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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: So called Screaming Banshee is a female Suffolk law grad

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Speaker 2: who stinks oo of liquor, then mows down a victim dead,

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Speaker 2: and then calls the cop an effing idiot. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Daniel O'Neill of, a loved realtor for Massachusetts, is also

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Speaker 3: a self proclaimed foodie and moped enthusiast.

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Speaker 4: However, his life takes a tragic turn one feeful.

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Speaker 3: Night on the MIT campus.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's really correct.

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Speaker 2: His life takes a tragic turn light He had something

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Speaker 2: to do with it. This guy is beloved and he

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Speaker 2: belongs to a little moped group out mopeading around the

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Speaker 2: city when he meets his death, in other words, when

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Speaker 2: he meets the defendant Lauren Moans. Let me be the

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Speaker 2: one to introduce you to the so called Screaming Bansheet.

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Speaker 2: You'll see why.

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Speaker 5: Like to dreams.

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Speaker 6: It can smell on your breath.

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Speaker 1: You can't smell somebody's breath. You're what's your name? My name?

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Speaker 1: My name is Lauren. Your name is I have a

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Speaker 1: degree and I will destroy you.

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Speaker 6: Listen, you saw me.

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Speaker 7: On the streets.

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Speaker 8: Why are you running on the streets right now?

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Speaker 5: Right now?

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Speaker 9: You have annoyed because all you guys wearing strong like cologne.

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Speaker 2: Can I get that into evidence as a statement? It

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Speaker 2: was certainly voluntary, which is a requirement under the law

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Speaker 2: if the person doesn't have their Miranda rights.

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Speaker 1: Okay, whoa wait man? Who is this woman?

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Speaker 4: While Mullen seems to be a brilliant student, accepting several

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Speaker 4: internships with the Massachusetts House of Representatives, the thirty two

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Speaker 4: year old has a history of alcohol related arrest the

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Speaker 4: two most recent of the crash earning her the nickname

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Speaker 4: Screaming Banshee. Mullens has a rap sheet dating all the

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Speaker 4: way back to twenty fourteen, with seven arrests in the

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Speaker 4: last three years, the charges ranging from disorderly conduct to

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Speaker 4: aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to crime stories investigative reporter of Sydney Center,

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Speaker 2: why are you calling her brilliant?

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy can't be verified by her grades, but Lauren

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Speaker 10: Mullens has an extremely high end education. She's grown up

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Speaker 10: going to this prestigious boarding school. Now she's at Boston

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Speaker 10: University and then Suffolk College of law. She's graduated from

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Speaker 10: each of these with flying colors. She's been involved in

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Speaker 10: all of these societies for it.

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Speaker 11: Just stop.

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Speaker 1: Stop.

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Speaker 2: You just said you don't have her grades, but you

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Speaker 2: said flying colors smart to.

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Speaker 1: Get in law school. You don't have any idiots were

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Speaker 1: in law school with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they talking about? They didn't know

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Speaker 2: what they were talking about.

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Speaker 1: They somehow massed to Eeke and to law school.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying she's brilliant because she got some internships

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Speaker 2: at the Massachusetts House of Representatives. They were probably her

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Speaker 2: drinking buddy, Sydney. But that said, I think I know

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Speaker 2: somebody that agrees with you. Sidney Sumner was.

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Speaker 1: Crazy smarter than all you combined. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: Agreement's gonna be upset.

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Speaker 6: Rhymes.

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Speaker 10: Get your sands off me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I've got so much to show you, but

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see that one more time in

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Speaker 2: case you don't know. It means. It means I'm smarter

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Speaker 2: than all you combined. I have a lodge great whoa.

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Speaker 2: I got to hear that again.

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Speaker 4: Brodie was crazy smart than all you combined.

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Speaker 6: I have a lot agree.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be upset to day your fands off me. Yes, Sydney,

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying now, brilliant, brilliant.

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Speaker 2: You're the one that said that, you're the one brilliant,

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Speaker 2: brilliant student accepting several internships with the Massachusetts South of Rips.

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Speaker 1: You got anything else for me, Sydney? Did you hear her.

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Speaker 6: By value?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that?

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Speaker 10: Well? Nancy is clearly not evidenced by her behavior. It's

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Speaker 10: nuts that this woman goes from being this day to

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Speaker 10: day student, she just passed her bar, she's studying all

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Speaker 10: the time, working herself, putting herself through school, to this

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Speaker 10: to this whole horrible behavior screaming at crops. You are

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Speaker 10: just trying to help her.

