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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: back Straight to Fire with Jason McIntyre at Rhymes Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: December thirty, nearly New Year's Eve. Normally a night to

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Speaker 1: be excited about, but unfortunately this year that is not

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Speaker 1: the case. I just want to thank everybody for the

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Speaker 1: kind words of via Twitter, Instagram, even Facebook. Yes I

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Speaker 1: do check my messenger like you know, every three weeks

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Speaker 1: for the kind words. I hosted The Dan Patrick Show

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Speaker 1: with Doug Gottlieb on Tuesday, got heated at times, but

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Speaker 1: all in good fun. Doug and I are good buddies

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Speaker 1: and we just disagree on a lot of stuff. And

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Speaker 1: you can have civil disagreement, not necessarily online, but on

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Speaker 1: a radio show, Yes you can. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for the kind words on that one.

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Speaker 1: We have a great guest here on the podcast coming up,

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Speaker 1: previewing the college football playoff games, and you know that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: But I also think you'll really like the coaching situation

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Speaker 1: and um, you know a lot of urban Meyer chatter

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Speaker 1: out there, some Lincoln Riley, Matt Campbell, Pat Fitzgerald. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we will also talk about Mr Dabo Sweeney all that

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Speaker 1: I think you'll love it. Dan Wilke in USA Today's Sports.

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Speaker 1: I know him well. Good guy, um, intelligent guy, plugged

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Speaker 1: in guy. You would like that a lot. But I

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Speaker 1: thought i'd just quickly open um. First of all, let's

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Speaker 1: update the best bet out there. Sixty two wins, fifty

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Speaker 1: four losses, five ties thanks to the Bills closing out

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Speaker 1: want to I do not want to discuss the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Hawks on Monday Night, Okay, but I will anyway. So

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Speaker 1: the Hawks were favored by nine. They are leading by

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Speaker 1: double digits starting in about the second quarter all up

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Speaker 1: to third quarter. Fourth quarter, they led by twenty points

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Speaker 1: with nine minutes left, and the Detroit Pistons a winless

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Speaker 1: group of I don't want to call the bums their

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Speaker 1: professional athletes, but they're not good players. Uh, it's just

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Speaker 1: a not a good team. They are probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: twenty with like nine minutes left, storm back and lose

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Speaker 1: by eight, and I lose the bet Hawks bets, so

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Speaker 1: best bet sixty two, fifty four and five. On tomorrow's podcast,

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Speaker 1: I will have both college football bowl games picked. You

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Speaker 1: can probably tell which way I'm going listening to Dan

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Speaker 1: Wilkin and I later and I will do a couple

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Speaker 1: Weeks seventeen bets. I don't know how many yet because

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. Is no Ben Roethlisberger. Four week seventeen Steelers Browns?

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Speaker 1: Why is that significant? The Cleveland Browns need to win

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Speaker 1: a lot of help, and it's probably not help they're

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Speaker 1: the Colts and a bunch of other shenanigans. Bottom line

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Speaker 1: is Mason Rudolph will be your starting quarterback. We saw

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Speaker 1: think the big story hears who else does Pittsburgh sit?

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Speaker 1: They came out at home in a playoff game against

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars and lost forty two. You can remember

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Speaker 1: but Pittsburgh clearly gonna arrest some guys. I quickly want

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Speaker 1: Wilkin on a couple of notes from Tuesday night in

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Speaker 1: Playoff preview. Jason likes to think he knows everything when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sports. I know what sports fans want,

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Speaker 1: but for everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 1: is this weekend. Very excited for it. Been kind of

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Speaker 1: I've known him for a while. He covers the sport

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Speaker 1: as well as anybody. Dan. How you doing, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing good. Jason, what's up with you? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, uh, Clemson, even Notre Dame, it's a different

426
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Speaker 1: team than two years ago, like you've been Oklahoma. But

427
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Speaker 1: like those programs have found a way to do it

428
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Speaker 1: every single year. It's weird. We don't see that in

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Speaker 1: any other sport, really. I mean, I mean, I guess

430
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Speaker 1: you could argue maybe Major League Baseball really really wants

431
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Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Red Sox, but

432
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: the NBA doesn't matter. You know. Uh, college basketball, I

433
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: don't think they really set it up to give Duke

434
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Speaker 1: or North Carolina an easy road. By the way, those

435
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: programs have fallen down hard like college football for whatever reason.

