WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 052122 The Racist Mass Shooting in Buffalo NY that Killed 10 Black People (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Psacher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's Jah I.

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<v Speaker 2>Go by today and probably for the rest of my existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Q War. I think I'm gonna stick with it. I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, remember how I was kind of Okay, never mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about it. I'll talk to you about it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we are here to talk about heavy week that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been through. Unless you've been under a rock, you know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what we need to talk about. Obviously, when you

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<v Speaker 1>last heard us, the world was a different place. And

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<v Speaker 1>but was it we were getting comfortable again, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was certainly surprised and hurt more than I

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<v Speaker 1>should have been when I found out about the mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooting in Buffalo. So we will spend a good amount

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<v Speaker 1>of the day discussing that. Of course, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what we decided in our in our show,

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<v Speaker 1>producer Maggie decided that we should talk about the people

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<v Speaker 1>and how things feel. That's important around here, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to spend a good amount of time talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that, and then a little later in the show

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get into the whys and what we

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<v Speaker 1>believe happened and what we can potentially do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, lots to stick around for there. We're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking for our way black history fact.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for those who are fans of Disney, you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's a movie called The Princess and the Frog. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I learned recently that that movie was based on an

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<v Speaker 1>actual woman, black woman who lived an amazing life, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about her and how she

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<v Speaker 1>was the basis of this amazing Disney movie. Wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>was award winning and made so much profits and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we have the whole rest of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>so many of stuff to stick around for, things you

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<v Speaker 1>might not have heard about before, and we're happy to

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<v Speaker 1>share with you. But first and foremost, like we always

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<v Speaker 1>do with this time, Q, can we get into some

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<v Speaker 1>ebony excellence? Of course we can. All right, then let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So today we are going to split it

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<v Speaker 1>up a bit. There's been a lot of stories that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't been able to get around to, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing. You know, have any excellence. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those, and we want to share them

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. So we're going to put a few

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<v Speaker 1>of them together. These are about folks graduating from school,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, this is a big accomplishment. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>some people who didn't even need to graduate from school

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<v Speaker 1>based on, you know, normal metrics that normal folks might

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<v Speaker 1>have in terms of what you want from life. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet and still these folks, either they're setting an example

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<v Speaker 1>or they just had a personal commitment to themselves or

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<v Speaker 1>their family, whatever it is, have managed to make it

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<v Speaker 1>across the stage. So first and foremost, Anthony Anderson. This

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from CBS News. So he fulfilled a dream

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years in the making, graduating from Howard University. Shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Howard, Shout out to Hu. The fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old received a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree from

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<v Speaker 1>the historically black university last week. To quote Biggie, it

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<v Speaker 1>was all a dream. Words can't begin to describe the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional Roller Coast ter I'm on right now, he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. And we also have Stephan Curry's another wardale

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<v Speaker 1>Stephan Curry talk to him. So this one comes from

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<v Speaker 1>NBC News. There's quote we got it done. Steph Curry's

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<v Speaker 1>celebrates becoming a college grad. The Golden State Warrior Star

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<v Speaker 1>graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in sociology from

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<v Speaker 1>Davidson College on Sunday. And then last but not least,

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<v Speaker 1>this one comes from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The acclaimed

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta entertainer Chris Ludacris Bridges Luda has also graduated, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we wanted to take the time out to shot

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<v Speaker 1>them out because that is definitely some ebony excellence. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way our show airs and because of

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<v Speaker 1>the timing of this hate crime that took place in Buffalo, Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, we weren't able to you know, it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of happened after our show air. So for those

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<v Speaker 1>that might have missed it, I know if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us, there's a good chance that you did not

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<v Speaker 1>miss it. But we do have to tell the story

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<v Speaker 1>sort of from the beginning. There was a mass shooting

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<v Speaker 1>at a grocery store in Buffalo, New York. Store was

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<v Speaker 1>called Tops. It was a racist attack and an.

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<v Speaker 2>Active domestic terrorism, if you will, absolutely that's a great

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<v Speaker 2>way to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, on this show, we do our

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<v Speaker 1>best to be journalists, but we've never pretended to be

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<v Speaker 1>what we're not. Q is a DJ and Ramses is

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<v Speaker 1>a DJ, and that's what we do, right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>try to protect ourselves, perhaps differently than a traditional journalist would.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, we don't always watch ourselves the trauma

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<v Speaker 1>that the systems in this country put black bodies through,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we do have to watch these videos, we

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<v Speaker 1>will take terms. Neither one of us wanted to jump

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<v Speaker 1>on this grenade, and so we obviously we saw enough

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<v Speaker 1>clips to familiarize ourselves with the story we've read about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will not pretend that I have watched the

