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Speaker 1: In text with Technology with tech Stuff from dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to Tech Stuff. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, Executive producer. I love all things tech and

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Speaker 1: today I've got a real special treat for you guys,

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Speaker 1: or at least it was a special treat for me.

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Speaker 1: I got to talk with the creators of Homestar Runner.

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Speaker 1: It's a flash based web cartoon, uh network. Really, when

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Speaker 1: you think about it's not just a series or lots

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Speaker 1: of different little offshoots that came out of it that

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Speaker 1: premiered in the late nineties early two thousand's, and anyone

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Speaker 1: who was around on the Internet of those days probably

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Speaker 1: as at least encountered some sort of reference to the

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Speaker 1: Homestar Runner universe. And uh, Mike and Matt Chapman, the

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Speaker 1: Brothers Chaps, came into the studio and we got to

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about how they got into this and

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Speaker 1: how it evolved over time and where it's going in

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Speaker 1: the future. So sit back, relax, and enjoy this interview

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Speaker 1: with the Brothers Chaps. I am overjoyed to be joined

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Speaker 1: in the studio by Matt and Mike Chapman, also known

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Speaker 1: as the Brothers Chaps. The creators of Homestar Runner as

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Speaker 1: well as many other projects. And uh, it's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a fanning out, geek out moment for me. I've

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Speaker 1: been a fan of Homestar Runner since before I was

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Speaker 1: working at How Stuff Works. And really it's great to

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Speaker 1: have two people here who they there work preceded the

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Speaker 1: age of YouTube web series because YouTube didn't exist when

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Speaker 1: you guys launched Homestar Runner. And anyone who has been

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Speaker 1: on the Internet for any length of time has at

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Speaker 1: least encountered Homestar Runner references if they're not deeply familiar

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Speaker 1: with the incredible lore and mythology, the the the deep

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Speaker 1: legends of Homestar Runner that have found their way into

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Speaker 1: all sorts of other mythos. I mean, you're part of

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Speaker 1: the Buffy verse, guys, Yeah, that was somehow We're responsible

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Speaker 1: for the Doge meme, even though we didn't really have

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Speaker 1: anything to do with that. Yeah. Well, and you have

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Speaker 1: a you have an incredible couple of bonus tracks on

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Speaker 1: Guitar Hero two which have confounded me on numerous occasions. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're the influence just keeps on going. But

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Speaker 1: for people who have never seen a Homestar Runner cartoon.

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Speaker 1: They they're not familiar with it. I can't wait. Don't

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Speaker 1: bother at this point, you missed the boat. Sorry, guys.

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Speaker 1: Just go go to know your meme dot com and

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Speaker 1: dope find stuff. No, I want to hear from you guys,

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Speaker 1: because I'm really curious to hear your elevator pitch for

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Speaker 1: what is Homestar Runner. Homestar Runner, I like the Mattsford

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Speaker 1: brow right now. It struggles with This is a series

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Speaker 1: of animated shorts following the exploits of non humanoid, ageless

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Speaker 1: h organisms that have uh that interact with one another

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Speaker 1: in meaningful and humorous ways to the delight of several

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Speaker 1: of literally dozens of people. Uh. That's the elevator pitch.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we just did this ourselves. That any

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm starting to get get a glean of

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Speaker 1: the the marketing brilliance exactly that has been part of

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Speaker 1: home Start Runners since the very beginning. So I know

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Speaker 1: you guys have talked about this in other interviews, but

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Speaker 1: I would love it if you could kind of walk

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Speaker 1: people through the origin of where this all came from,

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Speaker 1: because it's all I mean, I know, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a mishmash story because home Star Runner itself ends up

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Speaker 1: came up of a local Atlanta ad spot. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So our friend Jamie Huggins was nicking a Kroger or

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Speaker 1: we're also like, Jamie, what is the Homestar Runner? And

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Speaker 1: born one day and made a story involving the Homestar Runner.

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Speaker 1: This is great because you know, it's it's the sort

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Speaker 1: that essentially the reason why Homestar Runner exists as a

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Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday came around and we're like, we don't have

428
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Speaker 1: no ideas for this strong bade email, we have to

429
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: make one, and then you just kind of have to

430
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: power through. Yeah, um, which is it wasn't really that

431
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: big of a deal. But like, if it wasn't for

432
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: the expectation that was there, you wouldn't have on it,

433
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean it's tough when you're trying,

434
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: when your goal is to entertain someone and it feels

435
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: like you know you're gonna have to push through it.