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Speaker 2: As much as I'd love to keep listening and watching

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Speaker 2: Lauren Mullins, the brilliant law student, Sidney Summer keeps talking

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Speaker 2: a bartender, I'm sure that didn't help anything. I noticed

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Speaker 2: the dead victim?

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Speaker 5: It's unbelievable really that this happened to him and he

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Speaker 5: you know, he just he just didn't deserve that.

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Speaker 9: Has since learned at the beginning of this week that

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Speaker 9: on Sunday mister and Neils to come to his injuries

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Speaker 9: as a result of the crash.

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Speaker 10: At the hands of the defendant.

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Speaker 9: At this point, the Commonwealth is investigating this seat down,

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Speaker 9: no longer dresses and operating under the influence with serious

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Speaker 9: bottle injury. But also now that there's been a homicide,

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Speaker 9: the defendant is facing much more serious charges out of

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Speaker 9: the Superior Court with much more serious penelties.

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Speaker 2: The first lady you heard speaking about the dead victim

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Speaker 2: mode down mining his own business, didn't even know what

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Speaker 2: hit him, was from our friends at WHDH that victim

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Speaker 2: named Daniel O'Neill.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb, even though

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Speaker 2: you called Mullins brilliant and ask you, what can you

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Speaker 2: tell me about the victim. Wasn't he part of a

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Speaker 2: He's a senior, I know that, and he had a

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Speaker 2: he was part of this little group, a little moped group,

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Speaker 2: and they would drive their mopeds around the city of

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Speaker 2: that's what he was doing that night. Said, what else

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Speaker 2: can you tell me about Daniel Nancy?

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Speaker 10: Well, what we know about Daniel is that he doesn't

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Speaker 10: have any children of his own, but he has nine

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Speaker 10: siblings who all have their own children, and he's extremely

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Speaker 10: close with his many nieces and nephews. And yes, Daniel

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Speaker 10: lived in Boston for a lot of his life. He

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Speaker 10: moved there after graduating from college in Indiana, and he

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Speaker 10: was an extremely successful realtor in that area. Outside of work,

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Speaker 10: Daniel loved to travel and he loved to collect art

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Speaker 10: and try food. His family calls him a fouti. And yes,

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Speaker 10: this moped group was even mentioned in his obituary. This

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Speaker 10: is something that he committed a lot of time to

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Speaker 2: Joining me is an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what we're learning right now. But I want to

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Speaker 2: go out to longtime colleague and friend, defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: This is one of his.

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Speaker 2: Expertise, Jason Ocean, renowned New York defense attorney, also practices

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Speaker 2: in multiple jurisdictions. You know, Jason, do you know who

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Speaker 2: Daniel reminds me of? The Twins' math tutor? Really miss Williams. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Miss Williams had children. They're all grown up and living

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Speaker 2: in different areas of the country, but they love going

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Speaker 2: to Miss Williams. And I got to the point, Jason

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Speaker 2: that I described to you at some point you've got

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Speaker 2: children and grown now. I got tired of hiding in

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Speaker 2: get a pro And it's Miss Williams. And do you know, Jason,

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Speaker 2: that when we have a good supper, they go, let's

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Speaker 2: take son to Miss Williams tonight. They love Miss Williams.

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Speaker 2: She's like an auntie or a grandma to them.

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Speaker 1: They love her. I mean deeply, deeply.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of their grandparents have passed on

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Speaker 2: and they've latched on to Miss Williams. And that's the

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Speaker 2: way Daniel is with all of.

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Speaker 1: His nieces and nephews. They absolutely love him.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I know it's Daniel O'Neill, but I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking about Miss Willilliams out on her moped with her

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Speaker 2: little moped group getting mowed down by this POC technical

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Speaker 1: It's just what are you going to do with this

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Speaker 11: This Nancy, you and I both know that many, many cases,

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Speaker 11: most of them do get get sorted out in some ways.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you know, I hate it when you

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Speaker 2: say you know. First of all, you know, don't tell

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Speaker 2: me what I know, okay, because I know she should

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Speaker 2: get a life sentence instead of her having her liquor stinking.

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Speaker 1: Self out on bond. Right now, That's what I know.

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Speaker 1: Why somebody for her bond, but.

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Speaker 11: That she presumption is bond and the ability to return

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Speaker 11: to court. It's not prejudicial as to whether or not

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Speaker 11: the crime is committed or you know, we understand that

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Speaker 11: what bond works. But nonetheless she doesn't present well. Those

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Speaker 11: videos of her and and previous encounters with the law

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Speaker 11: certainly prejudicial.

