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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Long time listeners, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 1: this is our weekly Strange News segment. We are recording

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Speaker 1: this on Wednesday, October eleventh. By the time you hear this,

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Speaker 1: some of the situations we're looking at will have undoubtedly escalated.

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Speaker 1: As you may have heard, doubtlessly if you are on

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Speaker 1: social media. The largest largest attack in recent history in

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Speaker 1: the well in the modern history of Israel occurred quite recently,

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Speaker 1: and Matt Nol, many of our fellow listeners and I

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Speaker 1: have been keeping a close eye on this. We want

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Speaker 1: to be as always objective and transparent in our explorations

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Speaker 1: here as we record right now, the conflict continues and

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Speaker 1: all signs show that it will escalate. This is something

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Speaker 1: that you have heard a lot about you may have

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Speaker 1: personal experience with it. We're going to talk about several

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Speaker 1: specific angles of this, and before we conntinue with that,

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Speaker 1: we also want you to know we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about other strange news that is happening. Armenia is still

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Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble. The war in Ukraine continues unabated,

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Speaker 1: and I guess without talking too much about ourselves, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be very clear, we are not of air lineage.

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Speaker 1: We do have some Jewish heritage, two of the three

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Speaker 1: of us. We also we also exercise empathy. As we

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Speaker 1: have said frequently in the past, when empires make war,

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Speaker 1: it is the grass that suffers right, and so as

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Speaker 1: we record, there are millions of innocent people who will

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Speaker 1: about this situation. We're going to explore some questions about

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Speaker 1: the weaponization of social media online misinfo or disinfo. Check

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Speaker 1: out our earlier episode to learn the difference between those.

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Speaker 1: We're going to learn about the rise of weight loss

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Speaker 1: drugs around the world, and we are also maybe we

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Speaker 1: start here, we're also going to talk about the proposed

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Speaker 1: evacuation of Gaza and Noel matt All of US Doc

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Speaker 1: Holliday as well. We have been reading about this recently.

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Speaker 1: Would it be helpful for us to give like a

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Speaker 1: timeline of what happened between now and our last strange news.

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Speaker 3: I think it would. This is definitely a historical conflict

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Speaker 3: and I think what's been happening over the last week is,

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Speaker 3: So I think even a little bit of a recap

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Speaker 1: So here's the high level timeline. You can read about

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Speaker 1: this in any mediu sword on the planet now. This month, Hamas,

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Speaker 1: which is the ruling party, also acknowledged as a terrorist

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Speaker 1: launched the biggest attack on Israel in years from the

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Speaker 1: Right now, One of the most harrowing things to recognize

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Speaker 1: We are not experts, we're not math surgeons or whatever.

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Speaker 3: two accounts that you know, the one that I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: the War Monitor, and an additional one. There are all

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Speaker 3: kinds of little Oh that's what it's called Scent Defender. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's it, at war Monitors. And he added at Scent

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Speaker 3: Defender and at War Monitor. And he has one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty million followers. You know, this is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: He has a lot of fanboys. You know, he has

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Speaker 3: a lot of acolytes, I guess, you know, these kind

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Speaker 3: of elon stands that that will repeat whatever he puts

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Speaker 3: out there, you know, whether he likes it or not,

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Speaker 3: you know, and whether the rest of the world likes

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Speaker 3: it or not. You know, he is the kind of

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Speaker 3: king of the influencers. You know, one could argue.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the European Union recently gave him a

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Speaker 1: warning you're gonna yeah, ax him for six percent of

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Speaker 1: the social platform's income.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that detail, but that's fascinating, not to

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00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: mention the lawsuit with the Anti Defamation League, you know,

448
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: and all and he he he likes to come out

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Speaker 3: and make these grand statements about how you can't trust

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Speaker 3: the media, trust X trust me. But then he regularly

451
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Speaker 3: and you know, absolutely verifiably elevates absolutely, you know, toxic information. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, just to clarify, yeah, you six percent thing for

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Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't heard, I'm specifically referring to the European

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Speaker 1: Union warning that if X continues to spread disinformation about

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Speaker 1: Hamas attacks on Israel and what they describe as fake news,

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Speaker 1: he will be fined six percent of X's income or

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Speaker 1: X will be shut down entirely in the European Union. Notice,

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Speaker 1: they're not saying six percent of X's profits because the

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Speaker 1: platform is not profitable.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's less profitable than it's ever been, and there's

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Speaker 3: lots of questions as to what it's true active user

