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Speaker 1: to Beyond the Scenes. This is the podcast that goes
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Speaker 1: on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. Now,
Speaker 1: this week marks the one year anniversary. I don't even
Speaker 1: like the word anniversary because I don't want to keep
Speaker 1: remembering this thing. But the January six uprising that went
Speaker 1: down at the Capitol, the insurrection bunch of Trump supporters
Speaker 1: went there and lost their damn minds, and violently tried
Speaker 1: to stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the capital.
Speaker 1: Even to say it aloud, it's surreal. So we have
Speaker 1: two people with us on the program today to help
Speaker 1: us break this down. The first gentleman is uh. He's
Speaker 1: an Emmy nominated daily show contributor and uh he was
Speaker 1: there at the Capitol And he's always there all the time,
Speaker 1: mixing it up with the Trump supporters. And if it's
Speaker 1: anyone that is not a fan of his activities, it
Speaker 1: is his wife and child. He is Jordan Clepper. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was there with Miami nomination where well, Jordan, our
Speaker 1: next guest is an Emmy winner, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: and that's why you put it in there. That's why
Speaker 1: you put it in there. I was about to hop
Speaker 1: in when you said Emmy nominated and be like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, Oh, that's Jordan's that's Jordan, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: He is the host of MSNBC's All In with Chris Hayes,
Speaker 1: and the podcast is why is this happening? Emmy Winner winner,
Speaker 1: Chris Hayes, How you doing good? I just I'm conjuring
Speaker 1: a very funny notion in my head of like Jordan's
Speaker 1: in the midst of the insurrection, and people like starting
Speaker 1: to get a little like chesty with him being like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Emmy nominated. I just want you to know
Speaker 1: maybe you should back off a little bit because I've
Speaker 1: got an Emmy nomination. Chris, I'd like to start with you,
Speaker 1: because you get to exist in a place that you
Speaker 1: don't have the burden of having to find a punchline
Speaker 1: in between vomit of information to your viewers. The revision
Speaker 1: just just bomb. It's straight from it, unleavened by punchlines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we're going for. Yeah, the revisionist history that
Speaker 1: has happened around why the insurrection happened, whether or not
Speaker 1: we can vilify the insurrection is because we're still at
Speaker 1: a point right now where they're still identifying people from
Speaker 1: the footage. Some have gone to jail, some have been convicted,
Speaker 1: but they're still stitching some of this stuff together. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to play a clip real quick
Speaker 1: of just Republicans flip flopping their positions. Let's just start
Speaker 1: with our elected officials and their opinions of the uprising line.
Speaker 1: The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by
Speaker 1: mob brider, and we have were so successful under President Trump.
Speaker 1: The last thing we want to do is be fighting
Speaker 1: among ourselves. We've had a hell of a journey. All
Speaker 1: I can say is count me out. Enough is enough.
Speaker 1: It's impossible for this party to move forward without President
Speaker 1: Trump being its leader. So you think it was an
Speaker 1: impatiable offense. Oh sure, how do you a grade Trump
Speaker 1: best president? Oh? Listen, overall, I give the president to that.
Speaker 1: And you lost Lindsey Graham. When you lose all these people,
Speaker 1: When Tom Cotton says it's time for you to concede,
Speaker 1: I think that you've got over the top. He couldn't
Speaker 1: even use his own Twitter account because he's been justifiably
Speaker 1: suspended for the last twenty four hours. And there was
Speaker 1: nothing about that speech that was inside phone the presidents.
Speaker 1: So using the term peacefully go down there, he didn't
Speaker 1: just say go down there and take the capital over. Chris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hear all of that flip flopping, and you see
Speaker 1: it every day on a regular basis, and as you
Speaker 1: prep for your Emmy winning program, Chris, are we crazy?
Speaker 1: Just just just are we crazy for just trying to
Speaker 1: make sure people understand just how heinous this was that
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a huge focus of the show
Speaker 1: for the past year, precisely because of the revisionist history.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's to me, there's there's a
Speaker 1: few layers to it, right. One is it like, particularly
Speaker 1: in the context of the American criminal justice system, the
Speaker 1: way in which policing operates, particularly on people of color,
Speaker 1: what we've seen with George Floyd, Like the idea that
Speaker 1: people are going to turn around and excuse like mob
Speaker 1: violence after all of this whipping up of this frenzy
Speaker 1: about it. You know, in the same moment, in the
Speaker 1: same program, they'll be like, hey, check out this smash
Speaker 1: and grab operation that happened, that took a bunch of purses. Oh,
Speaker 1: and also like it wasn't that big a deal when
Speaker 1: they like, you know, dragged a cop down the stairs
Speaker 1: and and and and threatened his life. So there's that
Speaker 1: aspect of it, which is like the idea that there's
Speaker 1: no actual standard for behavior, that like, if you're on
Speaker 1: our side, it's fine, and if you're on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's not, which I think is like an incredibly Trumpian
Speaker 1: notion um and I think it's a conservative notion before that,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, liberals can fall prey to
Speaker 1: it too, but it's on such display potently here. So
Speaker 1: there's the sort of excuses of minimization. Then there's the
Speaker 1: just like crazy disinformation of like it was the FEDS
Speaker 1: was Antifa, like trying to come up with these increasingly
Speaker 1: ludicrous and far fetched notions to essentially be exculpatory for
Speaker 1: what people actually did. And then the third aspect of it,
Speaker 1: I think that's really important is people want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: well that you know, there's some people will say, well,
Speaker 1: what they did. You know, obviously violence is wrong. When
Speaker 1: they did the capital is wrong. But like the one
Speaker 1: and fifty whatever fifty members of Congress to Republicans, the
Speaker 1: eight or nine members of the Senate that voted against
Speaker 1: seating the electoral votes, like, the entire project was insidious.
