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Speaker 1: Here we go, Welcome in our number two. Sorry, Nick

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Speaker 1: Wright's gonna be joining us in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: So we're two weeks down. We head into week three.

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night, Buffalo is gonna hammer Miami.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have.

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Speaker 1: That's probably gonna be a very fluid situation in Miami.

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Speaker 1: If you watched Mike McDaniel at the podium to the

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Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, like he looks unnerved, he has

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Speaker 1: lost his fast. Like the whole organization now is just

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Speaker 1: swimming in uncertainty. And so I think that will be decided.

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Speaker 1: Would if they get blown out, somebody may lose a job.

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like in Miami.

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Speaker 1: All right, j Mac, It is the Herd hierarchy. Just

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Speaker 1: a heads up. The chiefs are not in it. I'll

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Speaker 1: explain that in a second, and here we go.

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Speaker 2: Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according

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Speaker 2: to College number ten.

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Speaker 1: I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster

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Speaker 1: than people want to admit. They've already got a star

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Speaker 1: in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, Pierce offensive line

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Speaker 1: controlled the NFL leading team in sacks Denver. Denver could

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Speaker 1: not get the Daniel Jones first team in NFL history

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Speaker 1: that went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been

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Speaker 1: on this for two years. I think they have an

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Speaker 1: excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.

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Speaker 1: Jones plays at this B to B plus level. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna win this division. Colts at ten, number nine Commanders

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Speaker 1: now played Packers Thursday. They're gonna be fine because Terry

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Speaker 1: McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're one of six

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Speaker 1: teams without a giveaway this season. Like last year, they're

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Speaker 1: very efficient. They don't give it away. They just haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to get the offense right because McLaurin was

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Speaker 1: a holdout. Well, now off the Packer loss, they get

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Speaker 1: extra time Deebo and McLaurin. They play the Raiders, who

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Speaker 1: just lost at home. I think Washington, I'm a buyer

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Speaker 1: here is going to this week look like the Washington

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Speaker 3: I like them.

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Speaker 1: They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.

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Speaker 1: I like Washington at nine, number eight. I got to

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Speaker 1: give the forty nine ers credit. They're not even healthy.

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Speaker 1: Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,

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Speaker 1: two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts

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Speaker 1: for something. They've been great on third down, one of

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Speaker 1: fifty percent rate, and again Brandon Nayuk's hurt, George Kittle,

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Speaker 1: Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in touches right now.

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Speaker 1: So I'm always impressed when you can deal with injuries,

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Speaker 1: go on the road and win, I don't care who

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Speaker 3: Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two

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Speaker 1: road games, and dating back to last season, they've won

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Speaker 1: eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second

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Speaker 1: in passing yard since twenty twenty three, and last night

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Speaker 1: was classic. They got a punt block, their special teams

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Speaker 1: some of these teams in front, when you can win

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Speaker 3: The hurt hierarchy. Number six, maybe I have them too low.

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Speaker 3: I'd put the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if Hampton and Najie Harris when they're

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Speaker 1: But let's be honest about the Chargers right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: their offense hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert under Jim Harbaugh thirty touchdowns and three picks.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson

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Speaker 3: Matters a lot.

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Speaker 2: Number five.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I worry about the back end of their defense, but

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Speaker 3: A World Series.

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Speaker 1: You can just pencil them in to win their division.

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Speaker 1: The GM, the coach, the owner, all great across the board.

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Speaker 1: Now their pass defense is going to bite them in

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Speaker 1: the you know what at some point this year. But

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Speaker 1: And their schedule is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming

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Speaker 1: up like Brady in this division. They're going to win

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Speaker 1: because in the AFC there's too many good quarterbacks. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are going to get healthy. These games are going

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Speaker 3: Again, this team least.

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Speaker 1: even tell you the last time they missed on a

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Speaker 1: number two Philadelphia. Their passing game worries me. I mean

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Speaker 1: So Jalen hurts. I mean AJ Brown has six catches

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Speaker 1: I have them at two, number one.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I don't think Green Bay as a flaw.

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Speaker 1: I think the cake was really good and then you

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Speaker 3: They're stacked and they're not paying any of them.

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Speaker 1: So I think green Bay is by far and away

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Speaker 1: Kansas City at eleven. I have Denver troubling. They've been

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Speaker 1: winning games now Xavier Worthy comes back. But I couldn't

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Speaker 3: He by didn't like that Colts pick.