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<v Speaker 1>video of this most recent mass shooter, whose name I

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<v Speaker 1>will not say, but you know he live streamed himself

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<v Speaker 1>walking through the Tops grocery store in Buffalo, New York

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<v Speaker 1>and ending people's lives. We did watch the clips that

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<v Speaker 1>weren't so graphic, just because again we had to familiarize ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>But to anyone that might say, hey, you missed this

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<v Speaker 1>detail or you got this one bit wrong, perhaps, but

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<v Speaker 1>for us, we're not. I'm never going to watch that video.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not born here to watch people die. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just not in my heart. Yeah, that's not the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. Ever. Yeah, it's definitely not the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of the show today.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've said before, kind of angrily trying to argue

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<v Speaker 2>semantics with regards to the parts that we know are true,

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<v Speaker 2>is that he murdered people.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, that's thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, like you know what I mean, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to really get into well he made it left

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<v Speaker 2>and not a right. I mean, that's semantics for the

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<v Speaker 2>sake some magics were. That's not what we're here, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to. That's perfect you. So I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>pretend like I watched the video on myself. To anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who has, you are a stronger person in that way

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<v Speaker 2>than I am, and I commend you. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned a man went and bought a gun. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into the details a bit, but just so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can start this story, because we want to start

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<v Speaker 2>at a very special place. Eighteen year old man went

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<v Speaker 2>and bought a gun, and then he took that gun

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<v Speaker 2>to a grocery store. He had tactical gear on in

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<v Speaker 2>the parking lot when he drove up to the gun,

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<v Speaker 2>he got out of his car and he started to

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<v Speaker 2>fire on people in the parking lot, and then those

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<v Speaker 2>people died. And then he went in the store and

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<v Speaker 2>he started shooting more people, and then those people died.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's these might be rumors again I did and

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<v Speaker 2>see him. Once he sort of ran out of targets,

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<v Speaker 2>he went back to the wounded people and shot them

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<v Speaker 2>again to make sure that they died. I do know

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<v Speaker 2>that this is the most since Dylan Ruth. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the most the deadliest attack on an African American community

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<v Speaker 2>since then. Dylan Ruth's name was written on this gentleman's

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<v Speaker 2>assault rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And and for those that may have forgotten, Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>Ruth is the the man that went into the church

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<v Speaker 1>and shot nine people when they were at church. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, we knew it's gonna happen, all right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he went in and you just killed everybody. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the police came and they arrested him. He's still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>beating heart. We have we have to get to that later.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, we're just telling the story. I need you

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<v Speaker 1>to tell that part of the story. Queue, because when

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about what's his name, Sanders, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him last week, Quadre Sanders in Oklahoma, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was. And they were not able to take him alive,

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<v Speaker 1>or sure they were perhaps able to, but chose not

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<v Speaker 1>to take him in alive because they were so afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>As my colleague would have us. Believe I wouldn't have you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just trying to allow for that part of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation to at least exist anyway. So that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a mass shooting. Man went in, he shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it was thirteen people. Ten people lost their life

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<v Speaker 1>that day. A shooter was arrested and taken into custom. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take a moment because this is important.

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<v Speaker 1>If I've learned anything, marching, if I've learned anything study

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<v Speaker 1>and doing this show something that I will always work on.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm awful with names, but I do recognize how

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<v Speaker 1>important they are. We're going to say the names of

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<v Speaker 1>the ten people who are not here with us anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized this isn't the most compelling radio but if

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<v Speaker 1>you will please just listen to me. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>do this is I'm a longtime broadcaster, so I know

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<v Speaker 1>it works and I know it doesn't, but this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>about that right now. This is something that I have

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<v Speaker 1>to do, so please allow me to read these names.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do my best here. ROBERTA. A Jury

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<v Speaker 1>of Buffalo, New York, age thirty two, Marcus D. Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>of Buffalo, New York, age fifty two, Andre McNeil of Auburn,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, age fifty three, Aaron Salter of Lockport, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>age fifty five, Geraldine Tally of Buffalo, New York, age

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, Celestine Cheney of Buffalo, New York, age sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Hayward Pattison of Buffalo, New York, age sixty seven, Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Massey of Buffalo, New York, age seventy two, Pearl Young

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<v Speaker 1>of Buffalo, New York, age seventy seven, Ruth Whitfield of Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, age eighty six. I need to say those

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<v Speaker 1>names because those are people, human beings. Those were people

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<v Speaker 1>that were at the grocery store. They have families and

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<v Speaker 1>you know they you know, this is these names, Pearl, Ruth,

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<v Speaker 1>you know like these are you know, these are the

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<v Speaker 1>people that that pray for us. You know, we know