436
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Speaker 1: And you said it at the outset, Dan, it really

437
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: is an old boys club. They just want the cream

438
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: of the crop, the big programs every year on some level.

439
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: Is that frustrating to you, Well, it's not frustrating necessarily. Mean,

440
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: college basketball used to be more like that than it

441
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Speaker 1: is now. You know, it's it's it's become much more

442
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: wide open these days for a lot of different reasons.

443
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Speaker 1: It's just the nature of the sport. Look, there's a

444
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Speaker 1: way to do this. Um, nobody likes my solution to

445
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: to it. But if you were to cut down the

446
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Speaker 1: number of dollarships, like you would have more parody. Um,

447
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, and but nobody wants to do that. Well,

448
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: the only problem with that is, you know it it

449
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: hurts the players, right. Yeah. Although look, you could reallocate

450
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Speaker 1: those scholarships to other sports, you know, within athletic departments.

451
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: You know, you're still giving out the same number of

452
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Speaker 1: educational opportunities and all that kind of thing. Players would

453
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Speaker 1: trickle down to fcs. Like, I don't think it's necessarily

454
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Speaker 1: like some calamity, but if the goal is competitive equity,

455
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Speaker 1: you do that. You set a limit on like certain

456
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Speaker 1: budgets and number of recruiting staffers and things like that. Um,

457
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: there's ways to engineer it. But the reality is right now,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, Alabama, the amount they put into their recruiting

459
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Speaker 1: infrastructure and and Clemson and some of these programs, like

460
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Speaker 1: they don't miss a whole lot. Like that's the thing

461
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: is they get these guys and they don't miss and

462
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Speaker 1: so it's there's there's not really been any sort of

463
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Speaker 1: window for them to dip. Yeah, I mean, I guess

464
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Speaker 1: my only point, I mean, I get the level playing

465
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Speaker 1: field idea. But my only pushback would be, like, you know,

466
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Speaker 1: they generate the revenue, let them have all the scholarships.

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Speaker 1: Like I I get it. The revenue generating sports are

468
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Speaker 1: falling out, which stinks, um, But it's kind of like

469
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Speaker 1: it becomes like a capitalism debate, you know, like, well

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Speaker 1: should the football players who are putting their life not

471
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Speaker 1: life but you know, you know what I'm saying, putting

472
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Speaker 1: their their bodies on the line to fund you know,

473
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Speaker 1: other teams that don't generate any revenue, and like then

474
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Speaker 1: it becomes like a non sports thing, it becomes like

475
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Speaker 1: a business thing. Well, I think that this pandemic year

476
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: has certainly exposed that a different economic model is needed,

477
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Speaker 1: um for college sports in general, because look, um, you

478
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Speaker 1: can look at what happened with the NFL and the

479
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: NBA and baseball and say, look, there's a shared financial

480
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Speaker 1: incent of for the players and for the owners in

481
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: the league's to make this work. And not everyone has

482
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Speaker 1: to participate, but uh, you can take on a certain

483
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Speaker 1: amount of risk because you know that that you're in

484
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Speaker 1: business together. But there's none of that that same sort

485
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Speaker 1: of cooperative spirit at the college level. It's you go

486
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Speaker 1: do this and play and get COVID and continue to

487
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Speaker 1: show up so that the coaches and administrators can make

488
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Speaker 1: the money and that we can give scholarships to the

489
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Speaker 1: women's volleyball team. Like that's what it's come down to.

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Speaker 1: And I think that inequity has really been um you know,

491
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Speaker 1: I think players have noticed. Let's just put it that way. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: I mean, no doubt. But again, I mean, ultimately, isn't

493
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Speaker 1: a better answer? And eight or sixteen team playoff? I

494
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: mean again, I know some people will up sixteen. Cincinnati

495
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Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be in there. Why the hell not?

