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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school Queens Forever. We'll take you for a ride

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Speaker 1: But you're tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens Okay,

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Speaker 1: Season four, Episode nineteen, Ashes of Dreams, You Let Die.

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Speaker 1: We're back to the depressing titles. Air dates May thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Nathan and Haley grow closer in

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Speaker 1: spite of the recent scandal due to Haley's totally unreasonable reasonableness,

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Speaker 1: and Brooke wonders if a spark might be rekindled with Chase.

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Speaker 1: Peyton receives a tempting offer that would ultimately take her

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Speaker 1: away from Tree Hill. Mouth reconnects with Gigi, while Lucas

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Speaker 1: at school regarding Jimmy, and while Lucas tells Karen that

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Speaker 1: Dan is a murderer. It sets off an explosive series

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Speaker 1: do we even start that Dan and Karen kissing at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, just it was like the episode came on,

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Speaker 1: But also they're making out in Lucas's room, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lucas and Karen watched him restrain himself right, Like, in

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Speaker 1: Because the three of us have talked so much about this,

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Speaker 1: and it's really interesting. While that's not the specific conversation

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Speaker 1: But Jimmy's not a kid who decided he was an

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Speaker 1: and troubled, and you know, like, where where is the

426
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: line for that? And again I'm not trying to ask

427
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: for an answer. If you have one, great, I don't

428
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: have one. I just think it's interesting to think about

429
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: those things and to be intentional about the thought process

430
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: of those things. Well, and it's a good question for

431
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: us to be asking, like to interrogate ourselves. Yeah. And

432
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: when it's something our show does really well is empathy

433
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: and forgiveness, Like that's that That to me is a

434
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: really radical form of forgiveness. The what mouth did, it's

435
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: outrageous and when you put it in a context. I

436
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: read this article. It was a father who did this

437
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: big interview about how his son moved back in with

438
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: him and his wife and his son got sucked into

439
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: that Q and on world. Yeah, and he was like,

440
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: my kid, I don't know who he is anymore. He's

441
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: violent and he's angry, and he's scary and he's combative.

442
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: But I know my kid is in there. I know

443
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: my kid is in this person. And he can tell

444
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: you because it happened to his son in his early twenties.

445
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: He can see where his son changed. And so to

446
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: your point, I wonder how we can figure out, like,

447
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: is it possible to put a line in the timeline

448
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: of a human and mourn who they were before they

449
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: were indoctrinated or radicalized or whatever. And I imagine how

450
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: could there not be for the people in their lives.

451
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: And to your point, again, Peyton was shot. Jimmy isn't faultless,

452
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: but he didn't murder Keith. And I think when you're

453
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: the viewer and you know people, you're willing to breathe

454
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: some room into their life in a way that is

455
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: harder now when everything's like two hundred characters on the

456
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: internet and you see a headline and you know, or

457
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: when you don't know someone, you didn't grow up with them,

458
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: you don't have them maras with them. I also think

459
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: that redemption, healing, healing from trauma, that's a community project.

460
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: I think so many people struggle and fall apart when

461
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: they're isolated, when they're alone. We evolved in groups, we

462
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: evolved in villages like we need each other. And the

463
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: isolation part of how people become radicalized, part of how

464
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: these school shooters become who they are is they're isolated

465
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and they're vulnerable. Yeah, that's any cult anywhere exactly. And

466
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: while I don't have I don't know anyone who has

467
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: been in my life and then been the cause of

468
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: someone's death. Some of the most powerful and profound experiences

469
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I have had in my life are sitting in maximum

470
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: security prisons with anti recidivism coalition and having some of

471
00:27:53,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: the most empathetic, emotionally intelligent, vulnerable, and like charged exchanges

472
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: and experiences with men who have killed people and who

473
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: in prison have had finally access to trauma therapy, to

474
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: group therapy, to group hearing projects, and who have understanding

475
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: of what they went through as kids and how they

476
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: became the people that they were, and how they were

