speaker 2: chess when you two people that are really good at it.
Speaker 1: Right, because they're both doing Brazilian jiu jitsu correct and it's.
Speaker 2: Both straight up MMA. It's striking, its grappling, it's all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I've always watching somebody like, punch somebody else in
Speaker 1: the face repeatedly is really hard. Agreed, I get it,
Speaker 1: but you know, at the same time, it's like, and
Speaker 1: I this is where the algorithm of the Internet is
Speaker 1: just so crazy. Like I definitely have gone through periods
Speaker 1: where I'm flipping through my Instagram and I realized, like
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot of like drunk guy getting kicked
Speaker 1: off a plane for being racist videos. I'm like, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I lingered too long on two of these,
Speaker 1: and now it's just he didn't be the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like I remember when when Reels first
Speaker 1: came out, you could click a button and see like
Speaker 1: you're recommended reels. Oh oh God. And and Indie and
Speaker 1: Alex and I were in New York. Actually, she was
Speaker 1: making her movie in New York and we discovered this
Speaker 1: and and Alex was clicking on her. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my reels are like really nice hotel rooms, like beautiful
Speaker 1: hotel rooms like Zillow porn, and then people jumping off
Speaker 1: of high places. That's what I just kept recommend you
Speaker 1: like guys and girls. Just like you know, it was
Speaker 1: always the same song of like you know somebody, I
Speaker 1: forget what the song was, but I believe I can fly.
Speaker 1: Probably it'll come to me anyway, she gives me. We
Speaker 1: were Unfortunately Indy was there to see this. They're like,
Speaker 1: what's your Instagram reels? Just women bouncing? I'm like, what
Speaker 1: have I done that? It's just literally women being like hey,
Speaker 1: and I'm like what what? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would probably be food and random people punch in
Speaker 2: the face, which is they've thrown on my They've thrown
Speaker 2: it now on my thing where it's just like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm on the bus and somebody punches me in the face.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's strange. I do have a bit
Speaker 2: of a bone to pick with you, though, if I'm honest.
Speaker 2: As we're talking about elephants in the room. Uh oh,
Speaker 2: I noticed she had a new partner last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hoping that she will come back to Yeah
Speaker 1: that's what I figured.
Speaker 2: Maybey really make this a good show? Seem like seemed
Speaker 2: like you guys were pretty comforted.
Speaker 1: What will she knew things about Survivor? So it was
Speaker 1: I know things about Survivor. I think you were magical
Speaker 1: rewinding somewhere. No, I was.
Speaker 2: It was my mom's eighty fifth birthday. I was back
Speaker 2: in Connecticut, so yeah, I was travel that one past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you better.
Speaker 2: There's something else I'd like to bring up, which I
Speaker 2: think is pretty important as well.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yeah? Are you sure you're ready? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You got the pants. I got the pants. My friend,
Speaker 1: I've had so many messages from people who's not on
Speaker 1: social media. Get him the pants.
Speaker 2: I got him. I am wearing my Survivor pants as wee.
Speaker 1: Now, you just got to get Jonathan's body. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: good luck with steroids. Ye, he's a giant.
Speaker 2: It's like, seriously, there's fables written stories, fables written about that,
Speaker 2: like a he Man figure.
Speaker 1: Yes, like he looks exactly like the he Man figures.
Speaker 1: He does, he does. He's like he's man at arms,
Speaker 1: like his head. She's been around. And because they all
Speaker 1: had the same body back in the day the he
Speaker 1: Made figures and they weren't like body like bodybuilders have
Speaker 1: gotten even crazier. But he Man was just like those
Speaker 1: perfect alpha body That's exactly what he is. Every time.
Speaker 1: Well Jesus Christ, look at that guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, seriously he is, and and all of his clothes
Speaker 2: look like they're made by fishermen in a small village.
Speaker 2: And so I was able to find the pants and
Speaker 2: this is the this is this is the new the
Speaker 2: new Trader's cloak I have got. I will say they're
Speaker 2: comfortable as hell. These things are amazing. So this and
Speaker 2: a pair of crocs. I'm a happy survivor guy.
Speaker 1: All right. So I'm assuming you watched episode three.
Speaker 2: I watched all of I'm completely caught up. Still don't
Speaker 2: get it completely, so I don't know if.
Speaker 1: You listen to me and Sophie.
Speaker 2: But we had a really it was it was painful
Speaker 2: and it hurt, and I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 2: want to know anything about it.
Speaker 1: I know she said shouldn't eat for like eleven days,
Speaker 1: eleven days no eating. Funny because that I had some
Speaker 1: questions that we had brought up ahead of time, or
Speaker 1: that we'd already talked about that I was able to
Speaker 1: ask her. Uh, I can't remember any of them, so
Speaker 1: I want to. But then I have questions that came
Speaker 1: up to me, like while we were doing you should
Speaker 1: listen to it, you should listen. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: but I would say I will say that the one
Speaker 1: thing I definitely want to talk to you about is
Speaker 1: finally we have seen a chink in Jeff Probe's armor,
Speaker 1: which is his rapping ability.
Speaker 2: He doesn't, as the kids would say, necessarily have the flow,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 1: The equivalent of me. Between last week's Jeff rapping and
Speaker 1: now a country singer who I've never heard of had
Speaker 1: of our episode there, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's I mean? No, the country music I never heard of? Sorry,
Speaker 1: everybody I had neither. I have like pop culturally disabled.
Speaker 2: Me to knew who he was. You obviously knew exactly
Speaker 2: culturally disabled.
Speaker 1: But I very specifically really don't know anything about hip
Speaker 1: hop or country music. They're just two. I know more
Speaker 1: about hip hop than I do country music. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I know nothing. So yeah, so this week, yeah, so
Speaker 1: between the last two weeks musically, I feel very out
Speaker 1: of touch. But I feel like Jeff really shouldn't have
Speaker 1: should should have. Sophie was like, I think he might
Speaker 1: have reckoned.
Speaker 2: You might have suggested, oh god, yeah no, so yeah
Speaker 2: what rhymes with don't wrap anymore?
Speaker 1: Jeff, Bob? What I would? I would kick this aflow?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm gonna be totally honestly too. I still
Speaker 1: can't get into it. I just with the show, the show.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Are you kidding me? No? I
Speaker 1: thought this was because I thought this was one of
Speaker 1: the best episodes.
Speaker 2: It's it's this is literally just a bunch of people
Speaker 2: sitting around all episode talking about who they're going to
Speaker 2: vote off.
Speaker 1: That's the whole show. And then occasionally they go out
Speaker 1: and well, yeah, then they could.
Speaker 2: Then they go out and they do a weird physical challenge,
Speaker 2: and then they sit back in again in the woods
Speaker 2: and talk about who they're going to kick off.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a big brother just in It's just
Speaker 1: Big Brother just in the woods. That's how is it
Speaker 1: different than Traders?
Speaker 2: Because Traders is like there's a pageantry to Traders, and
Speaker 2: it's there's the you know, this ridiculous kind of characters
Speaker 2: and the big costumes and all stuff. This is literally
Speaker 2: just people sitting around going.
