1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 3: It's the John Cobelt Show. Lou Penrose in for John 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: Cobelt this week. Good to have you along with us. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 3: A departure will an attempt to dismiss the director of 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 3: the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC Director Susan 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: Manarez was fired by the Trump administration. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: And she's refusing to go, she says. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: According to her lawyers, she refuses to rubber stamp unscientific, 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: reckless directives from her superior. The White House has responded 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: that she was not aligned with the president's agenda and 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: she's the head of the CDC. Joe Khalil is with 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: News Nation. He's there, DC correspondent. Is she still there? 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot refuse to go, So, Joe, what's 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: she going to do? Just lock herself in her office? 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 4: Yeah? Hey, Lou, No, I mean she has gone. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: Now. 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: The situation was that she was fired and it was 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 4: apparently announced by Health and Human Services. Her attorneys said 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 4: she can only be fired by the president because she 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: was a presidential appointing nominee, and then she had to 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: be sentate confirmed and so that was sort of the 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 4: discrepancy her legal team made. But since that that pushback 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: from her legal team, the president has announced it. The 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: White House came down with that announcement, so she is 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: she is officially gone, and she's already actually been replaced 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: by an acting director. Now, all right, so. 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: There's somebody running the CDC. That's good to know. 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: This notion though, that she is she refused to rubber 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: stamp what she thought were reckless directives. 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has a boss, and you you have to. 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, there's. 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: Certainly you can share your thoughts and opinions, but at 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: the end of the day, your job is to do 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: what the boss wants you to do. And her boss 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: is the director of the the cabinet member for Health 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: and Human Services who works for the President. So this 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: is not an ordinary that you would have to do 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: what the agenda is of the White House. 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what happens is sometimes you butt heads 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 4: with the person who runs the agency, and if you 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 4: have serious, you know, moral objections, then usually we see 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 4: one of two things. You see somebody resign uh in 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: protest in their own principle, and sometimes they you know, 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: they're forced out, and so that sort of is what happened. 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 4: They came to a head today. She has what she 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: she says are serious objections to Secretary Kennedy r F 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: K Junior's vaccine policies. And what her attorneys have said 49 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: we haven't heard from her directly, but we've heard from 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: her through her attorneys, is she felt like there were 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: some vaccines that the medical community, she says, has accepted 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: as safe and effective. Part of it was a COVID vaccine, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: there were some others that, she says, the Secretary has 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 4: been trying and working to get rid of the approval 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: for those and if you revoke the approval for those vaccines, 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: what happens is, you know, they're no longer on the 57 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: schedule that CDC recommended for kids. That might mean that 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: your health insurance all of a sudden might not cover 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: those vaccines, because oftentimes they just take whatever the CDC recommends. 60 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: And she and what several others in the CDC have 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 4: said now is they feel like they those policies would 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: be putting kids or vulnerable populations at risk, and so 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: for that reason, they were seriously butting heads. So she 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: quit and the others who I'm talking about. There were 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: three other high ranking CDC officials also decided to quit, 66 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: sort of in protest and in solidarity with her with 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: the former director. 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: Now, well, anybody that's followed the career of Robert F. 69 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, way before politics, way before Trump, back in 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: the day when he was a Democrat and Democrats liked him. 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: He has been. 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 3: Talking about the amount of vaccinations that have been added 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: in the eighties, the tremendous increase of vaccinations that have 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: been added to the schedule in the eighties. I mean, 75 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: that's anybody that would apply for the job that would 76 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: stand to be nominated as the director of CDC. It 77 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: is impossible that she could not have been aware of 78 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: where Robert F. Kennedy Junior was on that issue. And 79 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: you're applying for a job that puts you directly under him. 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: How can you be nominated, be confirmed by the Senate, 81 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: go to work, and then complain that Kennedy is very 82 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: concerned about the amount of vaccines that have been added 83 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: to the schedule. 