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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into All Ball, the All Basketball podcast here

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Speaker 1: for you on the Heard podcast network. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: a hundred thousand downloads just last week. Let's get that

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Speaker 1: a couple of my thoughts, get you into some great interviews,

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Speaker 1: some interesting perspective on the NBA and UM. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: couple of college basketball thoughts as well. Kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: what has happened with UM with Condoleeza Rice. Here's my

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Speaker 1: read on Conda Liza Rice deciding to do a one

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Speaker 1: eighty or maybe not a complete one eighty, more of

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Speaker 1: a ninety or a one twenty, saying after the night

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Speaker 1: after the commission released their findings on college basketball. Only

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Speaker 1: now she comes out and says, hey, I think I

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Speaker 1: should be you know, able to be called and saying

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Speaker 1: for their name and likeness. Two parts to it. One,

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Speaker 1: she wasn't the entire committee. This is kind of Liza

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Speaker 1: rightist thoughts as opposed to the committee's findings. Was well,

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Speaker 1: their findings as a whole. Secondly, I think we've gotten

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Speaker 1: this place where no one wants to be unpopular. That's it.

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Speaker 1: No one wants to be unpopular. It's an unpopular narrative

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Speaker 1: to say guys should be compensated, should not be compensated

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Speaker 1: for their name and likeness. It's unpopular narrative. Sorry, because

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Speaker 1: our college basketball coaches have told me that, Hey, look, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't really care if they do, but there's so

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Speaker 1: many We have a near perfect system. We have a

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Speaker 1: out of it. It just doesn't exist. You're gonna open

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Speaker 1: up a whole new can of worms. Last week, I

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Speaker 1: was at University of Kansas and UM Kansas obviously somehow

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Speaker 1: they're not accused of any wrongdoing in the most recent

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Speaker 1: FBI details. But what's fascinating to me is here's Kansas

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Speaker 1: one of the top five programs in the country, Historic

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Speaker 1: fall Gallen Field House. They produced one and duns and

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Speaker 1: sometimes two, three, four or five and duns. And I

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Speaker 1: watched Davontae Graham, who's just what an amazing career he

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Speaker 1: getting out, sitting out next year, coming to KU, going

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Speaker 1: incredible career. And you know what he was doing when

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Speaker 1: I was there. He had an autograph signing session in

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Speaker 1: and so the idea is like look at the very

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Speaker 1: don't really need the autograph session. They have MacArthur Hall

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Speaker 1: They do have regular students in it. It has a

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Speaker 1: ever want there. You never there's you want them for nothing,

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Speaker 1: who has had amazing career after his Duke career finished right,

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Speaker 1: he is an ANALYSTI is very very good. Those doors

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Speaker 1: would not have been opening. And I played at Duke,

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Speaker 1: not um. Jalen Rose? Who who? Who offered up the

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Speaker 1: completely nonsensical they should boycott the final four? Like, dude,

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Speaker 1: whole idea of well, it's not you're not allowing kids

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Speaker 1: It's not a free market. NBA is not a free market.

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Speaker 1: where you go. There's the collectively Barkin Agreement. Now, if

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Speaker 1: in college basketball, that's fair. On the other hand, all

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Speaker 1: Like that, the benefits are ridiculous. And if you say, well,

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Speaker 1: the idea that well, they players don't get nothing, don't

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Speaker 1: but I can get a scholar You can get scholarships

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Speaker 1: Here's the here's the best example I used for me personally. People,

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Speaker 1: things he needs to do to take care of his body.

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Speaker 1: When Kyrie was there, going through shooting games with Kyrie

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Speaker 1: after practice, all of the things that then needs to

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Speaker 1: learn how to do. Bron does that, and then in

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Speaker 1: the off season Bron works way harder than Ben has

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Speaker 1: ever worked on his shooting, and that would help Ben

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Speaker 1: as well. Do you think Ben should shoot right handed?