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Speaker 4: It's bad.

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Speaker 5: You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin, I

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Speaker 5: don't like. I don't like when you do bad things.

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Speaker 5: I have so much respect for you that, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 5: I saw that, and you know what it reminded me of.

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Speaker 5: And you joh about their roster and Daniel Jones heard

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Speaker 5: Hierarchy twenty twenty four, Week three. Have you seen the

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Speaker 4: It? Oh, Alvin Kamara looks like young Alba Kamara.

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Speaker 5: Soft division look out for New Orleans. I don't know

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Speaker 5: that's what's going to happen to the Colts, but it

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Speaker 5: feels very Saints have the best open to a season

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs right now don't deserve If it's based purely

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Speaker 5: And I think it's what you're right, and I think

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Speaker 5: what you're saying is correct, which is they If this

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Speaker 5: I would like if I may, to spend a moment

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Speaker 4: And then rock Perty comes.

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Speaker 4: Books like, hey, he left the Super Bowl field with

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Speaker 5: They are looking at Mac Jones rookie year, Pro bowl

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Speaker 4: Season, I do it. Can I ask you one charger

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Speaker 5: The thing I've liked the least about the Chiefs start

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Speaker 4: I don't love that he feels like.

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Speaker 4: Ball of his life, without question.

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Speaker 1: I are frenemies. Were all good and so much of

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Speaker 1: what I see with Ben Johnson and Caleb, which is

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Speaker 1: two talented people that don't fit. Baker is perfect in

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Speaker 1: Tampa because Cleveland was all Hugh Jackson and Greg Williams

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Speaker 1: and the bitter Cleveland media, and he goes to sleepy

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Speaker 1: Tampa and right now there is no argument he's a

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Speaker 1: top seven, eight, nine quarterback in the league, and I

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Speaker 1: think Tampa is a It's the perfect marriage, right like

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Speaker 1: it just no pressure. The media is helpful, they're not bitter.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of what you're watching?

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Speaker 4: All right? So a few things.

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Speaker 5: One is, maybe take another run at Baker with the

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Speaker 5: pod now that I'm part of the Volume team. Unlike

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Speaker 5: you guys, Baker and Iron frenemies, we're just actual friends.

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Speaker 5: I'd even be maybe be wanting to do an extra

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Speaker 5: So we should talk about that. As far as your

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Speaker 5: top seven or eight right over the last two years, Colin, well,

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Speaker 5: a year and two weeks since the beginning of last season,

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Speaker 5: he is top three or four in the NFL in

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Speaker 5: everything in yards, in touchdowns and rating and completion percentage.

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Speaker 5: Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,

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Speaker 5: he justin Herbert and Lamar in some order or another,

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Speaker 5: probably the top three and I think Tampa has a

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Speaker 5: real shot. And listen, I picked Tampa to go to

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Speaker 5: the super Bowl in large part because I thought they

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Speaker 5: could have the number one seed. I think Philly and

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Speaker 5: Green Bays divisions are so much tougher than what Baker's

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Speaker 4: Be dealing with.

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Speaker 5: I think they could have an extraordinary season and starting

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Speaker 5: the year two games on the road, two games trailing late,

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Speaker 5: two games game winning drives.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty special. Now to your point about.

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Speaker 5: Cleveland, I think Cleveland could have been perfect for him,

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Speaker 5: and the fact like Cleveland was, his ruggedness and trash

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Speaker 5: talking and all of it should have fit Cleveland. But

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Speaker 5: the Browns, in their infinite wisdom, saw a player they

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Speaker 5: drafted number one overall win a playoff game for the

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Speaker 5: Cleveland Browns in year three, then almost upset the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: in Arrowhead to go to the AFC title game. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and a year later, because Odell's dad put out a

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Speaker 5: mixtape of missthrows, they were like, we can do better.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the biggest missteps any team has made

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Speaker 5: in the most important position in decades.

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Speaker 4: You drafted the kid number one overall.

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Speaker 5: He sets the rookie record for touchdown passes, after you

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Speaker 5: had gone one and thirty one the two years before

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Speaker 5: he got there. Year three, he's winning a playoff game

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Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh and you're done with him. It was bananas

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Speaker 5: what happened. And I'm so glad he is now establishing

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Speaker 5: himself and now staring at this coming off season one

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Speaker 5: of those fifty five million dollars a year contracts, because

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Speaker 5: at the moment he's one of the two best bargains.