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<v Speaker 1>these people. We know we're not from Buffalo, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know these people. You know, we know this community.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that you know, and we need you to

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<v Speaker 1>know this listening to our show today, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>who we're talking about. This is this is what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when hate remains unchecked It's like a cancer. It festers

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<v Speaker 1>and it boils over and it spills over into things

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<v Speaker 1>like this. And I recognize that this has happened in

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<v Speaker 1>other communities, and we have committed We've already committed to

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<v Speaker 1>during an episode talking about other unities in this month,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular because this is Asian American and Pacific Islander

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<v Speaker 1>Heritage Month, and so we definitely want to take some

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<v Speaker 1>time with that. Our producer, Maggie aka Maggie b Noan,

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<v Speaker 1>she has that written up for us, but obviously this

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<v Speaker 1>week we had to talk about this. Our community is hurting.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the names of the people who are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer alive. It's important that we mentioned that. Now. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to read a little bit from the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>The headline says gunman kills ten at Buffalo supermarket and

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<v Speaker 1>racist attack. President Biden called for a thorough investigation and

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<v Speaker 1>said there was no harbor for quote hate field domestic

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<v Speaker 1>terrorism en quote. The eighteen year old white gunman, who

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded not guilty, left behind a manifesto. The police said

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<v Speaker 1>the gunman, whom they described as an eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>white man from outside the city, was motivated by racism.

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<v Speaker 1>He appeared in court hours after the attack. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>know what the.

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<v Speaker 2>Charge, what the charges were that were brought against him,

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<v Speaker 2>murder in the first degree, led not guilty to them,

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<v Speaker 2>to the murders that he live streamed himself committing that

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<v Speaker 2>he was charged with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, A teenage gunman in entranced by a white supremacist

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<v Speaker 1>ideology known as a replacement theory, open fire at a

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket in Buffalo on Saturday, this would be last Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, methodically shooting and killing ten people and injuring

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<v Speaker 1>three more, almost all of them black, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>deadliest racist attacks in recent American history. The authorities identified

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<v Speaker 1>the gunman as eighteen year old Blank Blank of Conklin,

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<v Speaker 1>a small town in New York, New York's rural southern

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<v Speaker 1>tier Mount oh The shooter drove more than two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>mins else to mount his attack when she also livestreamed,

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<v Speaker 1>the police said, a chilling video feed that appeared designed

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<v Speaker 1>to promote his senistery agenda. This is the largest mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooting to date in the city of Buffalo. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone here in the city of Buffalo thought that

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<v Speaker 1>something like this could ever happen, would ever happen mister

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<v Speaker 1>Wingo said most of the shoppers at the Top supermarket

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<v Speaker 1>were black, mirroring the surrounding neighborhood. Dorothy Simmons, sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>typically spends part of her Saturday as at Top shopping

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<v Speaker 1>for food to prepare for Sunday dinner. Quote, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we do in this community, said Miss Simmons, who has

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<v Speaker 1>lived in East Buffalo all their life. On this Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Simmons was at work in Amherst. When she heard

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<v Speaker 1>the news, she cried and said, this is our store,

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<v Speaker 1>this is our store. Miss Simmons, who was black, said

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the gunman was able to surrender showed disparity.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote if that had been my son, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>never been surrendered. We would have never had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to surrender. Miss Simmons said, it would never be that way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now talk to me, Q.

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<v Speaker 2>It becomes increasingly difficult to keep the faith whichever kind

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<v Speaker 2>your mind went to when I said that, faith in humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>faith in each other, faith in God, faith in our systems,

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<v Speaker 2>faith in our country, faith in our law enforcement community.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time we do a show, we end up having

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<v Speaker 2>to make some sort of punitive statement with regards to

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement in this country. And the most difficult thing

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<v Speaker 2>about that is that each of us know police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't just mean Ramsees and I I mean most

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody that's listening. You're probably a relationship away, a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship removed from a police officer. Somebody is who is

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<v Speaker 2>related to a police officer. And there's been times where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm talking to you Ramses and I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is there another way for us to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Except no, there isn't because we have too much data.

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<v Speaker 2>We have too much information, We have too many facts

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<v Speaker 2>to try to be emotional with regards to this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Does not mean that we're not compassionate. It does not

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<v Speaker 2>mean that we deal and only black and white pardon

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<v Speaker 2>the pun there, right, But in actual mental health issues, right,

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<v Speaker 2>police are called because there's a mental health episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Police show up and they shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>With regards to black people, traffic stop, mental health, jaywalking,

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<v Speaker 2>toy at the playground, sleeping, the windy's running the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>We get murdered, we get shot. Young white men apprehended

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<v Speaker 2>by police while murdering people with assault rifles. Somehow are

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<v Speaker 2>peacefully and safely arrested and get to see their.