477
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: in the wrong place at the wrong time with the

478
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: wrong information, and who have such immense passion for healing

479
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: work for other people because they know what it's meant

480
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: for them, and they have friends who have not had

481
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: access to it, and it's about the access and the

482
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: privilege to the access. And I the first time I

483
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: was in one of those environments was when I was

484
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: deeply in process of my own post traumatic stress. I

485
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: really struggled to be in rooms filled with men like that,

486
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, I've just had one of

487
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: the most profoundly healing experiences for myself as a woman

488
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: in this group and this man James, who I will

489
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: never forget, who was you know, six five and probably

490
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: weighed three hundred and fifty maybe four hundred pounds when

491
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: I thanked him in this group conversation for offering that

492
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: to me. Started to weep and said, my whole life,

493
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: I've only been told that because of my size and

494
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: because of the way I look, I was a weapon

495
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: and that I could make this tiny little woman who

496
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know an hour ago feel Safehi is my life.

497
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: And like we just sat and cried together and held

498
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: each other, and I was like, I wouldn't have known

499
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: this about any of you had I not been here

500
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: to witness you. But I don't think anybody can heal

501
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: or anybody can be redeemed if they don't have access

502
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: to a community that gives you another option. And that's

503
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: where I think we struggle as a society. How do

504
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: we create new systems, How do we show up for

505
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: people better? It's part of you know, to take it

506
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: all the way back. It's part of what you're doing

507
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: with your show Hill. It's like if you create another doorway,

508
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: and imagine what happens when there's a door number four

509
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: to walk through and all you've ever had your whole

510
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: life for the first three I mean what you're describing

511
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: is exactly what this episode does. Everybody else is healing

512
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: and community and is teaming up in different ways. You

513
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: finally see Brooke and Peyton together again, You see Nathan

514
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: and Haley together again, You see Mouth and Gigi together again.

515
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: And Lucas is on his own, and he is the

516
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: one who ends the episode with a fucking gun, Like

517
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: that's insane. You're so smart, Hillary, way to bring it

518
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: back around. That's right, that's exactly right, our executive producer, Gal.

519
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: He's by himself, and that makes you act a rational

520
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: don't do that? Yeah. Yeah, if he had talked to

521
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the girls, any of the girls, Haley, Brook, Peyton, his brother,

522
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: if he talked to anybody, Yeah, he would not have

523
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: ended up with that gun in his hand. Yes. And

524
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: you know what, you're reminding me of something, Joy, When

525
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: you guys did that scene together, when nobody knows where

526
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: Lucas is and then suddenly cool with you in the

527
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: hall and you give him the yearbook and he's acting

528
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: like everything's okay, it made me so uncomfortable. I felt

529
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: the same way. So why is he being so normal.

530
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: It's abnormal. Yeah, he's acting like there's nothing wrong, everything's

531
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: totally fine. It was creepy. Yeah, but that's why, because

532
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: he because that's what happens when you isolate, you you

533
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: mask and you pretend like everything's normal, everything's fine. Mm, well,

534
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: this is dredging up some major things for us. Yeah, guys, guys,

535
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: dark darkness, Oh you know it's not dark. Pay Bermuda shorts,

536
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: dumb little Bermuda shorts. Wait, no, you were wearing jets too.

537
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: We escaped the curse of the Bermuda short? Did it was?

538
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, you guys, I talked about this

539
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: with the girls when we were watching the Amazone. Not

540
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: only am I wearing tight little black Bermuda shorts with heels,

541
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: but that blouse that they gave me was obviously too

542
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: small for me. Like it. They covered my chest and

543
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the buttons closed on the sleeves on

544
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: my arms, so they just cut them off, so the

545
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: little arm sleeves are just flapping around. It was a

546
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: cute little Victorian top. The important part was the part

547
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: we were all looking at. The bosom was on points.

548
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is out of control and you talked

549
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: about this recently, like we gotten to this place where

550
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: they were giving everyone a color, like couples of color.