496
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Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL is expanding the playoffs. The NBA

497
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Speaker 1: has over half the league in the postseason, baseball expanding

498
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. College basketball is toying with the idea of

499
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Speaker 1: ninety six or whatever expansion numbers they're looking at, like

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Speaker 1: more is better everywhere except college football playoff. I don't

501
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: get that. Well, there's some reasons why in college football

502
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: you would not expanded dramatically. I do think that, you know,

503
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Speaker 1: the season, the physical toll on these guys, giving them

504
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: another tough game, it's something to consider, you know, and

505
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Speaker 1: especially if you're not paying them right but look, I

506
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: think that um flexibility has become kind of the new

507
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: modus operandi for college football. Like people realize that you know,

508
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: you you, hey, we had games scheduled with three days

509
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: notice this year, right, and so you used to talk

510
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Speaker 1: about expand in the playoff and you hear people say, well, okay,

511
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: but you know, how are you going to get all

512
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Speaker 1: this stuff done? And you know you're gonna have to

513
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: do these games on campus and the logistics and how

514
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Speaker 1: are you going to be able to fly a team

515
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Speaker 1: into uh, you know, Blacksburg, Virginia on three days notice

516
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Speaker 1: and you know, do all the hotels and all the

517
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Speaker 1: accommodations and all that stuff. Well, I think we've kind

518
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Speaker 1: of learned like we can do whatever we want to

519
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Speaker 1: do if the will is there. So that's one thing

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Speaker 1: that I think people maybe you know, have realized, is

521
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: the logistics part just isn't that's not a good argument.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to a couple of coaches to

523
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Speaker 1: close it out here, Um, the latest I've seen, and

524
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Speaker 1: maybe you've got some other information. Jim Harbaugh was presented

525
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Speaker 1: with a offer at a reduced salary, And I mean

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Speaker 1: I've been looking far and wide. Dan seems like that's

527
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Speaker 1: been sitting out there for about two weeks now. UM,

528
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hold up is. Um, do

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Speaker 1: you have any insight? A and be what's your guests

530
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Hardball stay? Does he moved to the NFL? Any thoughts? Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: things that Michigan are usually pretty buttoned up, and you know,

532
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Hardball doesn't. Hardball doesn't share a lot, I think, even

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Speaker 1: necessarily with people who are in his circle. UM. I

534
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, I think maybe there could certainly

535
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Speaker 1: be a testing of the market in the NFL. Is

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Speaker 1: there one for Jim Harbaugh? Um. At the same time,

537
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, I do think that that however they proceed,

538
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be delicate. You know, if they're

539
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: giving him a contract extension, what is the what are

540
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: the parameters of that? How long is it? How easy

541
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: is it for the school to get out of if

542
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: things continue to go badly? Um, all that's got to

543
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: be considered. I think that that my initial guests and

544
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of what is trending we're

545
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: trending toward now, is like some sort of short to

546
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: medium term contract that you know that that both sides

547
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: could walk away from. Pretty easily if they had to,

548
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: and because I just don't think the school wanted to

549
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Speaker 1: fire him, and I don't think Hardball really had a

550
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Speaker 1: ton of interest from the NFL this year. So that's

551
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: a spicy take. So you do you don't think the

552
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: NFL was that interested in Jim Marball? Not really? Uh

553
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Speaker 1: not not from whatever. Now, look, maybe there's a team

554
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: out there. We're just getting started with the NFL coaching,

555
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: so you know there's for me, I can't find four

556
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: really really good names, and sadly, my Jets are no

557
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: longer like an interesting team that somebody's gonna want to coach.

558
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Speaker 1: But after like Brian Dable and Joe Brady, Robert Sala,

559
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Speaker 1: who I don't I don't love a defensive coordinator, Like

560
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: are there are those guys really slam dunks over Jim Harball?