Speaker 1: Hey, should we vote out this person? No, we should
Speaker 1: vote out that person? Well what about this? Well I
Speaker 1: want I don't want to be with them.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they said are going to vote me
Speaker 2: out and I'm just like they are spearfishing.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 2: Show me that the idea that she said, I haven't
Speaker 2: eaten in eleven days, Show me that you guys can't
Speaker 2: get food.
Speaker 1: Show me all that we talked about this day one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: could not be more. I think these episodes should be
Speaker 1: more about like the surviving, right, or even this silliness
Speaker 1: like when they did the Talent Show. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to see more of that, you know, like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's yes, Like I want the like what's it like
Speaker 1: to be bored? You know? Yehen days in and all
Speaker 1: you have is yeah. But I agree, they get into
Speaker 1: the strategy, they get it, and partly, you know, I
Speaker 1: think maybe as the show goes on, because there'll be
Speaker 1: less characters, you might get a little more into it,
Speaker 1: like right, because you get more attached to people. Right now,
Speaker 1: it really is a little hard to be like, wait, Stephanie.
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm learning them people's names. When they're kicked off,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh that was cute. I know, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's that's how I And I'm thinking about you as
Speaker 2: I'm watching this because what you said about Traders, where
Speaker 2: you were like, I kind of wish I started with
Speaker 2: just regular people. I wish I started Survivor on a
Speaker 2: season where it's not already about interpersonal relationships that come
Speaker 2: from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I know people are watching this, people that are big.
Speaker 2: It seems like this season of Survivor is made for
Speaker 2: people who watch Survivor.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, it's like a culmination of all the years.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree, like we kind of screwed ourselves
Speaker 1: with Trators and Survivor. They're both meta, you know, they're
Speaker 1: both like in these sort of meta season moments. And
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't. I don't love it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like this one because I have my favorite people
Speaker 1: that I like watching, and you know, but that's that's
Speaker 1: my thing. Like I agree, man, like that. I think
Speaker 1: the joy of Survivor has has just adjusted and it's
Speaker 1: interesting to think about how that's happening overall culturally, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like even our politicians are
Speaker 1: usually people we've already seen before, right, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: we're in this echo chamber of like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we only nominate or want to see people that have
Speaker 1: already done other things before. It's a weird, like repetitive moment.
Speaker 1: Look at what we do for a living.
Speaker 2: We're going back and watching our show from thirty years
Speaker 2: ago because there's a comfortability to yes, something we already
Speaker 2: know and as somebody deals with anxiety.
Speaker 1: There's a reason I.
Speaker 2: Watch mash every night when I'm going to better people
Speaker 2: who are anxious people watch the same things over and
Speaker 2: over because it's no surprises, you know what to expect
Speaker 2: go in with that.
Speaker 1: So I was, yes, I was. I was interviewed about
Speaker 1: my other podcast, The Red Weather. Please go Red Wether
Speaker 1: to it now if anybody's interested, I'm I was being
Speaker 1: interviewed about it by this cultural critic who goes by
Speaker 1: pop smart media, doctor Shannon. She's amazing, and she she
Speaker 1: brought up the fact that during times of like extreme conflict,
Speaker 1: historically people go to fantasy or nostalgia. And it's so true.
Speaker 1: It's like fantasy or nostalgia, it's like scrapism or what
Speaker 1: we already know and feel comfortable with. And I think
Speaker 1: that I think that we are definitely in that moment
Speaker 1: kind of overall for maybe the last like ten fifteen years, culturally,
Speaker 1: we're just seemed to be going further and further, Like
Speaker 1: you don't see much new stuff, you know. That's why
Speaker 1: I love to see like a movie like Sinners, which
Speaker 1: you know, take or leave it. What's great is it's
Speaker 1: a regional yeah, you know, like, I just the chance
Speaker 1: that a studio will give a director an original movie,
Speaker 1: and especially a new director that isn't somebody from the
Speaker 1: nineties like Paul Thomas Anderson, right, I love, but like
Speaker 1: a new director, like what was the last time we
Speaker 1: saw it? All Right, we're goetting off on a tangent.
Speaker 1: Let's by the way.
Speaker 2: You just you just but you just put a new
Speaker 2: word in my head because you know that I'm writing
Speaker 2: a book and it's it's nostalgia and fantasy.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: It's got to be called Fanstalgiaanstalgia.
Speaker 1: Fanstalgia's brilliant. I don't know. That really sounds like a
Speaker 1: disease that you get cured by Garbain saltwater.
Speaker 2: If you have had nostalgia. But it's the baking powder
Speaker 2: on it. And first of all, baking powder does everything.
Speaker 2: I don't like that little that fake little product that
Speaker 2: does everything.
Speaker 1: How about no, no antasy, No, see it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. Let's do Survivor.
Speaker 1: Let's do Survivor. Episode four Q has been voted out.
Speaker 1: Stephanie is very sad about it. Stephanie was like an
Speaker 1: e in the wrong place. For some reason without his
Speaker 1: ah really throws me like you should be Christian or something.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to say it. Agreed, are these
Speaker 1: are the important observation? So you can only get here people,
Speaker 1: This is what you come to pods world, no idea,
Speaker 1: what the shoe's about. Let's go your news. So lamely
Speaker 1: said right or strong shut? Okay, riders strong and will
Speaker 1: not our hy d e r. He's gotta make it
Speaker 1: harder for everybody. I love it, all right. So what
Speaker 1: was interesting about this moment coming back to camp is
Speaker 1: how because you know, there's always like they have to
Speaker 1: face who they blindsided, because usually there's one person or
Speaker 1: two people who didn't know it the way the vote
Speaker 1: was going to go. So there's always this moment. And
Speaker 1: I thought, it's so interesting that Ozzy like immediately becomes
Speaker 1: like coach, like I mean, like the character, but like
Speaker 1: a camp counselor like talking to everybody and like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we had to do that and he kind of
Speaker 1: made which is like such a bad move. He has
Speaker 1: that charisma, but like, dude, don't take credit for this,
Speaker 1: Like I agree, you know he does. He does this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff all the time. You're like you're being
Speaker 1: a good guy, but you're actually putting yourself in a
Speaker 1: vulnerable position, like he should have just let somebody else
Speaker 1: take the fall for that, and you know anyway, but
Speaker 1: he immediately is like, I want to get Angelina out
Speaker 1: because I want to become Mike's number one.
Speaker 2: So last week was the tribe swap, which, frankly, when
Speaker 2: I tuned in, I thought it was going to be
Speaker 2: a much more entertaining episode.
Speaker 1: It was not what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's just lots of sex in between
Speaker 2: the different tribes, and that's not what happened.
Speaker 1: So that was not what a tribe swinging. That's okay, That's.
Speaker 2: What I was like, Ooh, tribe swap, We're finally getting
Speaker 2: there on Survivor. And then nope, they just they just
Speaker 2: put on different color headbands, like oh man, that sucks,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 1: Saw how it kind of resets the show.