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Speaker 4: And olds in the whole sport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now was saying this morning, there's ten two

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Speaker 1: most of the and two teams are the teams that

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Speaker 1: every April lead the draft. Take the Chiefs out, They'll

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I think

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Speaker 1: they're fine. And I also think Houston's okay. They just

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Speaker 1: can't run block and CJ. Strouge running for his life,

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Speaker 1: so they Colts look better. Blah blah blah. But I

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Speaker 1: do think there's a truth about the NFL with a

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Speaker 1: hard cap, that ownership matters, GMS matter, And I look

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Speaker 1: at the Chicago Bears and I said this yesterday. Wonderful

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Speaker 1: people get divorced and find their perfect mate. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're bad people, but fit is important. And Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson is a timing structure coach and Caleb is terrific

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Speaker 1: in opening drives and then he starts freelancing and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like it fits. It doesn't mean Caleb couldn't

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Speaker 1: work with Andy Reid, but I watched this Chicago thing

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, it's not the coaching because on script,

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Speaker 1: the two opening drives have been remarkable. But Caleb is

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Speaker 1: just too talented. There's too much horsepower, you know, to

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Speaker 3: Nick, I don't think it works. I don't think Ben

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Speaker 5: So I here is my pushback on that one is

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Speaker 5: that sincerely, really great spot with Tom Brady last week

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Speaker 5: when you mentioned that your new kind of line of

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Speaker 5: demarcation is Thanksgiving year two and that you've sped it

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Speaker 5: up from where you were previously, even by that kind

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Speaker 5: of expedited process. We're not there yet with Caleb. We're

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Speaker 5: certainly not there yet with Caleb and Ben, who have

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Speaker 5: two games together. My other pushback to what would be

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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson picked the Bears because of Caleb so he

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Speaker 5: must think that. I mean, he obviously watched Caleb knew

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Speaker 5: who he was as a player, and said, yes, that's

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Speaker 5: being a little hasty in that regard that this won't work.

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Speaker 5: I do think work in progress is correct. I also

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Speaker 5: must tell you I feel personally a little silly secting

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams when right above his name on the bar

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Speaker 5: it says the Bears allowed fifty two points to the Lions.

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Speaker 5: I do think that probably was the bigger problem on

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Speaker 1: I said this is that if I used an example

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Speaker 1: after about three years he's like, guys, I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: in the law firm would be like, totally get it.

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Speaker 1: Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunson leaves

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Speaker 1: I need shots.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does. Luke is the

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Speaker 1: But AJ Brown plays Tennessee the most run centric team,

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Speaker 1: he's an NBA player that can't get any shots. But

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Speaker 1: yet in the end, which is all about the shield

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Speaker 1: guy can't ask for a trade. I would totally support

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Speaker 1: Aj Brown if he just said, guys, I love you.

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Speaker 1: terrible fit. Go throw to Devonte. Am I wrong on this?

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Speaker 4: No, and I so a couple things. One is and

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Speaker 5: I'll email it Tom if you want, because if you this,

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Speaker 5: I hadn't heard.

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Speaker 4: You make this point. Aj Brown told us as much.

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Speaker 5: I get my love for the game is what demoralizing

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Speaker 4: Showing my excellence. He told us that's.

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Speaker 5: Who he is, and that's part of the reason he's

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Speaker 5: happen to think that if Ceedee.

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Speaker 5: And if Travis Kelcey catches a ball, and the Eagles,

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Speaker 5: instead of being two and zero, are either zero to

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Speaker 5: after the Carolina game said we need to improve on passing.

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Speaker 5: That then led to you know, the Jalen's big game

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Speaker 5: the whole thing. They were in the midst of. They

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Speaker 5: less targets, less opportunity at any point in his career

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Speaker 4: I think it is at a simmer.

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Speaker 5: It will absolutely be at a full boil if they

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Speaker 5: And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last

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Speaker 5: AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he

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Speaker 5: would be wrong. Their offense had Their best offensive play

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Speaker 5: has been uh Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind if AJ or blame AJ if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday, Joe Burrow, it gets

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Speaker 3: Now Josh Allen can get away with it.

