WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5004 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.119 Welcome to Bud meets Twirld, a podcast that once chronicled 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.360 two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.200 but watched a season and walked away experts. From there, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.919 we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen, but 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.439 Will swore he could win, and now survivor season fifty, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.800 the Big One, and this time the roles of reverse. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.800 Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.360 I've watched for years. We are wilfrid L, who prefers 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.040 his wilderness with room service, and Right or Strong, who 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.760 will hike any mountain, but man, I hate the beach. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.720 Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.000 and one who would never leave the woods if he could. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:51.600 Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.280 fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.440 television history culminating in a single massive season. This is 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:03.400 Pod meets Twirled Seeking Immunity. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.520 That's a lot, well, speaking of a lot, it's been 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.360 quite a day in the reality world, hasn't it, my friend? 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.600 It's yeah, we should we should talk about the elephant. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:11.600 In the room. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.000 Yeah, it's the piece the room, the easiest way to 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.240 just say it. We were all set. We had already 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.520 announced on the uh, the twitters and the Instagrams that 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.039 we were gonna fold actually double up our reality watching 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.800 and go right into The Bachelorette, because the fans have 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.480 demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.400 or at least one of us in this case, neither 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.000 of us have ever seen a single episode of The 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:42.240 bachelorret and and yet they canceled the entire season, thank god. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.080 Yeah it was and not without you know, by the 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.760 time ABC had canceled it, we had already decided to 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.840 pull our show. Yeah, after much back and forth and 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.560 handwringing and concern and not just don't have clarity in 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:01.000 these things. Yeah, it's tricky, but it seems like in 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:06.160 general she is not a very good person, and reality 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.840 shows that celebrate not great people are not cool. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.080 No, I agree, And it's yeah again, this is a 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.480 world that you and I know very little about reality, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.359 and when you get into it, you forget that it's 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.600 these There's a reason it's called reality. Whether it's quote 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.760 unquote scripted reality or heavily produced reality. These are real people, 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.040 So real people come with lots of baggage. Some of 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.480 them it's a minimum amount of baggage, some of them 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.360 it's a kind of a disgusting amount of baggage. The 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.680 thing that is starting to come out more and more though, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.239 is what the networks actually know about these people before 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.360 they still put them on the. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.360 Air, or don't know right or don't know. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.320 But in this case, it seems like ABC knew quite 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.000 a bit about this woman before they decided to pull 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.680 the trigger on what I think is their biggest franchise 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.720 by far. I think The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.400 like their flagship show. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.280 Well, I think we've talked about the you know, the 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.440 conversation I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.640 this guy I used to I used to be friends with, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.760 telling me that like everything changed for the network when 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.400 Snooky got punched. That was the turning moment for that 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.560 was when MTV became a network that was no longer 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.359 about music because they were suddenly going to be all 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.480 about the reality and the drama. And it went like 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:24.440 so viral back to watch to no. You know, I 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.240 knew that one backwards and forwards. Yeah. The thing the 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.800 thing about this is like for me, this just and 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.600 this is something I've wrestled with, you know, even doing 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.160 these shows. I avoided all reality because I generally thought 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.119 it was a lot of garbage, you know, And and I, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.400 you know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendelker and 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.920 Chad Coltkan and they really did, you know, uh sort 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:53.160 of champion reality and explain how it's you know, uh, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.160 not just trash television, but actually it has nuance and strategies. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.240 And I've I've come around to see a lot of 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:03.600 that I really have and get. But I think fundamentally, unfortunately, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.920 there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.800 uh shodden fuer mm hmm. Oh yeah, you know, one 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.760 of those words that once you learn, you just want 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.560 to use as many times as possible. But it means, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.880 you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery. And I 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.520 think that there's an element of that that you know, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.280 a company. It's you know, watching a train wreck can 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.479 be fun. It's rubber necking, right, all the different ways 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.680 to describe. It's the feeling bad about watching something good 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.240 and not being able to turn away. And yeah, I I, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.200 you know, I think that the reality shows that I 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.640 gravitate towards are the ones that are more game show 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.120 based too, talent based for me, talent. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.200 Based American Idol, that kind of stuff. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.200 And then even like a Loan, which is about survival, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.560 you know, and it's with the stars. We had a 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.000 great time watching Gets with the Stars. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.880 Yeah, so yeah, now I get that too. But the 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.600 Snookie thing. The thing that was really interesting about the 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.159 Snooky situation was and and it showed kind of the 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.480 direction they were going. The first time they aired it, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.840 they blacked out the punch, so you saw the guy 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.000 turn to order, the screen went black, and then you 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:07.880 saw her on the ground. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.159 The next time they aired it they showed him punching 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.240 in the face. Wow. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.159 So it was it was really interesting the way they 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.880 decided to go, like, no, let's just show it, and 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.040 so they originally didn't, and then they made someone made 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.479 the decision show the actual hit, and then they showed 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:20.960 it over and over. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.560 Well see, that's kind of my problem is that I 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.560 feel like, you know, it's the frog boiling in the 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.200 water thing. It's like these little degrees of like, well, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.280 what are we going to accept as okay to like 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.800 just stand by and let people do live on television 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.039 or not even live, but we're going to edit it 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.400 and exploit it. And you know, I feel like, yeah, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.640 if you think back to the way the news used 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.840 to be, or even these early reality shows, it was 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.200 nothing compared to these days, you know. Yeah, And I think, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.760 of course everything's been accelerated by the Internet, so videos. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.640 So I was gonna say, look at social media now, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.080 I mean, so much silence and flat out watch murder. 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.800 I mean, it's just it's really sad, and maybe we 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.640 are getting to a point of yeah, let's just go 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.440 back to audiators. You know, it's going back to people 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.320 trying in the ring and it's running man, and they 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:04.800 would be. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.440 So that you have produced UFC is is kind of that, right, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.400 I mean that I remember when UFC. I know, I 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.320 know you're a fan, but I remember when it first 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.280 came out feeling a little I mean, I can't watch 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.400 it like I can't, right, I can't even really watch 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.360 regular boxing. I find violence really hard to watch, and 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.920 I find it, you know, so aboring to experience. I've 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.760 gotten more used to boxing, but I like it better 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.680 in a fictional context. I like it in a movie 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.800 I like it. When I'm watching a real fight, I'm 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.159 usually just like, oh, I look away, and UFC I 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.360 can't watch because for that reason, it's like it's just throw. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.120 The UFC especially was before there were any rules when 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:36.839 I mean, I started watching at UFC one, and it 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.719 was brutal because there were no rules, and it was 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.400 just the whole idea was, let's see what happens if 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.159 you put a boxer against the wrestler. What happens if 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.240 you put a mix you know, somebody who does kung 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.159 fu against somebody who does you know? 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.480 So it was that, but it was way too brutal. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.000 Then the Fritigas bought it, and Dana White came in 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.159 added actual rules, and then now it's to the point 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.000 where the people train their whole lives in MMA, and 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.480 it's two people that it becomes like a game of 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.280 chess when you two people that are really good at it. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.920 Right, because they're both doing Brazilian jiu jitsu correct and it's. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.440 Both straight up MMA. It's striking, its grappling, it's all 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.000 that kind of stuff. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.320 So I've always watching somebody like, punch somebody else in 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.520 the face repeatedly is really hard. Agreed, I get it, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.560 but you know, at the same time, it's like, and 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.720 I this is where the algorithm of the Internet is 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.840 just so crazy. Like I definitely have gone through periods 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.480 where I'm flipping through my Instagram and I realized, like 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.840 I've gotten a lot of like drunk guy getting kicked 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.360 off a plane for being racist videos. I'm like, for 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.600 whatever reason, I lingered too long on two of these, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.880 and now it's just he didn't be the same thing. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.480 You know. It's like I remember when when Reels first 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.520 came out, you could click a button and see like 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.320 you're recommended reels. Oh oh God. And and Indie and 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.480 Alex and I were in New York. Actually, she was 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.680 making her movie in New York and we discovered this 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.280 and and Alex was clicking on her. She's like, oh, 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.320 my reels are like really nice hotel rooms, like beautiful 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.800 hotel rooms like Zillow porn, and then people jumping off 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.560 of high places. That's what I just kept recommend you 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.120 like guys and girls. Just like you know, it was 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.360 always the same song of like you know somebody, I 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.520 forget what the song was, but I believe I can fly. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.200 Probably it'll come to me anyway, she gives me. We 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.160 were Unfortunately Indy was there to see this. They're like, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.680 what's your Instagram reels? Just women bouncing? I'm like, what 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.360 have I done that? It's just literally women being like hey, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.200 and I'm like what what? I don't know. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.760 I would probably be food and random people punch in 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.600 the face, which is they've thrown on my They've thrown 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.400 it now on my thing where it's just like, hey, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.040 I'm on the bus and somebody punches me in the face. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:36.400 That's it. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.840 So yeah, it's it's strange. I do have a bit 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.320 of a bone to pick with you, though, if I'm honest. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.520 As we're talking about elephants in the room. Uh oh, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.280 I noticed she had a new partner last week. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.800 Yeah, I'm hoping that she will come back to Yeah 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:49.640 that's what I figured. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.559 Maybey really make this a good show? Seem like seemed 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.160 like you guys were pretty comforted. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.040 What will she knew things about Survivor? So it was 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.000 I know things about Survivor. I think you were magical 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.760 rewinding somewhere. No, I was. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.319 It was my mom's eighty fifth birthday. I was back 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.600 in Connecticut, so yeah, I was travel that one past. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.360 Yeah, you better. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.160 There's something else I'd like to bring up, which I 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:11.280 think is pretty important as well. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.920 Are you ready? Yeah? Are you sure you're ready? Yeah? 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.840 You got the pants. I got the pants. My friend, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.160 I've had so many messages from people who's not on 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.000 social media. Get him the pants. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.600 I got him. I am wearing my Survivor pants as wee. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.880 Now, you just got to get Jonathan's body. Yeah, I'm 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.120 good luck with steroids. Ye, he's a giant. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.560 It's like, seriously, there's fables written stories, fables written about that, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:42.920 like a he Man figure. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.640 Yes, like he looks exactly like the he Man figures. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.840 He does, he does. He's like he's man at arms, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.360 like his head. She's been around. And because they all 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.719 had the same body back in the day the he 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.560 Made figures and they weren't like body like bodybuilders have 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.120 gotten even crazier. But he Man was just like those 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.760 perfect alpha body That's exactly what he is. Every time. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.040 Well Jesus Christ, look at that guy. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.000 Yes, seriously he is, and and all of his clothes 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.400 look like they're made by fishermen in a small village. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.320 And so I was able to find the pants and 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.280 this is the this is this is the new the 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.880 new Trader's cloak I have got. I will say they're 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.040 comfortable as hell. These things are amazing. So this and 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.160 a pair of crocs. I'm a happy survivor guy. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.640 All right. So I'm assuming you watched episode three. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.240 I watched all of I'm completely caught up. Still don't 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.040 get it completely, so I don't know if. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.120 You listen to me and Sophie. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.560 But we had a really it was it was painful 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.240 and it hurt, and I don't want to. I don't 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:42.160 want to know anything about it. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.400 I know she said shouldn't eat for like eleven days, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.920 eleven days no eating. Funny because that I had some 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.120 questions that we had brought up ahead of time, or 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.640 that we'd already talked about that I was able to 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.640 ask her. Uh, I can't remember any of them, so 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.720 I want to. But then I have questions that came 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.240 up to me, like while we were doing you should 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.400 listen to it, you should listen. I don't want to, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.000 but I would say I will say that the one 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.000 thing I definitely want to talk to you about is 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.199 finally we have seen a chink in Jeff Probe's armor, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.480 which is his rapping ability. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:17.400 He doesn't, as the kids would say, necessarily have the flow, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.079 but it's. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:25.320 The equivalent of me. Between last week's Jeff rapping and 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.920 now a country singer who I've never heard of had 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.360 of our episode there, I was like, I don't know 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.319 what's I mean? No, the country music I never heard of? Sorry, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.280 everybody I had neither. I have like pop culturally disabled. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.120 Me to knew who he was. You obviously knew exactly 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.199 culturally disabled. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.079 But I very specifically really don't know anything about hip 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.120 hop or country music. They're just two. I know more 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.040 about hip hop than I do country music. Yeah, but 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.840 I know nothing. So yeah, so this week, yeah, so 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.000 between the last two weeks musically, I feel very out 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.440 of touch. But I feel like Jeff really shouldn't have 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.840 should should have. Sophie was like, I think he might 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:01.400 have reckoned. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.440 You might have suggested, oh god, yeah no, so yeah 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:05.960 what rhymes with don't wrap anymore? 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.320 Jeff, Bob? What I would? I would kick this aflow? 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.440 Uh yeah, I'm gonna be totally honestly too. I still 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.720 can't get into it. I just with the show, the show. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.360 I don't get it. Are you kidding me? No? I 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.360 thought this was because I thought this was one of 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:22.280 the best episodes. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.160 It's it's this is literally just a bunch of people 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.679 sitting around all episode talking about who they're going to 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:30.120 vote off. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.520 That's the whole show. And then occasionally they go out 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.280 and well, yeah, then they could. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.199 Then they go out and they do a weird physical challenge, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.360 and then they sit back in again in the woods 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:39.720 and talk about who they're going to kick off. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:41.720 That's it. It's a big brother just in It's just 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.439 Big Brother just in the woods. That's how is it 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:45.240 different than Traders? 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.800 Because Traders is like there's a pageantry to Traders, and 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.640 it's there's the you know, this ridiculous kind of characters 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.000 and the big costumes and all stuff. This is literally 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.160 just people sitting around going. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.520 Hey, should we vote out this person? No, we should 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.160 vote out that person? Well what about this? Well I 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.160 want I don't want to be with them. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:00.599 I can't believe they said are going to vote me 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.320 out and I'm just like they are spearfishing. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:05.680 But that's okay. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.040 Show me that the idea that she said, I haven't 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.600 eaten in eleven days, Show me that you guys can't 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:12.120 get food. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.200 Show me all that we talked about this day one, Yeah, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.440 could not be more. I think these episodes should be 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.400 more about like the surviving, right, or even this silliness 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:23.880 like when they did the Talent Show. I was like, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.400 I want to see more of that, you know, like, yes, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.400 that's yes, Like I want the like what's it like 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.880 to be bored? You know? Yehen days in and all 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.240 you have is yeah. But I agree, they get into 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.040 the strategy, they get it, and partly, you know, I 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.079 think maybe as the show goes on, because there'll be 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.280 less characters, you might get a little more into it, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.800 like right, because you get more attached to people. Right now, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.320 it really is a little hard to be like, wait, Stephanie. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.199 Right, and I'm learning them people's names. When they're kicked off, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.160 I'm like, oh that was cute. I know, that's like, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.800 that's that's how I And I'm thinking about you as 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.120 I'm watching this because what you said about Traders, where 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.400 you were like, I kind of wish I started with 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.599 just regular people. I wish I started Survivor on a 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.800 season where it's not already about interpersonal relationships that come 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.360 from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:12.839 I agree. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.200 I know people are watching this, people that are big. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.760 It seems like this season of Survivor is made for 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.080 people who watch Survivor. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.160 Absolutely absolutely, it's like a culmination of all the years. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.200 But yeah, I agree, like we kind of screwed ourselves 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.840 with Trators and Survivor. They're both meta, you know, they're 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.800 both like in these sort of meta season moments. And 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.880 I agree, I don't. I don't love it. I mean, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.920 I like this one because I have my favorite people 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.200 that I like watching, and you know, but that's that's 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.480 my thing. Like I agree, man, like that. I think 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.760 the joy of Survivor has has just adjusted and it's 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.840 interesting to think about how that's happening overall culturally, do 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.280 you know what I mean? Like even our politicians are 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.360 usually people we've already seen before, right, Yeah, it's like 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.880 we're in this echo chamber of like, yeah, you know, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.760 we only nominate or want to see people that have 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.160 already done other things before. It's a weird, like repetitive moment. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.240 Look at what we do for a living. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.200 We're going back and watching our show from thirty years 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.480 ago because there's a comfortability to yes, something we already 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.280 know and as somebody deals with anxiety. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.040 There's a reason I. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.320 Watch mash every night when I'm going to better people 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.480 who are anxious people watch the same things over and 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.800 over because it's no surprises, you know what to expect 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:26.600 go in with that. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.280 So I was, yes, I was. I was interviewed about 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.920 my other podcast, The Red Weather. Please go Red Wether 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.520 to it now if anybody's interested, I'm I was being 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.400 interviewed about it by this cultural critic who goes by 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.960 pop smart media, doctor Shannon. She's amazing, and she she 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.160 brought up the fact that during times of like extreme conflict, 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.440 historically people go to fantasy or nostalgia. And it's so true. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.520 It's like fantasy or nostalgia, it's like scrapism or what 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.520 we already know and feel comfortable with. And I think 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.800 that I think that we are definitely in that moment 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.760 kind of overall for maybe the last like ten fifteen years, culturally, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.960 we're just seemed to be going further and further, Like 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.040 you don't see much new stuff, you know. That's why 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.920 I love to see like a movie like Sinners, which 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.920 you know, take or leave it. What's great is it's 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.480 a regional yeah, you know, like, I just the chance 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.920 that a studio will give a director an original movie, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.120 and especially a new director that isn't somebody from the 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.560 nineties like Paul Thomas Anderson, right, I love, but like 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.720 a new director, like what was the last time we 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.440 saw it? All Right, we're goetting off on a tangent. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:32.560 Let's by the way. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.800 You just you just but you just put a new 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.400 word in my head because you know that I'm writing 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.800 a book and it's it's nostalgia and fantasy. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:39.280 I love. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.400 It's got to be called Fanstalgiaanstalgia. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.520 Fanstalgia's brilliant. I don't know. That really sounds like a 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.880 disease that you get cured by Garbain saltwater. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.800 If you have had nostalgia. But it's the baking powder 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.520 on it. And first of all, baking powder does everything. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.760 I don't like that little that fake little product that 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:00.440 does everything. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.840 How about no, no antasy, No, see it doesn't work. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:21.200 We'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. Let's do Survivor. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.120 Let's do Survivor. Episode four Q has been voted out. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.760 Stephanie is very sad about it. Stephanie was like an 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.080 e in the wrong place. For some reason without his 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.600 ah really throws me like you should be Christian or something. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.560 I just don't want to say it. Agreed, are these 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.560 are the important observation? So you can only get here people, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.880 This is what you come to pods world, no idea, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.280 what the shoe's about. Let's go your news. So lamely 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.800 said right or strong shut? Okay, riders strong and will 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.040 not our hy d e r. He's gotta make it 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.480 harder for everybody. I love it, all right. So what 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.639 was interesting about this moment coming back to camp is 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.679 how because you know, there's always like they have to 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.280 face who they blindsided, because usually there's one person or 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.160 two people who didn't know it the way the vote 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.840 was going to go. So there's always this moment. And 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.240 I thought, it's so interesting that Ozzy like immediately becomes 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.000 like coach, like I mean, like the character, but like 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.000 a camp counselor like talking to everybody and like, okay, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.960 so we had to do that and he kind of 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.160 made which is like such a bad move. He has 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.239 that charisma, but like, dude, don't take credit for this, 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.399 Like I agree, you know he does. He does this 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.000 kind of stuff all the time. You're like you're being 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.240 a good guy, but you're actually putting yourself in a 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.280 vulnerable position, like he should have just let somebody else 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.359