84 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's a great question. I'd really love 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: to hear from doctor Mana and see if she had 86 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: any Inkling beforehand, because it was pretty obvious. I mean, 87 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: he had been very clear and actually she'd only been 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: in the job for a month before you know, this 89 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: came to a head. But even before she became the 90 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: CDC director, I mean, he had already fired the entire 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: vaccination board that that is supposed to sort of go through, 92 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: you know, the safety protocol for vaccines, and he replaced 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: them with people who view the vaccine issue closer to 94 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: how he views it. So there were definitely signs. And 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: I mean, again, it's been no secret that you know, 96 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: he is he has raised suspicion about certain vaccines. So 97 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: I think it's a fair question that you bring up 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: to ask that, you know, maybe she very likely knew 99 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: some of these things in his stances before she was 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: even nominated to be CDC director. Maybe she thought her 101 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: input could change some hearts and minds within the within 102 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: the department, within the agency. I don't know. It's it's again, 103 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: I think the pretty fair question you post. 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it strikes me as bad vetting to be perfectly 105 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: honest with you, because she didn't. 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: She could have said that we have professional disagreements. 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: There's professional disagreements, respectfully, respect professional disagreements about the science 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: here at the CDC. So it's best that I allow 109 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: the agenda of this administration move forward and step out 110 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: of its way. That would have been a statement that 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: would allowed her. 112 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: To exist, you know, in the in the professional world. 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Now she looks like somebody that was trying to stop 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: what Kennedy was trying to do, somebody that was trying 115 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: to stop what Trump was trying to do. When she 116 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: talks about reckless directives and she refused to be a 117 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: rubber stamp for unscientific directives, that's belligerent. 118 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm I don't want to 119 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 4: you know again, I don't want. 120 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: To put you on the spot, but I mean it's 121 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: it's right, But it's it does sound I get it, 122 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: you're the correspondent. It just it's it seems it's almost 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: it almost sounds like if you didn't know anybody, you 124 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: would have thought that she was a holdover from a 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: previous administration. 126 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: And I mean several of the CDC officials were actually 127 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: that resigned today. Some of them were from previous administrations too, 128 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: actually that you know, we're doing the work and just 129 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: had what they describe as serious moral objections to changing 130 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: the vaccine schedule and potentially revoking the approval of some 131 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: vaccines that they said, you know, we're we're just we're 132 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: going to resign. It seems like they had some confidence 133 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: in her that perhaps she could steer the department in 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: a different direction. I can tell you there are some Republicans, 135 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: and the first one that comes to mind is Senator 136 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: Bill Cassidy. He is the Republican chairman of the Senate 137 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: Health Committee who actually does have concerns about this whole 138 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: thing too, and he said just yesterday night that this 139 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: deserves oversight in his views. So what that means is, 140 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, they could probably probe this. You know, he 141 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: was a big advocate for uh doctor Manares to be 142 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: elevated to the role of director. I think, you know, 143 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: there may be some questions there, and we may learn 144 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: more about how this came about, what the internal discussions were, 145 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 4: Did she have the secretary's ear, did she not? These 146 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: are things that we don't know, you know, these are 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: things that we'd like to learn. 148 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Well. 149 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: I think we'll know more in the next couple of days, 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: especially when we learn more about who the acting director 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: is and who will be nominated to be the replacement. 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: Jokalu with News Nation, DC correspondent. Always good to catch 153 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: up with you. Thanks so much for coming in and 154 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: h and filling us in on this one. So this 155 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: is the way it works in Washington, d C. It 156 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: is very, very difficult to get rid of staff. And 157 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: that sounds crazy. You can win the White House and 158 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: you think you're in charge, but you're really not in charge. 