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Speaker 1: This is awesome. I've seen a lot of this. The

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Speaker 1: thing for us with Tristan Thompson when we had him

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Speaker 1: changed his hand was it was just his handedness was

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Speaker 1: sort of up in the air. He himself didn't know

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Speaker 1: which handy should use. He wasn't married to one or

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Speaker 1: the other. And we got him to throw a football

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Speaker 1: one day in the practice facility, and when he threw

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Speaker 1: it left handed, which in theory would have been his

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Speaker 1: natural hand, he threw it into the ground like I

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Speaker 1: would throw with my off hand when I was eight

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Speaker 1: years old, right, I mean it was he just sort

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Speaker 1: of flailed it into the ground left handed and right handed.

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Speaker 1: He's through like a sixty yard spiral. And you went, Tristan,

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Speaker 1: you're you're right handed. So if I could see Ben

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Speaker 1: Simmons throw a football, I'd have a better chance to

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Speaker 1: tell you Ben Simmons, he shoots everything right handed. Inside

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Speaker 1: the paint. The only thing that is left handed his

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Speaker 1: free throws and and primimeter shots and didnt shoot perimeter shots.

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Speaker 1: You know, he finishes everything was right hand, so I

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Speaker 1: you know out well. And Tristan was exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: By the way. He was incredibly deft with his right

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Speaker 1: hand around the rim. The only jump hook he could

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Speaker 1: make was right handed. But he was shooting his free

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Speaker 1: throws left handed, and he would shoot like the you know,

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Speaker 1: the short corner jump shot left handed and kind of like,

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Speaker 1: what what are you doing? Whatever made you think you

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Speaker 1: were left handed to begin with? In the case again,

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Speaker 1: he can do all of those things right handed, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that's because he's more naturally comfortable with it, but

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Speaker 1: it could also be that that's just he's wired like that.

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to tell by the way. I'm I

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Speaker 1: know this sounds crazy, but it's easy to tell when

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Speaker 1: you have somebody throw football throw the football challenge. I

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Speaker 1: love that. Let's get to the Cavaliers, Um, have they

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Speaker 1: figured something out or is this just who they are

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Speaker 1: going to be right which is you know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: space you with with Kevin Love at the five, and

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Speaker 1: now that Kyl Kover is much more comfortable and he's

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Speaker 1: making shots just create space for Lebron games, play through

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Speaker 1: him and play with a bunch of shooters and then

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Speaker 1: you know, switch everything defensively. Well, it's sort of who

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Speaker 1: they've always been. Um, you know, we we had Kyrie

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Speaker 1: at one time, so when the shot clock would run down,

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Speaker 1: he could go get a shot and he could create

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Speaker 1: offense when Lebron sat down. They don't have the ability

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Speaker 1: to do that now, but they've always been a team

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Speaker 1: that if you're going to take advantage of Lebron's full talents,

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Speaker 1: you've got to be able to space the court and

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Speaker 1: let him pick people apart from the center of the

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Speaker 1: lane by being a driver and then making the right read.

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Speaker 1: And fortunately in the last series, you know, the team

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Speaker 1: had a three to one assist turnover ratio, which is

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Speaker 1: a really really good situation. It's in part because of Lebron,

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Speaker 1: but it's also because George Hill was present for a

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Speaker 1: big part of that. And George Hill being healthy and

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Speaker 1: being capable of playing significant minutes and starting makes it

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Speaker 1: possible to keep orrid Or j R. Smith and Love

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Speaker 1: altogether on the starting lineup. And those are the guys

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Speaker 1: Lebron's one with. Those are the guys he's comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: So fortunate, at least for Cleveland, that first series with

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Speaker 1: Indiana took them seven games, so they got as many

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Speaker 1: different opportunities as they could to figure out lineups and

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Speaker 1: and figure out where Lebron was going to be the

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Speaker 1: most comfortable. And I think because of that, they landed

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Speaker 1: back with what they know best, which is the guys

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Speaker 1: they're starting. You get Tristan Thompson a lot more opportunity

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Speaker 1: to play. You know, this is one of the things

