1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Welcome into a very special draft edition 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: of Chargers Weekly. Here with Matt Bunny Smith as always 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: and Dave Brugler joining us again this week to get 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: us prepared for Thursday. The Chargers pick seventeen overall, and 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do this week, guys. This 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: is an early episode of Chargers Weekly. We'll do one Friday, 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: a quick reaction to whoever the Chargers select in the 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: first round, and then next week we'll dive into all 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: the other picks and then have Dane back to recap 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: what the Chargers did. But Buddy, we had fun with 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: this last week with Dane answering questions and ready to 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah, between him putting together the Beast 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: and all the stuff we got through last week, I 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: feel like I kind of covered most of it. I'm 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: when we were digging into seventh round picks, Dane, we 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: talked some punters like, yeah, feel like I almost kind 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: of covered a little bit. We almost covered a little 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: bit too much, But I guess the best place to 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: start is just how much change has changed, you know, 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: in the last six days and what you're hearing, and 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times The best way to 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: follow it is just to look at the odds, you know, 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: and how much the Vegas odds have changed on that 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: number one overall pick and what could be especially if 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, the rumors are true, then I'll just 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: plant this seat with you and you tell me kind 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: of what you've heard and what you think is gonna happen. 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: That Peterson wants to tackle, Bulky wants the edge. Who 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: wins that battle? Because to me, if they take a 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: tackle number one, that I think that just signals the 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: run on tackles and people are going to be jumping 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: into the top ten to get these four guys. Yeah, 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent right. Even if the 34 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: tackle doesn't go one, we could still see that run 35 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: on those tackles starting with three, We could see tackles 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: go three, four five or four five, six, Very very possible. 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, one, it's funny talk about the pivot point 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of the draft. You know, when's that it might be one? 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: You know, because we just have no idea. And the 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: way it was explained to me is kind of the 41 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: scouts want Hutchinson, the coaching staff wants the offensive lineman, 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: and the GM wants Walker if he wants the upside, 43 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: And so honestly, what the Jaguars do might come down 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: to what ownership wants, because we know when it comes 45 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: down to first round picks, especially the number one overall pick, 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: the ownership has a say in the decision, and so 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: that could ultimately decide who is that number one pick. 48 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I still think I kind of lean Hutchinson 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: just because he's the safer pick. It's a little more conservative, 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: and I think maybe that's the direction that the Jaguars go. 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, but I don't feel great about it. Especially 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, the odds say that Walker is the favorite 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: right now, so it's hard to say. And so it 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: starts at one, and then that'll obviously impact that the 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Detroit does at number two. Maybe it's as easy as 56 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: whoever the two defensive lineman, whoever Jacksonville doesn't take, that's 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: who will go too. Maybe, but you know it's we 58 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: don't know that. And then three with Houston, Houston's wide open, 59 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: wide open book here they could fill and they could 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: go offensive line, they go go defensive line. We know, 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: you know corner and love me Smith, that's a possible connection. 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: They've done a ton of work on Derek Stigley, a 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: ton of work on Sauce Gardener, so that would not 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: be surprising at all. And then with the Jets having 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: those two first round picks at four and ten, they're 66 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a little judicious on how, okay, which we want? 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: We want the pass rusher? Do we go with the 68 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: pass rusher here at four? Can we wait and still 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: get Jermaine Johnson at ten? They have to be a 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: little strategic with how they attack it. So and the 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: same thing with the Giants at five and seven. So 72 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun. And I say 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: this every year, but I have no problem going, you know, 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: two to thirty two on my mock draft. I don't 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: care about that. Let's have a fun first round, upset school, 76 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: or let's have some surprises. That's what we're all here for, 77 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Hey Dane. I asked Chargers fans to submit some questions, 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: and this is from Will do you think there's a 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: likely scenario where the Saints jump the Panthers to take 80 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: a quarterback and then one of these big three tackles 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: falls to seventeen? Money kind of alluded to it. I 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if we're getting the big 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: three tackles at seventeen. No, I think that there's a 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: pretty good chance the Saints do look to get up 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: into the top ten, but it's not gonna be for 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I think it's gonna be for one of 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: these tackles because they like the Saints. No, there's a 88 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: good chance the tackles aren't not going to fall. I 89 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: think there's a very high chance all four the top tackles, 90 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: talking about Evan Neil from Alabama, Ikiakwanu from NC State, 91 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Charles Cross Mississippi State, and then Trevor Penning Northern Iowa, 92 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: whichever order you have them, good chance all four of 93 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: those guys are off the board in the top fourteen picks. 94 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: I think you know a good chance the Ikey, Evan Neil, 95 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: Charles Cross Goo top six, top seven, and then I 96 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: think Penning his ceiling or his floors as a pick 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: might be at fourteen in Baltimore. So there's a good 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: chance of Saints. We know they want to left tackle, 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: and so if they trade up, I think it'll be 100 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: for the left tackle, not the quarterback. Yeah. One of 101 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the one of the things we're starting to hear a 102 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: little bit too, Dane, is just kind of where where 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: the tipping point is. You know, last year, we brought 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: this up last week, right like last year, we said, hey, 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: if we can get four quarterbacks, you feel about you know, 106 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: the blue chip players or however you want to describe them, 107 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: blue chips first round grades. You know, there's never thirty 108 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: two first round grades. You know, there's usually whatever, you know, 109 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty. I don't know what the number usually is. 110 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: You would know better than I do, But I'm trying 111 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: to figure out like how often, like how often? Because 112 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: the Chargers look to be in that spot where there 113 