159 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: You're not you. 160 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: You are presiding over a disc functional executive branch and 161 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: it takes hard work to drain that swamp. And here 162 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: you have a CDC director who doesn't like the Director 163 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: of Health and Human Services and says, Adam. 164 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, and she actually has to be forced out. 165 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: And then she gets forced out and she, you know, 166 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: leaves a nasty note saying I'm not gonna take reckless 167 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: directives and rubber stamp unscientific directives. 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: This is how hard it is. 169 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: It really is like pulling a tooth to get some 170 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: of the swamp creatures out of a job in DC. 171 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all about it coming up next. 172 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose Info John Cobelt on The John Cobalt Show 173 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 174 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am sixty. 175 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose Info John Covelt. John will be back on Tuesday. 176 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: So the CDC director fired by the Trump administra. She says, 177 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: you can't fire me, only the president can fire me. 178 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 3: And then the President said, all right, you're fired, and 179 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: then she left, but not without saying all kinds of 180 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: mean things about Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is her boss. 181 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at this. Of course, this makes an 182 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: hysterical story. Right immediately the media runs with it that well, 183 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: here it is, here's good Bording America ABC. 184 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 6: The CDC right now is in chaos. The White House 185 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 6: says they've fired the new director, Susan Monterez, after a 186 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 6: tense confrontation with HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior, in 187 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 6: which he insisted that she commit to his changes to 188 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 6: vaccine policy and. 189 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Tried to pressure her. 190 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: See this is why you don't do that, right, because 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: that's the way it winds up on TV chaos at 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: the CDC. She refuses to commit to Robert F. Kennedy's vision. 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: Let me explain to you how this works. The President 194 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: of the United States is the head of the exactecutive 195 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: branch of government. Everything that goes on in the executive 196 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: branch of government is and ought to be an extension 197 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: of the vision. 198 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Of the administration that he oversees. 199 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: It should properly be the way he wants it in 200 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,479 Speaker 3: every form. Every cabinet reports to the president. The Secretary 201 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: of Defense, the Secretary of Interior, the Secretary of Health 202 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: and Human Services, the Secretary of whatever. They are handpicked 203 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: by the president, nominated and then confirmed by the United 204 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: States Senate. 205 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: So their job is to do what the president wants. 206 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: So everybody that works at those agencies, and there are 207 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of government employees. 208 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: When they talk about the swamp, that's the swamp. 209 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: Not Kennedy, not the director of the CDC, although she 210 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: acts pretty swampy, but the hundreds and hundreds of people 211 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: that work under them that are lifers, people that have 212 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: lifetime career jobs at the federal government. And they all 213 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: have attitude problems. They're all see students with attitude problems. 214 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: They all know that you're president for four years. You 215 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: can huff and puff, but we're not changing the way 216 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: we do things and will resist any changes and fight 217 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: back because we know that you just don't want bad 218 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: headlines and you want to get reelected or you want 219 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: to keep the House, So you're not going to make 220 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: a big deal about this and will survive and you won't, 221 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: and we're just going to get pay increases and cost 222 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: of living increases and go home to our homes in Alexandria, 223 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: Virginia and vote Democrat. 224 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: That's the swamp. 225 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: That is what the President of the United States ultimately 226 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: presides over. 227 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: Each and every day. 228 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: Every president gets elected and they think they're in charge, 229 00:12:58,679 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: and they're not. 230 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: They're really not. There are presiding over. 231 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: A swamp of lifers who are see students and who 232 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: are petulant, belligerent government bureaucrats. So real change requires real change. 233 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 3: Real change requires real change. And if you really want 234 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: to change Washington, you have to go hard at these people. 235 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: You say, do exactly what I said. You may very 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: well call rubber stamping. You do exactly what I said, 237 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: or get your crap and get out of here and 238 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: take your staff with you and all your sympathizers in 239 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: the break room, all of you get out. I'd rather 240 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: have none of you working here than the constantly argue 241 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: with you. And that's the way the president is running 242 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 3: this cabinet. 