1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: All right, it's another episode of splash Hit. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm fp Santangel a former Giant legend in my own 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: mind and current Giant broadcaster. Susan Slusser has been doing 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: it for thirty years, senior writer for the Chronicle covers 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: of Giants, nice enough to join us again today. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: But before we get going, you guys have been great. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: We've been getting so much great response. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: We're already up to over one thousand subscribers, so subscribe 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: to splash Hit territory. Next goal is three thousand, then more. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: You guys have been amazing, The comments are great. You 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: guys are loving it. It's literally the best Giants podcast 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: or show ever. So today we have a special guest, SHANEA. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Rubin. She is a Giants beat writer for the San 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle. Nice enough to join us, Shana, how's your 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: off season going? What have you been up to? 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: Oh, it's good. Thanks for having me. It's been a 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: lot of you know, GM meetings, going to Vegas a 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: little bit, paying attention to all the massive overhaul that's 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 3: going on in the coaching staff, and it's been there's 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: been a lot of change. It's a lot to keep 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: up with with the Giants, So it's been pretty busy. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: How are you very pity for me? 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: Shane is my colleague and I haven't seen Shadea for 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: five weeks, so I have to do it this time. 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Were so a question for both of you guys right 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: out of the gate? Is the off season usually this 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: busy for you? 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: I mean usually you get a time to take a 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: deep breath, But it seems like this off season there's 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: been so much going on. 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: I feel like the second I left for London, like 32 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 4: everything it's insane. 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels busier because it feels like there's just 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: so many jobs to fill, and it feels like there's 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 3: just there's with with Tony Vitello coming in, it feels 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: like there's a whole new regime. You know, when when 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: in the regime is coming in, you're kind of trying 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: to keep up with, like, well, what is this guy 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: coming in me? What is this guy coming in me? 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: And so it's it feels like, uh, more of a 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: puzzle or something like that, or and there's so much 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: mystery surrounding it because Tony v is very mysterious. He's 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: from college Land. We don't know a whole few people 44 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: in Baseball know a whole lot about him, a major 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: League baseball at least. But also like when I was 46 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: in Vegas interviewing him, it felt like everyone walking by 47 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: knew who he was. So there's mystery, but also he's 48 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: a known entity, so it's it's busy and super super interesting. 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: So the Giants. 50 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: We got breaking news on the podcast today. The Giants 51 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: acquired Joey Weimer from he was dfa'd by the Marlins 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: for cash considerations. I know a little bit about him, 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: but dus In Shane, I don't know who wants to 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: go first here, but let's let's our thoughts, your thoughts 55 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: and what you've heard about Joey Weimer. 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a little bit of a tip off 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: that this was going to be happening, so I kind 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: of mentioned it on social media a while back, and 59 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: then we found out was cash consideration. So I mean, 60 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: I know, when a guys get gets dfa'ed, as he 61 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: had been about three days ago, I mean, it's not 62 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: gonna probably take up, but you know, he's a nice 63 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: depth move Joey Weimer, and certainly the Giants look very 64 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 4: intent on improving their outfield defense, as they should be SHANEA. 65 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: What kind of viber you getting from this move? 66 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: It feels very much like adding a great glove in 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: the outfield, because that's definitely they had one of the worst, 68 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: if not the worst. I think it was one of 69 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: the worst defensive outfields in baseball last year. It's not 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: surprising that it turned out that way. It looked pretty 71 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: ugly at times. And I mean Elliott Ramos, he tries 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: as hard as anybody, but he just had a little 73 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: bit of a down year, and Jung Hoolee was very 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: up and down, and right field was a carousel. So 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: they add justin Dean earlier in the offseason. That's a 76 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: defensive asset. This feels very much like they want to 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: have some options to look at when it comes to 78 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: upgrading that deficit. 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the guy that hits I think lefties pretty well. 80 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: It looks like throughout his career, certainly in the minor 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 4: league numbers and from people that I've heard from since 82 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: the Giants have talked, this seems like a guy who 83 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: Tony Vaytello will really like. A high energy like these 84 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: are the sort of things I think We're going to 85 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: get used to hearing. High energy kind of big personality, 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: you know, really like one of those guys at everyone 87 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: in the clubhouse likes kind of guys. So I'm very 88 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 4: much looking forward to seeing him. But I think we'll 89 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: be looking at probably a big group of outfielders during 90 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: the spring, and Shane and I feels like we'll be 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: writing we could write about an outfielder a day, Shane. 