551
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: So for whatever reason, I had to wear like plum

552
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: you would chase were burgundy. They were like, we know

553
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: you don't have we don't have the shirt in your size,

554
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: but you're gonna wear it, and we'll just cut the

555
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: sleeves open to make space for your arms. Pants so

556
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: badly want to be cigarette pants, but they just can't.

557
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Please don't go all the way down. It's like they're

558
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: almost Audrey Hepburn, but they're the Bahamas in the eighties.

559
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, where did we even find those things?

560
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: Back then? Was it everything? Banana Republic? It was trendy.

561
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: That's why it was very trendy. It was the limited too,

562
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: which if you're reading the cut is back. Oh. The

563
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: journalists that are our age are like, please, no, don't

564
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: bring the bedazzled like rhinestone limited two ties back. Don't

565
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: do it. And the kids are doing it. They're doing it.

566
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I am not. I'll send you

567
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: an article. I will say my outfit aside, I had

568
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: such a you know, sometimes we'll talk about how you

569
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: have a visceral sense memory. You watch a scene, you go,

570
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, I remember this they I remember feeling

571
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: so just like, oh about the way they put work

572
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: through the ringer in the Brook Nathan Haley storyline with

573
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Peyton and the tape and the thing, and I just

574
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: didn't like it. It made me feel uncomfortable. I like this,

575
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: she won't even she calls it, and the thing, she

576
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: won't even say sex tape. She's just like, and you

577
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: know that that little tiny thing that happened, the thing

578
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: would sooner die. I don't want to talk about it,

579
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't know. Yes, we do our

580
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: jobs as actors and we play what's on the page,

581
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean we're comfortable with it. No. It

582
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: was so cringing, it was so iggy, and I don't know,

583
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: there was just something watching these scenes talking about the

584
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: yearbook and what was going to go in the yearbook

585
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: and who has feelings for who? And you know, bringing

586
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: you the two index cards but like my options for

587
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: the for the yearbook inscriptions, it just made me feel

588
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: this like sweet, like just warm chested feeling of nostalgia

589
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: of like, oh, it's so sweet. It's sweet to just

590
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: flirt and wonder and kind of go there and say

591
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: I really have feelings for you, but then sort of

592
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: pull back and see if they respond. I just loved it.

593
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they're writing, like pouring your heart out

594
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: in his yearbook and then having him only write you

595
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: it said, that's such a boy in high school thing

596
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: to do. Oh how many times did I have moments

597
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, call me, please call me over the summer,

598
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Please please call me, call me. Here's my number. I

599
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: just remember filming those scenes and like they'd end and

600
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I could feel that, like my face was flush, and

601
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, this is real, Like this

602
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: is real girl giddiness and it felt really nice, you know.

603
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Again going through the you know, the teen drama, ringer

604
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: to like give Brook just a little moment of like

605
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: sweet giddy fun because the way the chase looks at

606
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: Brooke is it's it's innocent. He's not lecherous at all.

607
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: He's like he's got a baby face, you know, like

608
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: he is not trying to get in her pants. He

609
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: is trying to make out. He wants to connect. Yeah,

610
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: he really wants to make sure he's not going to

611
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: get hurt again. Do we have a drinking tally on

612
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: like how many times Chase says I got her really bad.

613
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: I loved your commentary when he when he answered your

614
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Brooks question about why did you leave? Why did you join?

615
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: What did it because it leave or join? When Brooks

616
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: are like, like, why Chase leave Clean Teens? And He's like,

617
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: I just I didn't want girls to keep chasing me.

618
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: They just all these girls have to beat him off

619
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: with a stick. And if I if I said it

620
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: was a virgin, they just leave me alone. I think

621
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't cool and they wouldn't try to use me

622
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: for my body. His excuse for joining Clean Teens was

623
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: that the girl wouldn't leave him alone. Yeah, he was

624
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: just too hot. I was too hot. I gotta go

625
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: join this weirdo club, the chicks. There's a flaw, come on,

626
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: But I love this. I do. This is the first

627
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: time I have to say that I've actually noticed and

628
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: like liked Chase for no other reason, Like not because

629
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think I just was focused on other storylines.