Speaker 2: And that's a normal thing. Every year they do a tie,
Speaker 2: not every year, and.
Speaker 1: In fact, they did it so early this year. It
Speaker 1: was just like, oh and yeah, unfortunately it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not boded well for Vatu because uh, keep losing, keep losing,
Speaker 1: which is that thing that happens. Man, it's just getting weaker,
Speaker 1: getting weaker. And you know, I think we saw this
Speaker 1: episode when you vote vote out your physical players. I
Speaker 1: didn't get that. I mean, I guess what they say
Speaker 1: exactly what Ozzie said, Yes, like like, why are.
Speaker 2: We getting rid of the queue, the big dude that
Speaker 2: can help us push stuff?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking? I know, and you saw it
Speaker 1: immediately in this challenge. It's just yeah. And I'm surprised
Speaker 1: they didn't say anything about it, like none of them
Speaker 1: brought it up. I guess they just know that's on them, right,
Speaker 1: But it would be And I told you so too.
Speaker 1: I told you so from Ozzie could have gone along
Speaker 1: because no, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2: It's like how you know you it's what the what
Speaker 2: what Ben told us about traders was a Ben or
Speaker 2: chat I told us where it's like keep keep the
Speaker 2: person you know who's a trader there the whole time
Speaker 2: until the end, and then vote himut where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: keep the people that are going to help you with
Speaker 2: the heavy ship, keep.
Speaker 1: Them there for a while. Yes, But over at the
Speaker 1: other tribe, you also want to keep your talented talent
Speaker 1: show people. Wow, Okay, what's what's the number one rule
Speaker 1: about when you know your impression is horrible, don't do
Speaker 1: it when you have to say who you're doing exactly
Speaker 1: like you, I can't do it. You can do it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, there's Mickey's up here. So you got high.
Speaker 1: I'm Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 2: If you have yes, I'm Mickey Mouse. Don't you get it? Hey,
Speaker 2: it's me. Look at Goofy and Pluto, they're and my
Speaker 2: dogs and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's you're like, yeah, you're talking to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you talking to me? Robert? I'm funny? How I'm funny?
Speaker 1: How funny? How that's so true? Number one rule of impressions.
Speaker 1: If you got to say the name, it's not doing
Speaker 1: it good. Not good. So I would have given it
Speaker 1: to the wrestlers because I thought that was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fake punching and all that stuff was great. I meanwhile,
Speaker 1: over at Callo coaches getting his hair braided. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful braid. She was like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm good at Whoever that person was was like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm really good at braid.
Speaker 1: That's what happened?
Speaker 2: Was it? Yet?
Speaker 1: I don't even know who it was. I don't know
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll get there, we'll get it and now.
Speaker 2: And it's like, right when I start to learn somebody's name,
Speaker 2: they switched the tribes and it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm gonna wait till the last three. They
Speaker 1: are really not re emphasizing their characters because they assume
Speaker 1: that you've seen them. Right. It's a hard season, dude, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you came in on a tough season. I get it.
Speaker 1: Aubrey is the one that's the outcast, the sort of
Speaker 1: nerdy girl who's worried so and she's looking for idols
Speaker 1: when Genevieve is suddenly calling out for her and she's like,
Speaker 1: my god, leave me alone. But she has a billy idol.
Speaker 1: Aubrey does that. Yeah, she's gifted.
Speaker 2: Yes, and nobody's called it billy idle yet how is
Speaker 2: that possible? In four episodes nobody's called it billy idle?
Speaker 1: Yet no one has your brain? No, I probably wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: So sad, so sad this generation. Genevieve then goes and
Speaker 1: finds another Billie Eilish idol, which I can't even keep
Speaker 1: track of these anymore? Is this now? I thought?
Speaker 2: Okay, so question are there are all these idols gonna
Speaker 2: be billy idols or do you get different types of
Speaker 2: irregular idolhole?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I thought maybe this would finally
Speaker 1: just be a regular idol, but it was Billy eilish idol.
Speaker 1: So I guess maybe that's just the way the season's
Speaker 1: gonna work.
Speaker 2: On different seasons, though, Do different idols do different things?
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, they always have a type of idol, and
Speaker 1: I think it. The question for me is that I
Speaker 1: don't I can't answer, is are they only one type
Speaker 1: of idol for the whole season, right? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I feel like there have been different types of idols,
Speaker 1: But there's also just been times where they don't even
Speaker 1: find an idol, They only find a clue, and then
Speaker 1: that clue becomes an advantage, and then the advantage might
Speaker 1: lead them to an idol. That's cool.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Oh there's tons of dude, they've had to like dig up,
Speaker 1: like they've had to like in your like there. Like
Speaker 1: some of the funnest is when it's like a treasure hunt.
Speaker 1: So it will be like if in your main camp
Speaker 1: something is hidden but you only can see it if you,
Speaker 1: you know, go here and then they were like in
Speaker 1: front of everybody having to like dig something up and
Speaker 1: taught stuff like that. I love that stuff. I love
Speaker 1: that in plain sight on traders, it's like that they
Speaker 1: have to find the idol. I love it. And that's
Speaker 1: like super national treasure kind of stuff right underneath where
Speaker 1: everyone's getting their water, so you have to like come
Speaker 1: back for it later or you know, yeah, super cool, dude.
Speaker 1: I like that. And so this I was a little,
Speaker 1: honestly just disappointed to see the Billie Eilish idol comebacks maybe,
Speaker 1: but I will say the way she played it is
Speaker 1: super interesting. Did you did you capture her whole strategy
Speaker 1: with this? What do you mean? Well, so she's gonna
Speaker 1: give it to Rizzo, right so that then when they
Speaker 1: can come back together, she can tell him I gave
Speaker 1: that to you. We're in an alliance together because I
Speaker 1: gave that to you. But then.
Speaker 2: She gets her super smart it's actually the super smartest
Speaker 2: way to use the boomerang eye, which I had not
Speaker 2: thought that through until she said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's the smartest thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's it's but I thought you had to give it
Speaker 1: to somebody in a different tribe. Did but she knows
Speaker 1: that she's gonna then play him later.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, because it's it says something like it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it's not active until there's like five people
Speaker 2: left something like that.
Speaker 1: There was something like five people left merged. At some point,
Speaker 1: they're going to merge the tribes. So if he makes
Speaker 1: it to the end, he could still have the idol
Speaker 1: with her. She already has an idol, right, because she
Speaker 1: has one that somebody. Oh, no, she found another one.
Speaker 1: You did it to Ozzie. She gave it to Ozzie.
Speaker 1: So she's gonna come together and be like, Ozzie, I
Speaker 1: gave you yours, Rizzo, I gave you yours, and she
Speaker 1: seems she can turn on Rizzo and get it for herself.
Speaker 2: Mark And I think the other thing is because it
Speaker 2: looks like, uh, there's clearly a disconnect between Rizzo and
Speaker 2: the other dude, the other young guy.
Speaker 1: Charlie Charlie.