561
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Speaker 1: Oh listen, there's no doubt that the pipeline in the

562
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Speaker 1: NFL looks pretty pretty dry in terms of new coaching talent.

563
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Speaker 1: So you either have to retread somebody or pluck from

564
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: college because there's gonna be what seven maybe eight openings

565
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL, So you could see edge coaches going

566
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: to the NFL. I just don't know if it's gonna

567
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Speaker 1: be Jim Harball. Like there are people who have a

568
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: more interesting approach to the game, I think than than hardball.

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Speaker 1: For you know, guys like you know, guy like Matt Campbell,

570
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Speaker 1: guys like Lincoln Riley. Okay, okay, hold on, let's pause it.

571
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Speaker 1: Matt Campbell Iowa State guy, um had a lot of

572
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: buzz last year. Um, I don't know. I haven't looked

573
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Speaker 1: at the Iowa State pipeline. Are they loaded for next year?

574
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Speaker 1: Is he likely to leave? Well? I don't think, like,

575
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Speaker 1: I don't think Matt Campbell is likely to leave. I

576
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: just I just know that there's been NFL interest in him,

577
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Like there's there's intrigue there, you know, and he's he's

578
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: a really good coach. Look at what they look at

579
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Speaker 1: what they were this year, like Iowa State, you could

580
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: have won a big twelfth title. So he's in the

581
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: mix for he's gonna be in the mix or on

582
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: ear at least. I just said he's gonna be on

583
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: the radar for for some of these. And I think

584
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Speaker 1: Matt rules and had a decent debut season. I would

585
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Speaker 1: say he's been better than decent. I mean, I'm I'm

586
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: super impressed by so. Yeah, so like people are looking

587
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: at who's the next Matt Rule, you know, and and

588
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: who can make it in the NFL. And I do

589
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: think that that the Campbell's a guy who fits into

590
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Speaker 1: that that mold maybe a little bit. So like I

591
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I just think Hardball, you know, the the offensive Michigan

592
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: has been a disaster for the last you know, four years,

593
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Speaker 1: and he's also a pain in the butt, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: And and aren't all geniuses a pain in the butt? Dan? Okay,

595
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, but if they're a genius, and Hardball hasn't

596
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Speaker 1: looked like a genius the last few years. Okay, So

597
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: let me let's go to Lincoln Riley. Um, he just

598
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: seems like the guy that's always going to be mentioned

599
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: offensive mastermind and then he ends up staying right, Yeah,

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00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean unlikely to leave because he's got one of

601
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: the best jobs in college football and and he works

602
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: for arguably the best athletic director in college for Paul,

603
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't leave Oklahoma necessarily, Like Oklahoma is a

604
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: golden job, and you're also in a league where you're

605
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: the best program, and you have a great chance every

606
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Speaker 1: single year of making the playoff eight million dollars a

607
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: year and living in Norman, Oklahoma. He's making a ton

608
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Speaker 1: of money. I don't I don't remember if it's eight

609
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: but he's making a ton of money. But he can

610
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: also make a ton of money in the NFL, and

611
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes there's it's just hey, I want the challenge,

612
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: or this particular job has always been interesting. Um, I

613
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: don't think he's likely to leave, but I know that

614
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Speaker 1: that he's he's wanted. Uh. You know Pat Fitzgerald and Northwestern. Yes,

615
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: you know a guy who the NFL likes. He's been

616
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Speaker 1: multiple years. People have tried to talk to him. So yeah,

617
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Speaker 1: I think you could see a college coach or to

618
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: make the jump. Could couldn't you argue though that you know,

619
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley hasn't has it easy at Oklahoma. Every year

620
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: he's getting some of the best talent in the Midwest.

621
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Speaker 1: They're always going to be contending, whereas Pat Fitzgerald a

622
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Speaker 1: little tougher to get guys in. And with Western you've

623
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: got to really work your butt off on the recruiting

624
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: trail and then you're the league you're in. You're never

625
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: gonna be favored. Uh, Like I would say, you know,

626
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is more likely to stay, but Fitzgerald, for

627
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason, doesn't seem inclined to jump. Well. For one thing,

628
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: it's his alma mater, so that makes a difference. The

629
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: second thing is he's done so well and the expectations

630
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: are not out of control, Like Northwestern probably has the

631
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: most sane football fan base in the country and for

632
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: for like, for like a good pro for a good program.