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Speaker 1: I think from basketball analytics standpoint is is really a

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Speaker 1: telling thing. And I don't know what the number is,

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Speaker 1: and I would love for somebody significantly smarter than I

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Speaker 1: am to tell me the right way to do this,

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Speaker 1: but their effective field goal percentage on Tristan Thompson's offensive

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Speaker 1: rebounds has got to be damn near. Well, it's just

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Speaker 1: back there's just backbreakers, right. You're like your your your garden,

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Speaker 1: Lebron your garden shooters. You're paying all attention els and

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Speaker 1: the shot goes up, you start leaking out defensively, there's

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Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson with the ball and he kicks it out.

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Speaker 1: Now either you have to do it all over again

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Speaker 1: or they shoot a three, which is those are backbreakers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if you you know, if you if you look

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Speaker 1: at Tristan when he plays significant minutes, that's five opportunities

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Speaker 1: you have to make four more threes. That's twelve points. Link.

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Speaker 1: That's winning and losing basketball games. And he also is

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Speaker 1: your best big in terms of his ability to match

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Speaker 1: up on the wing and switch and defensively be at present.

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Speaker 1: So it's not surprising to me they wound up with him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing they were healthy and

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Speaker 1: that he was healthy enough to actually get back into

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Speaker 1: the rotation. But I think this is who Cleveland has

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Speaker 1: always been. They're going to have to outscore you. They're

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Speaker 1: probably not going to get enough stops to be the

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Speaker 1: team like Golden State four times, but I think they

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Speaker 1: can get enough stops to to get past Boston. What's

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Speaker 1: what's the deal with Brad and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: league's coaches. I I I understand that there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of good coaches that did Quinstider did magnificent things. Uh, look,

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Speaker 1: Toronto had the best record the East. Like I can

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Speaker 1: make an argument for a bunch of these guys, but

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Speaker 1: there is something in there that other coaches are like

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Speaker 1: he he gets a little bit too much credit. I

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Speaker 1: think we did it. Like from a media perspective, I

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Speaker 1: think we did it. I think it's one of those

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Speaker 1: things where other coaches have probably had enough of Brad

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Speaker 1: getting nothing but love and never taking any of the

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Speaker 1: blame um. And I don't mean that Brad personally doesn't

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Speaker 1: take any of the blame. I mean that the media

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Speaker 1: never as signed him any blame um. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's just made it so that there's I don't want

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Speaker 1: to call it petty, but I think the petty is

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Speaker 1: undefeated in some ways, and I think there's just a

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Speaker 1: natural bias to feel, like, you know what, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure he's that good. And I think it makes you

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Speaker 1: more critical of Brad as a coach because you're hearing

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Speaker 1: from everywhere how good he is. And I think Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Casey was a great selection as Coach of the Year

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Speaker 1: from the Coaches Association's standpoint. That's I totally get it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna argue with it. It's been

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Speaker 1: Quinn Snyder. I wouldn't argue with it. Put for eight

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Speaker 1: guys to get a vote and Brad not to get one,

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Speaker 1: that was pretty crazy. Am I crazy to think that

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Speaker 1: as that Capella is super important to Houston. Yet I

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Speaker 1: don't think Capella can be Capella much of this series

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Speaker 1: because they'll go small and now he kind of like

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Speaker 1: val and Chun is what happened with him with the Calves.

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Speaker 1: Golden State stretches you out, goes small, and Capella becomes

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Speaker 1: a lot less effective. Yeah. So I think he's so

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Speaker 1: different from Jonah's because he defends in space so well. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think Clint is actually if Houston is going to

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Speaker 1: win the series, it's because not only does he hold

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Speaker 1: his own when they go small, but his ability to

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Speaker 1: roll and finish and be dynamic at the rim forces

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Speaker 1: them to stay bigger. If if Golden has to play

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Speaker 1: a traditional five to check Capella, that changes the whole series.