Speaker 2: And so I think one of the other things with
Speaker 2: the Billie idol is if you're voted out and it's
Speaker 2: still in your pocket, it reverts back to the person
Speaker 2: that found it, so you can do it again.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm no.
Speaker 2: She's going to be doing it, but she doesn't even
Speaker 2: have to vote him out like his his own tri right,
Speaker 2: and then if he doesn't play it, then then she
Speaker 2: gets it back at it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's weirdly you want to pick somebody
Speaker 1: who's targeted. That's why Aubrey was a good choice for
Speaker 1: the other you know other smart yeah, smart. All right.
Speaker 1: Then we go to this immunity challenge. And the second
Speaker 1: I saw this thing, because they have done this in
Speaker 1: the past, I was like, oh God, because this is
Speaker 1: one of the hardest immunity challenges. Like there's sunken boat.
Speaker 1: The boat is so heavy. I'm just like, and that's
Speaker 1: why I was immediately like, they're going to regret regret
Speaker 1: boating not sucks mane. Every time they've had this, it's
Speaker 1: like or maybe they've only had it once, but I
Speaker 1: remember it for being just like the most grueling, horrible,
Speaker 1: uh horrible challenge.
Speaker 2: To watch, but really this is something like this becomes
Speaker 2: more effective as a viewer if I know how hungry
Speaker 2: they are at this point, if I understand that they've
Speaker 2: been my god, I didn't eat today, We've had nothing.
Speaker 2: I had a handful of rice, and now I have
Speaker 2: to push a boat. Then I get it more because
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there as a viewer who doesn't know how
Speaker 2: hungry they are because they're not playing any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to assume, and I'm like, well, why
Speaker 1: is that one team not able to push the boat
Speaker 1: at all? Why can that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: The other? Well, Jeff says that he keeps saying like
Speaker 1: after not eating you no during yeah, but during he
Speaker 1: was also like, but also like watching how happy they
Speaker 1: are to eat food when they get that's yes, that's
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: It means so much more if you they play into
Speaker 2: the hunger and there no food in my cat.
Speaker 1: I think there's just an assumption that you've seen enough
Speaker 1: survivor who knows. I know I didn't. So we get
Speaker 1: this whole guessing game of what the special guest who's
Speaker 1: coming to the island is. Is this normal? Do they
Speaker 1: normally bring people on the island? Okay? Nope, never seen
Speaker 1: this before? Okay, and uh, you know, I thought it
Speaker 1: was cool. But it went on a long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was like twenty five minutes of the episode was
Speaker 1: like this Zach Brown special, which sh okay, like, I
Speaker 1: don't I have no reason to break around. But I
Speaker 1: did not need to see a commercial of free or
Speaker 1: like a music video of him spearfishing and then playing
Speaker 1: like three songs? Does he play three songs? I think
Speaker 1: I was just definitely like all right, and they're good songs.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, yeah, I should check out his music.
Speaker 2: But those are also incredibly long fins. Did you notice
Speaker 2: how long his fins were when he got on the
Speaker 2: ocean spear he was spearfishing with a bazuka?
Speaker 1: He did, I mean, neither of fins? Okay, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: you're right. Your reward is that this guy's gonna catch
Speaker 1: you fish and play music. And at this point I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they're going to catch the fish for
Speaker 1: him and say he caught it, which glad to see
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. I was impressed at the show didn't
Speaker 1: just manipulate us, actually showed him fishing, all right. So
Speaker 1: then Serie sits out, Genevieve sits out a little moment.
Speaker 1: I don't know when Genevieve gets to be the one
Speaker 1: that sits out where I thought maybe Aubrey was a
Speaker 1: little pissed. She like turned in. It was like the
Speaker 1: quickest thing. I didn't go back, but if any of
Speaker 1: our listeners thought the same thing, because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: the Genevieve Aubrey. Uh, there's a rivalry. They're really really
Speaker 1: leaning into here. And then they start the thing. Ozzy,
Speaker 1: last one in the water, first one of the platform,
Speaker 1: because he is he's a superman's yeah, he's a dolphin. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Then they have to untie these buckets with the knots.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, not the knots. Not climbing things to
Speaker 1: untie things. That's all I would do to study.
Speaker 2: I would just climb thing and untie something, climb, swim, swim, swim,
Speaker 2: and then and climb something yep, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then just pushing these these boats. Like it's just
Speaker 1: looks so hard, so miserable, unless you're Jonathan who flipped
Speaker 1: the thing over by himself, the thing over by himself.
Speaker 1: Have you dumping?
Speaker 2: I mean, just now, what do you think the chances
Speaker 2: are that a good portion of his power and strength
Speaker 2: comes from his pants, which I now have.
Speaker 1: We'll see you think next week you'll be like pushing
Speaker 1: ship recks out.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if like, is it become is there a
Speaker 2: superhuman power in the pastors? Yeah, I'm just wondering I
Speaker 2: might be very much stronger than you coming soon because
Speaker 2: of the pants is all on.
Speaker 1: Wait, I can't wait. Let's have a challenge. My friends
Speaker 1: have a challenge. Flip over a boat, untie some ship.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the one time we tried to play basketball? No,
Speaker 1: I mean besides on Boyme's World, which we did with
Speaker 1: the Home Improvement kids. Yeah, you and our brothers, your
Speaker 1: brother Greg and my brother Shallow try to play basketball
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood. You don't remember this. God, When our
Speaker 1: brothers were living together in West Hollywood, we were like
Speaker 1: we should, uh, we should play some basketball. We were like, yeah.
Speaker 1: We lasted fifteen minutes and that I just remember you
Speaker 1: red face sweated, me unable to breathe it. He could
Speaker 1: just be like, all right, we're done. I probably had
Speaker 1: to seeah, I probably had to stop to smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 1: We would not do well in Survivor by no, my god.
Speaker 1: And that was when we were like twenty eight, not
Speaker 1: even like I was even younger. Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I blank that out. Oh my god, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm in shape, rounds of shape.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So Callo wins Sila's and second and
Speaker 1: Vatsu is just destroyed yet again, and they're so exhausted
Speaker 1: and defeated. Just watching them crawl out of the night
Speaker 1: was like the saddest thing in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, that was the thing they finished. One team was done,
Speaker 2: already back at their camp listening to music. The other
Speaker 2: team was done, had built the sand castle, was all
Speaker 2: having fun. The third team was still in the net
Speaker 2: like you. They cut to it and it was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're still in the net. I felt
Speaker 2: so bad, horrible, And Mike.
Speaker 1: White just just he aged about fifteen years in the
Speaker 1: course of this episode. He did like Jess calls him
Speaker 1: out at a very tribal and it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: he gets this like far away look in his eyes
Speaker 1: where he's just like, you're out of it, dude, like
Speaker 1: looking a little rough there. Bro. Yeah it was, it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. They were all just white. I also love it.
Speaker 2: It's really that I noticed it in this episode only
Speaker 2: once or twice they call him Mike.
