WEBVTT - Been There, Dean That: Picture Perfect

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to episode five. I've been there,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean that.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you guys enjoyed the last episode. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been considering having guests on the podcast that I've traveled with,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's quite a few.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I've done quite a few alone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably like fifty to fifty fifty percent friends or

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<v Speaker 2>family fifty percent solo. And even before having hand on

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<v Speaker 2>last week, I had been reaching out to some friends,

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<v Speaker 2>like my friends that I went to India with, or

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<v Speaker 2>my brother who I've done a lot of cool trips with,

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<v Speaker 2>or some of my other travel friends, whatever you might have,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're all down. So hopefully you guys like that

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<v Speaker 2>format of having them on and sharing their experiences and

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<v Speaker 2>their tips and tricks, because I do feel like if

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<v Speaker 2>it's just me every single week, it'll get a little

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<v Speaker 2>stale after a while. So I'm gonna sprinkle those in

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<v Speaker 2>every once in a while and keep it going. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you really don't like it. But if you really

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it, just keep it to yourself, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep doing it anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>No it don't keep it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You can comment on Instagram and maybe let me know

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<v Speaker 2>what you like what you don't like, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So this week I want to talk about not traveling

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<v Speaker 2>per se, but I wanted to get into photography a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit and talk about my journey with photography because

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<v Speaker 2>while I don't necessarily think I'm a good photographer, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something I really enjoy and it's something my lovely wife

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<v Speaker 2>always compliments me on. So I figured I would share

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<v Speaker 2>my journey from start to current and maybe discuss a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about where I want to go with it too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so interesting because the age of social media

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<v Speaker 2>has changed things so much. There are there's such an

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<v Speaker 2>overload of incredible photographers, video makers, content creators that do

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<v Speaker 2>things that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Could only dream of doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, I might look like a talented photographer to someone,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm the least talented photographer of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>that I follow.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that kind of just goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>like an inferiority complex that I always feel, where I

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<v Speaker 2>just never feel like I'm gonna be good enough. But

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<v Speaker 2>here we are, we're trying to figure out as we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Photography is something I really enjoy. It's something I got

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<v Speaker 2>into specifically because I knew that I wanted to travel

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, and I wanted to be able to take

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<v Speaker 2>good quality photos or videos or whatever it might be

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<v Speaker 2>on a trip to a place that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I was going to want to take a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of photos, like Machu Pichu, for instance, And.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I started. I took a long.

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<v Speaker 2>Time for me to even learn how to work at camera,

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<v Speaker 2>but I bought my first camera on my way down,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, right before I left for Patagoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go back to episode two and listen to that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the trip that I took my first camera on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a thirty five hundred I.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that because I bought it from Best Buy in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. It was maybe like four hundred dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>the camera body and the lens, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna be good enough for me forever. But on

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<v Speaker 2>the trip down there, on the flight, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>learning how to use a camera via YouTube videos, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so bad at learning that way, Like there is

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<v Speaker 2>just so much information. It's like trying to learn Spanish

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<v Speaker 2>or French or Mandarin from zero and then diving into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they instantly start speaking that language that you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to learn. Because it just everything was going way over

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<v Speaker 2>my head. I had no idea what they were talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think on that trip I just ended up

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<v Speaker 2>shooting an auto the entire time. Anyways, But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was a D thirty five hundred and I just used

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<v Speaker 2>the kit lens, which we'll get to it later about

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<v Speaker 2>how I if I could go back, I would encourage

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<v Speaker 2>people to start differently than that. But I watched a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of YouTube videos got to Patagonia, and I'm so stubborn.

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<v Speaker 2>All I wanted to do was shoot manual mode because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what my photographer friends said I should be doing eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was like, oh, I'll just do this now,

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<v Speaker 2>be bad at it for a few days, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll figure it out and be good at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just wasn't. I was really, really, really bad

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<v Speaker 1>at it for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think even on that entire trip, I probably used

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<v Speaker 2>my camera I don't know, a dozen times over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of two or three weeks. So I think all

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<v Speaker 2>of this stuff that I, you know, ended up posting

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<v Speaker 2>online or pictures that I showed my friends or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it was were just taking on my on my iPhone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was really discouraged from that trip because, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I wanted to pick it up and be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good at it right away, and it's just I

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<v Speaker 2>mean people. I'm sure people can do it and have

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<v Speaker 2>done it before, but I was not one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I use that D thirty five hundred for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I eventually reached out to my photographer friend

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, Hey, do you have any advice for

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<v Speaker 2>me on what I could do? He said, get a

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<v Speaker 2>prime lens. So I jumped online and tried to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what a prime lens was really quick and for

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<v Speaker 2>the and I'm going to try to explain some of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, but I'm probably gonna be wrong on most

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<v Speaker 2>of it, or you know, not entirely right on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it. Prime lens is just a fixed focal length,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think he told me to get a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>millimeter the nifty.