436
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: Then that adds that extra layer, right, like you're like,

437
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: it's not just that I need to do it, I

438
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: need to do it and make someone laugh and I'm

439
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: not having I don't want to be doing Yeah, yeah, um,

440
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: but I mean that's I think working in that the

441
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: way we worked where most of the stuff we did

442
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: we made in the forty eight hours or so before

443
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: it was you know, thrown out into the world. You know,

444
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: we made most everything from Friday to Sunday. Um, So

445
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: it was a double edged short. I mean sometimes it

446
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: was terrible. You know, probably the results were terrible. But

447
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: other times you use that same energy and it's like

448
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 1: if you sit there for two weeks and overthink things,

449
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna talk yourself out of something that's some

450
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: dumb idea that you know could have. You know, drog

451
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: door for instance, is probably something that you think about

452
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: it long, and I was like, I don't know, maybe

453
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: we can just maybe he shouldn't have this beefy arm

454
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: sticking out his back that when you gout, you know,

455
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before you're gonna put it, let's leave it in,

456
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: let's do it. It's a design choice. At this point. Uh,

457
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: we also had the I feel like we had the

458
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: luxury of being able to do kind of whatever we wanted.

459
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: And so even if there are those times where we

460
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: were like out of ideas, for a strong bad email

461
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: or something. That's when we'd be like, well, let's do

462
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: an old time what do we want to do. Let's

463
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: do an old timing cartoon this week, Let's do uh,

464
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, we invented like eighties hair metal band for

465
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: the Homestar Universe. We invented a like indie rock band

466
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: because that's kind of where we were in high school

467
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: and college, and so it's just sort of like, I

468
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: just want to make it like indie rock song. This week.

469
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: It's was like, all right, let's invent a band and

470
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: put it in a cartoon and then that's you know,

471
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: so we it was kind of nice where we just

472
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: have to stop thinking of like we're delivering this formula

473
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: everybody and a lot of you know, especially if it

474
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: wasn't in the form of a strong bad email. I'm

475
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: sure there were fans that were disappointed, but it was like,

476
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: all right, well that's what you gotta put up with.

477
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: For like I, I didn't get burned out and hated

478
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: the thing that you like that I do because I

479
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: got like re energized by taking a little flight of

480
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: and see or whatever and doing something kind of um

481
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: out of our normal wheelhouse or whatever, um, and so

482
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: I think that we would um employ that I think

483
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: a good bit too, kind of helped stave off any

484
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: sort of burnout where it was just like, all right,

485
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: I should have shut up, because like, not only do

486
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: I get to make cartoons for a living, but I

487
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: got to like blow off making cartoons and go do

488
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, makeup game like eighties hair metal song this week?

489
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: So but yeah, and you guys also had stuff on

490
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: the site that went beyond like you like the games

491
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: are a good example. There were various interactive elements on

492
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: the website. Besides games and little sound boards and things

493
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: like that. You had the live action Troug Door uh trailer,

494
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorites. And partly because I

495
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: know some of the people were, I was like, se

496
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: so fun and uh, that's the beauty of living in Atlanta.

497
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: And you guys got to to work with some great

498
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: Atlanta talent, which I I imagine is is just exploding

499
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: at this point because we've got so many things happening

500
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I'm sure that opens up a lot of

501
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: different opportunities as well, um, which is fantastic. But I

502
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: also want to thank you guys for this idea of

503
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: being able to branch out and try different things and

504
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: and open up different universes, because I like to imagine

505
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: that it was one of those weeks where we got

506
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: blessed with Teen Girl Squad, which is probably my favorite

507
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: of all of the variations that have come out. It's

508
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: one my wife and I still quote consistently, so we're

509
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: always happy whenever we get a teen Girl Squad. Uh. So,

510
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, the popularity of Homestar grew and grew and

511
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting that you guys were you know,

512
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: you weren't really focused on the analytics. It's not like

513
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: you were, you know, watching those counts, like you know,

514
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: there are people who are are obsessed over that, whether

515
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: it was back in the old web days where you

516
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: had the little visitor counter that would go up by

517
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: one little digit counter to go up every time, or

518
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: now it's obviously like YouTube views and subscriptions, that kind

519
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: of thing. It seems like that was never really, uh,

520
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: something that you guys were terribly focused on or concerned with.

521
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: You were just you know, looking at the content and

522
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: creating that. Yeah, and we didn't want we sort of

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: actively didn't look at that because we didn't want you know,

524
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: if we did something that we liked that it maybe

525
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: didn't get the views. That's something else, like we didn't

526
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: want that to affect like Okay, let's just make another

527
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: trout door or make another stinco man or something. So

528
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: we would actively sort of try to distance ourselves from

529
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: knowing what was hitting and what wasn't, just so that

530
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: we could so it wouldn't mess with the creative process. Yeah.

531
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: We talked to uh YouTube a couple of younger YouTube

532
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: guys a few years ago, and uh they were talking

533
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: about how like, you know, they used the live thing.

534
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: There's like a live analytics thing on YouTube, like you

535
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: can upload your video and then right then it's showing you.

536
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: It's just like any other you know, Google analytics thing

537
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: where you can see who is watching it right now

538
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: and if they and you know, if they commented. I

539
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know if you know exactly who did what comment.

540
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: You know, they're interacting with the comments or liked or

541
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: they did the thumbs down or whatever, or the moment

542
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: they stopped watching. Yeah. Yeah, and so he said it

543
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: was like it's like he's immediately watching this like focus group,

544
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: but this is not. He didn't he's not testing this.