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Speaker 3: count really looks like. You know, that scent Defender account

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Speaker 3: that I mentioned again, This Washington Post article quotes a

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Speaker 3: researcher at the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab named

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Speaker 3: Emerson T. Booking, who categorizes, you know, characterizes rather that

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Speaker 3: account sent Defender as absolutely poisonous, regularly posting wrong and

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Speaker 3: unverifiable things, inserting random daitorialization, and trying to juice its

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Speaker 3: paid subscriber count. There were posts that were elevated that

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Israel was injured and then the

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Speaker 3: hospital You know, all kinds of things like that, just

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00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: little little details like that that when people run with

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Speaker 3: it and repost it, it just absolutely intensifies that fog

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Speaker 3: of war that you're talking about. I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: mention this in you know, parallel with the Arab spring stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I know that, you know, Twitter has never been perfect.

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Speaker 3: The Internet's its own, it's a toxic place in a

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Speaker 3: lot of ways, but that was a moment where it's like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 3: this stuff can actually have some you know, some positive impact.

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Speaker 3: And it just feels like it's fallen so far and

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Speaker 3: now it's literally just kind of like a breeding ground

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Speaker 3: for the worst kind of people.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely awful, guys. I just I would like to

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Speaker 2: just point out that I feel I'd like to state

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Speaker 2: this out loud. I feel tremendously confused about exactly what happened,

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Speaker 2: because I feel as though every outlet I'm reading, every video,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching, every news piece, so not the social media side,

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Speaker 2: not the Twitter side or acts or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: but every news piece to me feels like I am

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Speaker 2: being emotionally manipulated one way or the other. Whether that

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Speaker 2: yet no, I'm and I feel as though it's constant

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Speaker 2: when it comes to this topic. So I'm automatically putting

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Speaker 2: up defense mechanisms to try and be skeptical of these things,

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Speaker 2: no matter what it's about, no matter you know, if

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Speaker 2: it's something horrible that ammostive, is something horrible that is real,

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Speaker 2: there's something horrible, I'm just I feel overwhelmed by it,

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Speaker 2: and it's a horrible feeling of I think confusion. And

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Speaker 2: as I'm going through you know, some of the articles

498
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Speaker 2: that you guys have found for these first two topics,

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Speaker 2: I just I feel as though I'm lost and they

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Speaker 2: stayed in there that when there are people in Gaza

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: who are attempting to flee from the bombs and the explosions,

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00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: they are feeling confused about what exactly is happening because

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Speaker 2: they are attempting to get information the same way we are,

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00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: right from from various sources. So it is it's just

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00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: like enough, I don't know, but I don't know what,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the what the response is, do

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Speaker 2: you guze. We used to look to Twitter, to the

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Speaker 2: social media feeds to be like, oh, that's actually what's

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Speaker 2: going on. Because we've got some sources that we trust

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Speaker 2: that are on the ground that are actually filming things

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Speaker 2: that are actually reporting.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's been infiltrated, it's it's been co opted and

513
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: and and it's been it's so cluttered now that it's

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00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: just another trash pile, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 3: it's just it's worse even because a lot of the

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00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: most toxic and gnarly voices on the internet have you know,

517
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Speaker 3: and the in the world have figured out how to

518
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: kind of game it to their own nefarious ends. Saw

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00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 3: it with you know, all kinds of misinformation being spread

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00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: during elections and the use of it. It's because you know,

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Speaker 3: you use the word the phrase weaponized, Ben, That's absolutely

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00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: what it is. And it's hard to know how to

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Speaker 3: walk that back. I think there are you know, other

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Speaker 3: social media platforms like blue Sky that are trying to

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Speaker 3: be more you know, invite only and stuff. But the

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Speaker 3: whole point of Twitter is that it's already there. The

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Speaker 3: scale is there. You know, it's been the platform of

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Speaker 3: choice for this kind of communication, and now it's just

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00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: been absolutely taken over. You know, and maybe those people

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00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: were always there, they just relate to your point, Ben,

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Speaker 3: They've just been given more of a voice and they're

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Speaker 3: rising to the top because it isn't a democratization of information,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of it's paid, which is hell

534
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: almost like the equivalent of like paying a bribe to

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Speaker 3: get your platform raised, you know, I mean, it's not

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Speaker 3: based on merit, it's not based on validity of information.