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<v Speaker 1>To fifty they call it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a fixed focal length of fifty millimeters, and

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of it is the aperture can can open

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot more so the aperture on a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>on this specific fifty Milli lens was one point eight,

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<v Speaker 2>which is typically what you'll find with these prime lens

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<v Speaker 2>is the one point eight is really good aperture at

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good price usually. And the nice thing about

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<v Speaker 2>having that lower aperture or higher apperture, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>never really understand what to how to refer to it,

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<v Speaker 2>but lower apperture just because the number is lower is

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm going to refer to it here. The nice

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<v Speaker 2>thing about that lower aperture is it gives you a

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<v Speaker 2>lot better boca and boca for those that might not

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<v Speaker 2>know what that is, is kind of like that background blur.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're taking a photo of your subject, they're

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly in focus, it looks all beautiful, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>boka is how much the background blurs behind them. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's a better explanation as to what boka

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<v Speaker 2>is and how it applies to photography and all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's my understanding of it. It's essentially the background blur.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of reduces the plane that is focused within

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<v Speaker 2>the focus area, and it just even just getting that

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<v Speaker 2>camera and I don't even think I was shooting on

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<v Speaker 2>manual at this point yet or I'm sorry even on

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<v Speaker 2>getting that lens having not even been shooting on manual.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can maybe set to like aperture priority mode,

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<v Speaker 2>you can keep the aperture at one point eight or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you choose to keep it at one point, it's

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<v Speaker 2>wide open, so it gives you the best boka. It

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<v Speaker 2>instantly makes your photography just look better in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>like more professional but obviously not professional, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>looks better when you have these kit lenses. I am

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<v Speaker 2>so anti kit lens. Whenever anyone asks me, now that

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<v Speaker 2>I have maybe a more general, better understanding of photography,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, if you're gonna buy a camera, just buy

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<v Speaker 2>the body and then buy your lens separate, because every

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<v Speaker 2>kit lens more or less for a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>cameras are going to be rubbish. It'll be like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, thirty to eighty millimeter and that's not right,

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<v Speaker 2>but something like that like F four and a half

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<v Speaker 2>to F six, and so with the aperture so high,

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<v Speaker 2>you get basically noboka, and it just it's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>get discouraged when you're taking when you're investing money into

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<v Speaker 2>a product like that in order to up your photography game,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's not yielding the results that you want

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<v Speaker 2>it to like if you use great photographers could use

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<v Speaker 2>a kit lens and get in fantastic photographs. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the normal person like me, you spend all this money,

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<v Speaker 2>buy a camera, buy a kit, get the kit lens

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<v Speaker 2>with it, start using it, and then you start looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the pictures and they look just as normal as

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<v Speaker 2>your iPhone pictures. And in my case, it just discouraged

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<v Speaker 2>me because in my head, I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>just spent four hundred dollars on this camera. Don't don't

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<v Speaker 2>really notice much of a difference between this and my iPhone?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I keep using this camera when my iPhone

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<v Speaker 2>takes just as good as photos as much smaller, and

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<v Speaker 2>I already have it with me no matter what. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So I had that D thirty five hundred for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>What I ended up doing, what really made me go

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<v Speaker 2>from very beginner, very new bish to at least semi adequate,

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<v Speaker 2>was I would go on trips with my friends who

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<v Speaker 2>are photographers or no photography well enough to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to explain things to me a little bit better. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I went on a trip to I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was Japan, was maybe the first trip that I went

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<v Speaker 2>on with one of my buddies, Elliott, went on a

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<v Speaker 2>trip with him. He's a talented photographer. He and I

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<v Speaker 2>spent two weeks together just driving through Japan taking pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>We were working for like A and A Airlines at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, so I was like, come with me, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>pay for everything, just kind of like help me get

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<v Speaker 2>shots and teach me photography along the way. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like helping me understand the book, the apperture,

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<v Speaker 2>the shutter speed, all that kind of stuff that at

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<v Speaker 2>first I was so completely perplexed by. I had no

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<v Speaker 2>actual understanding of what any of that stuff was. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I generally consider myself a pretty smart guy, but learning

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<v Speaker 2>a new skill in your late twenties is it can

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<v Speaker 2>be challenging. So he was doing his best to explain

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<v Speaker 2>it to me like I was five years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of when.