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Speaker 1: But I watched Big Ben and Cam Newton huge man

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Speaker 1: took shots. And I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you're you've got a normal frame. It's a six two

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Speaker 4: This is Burrow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on

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Speaker 5: Burrow is so I'm so it's so interesting you said

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Speaker 5: Burrow is so intent and so excellent at what I

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Speaker 5: called yesterday big game hunting that he is. In week

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Speaker 5: getting the snot kicked out of him Colin. And it

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Speaker 5: wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could have checked

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt. It

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Speaker 5: you have to protect yourself in different ways. And I

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Speaker 5: the reason I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin.

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Speaker 5: He plays a lot like Ben did, which is, there

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna shake you off.

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Speaker 5: But Big Ben was called Big Ben because he was

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Speaker 5: six five and a half, huge and impossible to bring down.

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Speaker 5: Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.

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Speaker 5: It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point

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Speaker 5: we don't hit this third and eight, we can recover

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Speaker 5: is where I'll leave it, Colin. He is likely going

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Speaker 5: is next year he likely becomes the NFL's first ever

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Speaker 5: three times Comeback Player of the Year winner. And you

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Speaker 5: don't want that, And it's a shame for Joe because

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Speaker 5: he's such a great player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an

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Speaker 1: empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always

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Speaker 1: throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they

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Speaker 1: don't spend money on defense, so he's only able to

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Speaker 1: win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low scoring games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten ten and

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Speaker 1: a half. But there is something to be said about

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Speaker 1: And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty twenty

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Speaker 1: on the Bengals, but when guys are setting hurt over something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm going to.

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Speaker 5: Give your producers one other job real quick. You just

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Speaker 5: said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great meme that

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Speaker 5: describes that it's a Lamborghini parked in front of a traphouse.

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Speaker 5: Throw that on the screen for Colin at some point.

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Speaker 5: He'll like it because that's what the Bengals built.

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Speaker 6: Our own.

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Speaker 5: Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as you

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Speaker 5: get everything else, as you know, leaky fawsts and crack foundations.

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Speaker 4: It's no good.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you, brother, all right, Nick?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Also, Last Hour Danny Parkins on the misery of being

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Speaker 1: a Bears fan, and Julian Edelman as well.

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Speaker 3: Sean mcfay is so intense as a coach.

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Speaker 4: J mack.

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Speaker 3: He got injured during the Tennessee game. Guitaurus plantar fasciidims,

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Speaker 3: whatever that is. I've heard of it, somebody injury. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mcveathis so painful apparently. Yeah, I mean we you know,

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Speaker 1: there are It just used to feel like years ago.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of defensive coaches and there were a

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Speaker 1: couple of hot shot offensive coaches. You know, it could

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Speaker 1: be you know, a Bill Walsh or and Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: or a Don Coriel. And there were a handful of

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Speaker 1: really good offensive coaches, but it felt like there used

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Speaker 1: to be more defensive coaches. I mean, Sean mcvay's coaching tree,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, there are so Shanahan, there are so many

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Speaker 1: good offensive coaches right now.

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Speaker 3: I was I did a list last night.

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Speaker 1: I was at home and I did a list of

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks I think are capable of getting to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And I came up with twenty one. And then I

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Speaker 1: didn't count mac Jones, Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones, who

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Speaker 1: all had great weekends. Nor did I count Pennix or

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Speaker 1: Drake May or cam Ward who look really good.

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Speaker 3: But I don't annoyed them.

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Speaker 1: We're getting to a saturation point if cam Ward can play,

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Speaker 1: and I think we both think he can. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big believer in Michael Pennix. I think Drake May is

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Speaker 1: gonna get there. I don't know what with Caleb or

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. But I mean the fact that Russ, mac

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Speaker 1: Jones and Daniel Jones tore the league up, tore it

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Speaker 1: up Sunday tells you are offensive coaching right now. I

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Speaker 1: mean I always felt in the NFL that are about

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Speaker 1: ten teams that needed a quarterback. I mean, is there

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Speaker 1: like six and we're going into a huge quarterback draft there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just watching Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson, Mac Jones tear

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Speaker 1: it up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, not just play.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Daniel Jones is ten for his first ten possessions

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Speaker 1: this year. There's some good quarterback play and excellent offensive coaching.

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Speaker 3: That's all end state. J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd line News.