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Speaker 3: It's just based on money. And then this is all

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00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: too you know, it's so transparent because it's all Musk's

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: kind of desperate, ham fisted attempt to make the platform

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Speaker 3: profitable no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Did you know he likes Warrior though it looks like

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Speaker 1: the guy who figured out he's the guy who figured

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Speaker 1: out Lauren Michaels does have a price to make you

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Speaker 1: a host on Saturday Night Live whatever, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's an important point you're bringing up.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I don't nowhere else to go from here. I

548
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: think it's just very clear that something's amiss in terms

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00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: of you know, to your point, Matt, I mean, I

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00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: feel the same way, and it made me even question

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00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: which parts of the narrative that I think I know

552
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: do I even know? Yeah, it makes your head spin.

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Speaker 2: I'm only speaking personally, but it's a terrible situation when

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00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: you're you're attempting to get the best information that you

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: can find, and you're looking at various sources. You're watching

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Speaker 2: CNN and a live feed right of Anderson Cooper interviewing somebody,

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00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: a witness who went through something horrifying. But internally you're questioning, Wow,

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00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: it feels weird to me? Why this interview feels weird?

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: Because it's they're trying to make me feel things. They're

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00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: trying to make me have an emotional reaction as I'm

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00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: watching this. And again maybe that's me being hyper vigilant

562
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: and maybe a bit out of my mind in my

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00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: own right, but it when you feel that now, after

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Speaker 2: you know, having all the conversations that we've had over

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Speaker 2: the years, it feels like manipulation, and it's kind of

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Speaker 2: it's scary to me.

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Speaker 3: It is indeed, it is indeed. So let's leave it

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Speaker 3: at that, and hopefully we can come back with something

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Speaker 3: a little less dreadful for this last segment and this

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Speaker 3: week's strange news. So we're right back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the show. Have you ever wished

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Speaker 2: you could somehow suppress your insatiable appetite for revelation? Style

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00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: apocalypse kickoff current events. Well, hey, we feel that too,

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about No, let's talk about prescription weight

575
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: loss injectable adjuncts, which is it's one of our words

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00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: of the day. It's a vocabulary word, adjunct. It's just

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00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: something that's additional, some measure that is an addition that's

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00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: meant to supplement or enhance something that already is there.

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Speaker 1: It's like adjunct professor.

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00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: Hey, there we go. See I just don't use it

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00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: enough so it becomes vocabulary word for me. We're gonna

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00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: be reading from Reuters in a This is kind of

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00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: where the story begins, and then it goes down a

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole from here. Weight loss drugs fuel boom for

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Speaker 2: firms that fill syringes. That sounds a little bit weird.

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Speaker 2: There's some kind of boom for companies that specifically fill

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Speaker 2: syringes with drugs, and uh, they're being helped out by

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00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: new weight loss drugs. This was written by Maggie fick

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Speaker 2: fic K on October ninth. I'm gonna read just one

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00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: sentence here from that article and then we'll get to

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Speaker 2: trucking contract drug manufacturers seeking to tap into the booming

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Speaker 2: market for weight loss. Drugs are investing billions with a

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Speaker 2: b of dollars to expand or build factories that fill

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Speaker 2: the injection pens used to administer treatments like Novo Nordisks,

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Speaker 2: Wegovy and they are specifically phil finish specializations that we're

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Speaker 2: talking about here, which is another term we have to

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Speaker 2: talk about. Phil finish is the act of taking bulk

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Speaker 2: drugs and placing them in some kind of specialized container

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Speaker 2: that has been treated correctly. Right, everything in there is

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Speaker 2: sterile as it can possibly be, and then that stuff

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Speaker 2: is all sent off to pharmacies across the land for

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Speaker 2: us to inject ourselves and eat or whatever you do

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Speaker 2: with the specific drugs they're making.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of those that come with the ones

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Speaker 3: you're describing, their like specialized kind of like syringes that

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Speaker 3: are branded and they're like these whole little n kind

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Speaker 3: of deals. Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, there there are proprietary for each manufacturer, So

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00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: Novo Nordisk has their own type of auto pen or

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Speaker 2: whatever they want to term it. Then Eli Lilly, who

611
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: was also coming out with a new drug very soon, guys,

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Speaker 2: they put out this press release for I think it's

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Speaker 2: Mount Jarro. That's the name of their new diabetes two

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Speaker 2: slash weight loss treatment injectable that's been out for a while. Okay, well, Munjaro.