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<v Speaker 1>It started to click for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went on a trip to Egypt with

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<v Speaker 2>my with my friend Elliott different Elliott though separate. Elliott,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is a He's so talented. He is big

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<v Speaker 2>on social media, travels all these amusing places and take

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most beautiful photographs I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>In my entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember we were standing behind like this iron window

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<v Speaker 2>and we were trying to shoot through it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had my little fifty millimeter on my D thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred crop sensor camera and he had this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>standard twenty four to seventy f two point eight lens

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<v Speaker 2>on his nice full frame Sony A seven whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, why does your picture look so

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<v Speaker 2>much different than mine? He goes, Oh, I'm shooting at

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<v Speaker 2>a different focal length than you are, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Different focal length?

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<v Speaker 2>And then so then on that trip, we spent about

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<v Speaker 2>a week together there, and he was explaining everything else

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<v Speaker 2>to me in terms of not everything else, but just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of driving home a lot of the information that

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<v Speaker 2>the other Elliott had taught me in Japan not too

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<v Speaker 2>long before that, And that's really how I started to

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. Those YouTube videos are tough. It was hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me to get like a baseline understanding of cameras

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<v Speaker 2>and lenses and shutter speed and aperture and ISO and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff until I was able to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>my friends and kind of see them use it in

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<v Speaker 2>the field. So if you are interested in getting into photography,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely see if you can take that route and like

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<v Speaker 2>learn from someone rather than learn from the internet. I

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<v Speaker 2>use YouTube for everything and anything from anything within home

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<v Speaker 2>repair to DIY stuff to basic car stuff that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to work on without having to take it to

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<v Speaker 2>the mechanic or certain travel tips too.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to me, be like a drone or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to photography at least I needed

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<v Speaker 2>to learn a little more hands on. So then I

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<v Speaker 2>upgraded maybe a few months. I probably had that D

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five hundred for like two years, and Kaylin and

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<v Speaker 2>I started dating, and we were going to Hawaii for

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<v Speaker 2>my friend's wedding, and I decided to upgrade my body

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<v Speaker 2>from a D thirty five hundred to a D fifty

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred for no other reason than I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>number was bigger, so the camera had to have been better,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be honest, it was. It was a significantly

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<v Speaker 2>better body, but not a huge jump up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a slight jump up.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I did with my old one was I

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to Kaylan and I said, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if photography is something you're interested in, here's this camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to you know, have some fun with it and

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens. And so for the longest time she

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<v Speaker 2>was shooting on that D thirty five hundred, I was

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<v Speaker 2>shooting on my D fifty three hundred. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>my lenses because I kept most of my SLR lenses

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so funny to look at the collection between

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<v Speaker 2>my old ones and my current ones, because I had

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<v Speaker 2>a few primes. I had like a one hundred and

0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.680
<v Speaker 2>five millimeter prime, that fifty millimeter prime, the thirty five

0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.520
<v Speaker 2>millimeter prime, which I ended up liking the most, and

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<v Speaker 2>then like a fourteen to twenty four you know, four

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<v Speaker 2>point five sigmal lens that I got for super cheap too.