92 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have many on the roster right now, so 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: it'll it'll be worth catching up with each individual and 94 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: seeing what's going on. And they're very different in terms 95 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: of their defense. 96 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, Well, Susan broke the story. And I was 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: supposed to say that, and I forgot to say that. 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: That's a big deal in your guys world. So Susan 99 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: actually broke that story and everybody else's. 100 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: Retweeting it's a good job, Susan. 101 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: I talked to Viny Routino today, he's a broadcaster for 102 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: Milwaukee Brewers, and I said, tell me about Joey Weamer 103 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: and he said that he is just a hair on fire, 104 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Eric Burns, kind of Hunter Pence type of guy, super 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: likable in the clubhouse, great teammate, plus defender. He'll run 106 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: through a wall for you. He said, he's an elite 107 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: center fielder. Defensively, he's got a plus arm. The big 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: question with him has been his bat In Vinny. The 109 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: way he explained it to me, he said, you remember 110 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: Tony Phillips back with the Ages. You remember the big 111 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: hitch he had in his swing. That Joey Weimer has 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: that same kind of hit. So I think there's meat 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: on the bone there for as Buster always says, with 114 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: this guy, to improve his offense, but the Giants need 115 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: to get better defensively first and foremost. So number one, 116 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: you got a Drew Gilbert Tony Vaitello type guy that's 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: gonna play hard every day. You got a plus defender 118 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: in center field that's not scared. And then you got 119 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: a guy that's going to bring effort and attitude every 120 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: single day. So I think, you know, I remember seeing 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: him in Milwaukee, you guys, and I've been on that 122 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: trip the last three years with the Giants. He's either 123 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: really hot or really cold. He's either like ten for 124 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: his last twelve or oh for his last twelve. And 125 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: he's super streaky offensively. But the defense plays the way 126 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: he approaches the game plays, and I think this is 127 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: a sneaky good pickup for the Giants today. 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: Well, and you and I have talked about the possibility 129 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 4: of moving one of the other outfielders this offseason, Shana, 130 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 4: You've mentioned it in stories, We've talked about it. This 131 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: is yet another depth move. I know sometimes fans go like, 132 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: why even bother when you look at a guy's numbers 133 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: and he hasn't doesn't have a ton of major league time, 134 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: hasn't maybe like had any big seasons offensively. But every 135 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 4: team needs depth, but particularly if you're a team that 136 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 4: might look to actually deal from from your group of 137 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: outfielders also to maybe fill some other needs. So there's 138 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: nothing wrong with picking up a guy for cash considerations. Ever, 139 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: if you have the spot on your roster and you 140 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: don't have to hang on to him, Like, how many 141 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: guys have we seen added to the forty man come 142 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: off the forty man added to the You know, before 143 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: spring training starts there will be several we might never see. 144 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: Joe is just too you know, Joey's gonna run into 145 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: a wall. Every guy named Joey runs into things. 146 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: It's just just the way it goes, Shana. 147 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: You but you were at the GM meetings, Susan, You've 148 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: been there many times. Take us through, like what you 149 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: learned about the giants of the GM's meeting, the direction 150 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: they're heading in, did you get any scoops for us, 151 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: and what are the GM meetings like. 152 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: I've never been to one of those things. 153 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was relatively scooped free for me at least. 154 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: But the GM meetings are kind of I don't know 155 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: if you guys know much about I mean, Susan obviously 156 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: knows all about the Winter meetings, and I think baseball 157 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: people know all about how hectic they can get to 158 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 3: the GM meetings. It's just kind of like a much 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: more low key version of the Winter Meetings where there 160 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: are fewer people, fewer baseball people at least in Vegas. 