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Speaker 2: This is like the way you say it too. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like it sounds like coffee. I think that's how

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Speaker 2: you say it's m o U. N your site it

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Speaker 2: says mound like as in mountain mount jarro.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But okay, this is their press release quote. Mountjaro will

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Speaker 2: be available in six doses and will come in Lily's

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00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: well established autoinjector pen with a pre attached hidden needle

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Speaker 2: that patients do not need to handle or see.

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Speaker 1: Oh, assassin's creed stuff exactly, also literally dope, but not

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Speaker 1: quick question with this. So this is sort of a

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Speaker 1: rarefied industry, right Is this similar to is this a

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00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: situation where there are only a certain number of manufacturers

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Speaker 1: creating these some proprietary version of these fil finished syringes.

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Speaker 2: Well, gosh, guys, this one gets so complicated so quickly.

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Speaker 2: If you look at let's take two of the drugs

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Speaker 2: that are available right now on the market with govy

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00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: and ozepic, both made by Novo Nordisk. So they manufacture

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Speaker 2: the stuff which is really the stuff called semiglutide and

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00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: it's just inside these pens with some other stuff. Both

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00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: of those products are manufactured by Novo, but they have

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00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: also brought in other people, other manufacturers to also manufacture

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00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: those drugs. And then once they're manufactured, they can either

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00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: be packaged, you know, at whatever the plant is that

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00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Novo Nordisk has in various parts of the world, or

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00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: they can basically get a contractor a whole separate facility

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00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: through a third party company to do that same process.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of these big manufacturers have been going

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Speaker 2: out to a bunch of other contractors. So this story

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Speaker 2: is really about all of the facilities that are either

645
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Speaker 2: being built or upgraded to handle the amount of these

646
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: weight loss drugs that are kind of, let's say, masquerading

647
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: as type two diabetes drugs, because that's really what they're for,

648
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: and there are a ton of human beings on the

649
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: planet that could really use these products for type two diabetes.

650
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Speaker 1: Off label use is what's making them blow up exactly.

651
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too, because the off label use oftentimes

652
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: won't get it covered by your insurance. Yes, you have

653
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: to pay a full price for it. Oh guys, she

654
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: was almost leg by design. Maybe like as they're just

655
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: probably cleaning up. I can only imagine.

656
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: For real they're clean up. Let's talk about price, but

657
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: really quickly jumped to a Reuter's article from August of

658
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: this year stating that Nova Nordisk hired Thermo Fisher, another

659
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: one of these big I guess drug companies, chem companies,

660
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, as a second full

661
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: time manufacturer for Wagovy because they needed more Wagovy. So

662
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: you can look online at the current price of a

663
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: prescription or non prescription let's say, access to wogovy right now.

664
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Speaker 2: So according to this the list price that's as of

665
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: this year for Wagovy is one three and forty nine

666
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: dollars per package, which breaks down to two hundred and

667
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: sixty nine dollars and eighty cents per week, or sixteen

668
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: and eighty eight dollars and twenty four cents per year

669
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Speaker 2: if you were just using it without insurance.

670
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Speaker 1: So that's pretty hefty, right, that's a pretty hefty cost

671
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Speaker 1: for most people. And I assume these prices largely apply

672
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Speaker 1: to like the United States, Canada, the anglosphere.

673
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: Is that correct, Yes, And that's if you are using

674
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: it without insurance. Probably not always, but most likely for

675
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: its weight loss properties rather than its type two diabetes uses,

676
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: even though it kind of does the same thing in both, Kate,

677
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: it does. The drug has the same effect in both cases.

678
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: One is to modify blood sugar or you know, to

679
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: keep blood sugar stable. The other way is to suppress appetite.

680
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Like viagra as multiple uses, and they make money off one.

681
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: The exact same thing. Man, I don't know, but yes,

682
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: it makes sense.

683
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 3: I may. I think I mentioned this in the past,

684
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: but I'm actually taking one of these. I have found

685
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: it to be quite effective. But I was prescribed it

686
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: by my doctor, the Munjaro one, and my insurance rejected

687
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: it because I don't have type two diabetes, so it

688
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: was like to actually pay for it out of pocket.

689
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: It's like thirteen hundred dollars or fifteen hundred dollars or

690
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: something like that for a month's supply, which is just

691
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: kind of you know, to try. I'm not that overweight.