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<v Speaker 2>This was back before I wanted to really invest any

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<v Speaker 2>money into it, because I wanted to make sure it

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<v Speaker 2>was something that I enjoyed enough to sink a little

0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.320
<v Speaker 2>bit of money into it. So we shut on those

0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.199
<v Speaker 2>two cameras for a while, and Kaylin is like, she's

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<v Speaker 2>so talented and so creative, but she was still learning

0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the basics of the camera as well, so she was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like leaning on me to teach her things.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of funny because I was always kind

0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of like one lesson ahead of her, So if she

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<v Speaker 2>asked me about something, even if I had just learned

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<v Speaker 2>it like a week prior, I could at least share

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<v Speaker 2>that information with her. I do think she's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>surpassed me now in her skill set and her ability,

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<v Speaker 2>although there are certain things where maybe we like ask

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<v Speaker 2>each other questions, and I guess I kind of understand

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<v Speaker 2>the whole technical aspect of the cameras a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got super lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened was I wrote a blog post on my blog,

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<v Speaker 2>Danebabies dot com about how much I loved my Nikon

0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.120
<v Speaker 2>D fifty three hundred, what lenses I use the most,

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<v Speaker 2>how I got into photography, what I like about photography,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that didn't even like reach out to Nikon, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask for anything from them. They somehow got a hold

0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of it and that little blog post it didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us, but enough they reached out and

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, hey, we saw your blog post. We

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<v Speaker 2>love that you're a Nikon user. Would you like us

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<v Speaker 2>to send you a mirrorless camera? Because they Nikon kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came late to the game with mirrorless versus like

0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Sony or Canon. The Sony was kind of the pioneer

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<v Speaker 2>and the mirrorless camera world, and Nikon obviously knew that

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<v Speaker 2>it could compete, so it started making some marless cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>This is probably like four years ago, maybe a little

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<v Speaker 2>more for yeah, I know, four years ago sounds about right.

0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.720
<v Speaker 2>So they reached out and they said, hey, we're coming

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<v Speaker 2>out with this nice new mirrorless line, the Z six

0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.240
<v Speaker 2>and Z seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want one of them?

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<v Speaker 2>And I or in the Z fifth and so I

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<v Speaker 2>said yes, absolutely, I would love that. They sent me

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<v Speaker 2>a Z seven. They actually offered to send me the

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<v Speaker 2>Z six and I said, again foolishly thinking since it

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<v Speaker 2>was a higher number, the seven would be a better camera,

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<v Speaker 2>and it probably is. I think the sensor is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit bigger, more megapixels, but the Z six is

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a better option for me at the time.

0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And they also sent Kaln to Z fifty. So we

0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.480
<v Speaker 2>both got these nice, fancied new mirrorless cameras from Nikon

0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.480
<v Speaker 2>free of charge, just because we started kind of promoting

0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>it and telling people that's what we were using. As

0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.680
<v Speaker 2>we got better, people started asking us questions about like

0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.400
<v Speaker 2>which camera brand we use, So I guess it was

0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of like they're a marketing a marketing angle from them.

0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:42.520
<v Speaker 1>So she got a Z fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a Z seven, and it was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I had used the what's probably widely considered

0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the flagship lens in most cameras is the twenty four

0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 2>to seventy f two point eight. It covers a great range.

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.080
<v Speaker 2>You can go wide angle at twenty four and you

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.840
<v Speaker 2>can get real close with the seventy millimeter full push

0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.200
<v Speaker 2>on zoom and two point eight. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>as good as like a prime one point eight, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still. In order for it to be a one

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<v Speaker 2>point in all the way through, I think the lens would

0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.360
<v Speaker 2>have to be massive. I don't even know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility, But so you lose a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the bookuet, but you get a lot of a lot

0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.000
<v Speaker 2>more range with it. You know, you can take one

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<v Speaker 2>lens with you on a backpacking trip and get everything

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<v Speaker 2>from the whole landscape to tight shots of your friends

0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.880
<v Speaker 2>hiking or whatever it is. So they send us those cameras,

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<v Speaker 2>we start using them for a long time. After a while,

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<v Speaker 2>I forget exactly how it happened, but I think I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like pestering nikon, Hey, I love you guys

0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.520
<v Speaker 2>so much. The Z seven is great. I just see

0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you release the Z seven two. Would you guys mind

0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.800
<v Speaker 2>sending me one of those? And I think after like

0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.320
<v Speaker 2>enough pestering, they eventually were like, fine, fine, let's get

0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.560
<v Speaker 2>this guy off or back. We'll send them a Z

0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.880
<v Speaker 2>seven two. So they sent me the Z seven two.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave Kaylin my Z seven and so then we

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<v Speaker 2>What was nice about that too, is the Z fifty

0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.400
<v Speaker 2>is a crop sensor. Z seven is a full frame sensor,