545
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: This is he this guy just made this thing and

546
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: uploaded into the world, and now he's having to like

547
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: watch this judgment happen like user and time. And I

548
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: was just like, how can you do that? He's like,

549
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: I know it's terrifying, but I can't, like I can't

550
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: look away, Like I just like embraved as part of

551
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: the process. And I'm happy that we didn't even we

552
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: were just for a long time. It was um, I

553
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: mean it was this will sound like a humble brag

554
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, but it was like we actually were doing

555
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: crazy enough amounts of traffic that are I don't know

556
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: if it was just that our web hosting guy was

557
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: like lazy and didn't want to like compile these logs.

558
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: So we could see that, like because we occasionally we

559
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: would ask were like, so what can we give us

560
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: our actual numbers and stuff like what are we doing?

561
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Um and uh, and he'd always be like, it's gonna

562
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: take like a couple of days because it's all these

563
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: like log files and it kind of like chokes on them.

564
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: And so we just never had those numbers. So I

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of feel fortunate that we didn't, because I think

566
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: we could have obsessed over that stuff, and now it's

567
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: carried into even though we are you know, we're putting

568
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: stuff on YouTube now and have a Twitter account and

569
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but like we just don't care. I

570
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: like it kind of helps inform, uh, those decisions now

571
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: where I don't think we'll be affected by it, even

572
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: though it seems like that is the way that if

573
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna make money on this stuff, you need to

574
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: like get a million viewers, and you need to have

575
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: ad revenue and all that stuff. But it's kind of like,

576
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm not sweating that even if it's

577
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: not sure, it's not like crushing if we put up

578
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: a new cartoon and it doesn't hit well. Yeah, I mean,

579
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: like again going back to the example of not not

580
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: putting all your eggs in one basket. With the YouTube example,

581
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: we've just seen YouTube change their policies that in my mind,

582
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: really hurt people who who specialize in short form content

583
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of the metrics that they're using is

584
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: the number of collective hours watched per given amount of time,

585
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: like per month or whatever. And obviously, if you're producing

586
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: short form content, you need to have way more people

587
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: watching your stuff. To get that collective number of hours up.

588
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a comment on the quality

589
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: of the content so much is just the quantity of it,

590
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: which seems kind of backwards to me. Yes, and now

591
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: if you just I didn't realize that that's I knew

592
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: there was a change recently. Yeah, it was something along

593
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: the lines of life. I think. It's like, in order

594
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: to even be considered for monetization at this point, your

595
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: videos need to have achieved something like four thousand hours

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: worth of viewing time, which obviously, if you're doing short

597
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: form and even if you have an engaged, dedicated audience,

598
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: you've got to write a whole bunch of different episodes

599
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: or or instances in order to achieve that. Whereas if

600
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: you are someone who maybe you you record a two

601
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: hour or three hour gaming session and you upload it

602
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's a proven audience for that

603
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: content because it's three hours, and because a lot of

604
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: those people will watch the entire three hours and material

605
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you rack those alums video and you're set, you right,

606
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: just watch it yourself. It's just wow, Like I remember

607
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: when that little black spot was an orange and uh,

608
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: now here we are and then it's just desiccated into nothing. Um,

609
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: this isn't good, but it's consistent. Uh yeah, it's it's

610
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: it's well again. A great reason why why going into

611
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: any one platform is a bit of a you know,

612
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: a danger, because you might you might end up having

613
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: a policy change that you have no control over. And

614
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: it's not that your stuff isn't great or that it

615
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have an audience. It's just that because the rules

616
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: changed above you, you suddenly have a door closed in

617
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: your face, which seems kind of unfair for anyone who's

618
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: not like a big time content creator, like one of

619
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: the one of the superstars. Um. And obviously YouTube has

620
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: gone through numerous changes over it's it's history. I did

621
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: a three part series about YouTube recently and really talked

622
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: about how it's changed dramatically. So there's no guarantee that's

623
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: going to keep that policy. Maybe if there's enough resistance,

624
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: they'll change it again, but it's one that draws concern

625
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: from people who maybe they want to get a start.

626
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: They have an idea and they want to indulge in

627
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: that idea and they hope that it brings delight to

628
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: others and maybe one day they can make a living

629
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: out of it. But it's it. Not only is discovery

630
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: difficult now, but when the rules change like that, it's

631
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: difficult to even get to the point where you can

632
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: start monetizing it. You guys, however, had this monetized your

633
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: your stuff through mostly through merchandise and without advertising. Uh.