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: if there's no quarterbacks taken one through sixteen, it's possible 114 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: they may not have a first round grade on any 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: player that's available to them. So is that where we 116 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: start to see a lot of these Well, you're trying, 117 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: like heck to trade back or you're trying to get 118 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: picks for next year's draft because you're hoping that it's 119 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a deeper class. How much have 120 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: you heard about that? And do you think we're going 121 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: to see a flurry of trades in this first round 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: because it does look to be a low number of 123 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: first round graded players. It's tough because I think a 124 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of teams are going to think that way, where 125 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: let's move back, because the guy we're gonna get at 126 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen nineteen are very similar graded how we have 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: the guys that are going to go thirty seven, thirty eight, 128 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: thirty nine. So I think we're gonna try and we're 129 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of that, but it's it's going 130 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: to be more of a seller's market than a buyer's market, 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: where who's gonna be trying to get up, you know, 132 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: and that's you need that dance partner. And so I 133 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear a lot of screaming form move 134 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: back and back and back from from a lot of franchises. 135 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: But actually getting a deal done is going to be tough. 136 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Even the quarterbackacks, I'm not sure many teams are are 137 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: itching to trade up for any of these quarterbacks. The 138 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: over under un quarterbacks is two and a half, and 139 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: I think I might take the under right now, which 140 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, I usually we see these guys go, and 141 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: that's the conversation I keep having is Oh, yeah, these 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: guys are gonna go, They're gonna go. It's okay, Well, 143 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: where and it's so not quite sure. Yeah, it's hard 144 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: to find those landing spots for these quarterbacks. So yeah, 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: I think that trading back is going to be option 146 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: A for a lot of these teams. It's just gonna 147 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: be hard to find it. And I think you know 148 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: you're in. You bring up a great point about the 149 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: first round grades most teams between you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, 150 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: some will be in the twenties, but this year more 151 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: gonna I think we're gonna be seeing a lot more 152 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: conservative grades. Most first round grades are gonna be in 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: the teams from team the team, and then from there. 154 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: A lot of teams they build their draft board. You know, 155 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: they have the one A, one B, one C, and 156 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of one cs where you know, 157 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: he's a first round grade for us, but maybe not 158 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: A or B, he's more of a C. And so 159 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I think even those guys are gonna get drafted as 160 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: early as the top ten, just because there's only so many, 161 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, those higher rates guys. This year, we got 162 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: a question from bolt Up fifteen Dane, if there was 163 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: a surprise pick for the Charges at seventeen, who do 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: you think that name could be perhaps somebody not typically 165 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: mocked to the team. We've talked about Jordan Davis, Chris Olive, 166 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Javison Williams, some of these corners. Is there a name 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: that maybe we haven't talked about much that could be 168 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: high on their draft board? Well, yeah, I think it 169 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: would be interesting if let's just say the Chargers have 170 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: seventeen first round grades in this draft and sixteen first 171 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: round the sixteen of them are off the board, and 172 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: that their one first round grade left is maybe a 173 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: position that they already have, And so, you know, would 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: they stay true to their board in that scenario if 175 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: they can't trade out or are they you know, like 176 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: let's say it's a say it's a pass rusher. You 177 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: know they obviously that pass rusher is not number one 178 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: need on this team. It's probably not top three or four, 179 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: maybe five, Knum, but do you stay true to your 180 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: board in that scenario where uh, you know, you know 181 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: you're an injury away um. You know, you can certainly 182 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: bring three pass rushers on the on the or three 183 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: edge rushers on the field at the same time. H 184 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: you know, kicking h you know, Boaster or Mac or 185 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: whoever inside to U you know, get a NASCAR package 186 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: out there and just get getting guys going after the quarterback, 187 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: especially on passing downs. So I you know, you can't 188 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: rule that out if the right player is there. Um, 189 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: I think that's certainly a possibility. You know what, let's 190 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: just kind of stick in with that Dane, you know, 191 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: I like from and again, I don't want to position 192 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: this is I know what the heck I'm looking at 193 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: because I don't. But for some reason, it's just hard 194 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: for me to watch corners, Like it's hard. There's so 195 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: much that you're trying to project when you're grading corners. 196 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: To me, it's the hardest thing to say, Oh, this 197 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: guy's gonna be good, this guy's not. It's just tough. 198 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: So like, give us an idea because to me, that's 199 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: where the surprise could be. Right. It just seems like 200 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: teams and I think about the Raiders right in the 201 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: corners that they've draft and everyone's like, what the hell 202 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: they drafted that guy for in the first round. Now 203 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: it hasn't worked out for them, But what is that 204 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: next tier of corners behind the big three, behind McDuffie, 205 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: Stingley and Sauce Gardner that maybe would be a surprise 206 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: pick at seventeen, but they just happen to like one 207 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: of these other players that maybe we don't have projected 208 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: to be there on the teams, but selected maybe later 209 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: in the first or in the second. Yeah, well, let's 210 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: say that, you know, Sauce Gardner's off the board at 211 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: that point, Trent mcduffe or Derek Stingley is off the board, 212 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: but maybe Trent McDuffie's still there. McDuffie. Mcduffy is going 213 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: to be interesting because he let's say mcduffe's not there, Dane, Like, 214 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: let's go to that because you know what I mean, 215 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about those three. So he's there, Like, 216 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: what is that next tier of corners if that's a 217 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: position that maybe they're kind of focused on. You know 218 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Booth from Clemson, you know, he's I think he 219 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: kicks off that next tier, but he's been kind of 220 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: m ia on the sideline because of his injuries. He 221 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: had a Grade two quad strain, he had double hernia surgery. 