692
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: I just wanted to try it because it's like it

693
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: seemed like it could be effective for helping reduce appetite

694
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: and pairing it with you know, exercise and all that

695
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: stuff that I'm doing. I thought it'd be worth a go,

696
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: but it was just no way. So I met somebody

697
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: or through a friend, I was referred to this dietician

698
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: who they use these compounding labs that make their own

699
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: version of it. But then I realized that was sort

700
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: of sketchy because I looked it up and I was like,

701
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: wait a minute, this is like locked down intellectual property.

702
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: What the hell is in these compounded versions of these pharmaceuticals?

703
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, So I actually discontinued use because it

704
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: was freaking me out. But the point is the demand

705
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: is so high that there are people that will roll

706
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: the dice on these other potentially I'm not saying they're

707
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: all on the ferry. It's it just was too much

708
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: for me. But in terms of like what is this,

709
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: I don't understand how this can be. It is too

710
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: good to be true.

711
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: Well, everybody wants in the game. Pfizer is right now

712
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: working on drugs that will have the same effect, but

713
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: rather than being an injectable through a needle like this

714
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: or syringe, they want to have something you could take

715
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: orally orally, yeah.

716
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: They would have those freaked out by needles.

717
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: Well, and again I guarantee you all the other major

718
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: drug manufacturers are trying to find that kind of thing too.

719
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: That's why the Mount Jarrow was such a big deal,

720
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: because it's a slightly different thing. It's not semiglutide. It's

721
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: their own little, you know, gluatide that they can patent.

722
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: But all those the reason why it works, guys, and

723
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: why it's actually kind of scary goes on to our

724
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: next part of this. And we can't go all the

725
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: way down the rabbit hole here, but let's just talk

726
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: about this quickly. These drugs, using semiglutide or whatever other

727
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: proprietary outide, they they mimic all of our bodies appetite

728
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: suppressing hormones, the stuff that makes us say, oh, I'm

729
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: not hungry right now? Right that just that happens in

730
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: our body. After we've eaten for a while, your body goes,

731
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: you don't need any more food, We're good for.

732
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: A bit trigger saciation.

733
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: Yes.

734
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 2: And and they're known as g LP one agonists, which

735
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 2: is glucagon like peptide one receptor agonist. You can look

736
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: that up if you wish. It just means they're binding

737
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: to the right receptors to make your body say, hey,

738
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm good, don't need any more food. And they, oh

739
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: my god. This is from that same article. Analysts estimate

740
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: that this section, these GLP one agonists, the section of

741
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: drugs could be worth as much as one hundred billion

742
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: dollars within a decade, including the oral treatments that are

743
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: being developed to as we talked about by Pfizer and

744
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: other drug companies. But you guys. On October fifth, CNBC

745
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: put out this article weight loss drugs may be linked

746
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: to stomach paralysis other rare but severe issues, study says,

747
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: And the whole point of this is it's a study

748
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: coming out of let's see research journal JAMMA, and it's

749
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: a study showing that the effect, the appetite suppression effect

750
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: having those receptors activated by these drugs, if you do

751
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: it too long and too much of it, rarely a

752
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: person's stomach can stop digesting food because by suppressing appetite,

753
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: you're actually slowing down digestion a little bit. So if

754
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: you've got food in your body all ready, it's moving slowly,

755
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: more and more slowly through your digestive system than if

756
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: you were not taking this drug. And if if you

757
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: get too much of it basically your stomach, you could

758
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: get stomach paralysis to where your body is not processing

759
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: food at all, and you are not getting the nutrients

760
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: that you need. And it can also potentially, because of

761
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: those problems, give you a blockage basically to where food

762
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: that is not digested properly tries to move through your system,

763
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: but it unfortunately cannot.

764
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: Also jam a journal of the American Medical Association, Yes,

765
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: thank you, famous bunch of crackpots. They work with a

766
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: bit poop. Obviously, gemas GEMMA is legit, and they do

767
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: publish like when they publish the research, it is peer reviewed.

768
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: And I think, Matt, you're making an incredibly important point

769
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: about this nature of side effects. You know, living in

770
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: one of the few countries in the world where it's

771
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: legal to have vague pharmacyceutical ads on mass media, I

772
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: think a lot of humans in the US forget that

773
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: just because a side effect appears to have a low

774
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: percentage does not mean it probably won't happen to you.

775
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: You might win that lottery, you know.

776
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 3: What I mean?

777
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. And again, even though this is a serious

778
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: study out of a serious journal, it is stating in

779
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: that study this is very rare, but there's a possibility

780
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: that users of these drugs that do not have type

781
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: two diabetes, are of there at a higher risk of

782
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: developing something like one of these rare things?