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Speaker 1: Previous fuss why you just tell it like it is.

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Speaker 11: She's been busted, he has a criminal history. But you

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Speaker 11: and I both know prosecutor and defense that cases get

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Speaker 11: For some sort of uh sense worked out in advance.

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Speaker 11: As a defense attorney, I don't know that I want

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Speaker 11: the victims, certainly so valued a member of his family,

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Speaker 11: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: A I can oh.

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Speaker 2: You know, the great late Alexander Pope wrote a little knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Is a dangerous thing, and boy say that again.

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Speaker 2: She'll throw out a couple of legal phrases every once

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Speaker 2: in a while and let me debunk or debrief you on.

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Speaker 2: When Jason Ocean said that's why he wins so many cases,

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Speaker 2: he said, she's had several previous encounters with law enforcement. Translation,

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Speaker 2: this is the case it screams to be worked out.

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Speaker 2: In other words, he wants a cheap plea.

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Speaker 1: I can see him coming.

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Speaker 2: I could see you, Jason Oceans, when I was practicing law.

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Speaker 2: I could see one of the let's just say silk

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Speaker 2: stocking lawyers, which means the on a three thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: the hall with their designer briefcase with adul shine to it,

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Speaker 2: you know, not classless, but just barely gleaming, and they

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Speaker 2: would want to quote work it out. Okay, And no, guys,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about a woman, a law grad at

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Speaker 2: prestigious Suffolk University. I'm sure they're proud tonight has everything

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Speaker 1: But and listen to her.

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Speaker 9: Like two dreams, and they were like, you can't go

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Speaker 9: outside with that, like a little you need to get

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Speaker 9: that officers were unable to conduct a standardized field sobriety

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Speaker 9: test due to the defense for literate nature and behavior.

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Speaker 9: But they did not that she had blurred speech and

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Speaker 9: that she was extremely unsteady on her feet, and she

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Speaker 9: was belligerent throughout the entire arrest process.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Joining me In addition to Sidney Sumner, who calls the

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Speaker 2: defendant brilliant and Jayson notions veteran trial lawyer and multiple jurisdictions,

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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy is joining me for a reason. Former NYPD

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Speaker 2: detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Test Force, former chief security officer,

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Speaker 2: US Bank, co host of gold Shields, author of workplace Safety. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can go on and on, but Dan Murphy, enough

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Speaker 2: about your resume? Can I just want you to hear

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Speaker 2: something you heard the prosecutor stand up in court and.

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Speaker 1: This, this is, this hurts. She says.

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Speaker 2: The officers were unable to do a field sobriety test.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want.

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Speaker 2: That field sobriety test so I can then show it

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Speaker 2: and describe it to a jury.

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Speaker 1: But wait for it, Dan Murphy, I wonder.

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Speaker 2: Why they couldn't do a sobriety Listen, I want a lawyer.

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Speaker 6: I'm not talking to you.

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Speaker 10: I am not talking to you, absolutely none lawyer.

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Speaker 1: About I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can your monitor, Dan, But

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Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing, listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Listen awesome, I'm such a horn suspeg.

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Speaker 6: I am so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's the things. You guys are a train

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Speaker 8: And if you guys are scared of one hundred and

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Speaker 8: twenty five pound woman, yeah better.

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Speaker 6: You're a whole book, Laura.

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Speaker 1: You know where you are yet?

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I know where I am.

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Speaker 1: So I just said, yeah, shut the up. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So she's screaming, I want a lawyer. She refused to

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Speaker 2: take a breathalyzer. She's screaming, don't touch me. That's an assault.

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Speaker 2: I will sue you.

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Speaker 1: I'm smarter than all of you. I'm a law grat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what.

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Speaker 2: I would just put her and her bony rear end

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Speaker 1: That's where she needs to be.

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Speaker 2: They could do a BAC there, they could take her

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Speaker 2: blood there, have fun with that.

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Speaker 12: That's right, that's right. She's refusing to cooperate with any

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Speaker 12: blood will be the evidence against the plus this, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, Dan, you mean I can't prove

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah you can, but you can, absolutely, Yeah, But

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Speaker 12: there's always going to be some kind of defense that

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Speaker 12: she was on a medication that did this. But anybody

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Speaker 3: The MIT campus becomes the site of a harrowing accident

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Speaker 3: when Daniel O'Neill, while waiting at a red light on

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, that's the problem. It was not an accident.