Speaker 1: The entire project was authoritarian. The entire project, whether they
Speaker 1: were like at the Ellipse and they were doing it peacefully,
Speaker 1: it was just Josh Halldy like, yeah, exactly, like the
Speaker 1: like that is the culmination and that itself is in
Speaker 1: a sort of special place. But the whole project was
Speaker 1: to overturn democratic election and install an authoritarian leader over
Speaker 1: the will of the people by whatever means, whether that
Speaker 1: means was Mike Pence ruling in a certain way, whether
Speaker 1: the means was you know, using loopholes in the Electoral
Speaker 1: count Act to get state delegations together to lipper the
Speaker 1: boat like, whatever it was, the whole project was rotten
Speaker 1: to the core. And you can't just say, well, yes,
Speaker 1: what they did at the Capitol was wrong. The whole
Speaker 1: project was wrong. But my thing, though in a weird way,
Speaker 1: clipper like, I understand politicians flip flopping because they have
Speaker 1: a check behind the things that they say. They have
Speaker 1: a real motivation. The voters, on the other hand, who
Speaker 1: decided to go and be a part of this in
Speaker 1: spite of all of them, because people love to say,
Speaker 1: they love to say, well, I'm doing my research, Well
Speaker 1: have you done a little bit more research or stupid
Speaker 1: as wouldn't be out here. The voters don't have a check, uh,
Speaker 1: and they're probably not gonna get one, but they do
Speaker 1: have an identity, and I think that's the thing that
Speaker 1: I see people clinging to. The thing that surprised me
Speaker 1: most when I went to Trump event in Iowa a
Speaker 1: few months back and we brought up January six like
Speaker 1: there isn't there was no coherent um narrative as to
Speaker 1: what had happened on January sixth. Uh. And some people, yes,
Speaker 1: what happened was wrong, and it was wrong because Antifa
Speaker 1: were instigators. It was wrong because FBI, c I, A,
Speaker 1: NASA and any organization you want to throw out there.
Speaker 1: Some people said it wasn't wrong like that, Uh, Ashley
Speaker 1: Babbitt was as a as a hero and there should
Speaker 1: have been more Ashley's out there. Some people declare it
Speaker 1: was not nothing happened on the sixth and and and
Speaker 1: to me again that that that all has to do
Speaker 1: with more often than that when I would go out
Speaker 1: in the field and talk to folks, Uh, you don't
Speaker 1: need a coherent philosophy behind what happened or even a
Speaker 1: coherent narrative. You just need a foothold to get you
Speaker 1: to the next the next thing. And at that point
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you know, so much misinformation and
Speaker 1: bs has been spewed since that that like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can you can read something about the FBI, Antifa. You
Speaker 1: can believe it didn't happen, or you can believe it
Speaker 1: did happen. It should have happened it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: doesn't all have to fit. It just has to get
Speaker 1: you onto the next thing. And I I for one,
Speaker 1: that was surprised how quickly that inform nation and that
Speaker 1: those disjunctive narratives uh came about thanks to online bullshit.
Speaker 1: They have a very interesting take on who was behind
Speaker 1: the January six insurrection. Oh, antifa um like the corrupt
Speaker 1: fbi um basically Rhino's crop, politicians, the deep state, all that.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe it was people like me and
Speaker 1: people like you see over there in that crowd that
Speaker 1: did it. Who who was? But the I, C, I
Speaker 1: A and TIFA were used, other other groups like that.
Speaker 1: It seemed like a lot of them were going into
Speaker 1: the Capitol to attack Nancy Pelosi and perhaps hang which one,
Speaker 1: the one with the bull horns. He's not a Trumpe supporter.
Speaker 1: I don't care what his resumes is. He's not a
Speaker 1: Trumpe supporter. In fact, do you remember the picture of
Speaker 1: the plane in Afghana stand what all the people running
Speaker 1: next to it? That was a balloon plane. If you
Speaker 1: look at the pictures of the real plate and there's
Speaker 1: pieces that are missing from the real plane into that place.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there's a con Era sea around the
Speaker 1: Afghanistan withdrawal. No, I'm saying that there was one guy
Speaker 1: there who ray, it's the only guy who turned to
Speaker 1: the camera and waved his hands. Y'all remember that, everybody,
Speaker 1: Remember that he's the guy with the horns on his hat.
Speaker 1: He was in Afghanistan. Yes, go look at the pictures.
Speaker 1: I think he's in jail right now. Did you go
Speaker 1: for the JFK JR. Dead body returned from the death plot?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? I got trust me my frequent flyer
Speaker 1: miles and that one. That one's on the list. I
Speaker 1: get more, I get more tweets about that of like
Speaker 1: are you coming to this? Are you coming? It's almost
Speaker 1: like a relative now. People are like, you gotta go
Speaker 1: down to Dallas. You know your your your homies are
Speaker 1: hanging out down by Done on the grass. No, are
Speaker 1: you gonna go see them? They're they're they're waiting for you.
Speaker 1: I do think there's a little bit of a distinct
Speaker 1: because like that that is like the hardest of the hardcore,
Speaker 1: Like that is like that is genuine mass delusion in
Speaker 1: a in a really acute sense. I think that what's
Speaker 1: on display more broadly among the sort of grassroots right.