222 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: So we have no testing data on Andrew Booth. We 223 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: have not seen him since the sinse of regular season, 224 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: and so that that's something that could that knock Andrew 225 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Booth from maybe probably a first round pick to now 226 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: second a round. Kyer Elom from Florida six one and 227 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: a half one hundred and ninety pounds. You love the size, 228 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: you love the physicality that he plays with. He's a 229 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: he's a mandamn guy, forty three nine in the forty. 230 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: But there are some times where if you ask him 231 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: to play off, you ask him to play zone where 232 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: they slacking some of that twitch at the top of routes. 233 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: That's something where savvy route runners can take advantage. And 234 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: so that next tier of corners definitely there's some, uh, 235 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, reasons why we're talking about him that early 236 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: as maybe first rounders, but also they're guys that are 237 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: easier to poke holes in their game. Kyler Gordon from 238 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Washington View, the other Husky's a corner who five eleven 239 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: and a half one hundred ninety four pounds. The forty 240 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: was just okay. I think that there's a lot of 241 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: hype about what Kyler Gordon was going to do with 242 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: the combine. Only ran a four or five two and 243 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: then did not run again at the at the Pro day, 244 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: so he was he was happy with that four or 245 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: five two. But he did do the three cone, did 246 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the jumps at his pro day and he was outstanding 247 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: and those thirty nine and a half inch vert under 248 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: four seconds in the short shuttle under uh, he was 249 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: six sixty seven and a three cone, which is just 250 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: remarkable number. So for a guy with like Kyler Gordon, 251 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: who you know, he coming from a secondary just like 252 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Trum mcduffy, where they asked him to do a lot, 253 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: play both man and zone. Uh, You're you're doing a 254 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: lot of different things. So while mcduffy is more advanced 255 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: technically and mentally just with you know, route recognition and 256 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: understanding what the offense is doing, Kyler Gordon's no slout either. 257 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean he's a guy that I think you see, 258 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: you see the development, you see the improvements especially over 259 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: the last year on last year's tape. So Kyler Gordon's 260 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: one of those guys who's could go uh in the one, 261 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: could go early two. But you see the appeal with 262 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: a guy like that who has size, has length, has 263 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: that short areas, just doesn't have that elite long speed dan. 264 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: This question is from Laois on Twitter. Some news that 265 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: Evan Neil had a failed medical for some teams and 266 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: he's off their draft boards. Possibility that he falls to 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers at seventeen, is he worths a pick? And 268 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: I you know what I think about Jonathan Allen a 269 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: few years ago where he was like a consensus like 270 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: top three, top five pick and the medical dropped him 271 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: to seventeen overall in Washington. I don't know how how 272 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: true these rumors are and if you even know, but 273 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the ladies with Evan Neil and where 274 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: he could potentially go? Yeah, I mean unless there's a 275 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: gas mask involved, I don't. I don't think we're gonna 276 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: see Evan Neil fall that far. But you know what 277 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: it's the medicals are definitely the one part of the 278 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: process where you know you're you're just kind of crossing 279 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: your fingers, you know, like talking to scouts. They'll go 280 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: into final draft meetings and look up on the board, 281 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: where's my guy and you find out, oh, the he 282 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: got dinged for a knee or you know, went to 283 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: combine rechecks and he's not aggressing the way you want 284 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: to see. And so that the doctor and each team 285 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: does it differently with medicals. A lot of teams use 286 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: the grading system one, two, three, four. If you're a one, 287 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to be considered. If you're a two, 288 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: probably not threes. When you're okay, you know, maybe we 289 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: can compromise a little bit. So you know, it's up 290 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: to you. You gotta trust your doctors, you gotta trust 291 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: the people on staff who know a lot more in 292 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: that department than than you do as a decision maker. 293 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: And so with Evan Neil, I have not heard anything 294 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: to that extent um. And I've talked that several teams 295 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: about some of the injury guys in this raft, and 296 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Evan Neil has has not come up. But that doesn't 297 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: mean that for a few teams that maybe you know, 298 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: some some teams are more strict than others with their 299 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: their medical guidelines and you know their appetite for risk um. 300 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: You know, like Kenyan Green from Texas A and m 301 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: uh there, he's got a knee where some teams are 302 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: more worried about it than others and it's one of 303 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: those things that he could go out and play tomorrow, 304 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: no problem, but long term, maybe there there could be 305 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: some thing there. So each team kind of looks at 306 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: it a little bit differently. But I'd still be surprised 307 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: if we saw a guy like Evin Neil fall all 308 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: the way out of the top fifteen. That question was 309 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: asked with powder blue glasses on. I think, yeah, a 310 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: good way to put it. Good since you brought up 311 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Kenyan just you know, between him and Zion Johnson and 312 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: you know when Quentin Wilson, when Quentin Nelson came out 313 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, it's number one player in 314 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: the draft. Well, he's an interior linement and we know 315 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: how effective and how important he's been for the Colts. 316 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: But that is rare where teams want to expand that 317 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: high of a pick on an interior exclusively interior lineman. 318 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: The top two guards if we're talking about surprises, it's seventeen. 