630
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: And I know COLLETTI was with us for a while

631
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and I guess I just kind of brushed over it.

632
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: But in this episode I was like, oh, you know what,

633
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: he is really sweet. He's not like a Felix or

634
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: like any of these even Lucas who was always so

635
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: confused and conflicted. He's just so sweet and sincere. And

636
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: I love that for Brooke. Wait wait, wait, because when

637
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: you were like I've always not noticed him, I'm like

638
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: dull because Haley has Nathan. Do you feel like do

639
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: we think I've literally never thought this until this mot

640
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Forgive me. I'm trying to find the words. Are you

641
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: responding our girls responding in this episode to Chase beginning

642
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: to like give a little bit of the Nathan vibe,

643
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Like just a good guy who wants to learn for

644
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the right girl. Is that what that is? It's gotta

645
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: be because that's what every girl says. I mean most

646
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: girls in high school anyway. That's what they want, all right.

647
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: If you're not looking for a guy with a motorcycle,

648
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: well cut me out of that. I'm in a garage

649
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: right now with like six motorcycles part next to me.

650
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: What we did say while we were watching the episode

651
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: is like the boys are working overtime in this episode.

652
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: They're all as senior year is ending, saying the right thing,

653
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and so if that's just so kids at home learn

654
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: how to articulate like, yes, I'm happy for you. You

655
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: deserve this nice thing. Yeah, the way Lucas does that

656
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: for you. I loved that you and you said it.

657
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: He says every right thing, that's it. It's not that hard.

658
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Don't be selfish, don't freak out guys. As a viewer,

659
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: like not as Hillary Burton who participated in this show,

660
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: but as a viewer who has not watched this since

661
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: probably it originally aired, if I even watched it, then

662
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: that was the most attractive Lucas has ever been to

663
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: me because he sounded like my husband, yeah, and like that.

664
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: It was what he said was so like you're gonna

665
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: go kick ass and I'm not going anywhere, so go

666
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: like make the world yours. It was so firm, there

667
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: was nothing like passive aggressive about it. I'd loved. I

668
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: loved Chad's delivery. I loved it was just clean in

669
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: a way that I think teenagers can be really confusing

670
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: to one another, Like you can say like, yeah, you

671
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: should go do that thing, and it's like but that,

672
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: but you didn't mean that, did you. Yeah? I absolutely

673
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: believed Lucas. Yeah, yeah, and I loved it, even though

674
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: he was going through all of that. Maybe it was

675
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: because he was dealing with something so huge. I'm glad

676
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: he didn't compound the issue and suddenly make it more

677
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: about him. He really was just solely focused on his

678
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: mom and this catastrophic new information. Um So I liked that.

679
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: I like that he just was able to put himself

680
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: aside and give you what you needed. I mean, he

681
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: was doing a different TV showed this episode, you know,

682
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: like with Brook, We're going to party, You're gonna have

683
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: the best summer ever, getting tanned, and he's like doing crazy,

684
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: he's doing training. I'm realizing as you as you say

685
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: that as a viewer who has watched the Nathan and

686
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: Haley dynamic and watched the Peyton and Lucas dynamic, it's

687
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: almost like and yes, Chris Keller was conflated in Haley's dream,

688
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: But as viewers were getting to see Luke say to

689
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Peyton what we kind of wished Nathan had said to Haley,

690
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: like go I'll be here. You know, he came, he came,

691
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: he drove to the show, and then you went on

692
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: stage and then he was gone, like and we were

693
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: all so like, no, do it, stay with her. She's

694
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: your person. And so I wonder if there's also a

695
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: little bit of this idea that these boys are learning

696
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: lessons because you said it, Joy, like, this really is

697
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: an episode about these boys and what they're going through

698
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: their dad, you know, being the puppet master. Like, I

699
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: wonder if part of the reason it feels so special

700
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: because yes, Peyton deserves it, and for us as viewers,

701
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: were like, finally one of the boys did it right,

702
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, dude, Yeah he said all the right things. Yeah,

703
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: that's growth it is. It is because Lucas before would

704
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: have been like, I don't know, I don't know. I'm

705
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: going to need some time alone to think about We've

706
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: been kind of needy. So yeah, yeah it was nice.