Speaker 1: He is also a form of mass illusion, but a
Speaker 1: little more ground a little more complex, and a little
Speaker 1: more like grounded and familiar things like it's funny what
Speaker 1: you're just saying, Jordan there, because I've had this experience too.
Speaker 1: It's the mode of operating that you operate in if
Speaker 1: you're in the heat of like a bad fight with
Speaker 1: a person that you love or like a or or
Speaker 1: an argument with someone like whether it's a you know,
Speaker 1: a sibling or a friend or a spouse, where like
Speaker 1: you're just churning through justification, like you're just trying, like
Speaker 1: you're not You're just like I won't concede. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give in to you in this moment. It's
Speaker 1: like it's all will You're not like you're not conversing,
Speaker 1: you're not like examining the avidce. I mean I'm saying
Speaker 1: this is when like you're in a bad, bad mode
Speaker 1: of it's all it's all the toilet seat has been
Speaker 1: left up, Like okay, but is that is that? Is
Speaker 1: that all you have right now? You're like in this
Speaker 1: relations I'm sorry, No, I just think I just think
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a collective defensiveness, which is like
Speaker 1: you've put me on the spot, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to concede to you putting me on the spot. And
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to to to diffuse that actually bad.
Speaker 1: Like whatever I have to say to sort of when
Speaker 1: you're talking about like getting to that next foothold, it's
Speaker 1: like it's exactly, it's like I don't want to concede
Speaker 1: because then I'm I'm I'm giving away some power to
Speaker 1: you and I feel already oppressed by you. And that,
Speaker 1: I think is is the kind of operational mode of
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the kind of like Maga
Speaker 1: Core where it really isn't coherent. Like I mean, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite stories is like and I'm sure maybe
Speaker 1: you guys have seen this, but it was it was
Speaker 1: like a few days after the the insurrection where there
Speaker 1: was like a guy who was in it who had
Speaker 1: to go on his Facebook page to be like, I
Speaker 1: see all these people blaming Antifa it. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: I was there. Don't It wasn't Antifa. We did it,
Speaker 1: the patriots. Like he's piste off that Antifa is getting
Speaker 1: the credit for what he did and has to go
Speaker 1: into these like crazy disinformation networks that he is embedded
Speaker 1: in to be like, y'all, hey, I was there, we
Speaker 1: did it. Stop giving them credit for what these patriots
Speaker 1: then and it was just a perfect to me encapsulation
Speaker 1: of like they're really your point to get back to
Speaker 1: your point, Jordan's there is no actual coherent story about
Speaker 1: January six. On the right, there's a bunch of different
Speaker 1: stories that are thrown out to move on to the
Speaker 1: next topic, distract or mass exculpate the folks involved so
Speaker 1: that you can get back to the real thing, which
Speaker 1: is that the Libs are oppressing you in whatever way.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to get to after the break,
Speaker 1: because I'm just I'm curious about the MSNBC Chris Hayes
Speaker 1: news curation process because we're always stuck at the Daily
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Speaker 1: happened that's being reconstituted is something different, or do we
Speaker 1: follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is
Speaker 1: it allowed to happen? And I'm very curious how you
Speaker 1: decide which ones to bring to light on your show.
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Speaker 1: How are we doing this? Jordan Clipper, Chris Hayes? Are
Speaker 1: we saying heavy? Jan six? Are we saying J six?
Speaker 1: Do we say never forget? Do we say always forget? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's just important to keep saying the date
Speaker 1: because I think five years from now there's a legitimate chance.
Speaker 1: We go from January five to January seven on the
Speaker 1: Gregorian calendar, and so whatever you do, just make sure
Speaker 1: you repeat the date so people understand that it is
Speaker 1: a moment in time. Like we just agree a moment
Speaker 1: in time, that day never existed. It just didn't happen.
Speaker 1: We can you believe it. We remember the Alamo. Do
Speaker 1: you know what happened at the Alamo? It was a
Speaker 1: terrible loss which poorly placed Davy Crockett went down, The
Speaker 1: guy who created the bowie knife went down. Like that's
Speaker 1: a that's a terrible story. We should forget that story.
Speaker 1: Poor planning on America's part. Yet we remember that January six.
Speaker 1: We could take a lot of lessons from that, and
Speaker 1: we are we are, We're trashing it as quick as
Speaker 1: we can. I'll be honest as a black person and
Speaker 1: closely monitoring January six to make sure that it doesn't
Speaker 1: bleed over into Martin Luther King weekends. A little close
Speaker 1: could turn into a week long celebration. Once it's a
Speaker 1: week long, then it's a whole month, and then you
Speaker 1: got mL K in the middle of resurrection this month
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell. Patre So Chris on your program
Speaker 1: on MSNBC. We just spoke about the misinformation and what
Speaker 1: motivates it. How and what do you decide to report
Speaker 1: on on your show number one just on some just
Speaker 1: straight up mental health ship. How do you stay calm
Speaker 1: just in the morning when you're just reading the headlines?