243 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: Now. 244 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: I knew he was going. 245 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: To have problems at the Department of Health and Human Services, 246 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: and that's why I was very glad that Kennedy was there. 247 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: And this is a case in point. Look at this woman. 248 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: She's not in charge. 249 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: It is not up to her, who in Washington has 250 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: spent more time studying vaccines and the impact that they're 251 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: having on our children and our families and our. 252 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: Health and our culture than Robert F. Kennedy Junior. 253 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: You can disagree, but guess what, he's the director of 254 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: the Health and Human Services and you're not. So it's 255 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: his way, which is exactly the way the president wants it, 256 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: and that is the way the administration needs to be run. 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: That's certainly the way the executive branch should be run. 258 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: So she's got to go, and I guess she didn't 259 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: want She wouldn't go quietly. And a bunch of other 260 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: people quit too. 261 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: To resign. 262 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: But this morning, Susan Monaz isn't going without a fight. 263 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 6: She's refusing to leave. 264 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: You're refusing to leave, lady, get lost. 265 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: I mean I don't know what you think is gonna 266 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: happen all one quick to hr and you will not 267 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: be issued a paycheck. 268 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know what you think you do it. 269 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 6: She's refusing to leave. Her lawyers say the notification she 270 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 6: received is quote legally deficient and that only the president 271 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 6: himself can fire her. And she's not the only one 272 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 6: protesting Overnight. 273 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: At least four other. 274 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 6: Top CDC officials quitting on mass, including the CDC's chief 275 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 6: medical officer and the director of the Immunization Center. 276 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: Right. 277 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: See, most presidents would not want that on Good Morning 278 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: America because then everyone's to say, hey, a lot of 279 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: top officials, let the CDC. The CDC is in chaos. 280 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: What if there's a pandemic or something big goes on. 281 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: We're not prepared. What's going on. They don't know what 282 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: they're doing over there. This president like that. Normally, most 283 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: administrations and most politicians would worry about that story. President 284 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: Trump could care less. You could repeat that story all 285 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: week on Good Morning America. 286 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: Who cares? She is the problem? She is the problem. 287 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: Anybody that gets fired and says I'm not going to leave, 288 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: you don't want that bach. 289 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Working for you. 290 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: You know that all my listeners that are in business, 291 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: you know the exact type of person I'm talking about. 292 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: You're fired. I'm not leaving, oh boy. But I'm not surprised. 293 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: This is the swamp and I'm not surprised it's happening 294 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: at Health and Human Services. 295 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: There's going to be more of this. I'm glad that 296 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: the President should firm. 297 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: I'm glad he's empowering Kennedy to get rid of the 298 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: people that are not advancing the vision that this administration has. 299 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: I knew that it was going to be I knew 300 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: the VACS thing was going to be a problem, but 301 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm glad that they stood firm. The other two areas 302 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: where I think there's going to be problems is Medicare 303 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: and the defense budget. 304 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Those are two other. 305 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: Areas where there are huge swamp creatures, huge swamp preachers. 306 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: The amount of fraud in Medicare is just unbelievable. 307 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 308 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: If you watch the hit crime drama on HBO called 309 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: The Sopranos, where Tony Soprano had doctors submitting fake Medicare 310 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: claims because they owed him money gam debt. That's not 311 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: that far off. That's not suspension of disbelief. I used 312 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: to work in Palm Springs for congress Woman Mary Bono 313 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: in Calexico. On the very first street in Calexico, as 314 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: soon as you cross the border from Mexicali into Calexico, 315 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: very first road you get over the border, boom, right 316 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: across the street there is this huge mail boxes et cetera, 317 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: or some kind of one of those places where there's 318 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: nothing but po boxes. 