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't make that big of a difference. Honestly, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're just a hobbyist shooter kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like I am, it doesn't really make that big of

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<v Speaker 2>a difference. A crop sensor pushes in the focal length

0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.080
<v Speaker 2>one and a half time, So if you have a

0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.320
<v Speaker 2>fifty millimeter prime on a full frame it's really seventy

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.800
<v Speaker 2>five millimeters on a crop sensor camera.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get a wider shot, just get

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<v Speaker 2>a wider lens, shorter focal length or shorter, yeah, shorter

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<v Speaker 2>focal length. So then we were for the longest time

0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.440
<v Speaker 2>shooting the Z seven and Z seven two and those

0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:25.240
<v Speaker 2>were great cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>We beat them up.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a blast. I just recently actually have been

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<v Speaker 2>dying to get this Nikon Z nine, which is like

0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 2>they're it's so it's so annoying with electronics because new

0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.320
<v Speaker 2>electronics become obsolete in two years, you know. They're everything

0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.640
<v Speaker 2>advances so fast and moves so quickly. They kept updating

0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.120
<v Speaker 2>the software on the kind of like the first rollout

0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of their mirrorless cameras, but it got to this point

0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.840
<v Speaker 2>where the hardware wasn't strong enough to support the software

0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that they were coming out with. And so with the

0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.520
<v Speaker 2>release of the Z nine and Kalen who just recently

0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.720
<v Speaker 2>got a zf, it just it kind of changed a

0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of things in like the terms of auto focus

0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and video recording, and the Z nine I got I

0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.239
<v Speaker 2>want to say I got that in like November, just

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<v Speaker 2>before our trip to Tanzania. We went on this trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Tanzania with that geo, and it's something I've always wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>The Z nine.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so expensive. It was like six thousand dollars

0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.800
<v Speaker 2>just for the body, going from a four hundred dollars

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.800
<v Speaker 2>camera six years ago in the D thirty five hundred

0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to a six thousand dollars camera.

0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Now it was tough. It was a tough pill to swallow.

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to sell my Z seven two and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of other lenses and things like that that

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.399
<v Speaker 2>I had bought throughout the years to eat into a

0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.280
<v Speaker 2>fair amount of that price tag. But I'm really glad

0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I did, because when we went to Tanzania, I felt

0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>like I had the best equipment available to me to

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.520
<v Speaker 2>get the shots that I wanted to get, and especially

0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:52.919
<v Speaker 2>being there with that GEO, like, I wanted to make

0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.720
<v Speaker 2>sure I was able and capable to do the things

0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that they wanted me to do.

0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.359
<v Speaker 1>But that's where we're at. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a Z nine, Kalen's got a ZF. I

0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.480
<v Speaker 2>also have a ZFC, which is like the crop sensor

0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.919
<v Speaker 2>version of the ZF. It's not quite as nice, but

0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.920
<v Speaker 2>it's significantly cheap. It was not significant, like half the price.

0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 2>But it's so interesting because now I know so much

0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:18.160
<v Speaker 2>more about the components of a camera, how to how

0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to like light a picture when it comes to shutter speed,

0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.240
<v Speaker 2>iso aperture and all that stuff. But there's still so

0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>much I don't know, and so now I feel like

0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of reached a point where I've plateaued where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily feel like I have to learn more

0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.760
<v Speaker 2>because I know the basics well enough. But I'm always

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna be this like middling photographer because of that, because

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't have like this unsatiable urge to learn the

0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.800
<v Speaker 2>next thing, whatever it might be. But I still do

0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.560
<v Speaker 2>travel with my friends who are a photographers, sometimes not as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I used to, and not as much, not

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<v Speaker 2>as like deliberately as I used to. I guess where

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go on these trips just so I

0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.639
<v Speaker 2>could learn from them. Now it's like, let's go on

0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the trip as equals, I guess, rather than like me

0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 2>asking you a million questions. I still do ask a

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of questions. I think asking questions is the number

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 2>one best thing anyone can do for themselves whenever they're

0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to learn a new skill. But it's gotten to

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the point now where I just like to travel and

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 2>fail and learn from my own failures and see what

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:29.720
<v Speaker 2>works and what doesn't work. That's kind of my quick

0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand foot view of my camera journey. I do

0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 2>want to whenever anyone reaches out to me. I love

0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.680
<v Speaker 2>nicon so much. I suggest getting like an entry level

0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.760
<v Speaker 2>mirrorless camera. The nice thing about mirrorless two is the viewfinder.

