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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy September, Happy day after Labor Day. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to you on a Tuesday morning. I think

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know last week. We're going to have

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Speaker 1: our same three episode upload this week, but instead of Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Gave everybody a

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Speaker 1: breather on Labor Day. I've got a very full episode, serious, unseerious,

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. I will be the interview today.

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Speaker 1: Congressman from Florida, Jared Moskowitz. He is somebody who we

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. He is really trying to keep that center

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Speaker 1: left lane of the Democratic Party active. We go down

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Speaker 1: a number of roads, have some interesting conversations about his

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Speaker 1: potential future in Florida, what's happening and redistricting, what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Israel. I promise you, if you're engaged on any

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Speaker 1: of those debates, you're going to want to hear what

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Speaker 1: Jared Moscowitz has to say. It was fascinating. He's also

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Speaker 1: the former head of FEMA for the state of essentially

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Speaker 1: head of emergency management for the State of Florida, did

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Speaker 1: so in the first Dissanta's term. Like this is how

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Speaker 1: far we've come. It wasn't that long ago that disaster

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Speaker 1: response was something you didn't politicize. You went out of

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Speaker 1: your way to be bipartisan about it. Even Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: did this. And so, you know, talking about what's happening

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Speaker 1: with FEMA, we know the news over the weekend where

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Speaker 1: a few FEMA staffers raise some concerns publicly and they've

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Speaker 1: been they've been moved out of their jobs for at

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Speaker 1: all saying, you know, somehow contradicting the message there is.

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Speaker 1: It is crystal clear the First Amendment does not apply

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Speaker 1: to anybody working in government if you speak out against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They the First Amendment is certainly not something

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Speaker 1: that the Trump White House is concerned about. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: just daring any individual that is pushed out due to speech,

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Speaker 1: which again protected by the Constitution. We'll see. I guess

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Speaker 1: they just assume by the time the lawsuit is filed,

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Speaker 1: they get to move on and in the meantime they

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Speaker 1: continue their political purge of non political spaces. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Jared Moscowitz, trust me, it's a terrific conversation. If you

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Speaker 1: are curious about the future, the ideological future of the party,

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Israel. What about this fight about redistricting

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Speaker 1: Jared moscuits and I cover the whole gambit. Also, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do a bit of a deep dive on

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Speaker 1: the disaster that's taking place at the CDC. What Kennedy

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Speaker 1: is doing, the tariff issue Russia over the weekend, over

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Speaker 1: the last week. I mean this in itself, I mean

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Speaker 1: the summit, the Alaska summit. Now we now know a

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Speaker 1: complete and total failure. Trump was played by Putin the

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Speaker 1: entire time. How do we know this? Putin has now

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Speaker 1: launched air strikes against Western resources in Ukraine. He had

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Speaker 1: an American factory that makes coffeemakers, by the way, but

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Speaker 1: also hit diplomatic offices in the western part in a

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Speaker 1: town in Ukraine called Mukachivo. It's a city that's so

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Speaker 1: far away from the front lines they had no curfew.

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Speaker 1: In fact, when the first missile hit, the mayor thought

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Speaker 1: it was thunder. That's how far away from the war

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Speaker 1: this particular town. But Putin went out of his way

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Speaker 1: to send a message to the West. I'm not capitulating

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Speaker 1: at all. I'm not negotiating. I am thumbing my nose

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Speaker 1: at everything that Donald Trump and the European leaders perhaps

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Speaker 1: proof I guess that Steve Wikoff truly doesn't either know

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Speaker 1: because this has turned out to be the Alaska summit now,

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Speaker 1: may have actually led to a step back because at

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Speaker 1: a message that Putin can walk all over you, and

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Speaker 1: then Putin can walk all over us. So it's a

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Speaker 1: dangerous situation there. Obviously, I'm in a I told you

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Speaker 1: my mood would be impacted by my Hurricanes football. I've

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Speaker 1: got a lot to say about that, but I will wait,

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Speaker 1: like I said, the less serious I'll do that towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the pod here after the interview for

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Speaker 1: those of you that listened to everything as one, of course,

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Speaker 1: I've got I think I will prove to you in

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Speaker 1: my analysis of the Hurricanes that while I may have

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Speaker 1: analyze them soberly. To me, hopefully this reinforces exactly how

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Speaker 1: I look at politics as well. But I want to

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Speaker 1: begin with the fact that here we are, it's the

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Speaker 1: for people's personal lives, right, definitely has the Okay, you

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Speaker 1: have your New Year's resolutions, and certainly you have a

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Speaker 1: financial things that change, all sorts of things that change

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Speaker 1: you will, sort of. It's you know, Congress comes back

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Speaker 1: after on and off being around in the summer. Major

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Speaker 1: the beginning of September, and of course these days in Washington,

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Speaker 1: every September comes a new debate about whether or not

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Speaker 1: we're going to shut down the government, and later this

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Speaker 1: week I want to get in. I'm going to dive

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Speaker 1: deep into the political dilemma that I think Democrats are

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Speaker 1: or not. I think it was plainly obvious six months

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Speaker 1: that forced a shutdown was going to be extraordinarily bad politics.

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Speaker 1: Has that changed? Could they be in a different place?

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Speaker 1: Those stories and more in the next edition of the

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Speaker 1: when it comes to politically, how if Democrats do want

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Speaker 1: to force a shutdown, there might be some ways politically

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Speaker 1: that it's smart. And then of course there are plenty

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Speaker 1: of reasons why it is high risk. But what I

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Speaker 1: the final test of whatever remains of the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: pre Trump. What do I mean, Look, in the first term,

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Speaker 1: the reason why there was sort of this collective there

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Speaker 1: It just allowed, you know, it gave comfort to the

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Speaker 1: on sort of bad ideas like tariffs and things like that.

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Speaker 1: It gave more credibility to criticism of Trump because it

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Speaker 1: he was getting criticized left, right and center. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: isn't The business community has essentially capitulated. Whatever remains of

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Speaker 1: but it pulls you slower. If you will in the

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Speaker 1: That's kind of I guess how I would describe Rubio investment.

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Speaker 1: But after those two, hard to see anybody else that

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Speaker 1: we have the big court cases. By the way, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to set up a Supreme Court showdown. Trump's trying

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Speaker 1: to impose these tariffs, because I don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: Isn't going to be an easy vote because you're essentially

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Speaker 1: asking for members of Congress to vote for a fifteen

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what they would be doing if they did that.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they'll just come up with a rewording of the

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Speaker 1: But either way, a vote in Congress is likely coming

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Speaker 1: drug he may be taking in order to minimize the

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Speaker 1: possibility of a stroke or a heart attack. But there's

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Speaker 1: clearly some health issues. We've seen the ankles, we've seen

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Speaker 1: these pictures. Something is afoot. They're not they haven't been

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Speaker 1: showing us. So I do think they're susceptible feed and frenzy.