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Speaker 8: Let's get started with the Houston Texans, those gig gigantic

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Speaker 8: frauds who let us down last night.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: C J.

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Speaker 6: Stroud has been putrid. And you know we got.

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Speaker 8: A guy on staff here trying to sell me well,

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Speaker 8: the offensive line and the blocking tight end and Christian

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Speaker 8: Kirk and all these injuries.

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Speaker 3: Stop it.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 9: C J.

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Speaker 6: Stroud is four for eighteen on third down. Colin.

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Speaker 8: The Texans are zero and three in They're zero for

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Speaker 8: three in the red zone. They their offense is a joke.

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Speaker 8: Right now, he knows the offense has to be better.

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Speaker 8: Here's Stroud at the podium.

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Speaker 10: As a team, we all just stay together. Everybody's gonna

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Speaker 10: talk crazy and we suck. We did, we had and

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Speaker 10: at the end of the day, we got to stay

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Speaker 10: together and just mesh well. And you know, be honest,

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Speaker 10: I have hard conversations. But you know, I think right

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Speaker 10: now we need more confidence as a as an offense,

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Speaker 10: at least just confident playing better together. I think that's

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Speaker 10: a big thing.

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Speaker 1: We're all, Yeah, they can't run the ball, so it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of third and long. They're not great for

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Speaker 1: new starters in pass protect so I mean it's I

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Speaker 1: was thinking this last night when you watched the game,

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Speaker 1: because I thought Houston would win. Houston blocked to pund

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Speaker 1: had several big passes downfield, had a huge return, but

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Speaker 1: can't pick up a yard and the only team in

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Speaker 1: the league it's easier to complete a fifteen yard pass

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Speaker 1: than it is pick up two yards on a third

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Speaker 1: and two. They can't pick up short yards. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: against the Rams, they couldn't last night.

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Speaker 8: It's not just the run, though Stroud is way off

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Speaker 8: targeting Colin. They're on the doorstep in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 8: and Stroud misses two throws that a top ten quarterback

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Speaker 8: mix and listen. We need to have an honest conversation

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Speaker 8: about c J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 8: Yes, he was great as a rookie, Bryce Young struggled

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Speaker 8: and what before him in the draft.

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Speaker 1: C J.

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Speaker 8: Strouder regressed last year and CJ. Stroud so far this

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Speaker 8: year against two teams were in the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 8: Given that he has looked awful right now, you can't

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Speaker 8: convince me he's a top fifteen quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 6: I'm so, I'm not going.

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Speaker 3: To hear it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Baker ol played him last night's mile. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: inarguable Baker Mayfield right now now, I think Baker has

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Speaker 1: some advantages, a much better running back room even without

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Speaker 1: Tristan Wurf's better protection.

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Speaker 3: That matters. Emoo.

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Speaker 1: Buka is also going to be a star. Although he

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Speaker 1: had a drop last night.

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Speaker 6: It was an if he was a defender, came over

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Speaker 6: a man.

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Speaker 4: Great play.

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Speaker 1: But but I will say Baker's got the better role

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Speaker 1: line without Tristan Wurfs and Baker's got I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: got like two or three nights running back. Bucky Everrying's good,

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Speaker 1: good running back.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let's let me ask you. You love this game.

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Speaker 8: We do in the offseason, but I think it bears mentioning.

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Speaker 8: If I told you for the next two years you

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Speaker 8: could have Jared Goff for CJ.

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Speaker 6: Stroud, who are you taking? You got to think about that.

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Speaker 3: I still like c J. Stroud.

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Speaker 6: I think, my gosh, are you out of your mind?

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff has two great backs, a great tight end,

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Speaker 1: a star receiver, and two legitimate Pro Bowl tackles.

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Speaker 3: Well, what are you plan with? I mean CJ.

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Speaker 1: Strouds John Damon, bad protections, Jordan Lover, c J.

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Speaker 3: Strout, Jordan Love easy.

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Speaker 6: You said Baker for sure?

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Speaker 3: Right? You have Baker right now over Cjay.

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Speaker 6: Now listen, I don't overreact.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Shrevor Lawrence or c J.

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Speaker 8: Stroud, CJ. Stroud, No way, uh uh. I will not

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Speaker 8: stand for that. I cannot wait till they play head

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Speaker 8: to head. I'm just telling you, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 8: is he's not living up to expectations, but he's not awful.