0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.399
<v Speaker 2>The electronic viewfinder on the mirrorless camera shows you an

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:50.879
<v Speaker 2>image of what the picture is going to look like

0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.760
<v Speaker 2>before before you even take it, whereas the old DSLRs

0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:57.679
<v Speaker 2>you're just looking through a.

0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Piece of glass.

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Send it a mirror that projects out through the lens,

0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.159
<v Speaker 2>and so it's not electronic, which is a lot of

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 2>people do like it. It's it's good because it more natural,

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 2>more organic, I guess. But you don't see the picture

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.520
<v Speaker 2>before you take it. You you have the frame of

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the picture, but you don't know how it's going to

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 2>be lit, because you know, you change the shutter speed

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and aperture on your mirror list and it changes it

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to you on the display, so you know exactly what

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.119
<v Speaker 2>it's going to look like, whereas you probably have to

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 2>take a couple of test shots with the DSLR see

0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.840
<v Speaker 2>what it's going to look like and then kind of

0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.920
<v Speaker 2>go from there. Well, I'm talking so fast and running

0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>myself out of breath here, So I do recommend always

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.199
<v Speaker 2>two people to get a mirrorless camera to start. I

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:45.920
<v Speaker 2>think I think like the most inexpensive Nikon mirrorless cameras are,

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, somewhere in the five hundred to eight hundred

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.720
<v Speaker 2>dollars range, which is kind of close to where I started.

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, don't get the kit lens. I always

0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 2>advise people just buy a body, get a thirty five

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>millimeter or fifty millimeter f one point eight lens. Learn

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.639
<v Speaker 2>how to frame photos with your feet rather than with

0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the zoom ring. I think that's a big thing too.

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I look back an old picture sometime, like when I

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:08.680
<v Speaker 2>went to China, and I'm like, these pictures are so

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 2>much better than the pictures I take now.

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I wonder why, and.

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it really is because I was using solely

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 2>prime lenses back then, and so I'd have to get

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.480
<v Speaker 2>more creative with the shots. I'd have to move myself

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>around instead of zooming in or zooming out, whereas now

0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 2>with all these you know, I've got a fourteen twenty four,

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seventy seventy two hundred and then one

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 2>eighty six hundred, so I could literally stand in one

0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.160
<v Speaker 2>spot and get a million different angles of the same picture,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas before you have to like really try to learn

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<v Speaker 2>and focus and teach yourself how to frame a picture

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<v Speaker 2>and what to do when you're kind of restricted by

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<v Speaker 2>the focal length of your lens. So do that Get

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<v Speaker 2>an entry level camera body, get a thirty five millimeter

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<v Speaker 2>one point eight lens. I bet you could probably get

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<v Speaker 2>both those things for less than a thousand dollars. Sony's

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<v Speaker 2>great at mirror list. They've been doing it for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>Nikon is good, is good. I just I love Nikon's aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're the prettiest looking cameras on the market,

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<v Speaker 2>just the camera itself, which is such a silly thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say. It's like, who cares what it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>as long as it takes good pictures. But I something

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<v Speaker 2>about Canon just don't like the way the bodies look.

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<v Speaker 2>They do take really good pictures, though. Fujifilm's really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Sony's are super nice. I do kind of advise people

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<v Speaker 2>to get into Sony just because, like the you can

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<v Speaker 2>use markets a lot better for Sony, so if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to buy more affordably, you could go that route,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the Nikon marrorless market is like kind of newer,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's not as much use stuff out there, which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a bummer sometimes. But yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>my quick little podcast on my photography journey. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where it's gonna go. Kalin really wants us to

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<v Speaker 2>sell prints. I don't think that we're talented enough of

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<v Speaker 2>photographers to print and sell pictures that we take, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one day, you know, we go to some interesting

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<v Speaker 2>places and some of our shots are good, But then

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<v Speaker 2>you go into a gallery and you see someone that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually doing it as a career profession and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm light years behind this person.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of the beauty of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're always going to improve, Like the best way you

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<v Speaker 2>can improve is just getting out there and doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I don't pick up my camera for a

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<v Speaker 2>few months and I feel like I have lost touch