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Speaker 1: And look the next couple of weeks. In theory, we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to see him a lot, interact with quite a

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Speaker 1: few world leaders. The UN General Assembly will be meeting

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Speaker 1: in the next week or two, and there's a ton

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Speaker 1: of world leaders that come to the United States. So

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Speaker 1: one would assume we're going to see him a lot,

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Speaker 1: and if we don't, if he limits how much we

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Speaker 1: see him, I do think that is going to trigger

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Speaker 1: a feeding frenzy on his personal health that they're going

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Speaker 1: to have a hard time containing. Because again, they're the

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Speaker 1: you know, they they've they're the group that's been manufacturing

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Speaker 1: this nonsense about everybody else for a decade, and now

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Speaker 1: we're going to see that they're going to wish they

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Speaker 1: respected the privacy of others when it came to their health,

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Speaker 1: because it's not going to be in there. But to

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Speaker 1: go back to the to my central point here is, look,

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Speaker 1: maybe some of you are going to think I'm being

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Speaker 1: naive to a that there's still another wing of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party that Trump hasn't totally taken over. I take

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Speaker 1: some of these Republicans at their word that they're not Trumpets,

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Speaker 1: that they don't like this state capitalism, which some people

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Speaker 1: think looks like socialism that they don't like a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that he's done on the fiscal front. They

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Speaker 1: don't like these health conspiracies that he enables with Bobby Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: and they certainly don't like his passiveness when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the Russians and Putin in particular. Well, they have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, right the next sixty days, are we going

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Speaker 1: to see this is not a popular president. Yes, he's

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Speaker 1: popular in the Republican Party, but these Republicans are never

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Speaker 1: going to be maga Republicans. How badly do they want

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Speaker 1: to keep their job and how badly do they want

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Speaker 1: to be seen as actually fighting for the public before

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Speaker 1: their party. You know, Bill Cassid, if you care about

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Speaker 1: your Senate see and you still want to keep hope

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Speaker 1: alive on that leave the Republican Party, become an independent,

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Speaker 1: that's where you'd want to be. Anyway. He flirted with

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Speaker 1: no labels. He took some calls with no labels when

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Speaker 1: they were looking for a presidential candidate in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: He knows this Republican Party is not good for him,

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Speaker 1: and he's good. He has very little chance of surviving

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Speaker 1: a Republican primary in Louisiana. John Cornyn is struggling, and

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Speaker 1: he's got character on his side. Right, Ken Paxton has

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Speaker 1: got every negative thing you could possibly have going for

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Speaker 1: you in a republic and any primary except East pro

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Speaker 1: MAGA and Cornyn has not seen his mega. But if

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Speaker 1: corn and Cassidy gave two shits at all about their

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Speaker 1: principles of what they cared about about limited government, about expertise,

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Speaker 1: about caring about the business community, caring about the everyday

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Speaker 1: lives of consumers, believing in science both of them do,

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Speaker 1: they'd leave the Republican and run as independence for the

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Speaker 1: US Senate. I think they could both win in their

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Speaker 1: respective say they could get enough Republicans and probably probably

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Speaker 1: get a lion's share of at least of Democrats if

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Speaker 1: that was the choice, a MAGA senator or a non

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Speaker 1: MAGA senator. I think in some of these red states

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Speaker 1: the left needs to be thinking in those terms. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're prepared to do that yet, but

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Speaker 1: they're not even being offered that opportunity to make that

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Speaker 1: decision because we haven't seen if Cassidy or Cornyn has

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Speaker 1: the testicular fortitude to do this. We know who does.

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Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski. I'll let you guys make the jokes about

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Speaker 1: who's got more testicular fortitude to take on the Maga

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Speaker 1: wing of the Republican Party. But I think Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 1: has proven she's got it. The question is any of

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Speaker 1: these other Senators John Curtis, Mike Crapo, John Hoven, Pete Ricketts,

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Speaker 1: Deb Fisher, Jerry Moran, Chuck Grassley, Joni Earns, Todd Young,

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Speaker 1: Roger Marshall, John Cornyn, John Thune, Mike Grounds, Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 1: Bill Cassidy, Susan Collins, Katie Britt, Roger Wicker, Tom Tillis.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, none of them, None of them buy in,

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Speaker 1: none of them. All of them would have run against

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Speaker 1: this stuff had it shown up in a primary before

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump came around. They had a push back on tariffs,

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Speaker 1: they had to push back on appeasement of putin, which

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Speaker 1: most of them actually do right now, and they'd have

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Speaker 1: been pro science when it comes to public health. Is

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Speaker 1: there any anything left here? Is there anything left with

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Speaker 1: this group of people? Do they all want to show?

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Speaker 1: In fact, if they actually got together, they'd have real strength.

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Speaker 1: But they're the ones that should be on the spot

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Speaker 1: here they're the ones that decided to capitulate and confirm

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Speaker 1: a cabinet secretary that everybody warned them was going to

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Speaker 1: be a disaster in Robert Kennedy Junior. And I know

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Speaker 1: because Schumer called for him to be fired. If it

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Speaker 1: looks like you're jumping on that bandwagon, you look like

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Speaker 1: you're quote siding with the Democrats. This isn't about Democrats

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Speaker 1: versus Republicans. This is about life and death. This is

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Speaker 1: about being a normal country that doesn't live in a

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Speaker 1: world of quarantines or not. You know, I think part

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Speaker 1: of the problem. And Kennedy grew up in an era

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Speaker 1: where actually because my father got a lot of these

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Speaker 1: childhood diseases in the fifties and in the sixties, and

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Speaker 1: they would put these back then. If you got one

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Speaker 1: of these before we got a vaccine for them, mumps, measles,

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Speaker 1: those things, you know, you got something to put on

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Speaker 1: your house that said quarantine. You know, sort of basically

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Speaker 1: you got the cooties, stay away, okay. And we have

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Speaker 1: no memory of this. There's this younger court two generations later.

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Speaker 1: It's an astonishing amount of people have no memory of

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Speaker 1: what life was like when we didn't have these vaccines

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Speaker 1: when you would just have people die of this stuff. Oh,

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Speaker 1: somebody died of the measles in the neighborhood. Somebody died

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Speaker 1: of polio. It is alarming that we've had to get

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Speaker 1: to this point, But kudos to those CDC officials who

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Speaker 1: decided to make sure the world knew the crazy that

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Speaker 1: was taking place from Kennedy and his minions by resigning

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Speaker 1: in Moss and by the CDC director refusing to resign.

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Speaker 1: Those two things together brought the necessary attention. That's how

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Speaker 1: you do it if you're sitting in government. Don't quietly resign,

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Speaker 1: try to find a group, do it loudly and proudly.

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Speaker 1: Make sure the public knows what's going on. So huge

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Speaker 1: credit to those brave patriots at the CDC, who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, are still waiting for the President to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: the fact that some crazy lunatic who was misinformed with

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Speaker 1: COVID misinformation shot up the place. I'm glad the President

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Speaker 1: decided to lower flags to half staff when it came

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Speaker 1: to what happened to the in Minnesota last week, and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that he put out a statement.

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Speaker 1: I know he tweets all the time has he still

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Speaker 1: not put anything out on the Gunman then attacked the

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Speaker 1: CDC scientists. I know he's got a rant today saying

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Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies have to prove these COVID vaccines work.

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Speaker 1: How about Kennedy's got to prove they don't. We already

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Speaker 1: have the signed they already have. You don't get a

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Speaker 1: shot in the arm if they're not proven to work.

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Speaker 1: So it's a false that's sort of a false nose.

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Speaker 1: He's like throwing up something and oh, they've got to

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Speaker 1: it's already been proven. Kennedy's got to find go find it.

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Speaker 1: He can't even find bullshit science to prove this stuff

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. But again, we have three branches of government

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Speaker 1: and you can check this, but it is not going

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Speaker 1: to happen. The Democrats don't have the power to do this,

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Speaker 1: and right now they do own the credibility with the

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Speaker 1: voters to do it on their own. Those Republicans I've

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Speaker 1: named checked they know what the right thing to do is.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, they know it. I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: these people very well. In some cases, they know what

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do is. It's all about whether

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Speaker 1: they have the guts, do they prioritize their political survival

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Speaker 1: in the short term over what could be long term

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Speaker 1: catastrophic consequences the United States and frankly for the world

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Speaker 1: on this all right, I'm a sneak in a break.

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Speaker 1: For those of you listening to the full pod, Jared

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Speaker 1: Moskowitz is coming up. It's a terrific interview. After that,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my rundown of my experience in the

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Speaker 1: college football world over the weekend, and we'll take some

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Speaker 1: questions and from there, we're only halfway there, so enjoy,

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Speaker 1: all right, And joining me now is Commerceman Jared Moskowitz.

