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Speaker 1: today by Josh Smith Montana Knife Company, very special guests.

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Speaker 1: The doors open for a reason. You know why that

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Speaker 1: door is open, Max, exactly. Max is quick. Max isn't

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Speaker 1: even He's just wandering by and trying to help us out.

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Speaker 2: It's all.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Come back here, Max, so I

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Speaker 1: can explain something to you. I had a plan for

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Speaker 1: a year now to cook. So I recently discovered boodant

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Speaker 1: was changed my life. I don't know how it didn't

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Speaker 1: spread into the north everything else did. Oh uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know it had been hidden from me. I heard

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Speaker 1: about it. I hadn't had it. It's changed my life.

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Speaker 1: And a guy heard me talking about it, who owns

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Speaker 1: a boo dant place. Billy's Boudan sounds great. Well, he

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Speaker 1: sent me a box of his bootan the kindness of

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Speaker 1: his heart. Do you want me to watch it? Well,

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Speaker 1: Chess was watching. If you want to watch it, go

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Speaker 1: ahead and watch it. Low and slow.

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Speaker 2: It's as low as it can go.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a boot aan cooking trick the Cajun's

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Speaker 1: told me about. You wrap it in wet paper towel

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Speaker 1: and nuke it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he can do hot dogs like that and.

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Speaker 1: Then finish it in the pan hot doctor m h.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have it with hot sauce. I got an

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Speaker 1: idea where I was gonna put a vat of hot sauce.

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Speaker 1: If I live down there, I'd put a vat of

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Speaker 1: hot sauce on top of my car with a tube

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Speaker 4: You could put that sauce where people normally put their

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Speaker 4: big snorkel, you know, exhaust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And the cage is called boot an.

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Speaker 3: If you hit a deer you'd be pre hot sauce.

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Speaker 3: It'd be already.

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Speaker 1: Exactly deer, he's already marinated. Also joined, Uh Seth is here,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Randall Krin, who wouldn't pick up the phone?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Phil? Who made it? Phil? Who made it? That? We're

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Speaker 5: Salty Phil.

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Speaker 3: Every good podcast begins with an airing of grievances.

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Speaker 6: Between the furs on the wall and the carpet. It

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Speaker 6: would have been we would have been smelling boodhan for it,

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Speaker 6: who knows how long. Yeah, which is not necessarily a

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Speaker 1: I was frying fish in the house one time, and

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Speaker 1: I remember a couple of days later, my wife's like,

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Speaker 1: even the bathtowel smell like that fish.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the boot an smell would be slow to

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Speaker 7: But in this ten by twelve foot room that we're

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Speaker 1: Billy's boot an, we're gonna cook. Thank you, Billy, Chester

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Speaker 1: and Brody pork Liver and Rice.

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Speaker 7: You stopped at Phil. We also have Chester.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I have an organizational problem. Krim wants to

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Speaker 1: remind everybody once again that if you like to watch

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Speaker 1: the network shows on YouTube. It's all moved to Meet

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Speaker 1: Eater podcast network. It's his own channel on YouTube. I'm

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Speaker 1: not clear on why, but that's something that happened. I'm

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Speaker 8: I mean that's because we have the Meat Eater TV channel.

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Speaker 8: It's going on, it's coming out all the time, and

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Speaker 1: We have an intern, Nate, who came up and introduced

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Speaker 8: Oh he really he did this. You don't know about this,

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Speaker 8: No I don't, but I'm just looking at your note.

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Speaker 1: I many times I fell in love with the idea

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Speaker 8: And he did that with you.

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Speaker 1: No, oh okay.

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Speaker 4: Often though you compliment sandwiches only have one.

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Speaker 1: Slice of bread.

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Speaker 4: You compliment them and then you create a sound.

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Speaker 1: So the example I would use is like, Krinn, you

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Speaker 1: look great today. Uh sure, wish you to answer your

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Speaker 1: phone on a podcast day. I like your shirt. That's

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Speaker 1: a comment. Stand So you leave your feeling good.

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Speaker 4: I understand what it is yours. Often, lax, that's the

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Speaker 1: You come in soft, right, you hit them with, You

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Speaker 1: hit him with what you're there for, build them up

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Speaker 1: and break them, and then you leave them with a

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Speaker 1: good feeling about you. But he pointed out the intern

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Speaker 1: came out to me and said, it's not a compliment sandwich.

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Speaker 1: He goes, what does a ham sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, it's an insult sandwich. Like you got

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Speaker 1: It's it's the name is what's in the middle of

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Speaker 5: Wow, I never thought of it that way.

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Speaker 8: And then you liked him a lot after that.

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Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I did. So I'm not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about that anymore. But real quick this, you know, can

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Speaker 1: you play the read the drop Phil? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, let's see we got it right here.

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Speaker 1: It's time for Steve Reid's books, so you ain't.

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Speaker 4: Got to.

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Speaker 1: This one is so rich. I'm just doing it in installments,

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Speaker 1: and I know that I go on, but here that

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Speaker 1: has got to heat with the couple from here. This

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Speaker 6: Have we gotten feedback from this segment yet, Karin? Has

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 8: No, we just dropped it without this.

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Speaker 1: The introk Alaska tracks life stories from hunters, fishermen, and

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Speaker 1: trappers of Alaska by Randy Zarnkey. It's oral histories. I

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Speaker 1: told you the other day we did this one. I talked,

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Speaker 1: I did one out of here. I hunted eagles for

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Speaker 1: bounty years ago. If you tell people that now, they

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just reminding people. Oh yeah, listen to this.

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Speaker 1: This is a different guy. Listen carefully. We finished up

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Speaker 1: the air base on a net island in record time.

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Speaker 1: One day. This is during World War two. One day

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Speaker 1: came back with about three hundred pounds of whale blubber.

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Speaker 1: So they immediately had a whale recognition class. That's the

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Speaker 1: illusion theater in World War two. Oh you got done?

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Speaker 5: Two bands done?

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Speaker 2: They kind of that stove doesn't go too good.

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Speaker 1: Job one second, Well, can you cut him up and

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Speaker 1: pass him around? Listen to this one. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 9: on the image of that torpedo going into Are you

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Speaker 1: Dad dug a great big pit with a manure scoop

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Speaker 1: about a foot of moss. That was our refrigeration. Dad

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Speaker 1: That's cool, huh, I like it. I gonna do one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do one more.

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Speaker 8: We should do an entire podcast that is just ready

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Speaker 1: Just before World War II broke out, a trapper had

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Speaker 4: Pretty well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm telling you. It's a great book, man,

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite book. Josh, Can you share with us

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Speaker 1: what you have, what you brought there?

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Speaker 5: Real quick?

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Speaker 1: Josh can doing everything too? Is Josh gonna show everybody,

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Speaker 1: absolutely once and for all, how to shark for a knife,

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Speaker 1: which he did for me in Uh in it it

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Speaker 1: had more of an impact on my life than Budan.

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Speaker 1: Give your credentials, Josh.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Well, as you're distracted by the boot, yeah,

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Speaker 3: into it. My background? Yeah, my little league baseball coach

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Speaker 3: Well, in the idea of the idea of even just

441
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Speaker 3: throwing those blades out in the bushes when you're out

442
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Speaker 3: in the forest, that's.

443
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Speaker 1: What I meant by put them down here, Yeah, because like,

444
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Speaker 1: what do I do with this thing now? Man? I

445
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: always like try to bury it, you know, Yeah, that's

446
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: part of me getting turned off on them.

447
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I when I launched this finally in

448
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, it was it kind of had enough of it.

449
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: And people kept telling me that it wasn't possible to

450
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Speaker 3: make a production knife in America. Build, build a brand,

451
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Speaker 3: build a company. Like they kept saying, you have to

452
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Speaker 3: stay competitive on price, you know that fifty to one

453
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Speaker 3: hundred dollars price range, and you have to have it

454
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Speaker 3: done overseas.

455
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Speaker 10: And based on companies that don't need to be mentioned,

456
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 10: but like big companies that yeah make forty nine dollars.

457
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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and it and it I felt like, you know,

458
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: we as hunters, we we buy you know, your base

459
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: layers and your mid layers and your rain gear and boots,

460
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: and you're put together a long range rifle with all

461
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: these optics and your binos and you know, your spotting

462
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: scope and all this money we spend. And then people

463
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: go as an afterthought by like the cheapest knife possible.

464
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: It's like, well, it's one of the items. If you

465
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: go hunting in a pair of tennis shoes and Levi's

466
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: and you have a bow or a gun and a knife.

467
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 3: If you take down an animal, you can take care

468
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Speaker 3: of it. But if you don't have that knife, you're

469
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: kind of in a buying and it's as one of

470
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Speaker 3: those like people started expecting less performance out of their knife,

471
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Speaker 3: like I'll just grab another one next to you. And

472
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Speaker 3: that's part of why we we sharpen knives for free,

473
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Speaker 3: for people for life when they buy our knives, because

474
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Speaker 3: I want people to send there. If they can't sharpen it,

475
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Speaker 3: I want them to send it back in and we'll

476
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Speaker 3: sharpen it and send it back to them because I

477
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Speaker 3: want them to go out in the field and have

478
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Speaker 3: a good experience, you know. But part of the reason

479
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: so many people gave up on sharpening I heard all

480
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: the time, like well I can't sharpen. It's like, well,

481
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: then they show me the knife they're trying to sharpen.

482
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: It's like that factory made that knife with the cheapest steel,

483
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: crappy heat treat, thick blade because they don't want you

484
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: to break it. I mean, occasionally on a knife that's

485
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Speaker 3: this thin, I mean it's one hundred thousands thick, it's

486
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Speaker 3: twelve thousands thick at the tip. If you abuse it,

487
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: you can break it. It's like, well, we'll just replace it.

488
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: But for the one in you know, hundreds and hundreds

489
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Speaker 3: that that happens too. The other people are really happy

490
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Speaker 3: because it's easy to re sharpen. It passes through material easy,

491
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: you know. So when I see what people are trying

492
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Speaker 3: to sharpen, like, well, you never really had a chance

493
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Speaker 3: on your sharpening stone, Like the hand it to me

494
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Speaker 3: and I just go straight to a bel grinder.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, try to get it right.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

497
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Speaker 2: I love that knife right there, this one great one

498
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Speaker 2: there the stone goat.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna hit on a couple of things.

500
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Speaker 1: Everyone to come back, Josh, we're gonna talk about some

501
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: products coming out. We're gonna talk about You're gonna show

502
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: you how to sharpen your knife. Yeah, like I like

503
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Speaker 1: that stuff. Man.

504
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Speaker 5: Uh yeah.

505
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Speaker 3: It was a Steve's house for dinner and he like

506
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Speaker 3: walks off into the garage and he sitting sitting at

507
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Speaker 3: his counter and he walks back in and he just

508
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Speaker 3: plops down a knife and a sharpening stone.

509
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Speaker 1: He was like, show me, I yeah, I like to

510
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Speaker 1: see how you like to do it. And he had

511
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Speaker 1: one that was real bad shape, and I told him,

512
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Speaker 1: Seth did that no. Well, I was like, it's not

513
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Speaker 1: my fault.

514
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Speaker 3: You might have actually said something to that effect.

515
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Speaker 1: Accident seth ruined it.

516
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Speaker 11: I sharpened a knife for someone in Texas and got

517
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Speaker 11: a lot of compliments out.

518
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Speaker 1: Well, you got to see this strategy, dude, He's gonna

519
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: do a strategy that people need. Like, I'm not gonna

520
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: I am gonna tease the strategy. He no, I'm not.

521
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Speaker 1: He'll explain it.

522
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Speaker 3: It's different.

523
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Speaker 1: It's a different strategy, but it's like I've been using it.

524
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Speaker 1: I love it. I want to watch you do it

525
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Speaker 1: one more time. But it's it's a phenomenal strategy. Uh,

526
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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna cover some more stuff, some newsbits,

527
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: though we kind of already touched on this. This is

528
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Speaker 1: a this is a weird one, not weird.

529
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Speaker 3: This is really good.

530
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: The bootan is good. How did like Northern How did

531
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Speaker 1: Yankees not know about bootan when you're ice fishing?

532
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: Oh, chick, come here, I don't know.

533
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Speaker 4: I don't care.

534
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: It almost reminds me of like scrapple mm hmmmm.

535
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Speaker 5: I love scrap you know.

536
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Speaker 1: My wife eats it. Oh, it's fabulous. She's just like, oh,

537
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: she's like whatever, it tastes good.

538
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 8: I like this better than the last.

539
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Speaker 3: Are you saying that it hasn't changed her life?

540
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Speaker 4: No, some Bootans are a little more livery than that.

541
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Speaker 1: You could say to people. It's kind of like liver

542
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: and rice, and people are gonna not want to go

543
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Speaker 1: near you. Know what I'm saying. You wouldn't. Yeah, changed

544
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Speaker 1: my life. I don't know why Yankees haven't gotten into Boodhan.

545
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Speaker 1: They are because when I start my new company, I

546
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Speaker 1: don't want to tell people the names. I want anyone

547
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Speaker 1: to steal it. Or does that help me hold on

548
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Speaker 1: to it?

549
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Speaker 7: I'm pretty I'm pretty sure you said it already.

550
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Speaker 3: Sky Mood out there.

551
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: It is, yeah that like now I've that'll.

552
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Speaker 8: Be a food truck, or maybe should be a food truck.

553
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 8: We open up in front of the store and we'd

554
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Speaker 8: have long lines.

555
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Here's a news item. We've touched on a bunch. It's

556
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna keep changing back and forth. I predict I've said

557
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: it before, I've said it many times. I got the shirt.

558
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want them to build the Ambler

559
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Road in the Brooks Range, which is like a two

560
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: hundred mile road in the Brooks Range to access a

561
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Speaker 1: mining district that crosses I don't know, some thousand plus

562
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Speaker 1: rivers and streams. I think it's a bad idea. I

563
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: never One thing I never worried about is running out

564
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Speaker 1: of roads. So the BLM officially revoked its permit for

565
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Speaker 1: the proposed Ambler Road. We had reported on the fact

566
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Speaker 1: that they were gonna. They did. Someone's trying to resurrect it.

567
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: So right now it's dead. Someone's trying to resurrect it

568
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Speaker 1: with an amendment that they added to a Senate version

569
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Speaker 1: of the Defense Bill. So the Annual Defense Bill has

570
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Speaker 1: in there to to force the Department of Interior to

571
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Speaker 1: select a route for the Ambler Road. The reason I

572
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: say this will come back up again when Trump's back

573
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Speaker 1: in office, Like his administration did a lot of good

574
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Speaker 1: stuff for hunters and needed a lot of stuff that

575
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Speaker 1: it wasn't that this is not that great for hunters.

576
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Speaker 1: This is an area where I'm probably going to really

577
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: disagree with Trump on. My guess is he's gonna the

578
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Interior Department under Trump is going to be favorable to

579
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Speaker 1: the Ambler Road. It's my guess. I think that's a

580
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: good guess. Well, that's.

581
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Speaker 4: That Supreme recent Supreme Court decision impact this at all.

582
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Speaker 1: Either or could it what decision.

583
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Speaker 4: Where they kind of take away the power of agencies

584
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: to make you didn't see that the chevron.

585
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Speaker 3: The repeal of the show.

586
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I have, but I haven't come to understand it yet.

587
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't think this one was done not quite right.

588
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: They're they're pre cooked.

589
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: It's it's all pre cook pretty Yeah, you're good, You're

590
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: just cold, just cold hog liver. Yeah, uh no, you know,

591
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of this. I've been trying to understand it.