319 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: You know, how good? Like, give us an idea, Dante 320 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: on your evaluation, how good these top two guards are 321 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: that you have. You know, it seems like there's two 322 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: right that are projected to be first rounders in terms 323 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: of interior linement. How good are they? Yeah, I think 324 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: we'll see both Zion Johnson Boston College and Kenyan Green 325 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: for Texas and m a good chance of the first 326 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: two interior offensive lineman drafted ahead of Tyler Linderbaum from Iowa, 327 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: who a lot of teams view as a center only, 328 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: and that the lack of length with with Linderbaum is 329 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: an issue with Zion. He's a guy that just came 330 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: away from every single interview impressing that that team. He 331 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: is such a fun guy to talk to. Um. He's 332 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: a guy that is about to finish his master's degree 333 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: in cybersecurity policy and governance, So just talking to him 334 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: about that is interesting. UM. But his story is great too. 335 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: He was a golfer most of his life, decided to 336 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: try out football later on as a junior and senior 337 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: goes to Davidson part of a triple option offense there, 338 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: bets On himself goes to BC and the last three 339 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: years he has really developed into this, uh, this high 340 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: level blocker. UM. I think, you know, play strength, the 341 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: reaction skills, um, the intelligence that that he brings. This 342 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: guy just looks like a plug and play starter at 343 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: guard for the next you know how many years he 344 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: has that type of ability. So was Zion easy guy 345 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: to like? Played some center at Senior Bowl as well, 346 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: So I think there's some position flex there. I think 347 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: that's a good These are good names to bring up 348 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: because if you get totally wiped out at seventeen and 349 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: you can't move and you're stuck there. I mean, I 350 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: know guard isn't the sexiest pick, but you're still getting 351 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: a plug and play player who's going to immediately upgrade 352 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: your interior offensive line, give you depths at different positions. 353 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: And Kendian Green talk about that versatility. He started at 354 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: four different positions last year for at Texas A and 355 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: M both guard spots, bowl tackle spots. I think his 356 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: best position is guard. A guy that didn't test all 357 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: that well. I think that surprised some people by his 358 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Pro day and combine testing. But you love the balance 359 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: that he plays with before and after contact, so he 360 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: moves really well in space. He's a guy that did 361 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: not give up a ton of pressures, didn't give up 362 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: I think on one sack the last two years. The 363 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: body control that he plays with his outstanding. It needs 364 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: to fix a few you know, bad habits that you know, 365 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: clean up the penalties. But besides that, this is a 366 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: guy that has versatility. He has the mobility that you want, 367 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: the toughness. So I think both these players are going 368 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: to be off the board somewhere in the first pround, Dan, 369 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: I want to go back to edge players because you know, 370 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned it's the strength of the Chargers right now 371 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: from you know, a starting lineup perspective with Bosa and Mac. 372 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: But shoot, you don't know what's gonna happen in twenty 373 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: twenty three. And if this is a deep edge rusher class, 374 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: let's just say they are stuck in some of the 375 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: guys that they wanted that are non edge rushers are gone, 376 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: who would be there at seventeen That would maybe make 377 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: sense for the future. And it kind of goes in 378 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: line with this other question from Bolts Draft Talk. If 379 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: the Chargers do want to add an edge player, do 380 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: they have to do it before Day two ends because 381 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: of kind of that run. I think edge rush is 382 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: the one position this year where even if you wait 383 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: till Day three, I think there's gonna be at least 384 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: somebody there that you feel comfortable with that you know 385 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: you have some optimism about what he's gonna bring to 386 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: your team, and it's just just a loaded position. Like 387 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going through my edge rankings and I'm like, Wow, 388 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: I really like this guy, and then I stack him 389 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, he's my twenty first edge rusher. 390 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow. I mean, it's just there's 391 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: so many guys this year, and so many guys that 392 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: you could see being productive, having an impact different schemes. 393 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna see our one on these guys early. 394 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: But you know, this position will stretch. So even if 395 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: we see our one second round, third round day thrist that, 396 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I still think they'll be players. Obviously, you know, Travon Walker, 397 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: even Hutchinson, those guys are gonna go early. Cave On 398 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Thibodeau probably still somewhere in the top ten picks. Probably 399 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson's interesting. I know some teams like Jermaine Johnson 400 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: over cave On Tibodeau. We could see Jermaine Johnson go 401 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: as early as four, that is possible. At the same time, 402 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe we see Jermaine Johnson and uh, you know, if 403 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: he gets past a few teams, teams that I know 404 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: really like him, maybe he would fall to thirteen and 405 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: the Texans or I don't I'd be surprising he fell 406 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: all the way to seventeen, just because he's such a 407 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: good player and he plays a premium position. But but 408 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: you never know. And then after those top four. That's 409 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: where you know, there's some question marks, like a guy 410 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: like George Karloftus would perdue a lot of split opinions. 411 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: There's a I think the public would be surprised how 412 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: many second round grades there are on George Kaloftus, more 413 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: second round grades than first round grades on him. And 414 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: he's a good player. It's just a lot of teams 415 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: think he's kind of is what he is. You know, 416 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of hit that ceiling. It doesn't have a 417 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: ton of upside. But what he is right now is 418 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: a guy that can help get to the quarterback six 419 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: four two sixty six. Um. You know he's he's got 420 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: that initial burst, he's got strong hands. The motor just 421 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: doesn't quit on this guy. So uh now he's a 422 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: little little stiff and you wish he was just maybe 423 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: had a little more twitch to his game. But that's 424 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: why we're talking about him. Is maybe a late one 425 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: or an early two. But would seventeen be too early 426 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: to take him? Maybe it would, just you know, not 427 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: who knows how the Chargers have him ranked. I don't know. 428 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Karl Aftis because, like to 429 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: me and Chris knows this. I have a pretty biased 430 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: I just always have. I don't know why. I just 431 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: feel like that, for whatever reason, no matter the head coach, 432 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: that program just puts out ass kickers and just guys 433 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: that freaking eat glass and spit nails, and like that's 434 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: just what I see from him. You know, you talk 435 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: about stiffness and that sort of thing, but man, that 436 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: it just seemed like that guy was in the backfield 437 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: all the time all Like I would put his whatever 438 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: the measurable would be, pressures whatever, I would imagine he's 439 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: as good as anybody in this draft because it just 440 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: seemed like he was back there all the time. So 441 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: let's let's just play best case scenario here, Dan. Let's 442 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: say that you know, one of those wide receivers slips. 