Speaker 1: They always call him Mike White. They always called him
Speaker 1: Mike White the whole time. Yeah, really weird. So at
Speaker 1: the Sanctuary, which is this is where they get to
Speaker 1: go for their rewards. If they get food and it's
Speaker 1: just heaven on earth for everybody because like you see them,
Speaker 1: they're just like tubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh also though, one of the things too, when
Speaker 2: I were talking about was a you're in the sun
Speaker 2: a whole lot with no calories in you.
Speaker 1: You start drinking, you're gonna get hammered. I know I
Speaker 1: would never do that. I would you never know and
Speaker 1: be wasted.
Speaker 2: You're gonna eat too much and there's a good chance
Speaker 2: you're also gonna have some serious gastro intestinal problems.
Speaker 1: And that's happened. I've seen, They've seen, They've shown people
Speaker 1: like throwing up. How could you not because you go
Speaker 1: from nothing to essentially gorging. You gotta take it easy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta take it easy. Yeah, it was. But this
Speaker 1: is why I would starve myself before ever going out there. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would be like I would be on I would
Speaker 1: be fasting and working out like for weeks just to
Speaker 1: build your your bodies, like get your body used to that,
Speaker 1: because yeah, the survivor diet. All right. Uh. Then it
Speaker 1: becomes this commercial for Zach Brown's awesomeness watching him jump
Speaker 1: into the water with this like bazooka spear that I
Speaker 1: was just like, what have you ever been spearfishing? I
Speaker 1: have not, Okay, I've been spearfishing, but you do it
Speaker 1: like like OZI does it with like a sling, which
Speaker 1: is like a stretchy goes and like one little and
Speaker 1: you just like it almost like looks like an automatic rifle.
Speaker 1: It relad But then he catches a fish that is
Speaker 1: bigger than anything. Yeah to Tuna, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: was insane.
Speaker 2: And how he's talking about how he's like, you got
Speaker 2: to get it in because the sharks are coming.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, that's crazy. But it happened
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Did you notice though that it looked like every single
Speaker 2: one of his tattoos he had done yesterday. Oh, like
Speaker 2: they were all bright and fact like I have tattoos
Speaker 2: and there's some I forget I have. And I look
Speaker 2: at him like, oh my god, I can't believe he
Speaker 2: can even still see the ink his They looked like
Speaker 2: he was just yes, like every six months he go
Speaker 2: gets them redone.
Speaker 1: Because they clearly wanted to make zact brown look awesome,
Speaker 1: so they might have just given him a little color correct.
Speaker 1: He looked pretty awesome. Though, he looked pretty awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was doing, dude, the one shark ing counter I've
Speaker 1: ever had with spearfishing, and that's exactly you it ate fish. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I was going with my buddy who's
Speaker 1: like a big spear fisher. He got in the Bahamas
Speaker 1: and he you know, I did two trips with him,
Speaker 1: and I only ever got a lobster because I can't
Speaker 1: hit ship as you walk up and just knock it
Speaker 1: on the head. No, they're in the they're under it,
Speaker 1: like you have to find them under rocks, like in
Speaker 1: the core, like you have to find low under So
Speaker 1: I found him in a little thing, but he's not moving.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: So that was my big spear fishing moment catching. I
Speaker 1: think I got two lobster, but he got a you know.
Speaker 1: And it was so funny because like before we went,
Speaker 1: he's like, stay com if we see sharks, it's not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, you whatever, And I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm terrified of sharks of course. And
Speaker 1: then we get in the water and he got a fish.
Speaker 1: So he's got a fish in the end of and
Speaker 1: nothing like the size of Zach Brown's like a regular
Speaker 1: size little fish. It's like cool, we're gonna get sushi, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if we get four more of these, we
Speaker 1: have a meal. It's men. And and then I see
Speaker 1: a shark and it's you know, not huge, but it's
Speaker 1: a freaking shark. Yes, and it's dark swimming towards us.
Speaker 1: Oh God, and my buddy like pops up out of
Speaker 1: the water and where he's up about it, and I
Speaker 1: pop up and he's talking to me. I forget what
Speaker 1: he was saying, and I'm just like trying to stay calm.
Speaker 1: My heart's racing. I know the shark is coming towards
Speaker 1: us of the water, and I'm like, he's so okay,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to interrupt him, but you, uh,
Speaker 1: did you saw the shark right? And he's like what
Speaker 1: he looks down and the shark is like coming right
Speaker 1: because he's a bleeding fish. So then he the shark
Speaker 1: comes right out of me. He like dives away and
Speaker 1: has to give give the shark the fish because the
Speaker 1: shark was like actually coming. Oh and god, you know
Speaker 1: that he was bleeding down his hand from the spear,
Speaker 1: so he just like turned it over and like pushed
Speaker 1: the fish off and let the let the shark get
Speaker 1: the fish. And then he was like, well, writer, you
Speaker 1: were a little too calm. He will do this dude
Speaker 1: who was fine with a freaking shark.
Speaker 2: No, no, thank you, No, it'll be Nobu for me,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. It was pretty cool though. We were
Speaker 1: literally came out sushi every night, like we would catch
Speaker 1: fish and then just have sushi. It was delicious. Oh
Speaker 1: so much fun. Uh anyway, not as good as Zach Brown. No,
Speaker 1: that guy's a monster. And then you know they have
Speaker 1: this incredible meal after he like carves it up for them,
Speaker 1: and then they get a private concert, which reminded me
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World, where I was awkwardly staring at
Speaker 1: the Nobody's Angels performing this day with my face. They
Speaker 1: had a much better concert that that. They were clearly
Speaker 1: actually I was like, oh, what would I have been like?
Speaker 1: I would have actually been I love his voice.
Speaker 2: Oh he's not into country music, but I will certainly
Speaker 2: listen to him. He seems like he's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He seemed like he was a big fan. The man's
Speaker 2: got phenomenal fins. So yeah, this was Uh, I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: I'll check it out all right Over at Cela Dee
Speaker 1: was crying she's a big Zach Brown fawn. Ok yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Rizzo gets his his idol that he's been
Speaker 1: gifted from the Billie idol and thinks he is best.
Speaker 1: Like I've told every.
Speaker 2: Season, it's like if you played too, yeah, and somebody
Speaker 2: also gave this to you.
Speaker 1: He didn't find anything. I'm one of the better players
Speaker 1: to ever play this game. And I'm like, you are
Speaker 1: so twenty five right now.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I do like him and and Sophie it was on
Speaker 1: with me last week, said she they're like best friends,
Speaker 1: and okay, she's she was so cool and she's like,
Speaker 1: he's a genuinely great guy. I believe her. I believe
Speaker 1: that he is a good guy.
Speaker 2: I'd ask that you not mention her anymore. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: let's not bring her up. Okay, my new co host, hey,
Speaker 2: f so pain.
Speaker 1: She was actually probably really upset that you weren't here.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll just have her back on.
Speaker 2: I wore new pants for you to try to get
Speaker 2: it to get.
Speaker 1: Back, bring her back. I've got I've got something performance
Speaker 1: as we go on, and especially the fact that she
Speaker 1: brought he brought her up in the episode that we
Speaker 1: were or that she was on to recap with me.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling like Rizzo's gonna you know, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some drama late later on that we would
Speaker 1: love to have her way in on.