161 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: It's like there's you know, people everywhere, So it was 162 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: kind of it was interesting having to navigate the bustling 163 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: casinos with the sort of in and out of of 164 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: the GM meetings and executive seeing them pop in out 165 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: of certain places. So that was an interesting dynamic. But 166 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: the GM meetings is it's sort of the beginning of 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: the off season, sort of like the official kickoff, so 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: everyone talks to their respective presidents and gms about what's 169 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: going on and for the next few months, And it 170 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of surprises with what Buster said 171 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: because he hinted to a lot of it when the 172 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: season ended, which is they need pitching. They want to 173 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: they pride, they want to be a team that is 174 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: built on pitching and defense. That's what is conducive to 175 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: the ballpark. That's what was conducive to what they when 176 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: Buster was winning championships a decade ago, so and the 177 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: pitching was They went into twenty twenty five with so 178 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: much depth. I mean, there was a conversation about, you know, 179 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: who's going to start between Kyle Harrison and Hayden Birdsong 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: and Land and Rupe and they kind of left with 181 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: Kyle across the country and Land and Roupe really establishing 182 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: a role and that last sort of spot being entirely 183 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: up for grabs and no one was able to claim it. 184 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: So and the bullpen, through injury and through trade, it 185 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: just needs to be completely rebuilt to a certain extent. 186 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: So that's a huge area of construction. Obviously, they have 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: really good pillars and Logan Web and Robbie Ray. That's 188 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: that's as good a foundation as you can get. But 189 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: and there wasn't a whole lot of I mean, Buster 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: doesn't tip his cards too much. When it comes to 191 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: where they're gonna look for pitching, He's obviously gonna say, 192 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: we would love to have the guys that we already 193 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: have step up, so we know they had a new 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: pitching coach. 195 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: Maybe they can. 196 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: Maybe he can do something with the Hayden Birdsong he 197 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: lost his confidence last year. Maybe they can sort of 198 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: pick up from from the group that's got a couple 199 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: of tryouts last season. But could also the free agent 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: classes interesting, there's not a whole lot of huge names, 201 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: but it's there's options there. So that seemed to be 202 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: not surprisingly the focus of the off season him. 203 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: All right, I want to take on the new pitching 204 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: coach for the Giants. 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Your 231 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on him? 232 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: Susan, Uh, Well, I mean I think we're we're seeing 233 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 4: some some clear messages about what they're looking for. Kind 234 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: of young go getters and guys who you know have 235 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: very good reputations for bringing along young pitchers, which is 236 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: great considering you know, we've we do have as Shana 237 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: mentioned Hayden bird Song. You know who's who've got at 238 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: a whack life last year and and needs to to 239 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 4: get back to where he was. I think this is 240 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: a guy they feel would do that. I I do 241 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: know Frank Anderson a little bit. Who's coming in basically 242 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: is like my understanding is sort of like a consultant, 243 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: but obviously worked with Tony Vaytello at Tennessee and was 244 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: beloved by the pitchers at Tennessee. And and you know, 245 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: look at the look at the giants with Blade Tidwell 246 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: at Sacramento. So Blade Tilwell basically might have essentially his 247 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 4: own pitching coach around to bounce things off of. So 248 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: I like it. Shannon, Shana, what what do you know about, uh, 249 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: the the new pitching coach sort of core here? 250 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think, uh he is he's been somewhat under 251 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: the radar, uh on this coast. But he worked with 252 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: Paul Skeen's in Pittsburgh. Uh, he worked with Jacob Mazarawski 253 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: and in Milwaukee with the Nashville Sounds. So that's the 254 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: I think that f he was telling a story that 255 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: he was had heard about some of the regiments that 256 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: that message brought from UH Pittsburgh to to Milwaukee. That 257 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: helped a lot with with some of their their big 258 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: guys development. So it feels very much like what Susan 259 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: was saying. It's it's an acknowledgment that they they want 260 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: to get some young not that. And this is not 261 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: to say that, uh the previous regime was not like this, 262 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: but it does feel like it's just sort of a 263 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: transition into a whole new thing. But they want guys 264 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: that are focused on development. They want they want guys 265 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: that are gonna get the most out of some of 266 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: the young guys that they have because they that's supposed 267 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: to be a strength for them is their pitching depth. 268 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: They're supposed to have all these options over the last 269 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: few years, and none of them have stuck. As I've said, 270 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: so it feels like it's it's interesting that this is 271 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: the guy that they've pegged along with Frank Anderson, this 272 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: is the guy that they've pegged to be the guy 273 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: that can usher them into the role that they're supposed 274 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: to be filling. 