633
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Uh they I think he went three and nine last year,

634
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: and like he wasn't on the hot seat at all,

635
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: So there's there is some um, there's some value in

636
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: that is a as a college coach where you can

637
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Speaker 1: have a bad season and and like no one's gonna

638
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: come for your job. But he's also a Chicago guy,

639
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: and I think it loves Chicago, and so you know,

640
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: if the Bears hired him, then I think that's the one,

641
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: the one job. Northwestern people always said, Hey, maybe he

642
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: might leave for all right, let's get to the man

643
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: of the hour, m urban Meyer. He does work at Fox.

644
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't know him. I have no inside information on

645
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: urban Meyer. A lot of chatter dan that he could

646
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: return not necessary to college, but maybe the NFL um

647
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'll ask you what are

648
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: you hearing? What's the vibe around urban Meyer? Um? Can

649
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: we read anything into Oh, Jacksonville is gonna have an opening,

650
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going there. Urban Meyer has spent time

651
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: in Florida, in Gainesville. Maybe you could argue he has

652
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: some unfinished business given how it ended in Florida. Um,

653
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: where are you on Urban Meyer? Yes, certainly I think

654
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: that that this time around, he's doing due diligence on

655
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: what it's like to be an NFL coach and what

656
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: some of these jobs entail and what what they might

657
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: look like. So you know, I don't know that he's

658
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: like likely to take one of these jobs. Um. I

659
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's that strong yet, but it's definitely something

660
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: that is. It's not just idle chatter. There's something going

661
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: on there now. I don't know that. I think it's

662
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: a great idea for a variety of reasons, Like urban Um,

663
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, for one thing, Urban's health is a real issue,

664
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: Like that's one one reason why he might just choose

665
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: not to do that. Uh, there's he has a condition

666
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: that seems to be triggered by high stress and when

667
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: he's not in coaching, he seems to be able to

668
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: manage it and have it under control. And we saw

669
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: at the end of Ohio State it was like, I mean,

670
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: the guy looked like he was dying on the sidelines.

671
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: And I don't say that lightly. I mean he there

672
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: were scenes where he's like, you were wondering, like, is

673
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: there something really wrong with him? Um, so he's got

674
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: he's got away that and only he can can can

675
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: do that. But at the same time him like he's

676
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: never had to deal with losing, never in college, and

677
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL you have to deal with losing. Second

678
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: of all, Um, you know, Urban's gift is a college coach,

679
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, has always been about the the culture,

680
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: the mind games, motivation, finding ways to you know, to

681
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: dig into young people and and to get them to

682
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: buy into a uh a team of a culture or

683
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: family and and and to get the best out of them.

684
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I think that's harder to do at the NFL level.

685
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: You guys, at the NFL level, it's a job. You

686
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: show up at the practice facility, you clock in, you

687
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: do the work, you go home. It's a different vibe entirely.

688
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if if sort of the mind games

689
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: play as well with pros, you know, So I'd argue

690
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: Nick Saban found that out at with the Miami Dolphins. Sure,

691
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: and look, I think Saban, we'll never know. Would Saban

692
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: if have been good in time, if he had not

693
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: taken the Alabama job, what if they got and Drew Brees, Like,

694
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: there's all these what ifs right with with Saban and

695
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: could it have worked? But it is hard. There's no doubt.

696
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: It's it's you're you're your recruiting skills are worthless for

697
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: the most part. You know, it's not. It's not like

698
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: in college. You don't You're not in an Ohio state

699
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: or Florida where you have all these advantages over most

700
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: of your competition. Everyone's basically the same. So I don't know.