592
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: But I do think that this is gonna be one

593
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: of those ping pong issues. There are certain issues just

594
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: never go away, Like an administration will do a thing,

595
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like some of the monument status stuff because one administration

596
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: does it. An administration.

597
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: New pebble mine.

598
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what will probably happen is like Trump will

599
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: come back on office, his Interior Department will probably move

600
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: toward doing this, but it'll play out so slowly that

601
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: like some other guy will get elected down the road

602
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: and his it'll just be stuck in this like never

603
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: ending limbo.

604
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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, but the road's not going to get built while

605
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Speaker 4: that process.

606
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: While that process is going on. But I think that

607
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: you'll be hearing it seemed like up in the air.

608
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: But now that it's so clear how election is going

609
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: to go, you'll like you'll hear more about this this

610
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: ambler roade issue. We recently had on uh Colossal Biosciences,

611
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Speaker 1: and we talked about resurrecting mammoths and all the policy

612
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: and technology to resurrect mammoths. H half a Finger wrote in.

613
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Speaker 1: I said, hey, can I share your letter? And he said,

614
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Speaker 1: he said, go ahead, right, halfle finger, sort of our

615
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: our our resident biologists and and uh and uh world's

616
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: leading dear expert. He would contest that world's leading mule

617
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Speaker 1: deer expert. Your conversation with Matt James was interesting. This

618
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Speaker 1: is this is half a Finger. I like the technology

619
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Speaker 1: that all that research is generating, but the talk of

620
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: bringing mammoth elephant hybrids back and then creating an ecosystem

621
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Speaker 1: for them is not only utter non sense, it is frightening.

622
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: M hmm, what will happen to all the animals that

623
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: currently live in those ecosystems? Those animals have earned their

624
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: place in it by surviving the evolutionary gauntlet. Well, mammos

625
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: are proven losers, Harsh, Harsh.

626
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: Are there any mammoths around to hear that hurt your feelings.

627
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: I mean they make great knife handles. I supported.

628
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Think about what you gotta grow them and then no,

629
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: because you can use them fresh. You don't have to

630
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: wait for them to be especially if the plethora of them.

631
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Those guys haven't even thought of the ivory. You should

632
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you should make an investment into that place. With their

633
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: knife hands.

634
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: Made worse investments.

635
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: He goes on proven losers. I like rooting for the underdog,

636
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: but those things they're under permafrost. See what he did there?

637
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's good, very good writer.

638
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: Are they really losers? If potentially an asteroid hit the

639
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: planet and they just got wiped out in a second.

640
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: That's not what happened to them?

641
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: Well people, Yeah, I mean they.

642
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Were on Wrangle Island until four thousand years ago. Yeah,

643
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: they've vanished in Europe, you know, forty thousand years ago,

644
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: and then and then in some places they vanished thirteen

645
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, and Wrangle Island four thousand years ago.

646
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read read his great sentence. I like rooting

647
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: for the underdog, but those things are under permafrost, and

648
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: they lost losers. All the energy and money put into

649
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: bringing back losers and then trying to create an ecosystem

650
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: for them is lunacy. However, the money people are donating

651
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: to bring the mammoth back is generating a lot of

652
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: great genomic research that will have benefits elsewhere. But let's

653
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: not ruin the ecosystem for winners by trying to bring

654
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: back and prop up the losers. Then he closes with

655
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: this full disclosure, it would be cool to see a mammoths.

656
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: He sends a thing they're still trying to puzzle out.

657
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: So Wrangle Island. See this is so fascinating, dude, because

658
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Speaker 1: Wrangle Like even though people argue about the Blitzkreek hypothesis,

659
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: they argue about the idea that humans wiped out mammos.

660
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: There's this weird thing that happens where mammos were wiped

661
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: out in different places at different times contemporaneous with the

662
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: arrival of humans. There's research now on Wrangel Island where

663
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: they lasted until think about this, Till four thousand years ago,

664
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: there were mammos on Wrangle Island. They currently think just

665
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: based on all these examples they've had of all the

666
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: these mammoth remains, and then human remains. It's like they've

667
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: recognized a four hundred year gap between Huh, it's not

668
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: very long. Yeah, a four hundred year gap between the

669
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: last mammoth and the first person. That's bizarre. Whenever someone

670
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: starts throwing around numbers that precise about that long ago,

671
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: you got to be a little suspicious.

672
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was my first thought. It was like, that's

673
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 9: not very many human or mammoth lifetime.

674
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Speaker 1: And then you know, and then you got a factor.

675
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know. I'm not getting

676
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: into what they're looking at. I don't know what they're

677
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: looking at. But you also got again to did the

678
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: did the first person that arrived in Wrangle Island? Did

679
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: he like leave evidence of himself? Meaning the oldest thing

680
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: you find is not the oldest things, right, So when

681
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: you get in all this stuff about the peopling of

682
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: the Americas, like you have really old sites, but there

683
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: aren't many of them, and what are the chances the

684
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: first person to do anything created a site?

685
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, good point.

686
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 9: I will say, Ever, since that guy was here for

687
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 9: the podcast, whenever I have a after my first beer,

688
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 9: I'll just turn to the nearest person and I'll say,

689
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 9: did you know that when the last mammoths blinked out,

690
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 9: the Egyptians were building the pyramids. Because that frame of

691
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 9: reference blew my mind stuck with me.

692
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: And John mcfee's Pulitzer Prize winning book of geology based

693
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: in Range. No, it's called Annals of the Former World. Uh,

694
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: he says if he was going to i'veset this for

695
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: if he was going to sum this book up in

696
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: one sentence, it would be that the top of Mount

697
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: Everest is marine limestone. He also imagines that if you

698
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: took all of the Earth's history and you imagine it

699
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: as a timeline spanning between Fingertip and Fingertip. Okay, so

700
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: this is the Earth's history. You can remove human history

701
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: with one stroke of a nail file.

702
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a lot of history.

703
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: Mcfee's good. That is good. I think the first sentence

704
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: in that is that the magnetic poles wander like the

705
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: North Pole wanders, and the where were we? Oh, Wrangle Island.

706
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I threw out there that they should get these mammoths

707
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: going on Wrangle Island.

708
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 12: Mm hmm.

709
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: When they get the new mammoths going. The earliest human

710
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: occurrence on Wrangle Island has been dated to thirty six

711
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. The last mammoths four thousand years ago.

712
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to those mammoths, they feel was sudden, not uh,

713
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: because they're looking at like you can determine, you know,

714
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: when you when you look us up, there's like some

715
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: like mitochondrial DNA thing. Where can you can you can

716
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: determine how many breeding age females are in a population.

717
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: It was it wasn't like there was like they're saying,

718
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't like there was a couple. I still think

719
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: my little personal theory, being not an expert at all,

720
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: is that that they're going to wind up the dude

721
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: showed up there. Seems not unlikely. Dude showed up there

722
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: and killed him.

723
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 5: On an island.

724
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: That's plausible, right, Yeah, that's gonna go across the entirety

725
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: of the continent. That might not be what got him.

726
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: Where's the how how far from the coastline is that

727
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: boneyard guy that Rogan's had on. It's all those mammos.

728
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: So he's weigh in the interior and fairbanks. So like

729
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: the slight slight, you know, very center, slightly south of center,

730
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, south.

731
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: Takes away my theory because that it looks like those

732
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: are all just like piled in one spot, like you

733
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: would imagine even like in a tsunami or something where

734
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: a wave wash everything into.

735
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: Why they're all tangled up. It's like the labretar pits

736
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: in l A. There's just so many of them, a

737
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: great catching spot. Uh. The Musky Guy. What do we

738
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: call that Musky episode?

739
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 8: Uh? It's not out yet as of the recording of this.

740
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: So can I comment on that?

741
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course you can. We just don't know what

742
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 8: it's gonna be called.

743
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we recorded a well, we covered the Musky War,

744
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: which none of us new occurred. The Musky Wars were

745
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: a Musky expert. And you'll hear him and and and

746
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: he Uh. I challenged him on something he ain't like

747
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: getting challenged on it. I'm not going to read what

748
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: he wrote. I'm not going to read the thing he

749
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: sent me. But he uses all caps and the important words.

750
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: It's like a very like a very Trumpian use of

751
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: all caps. He says, Hi Krin, I just ran across

752
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: a muscle lunch study that concurs with my opinion that

753
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: genetics matter and muscle lunge populations uppercase contrary to Steve's

754
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: opinion and disagreement with my comment during our podcast filming.

755
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: I doubt he won't care much, but it does in

756
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: fact counter his deer population growth by just moving them.

757
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: Fish are not mammals. I was pointing out to him

758
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: research by the Montith Lab where things that he here,

759
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about arthe I'm not an expert on, but

760
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting stuff. It's like when we look when hunters look,

761
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: and they'll say that the area has good genetics, like

762
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: there's an area that produces big bucks. These deer researchers

763
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: are are doing all these studies that show that, like

764
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to the picture than good genetics.

765
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Like genetics matters, but there's so much stuff with nutrition

766
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: and not only that, but the the health of the

767
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: health of female deer, the health of does when they

768
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: get pregnant. So meaning when a buck is born, his

769
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: sort of antler developed, destined antler development, destiny has already

770
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: been set his potential what from from in utero, like

771
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: from in utero development, and you could do all kinds

772
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: of things that animal and you will not overcome what

773
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: it experienced in the womb and the health and condition

774
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: of that mother in the womb. But that's just stress

775
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 1: she was under.

776
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: That's just the potential for how big. Right, It's not

777
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: like if he lives in an area with shitty food,

778
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: he might never sure.

779
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: He could have a great he could have great prenatal care,

780
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: but land in an area of poor food. But what

781
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: it is they went to areas where they they went

782
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: to these areas that have like bad genetics. People say,

783
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: like those bucks have bad genetics, they don't get big.

784
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: You can take males and females from those areas and

785
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: move them to different areas and keep them isolated so

786
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: they're not getting new genetics. They're just in a new environment.

787
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: You can take those males and females, move them to

788
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: a new area that people think has good genetics, but

789
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: not interbreed them, and they will become representative of the

790
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: good genetics area. Meaning it's nutrition and stress and all

791
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: these other factors. It's not like the genetics of the area.

792
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: It's it's all these things and stress is a big

793
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: They feel that that stress is a big part. Stress

794
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: from predators, stress from overpopulation, stress for food resources, how

795
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: much fat the mother has and she gets pregnant, All

796
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: these things are leading to, like is it gonna be

797
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: a big giant buck? Not just that it has good genetics.

798
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they've done the reverse, but

799
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: presumably you could go to an area with like great

800
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: like quote great genetics, sure the Kaibab plateau, and take

801
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: some of those mule here and move them to a

802
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: bad genetic area and they might sounds like it's reasonable

803
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: to assume they might come out not great meal deer.

804
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: He sent me this paper, Larry, where they've done just

805
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: that with muskies, and it points to points to me

806
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: being wrong, as he says fish ain't mammals hard to

807
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: argue with that that I can't argue with. A listener

808
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: wrote in, Brody is trying to bring this up with me.

809
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna let Brody tell them all about it. Brody,

810
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: then I'll give you my call.

811
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: You want to read it or you want me to.

812
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I love your show and listen to it

813
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: every time I get the chance. I'm not sure if

814
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: you're keeping up with what is going on in Colorado

815
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: over the last several weeks, was referring to as Colorado

816
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: has announced an end to over the counter non resident

817
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: archery ELK tags. Long time coming on that. But back

818
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: to his letter, but I'd like to hear your input.

819
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: It has to do with the number of tags allotted

820
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: to non residents versus residents on the Colorado Elk Hunter's

821
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Facebook page and open forum. It has gotten crazy to

822
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: the point where many of the residents posting could rather

823
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: not have, would rather not have non resident hunters at all.

824
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: And he goes on to say there will no longer

825
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: be OTC availability during archery elk season for non res hunters,

826
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and he wants to know where does that lead. Steve

827
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: always mentioned slippery slopes. What is the slippery slope here?

828
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: He brings up a couple points that warrant discussion. The

829
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: animal numbers are down, but most of us are hunting

830
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: on federal land that our taxes helped pay for. Okay,

831
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: so that's an old argument which we'll touch on real quick.

832
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't agree with residents having to draw a tag

833
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: every year to hunt a state they live and pay

834
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: taxes in. But I don't think I should have to

835
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: move to a state with elk to be able to

836
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: hunt elk. And no, no, no, no, no, yeah.

837
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: People are acting like the sky is falling on this one,

838
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: not me, Like this has been in works for years

839
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: and years. I don't necessarily see it as this huge

840
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: anti non resident thing. I just see it as a

841
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: way for them to manage their elkurds better.

842
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: Like people are.

843
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 4: Gonna have to instead of buying a tag that's good

844
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: for most of the state, You're gonna have to pick

845
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: a unit and draw tag. And I don't think there's

846
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: gonna be this massive decrease in the number of tags available.

847
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: It's just like you're gonna have to pick a spot.

848
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 4: And sure it might be harder to get a tag

849
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: that way, but I see it as a better way

850
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 4: to manage Colorado's ELK number one. And it's not like

851
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: Colorado is now some outlier in Western states. No, Like

852
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: you can't go buy over the count non resident over

853
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: the counter archery tags in most Western states. In fact,

854
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: it's very hard. Like you want to bitch about Colorado,

855
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: try getting a tag in New Mexico or Utah or Arizona.

856
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, there you have, Like every state

857
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: has a Like take New Mexico. Okay, New Mexico has

858
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: a set number of ELK tags they're gonna give out.

859
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Demand does not change that there's a set there's gonna

860
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: be a set number of hunters doing it, right, Yep,

861
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Colorado now has a set number. You can't at the

862
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: last minute. Like it's like everybody would always put in

863
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: for draws in the West and if they don't draw,

864
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, if I don't draw, just buy

865
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: my over the counter thing in Colorado.

866
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: Right, which out point, can't You still can buy over

867
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: the counter bull tags in Colorado for second and third

868
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: rifle season, like the opportunity, Like Colorado is a very

869
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: easy state to get an elk, non resident elk.

870
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: That has the biggest elk by by like yeah, by

871
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: a one hundred grande more than like no one's even

872
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: close elk Colorado has.

873
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: In New Mexico, you can buy the over the counter

874
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: ELK tags on private land, sure, sure, And I don't

875
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: know if you can do that in Colorado or not.

876
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: But they have to do all that private lands just

877
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: to control those herds. But and there's a.

878
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 4: Lot of units in Colorado where residents have to draw

879
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: an archery tag already, like quality units, you know, where

880
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 4: there's maybe the numbers don't support over the counter hunt,

881
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: but there's big bulls. So I think there's a lot

882
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 4: more being made of this than people need to.

883
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: Be worrying when they're making it a draw, right, it's

884
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: not like they're just saying no non residence.

885
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: It's a draw with quotas. You got to pick a unit. Yeah,

886
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: meaning it's like everybody else, Yeah.

887
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: You have Yeah in Montana, you have to now draw

888
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: mule deer tags or out tags as a non resident.

889
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: And holy cow, like where we were hunting last year,

890
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: there's a huge problem, Like it's no like with non residents,

891
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: and that's something to be like talked about, Like.

892
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 9: There's a but that's a cap, that's a capped number, right, yeah,

893
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 9: it's already capped.

894
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: But however, like this is just kind of like a

895
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: whole different subject. Like I mean, where Seth and I

896
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: went hunting last year, there were so many non resident hunters.

897
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: It was kind of unbelievable. And a lot of these

898
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: people are not educated on like what you can do

899
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: or what you cannot do on lands.