443 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: You've got Green Bay that's got two ones, You've got 444 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: new the Jets that got those two twos at thirty 445 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: four and thirty five, whatever those are, and and they 446 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: want to jump to seventeen. What about you know, just 447 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: just below because I think I think you said, I 448 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: think Carlaftus is going to go in the in the 449 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: first round, you know, So let's but what about that 450 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: next the boy a mafe the Epichett. He's like that 451 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: when you talk about deep, um like how I guess 452 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: what I want you to do is explain deep to us, 453 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: like starter pro Bowl level player, Like what does that 454 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: mean if let's say the Chargers were able to trade 455 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: back and and maybe pick up those two twos or 456 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: something like that. I think somebody that's going to come 457 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: in and make an impact on your team. So, you know, 458 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: even a team like the Chargers who are set as 459 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: their starting ends, a guy like Arnold Epiketty, it can 460 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: come in. It would not surprise me at all if 461 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: he's a sub package player but still has eight sacks 462 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: as a as a rookie, eight to ten sacks. That's 463 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: certainly possible with him because of the motor that he 464 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: plays with, the length that he has, He's got twitched 465 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: to his his his pass rush. Epicketty has been a 466 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: fun player to study. Ten player transferred to Penn State 467 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: for his final year and uh, you know, led the 468 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: team and tackles for a loss. He had a couple 469 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: of block field goals. I mean he really gave tackles 470 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: a hard time rushing off the edge. And you know, 471 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Logan Hall, I'm a big fan of his out of 472 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: Houston six six two eighty. Some teams do him as 473 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: a three technique, which is when he played at Houston. 474 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Other teams like him as an edge rusher. Uh, you know, 475 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: has that long frame where you just give him a 476 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: little runway and you know let him, uh you know, 477 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: build up that momentum and go through guys or use 478 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: his quickness to get around him. So Logan Hall from 479 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: Houston is a player that again as a sub package player, 480 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: I gotta can come in, give you snaps, give you 481 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: some little juice on passing downs. And then maybe the 482 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: most interesting of them all is is David Najaba from 483 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Michigan who basically needs a red shirt year. Uh. You know, 484 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: a guy that's been playing football for five years, Uh 485 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: is still learning. But uh, you know, even though he's 486 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: still has a long way to go. He had a 487 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: love and sack clash year. Don't luck into eleven sacks. 488 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: That he has a good understanding of pass rushing what 489 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: he's doing out there, But the achilles injury at the 490 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Pro day that that is obviously something that is una 491 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: gonna drop him a little bit. Could he still go 492 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: first round? Sure as possible? But I think there's a 493 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: better chance he goes early second somewhere. And you know, 494 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: could could the Chargers be interested in a trade back 495 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: scenario where gave it a job of Yeah, you have 496 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: to take your medicine a little bit in terms of 497 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: just kind of being patient and waiting, but that investment 498 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: might be worth it, especially when you feel good about 499 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: your current edge rush situation with your starters with Mac 500 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: and Bosa. Question for both of you guys, this is 501 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: from charges, Homer, Dan, what's more likely this year? Charges 502 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: trading up or charges trading down? Money? I'll ask you first, 503 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: and then Dane. You know we talked about I feel 504 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: like there's more people that want to trade back. Um, 505 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: what are you hearing after we are from money? Well, 506 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: quickly I would just say that because they don't have 507 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: their two to trade up is tough. I think there's 508 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of teams because I just look 509 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: at the Packers, the Chiefs. There are teams that have 510 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: got you know, the Chiefs have two ones, two twos, 511 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: two threes. Like to me, that's the prime trade up. 512 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: So there, and I think the price to jump because 513 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier, how many players are 514 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: there with those first run rades. The other issue is, 515 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: I think the contracts that are being handed out. I mean, 516 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: the wide receiver numbers that came out in free agency 517 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: are going to lead to a run on wide receivers. 518 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: So I think if that's what they're circling, if they 519 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: want Jamison Williams or if they want Drake Lunch something 520 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: like that, I think that's I just think it's price 521 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: prohibitive for them to be able to go up to 522 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: go back, I think makes sense. But it's what Dane 523 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: spoke of earlier. You know, do you have someone that 524 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: wants to jump into seventeen? Does one of those blue 525 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: chip players make it that far? You know where now 526 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: you can slide back because that's you know that that's 527 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: someone that that has that kind of value for a 528 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: team that has got more of those second and third 529 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: round you know, maybe they have multiple twos or they 530 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: have multiple threes, you know, and whatever that may be. 531 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: Like to me, those are the two scenarios that come 532 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: up where where it makes sense. I just then I 533 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: feel like trading up is going to be really tough 534 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: for the Chargers without a number two. Yeah, I know, 535 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: I think I had the same thought, I thought, I 536 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: think you nailed it without having that too. It does 537 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: make it tough. And I know this is a team 538 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: that isn't doesn't do a lot of trading back in 539 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: the first round. But if they have an opportunity to 540 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: do it with say the Chiefs, I think that that's 541 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: that's the perfect team that you know. But again, it's 542 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: in your division. You know, there's there's just some some 543 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: red tape there that you know, you never know. But yeah, 544 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: team they have multiple picks in the first four rounds, 545 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: so you feel like they have the most ammo to Like, 546 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: they're not drafting eight players in the first four rounds. 