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Speaker 1: He represents a congressional district in South Florida. And as

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Speaker 1: you know, I always mock anybody that says South Florida

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Speaker 1: because that's always code for not Miami, as somebody who

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Speaker 1: grew up in Miami, and in this case, because that

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Speaker 1: is correct. This is a little bit of Broward County,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Palm Beach County. I'm just sort

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Speaker 1: of teasing my fellow South Floridian here a little bit.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I get very I'll say I'm from

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Speaker 1: Miami and someone will say I'm from South Florida too,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, so, where in Broward County are

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Speaker 1: you from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like we mattered to Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't, but you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: growing up in Miami is a different animal, my friend.

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Speaker 3: That's all. Especially now, oh especially.

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Speaker 1: Now, I barely it's you know, it's a totally different

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Speaker 1: it's a totally different place than where I grew up.

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Speaker 1: But let me finish quickly your bio. You've been a

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Speaker 1: state Rep. He's a Democratic state Rep. He served in

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Speaker 1: the Dysantis administration doing emergency management, got elected to Congress

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Speaker 1: on the twenty two midterms, I believe, serving now in

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Speaker 1: his second term. He joins me. Now, and we were

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Speaker 1: just joking. I'm beating up there in South Florida. We'll

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Speaker 1: do a little South Florida stuff here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you worked in the DeSantis administration,

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Speaker 1: that is not a shock to a Floridian that a

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Speaker 1: Democrat would work for a Republican governor if it had

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Speaker 1: been Jeb Bush, Charlie Chris Rick Scott, right, Like, in

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Speaker 1: some ways Jeb Bush set the precedent on some of

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Speaker 1: these things. But when I look at the Santas today

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Speaker 1: and I was wondering, huh, you got hired in the

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Speaker 1: first term. Would you have ever gotten that job in

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Speaker 1: a second term? And you were telling me the answer,

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Speaker 1: So tell me the answer, now, what do you.

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Speaker 3: Think The answer is, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: The second term DeSantis administration very different than the first term.

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Speaker 3: Second term when you started.

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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles' difference by the way, well, Susie.

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Speaker 2: Wilds is the one who hired me, right, she vetted me.

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Speaker 2: She was part of the transition team. No, I think

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Speaker 2: the difference is when he ran for president and started

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Speaker 2: this tack on the social issues again, and then you

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Speaker 2: know this the division that was not the first two

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Speaker 2: years of the administration.

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Speaker 3: It really started obviously during COVID.

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Speaker 2: Although I think there were a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: we were right about COVID, about opening schools, things of

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Speaker 2: that nature that that I.

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Speaker 3: Was involved in.

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Speaker 2: But look, the division of e wordsy management in Florida

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Speaker 2: had a history of previous directors being from a different

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Speaker 2: party than the governor.

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Speaker 3: Because it didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Fugate working for Jeb and worked for Obama, and he

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Speaker 1: might be arguably right, like one of the you know,

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Speaker 1: the best advisors you can have in that era.

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Speaker 2: No one of the best of all time at both

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Speaker 2: at both levels. Those days I think are are over

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Speaker 2: now in Florida and in politics, look the Trump folks,

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Speaker 2: the Trump folks, you know, rumors that they were looking

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Speaker 2: at me for for FEMA. I think it probably worked

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Speaker 2: out for both of us that we didn't go down

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Speaker 2: that route. But that look at this climate, that would

645
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Speaker 2: be an impossibility to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start there, because you know, I just got

647
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Speaker 1: off the phone with just a long time friend of mine,

648
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Speaker 1: he's an operative out in California, and we were basically

649
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: having an argument about the redistricting situation, right, which is

650
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Speaker 1: and it gets at this issue right here are we?

651
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Speaker 1: Which is? And of course, like each party thinks the

652
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Speaker 1: other one breaks the rules all the time, right, we

653
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: know this, right, there is this base of both so

654
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Speaker 1: they so you can convince yourself to break the rules

655
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Speaker 1: because you think the other guy breaks the rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like both It's like two of

657
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Speaker 2: my I have two boys, it's like both of my children.

658
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Speaker 2: When I hear crying and fighting up upstairs, it's who

659
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Speaker 2: hit who first?

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's exactly right. And then the question is

661
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Speaker 1: do you stand on principle and bring a knife to

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Speaker 1: a gun fight and lose, right, And that's the argument

663
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Speaker 1: he's making to me. And I'm like, well, if you

664
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Speaker 1: don't stand on principle when it's hard, when are you

665
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Speaker 1: going to stand on principle? And I guess where are

666
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Speaker 1: you on this? Because you're in the middle of this,

667
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: You've got you're in your house, Democrat. The political environment's

668
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: probably going to be blowing in the Democrats direction, which

669
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Speaker 1: maybe why Republicans are so aggressive and trying why Trump

670
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: so aggressive and trying to do this? Where do you

671
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Speaker 1: stand on this? And especially look, I'm always so offended

672
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Speaker 1: by the by how redistricting has worked the state of

673
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Speaker 1: Florida that I'm just always wanting politicians out of this process.

674
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Speaker 1: Sort of my instinct here. I understand the mindset of, Hey,

675
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Speaker 1: if they're going to do ends justify as the means,

676
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: why shouldn't the Democrats? Where do you? Where are you

677
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: in this?

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say, as someone who for the twenty

679
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Speaker 2: years I've been in government elected appointed office, you know,

680
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Speaker 2: when I see someone trying to start a fire, right,

681
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Speaker 2: and this is my emergency mandement background. The idea is

682
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Speaker 2: to grab water, put the fire out, preserve as much

683
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Speaker 2: as possible from the fire.

684
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Speaker 3: I would tell you that.

685
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's where the base of the Democratic

686
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Speaker 2: Party is right now. I think the date where the

687
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Speaker 2: base of the Democratic Party is right now is that

688
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Speaker 2: if there's if they're lighting a fire, don't grab water, Jared,

689
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Speaker 2: grab gasoline. Okay, make that fire bigger, burn it to

690
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Speaker 2: the ground. If they're going to burn it, we should

691
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Speaker 2: burn it. Don't talk to me about protecting democracy. Look

692
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Speaker 2: at this is not the democracy I want. Don't go

693
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Speaker 2: protect it, shut it down, shut the government down, do

694
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Speaker 2: all of that, Jared. It's no longer about work together.

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Speaker 2: Why would you try work together with them?

696
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Speaker 1: Jared?

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Speaker 2: They don't want to work with you. Look at what

698
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Speaker 2: they are doing. And so I think there's been a

699
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Speaker 2: shift from us being the adults in the room, which

700
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Speaker 2: we are, the responsible folks in the room, which we are.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the base wants to hear that anymore

702
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: at all. They don't want to hear about norms. They

703
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about anything that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

705
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Speaker 2: I would go in a room and people would say, Jared,

706
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Speaker 2: you're not fighting hard enough. And I'm on TV all

707
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: the time. I fight and committee, and I would say, well,

708
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Speaker 2: what do you want me to do? Storm the Capitol

709
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Speaker 2: as a sarcastic joke, and like half the room would

710
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: look at half the room would look at me and

711
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: be like, well have you tried?

712
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Speaker 3: It seemed to work for them.

713
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Speaker 1: It was always you know, one of the fears I

714
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Speaker 1: had about a second Trump term was that it wasn't

715
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Speaker 1: that it was going to change the Republican Party even more,

716
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Speaker 1: but that it was going to change the Democrats. Has

717
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Speaker 1: happened and we're watching it now, which is, if you

718
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: can't beat them, essentially join them. It's so funny. Yesterday

719
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Speaker 1: I just did this tweet above the Center for American

720
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Speaker 1: Progress pulled their support right for independent district commissions, and

721
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Speaker 1: I just put a little note that like, I don't

722
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Speaker 1: understand why the answer if you're upset about voters being

723
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: disenfranchised in Texas, why is the answer to disenfranchised voters

724
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Speaker 1: in California? And then Rob Flaherty, who is the deputy

725
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Speaker 1: campaign manager for Kamala Harrison, he goes essentially made the

726
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Speaker 1: argument you just said the base makes, which is, hey,

727
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Speaker 1: we tried that nobody cares about protecting the democracy. Essentially,

728
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Speaker 1: you know, and he wasn't like being He wasn't like

729
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Speaker 1: I didn't feel it as a personal attack. He's basically like, hey,

730
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Speaker 1: basically saying I've got I'm the one with the head

731
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Speaker 1: up his ass, right like I'm the naive guy here.