Speaker 1: How do you remain calm and measured as you deliver
Speaker 1: news that people are going to Dallas to see the
Speaker 1: dead body come out of the ground. Is it a
Speaker 1: possible goal? And stay calm Chris, because we know you're
Speaker 1: gonna go all in like you have. That's just that's
Speaker 1: the brand. You gotta go all in. And so in
Speaker 1: the morning, are you're like, should I just go half
Speaker 1: of the way in and stay calm or no? This
Speaker 1: is what the people want? Like Melbourne, I hate not
Speaker 1: I am generally Uh well, I don't think I'm that
Speaker 1: calm honestly. I mean I think that I what I
Speaker 1: try to do is I definitely think that I've spent
Speaker 1: a lot more time telling myself the Serenity Prayer about
Speaker 1: like things I can control and things I can't, the
Speaker 1: wisdom and to know the difference, um, which is a
Speaker 1: big part of it. Like I think that there are
Speaker 1: times where because I do have a platform that are
Speaker 1: very privileged to have, it feels like that I have
Speaker 1: more causal, Like there were definitely times during COVID where
Speaker 1: I felt like it was my job to like save
Speaker 1: the country from the mass death of COVID. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but and but I failed. I mean I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't work. I mean, I you know, we we
Speaker 1: I think, and and right now I think I feel
Speaker 1: that way about like American democracy the way that I
Speaker 1: felt I think last year around COVID, even though of
Speaker 1: course we're still in the pandemic um, but I'm Erican
Speaker 1: democracy seems to me, like I feel in a similar
Speaker 1: way of just like ringing this alarm bell, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing I have. I have the bullhorn, I have
Speaker 1: the alarm bell, I have the platform. We've been very
Speaker 1: focused on this story generally, the story of American democracy
Speaker 1: in peril, in in apparel, that it never has really
Speaker 1: faced in this particular way. It's faced peril in many
Speaker 1: different ways, and wasn't really actually a democracy for the
Speaker 1: you know, the vast, vast majority of the of the
Speaker 1: country's existence. So it's not like there's some like beautiful,
Speaker 1: healthy on days to look back on, but what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing that we focus on,
Speaker 1: and we focus a lot on January six specifically, but
Speaker 1: but more broadly, like the fate of American democracy is
Speaker 1: that it's hard. I think in the same way that
Speaker 1: I think the first days, in the first weeks and
Speaker 1: months of the pandemic were hard. It is hard to
Speaker 1: get your heads head around the scope and enormity of
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. But like, if they had pulled
Speaker 1: it off, it really would have been the case that
Speaker 1: the fundament toil precept that undergirds this whole thing, which
Speaker 1: is that the people choose their leaders, not the other
Speaker 1: way around, and that a majority of people is what
Speaker 1: stands in for the whole when you're dealing with democratic elections.
Speaker 1: To cast that out, um, you know, really would have
Speaker 1: been an enormous apocaly break with what we've had before,
Speaker 1: and that's still that threat still looms over us. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question, Chris, like you talk about the
Speaker 1: the the insurrection was something that had been happening the
Speaker 1: week beforehand and was happening behind closed doors, Are you
Speaker 1: at all afraid that in the discussion of this and
Speaker 1: how perhaps the media frames, and also just the mindset
Speaker 1: of those who digest it. We're gonna go down this
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, and it's all gonna be about whether or
Speaker 1: not Donald Trump gave the go ahead to you go
Speaker 1: straight ahead. Yeah, that's a great point. It's something I'm
Speaker 1: really trying hard to avoid because I think we saw
Speaker 1: that in some ways with what happened with the Russia story,
Speaker 1: which was like, oh, we got him, We're gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: and also right, and it's but it's also like take
Speaker 1: a step back. It's like they the Russians wanted Donald
Speaker 1: Trump be president and sought to aid his campaign. The
Speaker 1: campaign privately and publicly welcomed their help, like and then
Speaker 1: they committed a variety of very serious crimes to sabotage
Speaker 1: his opponent. Those three things we knew from the jump,
Speaker 1: like so, and then you know, and understandably got into
Speaker 1: the moment and then it was like, well they didn't
Speaker 1: find this smoking gun where he you know, called up
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin and said hack Hillary whatever. It's like, well
Speaker 1: he said it on he said it on camera. I
Speaker 1: mean he said, we're going to go down to the Capitol. Now,
Speaker 1: we literally instructed the crowd We're gonna walk down to
Speaker 1: the capital and we're gonna cheer on our brave senators
Speaker 1: and congressmen and women, and we're probably not gonna be
Speaker 1: cheering so much for some of them, because you'll never
Speaker 1: take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength,
Speaker 1: and you have to be strong. It was like he'd
Speaker 1: grabbed them and he bowled them, you know, down Pennsylvania Avenue.
Speaker 1: So I agree that it's important to keep what is
Speaker 1: publicly known. He's unbelievably damning, would disqualify him from ever
Speaker 1: holding any position of public trust ever. And I think
Speaker 1: there's a plausible criminal case to be made against him
Speaker 1: under federal law. He certainly should have been impeached. He
Speaker 1: certainly should have been disqualified from ever holding public office. No,
Speaker 1: if we learn nothing new starting now, and I think
Speaker 1: your your point is well taken and something that we
Speaker 1: really try on the show to avoid, which is we're
Speaker 1: constantly resetting what are the publicly known facts and what
Speaker 1: they say about the danger of this individual and the
Speaker 1: movement that he leads and the threat it poses to
Speaker 1: American democracy, Whether or not we find out even more
Speaker 1: damning details, which I suspect we will. Chris On your show,
Speaker 1: Trump loyalists and insurrectionists, you generally, for the most part,
Speaker 1: don't swim in those waters of talking to those types
Speaker 1: of people. Is that in the effort to keep the
Speaker 1: misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use
Speaker 1: your show as a vessel for misinformation, like walk me
Speaker 1: through the strategy in that. Yeah. I mean, we actually
Speaker 1: had two of them the other night, and it was
Speaker 1: sort of interesting. We had these two folks that were
Speaker 1: the people that plan the Ellipse rally and are now
Speaker 1: cooperating the January six committee. Um, mostly because like they
Speaker 1: feel thrown under the bus by Trump, not I think
Speaker 1: for any noble reason above that. Um. But look, the
Speaker 1: problem is, and I learned this. I come back to
Speaker 1: this example all the time, and I think my staff
Speaker 1: is probably tired of hearing about it, but it's very
Speaker 1: formative for me. Like, if you were in the left
Speaker 1: in two thousand two or two thousand three, and you're
Speaker 1: in spaces, you're going to anti war protests, are you're
Speaker 1: going to events, you're writing for lefty magazines, you were
Speaker 1: encounter r truth. There's a lot a lot they were everywhere.