275 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Havis Law Mount visit sponsor on 276 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: canbrs in trouble because when justin message comes out, I'm 277 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: sure it's going to be something that has to do 278 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: with cell phones and messaging. 279 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: This year, I could. 280 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: Hear the sponsorships already, but I did a little research 281 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: on him, Shana, and he's he's apparently the guy that 282 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: got Paul Skimes locked in with you know that water 283 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: bag that he puts over his shoulder when he warms up, 284 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: and you know, I make fun of all that stuff, 285 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: being an old school guy. All the gizmos they have 286 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: in the batting cage now and. 287 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: What is he doing with that? For those of you 288 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: who don't know, this water bag is like it. 289 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: Goes over your shoulder and it's got water and it 290 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: sloshes around. In The principle behind it is to keep 291 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: your balance over the rubber so that if you get 292 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: one way or the other, the water's going. 293 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: To take you back. 294 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: But if you're balanced over the rubber, the water on 295 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: this thing when they're warming up, they don't actually throw 296 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: pitches with it. They just kind of go through the 297 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: motion and if they go this far, the water will 298 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: tilt you. So it has to do with your balance 299 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: and your core stability of staying over the mounds. So 300 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: Paul skiins if you watch his routine before he throws 301 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: a start. Cy Young Award winner in the National League, 302 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: the best pitcher in the National League, or one of 303 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: the best pitchers in the National League, justin message was 304 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: part of this. And then he worked with Misowski from 305 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: the Brewers this year and he was really rotational where 306 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: when he gets out of whack, he kind of falls 307 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: toward the first base side and falls off the mound. 308 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: And then he introduced this to him too, to where 309 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: it kind of stabilized him. 310 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: It didn't guarantee him that he was going to. 311 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: Throw strikes, because with Miserowski throws one hundred and two whatever, 312 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: and he's a little bit wild, but it locked him 313 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: in and got his mechanics in the right place. And 314 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: the best thing I've heard about him is he's a 315 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: player's guy. He doesn't have an agenda. A lot of 316 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: coaches at the major league level are about them and 317 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: promoting themselves and self promoters, and this guy just really, 318 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: from what I understand, has the player's best interest in 319 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: mind all the time, and he wants to do whatever 320 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: he can. He knows the analytics side, but he also 321 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: knows the people side. And also, you know, when you 322 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: talk about the Brewers and what they've a common, this 323 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: could be like viewed as a big loss for the 324 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: Brewers when I hear how great this guy is. So 325 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: I knew nothing about him, did little research today before 326 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: we came on here, and it sounds like the Giants 327 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: got a good one. 328 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 329 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of Brewers crossover these 330 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: days with the Giants for obvious reasons. Zach Manazzy And honestly, 331 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: why wouldn't you look at I mean, that's the organization 332 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: where if you've got sort of the personnel in the ballpark, 333 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: et cetera, that's an awfully good organization to kind of 334 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: look to. I think. So it's kind of fun now, Shane, 335 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: we're talking about the GM meetings. One thing I know 336 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: you did at the GM meetings was you had to 337 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: sit down with Tony Faitello, had a little one on 338 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: one with him, and wrote a really nice story about that. 339 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: What have your impressions been? I still have not met him, 340 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: which is so weird. 341 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: At this point. 342 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: It's it's interesting because like he's so it feels like 343 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: he's such a There's been so much written about him 344 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 3: because it's just so uh fascinating and still, as I said, mysterious. 345 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: So I wanted to sit down with him and try 346 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: to get to know him better just as a person 347 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: outside of the whole drama that surrounded his hiring, and 348 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: he kind of classified it as a drama a little bit. 349 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: I think he was pretty disturbed it and you know, 350 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 3: this is the big leagues. He's not college, and he's 351 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: pretty disturbed at the news breaking before he was ready 352 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: for it to break, and that kind of spiel. But 353 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: he's just he's such a He's exactly as advertised in 354 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: terms of his energy. He's kind of an open book, 355 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: but also, you know, kind of he's very honest. He 356 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: isn't trying to hide that, and I think I put it. 357 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: I did put in my story. He's not trying to 358 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: hide that. He doesn't really know how this is going 359 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: to go. I think everyone's just sort of saying, like, 360 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: oht Buster must be certain. I think Buster is certain, 361 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: but I think they're certain that this is an experiment 362 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: of sorts. And he's not the only young manager to 363 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: be hired this offseason. There's still some experimentation going on 364 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: across the league, kind of like a changing of the 365 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 3: guard of sorts, and he's not trying to pretend like 366 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: he knows everything. Maybe some stuff left on the cutting 367 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: room floor was him talking like, you know, I don't 368 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: know the ten best pitching coaches in Major League Baseball. 