701
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't let me toss from football standpoint. Let me

702
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: toss this out to urban Meyer and Ohio guy. Um

703
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: went to the University of Cincinnati. The Bengals have a

704
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: bona fide quarterback in Joe Burrow. Um. I don't think

705
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: anyone believes Zach Taylor is the long term answer there.

706
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Um urban Meyer gets to go home ish to Cincinnati

707
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: and coach Joe Burrow, who was once in his quarterback

708
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: room at Ohi I state, I believe, Um, do you

709
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: think that makes any sense? Look, I mean you can

710
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: find like all these things potentially could could make sense

711
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: for like like Urban's a big name. Urban's Urban is

712
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: a famous, successful Hall of Fame football coach, and so

713
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: any of these situations, like you could look at it.

714
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: The attractiveness of that young core you could look at uh.

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00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 1: I mean there was a time where people talk about

716
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: him in Cleveland, right, um, a couple of years ago,

717
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: when they had all those picks and they could Urban

718
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: come in and do this and that. I think that's all,

719
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Like you can rationalize all that stuff. But ultimately Urban

720
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: is about winning, and he would have to determine. And

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00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how closely he follows the

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00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: NFL or watches the NFL to know, but I think

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Speaker 1: he would have to be in a situation where it's

724
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: set up to win and uh or Also I don't

725
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: think it would last that long. Okay, So I'll end

726
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: with us on Urban Meyers. So Dan when he last

727
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: coached in at Ohio State, obviously he was recruiting and

728
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: a lot of the kids he was recruiting are now

729
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: on their way to the NFL, and you could make

730
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: the case that you know what he's scouted really well,

731
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: this is a sharp recruiter from Florida and Ohio State.

732
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: And of course the counter is, hey, man, he could

733
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Speaker 1: get whoever he wants. You know, he walks in it's

734
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: a lock, but he knows these players well. Um, and

735
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: bad franchises like the Bengals and Jaguars historically make awful picks. Um,

736
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: urban Meyer could have some influence with the front office,

737
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: trust me, I know this. Do you think that would

738
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: play any part at all into uh? And again I

739
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: know anyways I'm having I'm having flashbacks to like Rick

740
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Pettino going to the Boston Celtics and to get all

741
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: the Kentucky guys. It just sounds like an awful idea.

742
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: Really well, Davian, when does that worked out that somebody

743
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: should be Steve Spurrier right with with the Red Skinstary

744
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: with Washington trip. When has that ever worked out where

745
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: college coach goes to a pro league and like gets

746
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that they coached in college, like

747
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: or recruited in like Pete Carroll for instance, in Seattle

748
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: was able to get a bunch of really awesome bargain

749
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: basement draft picks allegedly that he had recruited, uh coming

750
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: out of high school and knew them well. And the

751
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: one that everybody talks about is Earl Thomas. Um. If

752
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: you remember, there was a safety at USC that he

753
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: had named Taylor Mays and it was like, oh, Taylor

754
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: Mads Pete Carroll's gonna draft No thanks, I know Earl Thomas.

755
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: I wanted him badly. We're gonna get Earl Thomas something

756
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: like along those lines. And again, this is the NFL,

757
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: uh Dan, people are reaching in Cincinnati and Jacksonville. They're desperate. Yeah,

758
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: But I just think that the evaluations are so different.

759
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, when you watch somebody's high school film or whatever,

760
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: you're like, you get to know them when they're seventeen.

761
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something to gain to glean from that. By

762
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the time they get to the NFL they're twenty one

763
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: years old. But I mean they've just gone through so

764
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: much development and their growth, and there's just different people

765
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: Like I let me put it this way. If I

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00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: were a fan or a team owner or a team president,

767
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: like I would not want my coach making personnel judgments

768
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: based on knowing somebody when they were seventeen. Yeah, come on,

769
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: that's not obviously the only reason they would make the decision,

770
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: but that I think that factors in in some way.

771
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Is it five percent? Is it nine percent? I don't know,

772
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: but I think it's better than you know, a retread

773
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: NFL coach who has never met the kid, never done

774
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: any research on them, has no history with them. You

775
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: don't think there's any edge at all there? Yeah, I

776
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: mean maybe I don't know. I just talked myself into it.