Speaker 1: They would get up and ask the first question at
Speaker 1: every event, and they And one of the things I
Speaker 1: quickly learned was like you couldn't get into a debate
Speaker 1: or win a debate with them because like there was
Speaker 1: no Like they were like, what about this angle of
Speaker 1: this shadow of this If you look at this lamp
Speaker 1: post by the Pentagon, it couldn't have been clipped by
Speaker 1: this wing and this engine. But and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're just in this work of steel that was made
Speaker 1: in that year in the construction, and you can't. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with like I think people that adhere
Speaker 1: to the big lie, you know, it's like you can't
Speaker 1: really engage on those terms and get anything useful. The
Speaker 1: other thing for me, and this is different than for Jordan,
Speaker 1: is like we have a live show and we have
Speaker 1: these time limits and so controlling and wrangling. You know,
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference. Like if I could go
Speaker 1: and talk to people and then take all that footage
Speaker 1: and figure out what we're gonna do with it. But
Speaker 1: I'm there on live TV. And not only that, there's
Speaker 1: a responsibility of that, which is that everything they're saying
Speaker 1: is going out to five million people, and I'm in
Speaker 1: some ways responsible for that, right, So like so it's
Speaker 1: just a it's a it's it's it's a real heavy
Speaker 1: burden you carry when you put someone on the air
Speaker 1: about what is going to be communicated to your audience.
Speaker 1: So in Jordan's how do you how do you balance
Speaker 1: that because you you do basically yeah, yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk. I've got on my nice warm jacket. Let's
Speaker 1: stand out here outside forever and ever and talk to
Speaker 1: these people like what what are you thinking when you
Speaker 1: go out? What is your objective? Because it clearly can't
Speaker 1: be to change their minds. Well, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Chris brings up a great point is that the difference
Speaker 1: between live TV and something you bring back and you edit,
Speaker 1: because it is true we we there there is stuff
Speaker 1: that is in the head that is that is hateful
Speaker 1: or misinformation that we feel we don't add context to
Speaker 1: in our responses, and that is something we feel responsibility
Speaker 1: towards if we put that out. So there's there's control
Speaker 1: in an edit, and we we take that all into account.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we we go to these events
Speaker 1: because one we want to know what are people actually
Speaker 1: talking about on the ground, what is getting through, specifically
Speaker 1: for Trump rallies, what is getting through from from on
Speaker 1: stage and what we hear in New York to the
Speaker 1: actual people out there, and what are we missing when
Speaker 1: we watch the news because you know, these these news hosts,
Speaker 1: they think they're so smart, they think they got their
Speaker 1: big Emmy Award winning shows, but until they get out there,
Speaker 1: they don't know what it's really like. That's right, But
Speaker 1: I mean our objective. We we go with questions what
Speaker 1: is seeped in? Where are people? What are they thinking? Uh?
Speaker 1: And we just go and we start to respond to that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Yeah, do do they
Speaker 1: recognize you? Do they know who you are? It varies.
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, it's growing, but there's there's still I
Speaker 1: will say, there's still a giant bubble. So more often
Speaker 1: than not, I go to a rally, and most people don't.
Speaker 1: They're immediately skeptical because there's a camera and so you're
Speaker 1: bad guy because you're a camera. But also they're making
Speaker 1: you as a member of the media, and that is
Speaker 1: enough in some ways to put them in a sort
Speaker 1: of somewhat skeptical place, but not specifically like this is
Speaker 1: his stick. He does this. He you know he's going
Speaker 1: to try to trap exactly they already have their opinion
Speaker 1: about the media. It's either something that stay away, these
Speaker 1: are the bad guys, or these are the bad guys.
Speaker 1: I'm going to win with them, and whether or not
Speaker 1: I'm on Trevor Show or not usually doesn't come into effect.