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Speaker 11: C J.

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Speaker 8: Stroud has shown a lot of awful on tape this year.

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Speaker 8: Kle look at last year. He's running into sacks and

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Speaker 8: I know the offensive line's not great.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: C J.

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Speaker 8: Stroud, let me down. Last night, Big Time. Let's move

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Speaker 8: on to the next story. Listen, this stinks. Jayden Daniel's

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Speaker 8: got an MRI after suffering a knee injury against the

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Speaker 8: Green Bay Packers, and his status for the Sunday game

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Speaker 8: against the Raiders is in jeopardy. Here's Dan Quinn on

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Speaker 8: his franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 11: The strength part of things the movements, and that's step one.

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Speaker 11: John then on the field to change direction, the pivoting,

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Speaker 11: the moving, all of those would be the things to go.

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Speaker 11: So we'll just take it, you know, as it goes,

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Speaker 11: you know, through the week. But he'd have to see

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Speaker 11: all of the steps you know, along this week to

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Speaker 11: to hit those marks. The speed, the stopping, the change

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Speaker 11: of direction, all of it.

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Speaker 3: This is what we did worry about out of college.

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Speaker 1: No, I've said, I think he's going to look a

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Speaker 1: lot like Lamar Jackson, not quite as fast, but a

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Speaker 1: better pockets roller. But my concern was I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy because he is Spinday, he

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Speaker 1: is light. So he got banged up for about two

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Speaker 1: weeks last year but played.

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Speaker 3: And he's banged up again.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's not like a JJ McCarthy where

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Speaker 1: he can't stay healthy at all. But this I think

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Speaker 1: this was the concern, which is why Deebo Samuel is

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Speaker 1: a great get. But make sure the offensive line gets

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Speaker 1: built for the next several years. Because this is not

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Speaker 1: a guy who said this. When you have Tua who's

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Speaker 1: got a smaller frame, you got to have a good

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Speaker 1: old line. The Dolphins haven't. So like there's certain quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in this league Josh Allen Herbert, they can take hits.

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Speaker 3: Jaden's not one of those guys. He needs protection.

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Speaker 8: So if you're playing a long game in your Washington

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Speaker 8: I think you got to sit him out against the Raiders.

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Speaker 8: It's a non division on conference matchup. If you lose,

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Speaker 8: it's not the end of the world. It doesn't impact

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Speaker 8: you next week. However, you're in Atlanta, that's a team

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Speaker 8: that you could be battling for a wildcard Birds. I

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Speaker 8: think you need him after that Chargers, that's gonna be

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Speaker 8: a very tough game. I personally would sit him, and

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Speaker 8: I think the line is telling you that they probably will.

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Speaker 6: It's down to Washington minus three.

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Speaker 8: This was headed towards six because obviously they're on extended

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Speaker 8: rest having played last Thursday. Raiders just played last night

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Speaker 8: and have to travel across the country. I think Mariota

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Speaker 8: can get this job done.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, yeah, I mean I think when you lay

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Speaker 1: it out that way, it's early. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be fine. They've already got to win over the Giants,

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Speaker 1: so and again, the Raiders are on a short week

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Speaker 1: that you can you can win with a backup, you

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Speaker 1: could win with Mariota. So I'm that's probably the play.

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Speaker 1: I think Washington's gonna be fine. I think this is

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Speaker 1: just slowing down the Terry McLaurin Jaden Daniel's relationship, which

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Speaker 1: already felt like it was behind. So I think you

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Speaker 1: worry about that, But I don't worry about the coach,

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Speaker 1: the staff, the quarterback, the playmakers.

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Speaker 3: I don't worry about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So final note, Colin, So we have now five starting

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Speaker 8: quarterbacks who have been injured.

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Speaker 6: It's been two weeks. Okay, you and I bimoan.

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Speaker 8: When the NBA playoffs stars get hurt, Colin, this is

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Speaker 8: bad news for the league. Joe Burrow's the star. He's

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Speaker 8: out three months. Jaden Daniels is a budding star justin fields.

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Speaker 6: You know whatever. Jets are unwatchable anyway.

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Speaker 8: McCarthy that's not great, and Brock Perdy that's terrible. These

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Speaker 8: are one two. So this is basically but the playoff teams.