900
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: And you were saying that the agency was sending people

901
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: because they're trying to lower deer numbers in a certain area.

902
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but it was it was terrible.

903
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: Like there's another side of that too, with the non residents.

904
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 3: You know, especially in Montana out some of those eastern

905
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: towns and whatnot. It's a huge part of the economy

906
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: too that you can't It's like it's a challenge for residents,

907
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: but it's also I think a lot of those people

908
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: come in tend to spend at times more money.

909
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: But it's like half and half two, Like ranchers are

910
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: now in those areas, like we are fed up with

911
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: what's going on.

912
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: People are, yeah, but like to blanket, like to just

913
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 4: say like it's all the non residents doing that.

914
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: I don't like.

915
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: I think there's plenty of places where residents are part

916
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: of the problem.

917
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 9: I think I think the big I mean it sort

918
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 9: of conflates two issues. One is like distribution of hunters

919
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 9: across a big state. I mean Idaho has gone through

920
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 9: that sort of drifting towards a non resident draw. But

921
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 9: they went from over the counter. You could buy a

922
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 9: deer tag at that time, you could buy one like

923
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 9: in June. Once you could you know, this is probably

924
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 9: five years ago. You could buy an Idaho deer tag

925
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 9: in June, and then it was you need to pick

926
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 9: a unit in an attempt to make prevent non residence

927
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 9: from all crowding.

928
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: Into one U.

929
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then that heightens the demand and then all

930
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 9: of a sudden, they're selling out of non resident deer

931
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 9: tags December first, and there's a huge waiting line, and

932
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 9: so that's going to go to a draw.

933
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Set as well.

934
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 4: Elimiting those numbers is like potentially solve some of the problems.

935
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing about non residents. They're all

936
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: going to go to the best areas because they're already

937
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: traveling where resident tags. A lot of those people they're

938
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: just hunting after work, maybe on a Saturday, right around

939
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: where they live in a poor area, you know, poor numbers,

940
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: like even over where we're at, you know some of

941
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: the numbers and some of the challenges with that. But

942
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: no non resident hunters are like, Okay, where's the best

943
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: spot in Montana?

944
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: Go hunt?

945
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: So they are congregating in the absolute best Honting areas.

946
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 5: Well.

947
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I think that they'll eventually I want to return to Colorado,

948
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: but they're gonna eventually address that by needing by. You're

949
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: gonna need to pick your areas because right now, if

950
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: you have it's true that if you have huge general

951
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: areas like you have these large general areas and then

952
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: you have a big number and it's set by the state,

953
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Like there's a cap, right, there's a cap on how

954
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: many tags are gonna give out. But if those all

955
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: those people that draw non residents draw that big thing,

956
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing preventing them from all going to the exact

957
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: same spot because your tag isn't broken out by unit

958
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: by unit wide, and you have a lot of latitude,

959
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: and you also have like long archery season, Like in

960
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: the end, it will be that you probably it'll probably

961
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: wind up being something like you pick your weapon and

962
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: you pick an.

963
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: Area which it are I mean.

964
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Which would should conform to how most states run the program.

965
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: And like residents have to draw Colorado rifle tags for

966
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: first and fourth rifle, and they have to draw muzzle

967
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: loader to like.

968
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Colorado, there is no over to count like think about

969
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: mulder no dear tag. There is no over the counter

970
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Muldier tag in Colorado.

971
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 3: It's all draw for residents too.

972
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: But no one's saying the sky is falling on that.

973
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: And I got news for the residents in Colorado, like

974
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: they're happy about this non resident draw thing. Pretty soon

975
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: residents are gonna have to draw archery tags too. It's

976
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: just the way it's gonna go.

977
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: In terms of his his comment about people on a

978
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: Facebook page being riled up, let me let me tell

979
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: you a little something about human psychology. Human side. Most

980
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: people are out for their own best interests, especially on

981
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: like something at hunting right, you're off for your I'm

982
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: not saying that in terms of how you relate to

983
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: your family, but like you're out for your own best

984
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: in you know, you're kind of like looking out for

985
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: your own thing. I don't care what state you go

986
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: to on the planet. If you went around and polled

987
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: welcome non residents, if you went around and polled hunters

988
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: in any state on the planet the resident hunters are,

989
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: you'd be like, hey, do you think non do you

990
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: think we should make it that non residents can't come?

991
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, yeah, huh.

992
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: Who.

993
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: But who is that problematic for? It winds up being

994
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: hugely problematic for the Fishing Game Agency just doing management

995
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: because there's all kinds of issues around funding. It's problematic

996
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: for the economy. But like, of course, on a Facebook

997
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: page Colorado Elk Hunter's Facebook page, you're gonna have people

998
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: who are like, I don't think they should be able

999
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: to come here. If you came to me and said

1000
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: to me, if you came to me and said, hey,

1001
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: Montana just banned non resident hunters and anglers, I would

1002
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: secretly be going like sweet. But if you came to

1003
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, Alaska just banned non resident hunters

1004
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: and anglers, I'd be saying, damn it. Getting the pitch

1005
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: for it, Oh, I'd be yeah, I'd be like, you know,

1006
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: like most people, like most people, I know, most people

1007
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: hang out with you some hunting and fishing in other states.

1008
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1009
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 4: My buddy from Pennsylvania like texted me after he got

1010
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 4: into this and he's like, I can't believe Colorado would

1011
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 4: do this.

1012
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: To non resident hunters.

1013
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, dude, Pennsylvania doesn't have over the

1014
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 4: counter statewide dotags, but white tails. It's like you got

1015
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: to pick your spik.

1016
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1017
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 4: It's like, and there's what a million white tails or

1018
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: some something in Pennsylvania. It's like, it's it's like not.

1019
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to Southeast Alaska and go find people that

1020
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: aren't guides and don't work in the tackle businesses and stuff,

1021
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: and go to Southeast Alaska and say, do you think

1022
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: we should get rid of non resident fishermen, right, probably

1023
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: like that sounds like a great idea. It's just like

1024
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: human nature, dude, Yep, you know so I'd be bummed

1025
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: if they did in Alaska. I'd be like if they

1026
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: did in Montana and Colorado move into this thing. It

1027
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: feels to me not like they're doing something insane. It

1028
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: feels to me they're doing something. They're doing a management

1029
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: strategy that's already being used all over the place. And

1030
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to get like, I don't want to

1031
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: get alarmist here, but Colorado's bringing they're purposefully bringing in

1032
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: and trying to They're purposely bringing in and trying to

1033
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: establish wolf populations. There is no mystery. This is not debatable.

1034
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: There's no mystery to what happens when you do that.

1035
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: Some of those elk get eaten.

1036
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not like like this is just me

1037
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: stating like the objective reality, the objective reality, whether you

1038
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: love wolves, hate them, whatever. I heard that, like people

1039
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: keep going into our store on Main Street to complain

1040
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: about uh wolves. I don't know if this is true

1041
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: or not to complain about our stance on wolves, which

1042
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: is very new on there.

1043
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 8: Should be like a complaint dropbox or something.

1044
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: There should be like a sign that says like here's

1045
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: here's like the stands on wolves. It's like really complicated.

1046
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: Stand here and read it a minute. We'll go. Okay, wolves,

1047
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: objective reality, wolves.

1048
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 3: Eat elk and wolves don't make elk.

1049
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: Yes, the objective reality is that each of those things

1050
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: eats seven pounds of meat a day. Okay, it will

1051
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: come to be that Colorado, in areas where wolf pegs

1052
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: get established, will have dramatically fewer elk. Go look at

1053
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: the Idaho Panhandle. Go look at the greater Yellowstone heard

1054
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: in the years, in the decades coming out of ninety

1055
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: five and ninety six, you see greater than fifty percent

1056
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: reductions in elk. Kurtz, It's just like, this is not

1057
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: that's not a pro wolf statement, it's not an anti

1058
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: wolf statement. It's just like, that's what will happen in

1059
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: areas where wolves get established. People some people will say

1060
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: like that's great, that's great news.

1061
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 5: Right.

1062
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: Hunters will say that sounds like shitty news. But it's

1063
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: just the reality. So that Colorado, and I'm not saying

1064
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to draw a parallel here, but that

1065
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Colorado is taking some measure right now in anticipation, like

1066
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: they would be smart to take some measure right now

1067
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: in anticipation of having a lot fewer elk as wolves

1068
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: in some places. I mean, you have the perfect case point.

1069
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: You have three states that like, one of which touches

1070
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: does it Colorado? No, one of which touches Colorado. It's like,

1071
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: look what hapving a wyhoming. Okay, look what happened in

1072
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: areas Idaho. Look what happened areas of Montana. It's just

1073
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: it's just the reality. And they'll they'll, they'll some people

1074
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: will sing songs about it. Remember that it was all debunked,

1075
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: but the whole like traffic cascade and you know, beavers

1076
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: are singing happy songs and stuff.

1077
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: You know, hugging a wolf.

1078
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: And then later people are like, well it turns out

1079
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: that might not have been actually what happened, but either way,

1080
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: so yeah, Colorado, sure you gotta put in now. You

1081
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: can't just wait and buy your license in a gas station.

1082
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you can't anywhere, right, And him saying,

1083
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a hundred here. The other thing, this

1084
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: guy says, it's kind of weird. He says, I don't

1085
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: want it to be that a hunter can't get an

1086
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: ELK tag every year in his own state. Welcome to Arizona, Utah, Nevada,

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Speaker 1: New Mexico. Do you see a theme hot, dry places

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: without tons of agriculture. That's already the reality. Anything else

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00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: to add? No, Chester your comment about numbers, like those

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Speaker 1: numbers are capped like during the Great Antelope Heyday of Montana, Okay,

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Speaker 1: which like you go back to two thousand, early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: the Great Antelope Heyday of Montana and it was great.

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: They were given up thirteen thousand either sex antelope tags

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Speaker 1: and handing out with each of those two dough tags.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that sounds awesome.

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Speaker 1: Every dude, every year you would go into the field

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Speaker 1: with a button tag and two dough tags. Thirteen thousand?

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00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: What that number got? What was that number a couple

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00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: years ago?

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: Six thousand? But do you get what one? One dough tag?

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Speaker 1: But when they were given out those thirteen thousand tags,

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: those thirteen thousand tags were getting.

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00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Used because access was easier too.

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00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: Now then they went to six thousand tags, they're getting used.

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00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's gonna sit now, but I

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: don't know if it's ever gonna climb that high again.

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: But it's like the agent see it. Like in the

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: end with with most of these systems, the agency is

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00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: saying how many people are going to be in the field,

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Speaker 1: how they distribute themselves is a different question.

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00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one thing to my point, like I

1112
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: non residents like, that's great seeing them hunt in a different state.

1113
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: But when I say, the problem was in how people

1114
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: are actually respecting the land, like it was terrible, terrible.

1115
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: You said, you kept finding people hunting places.

1116
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: We were driving, driving everywhere, off roads, trespassing, people were

1117
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: cutting people off on their way too deer. And this

1118
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: wasn't just like one time, it was this was like

1119
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: everywhere you went. And I guess what I'm trying to

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00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: say is people need to respect the resource that we have,

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Speaker 2: especially as a non resident, because it was it was

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00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: just a shit chill.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's a general roll hunter resident resident problem

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Speaker 3: that we have to as hunters self police and fix

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Speaker 3: because like my uncle manages a gigantic ranch here in Montana,

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Speaker 3: the one he managed for about twenty years over by

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: showdo you know, hunters ruined him on it and and

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: uh ruined him on wanting to allow them on their

1129
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, he would give permission and say hey park here,

1130
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: walk in, no driving in two in the morning. They're

1131
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: knocking on his door and we got our truck stuck

1132
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: two miles back, you know up here whatever, driving out

1133
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: in the fields. Like that's just we as hunters, if

1134
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: we want to keep that access half to do better.

1135
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. I kind of couldn't believe that that

1136
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: many people were being so disrespectful, you know, but I

1137
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: also Washington Place.

1138
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 9: I mean resident hunters, resident hunters, yea, do the same

1139
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 9: stuffy Yeah.

1140
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Speaker 1: What was that, Phil?

1141
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 5: Sorry?

1142
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what say that's a that's a general Yeah,

1143
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: in any state.

1144
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Speaker 11: We heard from multiple landowners being like, we freaking hate

1145
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 11: this time of year because of hunters just acting like assholes.

1146
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is not good.

1147
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 3: Even like out in eastern Montana, some of the roads

1148
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: you choose to drive, even if you can a little

1149
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: two tracks, like if it's wetter than hell today and

1150
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: you know it's going to be dry by tomorrow, you know,

1151
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: driving that road today just tearing the ship out of

1152
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: those roads, and then those ranchers have to drive them.

1153
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: They have to until they can get fixed. Yeah, until

1154
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: they can fix them.

1155
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Man, it's too bad. I don't want to go on

1156
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: and on about this. Well, I'll say that, No, it's

1157
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: a good point. And places where I have where people

1158
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: let me uh me or my kids or me and

1159
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: my kids on private land, Dude, I get like, I

1160
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: get paranoid about folowing the rules and do and really

1161
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: try really hard to express my gratitude after the fact.

1162
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: And where you know we take, we take, like I'll

1163
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: take a handful of knives out give them to landowners,

1164
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: like I mean, we're you know, most of us can't

1165
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: afford to go buy our own ranch. So when you

1166
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: get like the block management program, when you get permission

1167
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: to hunt a gigantic piece of property, it's a pretty

1168
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 3: cool opportunity that those people give us. So we have

1169
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: to treat that with like it's gold.

1170
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, bring a gift basket and get real clear on

1171
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: where you're supposed to go and not go. And if

1172
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: he says, park at that next fence, park way the

1173
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: side of the next vent.

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01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1175
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: Oh, So we got three new so start starting in August,

1176
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: we have three new white tail systems launch and so

1177
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: you have to stay tuned for this and go to

1178
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: first light dot com and check them out.

1179
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 5: Hey, it's failed.

1180
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 7: Jumping in with a quick update.

1181
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 6: This new white Tail system actually launches off on July thirtieth.

1182
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 7: July thirtieth, back to the.

1183
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: Show system set up by sort of system set up

1184
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: by early seas, kind of like early season, mid season

1185
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: late system, so season systems on like Biden Air Night

1186
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: early season.

1187
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: But your wife just keeps pushing it in this podcast

1188
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: every day.

1189
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: She's like, Oh, I.

1190
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: Like you doing that. That's unbuttoned. That's more buttons on

1191
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: your shirt. We'll bun button a lot more buttons on

1192
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: your shirt because some of that will make you seem

1193
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: really young. Early season, mid season, late season being phase

1194
01:03:53,760 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: core thermic similar designs to first like traditional white Tail

1195
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: get up, but new tech and integration across all the systems.

1196
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: So make sure you checked it out. Get your your

1197
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: kit down. Is super sweet stuff from like you know,

1198
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: hot Weather early season, the cold weather late season. It's

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Speaker 1: like we've been messing with it and I did some

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: haunting with it and I think you guys will dig,

1201
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that as that comes forward. Anything

1202
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: else we want to talk about this Supreme Court thing,

1203
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: we can bump that. It's interesting, Phil, did you get

1204
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: some boot in.

1205
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 7: Uh no, current offered some to me, So thank you, Karin.

1206
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 5: But I'm doing good. Thank you.

1207
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: I want to do one last news item and then

1208
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: also then we're done on show. Oh so people already

1209
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: been hearing the Kids Show.

1210
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 8: Yep, we got a few more episodes. Last one is

1211
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 8: August fifth.