634
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: That was also interesting to me because like I own

635
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: some homestar runner stuff, but it was the sort of

636
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: thing that I went and searched for, as opposed to

637
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, watching a cartoon where halfway through it tells me, hey,

638
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: by the way, if you want a shirt that has

639
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: that funny thing that's strong bad just said you need

640
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: to click the sleeks here or even at the end

641
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: where they wouldn't have really been obtrusive in anyway. Our

642
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: dad always wanted us to do that, and we were

643
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: always to our street cred was too valuable. Yes, yeah,

644
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: we kind of shot ourselves in the foot. We admit

645
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: that now. Amazed that people found because it's almost like

646
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: the store was this easter egg that you had. If

647
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: you really searched for a hung Star shirt, you could

648
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: you could find it. It. Like we were very reluctant

649
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: to well it's funny in like two thousand one or two. Uh,

650
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 1: we were approached by someone from Hot Topic. And this

651
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like they walked up to us, was like a

652
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: contract for like, hey, we want to join you know,

653
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: your your characters into T shirts and make millions of dollars.

654
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: But they weren't starting a conversation that could have led

655
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: to any you know, any different variation of that scenario.

656
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: And we just wanted nothing, you know, we didn't want

657
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: to do it, and we we kind of pitched him like,

658
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: oh what if we did these other kind of weirder

659
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: like jokes from our website that weren't like the characters,

660
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: like they want to do Team Girl squad shirts and

661
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: this other stuff, and and we ultimately said no. And

662
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I forget who I was talking to, but it was

663
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: got small, not like an audience I was talking to,

664
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: but there's a lot younger kids, and I like I

665
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: said it thinking that. Uh. I was like yeah, Then

666
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: we got approached by hot Topic and like, you know,

667
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: so of course we said no to that. And then

668
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: they were all just like stared at me, just like

669
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: why did you say no to that? And I was

670
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: like it was hot hoppic. Hot Topic came to us.

671
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: I was like you like that would have just killed

672
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: us instantly, Like it's like, yeah, maybe a bunch of

673
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: kids would have bought stuff and whatever, and they're like yeah,

674
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: and you would have like made a million dollars. Well

675
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that, and uh and then I probably

676
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: would have hated what I did after that, And they're

677
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: just like, that was a bad decision. You made a

678
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: bad decision, and you should have put your stuff in

679
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: hot topics good to have life life lessons. It comes.

680
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I get I like to think that

681
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: the homestar runner is therefore responsible for they shut up

682
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: and take my money. Mean, but but I mean that

683
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate that too, because again, it was that sort

684
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: of uh philosophy, that sort of it. While it wasn't

685
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: something that was being overtly stated, it was something that

686
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of fans appreciate it, and you know, taking

687
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: the effort to try and find a way of supporting

688
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: was great because it was it was a show early

689
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: on that you know, I think a lot of stories

690
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: about internet content focus on the negatives, like the idea

691
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: of people who don't want to pay for content, so

692
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: they find work around so that they can get it

693
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: for free. But the opposite is also true, where you'll

694
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: find people who are encountering content that is seemingly being presented.

695
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean there's no there there's no advertising, you know,

696
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: there was there's nothing where there was like a donate

697
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: button or anything. It was like there's a store and

698
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you could go there and you could purchase things. And

699
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: they said, you know, I want to support the content

700
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: creators that I love and the stuff I love. I

701
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: want them to keep making the stuff because I'm enjoying it.

702
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 1: And it tells you that there's there's really a place

703
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: for that too. And of course now we see platforms

704
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: like Patreon that have come out to do more direct

705
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: supportive artists that have proven that point that there are

706
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: people who are willing to do that if you give

707
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: them the opportunity. Right. We've had people tell us like, yeah,

708
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: about ten Homestar Runner shirts I never wear, didn't after

709
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the second one. I didn't need anymore to support you. Yeah, Well,

710
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: and people will say like, you know, I have I've

711
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: purchased enough merch Like I'm not. It's not that I

712
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: don't love you, but I don't need any more T shirts. Uh,

713
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: can you please start a Patreon or something, so I

714
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: can give you some money every once in a while

715
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: when I want to. I just don't need another homes uh.

716
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: And so that's that's good to hear that people are

717
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: willing to do that. Every kid at my local elementary

718
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: school now has a homestore Runner exactly the thrift store

719
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: my stuck. But that's a that's a great I mean,

720
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: that's a great story because it tells you that what

721
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: you have created has actually had a meaningful impact on people.

722
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: And I know it sounds weird to call it a

723
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: meaningful impact when you're talking about a world that has

724
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: a character called the poop Smith, But it's true and

725
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's great because it's again, I think it

726
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: illustrates that positive side of the internet. We so well

727
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: so quickly focus on that negative side, and it's good

728
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: to have something you can point out and say, well,

729
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, look at this. It shows that if you

730
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: have the structure in place, and if you have the

731
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: right content in place, people flocked to it and people

732
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: want to support it. And you guys have also you know,

733
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: I mentioned you know, you were incorporated into the Buffy

734
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: verse in an episode um You've got you had lots

735
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: of references in various types of pop culture. What was

736
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: that like seeing the thing that you had created start

737
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: to get referenced by by other like like pop culture icons,

738
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: everything from and they might be giants, I mean, you know,

739
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: making music for you. That one was pretty amazing because

740
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I was we were huge. They might be giant fans

741
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: giants fans growing up. So when they emailed us, that

742
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: was pretty mind blowing. Yeah. Um, yeah, we heard from

743
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the Buffy thing I think was like somebody in Fox

744
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: was like, hey, don't see us. We they don't like,

745
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: nobody here knows what you guys are, but don't we

746
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: We put a drop door reference in this upcoming episode.