707
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: But again, you know, he was a little distracted with

708
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: you know, the whole murder of his uncle. I just

709
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: like what he had to jump between in this episode

710
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: was I loved his last scene though, just I mean,

711
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: as an actor, wow, he did a good job. He

712
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: did such a good job. I felt worried. I'm still

713
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: worried for Dan because we don't know what happened. You know,

714
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like didn't well, it's like you

715
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: don't think Lucas has it in him, do you know

716
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, there's no way that little

717
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: punk kid would shoot his dad. You know, we've seen

718
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Dan strangle him, We've seen Dan assault multiple people. We

719
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: saw Dan hit him in the face at the beginning

720
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: of the episode. And so how far can you push

721
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: this kid? We oh, yeah, we've seen Dan kill his uncle.

722
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: How far do you push this kid? Yeah? God, I

723
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: can't believe this wasn't our like season finale, you know

724
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. Definitely feels like a season finale. It's

725
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: weird that we're just like left in limbo. We'll get

726
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: there next week. Yeah, but this season was bananas, Like,

727
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: really think about it. It became so violent this year

728
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: in a way that I don't think it was in

729
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: years past what was happening in pop culture that was

730
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: so violent that they were like, you know what, we

731
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: need guns. I think we were just I think we

732
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: were just constantly under the shadow of or the fear,

733
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the word is. We were

734
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: under the pressure to perform in the same way as

735
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: like Gossip Girl and The OC and all these shows

736
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: that were in the Vampire Diaries and the stuff that

737
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: was like really heightened. I think that was it, right,

738
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: that has to be it. At least those guys had

739
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: like supernatural elements to their show, you know what I mean, Like, Yeah,

740
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: ours is crazy violence in a small town with like

741
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean the city. Yeah. Our producer is texting us

742
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: in our chat that the Virginia Tech shoot was in

743
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: April two thousand and seven. I mean that was after

744
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: we shot this though, guys in season three, I thought

745
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: the school shooting episode was our one and done with

746
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: like the crazy gun stuff, and it just keeps going. Yeah,

747
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be like a commentary

748
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: on something that happened. We didn't know what was going

749
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: to happen and ramp up in the way that it did.

750
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: But but you're right. I almost feel like, because some

751
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: of the supernatural shows and then some of the more

752
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: intensely pushing the line shows, we're going so crazy, the

753
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: folks behind the scenes on our show felt like we

754
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: had to keep up. That's what I was trying to say. Yes, right,

755
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: and like we do what we do really well, and

756
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: I think luckily, by you know, four years into doing this,

757
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: we're established enough that we know how to perform around

758
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: these weird you know, it's like they've taken the hula hoops,

759
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: were jumping through and set them on fire. Were figuring

760
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: it out, but it's like it's on fire. It's really

761
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: it's so very intense, and I am curious. I mean,

762
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: I will admit, and I don't know if you guys

763
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: felt this way, but when we were watching, you know,

764
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: it's so bizarre that Lucas gets a gun from Deb

765
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: and thank God for Barbara Allen Woods just committing to

766
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: add of nowhere, Deb's Deb's lupie and she's got a gun,

767
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: like nobody knows why that's happening. Yeah, yeah, wasn't a hawalapinmal?

768
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I just I also

769
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: liked that they put two cookie jars on the counter. Yeah,

770
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: how did he know which one to go in? Why

771
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: wasn't it the bumpkin? But well they staggered between all

772
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: the lamps, probably, but I think there was a lamp

773
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: next to the pumpkin. But truly, it's like, it's so weird.