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Speaker 2: It was a crash caused by the defendant's inebriation.

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Speaker 1: Drunk.

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Speaker 2: She smelled like liquor a mile away, and yet she

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Speaker 1: I would have put her in cuffs right the end.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, special guest, Kimberly Cockrel victim services manager, Mad

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Speaker 2: Mothers against drunk driving. Kimberly, this was not an accident.

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Speaker 2: I hate when people say it was an accident. It

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Speaker 2: was her decision to drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, one

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Speaker 1: And this guy, this beloved senior in.

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Speaker 2: His little moped group, was at a red light.

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Speaker 8: He was basically a fixed on This is not an accident.

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Speaker 8: These are never accidents, Nancy. These are crashes, They are collisions.

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Speaker 8: These are things that happened because people make choices. Daniel

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Speaker 10: He made a.

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Speaker 8: Choice to go out on his mopad, which is something

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Speaker 8: he normally does, and he broke no laws. He was

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Speaker 8: just going to do something he normally does. Unfortunately, it

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Speaker 8: looks like this woman was doing exactly what she normally

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Speaker 8: does as well. She was out, she was intoxicated, she

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Speaker 8: was under the influence, and she was behind the wheel

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Speaker 2: Jason Ocean is joining me veteran trial lawyer in this

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction and many others. This is one of his specialties.

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Speaker 2: Jason Ocean's just we go back a long way, So

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Speaker 2: take off your defense hat just for a moment. Have

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Speaker 2: you noticed that when a victim is killed by a

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Speaker 2: the defendant took out a knife and stabbed them in

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Speaker 1: Sidewalk, But the victim is still dead.

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Speaker 2: All of the family is still mourning, the friends in shock.

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Speaker 2: He was at a red light, completely still stopped when

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Speaker 1: Ended, just like that.

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Speaker 2: But it's true there are certain cases, and I don't

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Speaker 2: understand the differentiation, that are treated as less severe and

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Speaker 2: vehicular homicide is one duy homicide. Very often when the

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Speaker 1: What the baby.

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Speaker 2: Crying just drove the dad crazy, so we had to

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Speaker 2: kill it. No, No, this is one of those Why

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Speaker 11: You don't an It's a really good societal question that

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Speaker 11: involving a vehicle vehicular homicide recent tragedy in New York

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Speaker 11: over the weekend with two children killed in a driver

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Speaker 11: going fifty in a twenty five but not facing murder

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Speaker 11: egregiousness and the history of bad driving here the same thing.

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Speaker 11: We don't societally have enough strength in our state laws

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Speaker 11: chance of stronger vehicular homicide. And I think being alcohol

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Speaker 11: or lesser lesser length of conviction than they would As

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Speaker 11: you said with a.

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Speaker 2: You're actually making my teeth hurt. Isn't that a sign

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Speaker 2: of a heart attack?

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Speaker 1: Jason? Somehow you took my question and you mangled it

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Speaker 2: Back at me, and somehow you seem to be blaming

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Speaker 2: society for what this woman did.

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Speaker 1: M you said, it's a societal issue. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what that means. A societal had.

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Speaker 11: Enough state laws that strengthen these things.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you a little reality check, Oceans. What

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Speaker 2: is the max you can get on habitual violator homicide?

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Speaker 11: Twenty five life?

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Speaker 1: Did I hear the word life? Twenty yeah? Twenty five

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Speaker 2: You kind of went twenty five to life. Okay, there

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Speaker 2: you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Cockrel. Why

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Speaker 2: is habitual violator? That is a dui offender that's done

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Speaker 2: it over and over and over and meny jurisdiction. It

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Speaker 2: you're charged with HV habitual violator. She is a habitual

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Speaker 2: fourth ar Hey, Sydney, how many arrests has this woman had.

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Speaker 10: Been arrests in the last three years? Nancy?

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Speaker 1: Seven?

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Speaker 2: Oh, there we go, assault on l e. Jan twenty three,

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Speaker 2: disorderly conduct. I'm sure she was drunk October twenty four,

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Speaker 2: disorderly conduct twenty five, duy twenty five three times in

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Speaker 2: the last year to be an HB habitual violator. I

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Speaker 2: think you have more. You have to have more than three.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, let me drink this in for a moment.

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Speaker 1: You don't me you reason mere?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 3: So I'm in the same areaadio.

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Speaker 9: They I don't land.