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's a city block wide, and you know who. 320 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: Know what's in those mailboxes, those peo boxes, medicare checks, 321 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: and twice a month, first and the fifteenth, a whole 322 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: bunch of people line up for Mexicali, walk across the border, 323 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: go into that peo box, into all their peo boxes, 324 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: get mail, do a little shopping in the States, and 325 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: then walk back across the border. You could go down 326 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: there and see it for yourself. I have because people 327 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: told me I don't believe this. So that's just one 328 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: example of the kind of fraud that's going on. And 329 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 3: don't even get me started on the Department of Defense, 330 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: where the Navy and the Army are building the exact 331 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: same thing, but one is a different color. 332 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: So there has to be two. 333 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: So that kind of thing goes on, and it's really 334 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 3: hard to train the swamp. But if we want real change, 335 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 3: it requires real change. That's the way you have to 336 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: handle Washington, DC. Loup Penrose in for John Cobelt on 337 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: the John Cobelt Show on KFI AM six forty Live 338 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 339 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 340 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: six forty. 341 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt this week. 342 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: John back on Tuesday talking about the CDC director being 343 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: fired by the Trump administration and refusing to resign. 344 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: And this is very typical of the swamp. 345 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: They believe that they have a right to be there, 346 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: and it's a very DC mentality. 347 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: Other members of the CDC resigned in solidarity. What are 348 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: you talking? 349 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: Look, if you don't agree with where the administration is 350 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: taking the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, then you're inconsistent, 351 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: uh with the job. 352 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: You're not a good fit. Go do something else. But 353 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: they all have to get in the way. 354 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: And I love the whole Oh you can't fire her, 355 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 3: Well she's fired, Well then we're gonna quit too. 356 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: To resign. 357 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 6: But this morning, Susan Monoraz isn't going without a fight. 358 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: She's refusing to leave. Her lawyers say the notification she 359 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 6: received is quote legally deficient and that only the President 360 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 6: himself can fire her. 361 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: What this is so amazing to me. 362 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna call my lawyer. You can't fire me, Kennedy. 363 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: Only the president can fire me. All right, you want 364 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: to bother the president. The President nominated me, I was confirmed. 365 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: I sit in the cabinet. You know we're good. 366 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: Pack your crap and go. 367 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 6: And she's not the only one protesting. Overnight, at least 368 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 6: four other top CDC officials quitting on mass, including the 369 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 6: CDC's chief medical officer and the director of the Immunization Center. 370 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, ABC, I'm so scared. I don't know 371 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do. I don't know how I'm going 372 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: to survive as an American without the chief medical officer 373 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: who is so unstable that they have to quit because 374 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: the head of the CDC got fired and they think 375 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: that that's the best use of their skill is to 376 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: show solidarity for the girl in the break room. Turns 377 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: out these other people that quit also should have been fired. 378 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: These are not people we want around here, is they 379 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: ask Caroline Levitt, I love you know, this is, in 380 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: fact the most transparent presidency. 381 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: They said, hey, you fired the head of the CDC. 382 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: Now a bunch of other really important people quit. What 383 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: are we gonna do about that? 384 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 7: I understand there were a few other individuals who resigned 385 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 7: after the firing of Miss Monarez. One of those individuals 386 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 7: wrote in his departure statement that he identifies pregnant women 387 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 7: as pregnant people. So that's not someone who we want 388 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 7: in this administration anyway. 389 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: So that's great, that's fantastic. Center of Disease Control chief 390 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: Medical Officer. There are no pregnant women, just pregnant people. 391 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: Men too can become pregnant. So pardon me if I 392 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: don't shed a tear that he's no longer the chief 393 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Medical officer. 394 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, these people in DC. Man, I'll tell you what. 395 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: So when Congressman Chris Cox, you may recall the name, 396 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 3: those of you in Orange County do. He was the 397 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: member of Congress representing Newport Beach for a long time, 398 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: like swept in after the Reagan administration. 399 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: I think he was first. 