1212
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: So please do us the favor of you. If your

1213
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: kids are enjoying the Kids Show, you gotta let us know.

1214
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: What's the email.

1215
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 8: Address the Meat Eater podcast.

1216
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: Okay, just go to that. Yeah, we've been we lost

1217
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: a kids podcast. You've been. It's been dropping on the feed.

1218
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: We need to hear do your kids dig it? What

1219
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: do they wish it was different? And keep us updated

1220
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: on the kids podcast. We want to keep doing it,

1221
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: but we just want to kind of check and see

1222
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: if people, if people's kids are digging them, and so

1223
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: let us know how your family is listening. What you're

1224
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: finding out on the kids podcast has been but blast

1225
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: to do it. Two last news items. Legislative wins in Michigan.

1226
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: Here's one of that's interesting. I wouldn't have thought of this,

1227
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a good one. So Michigan

1228
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: United Conservation Clubs petition for this for these legs. For

1229
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Speaker 1: some of this legislation, they expanded the youth mentor license

1230
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: to allow people with developmental disabilities and special needs to

1231
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: use the mentor license and perpetuity under direct supervision if

1232
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: they cannot pass a typical hunter safety course. So think

1233
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: about this as normally, like normal, you can do two

1234
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: years of mentor hunting. But let's say you have a child,

1235
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: someone in your family that would be incapable of for

1236
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: whatever reason, of taking the class and passing hunter safety.

1237
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: They're not capped at two years now as long as

1238
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: they're you know when they say a company is like

1239
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: you with an arms reach of your mentor, so you'd

1240
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: be able to continue hunting even if for some developmental

1241
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: reason you were not able to go and get certified. Ah,

1242
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: that's cool, Yeah, great, that's cool. And they also got

1243
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: more funding for Michigan's venison donation program. Those are ones

1244
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 1: like I get it, but I always I don't know, man,

1245
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: I understand it. So tons of high quality protein donated

1246
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: to homeless shelters, food banks, needy families through hunter efforts.

1247
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: It had been it hadn't been part of the state budget,

1248
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: but they got state funding to help with the Sportsman

1249
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: Against Hunger campaign. So comments anyone, did.

1250
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: We just recently talk about those programs getting harder because

1251
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: of CWD?

1252
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like certain there's someone who's

1253
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 9: mentioning that certain butcher shops in the area weren't participating

1254
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 9: in them. So maybe if there's more funding it, there's

1255
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 9: more of an incentive for yeah, well for the program

1256
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 9: to work more efficient.

1257
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Speaker 1: That's the thing about, Like, that's why it's a little

1258
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: bit tricky on the donation programs because what was it,

1259
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: What state was it? Wisconsin?

1260
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 4: I can't remember.

1261
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: One of the states said you can't distribute the stuff

1262
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: till it comes back negative. So when you kill a deer,

1263
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: till it comes back negative on CWD. Even though we'll

1264
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: continue to point out until the day I die, no

1265
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: person has ever gotten CWD from a deer right from

1266
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: consuming it. No cow was ever gotten from a deer. Non, Okay,

1267
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: there's no known risk. There's a hype, there's a hypothetical

1268
01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: risk to the consumption of CWD infected deer meat. You

1269
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: shoot a deer and bring it down to a butcher,

1270
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'd like to donate this. The butcher

1271
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: has to submit the test. He can't distribute the meat

1272
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: till he gets the negative test. So picture Opening Day

1273
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin where deer dies every two seconds Opening Day

1274
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, I mean it really is

1275
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: something like that.

1276
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Speaker 2: It could be less everything.

1277
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: So you know, you're Joe Blow deer processor, and you

1278
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: get this big influx of de deer donations come in

1279
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: and somehow you're under the obligation of sort of like

1280
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: cold storaging, right, cold storaging all these deer to wait

1281
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: on all these test results, and meanwhile you're just getting

1282
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: flooded into deer. So guys had to be like, I

1283
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: can't do it. I can't accept the I can't accept

1284
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: the donation venison and then wait for a test result

1285
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: to come in and then be responsible for sorting out

1286
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: what deers what, discarding the ones, getting the other ones

1287
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: down the line. So it created a whole created a

1288
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: whole mess. I don't picture that mess going away, not

1289
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: going away all right. Crinton has actually on this. It

1290
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: says Boudan mission accomplished.

1291
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 11: I think we had scratch off your album.

1292
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: Billy's bud Tea. I like Tea Pops and Billy's Budan man,

1293
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: where's Billy's at? I don't know. Can someone look it up?

1294
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: Where his billy's at? He sent some that's good.

1295
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 5: That is good.

1296
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: I love it ice fishing. I'm surprised that those Southerners

1297
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: even like it. They don't ice fish. You cannot think

1298
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: of a better ice fishing food than a hot boot

1299
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: and with some hot sauce.

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Speaker 8: The couple of locations.

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 11: It's kind of not something that crave when you're getting

1302
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 11: on the boat in the morning in Louisiana and it's

1303
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 11: ninety degrees and you.

1304
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: Got to go free diving and you're gonna be seasick.

1305
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's good for ice fishing. Is

1306
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 1: the ice hold still?

1307
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, chase that down.

1308
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: Chase that down with a bush light.

1309
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 5: No one gets ice sick.

1310
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: No, you don't get seasick on ice. So it's a

1311
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: great place for boot an. But you don't want to

1312
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: be puking up boot am on the high seas. Oh

1313
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: all right, Josh, you ready to dig in. That's not

1314
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: the stone you described to me that you had, And

1315
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: then you sent me a really nice stone.

1316
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sent you one. Uh, this one's a little finer.

1317
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: I sent you one that's a little more coarse, that

1318
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: has a courser side, so you can actually sharpen stuff

1319
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: that's in worse shape. Got it, Like if somebody handed

1320
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 3: me a knife that was in really bad shape, really thick.

1321
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: That same stone I sent you I have at home

1322
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 3: that I would use to like remove a serious amount

1323
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 3: of material.

1324
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: But can you find tune on it too?

1325
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1326
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah.

1327
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 3: That's a six hundred grit. Uh, it's a it's a

1328
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: I think it was a three twenty or two twenty

1329
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: on one side and six hundred on the other. This

1330
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 3: one finishes at one thousand on the top, uh, instead

1331
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: of six hundred. Just a little difference.

1332
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: And you use so when you're like, when you go

1333
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: to sharpen your own knives, you use an oilstone.

1334
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: Yes, either that oil stone or this one. I mean

1335
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 3: either way, because you like that one.

1336
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: He's got in front of him a work sharp with

1337
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: the it's a work sharp bench stone. So this is

1338
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: a water stone. It's a six inch stone, right, yeah.

1339
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And this is there's water and there's oil stones,

1340
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: and that just provides some lubrication for the stone. It

1341
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: actually if you run these dry, you'll break off the

1342
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: little you know the little grit points on the stone

1343
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 3: that water actually provides support for the grit next to it,

1344
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 3: and it provides Yeah. Yeah, the owners of a or

1345
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: the guys that work at d MT were explaining kind

1346
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: of why the lubrication and so like this one. When

1347
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 3: I just put it in here, I had to put

1348
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 3: quite a bit of water in here because it'll soak

1349
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: it up like a sponge. The first two times of

1350
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: port water and it took.

1351
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: It all up. Yeah, I've noticed that. It's amazing. Yeah,

1352
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 1: you can actually dunk it there and you'll see bubbles

1353
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: come up yep, and then the bubbles will stop coming

1354
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: and you know it said, Yeah, like.

1355
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: At home, I've got a bucket next to my grinder.

1356
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 3: I'll just throw this folk stone in the grinder and

1357
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 3: just soak it instead of doing the water bottle thing.

1358
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, so.

1359
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 3: You know there's these stone. This is when people ask

1360
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 3: me about stones for their home. To me, you have

1361
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,839
Speaker 3: two setups. You have your bench stone in your garage.

1362
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: I think that stone I sent you as a Norton

1363
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 3: Stone North's oil stone.

1364
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't have it. I have that exact

1365
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: wet stone yep, but I didn't have an oilstone. Yeah,

1366
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: and no, man, I have my old man's oilstone, but

1367
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: I keep it more like a.

1368
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 3: Piece of uh what do you call memorabilia.

1369
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: And the dude, it's got like it looks like a valley. Yeah,

1370
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: it's like dished out. Like you wouldn't believe.

1371
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: People didn't sit around and look at Instagram back then.

1372
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 3: They sat around and sharpen their knives, you know, by

1373
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: the fire. Yeah, and that's why none of my knives

1374
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 3: can cut shit. That stone at yours. It's nice because

1375
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: if you've got you've got a coarser stone like that one,

1376
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: you've got a finer stone, like if you were sharpening

1377
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 3: your chef's knives on a stone, I would tell you

1378
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: to use this one, not the one I sent you,

1379
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 3: because this one flips over and I think it's six

1380
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 3: thousand grid on the other side, which is really fine.

1381
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 3: But so there's that set up. There's on your bench,

1382
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: and then there's what you take in your hunting pack,

1383
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 3: you know, and if you leave the house with a

1384
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: smoke and sharp knife, there shouldn't be much need you

1385
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: need to do in the field.

1386
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: You know.

1387
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: Even a little blade like this three and a half

1388
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: inch blade, you can do a whole elk or tell

1389
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 3: me what you're holding up there. This is our stone

1390
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: goat knife we have. We have our speed Goat, which

1391
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 3: is a pair of cord knife ye named after antelope

1392
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,879
Speaker 3: here and Montana, light and fast. I then made a heavier,

1393
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: fixed blade, thicker skinny knife called our stone Wall after

1394
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: stone Wall Mountain and Lincoln. And then people like that

1395
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 3: profile so much that I made a kind of a

1396
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: speed goat style. But we kind of combine those two

1397
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 3: knives that this blade looks a lot like our stone Wall,

1398
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 3: so that those two had a baby called the stone Goat.

1399
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 4: You mentioned doing a whole elk, Like, what's like, what's

1400
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 4: a realistic expectation like in the field for someone to

1401
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 4: get like an animal, Like how much you can get

1402
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 4: through with one night one sharp knife, like cutting through

1403
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 4: heavy hide like an elk, bumping up against bone, Like.

1404
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should be able to do a whole out now,

1405
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: you know. I guess it depends on how critical you

1406
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: are on a knife. I like a really sharp knife,

1407
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 3: So I might in the middle, just taking a break,

1408
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 3: stretch your back, I might hit it on the stone,

1409
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: like a quick pass back and forth, just to touch

1410
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: it and then go back to work.

1411
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: But that's what I like to do, is I like

1412
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: to do the periodic touch up rather than wait until

1413
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: you like tip off the cliff.

1414
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you get to a point where you're like

1415
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 4: struggling to cut through.

1416
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 3: High and that's when you're gonna jab yourself, you know.

1417
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: And it's the other part of that is is you know,

1418
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: I I have people that come up to me at

1419
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: events and they're there they you know, I did three

1420
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 3: oak with that knife and two deer and before I

1421
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: had to sharpen. It's like out of sharpen. That's some

1422
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: bitch long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like that's cool,

1423
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: that's great. But uh, you know, every knife you buy

1424
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: is gonna get dull and and so it's just a

1425
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: matter of when and how long. The question really a

1426
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 3: lot of times to me is how easy can you

1427
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 3: re sharpen it? So people will get knives made out

1428
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 3: of some crazy ass steel and they're like, well it

1429
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: lasts forever. Well one that some of those really long

1430
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: lasting steals are quite brittle. It's an inverse scale when

1431
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: you heat treat, So the harder the steel, the lower

1432
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: the toughness. Right, So as you start to lower hardness

1433
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,919
Speaker 3: toughness comes up, and they you do that by temporary.

1434
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: I can't pretend to understand. I'm trying to stop doing

1435
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: that in my life. Yeah.

1436
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the heat treating process, So you'll heat this

1437
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 3: blade right here up to fifteen hundred degrees. It's called

1438
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 3: the critical temperature. This blade will become non magnetic at

1439
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred degrees. So when I was a kid, I

1440
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 3: didn't have a fancy heat treat oven. I had my dad's.

1441
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: Fifteen hundred degrees. A magnet won't grab it?

1442
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 7: YEA, what chemic.

1443
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 5: It?

1444
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's wild. But they called it were

1445
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: like the steel goes into solution and it changes, like

1446
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: the structure of the steel kind of changes. And so

1447
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: even when it cools down a magnet stone, Nope, it'll

1448
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: go back as soon as it drops below it's fourteen

1449
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 3: seventy five.

1450
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: Fifteen hundred degrees. Could you still cut something with it?

1451
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It'd be kind of hot to hold.

1452
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: You follow me, right, I mean what would it What

1453
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: would it be like?

1454
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 3: It would be soft, it would be it just feels soft. Yeah,

1455
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 3: you could.

1456
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: You could press it on it. You could press it

1457
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: on a like you could take a nail and mark it.

1458
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if you well, I mean not really, I

1459
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: mean it at that point, you're reaching forging temperatures. I

1460
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 3: mean you would dent that steel because like if you

1461
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: took this blade that's hard right now, and you heat

1462
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: it up to fifteen hundred degrees and let it cool,

1463
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: you've ruined the temperature temper like it's soft at that

1464
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,480
Speaker 3: point you could probably bend it with your hands.

1465
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: So we were having big I remember one time I

1466
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: had a digital you know those like laser thermometers. Yeah,

1467
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: we had a big fire going yep, and just aiming

1468
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: at laser around me.

1469
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 3: Two that's what.

1470
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that surprised me if but I wouldn't picture that

1471
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 1: if you threw a knife in there that you would.

1472
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 3: You could harden it, Okay, yep. So the way that

1473
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: works is you heat this. So, like I said, when

1474
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I didn't have fancy stuff, right,

1475
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: I had my dad's acceleing torch. So I would stand

1476
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 3: out in front of my dad's shop and I would

1477
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 3: heat that blade and I'd have a magnet there and

1478
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: I just keep touching the blade to the magnet and

1479
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: you'll feel it getting light like at first, it's like

1480
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 3: snaps right to it, right, dude, I had never heard this,

1481
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 3: and it'll it'll start to get light to the touch,

1482
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: and pretty soon it's not touching, but it's not sticking.

1483
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 3: It might not stick here, and you get back here

1484
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 3: and it's sticking here. This part of the blade back

1485
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 3: here is thicker, right, So when you're heating you have

1486
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: to be careful to not overheat the tip. I mean

1487
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 3: this tip's twelve fifteen thousands. This is one hundred. You

1488
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: have to put more heat back here, right, especially a bigger,

1489
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: heavier knife, you know, like this booie knife. And so

1490
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 3: I would heat with a torch. And then when when

1491
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 3: that whole thing's not sticking, then you quench it an

1492
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: oil And depending on the kind of steel, it could

1493
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: be like an automatic transmission fluid, mineral oil, you know,

1494
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 3: hydraulic oil. You know, you don't want to use motor oil.

1495
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: Some oils have a different lower flash temperature. But when

1496
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 3: you put in you'll catch on fire. There's a few

1497
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: times a damn near burn my dad's shop down. But

1498
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 3: when you quench that blade, it drops the temperature. You

1499
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 3: have to drop below nine hundred degrees in a certain rate.

1500
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: Of time. It's like one and a half seconds or something.

1501
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: So by doing it fast, when you drop from fifteen

1502
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 3: hundred down below that temperature, the steel hardens. Okay, now

1503
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 3: that's why when if you ever watch like that show

1504
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 3: Forge and Fire, if they if you take this blade,

1505
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 3: you heat up and you quention water, that water's too fast,

1506
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 3: it'll it'll, it'll, it'll drop that temperature so fast that

1507
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: you you stand a chance to crack it or break it.