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Speaker 1: Purdy is hurt again, McCarthy's hurt again, Burrow's hurt again.

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Speaker 1: Fields is hurt again. So four of those guys get

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Speaker 1: hurt regularly. No, that's not nothing against the league. The

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Speaker 1: four of those guys are always banged.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm just saying it's bad for the league because now,

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Speaker 8: I mean, you're are you watching Marcus Mariota versus Gito Smith?

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Speaker 8: I mean, come on, that's not really watchable. Jade Dangiels

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Speaker 8: is playing.

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Speaker 1: The games of the week are going to be Rams, Eagles, Rare's, Cowboys, Niners, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I think the games that I want to watch are

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Speaker 1: not affected by those quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, I like Jayden Daniels, I mean

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Speaker 8: I like watching him.

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Speaker 4: I like Joe.

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Speaker 8: He's always in fun games. It's just I don't know

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Speaker 8: how you fix this. Quarterbacks are gonna get hurt.

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Speaker 3: What do you want.

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Speaker 1: Sixty play a year. That's the reason why. That's why

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Speaker 1: a team like Chicago pays the backup. When Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: got the Denver he paid Jared Stidham like twelve million.

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Speaker 1: Everybody went why, and it's like, well, that's what you

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Speaker 1: have to do. It's a legitimate position.

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Speaker 8: The final story is Arch manning Colin. Listen, we're not

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Speaker 8: gonna beat up on the kid. He was not great

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Speaker 8: against UTEP. I think you were recruited by like the

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Speaker 8: likes of UTEP back in the day. Listen, Arch knows

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Speaker 8: he can be better. Here he is talking about it.

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Speaker 12: I got I gotta play better. It's not good enough,

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Speaker 12: as y'all can see. I gotta play better for us too.

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Speaker 12: Maybe it slides against UTAB, but it's not gonna when

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Speaker 12: it's game's get sec. I gotta play better, going back

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Speaker 12: to basics, finishing throws, get my hips through, and just

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Speaker 12: focusing on it throughout the week of practice and learning it.

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Speaker 12: Ripping game.

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Speaker 3: Are you mad at your house?

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Speaker 12: A little bit?

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Speaker 3: I'm just frustrated.

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Speaker 12: I know him better than this.

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Speaker 1: Now they're missing receivers and running backs. So right now

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Speaker 1: the defense is great, they are missing, you know, receivers

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Speaker 1: and backs. And it was a young offense anyway, with

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Speaker 1: four new starters in the offensive line, so the offense

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Speaker 1: was going to be a work in progress. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's more arm angles and confidence. It just doesn't look right,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a big part of quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: It either looks right that Julian saying for Ohio State

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Speaker 1: when they play it, it just looks right. He looked composed,

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Speaker 1: his feet were good, he didn't miss the layup. So

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Speaker 1: right now, a lot of it is aesthetics. It just

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Speaker 1: looks like he's struggling.

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Speaker 8: I mean, look at that throw against Utip. Anyways, he

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Speaker 8: was eleven for twenty five for one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 8: five yards Colin. For this season, Archie Manning is completing

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Speaker 8: fifty five percent of his pass Two of those opponents

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Speaker 8: have been absolute jokers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a thing. No, it has been.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he's not a thing. It's over. We're not

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Speaker 8: talking about arts anymore. It's official producers.

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Speaker 4: No more arts.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, it's done. They're not He's not good.

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Speaker 8: There's other quarterbacks we could talk about.

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Speaker 1: There's no question lame in anybody cave club. Nick has struggled.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Jade Mayov at USC Oh, come, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you leaves the country right now. Ooh okay, what listen.

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Speaker 8: I just looked up the line for you seventeen and

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Speaker 8: a half against Sparty. I mean, it's does Sparty even

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Speaker 8: feel a team at this point? What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: I would watch USC's quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I may have to go to a game. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 6: get the executives to take.

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Speaker 3: Me to one the chef. I'm not joking when I

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Speaker 3: say this.

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Speaker 1: If you don't think Lincoln Riley can coach, go look

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Speaker 1: at that quarterback last year and this year.

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Speaker 3: He is a draftable quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Now he is an NFL draftable quarterback where I don't

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Speaker 1: know he's totally draftable yet.