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Speaker 1: I tend to favor Golden State pretty heavily. I think

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Speaker 1: just from the standpoint of them having been through the

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Speaker 1: wars together and they're now at a where they realize

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Speaker 1: the amount of focus they have to play with to

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Speaker 1: be successful. I think they have appropriate fear of Houston.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kur really hinges a lot of what he

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Speaker 1: does from a preparation standpoint on that appropriate fear, and

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Speaker 1: I think they get it and I think because they do.

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Speaker 1: They're just too deep and too good offensively. There's too

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Speaker 1: many weapons that you can't take out of it. And

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Speaker 1: in the Houston situation, they're so dependent upon you know,

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Speaker 1: they played two guys defensively in Tucker and Areza Uh

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Speaker 1: and Tucker and bomb Moute. When they're together, that defensive

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Speaker 1: lineup is really predicated on Hardened and Paul either generating

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Speaker 1: offense or Hardened getting you to the foul line quickly

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Speaker 1: that he gets you into the bonus and you shoot

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Speaker 1: far more free shows than anybody else. Well, the deeper

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Speaker 1: you go into the playoffs, the less likely you are

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Speaker 1: to get those calls, which means it might be harder

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Speaker 1: to keep your defenders on the court. And if that's true,

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna guard Golden States. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a five or six game series of close games. But

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Speaker 1: I think in the end, Golden States just got too

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Speaker 1: much great stuff. I can't tell how much I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to hearing you some more on serious sex

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Speaker 1: and I'm watching on the NBA TV. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: our guests. We'll talk to us the playoffs for a

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Speaker 1: long Thanks alright, pleasures mind David Griffin joining us. Former

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Speaker 1: gentle manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Rick Bucker has a

596
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Speaker 1: great podcast. It's called The Swirlds with NBA Vett Ryan Hollins.

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Speaker 1: Rick also has his own national radio show on Sirius

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Speaker 1: x M eighty Gosh, we're eighty three, he's eighty four.

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Speaker 1: A two A two A two two. Rick Bucker joins

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Speaker 1: us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Just as we all thought,

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Speaker 1: Celtics and Calves Warriors and Rockets. Oh there's this, the

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Speaker 1: one plot twist. The Celtics wouldn't have Kyrie and wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have Gordon Hayward outside of that, exactly as we thought

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Speaker 1: it would go. Right, Yeah, No, it's uh. And this

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Speaker 1: is what it always gets me when people say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's no suspense in the NBA season, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we already know it's gonna be Calves Warriors at the end.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we don't know that. I still don't

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Speaker 1: know that as of right now. And too, it's not

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Speaker 1: so much the destination. It's the journey, isn't it, Doug.

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Speaker 1: It's the journey, and it's a matter of how we

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Speaker 1: got here, which was There's been plenty of unexpected twist

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Speaker 1: and turns, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have

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Speaker 1: a few more before all of a sudden done. Why

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Speaker 1: don't other NBA coaches have the same affinity for Brad

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Speaker 1: Stevens as the media has for Brad Stevens. Well, part

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Speaker 1: of it is because he's still relatively new to the

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Speaker 1: club and NBA coaches are a very clubby sort. We

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Speaker 1: just I I said something about mccronin uh, the u

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Speaker 1: C coach during the tournament. I thought the way he

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Speaker 1: handled uh some questions about his team, UH where he

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Speaker 1: didn't do it well, and brought that up with Seth

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Speaker 1: Greenberg had him as a host or a guest on

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Speaker 1: my show, and it was immediately you don't, you don't,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what? Like where have you coached? Like that?

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Speaker 1: They became that unless unless you're that's also Seth one

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Speaker 1: on one right, well, but it's also he's not alone.