369 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: I'm gonna rely on everyone else to tell me. To 370 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: tell me that. So you know, you see Frank Anderson 371 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: come and that's the guy he trusted, but uh, maybe 372 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: messages someone that Zach or you know, the baseball people 373 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: around him are recommending. So he's very open about the 374 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: fact that this is he's a guinea pig. And I 375 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: think that it's the consensus is, well, Buster, it's he's 376 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: a guinea pig. But Buster and these these guys, they 377 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: they know what is gonna work. They see how the energy, 378 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: how the ruffling feathers factors is gonna could contribute to 379 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: winning and maybe change give them an edge that is 380 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: zigging while their teams are zagging elsewhere in terms of 381 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: how the culture is being built. So he was that 382 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: was sort of the vibe I was getting from him. 383 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: And also he's still he's still very much like in Tennessee, mode, Like, 384 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's a completely. 385 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: Different it's a huge change. 386 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: And he's still moving. He was just selling his house 387 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: and that he just bought in Nashville and or in Knoxville. 388 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: He was still going to the CMAS in Nashville. He's 389 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: still thinking about the recruiting. He wasn't explicitly saying it, 390 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: but you could still see that he was detaching the 391 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: little parts of his brain that were still in that mode. 392 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 3: So there was still somewhat of a detachment of the routine, 393 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: the intense routine that he was part of as a 394 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: college coach. And now he's like, you know, stepping into 395 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: the deep end, and he seems equipped to step in 396 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 3: the deep end. You kind of have to be in 397 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: this business. But it was definitely he was still you know, 398 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm in Vegas. I'm in these closed 399 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: door meetings with executives. I don't really know that well. 400 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: And it's it was interesting. It was a interesting conversation. 401 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on there. He's probably overwhelmed. 402 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: And in the day I talked to him, he was 403 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: very overwhelmed. Susan, I gotta be honest here, you and 404 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: I talked about him at length during games. We sit 405 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: next to each other, Shane, and we're all in the 406 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: same row. We all sit next to each other. 407 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: During the games. And Susan was doing a piece. 408 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: On potential new managers for the Giants and I threw 409 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: the name out there. 410 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: She looked at me like I. 411 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: Was nuts, and you've been kind of lukewarm on this thing. 412 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: And I and I think you should share your thoughts 413 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: with Giants. 414 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Fans about you're on board. Let me let me make it. 415 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: Just at the time, was like. 416 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: You're kind of old school. 417 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: You still you still have your doubts about this a 418 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: little bit. Can you share those with us just right now? 419 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think I touched it when when 420 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: we had Logan web on, you know, one of the 421 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: questions I asked Logan was, how do you think some 422 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: of the veterans gonna are going to respond, especially, you know, 423 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: when a team is in a dip if things are 424 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 4: like you know, know that every team has like there, 425 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: you know, a couple of weeks where they underperform. How 426 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: are veterans maybe going to respond to a guy who 427 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 4: has no previous pro experience, was a player, coach, manager? 428 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: You know? 429 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: Could that be an issue? And Logan. I mean, he's 430 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 4: not one of the only ones who's who's completely talked 431 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: me around on this. I mean, I've been sold really 432 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 4: since I heard Buster talking about many of the comments 433 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: I've heard from Vitello, although I still haven't talked to 434 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 4: him yet, so I will be. 435 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: London. You can't talk to anybody except for me. 436 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: I talked to him, Afie. 437 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll let you know what I think. 438 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: It seems that I'm really impressed with the energy. 439 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: And all of that. But it's unusual, you know. 440 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 4: When you're like throwing his name out, I was like, Okay, 441 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 4: f he's a college coach. Okay, that's kind of a 442 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 4: fun outside the box kind of thing to think. But 443 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 4: I was like, Buster, are so old school, you know. 444 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: That's what we kept going like, well last year when 445 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 4: Buster on board, we were like, he's going back to 446 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: doing things the old way, and he did in a 447 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 4: lot of cases. So that's kind of where my mind 448 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: was at that point. 