547 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: I'd be shot right if the Chiefs did that. So 548 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: how are they going to be creative? Where did they see? Um? So, 549 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: even though, like I know a lot of Chargers fans 550 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: on a wide receiver, maybe a run on receivers isn't 551 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: the worst thing because that means that maybe the Chart 552 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: or the Chiefs or maybe the Packers or one of 553 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: these other teams that really want one of those receivers, 554 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna be looking to move up and and you know, 555 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: Chargers guy could be a prime landing spot for them 556 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: to get whoever, whether it's Chris o Lava or Jamison Williams, 557 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: if he falls a little bit, Drake London, whoever. You know, 558 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: I think you know that the Cowboys. The Cowboys are 559 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: a team that if let's just say Drake London fell 560 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: a little bit, if Drake London's available, I think the 561 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: Cowboys would be a team very very interested and maybe 562 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: given up there too, moving up to get Drake London. 563 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I know it's a player they like a lot, and 564 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: so um Like I said, wide receiver run maybe, you know, 565 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: maybe not the best thing for the for the Chargers 566 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 1: fans that want receivers, but it could end up being 567 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: a good thing if you're hoping for that trade back 568 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: opportunity and teams get a little little spooked about, Okay, 569 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: which receiver is actually gonna be a left for us? 570 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: Maybe we have to move up to get our im 571 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: and if they're able to move back a few spots, 572 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: still love a first round pick, you get back that 573 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: second round pick. Maybe that that's the ideal situation for 574 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: this team. And we still haven't talk about the quarterback 575 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: run Dane when that could potentially happen, if it happens 576 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: at all, and could that happen before the Chargers select 577 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: at seventeen. What are you hearing about? You know, Malik 578 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Willis and pick it are those guys who could potentially 579 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: go before the Chargers select or is that something that 580 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: we may see a run maybe the back half of 581 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: the first round to get that extra year. Yeah, you 582 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: know I've mentioned this before, but just how you know, 583 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: teams they do their own mock drafts as much as 584 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: people mock mock drafts. Teams do their own because they 585 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: want to know, Okay, if we have the seventeenth pick, 586 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: who who's gonna be love for us? You know, the 587 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: first sixteen picks, how is that going to play out? 588 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: And you know, talking to those teams, they just have 589 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: they don't have a good feel for how these quarterbacks 590 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: if they're gonna go to top half a round one, 591 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: and if they do where you know with teams at 592 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: Seattle Atlanta wild card, I don't think Caroline has taken 593 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Atlanta is a little bit of a wild card, 594 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: but I would I would lean not a quarterback. Seattle's 595 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: very much a wild card. They they do what they want, 596 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. They 597 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: always do what they want and could it be a quarterback. 598 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: It's possible that every everything's wide open for them now 599 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson no longer in town, so that Seattle 600 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: becomes very interesting. But if quarterbacks get past those spots, 601 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: unless the Steelers trade up, there's a good chance no 602 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are off the board in the first in the 603 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: top half a round one, So you know, it's it's 604 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: a it's a complete juxtaposition compared to last year. When 605 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, last year doing a mock draft was not easy, 606 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: but easier because we had those tent poles. We had quarterbacks. 607 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: We knew quarterbacks are going to one, two, three, We 608 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: knew Justin Fields was going top twelve somewhere. We knew 609 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones was going to go somewhere in mid first round. 610 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: So you know, it's a little bit easier to do 611 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: a mock draft and to forecast these things because we 612 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: had those tent poles with those quarterbacks. This year, no 613 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: tent poles, We don't how you know, nobody, nobody in 614 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: the NFL has a good feel for exactly where that 615 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: first quarterback is going to come off the board. Will 616 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: there be a run? Could we see? Uh? You know, 617 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: like like Matt Correll. Not a ton of buzz on 618 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: Matt Correll. But would it be a shock if a 619 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: team traded into the back half around one that to 620 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: pick thirty to get to get a guy like Matt Correll. No, 621 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be that surprising at all, just 622 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: because these these quarterbacks are such wild cards. Dan, you know, 623 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: just kind of going back to the and it just 624 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: popped into my head when you were talking about Drake 625 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: London sliding. You know, I don't know if you had 626 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: the same experience, but when I was at the combine, 627 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: you know I had. It was just one person, but 628 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: someone whose opinion I respect. When we were talking about, Hey, 629 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: what how is it laying out for you? He said, 630 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: trailing burchch is my number one receiver. I just think 631 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: he can do more than anybody else. I think it 632 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: is a size league and for you know, there are 633 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: certain teams that they have their thresholds and to me, 634 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: he's going to fit into one of those. And and 635 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, the numbers aren't 636 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: what people want. And when you go back and watch 637 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: all the stuff, I think it is okay to do 638 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: the debout comparison. He's big, he's physical. He seems a 639 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: heck of a lot more athletic than people are giving 640 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: him credit for. Like, would that be a would that 641 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: be a surprise pick to you if the Chargers, knowing 642 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: how creative Joe Lombardi is offensively, if they grabbed trailing 643 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Burk's and why has the buzz just kind of disappeared 644 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: from that guy? Yeah? And I mean I've think taken 645 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: some heat for you know, calling him a linebacker sise 646 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, But I think it. I mean, I'm with 647 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: you when you look at his play style and the 648 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: way that uh, you know, he was used in an 649 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: Arkansas offense where basically just manufacturing touches for him, using 650 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: him in the slot, using him in motion, using him 651 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: on pitches, and all these different things just to get 652 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands because they were smart they 653 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: knew he was the best player in the field. With 654 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Burke's I think, you know, he ran the four five 655 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: five at the on buying, which you expected better because 656 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: this is a guy that I mean, show me the 657 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: film where he gets caught from behind. It's not out there. 