774
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Think God, Barbara committed. But yeah, it's just this wild

775
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: thing that they make him do. But in that scene,

776
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: I thought, well, here's this teenage boy, and he's having

777
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: this really intense moment and he knows what happened and

778
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: nobody's listening. Panic is ensuing. Fine, I did not remember

779
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: that he pulled the trigger? You guys? I didn't same?

780
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like like I legitimately have no idea what

781
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: we're going to see next episode? Did he miss did

782
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: he shoot the wall? Like? What happened? Like, guys, can

783
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: people at home tell us if you? I mean, I

784
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: guess if you've seen the show multiple times, you remember,

785
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: But guys, I don't know what the show is right now.

786
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: It's also like, either way it's going to be because

787
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: if he if he shoots Dan, then there's all kinds

788
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: of repercussions. But if he misses at such close range,

789
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: he's really terrible shot. Join he's gonna be embarrassed. Shame, shame.

790
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: But okay. So here's the thing though, with all the crazy, crazy,

791
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: crazy stuff in this episode, I think what our leadership

792
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: was forgetting is that the best scenes the quiet ones

793
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: and then nice ones. And it was the scene where

794
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Mouth took the yearbook to Jimmy Edwards. Mom, that is

795
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: where was her? Emmy? Like that was so beautiful and

796
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: nuanced and all of us started crying, we should write

797
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: her a note on Drama Queens stationary to tell her

798
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: how much we appreciate that performance. Yeah yeah, but wait,

799
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: you guys, yes, we need to get her on the show.

800
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: And I'm having an oh my god moment because we're

801
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: saying we have no idea what's coming next. But I

802
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: just looked at my notes. I was like, maybe there's

803
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: a clue on these eighteen posts on my desk. Nathan's

804
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: gone to bat for Haley and she's giving that valedictorian speech.

805
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know what's coming. I know the fact

806
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: that everyone is in that gym graduating. So what the

807
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: hell happens to Lucas firing a gun at Dan while

808
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: Karen has passed out pregnant That in the next episode

809
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's the last one. I don't know, But in

810
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 1: the next two episodes, we're all just in our little

811
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: blue capping gowns, clapping for Haley given her cute little

812
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: speech like what is I feel relieved now? I needed

813
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: this relief because guys, I'm serious, like the acid in

814
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: my throat giving you heartburn. I need to know what's

815
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna be out. Hillary needs two toms and a glass

816
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: of water. You know, maybe it's the heightened stuff that

817
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: they did that also made this smaller moment stand out more.

818
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: That's true. They're diamonds. Yeah, that's true. Okay, we do

819
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: have a listener question from Sierra. Do you think it's

820
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: the Sierra? Oh? My god, didn't you imagine how cool

821
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: it would be? Yeah, she's a huge drama beens fan.

822
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: I know it. She can come on our show anytime.

823
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: Sierra are Idol asks. You've talked many times on the

824
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: show about how the parents aren't featured much and don't

825
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: get any history, and the ones that are shown frequently

826
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: are underutilized. If you could give one of the parents

827
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: a backstory or a history, what would it be. Oh?

828
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: I would love to see a whole like literally would

829
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: love to see a whole TV series on Dan's childhood.

830
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: I love an anti hero. It's like the Penguin or Joker. Yeah, yeah,

831
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: the Joker. I could watch that movie so many times. Yes,

832
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated. It's like the the kid that wanted

833
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: to be a psychology major in me. I want I

834
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: want to watch that. Yeah, because imagine if you watched

835
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: a show about two brothers and one grew up to

836
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: be the Riddler and one grew up to be Batman.