732
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like that's the feedback you get. And

733
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Speaker 1: I just think the undertake district shock.

734
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Speaker 2: I'm a moderate district, right, I don't. I don't have

735
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Speaker 2: a plus twenty. I got a plus two right, Okay.

736
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Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, my general election voter isn't

737
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Speaker 2: necessarily there, but my primary voter is absolutely well unequivosiity there.

738
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Speaker 1: This is the conundrum for the party right, is that

739
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: primary voters want a fighter and swing voters want a uniter.

740
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can be both.

741
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Speaker 2: Well, Look, I try as much as I can. I

742
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: hit him in committee, I hit him online, and if

743
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: there's a bipartisan bill, I will vote for it. But

744
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: those folks that are there, whether they're.

745
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Speaker 3: D's, are ours.

746
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Speaker 2: They I now now have the dinosaurs feel right like

747
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: that error, that error is coming to an end. It

748
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: is absolutely coming to it. And jerry mandering is going

749
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: to speed that up. Because five seats in Texas, five

750
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Speaker 2: seats in California, a couple in Florida, two in Ohio,

751
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: one in Indiana, one in Missouri. Now the twenty five

752
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: seats that we're always fighting over, now the twenty five

753
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Speaker 2: or fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, this is full on parliamentary national election.

755
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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, this is.

756
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Speaker 2: And by the way, this is if you don't think

757
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Congress functions now, I mean, just give it, give it

758
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: to or four more years. More power will go to

759
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: the executive. I don't care who's in charge. Basically, we'll

760
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: get to the point where the only thing we can

761
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: pass is a cr maybe maybe.

762
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Speaker 1: So what do you do in a moment like this?

763
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think for me, I've been doing this

764
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Speaker 2: since I was twenty five.

765
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Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to do what was right.

766
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Speaker 2: I'm really guided by the shooting that happened and Marjorie

767
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Speaker 2: Stoneman Douglas at my high school in my backyard, when

768
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Speaker 2: I saw government failed, the FBI failed, school board failed,

769
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Speaker 2: the braw Sheriff's office failed. Right, this was a preventable event.

770
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Speaker 2: Government failed, and kids and adults died as a result

771
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Speaker 2: of it. And so I got to be honest, Truck,

772
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Speaker 2: I do what I think is right. Okay, I octably

773
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: want to represent my voters. Okay, but I'm still going

774
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Speaker 2: to do.

775
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: What I think is right.

776
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Speaker 2: If the voters decide that I'm not for them, right,

777
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Speaker 2: I got two boys at home right behind that door, right, Okay,

778
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Speaker 2: I'll go back to them, like my life will go on.

779
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Speaker 3: If keeping my job is so important that I'm going

780
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Speaker 3: to lose who I've been, then so be it so

781
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Speaker 3: for me.

782
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Speaker 2: You obviously look at the climate you're in, you adjust,

783
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: you see where you're going, but you still got to

784
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Speaker 2: stay true.

785
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: It's true to yourself. That's and that's always been me.

786
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Speaker 2: It's how I passed gun control in a Republican legislature.

787
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Speaker 2: We raised the age of twenty one after the shooting,

788
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Speaker 2: we got red flag laws. I didn't do that by

789
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: lighting the Republicans on fire. I did that by bringing

790
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: them to the school, making them meet with parents, trying

791
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Speaker 2: to see that Look, yes, we want to protect the

792
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Speaker 2: Second Amendment, But isn't there mitigation we can do right

793
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Speaker 2: to kind of like lessen this problem. But that way

794
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: of thinking, Chuck is gone. Everything Trump touches as bad.

795
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Speaker 2: We can't we can't work with him, and don't get

796
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: me wrong. He's deserving of all of that. I mean,

797
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Speaker 2: just look at the look at what's going on here, okay,

798
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Speaker 2: I mean every day it's something new that you know,

799
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Speaker 2: wasn't in any book of political science I ever learned about.

800
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Speaker 1: Well, certainly not the version that you and I, you

801
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Speaker 1: and I grew up with, which you know, sometimes I

802
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of wonder if we ended up growing up in

803
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: an outlier period of American history, meaning the Cold War

804
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: kept both parties more sober, and then it, you know,

805
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: after the Cold War ends, that's when you saw both

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: parties start to move further and further away from each other.

807
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Speaker 1: If you look at that that I used to work

808
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: in National Journal and we used to do these vote rankings,

809
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Speaker 1: and you know, who was the most liberal Republican, Who's

810
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: the most conservative voting Democrat? For thirty years, there was

811
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Speaker 1: always the lines always crossed, And sometime in about twenty

812
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Speaker 1: oh nine to twenty ten, they started to be here, right,

813
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Speaker 1: You'd get like Mansion and Collins, and it's farther and

814
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Speaker 1: farther away because politically it's hard to even support a Bipartisanville.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and look, jerry mandering is a big piece

816
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: of how we got here. But also, Chuck, let's be honest,

817
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: the amount of foreign interference that's going on now online

818
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: especially looks like one aircraft carrier.

819
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Speaker 3: Okay, they're not going to beat us militarily. Neither are

820
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Speaker 3: the Russians.

821
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Speaker 2: They're not military threats from the Pentagon standpoint. So what

822
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Speaker 2: they've done is if they have invested heavily on trying

823
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Speaker 2: to divide us from within, getting Democrats and Republicans foaming

824
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Speaker 2: out the mouth, get us to hate each other, divide

825
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: us division all the time, create enemies, create boogeymen, do

826
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Speaker 2: all of that, and by the way, they have had

827
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Speaker 2: tremendous success doing that. We are at each other's throats.

828
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Speaker 2: And if we're at each other's throats, then we can't

829
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Speaker 2: make decisions. If nine to eleven happened tomorrow, god forbid

830
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Speaker 2: another nine to eleven, you think we would come together

831
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Speaker 2: as Americans, we.

832
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Speaker 3: Would immediately start attacking each other.

833
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: Rather than focus on who who committed it, We'd immediately

834
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Speaker 2: start the blame game.

835
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this comes and this is where leadership matters, right.

836
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Speaker 1: We always are reflected by how the president sets the tone,

837
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Speaker 1: and there's no he doesn't believe in when win there's

838
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: one winner and one loser. And if he's succeeding somebody

839
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Speaker 1: else in the.

840
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Speaker 2: Talladega Knights version of politics, if you're not first, your last.

841
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Speaker 1: So let's I want to you. You mentioned two important

842
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: laws you got passed. Governor Rick Scott signed them into law,

843
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Speaker 1: and it was raising the age and it was the

844
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Speaker 1: red flag warnings and now both I believe have they

845
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Speaker 1: have they repealed the twenty one completely.

846
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Speaker 2: They're all still there. They're all still there. The House

847
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: they're trying, right, Yeah, the House, the House has tried.

848
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Speaker 2: The Senate has stopped them. But seven years later, we

849
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Speaker 2: still have twenty one in Florida, and we still have

850
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Speaker 2: red flag laws, even though.

851
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Speaker 1: The governor's trying to get rid of it.

852
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Speaker 2: Right, correct, but hasn't hasn't succeeded, and quite rankant Trump,

853
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Speaker 2: hasn't he put a ton of capital into it. Yeah,

854
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: he's tried, but he hasn't really tried. You don't want

855
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: to know why he hasn't tried. You know how many

856
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: times red flag laws have been used in Florida and

857
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Speaker 2: seven years now since we've put them in.

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Speaker 3: Place, over twenty thousand times.

859
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Speaker 2: It's being used more by Republican sheriffs than democratic sheriffs,

860
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: getting hands out of the getting guns out of the

861
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: hands of people who are your number.

862
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: Those are the most supportive of this law. Where the

863
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: sheriffs weren't they all? You know, the sheriffs are probably

864
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: politically more right leaning than left leaning, but this was

865
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: always something law enforcement has been dying for something like that.