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Speaker 1: I mean the the the number of coaches that I

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Speaker 1: talked to, and look, there is a degree and probably

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Speaker 1: a larger degree than not there's a larger degree of

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Speaker 1: truth to people who armchair coach don't take into consideration

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Speaker 1: all the things that they know because they can't possibly

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Speaker 1: know them. So I get that, But I think there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. One and I actually just had

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Speaker 1: a talk. I had a conversation with a head coach

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Speaker 1: in the league today about this subject. It wasn't this

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Speaker 1: was the main thing, but I said, hey, I said, so,

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Speaker 1: what's up. You know, Brad Stephens not a single vote,

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Speaker 1: And he said, the way he looked at it is is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Brad came in and he was supposed to

641
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Speaker 1: have a good season, and yes they lost Kyrie, yes

642
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: they lost Gordon Hayward, but the team kind of ended

643
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: up where everybody expected them to end up as far

644
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: as the regular season was concerned. Toronto made a change

645
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: from last year and there was an uptick. So that

646
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Speaker 1: was his explanation for me. And there's also there is

647
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Speaker 1: that feeling like he's kind of been gifted a really

648
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Speaker 1: good situation and he's straight out of college. I think

649
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Speaker 1: the other part is is that there's this clubby nature

650
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to the to the NBA coaches, and they're very well

651
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: aware of guys who've been in the club for a

652
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: long time and maybe in a little bit of trouble,

653
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: and and they look at it and I think it's

654
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: unfair that that guy is in trouble. Dwayne Casey fits

655
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: that description to a t as far as other NBA

656
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: coaches are concerned. It's a great point. Well, what's also

657
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: interesting is how many of the guys have gotten the

658
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year award and then been fired like

659
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: a year later, which which which only proves that in

660
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: their effort to help their buddy out, they actually end up,

661
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, well, creating something that they can't live up to.

662
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: So the one thing, so the one that you're you're referencing,

663
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: because this is a this is a relatively new award.

664
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Speaker 1: This is only the second year. Last year it was

665
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: D'Antoni and Erik Spoelstra that the coaches selected. They were

666
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: co co head coaches and they sort of fit the profile.

667
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Even though Spoilster has been a head coach, he's been

668
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: relatively at nine ten years now, but he's been in

669
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: the NBA fraternity for a long time, so he fits

670
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and obviously d and D'Antoni does too. Um, this is

671
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: a relatively new thing for them. But the one that's

672
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Speaker 1: voted by the media, Yeah, we had a string of

673
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Speaker 1: Mike Brown, Avery Johnson, George Carl and it seemed like

674
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Speaker 1: there was about five or six guys in a row

675
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: that one Coach of the year and a year later

676
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: they were out. So yeah, it can be. It can

677
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: be kiss of death. Be careful what exactly what they're

678
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: they're touting their guys to be. Do the Celtics have

679
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: a chance, I'm picking them to win? What are you

680
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: talking about? Do they have a camp? Because I look

681
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: at the pace of play, and I look at the

682
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: intensity of the series that they had with the Sixers.

683
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: I think, but and I maybe I may be wrong

684
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: on this and maybe undervaluing the sweet spot that Lebron

685
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: James finds himself in. But I look at the Raptors

686
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: series and I can't all of the improvement that we're

687
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: looking at with the Calves. I can't help but believe

688
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: that the Toronto Raptors had a big hand in that

689
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: they never really made Lebron James play in a crowd,

690
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and yet in spite of not putting additional attention toward him.

691
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Green and j R. Smith, this is going into

692
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Game four, We're both shooting seventies per sent plus in

693
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: three point range. Jeff Green shot against the Pacers in

694
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Speaker 1: the first round. He shot from three during the regular season.

695
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: H J. R. Smith shot a little bit better during

696
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Speaker 1: the regular season, but he shot against the Pacers. I

697
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: look at guys like Terry Rosier and Jason Tatum, Al Horford,

698
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart. Those guys, in my mind, are all gamers

699
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: who are not afraid Lebron James or the Cleveland Cavaliers.

700
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: In fact, they come into this series thinking they have

701
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: revenge in mind for what happened last year. They don't

702
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: care that Kyrie Irving's not there, Gordon Hayward's not there,

703
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and and that they're not supposed to be here based

704
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: on what everybody else thinks. They're looking at it going.