777
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just desperate as a long suffering Jets fan.

778
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: We're not getting Urban Meyer. Jets fans know, but all right,

779
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: damn white, um clearly would you Is there a team

780
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: that you would say Urban fits best within the NFL? Um? Well,

781
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: if I'm Urban, I think, like the Jacksonville thing is

782
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: intriguing because you're you're gonna get Trevor Lawrence and if

783
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: he is a generational quarterback and a lot of people

784
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: think he is, well, then you've you've already accomplished you

785
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: know what fifty of of like what you need to

786
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: build a team that that can be good for a

787
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: long time. So you know, if that's like, if that's

788
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: the consensus and and turns out to be right, that

789
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence is that guy, well then I think

790
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: you probably want to be in Jacksonville. Yeah. Um, all right, Dan,

791
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: you have covered college football for the longest time. Um,

792
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: You've seen good players, You've seen great players. I'm just curious,

793
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence the best quarterback you've seen in college?

794
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Where you watch the quarterbacks and say, man, this guy

795
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: looks awesome. I know you're not a scout and you're

796
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: not breaking down uh hardcore xs and os, but just

797
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: to your untrained eye, although it's pretty much you've covered

798
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: college football forever, um, is Lord's the best? Man? I

799
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting because like I think back um, and like

800
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: you have to sort of separate talent from like achievement,

801
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: right wrought talent and skills. It's hard to knock Lawrence.

802
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's really got everything you know that that

803
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: you need. A great runner, huge guy, and he's just

804
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: got that statuesque build obviously throws it just so naturally. Um.

805
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: But like, and the people will laugh, Like I sort

806
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: of think, like twenty years from now, when you tell somebody, man,

807
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: like one of like the greatest quarterback season I ever saw.

808
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: It might have been Jamis Winston at Florida State, Like

809
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: that was an unbelievable season from from a player at

810
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: that position. And uh, you know, yet he goes the

811
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: NFL into doesn't doesn't translate Joe Burrow like what he

812
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: did in that one year last year, Yeah, ridiculous, you know,

813
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. Probably the best season, maybe maybe the best

814
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: statistical season that the quarterbacks ever had. So so Lawrence

815
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: has like maybe shown more skills and more raw talent

816
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: than anybody else, but he's never done it so overwhelmingly

817
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: over the course of a season. Like he's not had

818
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: the historic season as a college player. So so it's

819
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a little hard for me to you know,

820
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean Lamar Jackson in Louisville, I mean think about that.

821
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you mentioned Winston, and I'll never forget that

822
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: somebody had put the like the twenty two starters for

823
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: f s U up on I think the Winston team

824
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: that won the title, and every single one of them

825
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: made it into the NFL in some way, shape or form,

826
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: whether it was a practice squad getting snapped started, whatever,

827
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: and it was like, that's one of the all time

828
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: great team. They were so stacked, ridiculous. Yeah, the talent

829
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: they had, I mean, especially on defense, was was crazy.

830
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: And and yeah, you look at some of the receivers

831
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: that that Winston had to throw to. Obviously, Kelvin Benjamin

832
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: caught the game winning touchdown in the National Championship Game

833
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: that year, and he looked like he was gonna be

834
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: a big time NFL player for a while. But you know,

835
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean there's just you know, the season

836
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson beat out Deshaun Watson for the Heisman. You know,

837
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: it's like that incredible one season sample. And then and

838
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: then you have like and and Trevor Lawrence is in

839
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: a category with like Andrew Luck. Like Andrew Luck had

840
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: an unbelievable career, didn't win a Heisman, you know. Um,

841
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: so it's just it's hard to judge. All Right, Dan,

842
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: I've taken up enough of your time. Dan Wilke in

843
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: USA today, follow him, um and uh Dan, stay safe

844
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: out there, Happy holidays, Happy New Year, and uh I

845
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: can't look forward to reading your stuff, all right. Thanks

846
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Jason