449 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's going to be a process. 450 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: He's going to fail, and he's going to make mistakes 451 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: and he's going to learn from those because the game 452 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: moves a lot faster than the college game. 453 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: We always talk about. 454 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: Influencing eighteen and nineteen year old and whatever he says 455 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: is gospel, right, he walks on water. 456 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: He's the coach. In college, the coach is the guy. 457 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: But in grown men at the major league level, it's 458 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: a different story. When you got families and beards and 459 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: long hair and you're making lots of money and driving 460 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: sweet cars and living in sweet houses, and they question 461 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: a lot of things. 462 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: But he's gonna make mistakes. It's going to be a process. 463 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: The game is like this at this level. 464 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: I told you guys before, like when I managed an 465 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: A ball in San Jose in front of three hundred people, 466 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: the game was going so fast and I was my 467 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: mind was spinning at the A ball level. 468 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: Now you're on TV forty thousand people. Each win means 469 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: so much. 470 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: It's so hard to win one baseball game at the 471 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: major league level, and it's going to be going so fast. 472 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: And I know you're going to have a. 473 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: Great coaching staff and people to lean on, but still 474 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: you got to learn for yourself and how do you 475 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: how do we all. 476 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Learned in life through failures? 477 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: Right, Failures are the greatest teacher, it's the greatest motivator. 478 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: So it's not going to be he just hits the 479 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: ground running, and maybe he does and I'm way off 480 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: base here. 481 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: But there's gonna be whoa moments like what are we doing? 482 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: But but it's okay because the authenticity's there, the transparencies there, 483 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: and he'll be the first one to get up in 484 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: front of all of us after. 485 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: A game and say I really screwed. 486 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: That up, or he'll I don't think he'll ever take 487 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: credit either. Just like we were talking about with the message, 488 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: the new pitching coach for the Giants and how are 489 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: your lates to guys, that's Tony's greatest strength. 490 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: We all talk about energy and raw raw in college, 491 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: his greatest strength in Shana. You know this because you've 492 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: met him, Susan, you don't. This is just his relatability. 493 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: It's just relatability to people how just how cool he 494 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: is and how he comes across is not full of crap. 495 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: He just comes across as super super authentic. 496 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I want to change gears a little bit here. 497 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: At the end of the show. We got about five 498 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: minutes left, and. 499 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: I don't mean to push this to the end, but 500 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: I think it's really cool that we're doing a podcast 501 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: with two women in professional sports who are writers at 502 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: that top of their level, and maybe just how you 503 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: guys got started and what's it like for you guys. 504 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: I mean, shanea you're a big league reporter for a 505 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: big league team that's won three World Series champions. Susan 506 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: is decorated, she's on the Hall of Fame committee. She's 507 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: been doing this for thirty plus years. And Susan came 508 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: in at a different time when maybe it was a 509 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: little more difficult. 510 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's not easy. 511 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: For either one of you guys, and I'm really really 512 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: honored to have you on this podcast today. Maybe Susan, 513 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: you can start with how you got started and what's 514 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: it like. 515 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's funny FP. I think when you 516 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 4: came to the A's, when I was covering the A's, 517 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 4: I was the only woman covering a team in the 518 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: American League. And I think you had played for Montreal 519 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 4: when Stephanie Miles was there, right, and she's only one 520 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 4: covering the nationally, So I think there were only two 521 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 4: of us for a time until Cheryl Rosenberg, my very 522 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 4: good friend, started covering the Marlins, and then covered the Angels, 523 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: and then really when MLB dot Com got up and 524 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 4: running and started hiring a lot of women as interns 525 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 4: and as beat writers. That the Boston Globe was right 526 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 4: out there in front. A couple of the Chicago papers 527 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: were hiring women. It's sort of sort of snowball. But 528 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 4: as you know, FP and I think you know, Shane, 529 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: I started. I had wanted to be a broadcaster, and 530 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: I did all of Stanford's baseball games, including two World's 531 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 4: College World Series victories their last ones, go figure. And football. 