658 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: He's got that speed. But with him, I think part 659 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: of it is towards the end of the season, he 660 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: was kind of pushing two forty. That weight was a 661 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: little kind of got away from a little bit. It 662 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: was two twenty five at the combine. But you know, 663 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: just keeping the weight in check, and then just how 664 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: raw he is as a route runner. Um, you know, 665 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna face a pretty big transition. Uh, if you're 666 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna play him as the X, you'ren play him outside. Um, 667 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, facing press coverage in the NFL and defeating 668 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: press getting to his route. That's gonna be a big 669 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: transition for him. And so I think that's where the 670 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: hang up is. That's where you know, the doubt starts 671 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: to creep in with Traylan Burkes is just being a 672 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: route technician and that part of the game at the 673 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: NFL level. He's just not quite ready for that. But 674 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: it's not that he can't do it. It's just he's 675 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: a little more proven some of these other guys when 676 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: it comes to being a true outside route runner. But 677 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: if Burks went, you know, to the Chargers in the 678 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: first round, I don't think that'd be a huge surprise 679 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: because he is still a He's a big time playmaker. 680 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: This guy had eleven touchdowns last year in the SEC. 681 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: He is dangerous with the ball in his hands, throwing 682 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: the Alabama tape and watch these Alabama defensive backs trying 683 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: to catch this guy. They couldn't do it. So I 684 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: think of Burks is a weapon, and I think somewhere 685 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: in that probably the back half a round one is 686 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: where he's going to going to go. Could be as 687 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: early as you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, could slip to 688 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, but he's right there 689 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: in that mix. Dan. Last one for me, it's just 690 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: just two guys that we didn't talk about today but 691 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about in the past is Devin Lloyd from Utah. 692 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if the Chargers are gonna go 693 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: linebacker in the first round. And I really just think 694 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: that they're gonna stick and pick because there's so many 695 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: different scenarios in which you know, you get a good 696 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: player that can make a difference in twenty twenty two. 697 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: Someone's gonna be there. Devin Lloyd, What are you hearing 698 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: about him? And then I keep going back to Chris Alave, 699 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Like you know, we talked about all these wide receivers 700 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: and all the money that's being handed out. I think 701 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: the Chargers are in a good place with Mike Williams 702 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: and Keenan Allen right now, but Chris Alave could be 703 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: that that compliment to both of them that really makes 704 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: this offense go. Yeah. I mean, Devin Lloyd's just such 705 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: a fun player. It's one of the best defensive players 706 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: in this draft because he could do everything. You don't 707 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: need to take him off the field. He's a true 708 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: four down player and so a guy with his blend 709 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: of instincts, the way he sees the field, the explosiveness, 710 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, he had over one hundred tackles, 711 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: he had twenty two tackles for loss, he had four interceptions. 712 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: He impacted the game in so many different ways. And 713 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, coming off a first round last year where 714 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: we saw Michael Parsons go twelve overall and have the 715 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: rookie season he did, Devin Lloyd is not Michael Parsons. 716 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the same type of size, he's not 717 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have that build, he's not the same type of athlete. 718 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: But in terms of impacting the game in all these 719 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: different ways that Michael Parsons is able to do. Devin 720 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: Lloyd can do some of that. That that versatility that 721 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: he brings is big. The way he can uh you know, 722 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: defeat blocks, uh not strictly by being a take on player, 723 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: but the way he can weave through traffic, the way 724 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: he gets a head start and beats blockers to the 725 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: point of attack. I mean that that's what he does. 726 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: And so as an offball player, as an offball linebacker, 727 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: a lot of teams they don't necessarily target that position early. 728 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: So I Devin Lloyd could absolutely be on the board 729 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: in the late teens, early twenties, and it'll be interesting. 730 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: There are a few teams in there that you know, 731 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: you could see a fit, you know, whether that's uh, 732 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots of twenty one or you know, 733 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: even going into the twenties, the Titans at twenty six, 734 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and there's a few teams that make a lot of 735 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: sense of Packers at twenty two. So I think Devin 736 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Lloyd is the favorite to be the first linebacker drafted, 737 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: not not a lock. Some teams still like Nakobe Dean. 738 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: Some teams have Quay Walker, his teammate at Georgia, as 739 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: the top linebacker, So where we see that first linebacker 740 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: come off the board will be interesting. And then yeah, 741 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned Chris Olave and he's such an easy player 742 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: to appreciate. You just enjoyed watching him and you know, 743 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: coming from California, like, I'm an Ohio guy, so you 744 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: know watching Ohio State week in week out, Christal Lave 745 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: that he was a three star recruit, like the third 746 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: lowest recruit in Ohio States class that year it was 747 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: two as an eighteen, and you know he's making these 748 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,959 Speaker 1: plays as a freshman. It's like, Okay, who is this guy? 749 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: And you know, why is he scoring touchdowns against Michigan 750 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: when you know these other highly towed receivers aren't doing it. 751 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: And then you just I think Ohio States fans have 752 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: just been spoiled with Christal Lave because he's been so smooth, 753 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: so consistent the last four years. It's easy to appreciate 754 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: his game. Now, is he livinged in some of those areas. Yeah, 755 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy physicality, worry about the yak's 756 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: yak productions not there. But a guy that's just a professional. 