400 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: Elected in ninety or eighty eight, right, around then with 401 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: Dana Roorbacher from Huntington Beach and the whole young Republican 402 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: crew and served in Congress until the Bush administration nominated him. 403 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: To be chair of the U S Securities. 404 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 3: And Exchange Commission, and so he vacated a seat and 405 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: you know, was nominated and confirmed as the head of 406 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: the Securities and Exchange Commission. And after a couple of 407 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: months in DC, I remember he was back home in 408 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: Newport Beach and I was working in Congress at the 409 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: time for the congressman that ran for that seat, Congressman 410 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: John Campbell, and I saw him, and you know, the 411 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: question I have in these circumstances, like what were you 412 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: most surprised by it? 413 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Like what was your biggest surprise? You know, your way 414 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: around Washington. 415 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 3: He worked in the Reagan administration, you served in Congress, 416 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: you actually were in house leadership. 417 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: So was there anything surprising about being in the cabinet? 418 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: And he said, Lou, the most surprising thing, and I 419 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: could probably speak for any cabinet secretary, is you can't 420 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: fire anybody. You literally cannot fire anybody like for anything, 421 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: for incompetence, for failure to show up. 422 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, you got. 423 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: Staff members that are drunk, and you can't fire them, 424 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: you know, because in DC, right, alcoholism is a disease. 425 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: It's not a character flaw, and so you got to 426 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 3: send them out for treatment. 427 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: People don't show up for work, you gotta, you know, 428 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: interview them, send them over to HR. What's going on? 429 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: Or you're having depression? What's going on? Why aren't you 430 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: showing up for work? Why aren't you getting your work done? 431 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: It's impossible to fire a federal employee. 432 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: So all federal employees know that, and they reach a 433 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: pay grade, they reach a scale, and they know they're 434 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 3: going to get cost of living adjustments every year, so 435 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: they just get into a comfort zone and they lay back. 436 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: And that was my first order of business. I wanted to, 437 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: you know, trim the department. I thought we were way 438 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: over staffed and we were top heavy. So I sent 439 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 3: my deputies out to go find me people that were 440 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 3: underperforming and let's release them. 441 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: And you can't do it. 442 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: And Cox was right then. And it's been that way 443 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: since the Bush administration. Well it's been that way prior 444 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 3: to the Bush administration, but that's when I first learned 445 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: about it. And Trump is trying to change that. And 446 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: it's you hear it in the attitude. And this is 447 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: the top level, This is the director of the CDC. 448 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: How dare you fire me? You can't fire me. Only 449 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: the president can fire me. 450 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: Why would you want to work for a cabinet member 451 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: who doesn't want you there? Like? 452 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: How's that going to go? 453 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: Especially on something so important and frankly, such a priority 454 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: to the Director of Health and Human Services, Robert F. 455 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, as the. 456 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 3: Issue of not vaccines, the question of the amount of 457 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: new vaccinations that were added to newborns in the eighties. 458 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: I know a little bit about this because I had 459 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: my children. My oldest is sixteen, so sixteen years ago. 460 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: But I remember Kennedy talking about it. He said, there 461 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: have been for years and years and years and decades, 462 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 3: pretty much the same amount of vaccinations every time a 463 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: baby's born, and then all of a sudden in the 464 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: middle of the eighties, it doubled out of nowhere for 465 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: things we'd never heard of and have not been properly tested, 466 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: certainly not the testing that we did for all the 467 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 3: earlier vaccinations. And Kennedy also drew a straight line between 468 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: all those vaccinations and other childhood problems like autism. So 469 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: it sparked his curiosity like any good scientist, and some 470 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, that really makes the bureaucrats at the 471 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: CDC very upset. And now you have this one that's 472 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: saying I'm not going to rubber stamp his unscientific, reckless directives. 