532 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 4: I was a color announcer for football, you know, with 533 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 4: all my vast football playing experience. And I also worked 534 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: at the Stafford Daily Course. So coming when I was 535 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: coming out of college in nineteen eight, they weren't hiring 536 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: women to be baseball broadcasters. And I had a job 537 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: in hand from the Sacramento be already, I was like, yeah, 538 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: I like this paycheck sounded this paycheck. 539 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: So was it before we get to Shane, was it 540 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: tough for you like being in the clubhouse, being in 541 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: the locker room and being the only female in there. 542 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 6: What was that like? 543 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I mean I think you know, I started 544 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: mostly in the NBA because I started in Sacramento. That 545 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 4: was but I was doing some baseball and I had 546 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: a few moments here and there that were probably not 547 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: so great, but I had friends who had much worse. 548 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm very good friends with Lisa Olsen. I think people 549 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 4: will remember she had a bad experience with the New 550 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: England Patriots when she covered them to the extent where 551 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: she actually moved out of the country for a number 552 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 4: of years to Australia, which is horrifying. And she's phenomenal. 553 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 4: My dear late friend Jennifer Fry, who was among the 554 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: most talented writers ever, had a bad run in with 555 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer Jack Morris when she was an intern 556 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: at the Detroit Free Press. So I feel like I 557 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: really kind of got away, you know, I just kind 558 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: of had cut my head down, did my But in 559 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 4: the Bay Area there were women before me, which really helped. 560 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: You know. 561 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: There was Joan Ryan, who we all know and love. There, 562 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 4: Susan Wornoff had worked at the Sacramento Bee before I 563 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 4: was there, and while I was there for a few 564 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: years too, Stephanie Salter was at the s f Ex Salminar. 565 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 4: So I had people in the Bay Area that I 566 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: knew and I looked up to, and Ann Killy and 567 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 4: started at the Mercury News just a little bit before 568 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: I started working at the Sacramento b And she's one 569 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: of my closest friends and now my shane and my 570 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 4: treasured colleague at the San Francisco Chronicle, many times California 571 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 4: Sports Writer of the Year winner, and so the Chronicle 572 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 4: has a long history of having women's sports writers dating 573 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 4: back to Joan Ryan, which what a legacy. Following somebody 574 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: like Joan Ryan and getting to work with people like 575 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: Anne and Shana and Marissa and Jemmy, who is phenomenal, 576 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 4: so we love it. And our boss, Christina carl Is, 577 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: you know, a trailblazer in her own rights. So I'm 578 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: we're both very lucky, I think in that that's great stuff. 579 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: We love Anne. 580 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: We got to get around here, Shana, tell us about 581 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: how you got started and how the Giants thing came about. 582 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, I hate to say it because I 583 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 3: don't know if it's gonna land right, But I grew 584 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: up reading I grew up reading Susan, I grew up 585 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: reading and Killian, I grew up reading Gwen Napp, I 586 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: grew up reading Joan Ryan. So it was just it 587 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 3: always felt normal to me that that would be something 588 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: in a sense, I don't think anyone actually thinks. I 589 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: never thought until I was in college that I could 590 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: ever do this. It just kind of, I don't know. 591 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: It was never a fully formed dream until I realized 592 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: that I wanted to write and I realized I love sports, 593 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 3: and I just put the two together like a sandwich 594 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: a little bit, but it was it seemed like a 595 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: real career path because of the women that came before me. 596 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: And the women that came before me also made it 597 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: so that I had such a soft, not soft but 598 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: non scary land spot. You know, that they blazed a 599 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: trail for me so that I didn't have to endure 600 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: what some of the they had to endure. And I 601 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: think Susan, you know, she's told me some stories that 602 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: she's had to go through and she's not going to 603 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: say them now. I know that's like, you know, you 604 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: don't want to rehash all the stuff. But I also 605 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: grew up. I heard the story about Susan Fournoff getting 606 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: the rat and from from the clubhouse, and everyone was 607 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: worrying me about, oh, it's gonna you never know something 608 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: like that could happen. But it's because of such such 609 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: good work that they all did, blazing the trail, and 610 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: not only blazing the trail, but setting a new standard 611 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: that it it all those horror stories never occurred, and 612 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: it's just been so normalized. And now there's so many 613 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: women in the industry because it's just it feels so normal. 