Speaker 2: Okay, question is is Survivor like it seems like in
Speaker 2: Traders when somebody mentions your name, your your moments up,
Speaker 2: like you're you're the countdown has started for you being
Speaker 2: kicked off? Is it kind of the same on Survivor
Speaker 2: because now his debt, Charlie or whatever his name is,
Speaker 2: now he's like, I'm getting this dude off. Is that
Speaker 2: usually the start of like we're gonna get somebody off.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's also editing, right, Like they could be
Speaker 1: bringing up people constantly and just yeah showing them. But
Speaker 1: they've clearly planted the seeds for a rivalry here because
Speaker 1: they reiterated that this episode and it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this episode. So when you see that kind
Speaker 1: of editing where they brought it back up, played it out,
Speaker 1: I bet you next episode that rivalry is gonna really
Speaker 1: come or four episodes down the line, right they are
Speaker 1: They clearly plant these seeds for the whole season. Makes sense,
Speaker 1: makes sense, you know, it makes sense, But I would
Speaker 1: love to be you know, I'd love to experience what
Speaker 1: what how many times they do have these conversations that
Speaker 1: go nowhere? Yeah, and therefore don't get you know, like.
Speaker 2: Wonder the amount of footage they're throwing out where it's
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: Well, they're on the beach all day every day.
Speaker 2: You could do fifteen episodes a week of the same
Speaker 2: day if you want.
Speaker 1: To a cruise with them at night, because there have
Speaker 1: been episodes where in the middle of the night people
Speaker 1: sneak out to go do something like bury an idol,
Speaker 1: get a get a buried idol, or to meet rendezvous
Speaker 1: with another person in the middle of the night, and
Speaker 1: the camera crews are there, so they have there are
Speaker 1: people always on the beach filming them constantly ready.
Speaker 2: To do they ever give any kind of logistics of
Speaker 2: how close you are to another camp?
Speaker 1: I mean, are they like walking distance from each other?
Speaker 1: Or I would have loved to ask sof I mean no,
Speaker 1: because they always have to take boats, right, they always
Speaker 1: show up in boats, So you never see people like
Speaker 1: walk to another camp.
Speaker 2: Okay, you wonder how I wonder how close they are
Speaker 2: to each other in actuality?
Speaker 1: I do too. That's a good question. All right over
Speaker 1: at Vatu. I thought it was interesting how positive they
Speaker 1: were all being considering you know, we went from selah
Speaker 1: D's like crying, like you guys got immunity, and then
Speaker 1: we go to Vatu and they're like, all right, team
Speaker 1: we did. We didn't win, but we did, okay, you
Speaker 1: we did all right? Like what really I guess they
Speaker 1: you know, they say it right away, is that they
Speaker 1: were already kind of planning to go for Angelina, which
Speaker 1: is Mike, Ozzy and Christian's plan, right, Which which one's Angelina,
Speaker 1: the one who stayed despite being the one that they
Speaker 1: said they were going to vote up for, big curly
Speaker 1: brown hair. So Angelina is like Mike's sidekick because they
Speaker 1: were on a season together. And then she's the one
Speaker 1: that I think was on White Lotus has like had
Speaker 1: like a one line. I think that's Angelina. So that's
Speaker 1: what Mike when he the other one is the big
Speaker 1: curly hair. So that's why when Mike runs, he spends
Speaker 1: this entire you know, rest of this episode trying to
Speaker 1: save Angelina, and he even has to admit it's not
Speaker 1: because she's a good player. He's doing it because they're
Speaker 1: they're friends in real life, like they were on their
Speaker 1: free season, so he just kind of doesn't want her
Speaker 1: to get kicked off. Turns out to be a really
Speaker 1: bad move. Yeah, so Mike decides to start targeting Emily
Speaker 1: to kind of get everybody off of Angelina, and he
Speaker 1: has this great line where I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is this guy's clearly a writer, where he says, you know,
Speaker 1: she's a cougar in the shape of a ren Fair girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. Yeah, but then we'll come back later because
Speaker 1: he has some not so great lines coming up.
Speaker 2: The second he said it's at this game, I'm Machiavelli,
Speaker 2: I knew who was gone.
Speaker 1: I turned to Sue and I went, he's voted out tonight.
Speaker 1: You can't get too cocky man.
Speaker 2: Nope. And the second they start to show it's like
Speaker 2: when you watch Top Chef when they start to weirdly
Speaker 2: focus on one chef, it's always like, that's when he's
Speaker 2: going to be kicked off tonight. And the second they
Speaker 2: started really focusing on Mike and some of those zingers
Speaker 2: he was pointing out, was.
Speaker 1: Like, he's done and they're kicking him out tonight. I know.
Speaker 1: I loved this singer and I was like, he's a
Speaker 1: great writer. He got Sephanie on his side. Then he
Speaker 1: tells Christian and Angelina to go for Emily, and Christian
Speaker 1: is in this sort of he's stuck because he feels
Speaker 1: you know. But and then Mike and Christian have this
Speaker 1: scene which turns out to be a pretty big thing.
Speaker 1: And this is where Mike's writing linguistic ability was not
Speaker 1: so good. He says, she's a nerd bomb where the
Speaker 1: nerd girl stabs the nerd guy on the back. Was
Speaker 1: mixing your metaphors, dude, I like you love her in
Speaker 1: the shape of a renfair girl a lot better. But
Speaker 1: what I really was thinking while I'm watching this, I
Speaker 1: was like, Mike, you're the nerd girl in this situation
Speaker 1: or the nerd guy. You're doing the same thing. You're
Speaker 1: going to turn around and stab Christian in the back.
Speaker 1: And I was so glad that Christian saw that for
Speaker 1: what it was, because, you know, he seems to do
Speaker 1: a Christian Christians very smart and humble in a way
Speaker 1: that that that Mike is not right. Mike is I think,
Speaker 1: been directing a little too long, and and and and
Speaker 1: believes in his own persuasive powers a little too much.
Speaker 2: Well, he said, he's like, all the only the only
Speaker 2: thing survivor is is just convincing other people to do
Speaker 2: what you want them to do.
Speaker 1: And I wow, yeah, right, but it's still right, and
Speaker 1: he does have good skills at it. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you're directing your actors on White Lotus, they kind
Speaker 1: of have to do what you're going to say, right,
Speaker 1: So you think you're a great persuasive person, but the
Speaker 1: reality is they get paid to be there and do
Speaker 1: what you're You know, you're you're the boss.
Speaker 2: Your your cast isn't going to turn around and vote
Speaker 2: you out of directing.
Speaker 1: No no, yeah, your producers maybe, the network maybe, But
Speaker 1: even at this point, no, no. By the second season
Speaker 1: of White Lotus, they're gettingtting him do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: He took that for granted, man, I think because really
Speaker 1: he should have been drawing Christian in, you know, and
Speaker 1: instead he really kind of pushed him away from it
Speaker 1: with this moment, and.