Speaker 1: Although then there is a person who's like, I've seen
Speaker 1: this guy's videos and we're at a We're at an event,
Speaker 1: a school board meeting, and a guy charged me because
Speaker 1: he was like, that's that guy. We have to have
Speaker 1: security come in and stop this guy, and there's an
Speaker 1: altercation there. So, like I think also they don't like
Speaker 1: to be made fun of. What I not January six,
Speaker 1: but two weeks with four hands the million Maga March,
Speaker 1: which was a beautiful march their number. But but what
Speaker 1: people don't want to understand there is there's probably thirty
Speaker 1: people there. But these are also poorly run events go figure,
Speaker 1: which means there's two stages that are sent a mile
Speaker 1: apart with thirty thousand people in between, and the sound
Speaker 1: systems they paid for can only you can only about
Speaker 1: two people can hear what's actually going on. So you
Speaker 1: have essentially people who are million about and when you're
Speaker 1: interviewing people and and perhaps the people are getting upset
Speaker 1: or somebody's like I think I know that guy. Well,
Speaker 1: then the two people who are watching become ten, become fifty,
Speaker 1: and it becomes dangerous there. So even if you're not
Speaker 1: immediately recognized, we have to be savvy because there is
Speaker 1: a there is a mob mentality when you have a camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's always something I find like a natural and end
Speaker 1: can sometimes be kind of foreboding about the role of
Speaker 1: camera plays in the crowd and what and what it
Speaker 1: does to help people behave around it independent of people's politics,
Speaker 1: you know, ideological commitments, just generally, I've I've had that experience. Well,
Speaker 1: and also it's they're dressing for it now, you know.
Speaker 1: The We make a lot of jokes about the the
Speaker 1: apparel at AMaGA rally, and what it's become so fascinating
Speaker 1: is people are going there to dress for being on camera,
Speaker 1: for being recognized by uh Donald Trump or other folks. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, so like they suddenly walk down an aisle
Speaker 1: which is essentially a dressing room and costume department. They
Speaker 1: pick out the the most uh the most extreme points
Speaker 1: of view that are you could fit onto a T shirt. Uh.
Speaker 1: They put them on and when we started noticing too,
Speaker 1: and then they're starting Then then they have to answer
Speaker 1: questions about the view that they just put on their chest,
Speaker 1: which some of them have that view, some of them
Speaker 1: have just adopted that view. And now this camera is
Speaker 1: starting to craft a narrative around that person who has
Speaker 1: this thing on their chest that they speak for that
Speaker 1: maybe they just wanted that attention, but they're already now
Speaker 1: creating this narrative, which is which is only grown in
Speaker 1: the last two years. Chris, there is definitely a lot
Speaker 1: of disagreeing on whether or not facts or factual. Therefore, journalism,
Speaker 1: when you report the facts, which is your job as
Speaker 1: a journalist, could be seen as an opinion. What say
Speaker 1: you to people who believe that people of your ilk
Speaker 1: and I'm talking just primetime news in general, are based
Speaker 1: in opinionated journalism and not factual journalism. Is there a
Speaker 1: way to unblur the lines where at least even if
Speaker 1: we don't agree on the solution, can we at least
Speaker 1: agree on what the facts are or it's just if
Speaker 1: you're an opinionated journalists, if that's what I am to you,
Speaker 1: that's just what it's got to be. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that's a that's such a deep question. It's hard
Speaker 1: to talk through it because I spent probably twenty years
Speaker 1: thinking about various versions of this, all the way back
Speaker 1: to being a philosophy major in undergrad and thinking about
Speaker 1: epistemology and how people form true beliefs. I mean, the
Speaker 1: way that I think about what I do is that
Speaker 1: I have a point of view and a perspective and
Speaker 1: a set of values that I have that I'm pretty
Speaker 1: transparent about. I really believe in democracy. I believe in equality, solidarity,
Speaker 1: rights and protections, the flourishing of people's lives, um. And
Speaker 1: I approached the news with those with those views. I'm
Speaker 1: on the left for sure. People know that, and that
Speaker 1: perspective dollars what I talked about and what I you know,
Speaker 1: what I don't talk about, and you know what I
Speaker 1: choose to to spotlight. We're really rigorous, so we put
Speaker 1: things that are true on our show. But the thing
Speaker 1: is that like truth is only I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different categories, right, So like you can
Speaker 1: communicate untruthful stuff or false and malicious stuff without ever
Speaker 1: telling a single factual lie. You know, then there's people
Speaker 1: who just lie, right, So like, oh, the the an
Speaker 1: Italian satellite hacked the voting machines to change votes. It's
Speaker 1: just like a lot, it's just like not a true statement,
Speaker 1: and it's a preposterously not that. But then you know,
Speaker 1: there's a period where Tucker Carlson was going around doing
Speaker 1: this thing where he was taking this open source vaccine
Speaker 1: reporting system where people could anyone could report an adverse
Speaker 1: event after a vaccine and saying, look, twelve people died
Speaker 1: after they got their vaccine, now or whatever the number was, Now,
Speaker 1: that's it was true. I mean, like you know, when
Speaker 1: you give two hundred million people shots, like some set
Speaker 1: of people are going to you know, get hit by
Speaker 1: a bus there there there, they have cancer and they
Speaker 1: came out like whatever it is. So you're not saying
Speaker 1: a lie, right, Like it is factually accurate that that
Speaker 1: a certain number of people died after they got their
Speaker 1: vaccine shot. When you go on air and you say
Speaker 1: it in that terms, you are implying a causal link
Speaker 1: there that says these vaccines are scary, they're killing killing
Speaker 1: people and not telling you about it. And so like
Speaker 1: that line between like what's fact, what's opinion, what's perspective,
Speaker 1: it is actually pretty complicated, you know, because like you
Speaker 1: can say a lot of true things. It's like here,