866
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: We're seeing that it's stopping domestic violence. We're seeing that

867
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: it's helping veterans who are having or suffering from PTSD,

868
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: We're seeing that it's stopping suicides. And yes, obviously it's

869
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: preventing you know, mass casualty events by getting guns out

870
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: of the people who are clearly a danger to themselves

871
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: and a danger to others.

872
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: So is the same issues that make it hard to

873
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: do much governing at all across the board? Is would

874
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: you assess that it's the same issue here when you

875
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: look at look at the Minneapolis shooting. Frankly, you hate

876
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: to say this, but they all look at the same right, meaning,

877
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: you know, the reaction is the same. People take what

878
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: they politically believe they want to get done and say see,

879
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: we told you so. And it's always an or. I

880
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: always say, there's or or is it an and issue?

881
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: And to me, we need to look at access to

882
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: guns and mental health and school security and language divisive

883
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: language on the internet. It seems that it has to

884
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: be all of the above, and that seems to be

885
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: you would think that would be an easy thing to sell.

886
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 1: That's actually how hard thing to sell.

887
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, That's actually what we did in Florida.

888
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: So in Florida, we raised the age of twenty one,

889
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: We did three d waiting periods, we did in flag laws.

890
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

891
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: Then we mandated soros in every school. Right, putting guns

892
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: in schools, right, we.

893
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: Are basically police officers. So right with police officers.

894
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: Correct, So a police officer in every school.

895
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: Then we put hundreds of millions of dollars into mental health.

896
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: We mandated a mental health counselor in high schools. We

897
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: mandated mental health, a mental health program every school board.

898
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: We then put hundreds of millions of dollars into creating

899
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: secure campuses, okay, by making sure that we had single

900
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: points of entry. We put money into video camera systems,

901
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: alert systems, because the response is also a big failure

902
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: in a lot of these events and lead to more tragedies.

903
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: We change the programs and the school board. Now there

904
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: are threat assessments right, so that we can identify someone

905
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: who needs help. Earlier, we did the kitchen sing. We

906
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: threw the kitchen sink. I didn't get everything I wanted

907
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: on gun policy. That's okay, that's what compromise means. But

908
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: my Republican colleagues moved out of their corner, and so

909
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: I moved out of mine, and we came to an agreement.

910
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I don't know that we could

911
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: do that again. I really don't know. In the seven

912
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: years the change that has gone on, no one feels

913
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: that they need to move because there's.

914
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: No reward for moving truck, no reward.

915
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: The reward is for staying in your corner, not for

916
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: actually so solving a problem, but just looking tough.

917
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the it's when you look at I actually have

918
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: a specific question. This happened at a private Catholic school.

919
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Does did your law apply to private and charter schools? Importantly?

920
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it does. Yeah it does apply where?

921
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: Because it does seem as if we know we throw

922
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: all this we can throw all this money at public schools,

923
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: how does a private school get that taxpayer security money.

924
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, they're going to have to do an after

925
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: action review obviously to figure out where the gaps were.

926
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: Right.

927
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: First of all, this kid was posting for a month online, right,

928
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: So what did the FBI miss here? Did the FBI

929
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: miss it because they're busy doing other stuff? Did the

930
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: FBI miss it because they've cut the amount of people

931
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: that work at the FBI. Did they miss it because

932
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: they are now underfunding programs? We don't know? That should

933
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: be part of the after action review that goes on here.

934
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: How did he get on campus?

935
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: Okay? You know where did he get his weapon from? Okay?

936
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: You know how did he How did he get through

937
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: the door? Okay? All of that stuff needs to be

938
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: looked at.

939
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Private schools in Florida can draw down state grant money,

940
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: They can apply for state grant money.

941
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

942
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: In fact, in Florida they've gone even further. Kids that

943
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: go to private school right, they now get a grant

944
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: in general to attend that private school. Okay, The schools

945
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: are very expensive here now, and they put a ton

946
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: of money towards security. But but yes, this is this

947
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: is all about figuring out what failed, Right, That's what

948
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: we did here when we saw what failed in Douglas.

949
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: We did you if you could have waived a magic

950
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: wand from what you learned from Parkland, you know, if

951
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: you could be king for a day, what would be

952
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: the what would what do you think is the best answer?

953
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem, truck. When these things happened, one

954
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: thing doesn't fail. It's not one point of failure. So

955
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: it's not like, oh, if I just got rid of

956
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: AR fifteen's this would end. No, I wouldn't. He would

957
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: have come in with handguns. He was there for he

958
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: was there for minutes. There were no police because the

959
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: officer didn't run into the building, and you would have

960
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: killed as many people as he could with his handguns. Okay,

961
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: So one thing doesn't fix it here. That's why it

962
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: is an all of the approach. You can't just do

963
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: all of one category. You can't just do SROs. We

964
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: had an SRO at Douglas.

965
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: He decided to stay outside because he didn't want to die.

966
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: So the other issue, obviously is rhetoric online and when

967
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: do you ticket seriously, when do you let it go?

968
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: There's censorship questions and what's interesting about this issue, as

969
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: you said, there was all this there's in hindsight now

970
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: all these red flags given what he was doing online.

971
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: We obviously the entire online conversation. Frankly, as a parent,

972
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: you feel like you have very little ability to sort

973
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: of to to monitor it or to prevent it. We're

974
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: all at the mercy of these five big tech companies.

975
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: And I think about the other thing you brought up,

976
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: which is, hey, we have foreign adversaries that are intentionally

977
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: trying to use essentially social media to do this. So

978
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: this is a this is a societal problem that on

979
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: one hand is a problem for our young men and

980
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: boys right now, but it's also this larger problem in

981
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: our society as a whole. How do we deal with

982
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: this big tech issue.

983
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, it's a big piece to the

984
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: puzzle here.

985
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean that the TikTok piece, okay, is a huge

986
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: piece on how we're going to control how propaganda gets

987
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: fed to the American people TikTok. And I don't want

988
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: to be clear, I don't want to ban TikTok, right,

989
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: but you have to also recognize it's a psyops weapon. Okay,

990
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: there's a reason why I'm not allowed to have it

991
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: on my official devices.

992
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Hey man, I won't put it on my phone because

993
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: if you guys won't, I'm sitting there going, well, look,

994
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm having a harder time trusting

995
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: my government these days. But that's a separate issue. But

996
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: I am I'm awfully My kids are both on it,

997
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, but they're now grown adults and there's nothing

998
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I can do about that. But I certainly see how

999
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: it can easily be a sy op. And I guess

1000
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: I could argue, why shouldn't we ban it?

1001
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 2: No listen in India has banned it, okay. And China's

1002
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: TikTok is not our TikTok. Theirs is an educational program, okay.

1003
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: So they're making their kids smarter, they're making our kids dumber.

1004
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: They're feeding our kids false information. I mean, don't get

1005
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: me wrong. Twitter or x is also a cesspool of

1006
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: hate and garbage, but there at least is community notes.

1007
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: TikTok has no community notes.

1008
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when that letter from the love

1009
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: letter from Osama bin Laden was circling on TikTok.

1010
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?

1011
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: And American kids were reading the love letter and they

1012
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: were like, man, Osama bin Laden was right, and all

1013
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: of a sudden, China was like, oh shit, that we're

1014
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: getting caught in our algorithm.

1015
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: They took it down. Okay, that is the power.

1016
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: Of that should have showed every American, Oh my god,

1017
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: look what they can do. And so what they're doing,

1018
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: because China thinks a one hundred years, thousand years, what

1019
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: they're doing is getting us addicted, getting it attached, get it,

1020
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: setting the seeds, getting it fully ingrained in society.

1021
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: Right, and that way with.