705
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: We got back to the Eastern Conference Finals and are

706
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: and and we still have unfinished business. So I just

707
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: believe that they can push a tempo in a way

708
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: that Toronto never did and that Indiana did that took

709
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: that series to seven games. And if you're giving me

710
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: Miles Turner or Al Horford at this point to make

711
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Speaker 1: things difficult on Kevin Love, I'm taking Al Horford every day,

712
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: all day, in spite of liking Miles Turner and his future.

713
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: So I just think that that that Boston is going

714
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Speaker 1: to do a much better job of limiting what the

715
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Speaker 1: other pieces do, and Lebron James is going to have

716
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Speaker 1: to come through with some of the virtuoso performances that

717
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Speaker 1: he did against against the Indiana Pacers. And I just

718
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: I think that the Celtics are a little bit better

719
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: than the Pacers were, and they have the same guys

720
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Speaker 1: that have the eye of the tiger and aren't going

721
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: to be afraid to take and make a big shot

722
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: when I needed. That's the voice of Rick Buker, of course,

723
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Speaker 1: writes for Bleacher Report, has his own radio show on

724
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Speaker 1: Sirious XM Channel two. Let's get out West Golden State Warriors.

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: They back to where they should be. Uh, well, yeah,

726
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: they're there. They are back to what they are capable of.

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Speaker 1: My one question is can they sustain it. They've they've

728
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Speaker 1: demonstrated that in periods they can play, they can get

729
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: back to that level that that they can play at

730
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Speaker 1: a level that nobody else can play at at both

731
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Speaker 1: ends of the floor. They still have and they still

732
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: struggled even in these playoffs in sustaining that, you know,

733
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: giving away a game, absolutely giving a game a game

734
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: away against New Orleans was troubling. The way they closed

735
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: out San Antonio was not convincing. They really there. They

736
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: are measuring game in and game out how hard they

737
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: have to play to win the game. And I don't

738
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Speaker 1: think it's by overconfidence. I don't think it's by lack

739
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: of attention to detail. I really think it's just kind

740
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: of the physical and mental grind of how having been

741
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: to three consecutive NBA finals and now trying to get

742
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: to a four uh and and and a bench that's

743
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: not quite as deep, that they're just feeling they're they're

744
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: feeling that grind. So can the Rockets exploit the Warriors

745
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: when they have those periods when they're not at their best,

746
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: when the offense gets a little stagnant and they just

747
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: lean on k D when the defense rotations work for

748
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen seconds, but they get a little lax in

749
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: the last four or five, Like, can the Rockets exploit that?

750
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: And then on the other on the other end, can

751
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: they maintain their focus in intensity? That to me is

752
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: what's going to determine that the Rockets have demonstrated that

753
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: they can take their foot off the pedal too, and

754
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: they have less reason to do that. But um, I'm not.

755
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm not completely out of the woods with the Warriors

756
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: yet and saying that they have the requisitibility to play

757
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: as well as they need to play as long as

758
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: they need to play. Can they get back there and

759
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: have they demonstrated that yet? Have played some of the

760
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: best basketball that I've seen them play in months. But

761
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: the big question is going to be can they sustain it?

762
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: How many minutes can they play at that level? Um?

763
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: What do you think Lebron plays next year? You know,

764
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I just in talking to this coach today,

765
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: he goes, I've heard he's gonna play in Philadelphia. I've

766
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: heard he might stay in Cleveland. Obviously there's there, you know,

767
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: there's talk about like Kauai wants to go play in

768
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: l A with Paul George and Lebron. Um, I'm I

769
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: am going to stay with where I was at the

770
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: beginning of the year and everybody was telling me, which

771
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: is that he's gonna wind up in l A. But

772
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, as of right now, I

773
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: don't I've never had a dog in the fight, but

774
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I still don't think he's going

775
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: to stay in Cleveland. He remember the other day, I

776
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: forget what game it was. He went to the locker

777
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: room and he had the he had the the cramps