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<v Speaker 2>with myself or I'm not as creatively free as I

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<v Speaker 2>used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be depressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there are certain trips we go on where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a quote unquote work trip where we're getting paid

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<v Speaker 2>for it, or it's a free exchange trip or whatever

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it is, and that can just really suck the fun

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<v Speaker 2>out of it for me too, because it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working. You know, like you don't want your hobbies

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<v Speaker 2>to become your work. It's great when they do, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's great when you can get paid for your hobbies,

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<v Speaker 2>but when your hobbies become your work, then what are

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<v Speaker 2>your hobbies?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I love woodworking and photography. If I got paid to

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<v Speaker 2>be a woodworker or a photographer, then that wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>my hobby anymore, be my occupation. And while I do

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<v Speaker 2>love it, I just think that doing it for the

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<v Speaker 2>fun of it is really the best part. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the whole essence of it, in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So if there is ever money to be made from it,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, But it's it's a lot more it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more fun and more enjoyable when you're just

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<v Speaker 2>out there shooting for the fun of it all. Like

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Brink used to say when he wrote for Team puppin Sutt's,

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>he's a soul skater, and I think soul skating is

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just do it for the fun of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it for the love of it, see where it

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<v Speaker 2>takes you. It's just it's also so interesting to see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Like when my friends compliment me on photography,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, are you sure we're looking at the same picture,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's so many things that are wrong with this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I appreciate the compliment. Nonetheless, I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've got imposter syndrome with it. So the big thing

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<v Speaker 2>about photography too, is in today's landscape, at least with

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<v Speaker 2>social media being how it is, so much of what

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<v Speaker 2>makes like it's like fifty percent photography fifty percent post processing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you could be a great photographer but a horrible

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>photo editor, and your photos are going to just look

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of normal compared to everyone else's. That's like maybe

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a worse photographer, but way better at editing photos. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing on my trip to an art we did

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<v Speaker 2>kind of focus a little bit of our time with

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like the editing process and finding out your own style,

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 2>going with like a theme, whatever it is, applying masks,

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>all that important stuff that did make a big difference.

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>It's you can learn as much as you can on

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<v Speaker 2>the photography side, but until you learn how to process

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<v Speaker 2>and edit these photos, I feel like I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Always going to be a step behind. So keep that

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<v Speaker 1>in mind as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I use like your classic It's a great, great program,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still have so much more to learn on

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>that too. I do want to sit down and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to some YouTube and watch some YouTube videos about like

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<v Speaker 2>how to improve that. I know how to work everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just don't know how to cohesively bond it

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<v Speaker 2>all together to make the product that I at least

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<v Speaker 2>envision my head. I get so many things, so I

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<v Speaker 2>go so many places where I'm like expecting an image

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<v Speaker 2>to look a certain way. Take the picture, edit it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't look anything like I thought it was

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>going to luck and it can be a little depleting sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>So keep that in mind. If you're gonna focus on photography,

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<v Speaker 2>get the right lens, get a camera body you're happy with,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have fun using. And then understand too that

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>it's going to take an equal amount of work on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of it too, with editing it to

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<v Speaker 2>make it look like you want it to look like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an ongoing thing for me. I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>working at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you guys are, if you're interested, could use

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<v Speaker 2>this as a catalyst to give it, give it a shot,

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<v Speaker 2>because like I said, it's opened a lot of doors

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I love when people ask me to take photos for

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<v Speaker 2>them or of them. It makes me feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>have a purpose. It just makes me feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>they like the things that I take pictures of.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a nice you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a nice little little hobby to have in

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<v Speaker 2>your back pocket. But yeah, what else do I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say? I could talk about drones, but we're already

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<v Speaker 2>kind of at capacity for this podcast. So thank you

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<v Speaker 2>guys so much for listening to this week's episode have

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<v Speaker 2>Been There Dean That next week, I think I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have some friends come on. So, like I said, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in hearing more from the friends or my

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<v Speaker 2>brother or I guess we haven't heard from them yet,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're interested in me having guests on to

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<v Speaker 2>share their experiences with our traveling that we've done together,

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<v Speaker 2>please drop a comment on our Instagram page.

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<v Speaker 1>That means a lot to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you guys for tuning in for this week's

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Been There Dean That be sure to tune

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<v Speaker 2>in next week, where maybe we suck just a little

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