757 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: The way he goes about his business, the way he 758 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: can create separation, you add that to a charger's offense 759 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: that has already has, you know, the firework potential with 760 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: the talent with Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, and you know, 761 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: even though they did go wide receiver the third round 762 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: last year with Palmer, you add a Lava to that mix. 763 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean again, I think you you keep going back 764 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: to part of your decision making is you want to 765 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: draft someone that everyone else in your division is going 766 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: to go, oh crap, and a Lava could be one 767 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: of those guys where the other teams in your division 768 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: are like, Okay, how many corners do we have now 769 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: because we got to cover all these guys and Chris 770 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: a Lava could be one of those oh crap guys 771 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: for the rest of the teams in the in the 772 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 1: AFC West. All right, So my eyes have been wandering 773 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: on the video here because I was just kind of 774 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: taking a peek at the draft capitol chart to see, 775 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: if you know, since we're doing this before the first round, 776 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: we're going to reconvene and we can talk about days 777 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: two and three after the first round. But let's just say, 778 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: you know, Green Bay scot the two ones. Let's say 779 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: they want to trade the Chargers twenty eight and their second. 780 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: That would line up in terms of the number for 781 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: seventeen if the Chargers throw them the fourth, so they 782 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: give them their one and their four, Green Bay gives 783 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: them their last one and their two, and you're talking 784 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: about an even number. That's a fair trade. Now here's 785 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: what I'm going to propose. Tell me if this is crazy, 786 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: and Chris you can weigh in on this as well. 787 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: Just I think about what Jonathan Taylor has meant to 788 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: the Colts and how the Chargers are looking for that 789 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: compliment Austin Eckler. And for people that have watched Austin, 790 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: they know he's not a running back. He's a weapon. 791 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: Now he is a hell of a running back. He 792 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: will bang between the tackles. But I think about Lombardi 793 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: and he was with Sean Payton when you had Deuced 794 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: and you had Reggie Bush at the same time. And 795 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: we know that there are ways to work with two 796 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: guys like Breece Hall and Austin Eckler because they are 797 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: full service running backs. Does that make sense to you? 798 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: Could you see there being value in the number one 799 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: running back in the draft being taken at the back 800 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: end of that round. Well, hey, what do we say 801 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: Right before Buddy came on, I said, Zia Johnson trade 802 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: back and Bruce Hall, Like, I feel like that would 803 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: complete charge his offense. Yeah, no, we did. We were 804 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: talking about it before we hit record. H Yeah, that's 805 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: fascinating and and and I don't I don't hate it. 806 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean with like, personally, I think Kenneth Walker's the 807 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: best running back in his in his draft, but I 808 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: know plenty of other people believe Bruce Hall is that guy. 809 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: But either one of these players I think you're adding, 810 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: you may add that to the offense. You add that 811 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 1: to the recipe here. You could do a lot of things. 812 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean to think about a guy like like Greecee 813 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: Hall and Austin Eckler on the field at the same time, 814 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of like what you're saying, Austin 815 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: Eckler can go out, you know, motion them out in 816 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: the slot, you know, keep them in the back, whatever 817 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: you want to do with them. Yeah, if you if 818 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: you have the offensive coordinator, if you believe that he 819 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: the Lombardy has the creativity to use all these guys, 820 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: then should absolutely be part of your thought process. So 821 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: I love the out out of the box. Thinking on 822 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: that one, Dan, the last installment of Crossfire is coming 823 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: out today. We're taking this on a Tuesday. You give 824 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: us your selection for the charges of seventeen overalls. Check 825 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: that out. And then also you're doing something at a 826 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: draft house in Vegas, a live show on day's one 827 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: and two. Tell us about that. Yeah, yeah, for the Athletic, 828 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: we're doing a live covering every pick Thursday night, Friday night, myself, 829 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: Robert May's, Nate Tye. It's gonna be a lot of fun. 830 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: And so uh yeah, we've got a house in Vegas, 831 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: and so uh, you know, it's gonna be fun to 832 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, go over these picks as they happen. And 833 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: and like I said, this is gonna be such an 834 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: unpredictable draft that it's gonna be fun to experience these 835 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: picks real time with everybody else and and figure it 836 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: out as we go. So I cannot wait for It's 837 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. Hopefully people check it out, 838 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, just check on the Athletic or on Twitter 839 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: at DP Brugler. I'll definitely be posting the links, so 840 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: hopefully people check it out. So if you're the house. 841 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: Does that mean like I come to the the Athletic 842 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: Draft House and and I'm gambling with against you, Like 843 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: you're the house and you're dealing blackjack and you're running 844 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: the craps table and I'm now gambling against. Is that 845 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: what you mean by you guys have a house, Like 846 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: you're going to be the house now that you mention it. 847 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: I mean draft props have become a pretty big thing. 848 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: It's over unders, over under two and a half quarterbacks 849 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: in the first round. I mean that's tough. Some of 850 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: the uh you know, over under the tenth pick, Like, 851 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy some of the props out there. So hey, 852 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: we could have some fun with that. I like that 853 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: you're not getting Nevada Gaming Commission. No, we're not gonna 854 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: have fun, okay, yeah yeah, no, no, yeah, you're not. 855 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: You're not giving the address away to this house. I 856 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: take it exactly. No, no, no, And I actually I 857 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: don't even know the address yet. I I'll find out 858 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: when I land in Vegas tomorrow. Oh hey, next week, 859 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: um Money's gonna have some punter questions. Get your punter 860 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: rankings out. We'll see what happens. I know, Ariza punt god. 861 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: Maybe over under two and a half punters drafted. Okay, 862 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: I'd go over. I think i'd go I think i'd 863 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: go over. Um right, it seems like it seems like 864 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: you got the three with Comar to be in the third. 865 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned that, right, right, so good. Jaymarta could be 866 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: uh could be the fourteen Georgia player drafted, which would 867 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: which would record just incredible. Yeah, yeah, it could could be. 868 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: Uh could be. Hopefully he does get drafted and the 869 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: name something something more to talk about. That's right, thanks 870 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: to the punters, see punters or people too. Were not 871 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: for that guy, Georgia wouldn't have the record of drafted players. 872 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: We're on a we're on a three episode streak of 873 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: closing the podcast talk Yeah day, safe travels, man money, 874 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: you're the best, and guys, we will reconvene next week 875 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: and talk about what the Chargers did