1508
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: Huh So I didn't know that either. Now there's water

1509
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: hardening Randall. Did you know what he's saying about the magnet?

1510
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: Be honest, no, first time?

1511
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 3: And uh, you know there's water hardening steels like the Japanese, uh,

1512
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 3: Samurai swords and stuff back in the day W one,

1513
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 3: W two, stuff like that. You actually quention water, So

1514
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 3: steels have their different oils. That that it's the speed

1515
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 3: at the rate at which that God comes down. So

1516
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: people use the wrong terminology all the time to say, well,

1517
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 3: how do you temper your blades? And it's like, well,

1518
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 3: the tempering is a part of the heat treatment process.

1519
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 3: So by by heating that blade up and then quenching it,

1520
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: you've now hardened it. But now this thing is brittle.

1521
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: If I drop it on a concrete floor, it's gonna shatter.

1522
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 3: It's it's like piece of glass.

1523
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: Can't do the ninety degree bend.

1524
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: Nope, it snapped right off.

1525
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,440
Speaker 5: So at that point, how would it sharpen.

1526
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 3: It would sharpen up, super super sharp, fine edge, but

1527
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: it would't hold it. But but yeah, if you if you,

1528
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, bumped it against this micro frone stand, it

1529
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: would chip it, you know if it was thin.

1530
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 5: Gotcha?

1531
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: And so now becomes what we got into this on

1532
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: is that that scale right that blade is like sixty

1533
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,919
Speaker 3: seven sixty eight rock Well, that's the that's the hardness

1534
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 3: of the blade.

1535
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: So what the hell does that scale mean?

1536
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 3: The way we test that is we have a Rockwell tester.

1537
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 3: He set that blade here, and it's got a little

1538
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: diamond point that comes down. It touches the steel and

1539
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 3: then you get it zeroed out, and then you pull

1540
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: this handle and it applies pressure down on the blade

1541
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 3: and then lets up. And however deep that that point

1542
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 3: penetrated the steel or or not deep determines how hard

1543
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 3: your blade is.

1544
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: That's the score.

1545
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, and it and it cackle. I didn't know

1546
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: how it was measured.

1547
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: I knew the rock Well score to you. I know

1548
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: the man.

1549
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1550
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: So like if that point burries way down into that blade,

1551
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 3: it's soft, right, and it'll kick back one of those

1552
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: yeah a tester.

1553
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it the thing you You don't make it,

1554
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: obviously you buy it.

1555
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you buy it. It's a Yeah. It's a big

1556
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 3: heavy thing that sits there with a dial on it

1557
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: and candle. So and we we randomly test these blades

1558
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 3: every so often, just making sure that like, hey, nothing's

1559
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: going on with our heat treat so weird gremlin. So

1560
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 3: let's say that blade has hardened as like sixty eight

1561
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 3: rock Well, hold.

1562
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: The audio very hard. You pull it audio oil and

1563
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: it's hard.

1564
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 3: It's brittle. So now you put that blade in an oven.

1565
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 3: So when I was a kid, I would always put

1566
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: them in my mom's kitchen oven and they said it

1567
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: still had oil on them and it would stink up

1568
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 3: my mom's dad's holes on fire. Yeah, it's a ship

1569
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: shot studio film.

1570
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1571
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 13: Uh.

1572
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 3: But you heat that blade up to say four hundred

1573
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 3: degrees for an hour, and you take it back out

1574
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 3: and you test that rock Well might be down to

1575
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 3: six D four. You heat that blade up for another

1576
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 3: hour at four hundred degrees.

1577
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 5: Let it cool.

1578
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 3: Now you're down around sixty two. And now, depending on

1579
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 3: the type of knife, where do you want to stop?

1580
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 5: Right? But as.

1581
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: Your hardness level comes down, now your toughness is coming up.

1582
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 3: So let's take it all the way the other way.

1583
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 3: Let's take that hardness all the way down to like

1584
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: fifty five. Now it's not very hard, but it'll you

1585
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: can flex it, you can bend it right, and you

1586
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: take it all the way to just dead soft. You

1587
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 3: can bend that thing right around, wrap it around steel,

1588
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 3: you know something three times because it's totally soft.

1589
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: Got it.

1590
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 3: So again, you're trying to choose that that balance, achieve

1591
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: that balance depending on the type of blade you want

1592
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: to make. And that's the thing with like a lot

1593
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: of these factory knives, they're going for mass scale, hit

1594
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: the middle of the road where it's like you want

1595
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 3: as a custom knife maker, you're trying to curtail that

1596
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: heat treating towards what the customer is going to do

1597
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: with that knife. That's what we're doing with like our

1598
01:22:58,880 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 3: in case E stuff.

1599
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: Can you real quick explain just in Layman's term, when

1600
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: someone says it's a carbon steel knife. Yep.

1601
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a it's a there's stainless steel and

1602
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: there's carbon steel.

1603
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: So so then that's the two options.

1604
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and stain But then there's hundreds of options

1605
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 3: within those options, right, and you know this.

1606
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: Gets that's a high level division it carbon path stainless path.

1607
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's really it's it's a variance of how

1608
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 3: what kind of a what's the chemical makeup of that steel?

1609
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: How much chromium is in it, how much vanadium is it,

1610
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 3: how much manganese is in it, how much carbon is

1611
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 3: in it. And and there's a certain scale at which,

1612
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: you like, there's stainless steels, which stainless doesn't mean stain free,

1613
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 3: it means stains less. So at a certain point, you know,

1614
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 3: you you step down that stainless scale to where all

1615
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 3: of a sudden you start getting more rust than you want.

1616
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: There's a certain scale right there where it becomes now

1617
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: officially a carbon steel. And there's there's steels out there

1618
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 3: that are, you know, more stain resistant, but maybe some

1619
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: of their properties don't properties don't lend to being a

1620
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: great knife steal, but they're great for like something used

1621
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 3: in industry, you know, surgical tools or whatever. Right like

1622
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 3: this steel right here, this is a carbon steel blade.

1623
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: This industry is actually it's called fifty two one hundred,

1624
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 3: which means it has zer point one percent carbon. This

1625
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 3: is ball bearing steel. So in in industry for however

1626
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: many one hundred years now or more, they've been making

1627
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: ball bearings to go in your car and tools and whatever.

1628
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 3: They make it out of this steel because this steel

1629
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 3: is very rare resistant. Now, this brand new steal that

1630
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 3: we've been using in the last couple of years called

1631
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: Magna Cut is stainless steel. And LARRYN. Thomas I actually

1632
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 3: shared my first my first diver knife show and I

1633
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 3: was I turned fourteen at Eugene, Oregon show. I shared

1634
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: a table with a really cool knife maker. His name

1635
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 3: was Devin Thomas. His not yet born son is now

1636
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: a PhD metal er just and he invented magne cut steel.

1637
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: Cool.

1638
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 3: That's cool, and we were literally probably the first company

1639
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 3: to use it.

1640
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1641
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,480
Speaker 3: That steel is a super steel because it's most stainless

1642
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 3: steels over the years have had some really good edge

1643
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 3: holding ability but had really low toughness. You couldn't make

1644
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 3: knives thin or they would snap break. Yeah, That's why

1645
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 3: he developed Magna cut, was to not only have the

1646
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 3: cutting ability which frankly will outcut this blade in duration,

1647
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 3: but still holds a high level of toughness. Still not

1648
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: the toughness of this blade, but tough enough for anything

1649
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 3: I wanted to do.

1650
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: That. That's one of the things that that you're not.

1651
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: What makes your knives special is that, like you said,

1652
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: they're like more of a user's knife because they they're thin.

1653
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: Yep, you think some years.

1654
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: Ago and a lot of guys got into making their

1655
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: own knives. It felt to me like a lot more

1656
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: people got into that for a while. Yeah, especially with

1657
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: forest and fire, but like big old thick bastards yep,

1658
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: you know.

1659
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, thick and heavy. That's the thing. It doesn't necessarily

1660
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 3: mean quality. I mean, if you want a splitting mall

1661
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 3: to chop fur, chunks of fur, firewood and half, yeah

1662
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: you want thick and heavy. But when you're cutting through elk, hide,

1663
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 3: moose hide, meat, you know whatever, you want that material

1664
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 3: to pass by this edge with as little resistance as possible.

1665
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 3: The more meat you have behind the edge. And this

1666
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 3: is what people don't talk enough about is edge geometry.

1667
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 3: How thick is it behind this edge, and the more

1668
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: weight you have back there, the more resistance you have,

1669
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 3: the more pressures getting put on the edge. Then when

1670
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: you do go to a sharpening stone, when you're sharpening

1671
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 3: a knife, you're removing steel. The more weight and steel

1672
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 3: you have behind that edge, the more difficult that's going

1673
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 3: to be to sharpen. And so I want a blade

1674
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 3: to be as as thin as possible and still get

1675
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: the job done without me being worried about breaking it.

1676
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 3: And if you break this knife, you're kind of trying.

1677
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 3: Even though it's thin, this is skeletonized. It's still super

1678
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 3: super tough.

1679
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: So let's say someone breaks it, yea, and they send

1680
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: it to you, we can you'd be like, I know

1681
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: because I made it, ye that if you broke it herb,

1682
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: isn't it like you weren't cutting up? You weren't yeah,

1683
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: cutting loins up?

1684
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 3: We still send him a new knife.

1685
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's Do you send a little note, yeah, sometimes.

1686
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: Like come on a screwdriver his letter when his letters like,

1687
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 3: I was just skinning my deer and the blades is broken.

1688
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 5: Half I am here. You can settle a dispute for me.

1689
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 11: I had one of your blade knives in Alaska, and

1690
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 11: I played a bunch of sam with it. No problems

1691
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 11: my my buddy Ben Oh. I let him use it

1692
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 11: for two seconds, the blades in half. Yeah, and he

1693
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 11: said he was doing nothing with it, just flame fish

1694
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 11: playing along.

1695
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1696
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 3: I would find that very shocking because we've got several

1697
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 3: thousand of those out there, and I've seen one maybe

1698
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: or two. Maybe.

1699
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 5: Well, I'll show you a third one.

1700
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well we'll send him a new one.

1701
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 5: Well it's my knife.

1702
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, well it's still in Alaska.

1703
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 5: I'll bring it back.

1704
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, it's I just did.

1705
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I just did. I just did a sting rain along

1706
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: those gar with your knife. I love that. That's a

1707
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: rough that's a rough lay job. Yeah for the fish spectrum.

1708
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 3: Well, I and you know what, every now and then,

1709
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 3: ship's gonna happen. People are gonna break something. I I

1710
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 3: would rather stand behind our stuff kind of no questions asked,

1711
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 3: because when you do replace that knife, people are like

1712
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 3: they know what they were doing or not doing, but

1713
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 3: they really that you that you stand behind it, and

1714
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 3: who knows, ship could happen. I mean, you know something

1715
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 3: could happen, but you want to know.

1716
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: You want to know that you're no fool though. Yeah,

1717
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: so you can say, like, while I know you're lying,

1718
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,480
Speaker 1: you could have replaced you put a little business.

1719
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 3: Card in there with a picture of you winking at him. Yeah,

1720
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: well our little secret. What's even better is when I get,

1721
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, a DM on Instagram occasionally and somebody would

1722
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: be like, dude, I was I was doing what I

1723
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been doing, like one hundred percent, I screwed

1724
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: it up. I know you're out of stock. Can I

1725
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: buy another one? Like they're all heartbroke, but they're just

1726
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: like telling you, like I I completely did something I

1727
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been and we I still just send him

1728
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 3: a new knife free charge. And again that makes the

1729
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 3: customers for life.

1730
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they sent you a note and it started

1731
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: out with you know that little ball joint on the back, Yeah,

1732
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: oh dear, well you know where that's going.

1733
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 3: Or like, you know, so I was trying to pry

1734
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: up my elk ivories, you know, and the tip on

1735
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 3: your speed goat, you know, the last eighth of an

1736
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 3: inch is gone, and it's like, yeah, yeah, it's not

1737
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 3: a screwdriver, but now you have a flat Actually actually, uh,

1738
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 3: the funny you know, the Ruana knives out of Bonner. Oh,

1739
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 3: they're they're famous in this area because old Rudy Ruana

1740
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: was a legend in this area.

1741
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 13: Uh.

1742
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: He was an old man when I got into making knives,

1743
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 3: but he was His knives are worth a lot of

1744
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 3: money if you can find him. Well, my banker when

1745
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 3: I was about fifteen, was telling me when he was

1746
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: in high school, he tried Priyan elk Ivory's out of

1747
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 3: an elk and he broke the tip off and he

1748
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 3: took it back to Rudy's shop.

1749
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you did mention this guy to Yeah,

1750
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: he walked.

1751
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 2: In years old, that's what.

1752
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1753
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 3: Anyways, continue but he he he walked in. He's like, hey,

1754
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 3: tip broke off your knife, you know. And Rudy's like, well,

1755
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: what were you doing with it? And you know, Mark

1756
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 3: tells him and uh, Rudy goes, well, I didn't make

1757
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 3: you a goddamn screwdriver, you know. So he fixed the

1758
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 3: tip on it, and he said that, he said, Rudy

1759
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 3: just chewed his ass up one side and down the other.

1760
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 3: And he's like, I never ever the rest of my

1761
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 3: life did that again. Yeah, but like, if you down

1762
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 3: along the side of the teeth and use the back

1763
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 3: of your knife and pop them out or a stick

1764
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: or rock or something like that. And you know your

1765
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: knife's not a screwdriver. Yeah, you can turn it into

1766
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 3: us a nice little flat blating screwdriver.

1767
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: But you can't make it into a phillips.

1768
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah that's hard.

1769
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, walk through uh, walk through your moves there.

1770
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 3: All right, this will be riveting for people that aren't watching,

1771
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 3: but they'll have to go.

1772
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: They can go watch, but I'll provide commentary because I'm

1773
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna tee it up.

1774
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so this has been sitting in the water.

1775
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 3: I just flipped this over to get a little water

1776
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 3: on top of the stone. So I'm on the six

1777
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 3: hundred grit or this is a thousand grit side. So

1778
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 3: this knife, uh, you guys kind of test to it

1779
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 3: being being dull.

1780
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 5: I'm shait.

1781
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 3: We watched him run. He ran it vertically down the

1782
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 3: stone before the show. It's good and dull.

1783
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: It's dull. It's dull. Tip's dull. It's dull. It's dull knife.

1784
01:31:59,160 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 5: Dull knife.

1785
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: So I provide a quick little bit of color. Yeah, no,

1786
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: you go ahead, go ahead. So now I am gonna

1787
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: most people go meaning left side right, like.

1788
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Cut, cutting, cutting into the stone.

1789
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Most people you're slicing and you do like laugh right left, right, laugh, right.

1790
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: So actually, let's talk about let's talk about that.

1791
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what the edge of your knife actually is.