Speaker 2: His ego got him kicked out. I think so, man,
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 1: So because actually you look at Mike and Christian and Emily,
Speaker 1: these are the sort of nerdier like they should have
Speaker 1: sticking together, and instead, by like characterizing her as a nerd.
Speaker 1: Christian is going to take that personally for him to
Speaker 1: you know, it's wearing a robot shirt. Yeah, not a
Speaker 1: cool way to go, man. No, no, it was a
Speaker 1: big misstep on my I agree. Was his ego got
Speaker 1: him kicked off the show? All right? I liked. I
Speaker 1: liked the way that he dealt with it though.
Speaker 2: I like how he was like, oh, of course nice, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: good job guys, Like I like that.
Speaker 1: Is ultimately a good guy. Like, yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: just screwed up here, and and you know, and it
Speaker 1: all comes back actually to him wanting to support Angelina
Speaker 1: as a friend, knowing she wasn't that good of a player.
Speaker 1: So it all goes back to a strategic miss miss step.
Speaker 1: You know that he made half with you know, half with.
Speaker 2: As President George Bush so eloquently said, strategery, strategery.
Speaker 1: Yep. So Christian decides to make this big move to
Speaker 1: vote out Mike, which he only needs, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple votes, and I love that he's like, we don't
Speaker 1: tell Ozzie because Ozzie's gunning for a white lotus cameo.
Speaker 1: I love that was so good and it's kind of true.
Speaker 1: Because does know Mike. Mike said that they hung out
Speaker 1: in La as friends, and then and Ozzie said, I
Speaker 1: want my I want to be Mike's number one. So
Speaker 1: Christian is exactly right, which I then love that Emily
Speaker 1: who just cannot keep her mouth shut.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I couldn't believe that. It's like, just
Speaker 2: don't say anything. How hard is it to just not
Speaker 2: say something? It ultimately does work in their favor, though,
Speaker 2: I mean, knowing how the episode actually ended, I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's good because Ozzie can't be really pissed at Emily anymore,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. No, but you can't ever
Speaker 2: tell her anything ever, I know, because it's like, that
Speaker 2: is not a person you want on your side. Really,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna go to she first she told about
Speaker 2: the idol and then she told about this.
Speaker 1: It's like, just keep your mouth shut. But luckily she
Speaker 1: doesn't say we're voting, Like Ozzie still thinks they're voting
Speaker 1: for Angelina, which I think if they had told I
Speaker 1: think if they had told him that they were voting
Speaker 1: for Mike, Ozzie would have run to tell Mike. And
Speaker 1: I think I think so too. So I think in
Speaker 1: her mouth. Yes, quiet, But it's interesting that you know
Speaker 1: it is. I can't wait to see what happens, because
Speaker 1: Christian trusting Emily at this point could be that nerd bomb.
Speaker 1: Exactly what Mike said. So he's asking Emily to trust him,
Speaker 1: and he's trusting Emily who's already blurted out. But she
Speaker 1: does stick to the plan. But I think maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: even by next episode, Christian could be, you know, regretting
Speaker 1: his decision to stick with Emily over almost anybody else
Speaker 1: at the same Yes, and I'm hoping again, I think
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: As they get weeded down more, I'm gonna start getting
Speaker 2: attached to certain people like on Traders, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be then. Yeah, I just want them to do a
Speaker 2: little more surviving. And I get what they mean. I
Speaker 2: get the metaphor of you're actually surviving the vote as
Speaker 2: opposed to surviving on the island.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see a little bit of this. We
Speaker 1: get to tribal council and to your point, Ozzie talks
Speaker 1: about catching eight fish, which you never saw. No, we
Speaker 1: saw him like, oh, I'm gonna go get some food,
Speaker 1: but like, dude, caught them eight fish that is insane.
Speaker 1: After pulling that boat, pushing that boat, he was like
Speaker 1: the only one in the back for a little while too, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I still don't get how you've said that. That's the
Speaker 2: guy who keeps getting voted off of every other season.
Speaker 2: It's like, how's that the dude you want to get
Speaker 2: rid of?
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of get it. But he deserves
Speaker 1: the win. When it gets to the individual immunity, he
Speaker 1: just kicks everyone's That's.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: He deserves to win. Keep him until. Yeah, it's really tricky, man,
Speaker 1: They blindside him like crazy. But yeah, he provides food
Speaker 1: for everybody.
Speaker 2: But if you want him really to survive where he says, Okay,
Speaker 2: you lost, so him taking your your flint? Okay, well
Speaker 2: everybody has fired. What they should do is they should
Speaker 2: take their fire, like you don't get fire anymore. It's
Speaker 2: not that you don't get away to start your fire,
Speaker 2: because you've already started your fire. We're extinguishing your fire
Speaker 2: and you don't get a fire until you win again.
Speaker 2: That would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, they do take their flint, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying instead of taking their flint, they
Speaker 2: take the flint. But they also extinguish whatever fire they have,
Speaker 2: and they're not allowed to have fire until they win again.
Speaker 1: That to me would be interesting.
Speaker 2: That's because it's like, I know, but when who cares
Speaker 2: taking your flint just keep the fire going? Taking their
Speaker 2: flint does nothing with the fire going. Yeah, put the
Speaker 2: fire out. You don't get fire, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But you don't get you don't get to do that.
Speaker 2: You're once the fire goes out, We're putting your fire out.
Speaker 1: You've lost. You can't have a fire again until until
Speaker 1: you win again. That would be how I would do it.
Speaker 2: Something I think they are of answer turning me into
Speaker 2: a different guy.
Speaker 1: So so Micah's is weird. This interesting line during tribal
Speaker 1: Council where he says, you know, there's some people you'd
Speaker 1: rather lose with than win with, which it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna lose with Angelina. Yeah, And he also
Speaker 1: has this great spiel where he says he's so used
Speaker 1: to selling people on his artistic projects and until it
Speaker 1: comes out, you feel like a con artist, which I'm
Speaker 1: really related to. Of course, that's any everybody in our industry,
Speaker 1: can everybody because you always have to say, like, just
Speaker 1: trust me, I have a vision, or the story's going
Speaker 1: to be there before it's written, or give me millions
Speaker 1: of dollars, or give me the part you know it's
Speaker 1: it was. It was really a well put like point.
Speaker 2: I had a meeting with somebody the other day who's
Speaker 2: at a position in his career where he literally said
Speaker 2: to me, I'm in a place now where I can
Speaker 2: say whatever I want and everybody just.
Speaker 1: Says yes to me. And I was like, Oh, what
Speaker 1: a magical place. Industry. Yeah, Oh, you got to tell
Speaker 1: me who this was. It was, I don't know it was.
Speaker 2: It was just like he's like my my, my agents,
Speaker 2: my managers, other producers, they're just there to say yes
Speaker 2: to me when I come with anyone. Oh.
Speaker 1: It's just like, wouldn't that be nice? Magical? Nice? Absolutely mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's Mike White. I mean, Mike White. Whatever,
Speaker 2: he's gonna go pitch, they're gonna do so. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's that's the idea that he's doing Survivor for fun
Speaker 2: is kind of cool, crazy, weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not pretty cool.