747
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Josh is a big fan and they sent us there

748
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: or no, it was it was it an entertainment weekly.

749
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: There was some picture that they referenced there was he

750
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: had a strong bad shirt on and like on set

751
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: of something he was shooting. Um, and so that was

752
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: really cool. Uh but yeah, that was at the time.

753
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: That was that was pretty mind blowing, just to know

754
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: that it's like, Okay, so people outside of you know,

755
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: whatever weird world we thought we existed in as far

756
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: as fan bases go, people were finding that stuff, and

757
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: we've since found out things like UMU. At that time

758
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: when it was a friend of ours worked with Damon

759
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: Lindelof and said that he it was like me and

760
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: jose Weeden would get in trouble. I was supposed to

761
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: be writing Lost episodes and we'd been quoting strong backing

762
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: each other something. I was like, holy crap, watching when

763
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: you were wasting time watching when I was making that's amazing.

764
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Um So that kind of stuff has been super cool.

765
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: What was the show those that show the Magicians that's

766
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: on now? This was It was nice because it felt

767
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: like a little a nice little like a bookend to

768
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: the like Buffy thing where I guess they referenced Trong

769
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: Door and I think it's the season to finale or something,

770
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and I actually haven't even seen it. I just people

771
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: everybody told me what the SENDI little clips of it

772
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, which that's always so it's it's always cool

773
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: to see that stuff. Yeah, and then that actually led

774
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: to other things like collaborations where you guys did uh

775
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the animations for um uh for They Might Be Giants video,

776
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: which is fantastic, And and you've appeared on well, yeah,

777
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: we've done several collaborations with them, the characters have appeared

778
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: on stage where they might be giants, because I've been

779
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: to some of those shows and the variety of playoffs,

780
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: and that was always a joy, uh to the point

781
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: where you I would imagine that was part of the

782
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: inspiration for them to come up out with their band,

783
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: the Them band, the sock Puppets. They where they would

784
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: wow when I would see that come out, and it's like,

785
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: this is this is mind boy, this is happening right now.

786
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: Um and uh and seeing seeing Home Star and Strong

787
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Bad in Uh in person is always a big thrill

788
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: for for me. Despite it's so weird to say that

789
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: out loud to the people who actually made that, but

790
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true. So you you go through, You're you're

791
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: doing the the series it's got you know, it's got

792
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: some some not just just fan support, but it's also

793
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: blossoming in various areas of pop culture. We see trock

794
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Door get into Guitar Hero two, which is still another

795
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: amazing thing when that when I found out that that

796
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: was a bonus track, I was so thrilled Immediately, I

797
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: was like, this is my quest to master Door. That's

798
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: solo by the way impossible, and you want to know something,

799
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: this is what. We didn't find this out until later,

800
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: or I think we knew it, but we didn't realize it.

801
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: So we played as Limousine, the band that plays other

802
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: ones live, and so the we play with these guys

803
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: that are in this band yacht Rock in another band

804
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: called Saved by the band um and are uh. They

805
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: learned the song and um And so our friend that

806
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: does that plays the guitar for us, Chris Harris, and

807
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: he learned the song. He's like, those really knows this

808
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: stuff as far as like squeally wanky guitar. It's all

809
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: like he's that's amazing. You can do the tapping. He

810
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff and it's incredible. And so

811
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: he learned tron door and then we came into practice

812
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: and he played it and he's like, nails that solo.

813
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: And then one of the other guys was like, you

814
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: know when we originally recorded that, because he wasn't on

815
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: that song, he was like, that's like that's keyboard was

816
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: just like played four notes yeah, and he was like

817
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: wait what and he was like yeah, no one can

818
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: play that fast. And he's like, oh, I learned it

819
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: so yeah, but so it doesn't. It didn't surprise me

820
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: when I learned that. I think we kind of told

821
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: the Harmonics people that at the time and they're like,

822
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: that's fine, we'll just make it the guitar solo and there.

823
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: And I've watched YouTube videos of people who have done

824
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: the perfect run on that on the hardest setting, and

825
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: it's just mind blowing. I can't I can't even I

826
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: can't see as fast as they're playing, which is the

827
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: craziest thing. But then we get up to about and

828
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: it was then when you guys were starting to get

829
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: other opportunities that that also we're pulling you away from

830
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: Home Star. And as I understand it, it it was getting

831
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: to a situation where it wasn't that you wanted to

832
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: to leave the series. It was that you were having,

833
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, other demands on your time, whether it was

834
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: family or it was other other gigs that were coming up,

835
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: and it just became one of those things where, uh,

836
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: week after week it just wasn't you just didn't have

837
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the time to dedicate to making more content for Homestar Runner. Uh.