1792
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: It's really a micro saw. There there are teeth on

1793
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 3: your edge. When you look under a microscope, there are

1794
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 3: little saw teeth all along your edge. So when your

1795
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 3: edge is really nice and sharp, especially and again I'm

1796
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 3: gonna I'm talking about a hunting knife here, a chef's

1797
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 3: knife or like a razor blade is gonna be a

1798
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 3: little bit different. There's little microcerations. So when you're cutting

1799
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 3: a uh, let's say, into a moose, really thick bristly

1800
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 3: hair or a hog or something like that. But even

1801
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 3: with like the hide, the leather, you know, or meat,

1802
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 3: you want those teeth ripping and tearing and biting at

1803
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 3: what it's what it's trying to cut. So when you're

1804
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 3: cutting and don't I don't generally say you should be

1805
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 3: cutting a cross hair, but if you ever do, and

1806
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 3: you're cutting a cross hair, you will actually see those

1807
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: hair pop, I mean almost jump off of the hide

1808
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 3: because those teeth are catching that that hair and when

1809
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 3: they pass through it. That hair is popping apart.

1810
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

1811
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 3: And so as a knife doles those teeth. If you

1812
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 3: imagine a nice new hacksaw from the store or a

1813
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 3: wood saw, you get it from the store, and those

1814
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 3: teeth are just super super sharp. Well, as that saw

1815
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 3: starts to get dull, those teeth are just becoming rounded. Right,

1816
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 3: you can still saw through your piece of wood or

1817
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 3: that piece of steel, but it's gonna take longer, it's

1818
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 3: gonna take more effort. Well, it's the same way the

1819
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 3: knife blade. Your little microceration teeth are starting to wear down.

1820
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 3: They're starting to round out, and at a certain point

1821
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 3: where like they are here, this is flat. I mean,

1822
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 3: if you looked under a microscope, there would be a

1823
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 3: microscopic flat across this edge because you guys saw me

1824
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 3: go right right across the stone. So what I need

1825
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 3: to do is I need to re establish my teeth

1826
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 3: my burr on this blade, because that's what's actually gonna

1827
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 3: do the cutting for me down the road, and that's

1828
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 3: what's gonna give me this long duration. You know, I

1829
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 3: did two elk and it was still cutting. It's because

1830
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 3: I actually delivered that blade to you with those micro

1831
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 3: teeth on it, so it didn't just go flat doll

1832
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 3: right away. If I was to strap this edge down

1833
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 3: or buff this edge down to like a razor blade,

1834
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 3: as soon as you start cutting hide or some wood

1835
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 3: or something like that, it's going to immediately create a

1836
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 3: flat spot as soon as it wears off. And there's

1837
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 3: no teeth there, So it's gonna go from feeling smoking

1838
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 3: sharp when you get it hm to like flat doll.

1839
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Fast man often feels better and at first couple seconds,

1840
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yeah, oh, you just

1841
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 1: love it.

1842
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,839
Speaker 3: But you gotta last longer than just a few seconds.

1843
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 3: This is uh so anyway, I'm gonna create that burst.

1844
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 3: So what I'm gonna do is I'm actually gonna start

1845
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 3: And a lot of people worry about the angle so

1846
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 3: much and they think the angle is wrong. But generally

1847
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 3: a knife blade is between fifteen and twenty degrees of angle,

1848
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 3: So fifteen is a you know, that lower degree like

1849
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 3: a like a chef's knife or a thin blade like this,

1850
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 3: And then as you get thicker blade, you gotta steep

1851
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 3: in that angle up right all the way up to

1852
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 3: like a splitting mall that's more like a wedge. Yeah, right,

1853
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 3: and so if it's a if it's a chopping knife

1854
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: for chopping through wood, you want that weight behind the edge.

1855
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 3: That weight is striking or that edge is striking whatever

1856
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 3: it's striking, and that that steel right behind the edge

1857
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 3: is providing support for that edge and also driving that

1858
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 3: wood apart.

1859
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 5: Right.

1860
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 3: So this is then I've got fifteen degree angle. With

1861
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 3: these works sharps. You can actually check your angle right

1862
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 3: on the end of.

1863
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: The Yeah, he's got a work sharp sharpener that has

1864
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,719
Speaker 1: the angle guide and you can put different angle guides

1865
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: on those.

1866
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:08,759
Speaker 5: Yep.

1867
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 3: So I actually am just going to start on one

1868
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 3: side and I'm going to just kind of create a burr.

1869
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 3: So I'm actually starting at the tip. Yeah, and what

1870
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 3: I see a lot of people do. Where's the camera

1871
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 3: in this one? The people will round off when they

1872
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 3: when they go this way.

1873
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: Yep.

1874
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 3: You'll hear if you listen, you'll hear this like this

1875
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 3: little at the end, like a flick. Yeah, that little flick. Well,

1876
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 3: this tip is like ten fifteen thousands. Stick this back

1877
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 3: here is maybe thicker, and you're removing more steel off

1878
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 3: that tip, and people round their tip off. You'll see, Yeah,

1879
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: you can you do it?

1880
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: And then you feel it, and you like, you start

1881
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: at the back, you're like loving it, loving it, loving it.

1882
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: You get up there and you're like.

1883
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: Damn it.

1884
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it's like and and and they'll like

1885
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 3: bull knows their little tip. So if you start here,

1886
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 3: you can start right up on the tip if you

1887
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 3: need to, or you can actually start right behind that

1888
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 3: tip and remove material maybe down a sixteenth from the

1889
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 3: tip or less, uh, and just to keep that tip

1890
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 3: nice and sharp. And you can actually rehabb your tip

1891
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 3: and put a tip back on your knife, because this

1892
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 3: tip is for like caping duties, you know, in around

1893
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 3: that tight hair on the horns and you know the

1894
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: tear ducks in those areas.

1895
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: Dude, that little movie got there, man. I mean, I

1896
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: know you've been doing it your whole life, but that

1897
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: little move right there is the move.

1898
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 3: So what I'm doing is I'm putting a lot of

1899
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 3: pressure right here, and he's giving Brody the bird pushing hard.

1900
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1901
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just using like one finger here to just

1902
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: put more pressure on that blade. And I am just

1903
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 3: going in one direction, starting at the tip and pushing

1904
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 3: back to the ricasso or the plunge grind of this

1905
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 3: blade and then I'm going to feel on the opposite side,

1906
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 3: So the side facing me, I'm going to feel with

1907
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 3: these fingers, and I'm gonna feel for a burr. I'm

1908
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 3: looking for a berth because as I go across this edge,

1909
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna curl a burr up on the other side.

1910
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 3: So instead of looking at this or trying to figure out,

1911
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna wait till my fingers tell me like, oh,

1912
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 3: there's a burr all the way down. I'm starting to

1913
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 3: develop a little bird here, but I don't have anything

1914
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 3: up here by the tip and nothing back here.

1915
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: You might have worked at one side, so.

1916
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: I might even work this tip, like I might just

1917
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 3: work this spot for a second, or I could work

1918
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 3: back here, like right in this spot, or then I

1919
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: can go back and even this thing out. And I'm

1920
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 3: just going fast and putting a lot of pressure.

1921
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 11: And you're not keeping track of how many strokes on

1922
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 11: the other side.

1923
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: No, it's not, it's not algebra what.

1924
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 5: My whole life?

1925
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 8: But what about the like how how are you using

1926
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 8: the angle guide or how.

1927
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 3: So you can check you memori head? Yeah, like I

1928
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 3: can feel it, but you can if you want to

1929
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 3: go slow, you can be like on this angle and

1930
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 3: then you can just take whoops and transfer that right

1931
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 3: to your stove, you know, and you.

1932
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Can always asking. I asked him a bunch about that,

1933
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: but it's just like he just got in his head

1934
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: and he does it the same way every damn time.

1935
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: But the angle guide slows you down. But it's good

1936
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: for starter, it is.

1937
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 3: It's good to kind of like come across and then

1938
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 3: check like, ye, I'm pretty good right the other okay,

1939
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 3: And so now okay.

1940
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: He still has his only world. He's still his only

1941
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: work the starboard side of that. No, he's only worked

1942
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 1: the port side of that knife port side left.

1943
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, four letters.

1944
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 4: Do you get think of people telling you're doing it

1945
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 4: all wrong?

1946
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? If I just came by and saw you doing

1947
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 1: it more, he's supposed to do one side then the other.

1948
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pass this around. I just kind of went

1949
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 3: went fast on this. But you're gonna feel there's no

1950
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 3: burr on the USA made side, and there's a burr

1951
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 3: on the mk C logo side. Uh, And we're just

1952
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 3: feeling straight across that and you'll feel it.

1953
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,879
Speaker 2: And this is great. I love it already.

1954
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 1: No, listen, man, you gotta bring back.

1955
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait to try that.

1956
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah for sure.

1957
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 3: And so if if that blade was a lot thicker

1958
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 3: and saying a lot worse condition, I would have a

1959
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 3: stone with more grit, like the like the stone that

1960
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 3: I gave you is like two twenty grid or something

1961
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: on that other side. If you don't have a belt

1962
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 3: grinder or something aggressive to go to, you can just

1963
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 3: move material there and re establish your flat and your

1964
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 3: angle that you need and then flip to the other side.

1965
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 3: And you're just at that point you're just hogging away

1966
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 3: material and you're trying to establish you know, because people

1967
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 3: will use like ceramics and a lot of these really

1968
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 3: find stones, and over time they're not removing any steel,

1969
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 3: and that edge is just coming down in further. It's

1970
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 3: more round and pretty soon you've got like nothing left.

1971
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 4: What's your opinion on the electric.

1972
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 3: They're fine, like like workshop has. I think that ken

1973
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 3: Onion edition like belt zander kind of addition that's essentially

1974
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 3: the poor version of like the grinder I'm using, like

1975
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 3: a heavy duty grinder. The problem I have with them

1976
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 3: on like a new knife of our knives is our

1977
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 3: knives are so thin, like this blade, you're gonna you're

1978
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 3: gonna take off ten sharpenings or more worth of steel

1979
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna take off in one Yeah.

1980
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Ground the tip off kind of like rounded the tip

1981
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: on one of those.

1982
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 3: Did you I was gonna say, you can make a

1983
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 3: mistake all of my knives.

1984
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 9: Hmm, I said, we're describing all of my knives.

1985
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 1: There's there, they've come flat.

1986
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 3: Do you feel it?

1987
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Hey? What's your general take on diamond owners versus stone?

1988
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 3: I don't really have any I mean to me, they're

1989
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 3: all I can make whatever work.

1990
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: So you don't hate diamond.

1991
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 3: I don't hate diamond. I I I tend to like

1992
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 3: the feel of the stone better. But maybe that's because

1993
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 3: that's what I've used since I was twelve.

1994
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: Got it so feeling it?

1995
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if diamond diamond also is it's kind of

1996
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 3: nice where you don't have oil and water and all

1997
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 3: the mess.

1998
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: But you don't use water on diamond.

1999
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 3: No, most of those are dry, but you do take

2000
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 3: water and like scrub them up and clean them up.

2001
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

2002
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 3: And like with this you can see on here there's

2003
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 3: like grit, so these these stones will load up. It's

2004
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 3: it's it's carving away steel and you're leaving that steel

2005
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 3: on your stone. So in the middle, I'll pour a

2006
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 3: little water on here and just kind of clean it

2007
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 3: off because now I've got I mean, it's like putting

2008
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 3: a new piece of fresh sandpaper on the sand.

2009
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: And that you want to come over here, cop a

2010
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: feel phil that.

2011
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 4: Materials just filling in the gaps. All that like steel

2012
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 4: is just in there filling the gas it is.

2013
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it loads up. It's like if people sand on

2014
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 3: a on a project at home with sandpaper and your

2015
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 3: sandpaper starts getting full of stuff. Yeah, if your sandpaper

2016
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 3: is not necessarily totally dull yet, it's just loaded up.

2017
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 3: So if you clean it, you'll bring some life back.

2018
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 3: So now I've done that side, I'm gonna go to

2019
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 3: the opposite side and just do the same thing. A

2020
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 3: weird city and I always do the standing.

2021
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: Now Here's what Here's even though I've been mimicking the

2022
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: style you taught me, here's where I got a little bit.

2023
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Here's where I needed a refresher. Is how do you

2024
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: know when you haven't just rolled it over the other way?

2025
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 3: Well, that's I mean, you haven't. You're not going to

2026
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 3: roll it over. I mean, because like right here, I

2027
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 3: can feel a really heavy burr out here, but I

2028
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 3: don't have anything back here. Okay, so you're not You're

2029
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 3: not just gonna roll it over.

2030
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, if you, let's say you did

2031
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: that for a day, aren't you gonna have.

2032
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 3: It be well, you would end up you would if

2033
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 3: you did it for a full day, you would just

2034
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 3: end up with like a wedge.

2035
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 11: Isn't that the purpose of like a leather It's a

2036
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 11: line that.

2037
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to because like right now, I have

2038
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 3: a really good bur out here. There's no sense in

2039
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 3: me taking more life out of my knife here. So

2040
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna work this inch and a half right.

2041
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Here, and you don't run the risk of going one

2042
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: or two drokes too many and just rolling at the

2043
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 1: other direction.

2044
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 3: No, no, because the next step that we do is

2045
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 3: gonna account for that.

2046
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: The why why you ignoring the why ignoring the tip now?

2047
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 3: Because I already have a burr and you're monitoring where

2048
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 3: you're at. Yeah, So, like I already established a really

2049
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 3: nice burr in my first like ten passes here, but

2050
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 3: back here I didn't have it. So there's no sense

2051
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 3: in just just taking steel away here for the sake

2052
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 3: of taking it away. I have what I'm looking for.

2053
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to hear and now I've got it after

2054
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 3: I just did those passes there. So now to your

2055
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 3: guys's point, I'll kind of balance it out right, So

2056
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a full pass, kind of hard

2057
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 3: like I just did it, and I'm gonna flip it over.

2058
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: No, he's doing the left a full pass.

2059
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 3: And now I'm left and right. Every time, I'm still

2060
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 3: pushing hard, Okay, pushing hard, and then what I'll start

2061
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 3: to do is I'm going to start to lighten my pressure.

2062
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 3: I'm still pushing, but it's it's getting lighter and with

2063
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: each pass, I'll do a pass on each side and

2064
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 3: then I'm now I'm lightning even more and you can

2065
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 3: hear it in the stone right.

2066
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were putting some ass into it early.

2067
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 3: I was, and now its basically as hard as you

2068
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 3: can push early.

2069
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2070
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 3: Is this something that you developed over time or is

2071
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,440
Speaker 3: this like a known tech? I learned this from Tim Hancock,

2072
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 3: a legendary knife maker that passed away from from MS

2073
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 3: but Parkinson's I'm sorry, but he taught this twenty years

2074
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 3: ago to knife Show and it was like it resonated

2075
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 3: with a bunch of us. So I'm I'm like the

2076
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 3: weight of the blade right now, M so like basically no,

2077
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 3: no weight. So now that last pass was right here,

2078
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you even with that last super light pass,

2079
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 3: I've got a burr on this edge but not over here.

2080
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 3: So what's going on on that last pass? I am

2081
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: even though it's the way of the blade, I'm chasing. Yeah,

2082
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 3: that burr left and right and right now. I just

2083
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 3: did a pass here, so I have a burr to

2084
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 3: this m case side of the of the edge. So

2085
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:14,759
Speaker 3: that's where this leather strap. If you'll hold that in.

2086
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Let me see that thing. Let's hold it up for everybody.

2087
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have these that Francesca Teton Leather down in

2088
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 3: Idaho makes these for us. They're on our website. But

2089
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 3: I have an ancient one hanging on my nail in

2090
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 3: my shop that I think was my grandfather's.

2091
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 1: But no reason your belt, a leather belt wouldn't work.

2092
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 3: No, I take my leather belt. I think I did

2093
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 3: it in your house. Yep, I use my leather belt.