1022
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: The young people of the eighteen to thirty five demographic

1023
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: right now, thirty percent of them get their news exclusively

1024
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: from TikTok. They don't check a second source. So with

1025
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: young people, they can move them whatever direction. You ever

1026
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: hear about what the Chinese do to the Wigers on TikTok? Right,

1027
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: do you think any of the kids in school know

1028
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: anything about the Wigers? They know everything about Gaza, they

1029
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: know nothing about the Wigers. They don't know that China's

1030
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: got a genocide going on over there, right, scrubbed from

1031
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: the platform, Right, that's how you do a syops operation.

1032
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, you just made the case to ban it.

1033
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: I voted for It's why most of Congress voted for it.

1034
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Force the sale, you know, China's position on this was interesting.

1035
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: They were like, no, no, we're not going to sell

1036
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: it and make millions of dollars.

1037
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: Hundreds of millions.

1038
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: To me, that's what it was. The tell They were like,

1039
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: we're going to make more money. Oh no, no, no,

1040
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: we'd rather shut it down.

1041
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: We'd rather shut it down.

1042
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: Well, because we can't get the source code, chuck, because

1043
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: if we get the source code, we can see what

1044
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: they've been doing.

1045
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Gets it to a larger, larger issue. I mean, look,

1046
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: I am I was reading an interesting piece talking about

1047
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: young men in the issue of pornography, right and and

1048
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: these and I think they've I've been glad to see

1049
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: it's more red states than blue states, but as a

1050
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: parent that trying to at least put some hurdles in pornography.

1051
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be so easy to get on the internet, shouldn't

1052
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: be so easy, And how it's really sort of really

1053
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: negatively impacted the way young people interact, the way they date,

1054
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: all of these things. And yet the First Amendments, the

1055
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: First Amendment, what are some of the lines that you

1056
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: think government could be doing more with here on a

1057
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: federal level in order to sort of clean up this

1058
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: social media mess.

1059
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a problem with the age verifications

1060
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: with pornography. That's fine. Age verifications are great.

1061
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: We have to start trying to protect our kids right

1062
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: from being just totally sold everything as soon as they

1063
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: get onto the internet, right to being part of the

1064
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: grift that has gone. My kids are on YouTube, They're

1065
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: not on TikTok okay, but man, are they getting pitched

1066
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: everything at all days, at all seconds on YouTube?

1067
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: Like it is crazy.

1068
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: Be careful of that recommendation algorithm.

1069
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1070
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean my son when he first started on YouTube,

1071
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: he was just a baseball fan, just following that stuff,

1072
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he's in Joe Rogan's podcast,

1073
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Speaker 1: And when how did that happen? It happens fast.

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Speaker 2: It happens fast. I let them on YouTube, not in

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: their bedrooms. They got to do it in the living

1076
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: room so I can at least hear some of the stuff.

1077
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 3: And I got to be like, get off that.

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: I have to sometimes delete the app, try to reset

1079
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: the algorithms, try to clean it up. So yeah, there

1080
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: is no doubt that I think the majority of Americans

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: would do something, and the majority of elected officials would

1082
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: probably do something. But the tech lobbyist strong Chuck, The

1083
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: tech is.

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: No, it's it's replacing the healthcare industry and the defense

1085
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: industry right now.

1086
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: They're no question, they are one hundred percent stronger.

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that every one of these companies

1088
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: has their own Washington office, the fact that these CEOs

1089
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: have bought property in DC. You think they're doing it

1090
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: because they like hanging out at the wharf.

1091
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you don't think that.

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01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: The fact that all the tech titans were at the inauguration,

1093
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: sitting on stage with the president, that was a very

1094
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: clear message to me, one hundred percent.

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01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: So what's the is Normally I would expect a populist

1096
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: administration not to be in bed with some of these

1097
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: big titans here, but it does seem. I mean, I

1098
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: think I both know the average American doesn't want to

1099
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: be controlled by a corporation, and yet this issue with

1100
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: big tech and how much influence they have on us

1101
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: has actually been really hard to communicate to the average voter.

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: I you know, I've tried to come up with different ways,

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01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: and it's clear, you know, theoretically the voter's concerned about it,

1104
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think people really understand how it influences

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: their day to day lives.

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Chuck, it's it's like trying to get

1107
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: a drug addict to stop taking drugs.

1108
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: Right.

1109
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: I mean we collectively, me included, so I'm not passing

1110
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: judgment and others.

1111
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: We are addicted to this now.

1112
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: It's it is like smoking.

1113
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we are addicted. Okay.

1114
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: I mean you know it's tough to put the phone down.

1115
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: I deal with it all the time, trust me. I'm

1116
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm doom scrolling on Twitter too much. I'm just as guilty. Right,

1117
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: But trying to protect the kids, I think should be

1118
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 2: a separate conversation. Right.

1119
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: We all know it's not good.

1120
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: So we all know what's not good for twelve year

1121
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: olds and thirteen year olds having some age verifications, having

1122
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: some restrictions with age limits, right, doing more in that space.

1123
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: There should be some bipartisanship there among parents, right, But if.

1124
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: We if we don't, it's just a it's just a

1125
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: win for China.

1126
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: It does feel like if there's one area of bipartisan cooperation,

1127
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: it is on this potentially, right, This is something Marshall

1128
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: Blackburn seems to care about. Right, So, I mean, like

1129
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: and Brian Shatz in the Senate, right, And you're not

1130
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: going to get those two on the same on many

1131
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: bills that are exactly Yeah.

1132
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: And it's gonna take it's gonna take action in Washington

1133
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: because look, obviously there's parental responsibility.

1134
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: So my kids are not allowed on it during.

1135
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: The week They're allowed to do it on the weekends. Right,

1136
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: So that's my that's our rule in the house.

1137
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1138
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: But their friends are on it.

1139
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: I can't keep them totally away from it, right, They're

1140
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: going they're left out. They still learn and stuff from

1141
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: other people, right, that stuff that's not on their YouTube,

1142
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: it's on their friends YouTube.

1143
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1144
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 3: So you can't put your kids in a cukon right.

1145
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: So this is going to take parents from both sides

1146
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: to figure out, how do we protect our kids until

1147
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: they're adults. How do we protect our kids from being

1148
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: targets from companies or foreign governments who are very active

1149
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: on all of these all of these platforms.

1150
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: Let me shift slightly. It's actually related you brought you

1151
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: alluded to it, and I have actually done some survey

1152
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: work on this, which is if among eighteen to thirty

1153
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: year olds, those that use TikTok have a much more

1154
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: negative view about Israel than those that don't use TikTok.

1155
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: The Democratic Party right now is Look, I always say

1156
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm pro Israel and I don't like Babi okay, and

1157
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm aligned with the majority of Israelis. And

1158
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: to a lot of my friends on the left, they

1159
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: sometimes don't even realize the majority of Israelis don't like

1160
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: BB's policies right now and have real issues with it.

1161
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: But it feels like that the Democratic Party as a

1162
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: whole is losing the nuance on this issue.

1163
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 3: Do you yes, I look that one hundred percent.

1164
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: And obviously we could do twelve hours on I know

1165
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: we could on this issue alone. I mean, look, obviously,

1166
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: most Democrats don't like the president, disagree with the president,

1167
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: hate president. Most Democrats still love their country, right, Okay,

1168
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: you know so, But with Israel, it isn't just BB.

1169
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: It becomes the country. It's different. And so look, Israel,

1170
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: there is double and triple standards.

1171
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1172
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: We didn't get fed the genocide that was committed in Syria.

1173
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: I didn't have any I didn't have any kids talking

1174
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 2: to me about what Asad did to his own people

1175
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: or what's gone on in the Sudan, okay, or what's

1176
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: gone on in other areas in Africa, or like with

1177
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: the Wigers. I don't hear about any of that. No

1178
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: one talks to me about it. And I'm not saying

1179
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: what isn't going on in Gaza isn't horrific, It's terrible, Okay.

1180
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: I want the war to end. I want the hostages out.

1181
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: I want everybody fed, right, I want everyone fed. Yes,

1182
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: I want everyone fed.

1183
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'd be in favor of sending

1184
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: in the Marines to feed everybody while we dealt with this.