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Speaker 6: Here's twenty twenty I just.

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Speaker 1: Moved here in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: So what are we even talking about?

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Speaker 10: Speaking off?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: We just showed sound of her drunken, abusive in front

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Speaker 1: What is that? Nancy?

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Speaker 10: That's January second of twenty twenty three. When Mullen's neighbors

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Speaker 10: constant issue going on between them and Mullens comes home

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Speaker 10: so drunk that she won't stop knocking on their door

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Speaker 10: and let this issue lie. So craps are called and

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Speaker 10: They realize she won't leave her neighbors alone might end

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Doctor John Delatori is joining US Psychologists.

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Speaker 2: Mediator specializes in forensic psychology, a psychological consultant to Project absence.

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Speaker 2: It's a nonprofit. You can find him at Doctor John Delatory,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory.

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Speaker 1: We were just showing her in her.

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Speaker 2: Apartment and the dichotomy was, let me just say jolting

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Nancy, and I want to be clear, she made

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Speaker 13: all of us watching her is the disastrous nature that

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Speaker 13: ten drinks, probably hard liquor. She probably believes that wine

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Speaker 13: takes people with her. She harms other people, and the

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Speaker 2: We're blurring that because she starts stripping off all of

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 2: But doctor Delatory, everything you said makes sense, except I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink like you.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to reconcile how she keeps everything

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Speaker 2: stacked up, it's perfectly arranged, nothing's out of place.

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Speaker 1: But her life is chaos.

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Speaker 13: The duality of alcoholism. Now, I'm not going to say

447
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Speaker 13: that it's a disease or anything like that. I'm just

448
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Speaker 13: saying that her issue is primarily related to the very

449
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 13: moment that she takes a drink.

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Speaker 10: Alcohol.

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Speaker 13: Anything else she can manage well. She is intelligent enough,

452
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Speaker 13: brilliant maybe to manage the normal personal affairs. But when

453
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Speaker 13: that alcoholism takes over, she becomes something else. She becomes

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Speaker 13: something much more dangerous, both to herself and to the

455
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Speaker 13: world around her. No one is safe when she starts drinking.

456
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Speaker 13: No one, and the only way that she can actually

457
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Speaker 13: live a healthy life is through abstinence, and she refuses

458
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Speaker 13: to do that.

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Speaker 3: Police arrest Lauren Mullins, a recent Suffolk law graduate, for

460
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Speaker 3: operating under the influence after her SUV slams into O'Neill's moped,

461
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Speaker 3: sending him careening into a nearby police vehicle.

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Speaker 2: What is he talking about operating under the influence. The

463
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Speaker 2: victim is dead. He flew through the air and died. Okay,

464
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Speaker 2: so this is upgraded to a homicide charge.

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Speaker 1: Now I want you to hear.

466
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Speaker 2: We've got so many arrests of her screaming at the

467
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Speaker 2: cops that bodycam.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for bodycam because.

469
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Speaker 2: Very often juries don't believe when officers describe what happened.

470
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: Now we actually have bodycam. Her rep sheet spans multiple states.

471
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Speaker 2: It includes assaulting officers, disorderly conduct, driving under the influence,

472
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Speaker 2: Kimberly Cockrell joining us from mad Mods.

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Speaker 1: Against drunk driving.

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Speaker 2: Unless you put a violator in locked down, either in

475
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Speaker 2: jail or a halfway house, they are not going to

476
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Speaker 2: go to rehab or they would have already done it.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, we have this problem all the time. This is

478
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 8: with almost every case I deal with. And what is

479
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 8: really sad about this it's her defense attorney and her

480
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 8: arraignment said that her issues are quote unquote curable, he said, curable.

481
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Speaker 8: I want to know at what point he determined that,

482
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Speaker 8: because her record goes all the way back to twenty fourteen,

483
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Speaker 8: that was maybe when he had a shot at that.

484
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Speaker 8: But the egregious behavior that she exhibits on these body cans,

485
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Speaker 8: that is something that this family, the family of Daniel O'Neill,

486
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Speaker 8: has to look at that and listen to that over

487
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Speaker 8: and over and over again, knowing that if it would

488
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Speaker 8: have been curable, and if she would have been stopped before,

489
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Speaker 8: Daniel O'Neill would still be here.

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Speaker 1: Speaking ah Moan's defense attorney here he is.

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Speaker 7: Should she get out? She can't drink anymore, ever, she

492
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 7: can't drive anymore for a very very long time, but

493
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Speaker 7: home confinement. This is not an eighteen year old gang kid.