473 00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: Lady, get lost. 474 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 8: These goopball people in Washington don't understand that woman. So 475 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 8: the CDC, everybody is expendable, Everybody can be replaced. Get 476 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 8: the hell out of DC. 477 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: Back your crap and get the hackle out of DC. 478 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Louke Penrose in for. 479 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: John Cobelt on The John Cobelt Show on KFI AM 480 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 481 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AI. 482 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt on The John Cobelt Show. 483 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: Speaking of government employees, remember the government employee that threw 484 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: the subway sandwich at the comp. 485 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't like. He works for the federal government. Didn't like. 486 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: Either the National Guard or was it the Border Patrol, 487 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 3: Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He didn't like it, so he 488 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: threw the subway sandwich at him. And was charged. It 489 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: turns out they're not going to indict him for a felony. 490 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they're gonna do with. 491 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 9: Sources say a grand jury's decided there won't be a 492 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 9: felony indictment against Sean Charles Don after he was busted 493 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 9: for throwing a sandwich at a federal agent in Washington, thirty. 494 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Seven years old. 495 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: Thirty seven years old, Remember when I told you Democrats 496 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: don't have a political problem. 497 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: Democrats have a maturity problem. 498 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: Like, regardless of what their politics are, they are so 499 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: immature throwing a sandwich at an officer. 500 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 9: After he was busted for throwing a sandwich at a 501 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 9: federal agent in Washington. A video of the incident went viral, 502 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 9: showing Dun shouting why are you here? 503 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: I don't want you in my city. 504 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 9: Soon after, he was fired from his job at the 505 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 9: Criminal Division of the DOJ d OJ. 506 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: What did I tell you? 507 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: Washington d C is staffed by lifers who are petulance 508 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 3: c students. Deep DOJ stands for Department of Justice. He 509 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: worked for the Department of Justice and still could not 510 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: contain himself and his immaturity and threw a sandwich at 511 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: a federal agent Seawan Dunn. 512 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 10: Accused of attacking a federal officer with a foot long 513 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 10: subway sandwich similar to this one right here. 514 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: And is all caught on camera. Now, this was pretty 515 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: good camera work. I have tomit. This is the Fox 516 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: affiliate in DC. You see these fascists right here. 517 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: You take a look at Pottymount, So federal employee you're 518 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: paying his salary, works for the DOJ, walking around DC 519 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: at night, mad at law enforcement. Does not like the 520 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: increased presence of law enforcement screaming bad words at our 521 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: federal employees. 522 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 10: Take a look at this cell phone video from late 523 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 10: Sunday night. Thirty seven year old Sean Dunn shown in 524 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 10: the pink shirt and shorts. 525 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: What was that? 526 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: What's he wearing on a Sunday night? Shown in the 527 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: pink shirt and shorts hmmm. 528 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 10: Allegedly yelling and federal officers on Fourteenth Street in DC. 529 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: He's screaming shame at the Immigration and Customs enforcement officers 530 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: and the National Guard in the pink shirt and shorts. 531 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 10: Moments later, video appearing to show him crossing the street 532 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 10: screaming just inches from a US Customs and Border Protection 533 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 10: officer's face, and then appearing to hit the officer in 534 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 10: the chest with a foot long subway sandwich. 535 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: Ooof that's a mistake. That would be a sault. You know, 536 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: you can get shot for that. The officer, the agent 537 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: doesn't know what's being thrown at them, Like this guy's 538 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: a maniac. 539 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't know he works for. 540 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: The Department of Justice, and he just knows that he 541 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: has a pink shirt on and a projectile is coming 542 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 3: in the direction of an officer and there are nuts 543 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: out there and belligerent people like that. Could have been anything, 544 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: could have been a rock, could have been a grenade. 545 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: Don't be doing that. 546 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 10: Officers immediately chasing Dune in the street and eventually catch 547 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 10: and arrest him. 548 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: So he got fired from the DOJ. No longer on 549 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: the federal payroll. So that's good, thirty seven years old. 550 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what he's gonna do next. I'm sure 551 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: he'll get a job with a Democrat senator or something 552 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: working on a campaign. But it is just unbelievable. The 553 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 3: level of immaturity is unbelievable. And I have said it 554 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: before and I'll say it again. This is really the 555 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: Democrat problem. It is not a political problem. They don't 556 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: have a political problem so much as they have a 557 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: maturity problem. Their core constituency is immature. I don't know 558 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: if they are just great big babies, if Trump derangement 559 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: syndrome has wrecked their mind, maybe they too are on 560 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: some kind. 561 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: Of mood altering drug. I don't know. 562 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: You're not gonna see me throwing a subway sandwich at 563 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 3: a cop. In fact, I'm not throwing anything out a 564 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: guy with a gun. You know what's interesting? So the 565 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: Fox News affiliate there in DC, they went and asked people. 