837
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: You'd be like, obviously, how fun. Yes, you should pitch

838
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: that somewhere, Sophia, Okay, you wanted to hear first kids,

839
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: we're going to the comic books. They're related. As I'm

840
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: watching Karen and I'm like seeing the Lucas Peyton relationship,

841
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: it's just now dawning on me after all of these

842
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: years that Karen, who does not have a mother and father,

843
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: and who has no siblings, and is this like lone

844
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: wolf girl, is Peyton Sawyer, Like they're the same person,

845
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Speaker 1: And it's only now just making sense to me. Whoa,

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Speaker 1: that's so interesting. But we'd never ever find out why

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Speaker 1: Karen doesn't have a family or any friends, like never

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Speaker 1: one never Who was Karen's brooke Davis in high school? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy, because I will tell you single moms can't

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Speaker 1: make it without friends, you can exactly. And like she

851
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Speaker 1: was homecoming queen, she was on the Chilean squad. Your

852
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Speaker 1: friends don't ditch you, like cheerleading runs deeper than Dan Scott.

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Speaker 1: Goddamn it. But this is one of the things that's

854
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Speaker 1: frustrating about television is look shows have they got the

855
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: budget they have, and often writers aren't thinking, well, you

856
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Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do. We're going to invest in

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00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: one of our two male leads. We're going to invest

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Speaker 1: in his mom's friends. We're going to see these people

859
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Speaker 1: and especially, you know, actors. Let's be honest, like we're

860
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: trying to find regular jobs. It's hard to have a

861
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Speaker 1: job where you get an episode here in an episode there,

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Speaker 1: if you're semi retired and you happen to live in

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Speaker 1: the filming town where it's happening. Cool, but I think

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Speaker 1: it gets really tricky. We know how it is to

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Speaker 1: lose characters to booking shows. You know, we did it

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Speaker 1: on this show. And you can never ask someone to

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Speaker 1: simey their career to be able to show up only

868
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: when you need them. Cool. Simy's a nice word, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It would have been so cool to figure out because

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Speaker 1: there's so much incredible you know, theater and improv and

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00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: local talent and Molmington. I would have loved to see

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Speaker 1: some time with Karen's like cheer squad friends and the

873
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: ones who turned their back on her and the ones

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00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: who stayed and how they heal as adults like Oh

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00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: that would been so cool. Oh yeah, there's a whole

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00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: show somewhere, right, Like what if Glenda's mother was actually

877
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: one of Karen's friends in high school? Oh, you know

878
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: what I mean, And that's why she's fixated on being

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Speaker 1: popular and stuff, you know. Yeah, what's our honorable mention?

880
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean Jimmy's mom, right, Oh, missus give her the trophies. Man.

881
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: She was so wonderful and just what she communicates, her looks,

882
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: her moments. It's really incredible when you watch somebody who

883
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: doesn't say much but says everything with their face. Yeah,

884
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: renee Vincent, remarkable, Renee Vincent. That was such a arkable performance.

885
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: And we got so lucky with our talent in North Carolina.

886
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: The people that came to play with us made us better.

887
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: And so I'm so happy that Lee got to have

888
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: that moment. You know, he had to do a lot

889
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: of really questionable stuff this season, with the Rachel stuff

890
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: and the Shelley stuff and even the gig stuff, you know,

891
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, for him to have this really sincere, genuine

892
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: moment with a very talented actor, awesome, extremely talented Renee Vincent,

893
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: it definitely gets the honorable mention. I liked everything Lee

894
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: had to do in this episode. It was nice to

895
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: your point, like really nice to just see him in

896
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: his goodness. And then that ultimate moment with Jimmy's mom

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Speaker 1: with Renee m oh, this is all right? So were

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00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: you going to spin a wheel? Are we spinning a wheel?

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00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how we how we do something lighthearted

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Speaker 1: for the wheel after this episode, but we're gonna try,

901
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: damn it. No, this is fitting. Most like to become

902
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: a teacher at their old high school. Interrect. Okay, so, which,

903
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: well didn't Haley do exactly that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's

904
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 1: a no dah. Did any of us in real life

905
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: go back to our high school and teach? I feel

906
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: like you would, Hill. You do fundraisers at your high school.

907
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: I go back to my high school when I can, y'all.