Speaker 1: here's here's my favorite example, like racist websites. Okay, like
Speaker 1: like really like that. Like if you go to like
Speaker 1: the world of like Stormfront and and by the way,
Speaker 1: which is like very adjacent to like a lot of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump stuff, and there are periods during different campaigns
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump would like tweet these out, Like you
Speaker 1: could run a website that only identifies examples of black
Speaker 1: man assaulting white people in a country of million and
Speaker 1: just make that all you show. And it could be
Speaker 1: the case that, like it is factually true that in
Speaker 1: each of those instances or each of the videos, what
Speaker 1: you're doing is running a white supremacist website, right, And
Speaker 1: you're running a white supremacist website without ever like telling
Speaker 1: a lie in some sort of like sense of like
Speaker 1: these are facts. I'm just showing you the facts of
Speaker 1: all the But that's that's like Nazi propaganda essentially, which
Speaker 1: by the way, they used to actually like run examples
Speaker 1: of Jews committing crimes. So it's like this question of
Speaker 1: what is what effective opinion. It's like the world contains
Speaker 1: so many facts that in some ways, what's more insidious
Speaker 1: than lies, and lies are insidious, we see with a
Speaker 1: big lie is which facts you choose to emphasize, which
Speaker 1: facts you choose to focus on, And so much destruction
Speaker 1: and so much um rune can happen based on which
Speaker 1: facts people choose to use their platforms For AMY Winner,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you tasted that that I could feel that
Speaker 1: EMY nomination just cracking inside of me. I'm like, after
Speaker 1: the break, I want to I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you all about where we're headed. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a new holiday. I don't know
Speaker 1: if our kids are gonna start getting Jan six out
Speaker 1: of school for their own safety. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: I am curious about where we go from here and
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Speaker 1: Built Ford Proud, Chris, what would you say is the
Speaker 1: big was the biggest failure in reporting as it relates
Speaker 1: to January six let's critique our media coworkers here. I
Speaker 1: would say that one thing that happened, and I think
Speaker 1: that I actually think it's been I think the reporting
Speaker 1: in the wake of it's been quite good. I think
Speaker 1: one misapprehension people had when watching it was that it
Speaker 1: was kind of goofy, and I think that was because
Speaker 1: of what the cameras were showing as opposed to what
Speaker 1: they weren't showing. So because you have cameras in the galleries,
Speaker 1: you know what you saw was like the shade the
Speaker 1: qu shaman comes in and he sits on the chair,
Speaker 1: and it all seems like stunty and weird. They're all
Speaker 1: like recording themselves and it's only later when you start
Speaker 1: to get the footage of like the cop who's being
Speaker 1: you know, pressed in the door, and and Michael Finan
Speaker 1: being dragged through, and the body camp footage and the
Speaker 1: assaults and like um and then the you know, Ashley
Speaker 1: Babbitt attempting to vault through that broken window and the
Speaker 1: gunshot that that that killed her. So I think there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a misapprehension the beginning. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably stuck with some people. In fact, some people,
Speaker 1: I think Tucker Carlson's one example, have tried to like
Speaker 1: keep that going, like, oh, isn't this a goofy funny,
Speaker 1: Like it's ridiculous to be scared of these people? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? So I think that's a misapprehension
Speaker 1: that was pretty prominent in the beginning, but I think
Speaker 1: has been I think it's been turned around. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think most Americans think what happened there was completely
Speaker 1: messed up. Like, I don't think it's a I don't
Speaker 1: think the problem with January six is that people don't
Speaker 1: get that it was bad um or you know. I
Speaker 1: just think that there's the bigger problem is this that
Speaker 1: fundamentally the Republican Party's an institution is radicalized against democracy
Speaker 1: and that they have that that there has been a
Speaker 1: slow the institutions of the country have been slow to
Speaker 1: recognize that, and they have faced no political price for
Speaker 1: it among voters. You've gone on record and saying that
Speaker 1: this should have been one of the craziest events in
Speaker 1: the last fifty years of history. The clapper, why do
Speaker 1: we care more about Kim Kardassian dating Pete Davidson? What
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the sheo? She wore the easies on
Speaker 1: the date? Come on, that's where your husband Jesus to
Speaker 1: go out. There's so many articles day in and day
Speaker 1: out of why why don't we see more outraged towards
Speaker 1: this thing or this thing. I do think there's there's
Speaker 1: an overrepresentation as to how many people are actually actually
Speaker 1: give a ship about democracy and not a a sense
Speaker 1: of like, oh, yeah, it's important, important, I'll say that
Speaker 1: to an interview or what have you, But like our
Speaker 1: interest in the political ramifications of what happens day in
Speaker 1: and day out. Most people I talked to there on
Speaker 1: January six again it's are there for the show and
Speaker 1: are there for the identity? And I don't think would
Speaker 1: even articulate seeing government as something that needs to play
Speaker 1: a role in helping them and or helping society. In fact,
Speaker 1: they've been outside of the whole political world for years
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until this new character came in who
Speaker 1: welcomed them in and they felt they could be a
Speaker 1: part of it. Uh. But again, it became about winning
Speaker 1: above uh, restoring democracy, creating a working government that could
Speaker 1: benefit people who are in need, protecting people, things of
Speaker 1: that nature like that actually was never an interest to
Speaker 1: a lot of the people we talked about. It really
Speaker 1: was just simply about the game of the gamification of
Speaker 1: the not only the election, but then what happened after that.