2094
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 3: So I have this burr here and I'm going to

2095
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 3: actually demonstrate you can be the evidence of this. If

2096
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 3: I go this way, I leave like no tracks. Yep,

2097
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 3: see that I come this way. Oh yeah, look at

2098
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 3: the scratches yep. Can you guys see the scratch line

2099
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 3: kind of there? So that's telling you that that little light,

2100
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 3: my microscopic burr is just laid over to the left,

2101
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 3: and that's where a lot of times retouching your knife

2102
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 3: up in the middle, you might just be unloading that

2103
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 3: burr like think of loaded up sandpaper. A quick pass

2104
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 3: on your stone one side and back the other, and

2105
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 3: you pull some of that fat and crap out of

2106
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 3: your of your burr, and you realign that burr right

2107
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 3: down the middle.

2108
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never thought of that. That you're kind of

2109
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 1: cleaning those you're cleaning those teeth.

2110
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 3: You can see those, they're still there, right yep. I'm

2111
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 3: pushing kind of heart on this side, and then I'll

2112
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 3: just go to this side. And now I've got I

2113
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 3: can feel it dragging us a little. I have it

2114
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 3: on both sides and I'll just kind of balance it.

2115
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to take too much of this off,

2116
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 3: because that burr is what I want for uh, for hunting.

2117
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 7: You guys want to come up a couple of inches

2118
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 7: the mike arm is in the way there.

2119
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've we've just come back and forth

2120
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 3: across this strap and I'm done with it now, so

2121
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna feel it. Yeah, I mean that's smoking sharp.

2122
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 3: So an evidence of that. If you guys want.

2123
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 4: Impressing.

2124
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm surprised you haven't. Hair.

2125
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 1: I know, he'd like have denude to all the real

2126
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:15,879
Speaker 1: estate man, so.

2127
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 9: He'd had to be like, he probably doesn't use me

2128
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 9: do my bell, doesn't he doesn't do this for every podcast.

2129
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, kind of considered hair Farmers.

2130
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

2131
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 3: You can and you can test like back here that

2132
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 3: is amazing here versus like like right at the belly

2133
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 3: versus like out at the tip and it's still you

2134
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 3: can see the hairs popping.

2135
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 1: And again listen that Okay, that was dull. It was dull.

2136
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 1: I checked it, everybody checked it. It was dull. And this

2137
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: is a this is a work sharp bench stone.

2138
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 3: It's called at It's just a wet stone, a.

2139
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Wet stone, but it's it's it's nohow man, It's not

2140
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 1: like it doesn't it's no how. You can try to

2141
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: buy your way into it with contraptions and stuff, but

2142
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 1: you cannot beat that.

2143
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you had done that beat without us

2144
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 4: bugging you, it would have taken you a couple of minutes.

2145
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could just real quick.

2146
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 2: Yea.

2147
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 3: So think about it, you said, I think it was

2148
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 3: your grandfather or something with his stone.

2149
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: That's all dished out, my dad's stone. Ill.

2150
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, no YouTube, no Instagram, know whatever. And you sit

2151
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 3: around at night every night you come home, sit down

2152
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 3: your chair, Well, let me.

2153
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 1: Share something with you. But it has knife weren't half

2154
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: as sharp as that. Now, I what I was serviceable,

2155
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: but they weren't like that.

2156
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 3: What I want you guys to feel. When I feel

2157
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 3: an edge, I don't feel straight across. I mean that

2158
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 3: that doesn't tell me anything. I'm actually when I'm feeling

2159
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,440
Speaker 3: this edge, I'm across, but I'm also almost I'm sliding

2160
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 3: my finger just a tiny bit, and you will feel

2161
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 3: that little birr wanting to bite. So that's the burr.

2162
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 3: As a hunter, you want something when you pass it

2163
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 3: across that hide or hair or meat, it is biting in,

2164
01:49:58,800 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 3: it is digging in.

2165
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 1: That's not a thing people would naturally think of. If

2166
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 1: you picture a really sharp knife, you'd imagine it being

2167
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,480
Speaker 1: just like under microscope that it's smooth.

2168
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 4: Sliced, but it's like a microscopic serirated steak.

2169
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: Correct, it's a saw and that's what's gonna give you

2170
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: the longevity and the feel of like got I use

2171
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 3: I've been using this thing and it hasn't been going

2172
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 3: dull or I'm still using it after so long. It's

2173
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 3: because those teeth are wearing down. But you still have

2174
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 3: some life. And you know, like there's cutting competitions and

2175
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 3: stuff out there, and you see guys like put a

2176
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 3: silk piece of silk up and they'll chop a piece

2177
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 3: of silk in half. Well, that's that's not a honety

2178
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 3: knife edge.

2179
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm you're talking about like a piece just.

2180
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 3: Like a silk scarf. Right, it's hanging there, just dangling

2181
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 3: in the air. There's no tension cut through. Yeah, when

2182
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 3: you like chop through it, I mean it has to

2183
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 3: be an absolute razor to get through that. But you

2184
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 3: put that on moose hair, it's gonna suck. Uh. You

2185
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 3: take a razor blade, take a razor blade from home,

2186
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 3: depot new out of the package, and run it just

2187
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:06,000
Speaker 3: straight across moose hair. It's not gonna cut it now,

2188
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,799
Speaker 3: it'll cut the crap out of your skin, his skin soft,

2189
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 3: but that you want those microcerations biting that. So if

2190
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 3: you feel this edge and you feel along it, it's

2191
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 3: gonna feel toothy and bity like it wants to get you.

2192
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I.

2193
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 2: Know, I'm gonna go home. I know sharp some knife.

2194
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 3: Gonna go home and ruin all of our kitchen knives.

2195
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: No, you're not Randall. Come on, you're gonna you're gonna Well.

2196
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 3: I need a I need practice. I'm gonna get out.

2197
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get all the knives from the camper and

2198
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sharpen the camper knives. No, it's not complicated,

2199
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 3: and it's a it's what I want, people, I want.

2200
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 3: The whole idea of passing your stuff down is like,

2201
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 3: how cool would it be if do you have kids?

2202
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 3: How old are they young?

2203
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2204
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 3: Two years old? You use the you know, a couple

2205
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 3: of knives for the next twenty years, and you personally

2206
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 3: sharpen them, and you wear that thing down to where

2207
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 3: it's a half inch shorter than it is now, and

2208
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 3: it's maybe you send it back to us now and

2209
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 3: then we reset it. But you pass that thing down,

2210
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 3: it tells a story like when you pass down a gun.

2211
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 3: I have a black powder gun sitting on my shelf

2212
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 3: that my grandma gave me that we don't know where

2213
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 3: it came from, but it was clearly used in like

2214
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 3: Civil War era. It's all beat up and the stocks

2215
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 3: beat up and chunked out like it was old and

2216
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 3: she got it. Yeah, and you just wonder, like, God,

2217
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 3: what's this thing been through? What's it seene?

2218
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2219
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 3: You know, And that's the thing like when people bring

2220
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 3: me stuff and they're like, you can tell where their

2221
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 3: grandpa fixed the handle on it, and you know, sharpened

2222
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 3: it forever and wore it out.

2223
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 2: I recently cleaned out my garage and sold a bunch

2224
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 2: of stuff at a garage sale. The things I did

2225
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 2: not sell were my knives.

2226
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep thom knives and guns.

2227
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's great, man.

2228
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 4: Would you do? What would you do differently? Sharpening like

2229
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:09,600
Speaker 4: good kitchen knives, same.

2230
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 3: Process, basically the same thing. But what I would do

2231
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 3: at the end is I would flip over on the

2232
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 3: stone and I would probably take a few passes on

2233
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 3: that six thousand grit side side and it would just

2234
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 3: make it finer. Sometimes cutting some of the veggies and

2235
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 3: stuff like that. That nice fine edge tomato skin and stuff.

2236
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 3: But this edge would work just fine in your kitchen,

2237
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 3: but you'd probably like for like a push cut. You know,

2238
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 3: this is like a pole and a slice cut where

2239
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 3: those teeth are. You're putting those teeth to work like

2240
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 3: a saw versus a polished edge where you're just pushing

2241
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 3: through veggies stuff like that at least amount of resistance.

2242
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: So Josh and I worked on We worked on it.

2243
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: We've worked on a couple, but two are available. We

2244
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: worked on one. We worked on a Knifehi was the

2245
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 1: first time I've ever gone through this process on a

2246
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 1: Honting knife. Yeah, we worked on a honey knife, which

2247
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: we came up with the term of the stub horn,

2248
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 1: which is an old term for buffalo. But walk through

2249
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 1: like how you approached the collaboration process because I don't

2250
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 1: know the first thing about metallurgy.

2251
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we talked a.

2252
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 1: Lot about what I'm after. Blade thickness, well, not so

2253
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 1: much thickness, blade shape, handle shape, blade length.

2254
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but use case. I mean that that kind of

2255
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 3: lends to thickness, right, Like you know a blade that

2256
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 3: you can use, you know, a hard working knife, right

2257
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 3: like if you're going to break down a buffalo. You know,

2258
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 3: you're probably going to use a blade that's a little

2259
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 3: larger in size, a little thicker in dimension if you're

2260
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 3: working through joints and some of that stuff. But yeah,

2261
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 3: we we started talking, and you know, I've always been

2262
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 3: a fan of the show and a fan of your

2263
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 3: of yours, and for us to be able to work

2264
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,240
Speaker 3: with you on this was very, very exciting, and we

2265
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 3: talked through I I really wanted your input. I don't

2266
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 3: want to just make a knife and have you put

2267
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 3: your signature on something. So it's why it took over

2268
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 3: a year. Frankly, probably was here a year and a

2269
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 3: half ago.

2270
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you sent we sent back a bunch of

2271
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: what do you call it when you make the blanks?

2272
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did like three D prints.

2273
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: So because I was hung up on one of the

2274
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 1: things I'm hung up on about it is is I

2275
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: like them to have I like a pretty fine point

2276
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 1: yep for making opening cuts YEP, Like I don't like

2277
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: a really exaggerated version, be like the beaver skinning knives,

2278
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:36,160
Speaker 1: which have that that it's almost like a half like

2279
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 1: a like a quarter.

2280
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 3: Circle, almost bullnosed like. Well, the other thing you were

2281
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 3: you were talking about was like the ergonomics of the handle,

2282
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 3: Like your handle's much different looking than most of our knives. Uh,

2283
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 3: the other unintended.

2284
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm not holding it like you picture like a boat,

2285
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: like you picture a boy knife. Pick it up. You're

2286
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna try to kill somebody with it, right, I'm not

2287
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: most of the time. I'm not holding my skinning knife.

2288
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm not like gripping it like how you imagine if

2289
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 1: you were going to stab somebody with a knife.

2290
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 3: You're more pinch gripping it.

2291
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in all different it's upside down, it's right

2292
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: side up and sideways. I'm holding it this way, I'm

2293
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 1: holding it that way, do you know what I mean?

2294
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 3: It's more like a.

2295
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: You're not I'm never grabbing it and doing a whole

2296
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 1: job like that. I'm using it in a bunch of

2297
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: different positions, right, you know, it's like it's rolling around

2298
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: in your hand or this or this or that whatever.

2299
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 1: The cool thing is going to be shape where it's not.

2300
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: The shape isn't that you're totally committed on a certain grip.

2301
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 3: Up is up and down is down, and you can't

2302
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 3: exactly it's.

2303
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: Something that you're rolling around that you're rolling around in

2304
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 1: your hand that's comfortable in a bunch of positions and

2305
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 1: has some ass to it. Yep, fine, a fine working point.

2306
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 3: The shape of the shape of that handle. You The

2307
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 3: unintended thing that kind of happened that I noticed as

2308
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 3: it came together was, uh, very few handles, you know,

2309
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 3: I guess most of the most of the knife that

2310
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 3: I see out there, certain sized hands fit a knife

2311
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 3: really well. But then like guys with big hands, it doesn't.

2312
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 3: Or maybe a guy with a smaller hand is like, well,

2313
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 3: it works, but it could be smaller. The shape of

2314
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 3: that handle kind of works with all people's hand sizes

2315
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 3: the way because there's no like point that comes down

2316
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 3: on the handle. That handle allows even a guy with

2317
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 3: a really I handed it the other day to a

2318
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 3: guy with a freaking huge hand and he was like, us,

2319
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 3: is really nice. It's actually comfortable because usually like the

2320
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 3: you know, the point of the bird beak of the

2321
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 3: handle is like stuck in his palm because of the

2322
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 3: size of his hand, and he gets wear spots, you know,

2323
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 3: like blisters.

2324
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,880
Speaker 1: The other thing we did was we fluted. I use

2325
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: the term flute because it looks like a close point

2326
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 1: fluted the part of the handle that comes up to

2327
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 1: the blade, what do.

2328
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 3: You Yeah, it's more of like a what do you

2329
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 3: call it, like a like a thumb ramp scallop. Yeah,

2330
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 3: which again that's in that pinch grip. I don't know

2331
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 3: why we don't have one sitting here, but a good

2332
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 3: that would have been a really good marketing idea.

2333
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I was waiting for the big yeah you.

2334
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 5: Real quick.

2335
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 3: Uh. That's why I have a business part of it

2336
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 3: as a marketing and I'm not in charge of it.

2337
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:09,839
Speaker 5: Uh.

2338
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, like if your thumb is right here, if

2339
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 3: you're in a pinch gript situation, and we'll show it

2340
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 3: when he brings it in. But like a lot of times,

2341
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 3: you want more control over that blade. You have your

2342
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 3: finger on the top, you know, and you're getting in

2343
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 3: doing fine work again, that caping work and some of that,

2344
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 3: but you're pinching that side of that handle with your thumb.

2345
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 3: The other cool thing is is like I asked you

2346
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 3: and you were a little back and forth one way

2347
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 3: or the other. Didn't seem to matter either way. But

2348
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 3: the whole lanyard, whole idea. You know, some people it's

2349
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 3: really really important to people, and others it's not. And

2350
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 3: so we we We did put that as an option

2351
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:46,839
Speaker 3: in there because we do have a lot of people

2352
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 3: they get worried about losing them, which they really don't

2353
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 3: need to with our sheaths, but some people want to

2354
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 3: tie it off to their gear or they'll tie a

2355
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 3: lanyard around it and have it on their wrist when

2356
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 3: they're using it.

2357
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, all your sheaths come with with a

2358
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: I guess like a belt, like a belt clip.

2359
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a Kaidek sheath that that blade really snaps

2360
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 3: into position. Those are those are molded to that knife. Yeah, uh,

2361
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 3: we do that right in our shop. We take a

2362
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 3: lot of care and really getting those right. And they

2363
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:18,600
Speaker 3: have an adjustable screw on them retention wise, so you

2364
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 3: if that over time it starts to loosen a little,

2365
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 3: you can tighten that screw down and get it tighter again.

2366
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 3: But it's got a belt loop clip on it that

2367
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 3: we make that you can actually put that knife on

2368
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 3: your belt and take it off without undoing your belt

2369
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 3: or or like over your pack strap.

2370
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. The way there's sheaths work, I don't recommend you

2371
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,560
Speaker 1: do this the way there's actually I got it right here.

2372
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: You could take the way the knives here I'll show it. Well,

2373
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 1: I want to tell it too, But the way the

2374
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: knives go into the sheath, I don't recommend you do this.

2375
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 1: You can throw this off a cliff, yeah, and go

2376
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 1: down there and find it. It's gonna be in the sheath. Yeah,

2377
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: it's not gonna it doesn't pop out. So here to

2378
01:59:55,400 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: listen to the satisfying noise. Yeah, you can tighten it,

2379
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 1: loosen it.