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Speaker 9: Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 9: for stopping back The Herd Line News Julian Edelman, Danny

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Speaker 9: Parkins the misery of a Bears fan that'll show up

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Speaker 9: in the last hour of The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 8: Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday, Utah and

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Speaker 8: Texas Tech battling for the top of the Big twelve.

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Speaker 6: It all kicks off.

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Speaker 8: At ten Eastern with Big Noon kickoffs live from Salt

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Speaker 8: Lake City. Then it's Texas Tech Utah only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas techa program with a billionaire who's still all

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Speaker 1: that money.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, low key, this is a huge game. I

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Speaker 8: like Texas Tech to go to the playoff Colin Obviously,

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Speaker 8: Utah is great at home. Is a big time game.

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Speaker 8: It's kind of under the radar, but I think there's

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Speaker 8: a fantastic matchup.

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Speaker 3: Utah's the most underrated college football program.

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Speaker 6: For every few years. Yeah, but Texas Tech they've got.

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Speaker 1: Been in two in their last eighteen bowl games or

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Speaker 1: something like. Utah is so well coached they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'll take Utah and big games at home.

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Speaker 1: I'll take you Toah. By the way, here's the herd hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: I kept Kansas City out of it. It is not standings,

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Speaker 1: but it's closer to standings than it is projecting who's

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Speaker 1: going to be in the Super Bowl. But I have Packers, Eagles, Rams,

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Speaker 1: Bill's Ravens, Chargers, Bucks, Niners. I still believe in the Commanders.

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Speaker 1: With Jayden Daniels, I think they just I think extra rest.

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Speaker 1: If Jaden Daniels played with extra you know, they played

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night, I think they'll start smoking here pretty quick.

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Speaker 3: I think the.

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Speaker 1: Colts are right now. I think you have to be

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Speaker 1: honest about it. Tyler warrens a star at tight end.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of weapons that you know. I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Chris Ballad in the offseason. They had

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Speaker 1: joint practices with the Ravens and the Packers, and all

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say is he left those joint practices

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Speaker 1: thinking we got some players. I think the Colts roster.

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Speaker 1: I having on this for two years, I think the

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Speaker 1: Colts roster is good. If Daniel Jones is going to

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Speaker 1: be to a B plus that that team's going to

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Speaker 1: win the divisions. They have the best roster in that division.

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Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones is this, they are winning that division.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: I know they'll never let us do it. But if

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Speaker 8: you really think they have the best roster in the division,

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Speaker 8: you can set ten best players versus Jaggs, and the

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Speaker 8: Jags got them and the tensions probably did.

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Speaker 1: You watch Denver's defensive line, the best pass rush in

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Speaker 1: the league the last two years could not get to

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 6: I think they got him three times. But anyways, different less.

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Speaker 8: Let me just quickly point out everything is coming up

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Speaker 8: Indianapolis since Indiana Fever got Caitlin Clark, they got you

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Speaker 8: got the Pacers making all these runs. You got Kaitlin Clark,

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Speaker 8: and now the Colts are too and zero all of

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Speaker 8: a sudden the Midwest. You moved to the Midwest, like

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Speaker 8: there's some kind of gravitational.

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Speaker 6: Pull that Indiana is like becoming.

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Speaker 1: Most the organizations have drafted well, the Pacers, the Colts

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Speaker 1: and the Fever, But in the end we spend so

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Speaker 1: much time, I mean, worrying about quarterbacks. But when you're

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Speaker 1: surrounded with Pittman and Taylor and Warren and you have

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Speaker 1: an excellent offensive line, Daniel Jones with Shane Steichen. Remember

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell liked it. We've always said this about quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: What coaches like you? Shanahan like Donald, Kevin O'Connell like Donald.

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Speaker 1: They liked Donald. So the bottom line here is Shane

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Speaker 1: Steiken liked Daniel Jones, Kevin O'Connell liked him. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's great. I think he's kind of a poor

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Speaker 1: man Alex Smith. But here's Nick right on the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: not being in.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 5: Don't deserve if it's based purely on this season, lean

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Speaker 5: out of the top ten. If this were a team's

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Speaker 5: most likely to win the super Bowl ranking, they would

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Speaker 5: be firmly in the top ten. But it's where they

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Speaker 5: are right now, so I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: I've always said the top four teams and hurt hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: Those are teams capable of.

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Speaker 3: Winning the super Bowl. Five on No.