614 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: But we should mention Mario Gordotto also covers the Giants 615 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: for MLB dot Com and she's phenomenal. So yeah, we're 616 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: living in a great time for women's sports writer. Sorry, Shane, 617 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: and I didn't mean to cut you off that I 618 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 4: was yeah too. 619 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's great because like sometimes it's half women, 620 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: half men on the on the Giants beat, so it 621 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: feels very equally represented. But the way that I got 622 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: into baseball writing is I was just I just showed up. 623 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: When I was in college. I went to college at 624 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 3: s F State, so I was in San Francisco, and 625 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: when I was graduating from journalism school, one of my professors, 626 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: Jesse Garnier, had a blog. And this is kind of 627 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: at the advent of blogging, when press boxers was like Okay, 628 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: I guess we'll let you, or pr teams were like 629 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: I guess we'll let these bloggers in and see if 630 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: they get in the way or not. But I was 631 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: lucky enough to cover some giant games way back then, 632 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: and it kind of threw me into the deep end 633 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: of Oh this is I just I learned. 634 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: I took it as a. 635 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: Different school, like I was learning from watching Henry Schulman, 636 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: Alex Pavlovich, Andrew Baggerley uh do their job. And I 637 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: was in the way, for sure, but I was learning, 638 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 3: and uh, I kind of I was also just around 639 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: the people that I knew I needed to impress. So 640 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: I tried just anything that I could to freelance and 641 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: get my name out there, get bylines, uh, do whatever 642 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: I could to just get the experience and the writing, uh, 643 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: the writing the articles out there to to get to 644 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: to to the spot now. So there's there's still always growth, 645 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: but it's it's uh. It really was just about showing 646 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: up and doing what I could with any opportunity I 647 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: could get. 648 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, hang on, yeah, because I should say Shane has 649 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: also covered a lot of Warriors and done a great 650 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 4: job covering the Warriors, but she showed up on the 651 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: as some when I was covering the A's Uh, and 652 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: the A's of O were always a great beat in 653 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: terms of women being out there covering. Jane McCauley, of course, 654 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: who we all know well from Associated Press, She's out 655 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: there there a ton and a giants. I mean, none 656 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: of us are really out at the A's anymore because 657 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: a Sacramento, but of course I'm talking about well, they 658 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 4: were in Oakland, but there were so many There were 659 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 4: a few years where there were so many covering the 660 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 4: women covering the A's. I can remember the A's Monthly magazine. 661 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 4: You probably remember that monthly magazine FP. They did a 662 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: story like essentially like where are so many women covering 663 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 4: the A's And Joe Stiglitic was then with the Mercury 664 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 4: News and he was the only man on the beat, 665 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: and they interviewed him and he said, yeah, I kind 666 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: of feel left out. Sometimes they're always going like I 667 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: like your blouse. I like your blouse, and nobody ever 668 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: asks me about my blouse. So for the entire rest 669 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: of the year, I think every day at least one 670 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: of us would go ask Joe about his blouse, which 671 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: gotta tell you didn't you didn't have a good blouse game. 672 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: If you could cover the a's in those days, you 673 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: could cover any in the history of baseball. Bunch, you guys, 674 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: thank you so much for what you do. Seriously, it's 675 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: a grind. People don't realize. You're traveling, You're booking your 676 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: own flights, you're booking your own hotels, You're getting into 677 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: cities at three in the morning. 678 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: Then you got to get up and go to a 679 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: day game at the ballpark. 680 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: Excuse me, you're doing the same grind that the players do. 681 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: And then on top of it, we don't know how 682 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: to write, and you guys do. So thank you so 683 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: much for what you guys do. Shana, thanks for coming 684 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: on with us today. Susan, I'll let you get back 685 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: to your crazy, wild, fun lifestyle in London. 686 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: I'll be joining you Friday in London for a week. 687 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: Across the pond. We're gonna have a blast Premier League 688 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: soccer games. We're gonna do it all. But you guys, 689 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on today. You can follow us on 690 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: x at splash hit Territory, on Instagram at splash hit Territory. 691 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: We have our own sites now. 692 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: We are on the foul Territory network, and of course 693 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: subscribe and like on YouTube. 694 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: All right, guys, take care, have a great day. Thanks 695 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: a lot, and like I say on the way out, 696 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: swing hard in case you hit it.