838
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Is that is that more or less accurate for how

839
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: things turned out? Yeah, I mean, we had no idea

840
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: how long it was going to be either when we

841
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: matt second daughter was born. I think that was basically

842
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: when we when we stopped doing stuff and we didn't

843
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: know if it was going to be out. Let's take

844
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: a break for two months, yeah, four years. Well, and

845
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that, you know, you you take

846
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: those breaks, and then there are things come up and

847
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: and obviously you've got all these commitments on your time. Uh,

848
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: and and then you're you're thinking, well, how how do

849
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: I how do I communicate this to a fan base? Yeah,

850
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: and then at some point it was like, wait, we've

851
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: waited too long, or like is it weird to try

852
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: to say something when we don't know what we're saying?

853
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: We don't know, you know, like if we're gonna say, hey,

854
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: we'll do some Homestar stuff in a year, we you know, Yeah,

855
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: there was no definitive answer. And then at that time

856
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: we didn't know we had like a development deal at

857
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: Disney and a development deal at Nickelodeon, and we were

858
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: gonna make some Yo Gabba Gabba episodes and these things

859
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: that were just like that doesn't mean anything to a

860
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Homestar fan, and maybe we undervalue that maybe they would

861
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: have been excited to hear that stuff, but then it

862
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: was like that Nickelodeon thing went nowhere and that Disney

863
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: thing went nowhere, and so that would have been like

864
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: after the fact would have been like depressing, and I

865
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they were like, oh yeah, so they're

866
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Disney thing didn't work Outdan thing didn't work out, and

867
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: that like Nyo Gabba Christmas episode they directed it was

868
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: horrible and like, I don't know, so it just felt weird,

869
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: especially because we never aside from being like we intimated that,

870
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: like we'd had babies and so we're gonna take some

871
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: time off. That's kind of the only time Mike and

872
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I ever sort of inserted are like creator lives ensure

873
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: the fans heads. I mean, we always intentionally aside from

874
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: some like fake things on a DVD where we're like

875
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: spoofing how we make things, Um, we wanted us to

876
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: be separate from it. We never wanted to have the

877
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: like creator blog side of it, and definitely not the

878
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: like the way that most of the like YouTube personalities

879
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: are like even if their content is not that they're

880
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: like always after the facts, like hey, I'm the star

881
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: of the YouTube thing you just watched Remember to go

882
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: to the store and buy the new merch and blah

883
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: blah blah. It's always just like we didn't want to

884
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: be the face of any of it, you know. UM.

885
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: So it felt weird to then have that conversation, after

886
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: like never really talking to the fans as Mike and

887
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Matt Um at least through the website, to like give

888
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: a weird half ass explanation of like, I don't know,

889
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: we don't know that was, you know, And then that

890
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: just felt like I would be super unsatisfied if I

891
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: just gotta we don't know what's going on from the

892
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: creator of my thing that I liked, So I don't know.

893
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: We always apologize I we didn't to handle it right.

894
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: We didn't know how to handle it right, and we

895
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: like there was it was so funny. The day before

896
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: we put up UM the first cartoon we made in Forever,

897
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: which was this April Fool's cartoon in UM, I got

898
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: a somebody found my like personal email address a fan.

899
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: It sent this like pages long thing like tearing us

900
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: apart and saying that it's like radio silent yeah and

901
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: four and just being like, here's this what this meant

902
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: to me here like every week like it was. It

903
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: was like the first half was like super awesome fans,

904
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: in the second half was like and here's why I

905
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: hate you. Will never support anything you've ever done ever again.

906
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: And uh and like literally we're finishing up this cartoon

907
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: to send like to upload it like midnight. I get

908
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: this at like I don't know, seven pm the day before,

909
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: and I think I just I forget. I think I

910
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: wrote back and I just said like, hey, I'm so sorry,

911
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: thanks for being a fan, and just kept it vague

912
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: and sort of hoping that then that maybe that cartoon

913
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: would happen and that they would be like, wait they

914
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: listen to me an amazing turn the last half an

915
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: hour they made this cartoon. Um so yeah, So that

916
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: was the main reason we never we just the explanation

917
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: was never like exciting enough to like to like feel

918
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: like to like peel behind the curtain and be like, hey,

919
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: look behind here, we're making a new project, because none

920
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: of those projects ever really happened. Um so yeah. Oh sorry,

921
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: I was gonna say we actually made a strong, bad

922
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: sort of addressing talking to the fans about it. I

923
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: forget when that was. That was maybe six months or

924
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: so after we had stopped doing stuff and we made

925
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: this thing and then never ended up putting it up

926
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: because we were just like, this is weird. We showed

927
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: it one time at a conference we were at last year.

928
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I went over kind of weird. Yeah, I think we

929
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: made the right call. I think I think my favorite.