Speaker 2: He seems like a person I would really love having
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the industry, like not trying to
Speaker 2: pitch him anything, not trying to sell him anything. I
Speaker 2: would love to just sit down and have a meal
Speaker 2: and just talk to that guy, because he seems like
Speaker 2: it would be a super interesting convers.
Speaker 1: Super entertaining, super funny. Yeah, have you.
Speaker 2: Seen so Apparently he did a movie in two thousand
Speaker 2: that I was I was looking at that Jeff Bridges
Speaker 2: came out and said it was the best movie and
Speaker 2: the best performance in a decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know that he started with like, you know,
Speaker 1: much smaller comedies, and then you know the fact that
Speaker 1: he's ended up doing White Lotus is just bonkers. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Chuck and Buck. Yes, I've heard about this.
Speaker 2: So he plays he plays like a guy, plays a
Speaker 2: crazy guy who's like stalking his best friend.
Speaker 1: And I was reading all about it and that.
Speaker 2: It ended with a quote of Jeff Bridges saying like
Speaker 2: this is the best performance I've seen in a decade, Like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. So yeah, apparently, you know, he was
Speaker 2: great in School of Rock, which I think is the
Speaker 2: only thing I've ever seen him in as an actor.
Speaker 2: But I mean, this guy's legit talented. So it's I
Speaker 2: would love to sit down and have a conversation with.
Speaker 1: Well, he's kicked off Survivor season fifty, Bye Bye Mike
Speaker 1: and was shot. I was like, this plan works perfectly,
Speaker 1: it does it? You know, way to pull it off.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like the tribe is going
Speaker 1: to be able to come together. I mean, Angeline is
Speaker 1: clearly on the outs, right, so she's got some scrambling
Speaker 1: to do. But the fact that everybody else came together
Speaker 1: for this vote in some form or another, and I
Speaker 1: think that Ozzie's gonna be able to forgive everybody.
Speaker 2: I hope in the seasons you've seen, have you ever
Speaker 2: seen a tribe that keeps losing, keeps losing and then
Speaker 2: eventually turns it around and gets stronger or do you
Speaker 2: just is this like a slow death by a thousand
Speaker 2: paper cuts and.
Speaker 1: This is death. It's usually just death until they get
Speaker 1: down to like two people and then they just merge
Speaker 1: into the other tribe. Think. I mean, I yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to turn it around once once you've gotten
Speaker 1: this week, you know, because now you can see that
Speaker 1: they're going to have to take two people out for
Speaker 1: each challenge on the other teams in order to match
Speaker 1: this team, right, So two people get to sit out
Speaker 1: every time, and they can't sit out more than I
Speaker 1: think once in a row, maybe twice in a row.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna get interesting, man. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: only that's the only way to equalize it, is that,
Speaker 1: Like because that you saw Seri sit out, so like
Speaker 1: if she sits out again, they can't do that. So
Speaker 1: eventually you end up having to like sit out Jonathan
Speaker 1: or somebody that you really rely on. Hopefully that equalizes it.
Speaker 1: But honestly, like every season, I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: the there's demoralized, they fall apart until it gets to
Speaker 1: the individual game. But sometimes these people end up being
Speaker 1: the winners, like from the demoralize, Like Sophie was on
Speaker 1: a tribe that lost everything and got down to two
Speaker 1: people last season, and she ended up being in the
Speaker 1: final three. Oh she was okay, wow, okay. So you
Speaker 1: know that's like I think that it actually toughens you
Speaker 1: up and forces you like when you come in on
Speaker 1: the bottom of whatever tribe, you come in on whatever.
Speaker 1: A lot of times there's factions of people like that
Speaker 1: surprisingly surprisingly turn against each other, and if you're on
Speaker 1: the bottom, you get to be the deciding vote, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So you powering into an
Speaker 1: established alliance and being the one to be like it's
Speaker 1: four against four, everyone wants my vote, and then you
Speaker 1: say give me what I want, like let me and
Speaker 1: trust me, you never vote me out, and then you
Speaker 1: make it to the end because of that. So sometimes
Speaker 1: it's good to be, you know, the last person standing
Speaker 1: on a tribe.
Speaker 2: That's Yeah, there's one more thing I would add to
Speaker 2: what we'd have to train for for Survivor.
Speaker 1: We'd also need to train with giant.
Speaker 2: Puzzles, because that seems to be a very big important
Speaker 2: part of the show exactly, giant puzzle.
Speaker 1: And word puzzles, you know, like figuring out. And they've
Speaker 1: repeated a lot of like I think celebration has been before,
Speaker 1: Like they pick words that are like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, I can't spell, So I would I'd be
Speaker 1: losing all of these, right, what's calibration? What's everybody's problem?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you've been listening to pod meats tworld.
Speaker 1: No excuse me.
Speaker 2: I know that you started with another host last week,
Speaker 2: but that does not give you the right to skip
Speaker 2: over my segment, sir, which, as everybody knows, is called Where's.
Speaker 1: History of People? That's invested up in things, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't include Sophie. I'm looking at you, Sophie.
Speaker 2: Uh So, this week we are talking about Fraine Selk,
Speaker 2: who is a crue You.
Speaker 1: Made that up?
Speaker 2: That is Star Wars character, isn't it the coolestrain Tom
Speaker 2: Selleck exactly of the Council of He's Frain Selik. He's
Speaker 2: a Croatian music teacher and he became famous for sviving
Speaker 2: and astonishing seven deadly accidents. These included train and plane crashes,
Speaker 2: car explosions, and even being hit by a bus just randomly.
Speaker 1: Yes, he wasn't like ever intentionally putting himself into these minds. No,
Speaker 1: despite repeatedly flirting with disaster, Selek always emerged alive, earning
Speaker 1: in the nickname of the world's luckiest unlucky man. So
Speaker 1: this is Unbreakable. This is the plot of essentially Unbreakable,
Speaker 1: m Night Giamalan's movie essentially except better.
Speaker 2: His remarkable run of escapes had sparked both and disbelief worldwide.
Speaker 2: That is Frayne Selk. And I was going to do another,
Speaker 2: a different one, but it was another woman. And there's
Speaker 2: been a bunch of women and now so I wanted
Speaker 2: to give Frayne his due.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give Frayan his due. There you go. Like the
Speaker 1: I like the new take on surviving too that it's
Speaker 1: like multiple events. It's not just surviving in the elderness one.
Speaker 2: There's some crazy ones. There is some crazy ones. I'm
Speaker 2: glad I don't have to do the best love stories
Speaker 2: that ever happened if we did the Bachelorette, So thank god,
Speaker 2: that's not a thing. I wouldn't even know what that
Speaker 2: theme song was going to.
Speaker 1: God, what would the best love stories? That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna do, is like the big best loves Again.
Speaker 1: I have all the knowledge of the world in my head,
Speaker 1: so I can just filter through whatever I want. Even
Speaker 1: listening to Podmets twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but
Speaker 1: our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time.
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