Speaker 1: And so so you're like, why, why why are Americans
Speaker 1: more interested in this and not focused on how democracy
Speaker 1: is crumbling? Because we were never interested in democracy as
Speaker 1: an idea. We were interested at democracy as a a
Speaker 1: bullet to put in a gun that we could shoot
Speaker 1: to win the contest of my team beat your team,
Speaker 1: and and and and That's where I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think Americans are that into politics. Uh. Politics
Speaker 1: is something to um uh uh to utilize government so
Speaker 1: that its role can can help you. Ultimately, that they're
Speaker 1: into games or like civic work, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that's that you know, it does UM. It
Speaker 1: is very identity based. And I also think, look, the
Speaker 1: attentional imperatives here, to your point, like are hard in
Speaker 1: a million different directions. I mean, people getting people's attention
Speaker 1: about anything, it's hard. I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we've never had more UM. There's never been more things
Speaker 1: tugging on our attention. There's never been things that we
Speaker 1: needed more focused attention on more UM. And here I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of the climate challenge, which is like quite literal,
Speaker 1: really the the largest challenge that humans have faced since
Speaker 1: we started civilization. Mother Nature bought some Instagram ants and
Speaker 1: was an infraence but continues. Sorry didn't. Those attentional questions
Speaker 1: are really hard. Ones are ones I struggle with too,
Speaker 1: UM and I don't know the answer to them. But
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of people that are
Speaker 1: paying a lot of very close attention UM. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of people who understand what UM, how serious
Speaker 1: things are UM. And I think, you know, in some ways,
Speaker 1: I think there's an argument made that you've never had
Speaker 1: more discussions about democracy itself as a sort of topic
Speaker 1: of conversation and in my political life, you know, where
Speaker 1: the issue about like are we going to maintain democracy?
Speaker 1: Are we going to strengthen democracy is like an actual
Speaker 1: topic of conversation that it wasn't really the case. I think,
Speaker 1: like ten or twelve or fifteen years ago. What could
Speaker 1: we expect when it comes to the future of democracy
Speaker 1: being at Because the thing that I find that's interesting
Speaker 1: now is that a lot of the people that stir
Speaker 1: at the pot in have been deep platformed. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the ways that these types of people can
Speaker 1: find each other and the hornet's nest can be stirred
Speaker 1: up is not the same. Trump is not on television
Speaker 1: as much, a lot of his cronies are not on
Speaker 1: television as much. So could they still mobilize like this? Again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the future holds. I know that Republicans have worked very
Speaker 1: hard to put people in positions to do and pull
Speaker 1: off what they were not able to do and pull off.
Speaker 1: Last time. You have the secretary of State being primary
Speaker 1: in Georgia. You've got the secretary of state election in
Speaker 1: Arizona with sort of like avowed adherence to the big
Speaker 1: lie pro coup forces. You've got a pro coup primary
Speaker 1: challenge the governor of Georgia. Right, all these people essentially,
Speaker 1: whether they're saying implicitly or in some cases explicitly saying
Speaker 1: like I will do what was not done before, which
Speaker 1: is deliver power into the hands of the candidate who
Speaker 1: lost because I don't recognize the legitimacy of the majority
Speaker 1: because they're not my people, right, So I really worry
Speaker 1: about that. And look at one level, like there's technical
Speaker 1: problems here about the way that the law works and
Speaker 1: who's administering elections, but there's sort of a deeper problem,
Speaker 1: Like I think about this old Yogi bearra line where
Speaker 1: he says, uh, you know, they should move first base
Speaker 1: closer to homes. There aren't so many close plays at first,
Speaker 1: which is like you can't like there's no so like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be close places at first wherever you put
Speaker 1: the base right. It's like if you have one of
Speaker 1: two major American coalitions mobilized against democracy with the belief
Speaker 1: that the other side is illegitimate by definition and cannot
Speaker 1: legitimately win. Whatever happens technically around election law like matters,
Speaker 1: but ultimately like the threat is that that's the deep threat,
Speaker 1: and that threat is there and growing, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know what it looks like how it plays out,
Speaker 1: but look, elections end when the loser acknowledges there over
Speaker 1: like as a function, as a as a functional matter.
Speaker 1: That's the definition of the end of an election. And
Speaker 1: that can't be if there's a side that will never
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, then that we're in totally different territory. So
Speaker 1: it sounds like we're fucking Jordan's I think that's cooler
Speaker 1: heads can prevail that it's gonna be all right. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cooler heads out there. You know,
Speaker 1: you talked to him all the time. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: send you some links. It'll put a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in humanity and our democracy. There are cooler heads out there.
Speaker 1: There are people who did the right thing last time.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people in America
Speaker 1: who have a deep, a deep patriotism and civic a
Speaker 1: sense of solemn civic duty who did the right thing
Speaker 1: the last time around. I hope they're there the next time.
Speaker 1: And I also hope that those people are having lots
Speaker 1: of sex and making more people just like them. So
Speaker 1: that my child as a decent world. And that's how
Speaker 1: we're gonna end this segment. You and most podcasts like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've I've heard you. You really go
Speaker 1: to that well a lot, right, Just ye, you're really
Speaker 1: wishing sex up to I'm just wishing lessons upon people.
Speaker 1: So um with that. Jordan Klepper and Chris Hayes and
Speaker 1: MSNBC all in with Chris Hayes. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: in m SNBC the podcast is why is this happening?
Speaker 1: Chris Hayes. One is an Emmy winner, one is an
Speaker 1: EMBI nominee soon to beat Inny Winner with all the
Speaker 1: hard work that he is doing out there on the streets.
Speaker 1: I wish you all a happy Do you think we're
Speaker 1: gonna have retail sales around the Resurrection? Would take that?
Speaker 1: That would be fine, I would I would take just maybe. Uh.
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