1185
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: Correct.

1186
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you know, I'm all for that.

1187
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: Correct, one hundred percent. But the reason why there are

1188
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: protests in the street on this issue and not the

1189
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: other problems. First of mean, how many people have died

1190
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: in the Ukraine Russian War? A million plus people have

1191
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: died there, over a million. There's fifty thousand kids that

1192
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: have been kidnapped there. Okay, you see any protests in

1193
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: the street on that, chuck, No, Because what's happening is

1194
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: the Chinese, the Russians, the grifters, the Katari's right, they

1195
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: want to bog America down in this problem. They want

1196
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: to get us divided. This is an easy target. The

1197
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: Russians don't like.

1198
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: That we're in Ukraine.

1199
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: The Chinese don't like really anything that we do or

1200
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: our position on Taiwan. Right, sell this to the next generation,

1201
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: Sell this to the American people.

1202
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: By the way, what are the Chinese doing for the Gazans?

1203
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: Have you figured that out?

1204
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: I know what they're doing it for the Gazzens zero? Right,

1205
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: so are the Russians zero?

1206
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: Okay?

1207
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: But but this is this is something that has been

1208
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: completely weaponized. But when I didn't want to be clear

1209
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: when I say that this has been weaponized, I don't

1210
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: want to minimize the suffering that is going on in Gaza.

1211
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is our problem with our politics

1212
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: is that nobody can handle that two things can be

1213
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: true at the same time.

1214
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: That's correct, That's correct.

1215
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: I can't say I support Israel, right and then not

1216
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: be called genocide Jared, which is what I get called.

1217
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: I get screamed at.

1218
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1219
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean my grandparents a escape the Holocaust. Right, you know,

1220
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: what's going on in Gaza is a war.

1221
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: Okay, is mortified by what's happening in Gaza and is

1222
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: highly critical of BB you know, And that's That's what

1223
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: really frustrates me is that there are people on the

1224
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: left I don't understand, know, you know who's the you

1225
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 1: know who's more has pained about this. A large chunk

1226
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: of the Jewish committee in this world.

1227
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, listen, even some of the most pro israel

1228
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 2: Jews that I know, and you're talking to one of them. Right,

1229
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: look at what they did with Hesbelah, brilliant well executed.

1230
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: Look at what they did with the Iranians, brilliant well executed.

1231
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: Look at Gaza and say, those don't look alike. What

1232
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: there's no strategy, there's no endgame, right, what is going

1233
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: on here?

1234
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: Okay?

1235
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: You know this idea that we're just going to pick

1236
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: up a million Gosms and move them to the Congo

1237
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: is never going to happen, right, And so these right

1238
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: wing elements of Ben Gavie and Small Trich, I mean,

1239
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: the damage they're causing to the Jewish community around the

1240
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: world is not just existential, it may be permanent for

1241
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: the remainder of my lifetime.

1242
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's this generational. You're right, I I you know,

1243
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: I always said, look I I my father I wasn't Jewish,

1244
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: my mother's Jewish obviously I'm Jewish. I raised my kids Jewish,

1245
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: but my last name didn't automatically doesn't automatically send a

1246
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: signal that maybe I'm Jewish or not, and maybe I

1247
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: hid in plain sight. Sometime around twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

1248
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: boyd you know suddenly it was the first time. And

1249
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: I have a friend of mine and I both said this,

1250
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: he's a little bit old than I am. I said,

1251
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, my mom would tell me stories about anti Semitism.

1252
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like, really, mom, that really happened, you know,

1253
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: be the fifties. I was like, come on, you know,

1254
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: we're not that way anymore. And then all of a sudden,

1255
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: the way the last five years have gone, I'm like, oh,

1256
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: every story my mother told me about her her days

1257
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: is like the only Jewish family in a Midwestern town. Yeah,

1258
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I get it. I see it. And it took a

1259
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: generation to clean that up. And I guess here we

1260
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: go again.

1261
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: No, Chuck, it's happening again. My grandmother was part of

1262
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: the kinder transport out of Berlin. Her parents were killed

1263
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: in Auschwitz. It's happening again. What was happening on college campuses?

1264
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: They'd see a Jewish student they would just see a

1265
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: Jewish star. He wasn't Israeli. They didn't know if he

1266
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: supported bb He maybe against against NET and Yahoo. But

1267
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: they circled him, assaulted and kept him from going to

1268
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 2: class because he's just Jewish. Right, they're vandalizing Jewish stores,

1269
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, holding up a sign at the protest. Go

1270
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: back to Poland that doesn't really sound like you have

1271
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: a problem with the net in Yahoo administration. So people say, hey,

1272
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: can you be anti Zionists without being anti Semitic? And

1273
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: I would say, in theory, you could, But most of

1274
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: this movement is just not They're conflating the two things.

1275
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 2: One of my constituents is being sentenced tomorrow, okay, because

1276
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: he tried to kill me all over Israel right practicing

1277
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: target practicing in his backyard, had a manifesto I was

1278
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: the target. He was googling where my wife worked, what

1279
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: temple I belonged to. He had a rifle, a sniper,

1280
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 2: a scope, a vest, unlimited rounds of ammunition.

1281
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: He was a former felon.

1282
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: The only reason we knew about this is because when

1283
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: he was target practicing in his backyard, his neighbor called

1284
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: the police and he was arrested because he was a

1285
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: former feling otherwise not on the radar, Totally targeted just

1286
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: because of my positions on Israel. Okay, this is not

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Speaker 2: an isolated story. I have police in front of my

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Speaker 2: house twenty four hours a day now. Other members are

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Speaker 2: experiencing this, and other members see this and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen to me, so.

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Speaker 3: They're totally silent. Totally silent.

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Speaker 1: Look, this is equivalent. This is exactly what's happened with

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Speaker 1: Mega and Republicans. You know, there's a couple of Republican

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Speaker 1: senators during the whole Pete Hegseth controversy, and there was

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Speaker 1: a majority not to confirm him, and then there were threats,

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Speaker 1: literal threats, protests against the life of staffers. In the

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Speaker 1: world of Joni Ernst family, members of Tom Tellis. I

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: heard all sorts of stories about the two of them

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Speaker 1: being targeted, and they both caved. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't begrudge them came. I get it right. They

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Speaker 1: have people are being harassed that didn't get elected office,

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Speaker 1: and so you feel protected. You feel like you've got

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Speaker 1: to protect your family, you feel like you should protect

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Speaker 1: those Hey, they didn't sign up for this. I did

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Speaker 1: type of thing. So I understand. I'm sorry they couldn't

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Speaker 1: stand up to the moment, but I have empathy for

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Speaker 1: what they were. They were trying to in some ways

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Speaker 1: thinking they were protecting their own families or their own friends.

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Speaker 1: But this is what happens, right, when intimidation over time,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all principles are gone.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen right back to your whole point about

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Speaker 2: how Trump is affecting the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: You were worried about that. Trump has changed the whole thing, right,

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,480
Speaker 3: So yes, he intimidation politics.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: When people view what Trump is doing in his success,

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Speaker 2: intimidation politics works. So they're just doing their intimidation politics

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Speaker 2: on their issue, and it is absolutely having an effect

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Speaker 2: on what can get done in Congress.

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Speaker 3: What can't that get done in Congress?

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Speaker 2: Whether you communicate on something, whether you stay silent, whether

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Speaker 2: you avoid a target on your back, and whether you cave.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, there is lots of caving

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Speaker 2: going on on a bunch of issues because of intimidation politics.

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Speaker 1: Republican Democrat, I'm curious what kind of outreach do you

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Speaker 1: get from Netanyahu's government because you know, it's clear to

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Speaker 1: me they've really messed this up, right they You know,

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Speaker 1: I think what Bibe did during the Obama years is

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Speaker 1: he you know, he drove a bigger wedge inside the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party in this issue, no doubt, no doubtet that

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Speaker 1: happens simply he he is the cause of this problem.

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Speaker 1: He is one of the part of the root cause here.