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Speaker 7: And I suggest that even given the record that you

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Speaker 7: see before you, your honor, it is recent, it's not

496
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Speaker 7: a lifetime of it, and it is durable and mediable,

497
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Speaker 7: whether it takes years or every decades. Forgive them that,

498
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Speaker 7: your honner, I asked. The change has not been sufficient

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Speaker 7: to justify one hundred thousand dollars task real you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Jason Oceans. The judge typically has the full file

501
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Speaker 2: in front of her, him on the bench. In other words,

502
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Speaker 2: all the wrap sheet everything, and here you get the

503
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Speaker 2: defense attorney. Should she get out, which, by the way,

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Speaker 2: the judge allowed bell. Should she get out? She can't

505
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: drink anymore? Ever, Okay, her record starts at twenty fourteen.

506
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Speaker 1: We're going on, what is that?

507
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Speaker 2: That's eleven years she's been arrested over and over. It's curable.

508
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Speaker 2: That's not what Kimberly Cockle just says, and he wants

509
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Speaker 2: a bond.

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Speaker 11: I think he's phrasing in a way defense councils do

511
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Speaker 11: to portray his flying in the best light and establish

512
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Speaker 11: some basis that she'll return to court and that home

513
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 11: confinement to the ability not to drive will suffice in

514
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Speaker 11: terms of the ability for her to cause any more

515
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Speaker 11: harm to the community, which seems to be when she's

516
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 11: drinking and driving. So eliminating that in home confinement and

517
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Speaker 11: the promise that she'll return to cord for all of

518
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Speaker 11: her hearings and was sufficient for the judge to establish bail.

519
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Speaker 11: That's really all that the defense counsel did, just creating

520
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Speaker 11: that element there.

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Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, I don't even know what you just said.

522
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Speaker 2: Let's see the video of her in her home screaming

523
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: at the police home confinement, my rear end home confinement.

524
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Speaker 1: She was berating.

525
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Speaker 2: And that's not in her home. Oh, that's outside of

526
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Speaker 2: her home. There we go in front of the Christmas tree.

527
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, cops, you're about to get a big present.

528
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't hear her. There she is there, she is

529
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Speaker 2: in all her splendor and glory. You know, Dan Murphy

530
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Speaker 2: joining me, former NYPD detective sergeant co Host gold Shields.

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Speaker 2: The way she rips into these police officers, calling them,

532
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Speaker 2: telling them to suck her well, I'm going to get

533
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: bleeped d c K calling them the P word.

534
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Do I need to spell that for you?

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Speaker 10: Dan?

536
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 6: Just this?

537
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Speaker 2: If that threatening them, do they get paid enough for that?

538
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Really?

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00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 12: No, you simply don't get paid enough to put up

540
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Speaker 12: with this. And frankly, I've dealt with this so many times.

541
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Speaker 12: She is a blackout drunk. She does not remember what

542
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 12: she's saying. She won't remember this tomorrow morning when she

543
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 12: wakes up in a sell and never arrested people from

544
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Speaker 12: up to and including murder who did not remember what

545
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Speaker 12: they did.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad.

547
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Speaker 12: I don't care, Nancy.

548
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Speaker 1: I only don't care.

549
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Speaker 6: That's how bad she is.

550
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 12: Drunk, That's how bad she is. She's a threat to everybody.

551
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Speaker 2: You know who else I want to lock up tonight

552
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: the judge, Judge David Frank, Yeah, I'm talking about you.

553
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Speaker 1: Listen to this guy.

554
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Speaker 7: I am going to order that if the defender were

555
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 7: to be where to post the bail and be released,

556
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 7: but she'd be on a GPS with home confinement device,

557
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Speaker 7: and that she surrender her passleboard.

558
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh you showed her she's getting out on bond with

559
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: a GPS around her ankle. She'll cut that out in

560
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Speaker 2: a New York minute and surrender her passport. Really, Kimberly,

561
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Speaker 2: talkrel Can you help me out here? What is wrong

562
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Speaker 2: with this judge? How many people does she have to

563
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: mow down? How many cops does she have to assault?

564
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: How many cops does she have to insult? Before she

565
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Speaker 2: goes to jail?