783
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: I have another question before you met, So, these folks

784
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: who run this specific industry for these type of syringes

785
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: that are needed, they have, as you said, they have

786
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: reached out to contract right to manufacture their's stuff under

787
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: license to fulfill demand. Does it remind you a little

788
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: bit of when the pop music singer Adele absolutely broke

789
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: the vinyl manufacturing industry, because right, right, so, I'm asking

790
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: here like, instead of you know, a bunch of non

791
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: Adele musicians being unable to publish their stuff on vinyl,

792
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: is there a risk that putting all of the manufacturing

793
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: capabilities towards this you know, genre or class of drugs?

794
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: Does that mean that there are other people who need

795
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: those syringes to to medicate themselves with other conditions non

796
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: related to diabetes or weight loss? Are they going to

797
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: have a more difficult time obtaining medicine?

798
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't personally see that as an issue because the

799
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: manufacturing the syringes themselves is well, I don't know unless

800
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: it's in the Reuter's article and I just missed it,

801
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: But I don't think so. I think right now, the

802
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: shortages are of the drugs themselves and not of the

803
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: what would you call that, the parts needed to.

804
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: Delivery mechanism apparatus. The cops would call it paraphernalia.

805
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: Ah, the paraphernalia for the drugs, the applicators, the adjuncts

806
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: to the drugs themselves. There is right, yeah, but I

807
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: don't know. I would just highly recommend everybody who is

808
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: thinking about maybe trying one of these do some of

809
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: the research because it doesn't show, at least everything I've

810
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: seen doesn't show that it's a scary thing or something

811
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: you should be worried about. It is definitely something that

812
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: the drug manufacturers are super stoked that you and everybody

813
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: else are so into it, right.

814
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: Right right, And the Nation of India has entered the

815
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: chat when it comes up proprietary or drug price and

816
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: R and d oh yeah yeah, how far out are

817
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: we from a generic version of both the paraphernalia of

818
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: the substances?

819
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I don't know.

820
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: Oh got close? And Noel, I think you were right

821
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: by the way, bro to a matrix dodge that one.

822
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, like I said, I've definitely have

823
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: some friends that have continued using it and have had

824
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 3: great results. But you know, when I told my doctor

825
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: that I was, you know, going with this compounded thing,

826
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: he immediately was like red flag City, and I was like,

827
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: you know, this is intellectual property that is controlled by

828
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: these giant pharmaceutical companies. So it doesn't really stand to

829
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: reason that these off brand whatever they are labs have

830
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: even the stuff that that is the active ingredient that

831
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: they could compound with. It's very weird.

832
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, before we leave, guys that there might be

833
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: a full episode here because traveled a little bit down

834
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: the history of weight law drugs that have been painted

835
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 2: and sold across the world. Legal meth, you got, Well,

836
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: there's other stuff that's similar. It's almost like it's almost

837
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: like gen one of these newer versions. Stuff like sexenda

838
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: s A x E N d A that's a pre

839
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, injectable pen same same kind of thing, had

840
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: some major issues or but even worse stuff like Belvick.

841
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: B E l v i Q oh deep cut Bro.

842
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: They got pulled for cancer risks and other things like that.

843
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: So you know, just what are we as humans willing

844
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: to risk if there is an easy or a potentially

845
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: easy solution to lose weight or get healthier.

846
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a good question, man, I don't know.

847
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: It feels like something that big drug manufacturers are more

848
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: than willing to capitalize on.

849
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's make that an episode. That's why we

850
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: do these this weekly strange news segment. That's why you

851
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: do this weekly listener mail segment. Want to end on

852
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: a tiny bit of good news. It's a very weird

853
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: time to say this while atrocities are occurring, but we

854
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: wanted to give this a mention because a lot of

855
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: us tuning into the show over the years have heard

856
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: us talk about things like brominated vegetable oil, potassium bromate,

857
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: propyl parabin and red dye three. They're found in all

858
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: your favorite processed foods at the grocery store, unless, that is,

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Speaker 1: you live in California. Because good news, you guys, California

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Speaker 1: just outlawed the use of these food and drink additives,

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Speaker 1: probably because you know, obviously they tune into our show.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, does that mean I can no longer

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Speaker 2: buy my mountain dew in the great state of California.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to drive over to Nevada.

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Speaker 3: You know, see case in point there, Matt, how much

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Speaker 3: would you risk in order for that eat sweet mountain dew?

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Speaker 1: He'll risk Buzz's on it. He's going code read on it.

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