566 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: Of course, you know, the next day you got to 567 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: go and stand in front of the subway where the 568 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: subway sandwich was purchased. 569 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, it asked people. This is called man 570 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: on the. 571 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: Street interviews MS and they only interviewed women. And I 572 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: thought this was interesting because what do we always hear 573 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: is the core constituency of Democrats, right, Democrats are always 574 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 3: women and minorities. 575 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Women and minorities. 576 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: Well that's who they And I don't know that the 577 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: reporter did this on purpose or it just turned out 578 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: that way, but he interviewed three women about this story 579 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: right there in front of the subway on Fourteenth Street 580 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: in DC. 581 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: What do you make of all? 582 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: This guy threw a sandwich out a US Customs and 583 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: Border Protection agent. 584 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: And there are three little quick interviews. 585 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 3: And I don't know what the nationality of these women are, 586 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: but I can presume just a ballpark it based I 587 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: used to live in DC, so I know the people 588 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: that I think. This woman, she's certainly of color. I'll 589 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: based on the accent. I'll go with Puerto Rican. But 590 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: here's the interview of the woman of color. 591 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: Her reaction. 592 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 9: It's disrespectful for the police officers. 593 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: And you don't like that. No, I don't like that 594 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: at all. So women of color, it's disrespectful. Here's a 595 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: black woman. I'm just disgusting because he's a black women disgusted. 596 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Here's the liberal white woman. 597 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: So the woman of color, both of them, they are disgusted, outraged. 598 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: I think it's terrible. He's an officer, show some respect 599 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Here's the white woman. 600 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: He didn't get hurt. 601 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 7: There's no reason to get a felony because. 602 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: So what he's wearing a uniform. He's supposed to be 603 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: a hero protector. 604 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 7: If he got a subway thrown at him, oh well, 605 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 7: like he should just you know, say, don't do that, 606 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 7: or just get an apology. 607 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: The liberal white woman wants the officer to just ask 608 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: for apology because he didn't get hurt. 609 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: I thought that was so interesting. I thought, there it is. 610 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: There's the reason the Democrat Party is just sinking like 611 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: a stone, popularity rating around twenty seven percent. And on 612 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: the issue of law and order and law enforcement, Trump's 613 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: numbers are in the high fifties and Democrats are in 614 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 3: the toilet. And that's the reason why right there, that's 615 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 3: also the reason why President Trump is growing his base 616 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: of support among minorities. Right, easy question, what do you 617 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: make of this guy throwing a subway sandwich at the officer? 618 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Hit it again? 619 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 9: It's disrespectful for the police officers. 620 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: You don't like that. No, I don't like that at all. Right, 621 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: women of color, disrespectful black woman. I'm just disgusted because 622 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: white woman, he didn't get hurt. He didn't get hurt, 623 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: he didn't get hurt. 624 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: It's so classic, absolutely classic. Now we don't know what 625 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 3: the sandwich was made of. Eric, I'm going with the 626 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 3: veggie delight. But the vengie delight wouldn't pack enough heft, 627 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: because if you watch the video, you'll see the uh, 628 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: I mean the sandwich really, it just it hit the 629 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: officer like a wet, you know, towel. I mean it 630 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: really kind of like really hit into him and kind 631 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: of exploded a little bit. So there had to be 632 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: at least some meat in there, or it was a 633 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 3: veggie delight with extra male that could have been the case. 634 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: There had to be something in there. I don't know 635 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: what the kind of person that throws a subway sandwich 636 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: at an Immigration and Customs enforcement officer, what that person 637 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 3: likes to eat, but something telling me it's just not. 638 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: A turkey and cheese, all right, So we're out of here. 639 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: We got to run. 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