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Speaker 8: Nancy, this is something I'd struggle with every day. With

567
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Speaker 8: my position, I have judges right and left, letting offenders

568
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Speaker 8: out we are successful sometimes and keeping them in until

569
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Speaker 8: they are scheduled to go, you know, before another judge

570
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Speaker 8: at that point for their trial or for their plea

571
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Speaker 8: and we've been successful in the past and keeping several

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Speaker 8: in for a couple of years because their crimes were

573
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Speaker 8: just that egregious and they had killed just that many people.

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Speaker 8: We had air in South Carolina where we lost three girls,

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Speaker 8: three out of four in the car. We were successful

576
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Speaker 8: in keeping that woman in prison, excuse me, in jail

577
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Speaker 8: until her prison term began. But it is few and

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Speaker 8: far between. The majority of these judges let them out

579
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 8: on bond and let me explain about house arrests. That's fine,

580
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 8: except for the fact that they don't always stay at home.

581
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Speaker 8: I've had one leave before and go out and get

582
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Speaker 8: another DUI while he was on house arrest. These people

583
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Speaker 8: don't care. They care about themselves. And when she broke

584
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Speaker 8: down in the courtroom crying before well, she has to

585
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 8: lift out her the fact that she's a budding attorney

586
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Speaker 8: and that she sat for the sat for her her

587
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 8: law degree so that she could become an attorney. She

588
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 8: brings that out before she anything's even mentioned about the

589
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Speaker 8: victim in that arraignment. She wants to get her law

590
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Speaker 8: degree out there because that's privilege, thinking that's going to

591
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 8: make the judge care about her more. The judge shouldn't

592
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 8: care about her at that point. Give her due process,

593
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Speaker 8: but care more about the victim.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 8: If you never let.

596
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Speaker 10: Me Annie, or you'll never win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: For either?

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Speaker 8: Are you any rims? I am the wife of an

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Speaker 8: NFL player.

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Speaker 10: Yo.

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Speaker 12: You anything? Relax?

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00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: She just called the cops fing p word.

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Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, Doctor Todd Barr, I'm just a JD again.

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Speaker 2: You're the MD. Doctor Todd Barr, joining US Special Guest

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Speaker 2: Board certified Anatomic Clinical forensic pathologist, Franklin County Forensic Science Center,

606
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Office of the Coroner in Columbus, Ohio. Featured in Thin

607
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: Places Essays from in between. Doctor Barr helped me. They

608
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: could never get a blood alcohol on her because she

609
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: was so volatile. And we hear her saying, I'm the

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Speaker 2: wife of an NFL player.

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Speaker 1: You're never going to win the super Bowl. Now, this

612
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: is just.

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00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Before the Philly Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl, so she clearly

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Speaker 2: knows the date.

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Speaker 1: Well, what time of the year it is?

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Speaker 2: You know, when I, for instance, had a child victim

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Speaker 2: on this and they did not know when the incident occurred,

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Speaker 2: I'd say, what was the Christmas tree?

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Speaker 6: Up?

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00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: Was the Easter Bundy coming was Halloween? Did you have

621
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: a Halloween outfit? So we could narrow down the date.

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Speaker 2: She knows when it is You're never going to win

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Speaker 2: a Super.

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Speaker 1: Bowl if you don't let me out. I'm the wife

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Speaker 1: of an NFL player. That's before she calls the cops.

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Speaker 1: Fing piece.

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00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so how drunk is she? Doctor Burr, I don't

628
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Speaker 2: have a blood alcohol for you.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a very difficult question to ask an answer

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Speaker 6: because certain people. When I was in medical school and

631
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Speaker 6: rotated through the emergency department, we had a woman that

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00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 6: came in and her blood alcohol was point four or

633
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Speaker 6: five and she was walking and talking like a normal person.

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Speaker 6: So that shows you that it's quite variable. Someone that

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Speaker 6: doesn't drink and is a lightweight could have this type

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Speaker 6: of behavior with a point one point five or a

637
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 6: point two alcohol BAC. But people who binge drink, and

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 6: this woman probably has done, develops a certain level of

639
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: tolerance over the years, and that's why over the years

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 6: we can see them actually reach much higher blood alcohol

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00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: contents like point three point four. But the fact that

642
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 6: this woman was in the commission of a crime. She

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00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 6: was driving under the influence, which is a felony crime

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00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 6: in most states, and particularly when injuries occur, as it

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00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 6: did in this case, and then ultimately the gentleman passed

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 6: a day or two later. And so it is unfortunate

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Speaker 6: that they don't have a BAC on this woman for

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00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 6: any of her offenses. But I would say she's pretty

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00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 6: high up there, Doctor Todd.