930
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm also fortunate in that because Lincoln live in Atlanta. Um,

931
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a frequent patron of Dad's Garage Theater, so

932
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I actually got to see the Special Strong Bad Email

933
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: theater because I've I've been supporting them since two thousand's

934
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: so I was there their old theater and when they

935
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 1: went to uh move into seven Stages for a while,

936
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: and now they have their new theater, and they that

937
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: was one of the things they showed one night, and

938
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: the crowd reaction when that came on was pretty phenomenal.

939
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: They showed that the Fox Theater. They had a special event,

940
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: a special fundraiser at the Fox Theater, and it was

941
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of a variety show of giving an example of

942
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: the sort of material that they would do, and they

943
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: showed the Strong Bad Special Email to Dad's Garage and

944
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: hearing the Fox Theater erupt an applause at a Strong

945
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Bad Email was something really special. I think that was

946
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: the second cartoon. I think that was the next thing

947
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: we made after that April Fools in two thousand fourteen.

948
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Was that, Yeah, strong Bad Email. So it had been

949
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: four or five years since we had made a strong

950
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: Bad Email. Was the reaction to that that April first,

951
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen video? Was that something that uh

952
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: was really gratifying for you guys because I know, at

953
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: least in my own personal circle of friends, when people

954
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: found out that there was a new home Star Runner

955
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: cartoon up, Uh, it went nuts on my Facebook page

956
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 1: and like it was like it was like what half

957
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: of my friends were sharing. UM, so I imagined like

958
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: when you you know, you've been you've been kind of

959
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: away from it for four years. Uh. Was it surprising

960
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: to you to see a reaction has gotten I think

961
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Gizmoto and some of the blogs and you know linked

962
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: to it. So that was surprising, and you know, yeah,

963
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: we didn't know. We just sort of assumed that the

964
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: few people that sadly still check Homestar runner dot com

965
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: entered this u r L into their um the yellow

966
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: keys of their mechanical because it was strong. But I

967
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: didn't have a Twitter yet or anything, right, I mean,

968
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: there's really no I guess we had a YouTube page,

969
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: but we didn't, so there was really no way to

970
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: communicate to the fans that hey, we've got this new

971
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: cartoon up and you went to the site, know if

972
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: anyone would really see it, and then if if then

973
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: people did stumble across it, if they would you know,

974
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: be excited about it or pass it on or whatever.

975
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: So that was that was cool, and that definitely led

976
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to it just sort of coincided with the fact that

977
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: I was I was living in l A at the

978
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: time when we made that actually and then we u

979
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: I but I knew my family was moving back to

980
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: the Atlanta area, and so the fact that Mike and

981
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: now we're going to be back in the same town again,

982
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: and that like it was like, oh, it seems like

983
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: people don't hate us and maybe want to see more things.

984
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: That just kind of was like, all, right, well, we're

985
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: back in the same town again, we shouldt least start

986
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: doing stuff as you know often as we can, um

987
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: between whatever other gig we were doing. Yeah, so since

988
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: then we've been doing home Star stuff, you know, every

989
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: few months, or you know, depending on what the other

990
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: stuff we're working on is. So sure, So what other

991
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: stuff are you working on? Since uh, you know, we

992
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: know that Homestar Runner is in good hands. It's going

993
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: to continue coming out and and and keeping opal ives

994
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: so that when we do that that jumped Home Star Runner,

995
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: there's a there's a good chance there's gonna be something

996
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: new there. But what else are you guys working on? Um,

997
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: we're just talking to for the first time ever, we've

998
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: been talking with adults whom locally here, which is and

999
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: so we'll see. We have no idea if that will

1000
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: go anywhere not, but we uh, we've known people that

1001
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: have worked on shows there, have known you know, creators

1002
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: of shows there and stuff before, but it never actually

1003
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: spoken with them. And it's actually it's it's great because

1004
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: there's a hilarious I think it's been debunked enough now.

1005
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: But for a very long time, if we would ever

1006
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: talk to people were not that we do so many interviews,

1007
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: but it would come up to be like and I

1008
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: heard that you guys stormed out of an adult swim

1009
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: meeting to them, and we're like, no, I mean, I

1010
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: don't know there was ever an overture either way, and

1011
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: we love that. We love that channel and you probably

1012
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: heard the hot topic story exactly. Um. But so so

1013
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: that's exciting. So for the first we were just like, yeah,

1014
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: they're down the street. It kind of makes sense, like

1015
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I moved to l A even though there was like

1016
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: an entire cartoon network you know here as well. Yeah,

1017
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: everyone assume when they find out we're from Atlanta, like,

1018
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: oh you guys, must you know, work with cartoon networking

1019
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: Adult swim And it's like, now we do stuff with this. Um.