778
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: and and had to go to the locker room. And

779
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: when he came back out and he walked out of

780
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: the tunnel, he walked right right by Dan Gilbert and

781
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: there was absolutely no acknowledgement, recognition, nothing from either one

782
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: of them. It wasn't even Dan wouldn't even look at him,

783
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: and certainly Lebron wasn't looking at him. You can't have

784
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: from everything I've heard, that's just the latest little piece

785
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: of that relationship is far from great, and I think

786
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: ultimately that's going to be the difference super supping the

787
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Paul George knee surgery thing. Did everybody know that was

788
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: going to happen? Uh No, they did not. But from

789
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: everything I've heard, it's not something that people are, you know,

790
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: taking a lot of concern with, or that it's gonna

791
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: it's it's changing the dynamic as far as what people

792
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: are expecting. Russell Westbrook look zek Low, and I want

793
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to be very careful because I like zach Low, and

794
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: I do think that other people around the league will

795
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: say We'll say that like, well, maybe maybe you gotta

796
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: think about trade in Westbrook. But thinking about doing it

797
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: and actually doing it are two completely different things, right,

798
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: And and it's always the guy who doesn't have a

799
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook who talks about training Russell Westbrook. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Olhoma City does? What? What do I uh,

801
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: what do I think Oklahoma City does with Russell Westbrook?

802
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: In general? UM, continue to thank they're they're stars that

803
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: he signed a five year extension there. Uh, look too

804
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: to find pieces that are going to build around him

805
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: and and and ultimately, UM hope that his maturity and

806
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: his decision making continue to improve. That will Billy, will

807
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Billy be able to Like I think that bringing Billy back,

808
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: the next thing to do is sit him down and

809
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: go like, hey, Billy, you gotta coach him, like you

810
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: have to get some of the stuff out of him,

811
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: because he has so much talent, but you got to

812
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: get some of the one man possessions out of him. Yeah.

813
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: And I don't you know, I will say having been

814
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: around that team a little bit, uh and just recently

815
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: during the playoffs, I was encouraged by the interaction that

816
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Billy had with Russ And it is a negotiation as

817
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, a directive when it comes to

818
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: the conversation between those two. Um. Then again, I thought

819
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: that Billy showed great. I mean, it seems simple, but

820
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he sat, mellowed down and kept you know,

821
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: and went back to him briefly and then didn't go

822
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: back to him again, I think that says a lot

823
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: about Billy's growing stature as a as an NBA head coach.

824
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: I think that what they in short, short of moving

825
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: Billy on, and I don't think I don't know that

826
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a coach out there that's gonna change that dynamic,

827
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: is that you go get a what Tom Thibodeau was

828
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: for Doc Rivers or what Ron Adams is for Steve

829
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: kerr Uh. You go get that guy who is a

830
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: no nonsense xs and os. This is how it needs

831
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: to be. Hard ask who is the first assistant, and

832
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: he's the guy who is you know, let's russ, No,

833
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: this is the way we've got to do it. Um.

834
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Some people mentioned like a Steve Clifford. To me, it

835
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like you know, I mean, obviously

836
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: you've got a star of that nature. It's not you're

837
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: just gonna tell him it's my way of the highway,

838
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that those days are long gone. But a guy who's

839
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: xs and o's are strong enough that he can say,

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Speaker 1: this is the way we need to do it. If

841
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: you want to win, this is the way we need

842
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: to do it. And ideally it's somebody who has you know,

843
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: has had a certain degree of success that Russ is

844
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: going to to respect. But ultimately it's going to come

845
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: down to this. Russ is going to have to be

846
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: frustrated and set up enough with his own shortcomings and

847
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: failures to say I'm willing to try to do it

848
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: a different way, surreunding yourself to the process. Thanks so much,

849
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: really appreciate you join us, Rick Buker. The podcast is

850
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: the Swirl with longtime NBA vett Ryan Hollins. All Right,

851
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Speaker 1: so that's gonna wrap it up for all ball. I

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