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<v Speaker 1>Day in court.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not certain how many times this has to

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<v Speaker 2>happen for those who argue against it to change their mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Gratch that before I even finish saying that I knew better.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing that can happen that will make those people

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<v Speaker 2>think any differently than they do. Right, So we end

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<v Speaker 2>up in this echo chamber talking to each other about

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<v Speaker 2>what we know is very obviously the truth. Law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, built on a foundation of racism, has not,

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<v Speaker 2>in hundreds of years, outgrown its own ideology to the

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<v Speaker 2>peril of the country and the people that it's sworn

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<v Speaker 2>to protect. When we are the victims of the murders,

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<v Speaker 2>the murderer walks free. When we are suspected as murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>we are murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me let me I want to say something

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<v Speaker 1>that supports that, that reinforces that, or bolsters that we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Dylan Ruth. You know where I'm going with this, right, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you offer this what happened with Dylan Ruth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk about what he did, just

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<v Speaker 1>how it was responded to. That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only was he not harmed, Let's go the extra

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<v Speaker 2>step to make sure that mister Ruf is okay right.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't happen to be tired or hungry, would you, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you are hungry, you know we can we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to go straight to the paperwork with this.

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<v Speaker 1>We can for you.

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<v Speaker 2>We can make a detail over here and get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps a sandwich for you. And I say sandwich to

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<v Speaker 2>not without compensation, promote the business that they supported in

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<v Speaker 2>order to look out for this young man's well being

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<v Speaker 2>in case he's a little parted or a little you know,

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<v Speaker 2>had a little star I'm at grumbling after he finished

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<v Speaker 2>murdering people.

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<v Speaker 1>The church in church.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, almost without fail, these men get to be

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<v Speaker 2>having a bad day because the weight of the world

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<v Speaker 2>that they grew up in is weighing on them so

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<v Speaker 2>heavily that it has to have paid any emotional and

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<v Speaker 2>mental tax on them. Let us list all the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why these young men might have come to these decisions

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<v Speaker 2>besides the obvious truth of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, when called with.

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<v Speaker 2>Regard to someone with a mental health issue, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know we're going to touch on this topic later, the

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<v Speaker 2>actual person who you didn't have to guess whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they had a mental issue or not. You didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to try to draw up or paint some picture

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<v Speaker 2>for us. You knew that when you were on your

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<v Speaker 2>way that person gets shot dead on camera.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the right, there's obviously a big name is Tucker Carlson.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he has been referring to this more recent

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<v Speaker 1>shooter as a mentally ill young man, and so many

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<v Speaker 1>other cases he doesn't afford, you know, especially if the

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<v Speaker 1>individuals are melanated, he doesn't afford them that courtesy that

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<v Speaker 1>they may have been having a mental episode. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I wanted you to bring up the Dylan Roof

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<v Speaker 1>incident when they took him to the restaurant bottom some

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<v Speaker 1>food and something to drink before taking him to jail,

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<v Speaker 1>was to show that, you know, they take him in alive. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some folks who point to the subway shooter

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<v Speaker 1>in New York was a black man and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>police were able to take him alive. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe those circumstances are slightly different in that it was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer an active shooter incident at the time when

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<v Speaker 1>they apprehended him. They didn't approach him while he was shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sitting in a restauran. He called them to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them where to come. Day after, I think to

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<v Speaker 1>something like maybe a couple of days after, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's very different set of circumstances there. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get too far away from this community because

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<v Speaker 1>we realized that that part feels particularly unfair. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that we spend a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of time humanizing these people. You know, if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 1>I've passed through Buffalo one time in my life, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not from there. I don't know too

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<v Speaker 1>much about it, but I know these people. These aren't

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<v Speaker 1>people that are bad people. These aren't people that would

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<v Speaker 1>harm anyone. I mean, you can tell from their ages.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they're just enjoying their lives. And to be executed,

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<v Speaker 1>to die screaming in terror, to have your last moments

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<v Speaker 1>be at the end of a assault rifle, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>where you don't know why, you don't know what you

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<v Speaker 1>did wrong, and then for the community left behind to

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<v Speaker 1>know that, oh, what she did wrong was be black.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, a woman seventy two years living

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<v Speaker 1>in a country that feels like it kind of hates

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<v Speaker 1>her to die at the end of that barrel. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it you were so the barrel that the

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<v Speaker 1>barrel that has the N word written at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Mind you, that feels like a part of

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<v Speaker 1>this story. That's that's important to tell. Now, we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>lots of racist videos because that's kind of the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the gig here, but that one was different, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you'll stick around, we'll talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about the why