2380
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:04,720
Speaker 3: That's the noise I like. I mean that snaps so here.

2381
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: Here we are again, hell and yeah, yeah.

2382
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that now that that's nice.

2383
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's in that thing.

2384
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 3: And the reason that we you know, it bothered me

2385
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 3: over the years. I'd go in a store and you know,

2386
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 3: you look at a knife, you might think it's kind

2387
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 3: of nice, and then you're and then you're like, well,

2388
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 3: let me see the sheath, and they hand you this

2389
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 3: afterthought piece of shit. The people designing the knife did

2390
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,080
Speaker 3: not think about the guy carrying it. Is he going

2391
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:36,880
Speaker 3: to be in brush and Canada or Alaska or Montana.

2392
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,520
Speaker 3: You know, I want you to carry your knife available

2393
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 3: for use. I don't want it stuffed in the bottom

2394
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 3: of their pack. You know you can. None of us

2395
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 3: really want to have to fight a mountain lion or

2396
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 3: a bear with a knife. But at least if it's

2397
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 3: it's available on you, you have it, not to mention just

2398
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:57,040
Speaker 3: being handy for use. If it's buried in your pack,

2399
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,320
Speaker 3: you also maybe get out there and you shoot a deer,

2400
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 3: you unload your pack and realize, oh, I left that

2401
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:05,240
Speaker 3: knife in my truck. If it's if it's clipped on

2402
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 3: your pack and somewhere out on the exterior, you're gonna

2403
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 3: see that that got especially that knife with this color. Uh,

2404
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:14,919
Speaker 3: this is the first time we've done that blaze orange.

2405
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean, because that was the other thing you were like,

2406
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't always.

2407
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:22,000
Speaker 1: I need to have a visual reminder to pick it up. Yeah.

2408
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 1: I like the orange, like to pick it up. And

2409
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 1: I like the big the it's got like a fat

2410
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: ball on it.

2411
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the and and it's got a guard on it.

2412
02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 3: That's the other thing as far as like keeping you

2413
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 3: from slipping your hand up on that edge.

2414
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: Another thing I was commenting on when we were designing

2415
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 1: it is you know that deep notch sometimes that's got

2416
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:43,560
Speaker 1: a name. You told me the name I forgot.

2417
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that plunge grind.

2418
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like that to be too exaggerated because

2419
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 1: it hangs up on stuff.

2420
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're actually talking about like the sharpening choil

2421
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:55,920
Speaker 3: right there, and what that gives you is a little

2422
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 3: spot uh to start like, actually this knife does not

2423
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 3: have it, And as you sharpen a blade down you start,

2424
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 3: the edge starts to get below this little point here,

2425
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 3: and it can be hard to get the corner of

2426
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 3: your stone in there and start. That gives you a

2427
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 3: lot of years of sharpening that blade before that notch

2428
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:17,960
Speaker 3: is completely gone. But like Steve said, it gets too

2429
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,240
Speaker 3: aggressive and it's hanging up on hide and you know,

2430
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 3: some of the sinew and some of the stuff and

2431
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,440
Speaker 3: meat can be a challenge in there. Those grips are

2432
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 3: g ten, so it's a synthetic material fiberglass and epoxy

2433
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:36,440
Speaker 3: resin and those are titanium screws so that that thing

2434
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:42,400
Speaker 3: is absolutely bulletproof, you know. You know, I love like

2435
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 3: we were talking when we started the podcast about like

2436
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 3: hardwoods right for bow building or whatever. There's nothing cooler

2437
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 3: than a beautiful piece of hardwood on a knife. It's

2438
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:56,720
Speaker 3: the unfortunate reality is you know, cold heat, blood water

2439
02:02:57,240 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 3: over the years.

2440
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 2: Take care of them expand contracts.

2441
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this G ten is I mean, it's going

2442
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 3: to last to the end of the earth.

2443
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 2: It's hard on equipment though.

2444
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 3: What's that G ten? Oh yeah, yeah, it's tough. It's tough.

2445
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:13,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to shape it.

2446
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like bansaw blades things like that.

2447
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 3: Is that fiberglass?

2448
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I love this thing though.

2449
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 3: Man, good, that's awesome.

2450
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 1: Yea, this is the stub horn.

2451
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 3: Well then we got this.

2452
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 1: This is my hunter for the rest of my life.

2453
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 1: And then we we worked out of smaller you know,

2454
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 1: people call them birden trout knives, but like a like

2455
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: a caping knife, like a detail work.

2456
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 3: Knife, yeah, or like even trapping like small.

2457
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 1: Animal Hence the name of the flat tail.

2458
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a cool name. You came up with that one.

2459
02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a cool ass name after a beaver.

2460
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

2461
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 3: And so this flat tail again that like you say,

2462
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 3: that detail work being able to really choke up even

2463
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,800
Speaker 3: with that as we talked about, it's got the same

2464
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 3: feature as the stub horn, with this kind of thumb

2465
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 3: ramp here where it really thins down so you're your

2466
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,080
Speaker 3: thumb can be really right against the side of that blade.

2467
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 3: Pinch in here and you can really get in tight

2468
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 3: and do like that really fine detail work, and you'll

2469
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:11,440
Speaker 3: find I guarantee a lot of people that break down

2470
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 3: whole el can deer with this thing. You know, some

2471
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 3: people like more of a tip. That knife has a

2472
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,640
Speaker 3: little more belly, but it still has enough of a

2473
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 3: tip to be functional. And uh there again a bit

2474
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 3: of a guard on it. It's it's this is a

2475
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:26,960
Speaker 3: cool little knife.

2476
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. The stove horns got some ass to it in

2477
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: the flat does like your delicate knife?

2478
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.

2479
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean this pair together, this pair together, if you

2480
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:38,400
Speaker 3: had this for doing your detail caping or what kind

2481
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 3: of detail work, and then that knife for just hard use,

2482
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean ripping through the sternum of a deer or whatever.

2483
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, that knife's going to do it.

2484
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,800
Speaker 1: That's one thing about your knives that that people talk

2485
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 1: about but actually works, is you Yeah, amount of deer

2486
02:04:55,720 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 1: it's like, holy shit, man, Yeah, it's it's it's wild. Yeah,

2487
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: well it's almost alarming.

2488
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no need to carry out.

2489
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:04,640
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

2490
02:05:04,680 --> 02:05:06,440
Speaker 1: That you can actually because you know you actually do

2491
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 1: that just like very effortlessly.

2492
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2493
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just rip right up through a white tail

2494
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:13,080
Speaker 3: right up to the well to the throat and then

2495
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't ruin it. No, you know, I cut a

2496
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 3: hole my daughter's elk last year. I cut the whole

2497
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 3: elk in half with my speed goat, which is basically

2498
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,400
Speaker 3: the same size blade as this, you know, through the

2499
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:27,920
Speaker 3: spine there again, I'm not chopping through vertebrae. You're finding

2500
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:31,959
Speaker 3: those soft areas. You're finding that connective tissue in the joints,

2501
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,600
Speaker 3: just like at the you know, the legs and whatnot.

2502
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:37,280
Speaker 3: When you're taking the bottom of the legs off. You know,

2503
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 3: you don't need a saw. You can break down a

2504
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:42,560
Speaker 3: whole animal with that stub horn or this flat tail

2505
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 3: without a saw. Oh yeah, easily.

2506
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So those the the flat tails are going to

2507
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 1: be available on mkc's website.

2508
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:53,120
Speaker 5: Yep.

2509
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 3: I think depending on when this drops, it may be

2510
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 3: even the weak of this podcast.

2511
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 1: Rin. Yeah, so you can go to Montana Knife Company

2512
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 1: website find all their stuff, check out the flat tail

2513
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,160
Speaker 1: knife were talking about. And you guys usually have you'll

2514
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of different hand four different handle.

2515
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 3: Collers, well actually have.

2516
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:15,000
Speaker 1: Seven, seven handle calls.

2517
02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 3: Yep, So this one and then our six and yeah,

2518
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 3: you know they're gonna end up for sale as well

2519
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 3: as on the meat Eater site.

2520
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:25,560
Speaker 1: We'll have some of these on the medater site. Eventually

2521
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some of these horns on ours.

2522
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 3: The thing with us, you know, it's been a it's

2523
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 3: been cool, but it's been sometimes I think frustrating for customers.

2524
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 3: I saw a comment on YouTube the other day is like, oh, great,

2525
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 3: you did a knife with Ranella. No, we're never going

2526
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 3: to be able to get one because our stuff has

2527
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:49,520
Speaker 3: been selling so fast up to now. You know, it's

2528
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:52,640
Speaker 3: this is the challenge of growing a business. And I

2529
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,760
Speaker 3: started this in twenty twenty is in my garage and

2530
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 3: it was me doing everything and then my kids, like

2531
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 3: my fourteen year old daughter at the time she's eighteen now,

2532
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:04,040
Speaker 3: was helping me grind handles and I was doing these

2533
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 3: high end knives. I knew nothing about production, but I

2534
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 3: built this company with my business partner, Brand and the

2535
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 3: two of us bootstrapped it entirely. Didn't borrow any money,

2536
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 3: We didn't take on any outside conglomerate money. But what

2537
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:19,720
Speaker 3: that meant was we could only afford to do so

2538
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:22,960
Speaker 3: much at a time, which it kind of took off

2539
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,120
Speaker 3: so so much that like by the time we would

2540
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 3: drop knives, they would sell super fast. So you know,

2541
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:32,600
Speaker 3: hopefully as we continue to grow, you know, we expand

2542
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 3: our production more. I mean we've hired. We now have

2543
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 3: sixty five employees. Oh ok, yeah, so it's not that

2544
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 3: we're not hiring, not growing. We just bought land to

2545
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:45,560
Speaker 3: build a new manufacturing facility. We're going to start building

2546
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:49,400
Speaker 3: that this fall. We're still making knives in my backyard

2547
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 3: at my property, which is I think it's really cool

2548
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 3: because it shows the American dream is still live and real,

2549
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:57,280
Speaker 3: Like you can start as a hobby. I was a

2550
02:07:57,320 --> 02:08:00,840
Speaker 3: full time lineman for Northwestern Energy and I was making

2551
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:04,680
Speaker 3: m case knives at night, and here we are today.

2552
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 3: So the point is is over this next year, we're

2553
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:10,160
Speaker 3: going to have more and more of these knives available

2554
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 3: through our site and through yours. But in the beginning

2555
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 3: here for the next little while, you better be Jonny

2556
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 3: on the spot when they see, like, if they see

2557
02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 3: an announcement that you guys are dropping them or that

2558
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:21,520
Speaker 3: we are, they're gonna probably go quick.

2559
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's always struck me as funny that you guys

2560
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:27,320
Speaker 1: have the aspiration of someday having it be that your

2561
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:28,640
Speaker 1: knives are always in stock.

2562
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well we we we kind of learned that

2563
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 3: it's a challenge when when you're dropping them once a

2564
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 3: week and then it's it's a Monday, and it's you know,

2565
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:41,080
Speaker 3: your kid's birthday a few days later, and you're like, oh,

2566
02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:42,720
Speaker 3: I need a knife, and they go to our website

2567
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:45,920
Speaker 3: and there's nothing there to buy. So getting in stuff.

2568
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:48,080
Speaker 1: We'll take some of your most favorite designs and make

2569
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:49,240
Speaker 1: them available all the time.

2570
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've been working on that. We we have

2571
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 3: knives in stock today of a couple of a couple models,

2572
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 3: but they kind of come and go. But honestly, it's

2573
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 3: been cool just because the support of the outdoor industry,

2574
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 3: the hunting industry, you know, like we grew up through

2575
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 3: the Total Archery challenge, the support of the American worker

2576
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:12,240
Speaker 3: because they literally followed me from the day January first

2577
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:13,960
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one. I shot a video and put

2578
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 3: up on my Instagram like I just quit my job.

2579
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 3: I'm chasing him case full time, and then Brandon I

2580
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:22,720
Speaker 3: didn't take a paycheck for six months after that. That

2581
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:24,360
Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty one. Now we're in the middle

2582
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:27,240
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four and here we are and what

2583
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Speaker 3: we got going. So it's it's really really cool, and

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02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 3: I hope people take what we're doing and chase it

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02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:38,200
Speaker 3: and do it within their own passions around the country.

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02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:39,960
Speaker 3: Like it's it's hard, it's a lot of work, but

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02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:40,640
Speaker 3: it's possible.

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02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 1: American elbow grease man, yep.

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02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:47,280
Speaker 3: But so the support of you guys is awesome. And

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Speaker 3: we have some more stuff coming out later. I think

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02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 3: that we'll chat about later, but for sure we got

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02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 3: to get you over and let you heat up a

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02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,840
Speaker 3: blade and put a magnet to it.

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02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 1: I still think it's a lie. That's true, it's a lie.

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02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:08,440
Speaker 1: Well thanks for the knife sharpening lesson man.

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02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely appreciate it.

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02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:10,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys that are just listening, go on YouTube

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02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 1: and watch and it'll change your sharpening game if you

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02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:21,120
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you know, the feeling you buy a knife.

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02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 3: In that first cut, it's all downhill and like you

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02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 3: might think, you.

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02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:28,440
Speaker 1: Know in your head you're like gonna get it back,

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02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,120
Speaker 1: but you're kind of like, but I just know that

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02:10:30,240 --> 02:10:32,560
Speaker 1: was the sharpest cut that one's ever gonna make.

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02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like buying a boat.

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02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, day once and nicest it'll ever be yeah downhill

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02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:38,120
Speaker 11: from there.

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02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. You're like, there was the sharpest cut that

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02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:43,640
Speaker 1: knife will ever make, and imagine getting where you thought. Nope,

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02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 1: that knife's got sharper cuts in its future.

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02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 3: I'm still just staring at that shiny bald patch on

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02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 3: your arm. I mean you you.

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02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:53,800
Speaker 1: Can go get a tattoo for that hair.

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02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:58,120
Speaker 2: Is that why your beards all nice trimmed?

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02:10:58,480 --> 02:10:59,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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02:10:59,480 --> 02:11:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, carr a little cosmetic mirror with him so you

2619
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 1: can do it.

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02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 5: Is funny.

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02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 3: It's always my left arm because I don't dare try

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02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 3: with my left hand.

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02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:14,160
Speaker 1: All right, man? Once again, Uh Josh Smith from Montana

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Speaker 1: Knife Company, Thanks for coming on. Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

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02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 14: Up before the fog sucks, boods gear.

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02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 5: Read for the slog through the midst of.

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02:11:56,440 --> 02:12:05,360
Speaker 14: Outside. We're wincing glass and on through all things stead

2628
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:13,960
Speaker 14: of steps hes. It brings all the way soul take wings.

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02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 13: Chandelier three hundred under arm, midday sun bright light, seal East.

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02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:40,839
Speaker 14: Calm, Busy is a quiet cloud.

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02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:45,360
Speaker 1: Chandelier three hundred under.

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02:12:45,160 --> 02:12:56,080
Speaker 12: The arm undone steps out of the road, Trophy head quality, behold.

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02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 14: Still breath measured flice more a beauty years bold stead

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02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 14: a step piece.

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02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:12,680
Speaker 4: It brings.

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02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:14,800
Speaker 5: All away.

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02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:16,920
Speaker 12: The soul.

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02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:18,040
Speaker 3: It sings.

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02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:30,400
Speaker 14: Chandelier three hundred under arms. Kneel beside the fallen soul

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02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 14: to feed first respect which present cold carry the air

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02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:41,240
Speaker 14: colds home