1020
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: But so that's exciting. So we'll see where that goes,

1021
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: um and uh and what else And let's just we

1022
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: haven't been doing other homestar stuff. You have a couple

1023
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: of homestar like sort of top secrety things that will

1024
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: be revealing soon that will be exciting that we've been

1025
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: spending a lot of that take a lot of sort

1026
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: of build up time, secret time, secret time. Fantastic And

1027
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: I've been, um, speaking of Sierra Games. There's a park

1028
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: down at the end of my street, and so I've

1029
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: been making King's Quest style graphics of a couple of

1030
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: little parts of the park waterfall, and so I made

1031
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: this little King's Quest looking waterfall. Oh Man, does Roy

1032
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: Roy Roy Moss Senior Memorial Garden. It's called the garden

1033
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: and it is not a garden. Yeah, runoff retention. I

1034
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: guess that doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

1035
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's featured. It's heavily featured in The

1036
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Peasants Quest Live. Actually Janka Cave, Yeah, oh man and uh.

1037
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: I also have to give you guys props for two

1038
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: more X because I've been Yeah, so that was we

1039
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: did that with Disney for two years. We ended last

1040
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, summers or so. Um, but so that was

1041
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: really good. That was great. We made ninety shorts little

1042
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: shorts for Disney. Nice. That was our that was the

1043
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: last five we did. Yeah, that was our most fun.

1044
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: We did that with our daughters. Um so, our three

1045
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: daughters voices and so that was Yeah, glad you liked that.

1046
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: That was that was certainly fun to make. That was

1047
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: good to know too. We we actually get we get

1048
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: that back so we can actually try and take give

1049
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: Panda practice some more life. A bunch of the stuff

1050
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: we made for Disney like this they owned. Sure, we

1051
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: can sure anything else with but Panda Bractice is one

1052
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: of those few that's like, especially like meging cartoons with

1053
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: your kids, there's nothing better than that. So maybe maybe

1054
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: that'll find my daughters. Yeah, she's not gonna want to

1055
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: do that with you anymore. Now, it's just are going

1056
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: to be changing it. We're not gonna be able to

1057
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I recommend to my listeners if you have not seen

1058
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: the series two More Eggs, go to YouTube, and especially

1059
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: the Panda Bractice episodes. They are they are amazing. Uh

1060
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: and and they will make you want to play drums

1061
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: on people's faces. As as a local Atlanta too, did

1062
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: you did you get our lowest? Yes? As I was

1063
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, this is so clearly a

1064
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Speaker 1: beautiful homage to the Atlanta treasure of Lois rights us.

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Speaker 1: I've been hearing that voice forever and uh and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not meant in any sort of insulting. Well, I

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Speaker 1: hope I do it. I hope I it's respectful. I

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Speaker 1: I could tell as I was listening, like this is

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Speaker 1: this is someone who has genuine affection for that voice.

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Speaker 1: It's not making fun of that voice. And she's also

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Speaker 1: a friend of dad's garage theater. So sometimes you hear

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Speaker 1: that voice if you go to see a show there,

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. So again, that's the other thing I

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Speaker 1: love about about watching your content is that it gives

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Speaker 1: me another connection to my home, so it's always fun.

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Speaker 1: And to occasionally explain to people where certain little things

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Speaker 1: come from is always kind of fun too, because it

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Speaker 1: gives them a chance to go down that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: Uh the Internet was really created for. Ultimately, that's what

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Speaker 1: the Internet is, right, It's just just one giant black

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Speaker 1: hole of information. Um. One of the series we did

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Speaker 1: for two more exits called Truncoles. It's this fake British

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Speaker 1: show and so there's a part with some of the

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Speaker 1: Truncoles are local buildings like around Decators wonderful. Keep your

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Speaker 1: eyes open for the library at Decatur High School, which

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Speaker 1: is this weird sort of that's face that appears. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it. Well oh man, Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for coming on tech stuff and

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Speaker 1: spending this time. I really appreciate. It's been a thrill

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Speaker 1: for me and anyone out there who's not familiar with

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Speaker 1: with your work, they need to go out and seek

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Speaker 1: it out because it's that level of of surreal absurdity

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Speaker 1: that just the first time I think anyone watches anything,

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Speaker 1: they might just be confused. And then and then after

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to get it. And then next thing you know,

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Speaker 1: they've watched the same thing fifteen times. When you say,

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Speaker 1: you realize, there's nine right that you that you can

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Speaker 1: you prefer. You can really just jump around if you like.

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Speaker 1: But it's great. I can't wait to make um more

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Speaker 1: references with my friends. I really hope that we can

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Speaker 1: get that giant trog door uh portrait with the cutouts

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Speaker 1: over to the Georgia Renaissance Festival. I really think I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to the entertainment director. I know him, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see if we can go hitting somewhere like off like

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Speaker 1: in some forests somewhere we have to like I know

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Speaker 1: exactly where it should go. It's like it's like like listen,

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Speaker 1: I know it's a big hill, and I know it

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Speaker 1: looks like there's not much up there. You will find treasure, right, like,

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Speaker 1: trust me. Thank you so much for joining the show.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate. Thank you. Yeah, so that's it Tex Stuff,

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Speaker 1: Thank you tuning in. Well, my guests were a small

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1137
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