908
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: I love school, that little ecosystem. Cool. Yeah, all day.

909
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: I gotta go in. On Thursday, I'm mentoring Civics Club

910
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: and we're doing we're doing a short film on the

911
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Fiddler's Bridge Murder and these kids are doing like local

912
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: folk tales and I'm like, yeah, that's that's an education, right,

913
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: someone else can teach math. I'm going to teach like

914
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: murder and ghosts stuff. That's fun. Is that a real

915
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: class murder and ghost stuff? I would sign up for

916
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: that class. Yeah. Yeah, it's an ap course. It sounds

917
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: like a school, a class in the School of Communications

918
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: at college where you're like, yeah, I want to learn

919
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: full Yeah. Um. I like going back to visit my

920
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: high school. I've done that a couple of times. And

921
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Speaker 1: I went pre pandemic and spoke at this savent at USC.

922
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: That was so fun and I got to see all

923
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: my favorite professors, Like yeah, I just get so excited

924
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: when I get to see my teachers, And I think

925
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: it's really special when you get to invest in the

926
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: places that you grew up in. Yeah. You know who

927
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: grew up and worked in a school is Colin Feckis

928
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: Lay Jimmy Edwards like co and Go. He was working

929
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: in a school and now he works for stock Aide Works,

930
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: which is a film nonprofit up here, which is pretty

931
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: much a school where it teaches people who do like

932
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: vocational jobs how to apply them to film and so

933
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: he's still in the process of teaching. That's full circle.

934
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: It really is. So it's Colin Colin for real life,

935
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: and I feel like we gotta go teach a a

936
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: class about podcasting or something. We should be guest lecturers somewhere.

937
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm doing an Artist in Action day and

938
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: like two weeks they're like, they're like, Hillary, will you

939
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Speaker 1: come give the keynote to a bunch of middle schoolers?

940
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: And I'm terrified. I was like, what is it, entail?

941
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't know, whatever you think middle

942
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: schoolers need to hear. And I'm like, what, No, Like,

943
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: let me just light myself on fire real quick. I

944
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: literally talked to any other age group middle schoolers. So

945
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: terrifying because I just walked up. My daughter was at

946
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Speaker 1: a we were all sort of like a house paray,

947
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: like an after basketball party, and she had gone upstairs

948
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: with some of the all the adults were hanging out downstairs.

949
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Speaker 1: She had gone upstairs to some girls. I walked up

950
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Speaker 1: there to say goodbye to her because I was leaving,

951
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: and I walk in the room. I'm you know, knock knock,

952
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: Who is it? Oh, it's miss Joy. I'm coming to

953
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: say goodbye Marie. Okay. I opened the door. I walk in.

954
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: It's like a it's a the room. All the lights

955
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: are out, but the black lights are on and like,

956
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Maria's across the room, so I have to walk through

957
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: a gaggle of like twelve and thirteen year old girls

958
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: to get to her. And I wasn't even thinking. I

959
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: just walk in. I get halfway through the room and

960
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in the wrong placed, and I just retreated.

961
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just shouted at her from across the room.

962
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I love you, come by, and just

963
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: retreated out like I'm so sorry. I'm really sorry. There

964
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: is nothing cool you can do in middle school high

965
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: schools where um, all right, well guys, we get to

966
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: graduate so soon, so soon. I think it's in the

967
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: next episode. Yeah, all right, we're gonna see your big speech.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Season four, episode twenty the Earth and

969
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Death of the Day. Jeez again, Maybe the birth is happy,

970
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: maybe Jamie comes. Yeah, yeah, I got high hopes. I

971
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: need to cling to some happiness here. Okay, fingers cross,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: hanging out show, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: leave us a review. You can also follow us on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at drama queens oth or email us at drama

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Speaker 1: Queens at iHeartRadio dot com. See you next time. We

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Speaker 1: all about that high school drama. Girl, Drama Girl, all

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Speaker 1: about them high school queens forever. We'll take you for

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