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Speaker 2: Barr joining us out of Ohio, Dodgor Barr. The legal

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Speaker 2: limit in that jurisdiction in Massachusetts point zero eight.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Let's just go with five to five and one hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds. How do you how much do

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Speaker 2: you have to drink to point b point zero eight.

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Speaker 6: And a woman one hundred and twenty five pounds, probably

657
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Speaker 6: about two drinks will get you to that limit.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in what you said, doctor Barr, about how

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Speaker 2: when you were in med school you had a woman

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Speaker 2: that was point four or five, I think you said,

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Speaker 2: and she was walking and talking. I assume you mean coherently.

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Speaker 6: Yes, fairly coherently.

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Speaker 1: I like this correct.

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Speaker 6: I agree with Whoevers earlier about blacking out. I believe

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Speaker 6: she was so inebriated that she just doesn't even have

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Speaker 6: a concept of where she is or what she's doing.

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Speaker 2: That's not a She certainly knows enough to throw around

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Speaker 2: legal jargon.

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Speaker 14: Lawsuit, a law grad I'm smarter than you. You enticed

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Speaker 14: me that. She goes on and on and on throwing

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Speaker 14: out legalisms. So she obviously knows something. She knows that

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Speaker 14: the super Bowl is about to happen. She knows to

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Speaker 14: threaten the cops. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Now this may be anecdotal, not based on any statistical study,

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Speaker 2: but doctor Barr, how much do you have to drink

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Speaker 2: to your skin actually stinks of.

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Speaker 6: Alcol Usually people that you know consume one or two beverages,

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Speaker 6: they're not going to be reeking of alcohol. You know,

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Speaker 6: once you get into that, you're starting to do shots,

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Speaker 6: and you know the pores are just exuding the We

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Speaker 6: noticed this that autopsy. To be honest with you, when

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Speaker 6: we have a decedent that has consumed a large quantity

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Speaker 6: of alcohol, when we're doing an autopsy, we can smell

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Speaker 6: it seeping out of the skin at the autopsy table.

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Speaker 2: Dodger Barr question. I've had a lot of witnesses. I'll say,

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Speaker 2: have you been drinking? Because I don't want to put

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Speaker 2: somebody drunk on the stand, and they go no, and

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Speaker 2: I like, I'm smelling your breath, and I would get

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Speaker 2: close to them, and their breath didn't smell of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: It was their skin. They actually used the smell of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: And you just told me you've cut some people open

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Speaker 2: before on autopsy and it just like like a fine wine.

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Speaker 1: You could just smell the booze. I got to hear this.

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Speaker 6: Well, clearly they're not breathing right because they're on an

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Speaker 6: autopsy table, so there's no air exchange. We're not getting

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Speaker 6: it from them expelling air into the room. It's actually

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Speaker 6: oozing out of all of their pores. And these volatile

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Speaker 6: gases that are involved in alcohol they do, they vaporize

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Speaker 6: and they go out into the environment and they come

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Speaker 6: out through the pores.

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Speaker 2: I just want you to hear her. Everyone's talking about

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Speaker 2: she's black.

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Speaker 6: To ask.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what she's doing here. She's threatening a lawsuit.

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Speaker 12: No, that's not.

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Speaker 1: The body camp, it's not light up. Oh wow, that's

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Speaker 1: another law.

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Speaker 2: Suit coming, she says, that's another lawsuit coming, and it

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Speaker 2: ain't over yet.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Oh please, that's another look. Oh please, I can't

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Speaker 1: leave love that of our dam. That's another loss.

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Speaker 13: You's coming that's another loss to come in.

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Speaker 1: That's another line. Do coming you take it so funny?

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Speaker 6: That's all you do?

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Speaker 1: Why so long as Easy did not move? Because you're

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Speaker 1: moving around.

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Speaker 7: It's easy.

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Speaker 10: They say it was me easy without somebody that going

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Speaker 10: into that.

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Speaker 1: She did pass the bar exam.

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Speaker 2: As doctor Delatory explained earlier, I don't know how to

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Speaker 2: explain the dichotomy in her, but I.

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Speaker 1: Do know this.

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Speaker 2: The victim is dead, flew through the air to his death,

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Speaker 2: and the judge granted bond. And that's okay. If you

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Speaker 2: know or think you know anything about this case. The

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Speaker 2: state is still putting together their case. Please dial six

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Speaker 2: one seven three four nine thirty three hundred. Repeat six one, seven,

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Speaker 2: three four nine thirty three hundred.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,