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Speaker 1: And now you've got a majority of the country that

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to send give aid right now at Israel.

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Speaker 1: And that's all due to Bbi's leadership.

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Speaker 3: Do you majority of the Democrats, a majority of the

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Speaker 3: Democrats in the sense good.

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Speaker 1: And a big third way a chunk of third.

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Speaker 3: Of Republicans third Democratic primary voters.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like it's he's got unanimous support on

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Speaker 1: the right either.

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Speaker 3: No, what's going on in the right is a new thing. Right.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Republicans used to be.

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Speaker 2: Able to point out Democrats and say they're an anti

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Speaker 2: Israel party. But now there's this movement on the right,

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Speaker 2: you know, Tucker Carlson, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, there's a real there's please you know, as I joke,

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Speaker 1: when I hear the words populism as a Jew, I

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Speaker 1: run for cover because populism has been you know, somehow

1350
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Speaker 1: the Jews are always targeted when the rise of populism,

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Speaker 1: whether it's on the left or the right.

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the usual conspiracy theories are all back.

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01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 3: But I I.

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Speaker 2: Would tell you, look, the majority of people in Congress

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01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: are still very pro Israel Israel, but there is there

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Speaker 2: is a shift coming in the Democratic Party. There is

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Speaker 2: a shift coming in the voter in twenty six, and

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Speaker 2: there'll be a shift coming on the voter in twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: It will be a shift to the actual voting issue.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not convinced this, but we're going to find out.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it's a voting issue like you

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Speaker 2: go to the ballot box.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to vote right, a true one issue like

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Speaker 1: abortion and guns. We know there are voters that will say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm voting on this issue first and

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Speaker 1: everything else is secondary for me.

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Speaker 2: But the people will be treated differently by the base

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Speaker 2: when they're trying to run a primary in twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say, okay, everyone's going to try to out

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Speaker 2: left themselves on this particular issue, especially Chuck. If the

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Speaker 2: war is still going on, God forbid, Yeah, Okay, if

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Speaker 2: this is still fresh. If this is still going on,

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: we're going to eat ourselves alive. And the replys I

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Speaker 2: got to sit back and watch.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about. Does that Yahoo government can

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Speaker 1: get that? Hey, at some point.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure Chuck's all going to go away. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure that they.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think they've seen the shift in the policy,

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Speaker 2: are now worried about AID.

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Speaker 3: The question is do they care?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a second question. Okay.

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Speaker 2: No one can deny some of the decisions that they've made.

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Speaker 2: We can debate whether it was good or bad for Israel,

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Speaker 2: but it's definitely not been good for Jews around the world.

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Speaker 2: We can debate why that's happened, and who's weaponized that,

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: and who's taking advantage and is there a double triple standard?

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Speaker 2: And is this the same old thing that's happened for

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Speaker 2: thousands of years. We can debate that to the cows

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Speaker 2: come home home? Okay. But but there's no doubt that

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Speaker 2: the net Yahu government didn't care about the pr perception

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Speaker 2: of this. They were focused on the war on the ground,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't realize that there was a war for

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Speaker 2: hearts and minds online and by the time they realized it,

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Speaker 2: they lost, is it?

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Speaker 1: You know? I said this to a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: and he's sort of laughing, sort of agreed. Which is

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Speaker 1: Israel in America have one thing in common. They have

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: unpopular leaders that they don't know how to get rid of.

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: Well, ours will eventually be gone. He's got three and

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01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 2: a half years left. Okay, but who knows what's going

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: on in Israel? Don't I don't know how what's the

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: timeline on that? Yah?

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 3: Un till his government collapses, till the war is over.

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01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: When's that? Well?

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: I every time his government collapse, he goes further to

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: the right and finds it way back in. I just

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: don't know how much further to the right he can go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, look, there's been shifts over there, right,

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01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: I mean there has been shifts.

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 3: October seventh moved them further to the right.

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Speaker 1: No, the majority of Israelis are no longer in favor

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: of the two state solution, are they?

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: Guess what, Chuck? After nine to eleven, which direction did

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01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: we move? Did we move to the left? No, we

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: moved to the right. We instituted the Patriot Act. Yeah, okay,

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01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: so this is what happens when countries are attacked in

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: large scale events. Okay, remember Hamas's goal here. Hamas's goal

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01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: isn't to win the war, Okay, it's to destroy Israel.

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 2: If that, if they if Hamas destroys themselves and Israel

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Speaker 2: at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Mission accomplished. I know, mission accomplished.

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01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: No, they're nilists.

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01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Israel looked at this.

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Speaker 2: Israel looked at this like we got to win on

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Speaker 2: the ground, We got to beat them on the ground.

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Speaker 2: And Hamas was playing up here like, yeah, we're losing.

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Speaker 2: You know, Hamas doesn't care what the Palestinians, they don't

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Speaker 2: care how many people. It's just it's new material for

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: Hamas to sell out there. They want that Israel's falling

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: into their propaganda hands.

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Speaker 3: And it's just it's been unfortunate to watch.

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Speaker 1: All Right. You predicted we could go on and on

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01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: on this issue, and I think both of us could

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Speaker 1: keep going. But I did promise I try to keep

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Speaker 1: you here in less than an hour. So I want

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Speaker 1: to end with the state of Florida politics, the state

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01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party in Florida. How much of this

1440
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: is a voter shift and how much of this is

1441
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: a lack of investment and leadership in the state party.

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: Well again, Chuck, there's not one thing that has gone

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01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: wrong to get us here.

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, being out of power for thirty years

1446
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: hard to raise money, okay, which helps with voter turnout,

1447
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, if when you're not empowered helps with you know,

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Speaker 2: quality of candidates.

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: Tallahassee is not like a great.

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 2: Place to go to, not easy to get to, especially

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Speaker 2: when the Democratic.

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01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 3: Base is from the South. Okay.

1453
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think you really got

1454
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 2: to look at COVID. COVID was a seminal moment in politics.

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01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 2: You know, even though we had more Democrats in Florida,

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Speaker 2: registered Democrats in Florida, you know, when Rick Scott got elected,

1457
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: when DeSantis got elected, when Jim Bush got elected, when

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Speaker 2: Charlie Chriss got elected, we still had more Democrats, but

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Speaker 2: we were still.

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Speaker 3: Electing Republican governors. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now there are one point two million more registered Republicans.

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Speaker 2: It's starting to get to a point that it's not recoverable,

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Speaker 2: at least not in the short term.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: But I think COVID was a big piece of it.

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Speaker 2: I think COVID was a big piece, and I was there,

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Speaker 2: I was involved in it. On on the other side,

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Speaker 2: I think, and I have.

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Speaker 1: How did Joe Biden only lose by three points? Then?

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Speaker 3: How did you only lose it?

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Speaker 1: He lost Florida in twenty twenty by just three points.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, as Joe Biden would say, don't

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Speaker 2: judge me against the almighty, judge me against the alternative.

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Speaker 2: And so twenty twenty, right, we were still mid COVID, okay,

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Speaker 2: and you know, people wanted to change. They wanted to change, right,

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Speaker 2: and so that was a mood politic.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Ronda Stantis won his reelection in Florida by nineteen

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Speaker 2: points and Donald Trump and Donald Trump has won Florida

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Speaker 2: by thirteen points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So the policies that came out of COVID, closing of schools,

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Speaker 2: the fact that Florida opened schools early because the data

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: was clear it wasn't spreading in schools, right, that's a

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Speaker 2: big piece, Chuck. I mean, and I was telling my

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Speaker 2: Democratic colleagues, like guys read the data.

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Speaker 3: Like I would sit at a conference table with the governor.

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Speaker 2: We'd be reading the data from Denmark, right, and Germany

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01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: and Europe because they were ahead of us, and it was.

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Speaker 3: Clear it wasn't spreading in the schools. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And I said to my Democratic colleagues, I'm like, when

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Speaker 2: we open schools, it's going to be very popular when

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01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: you guys come out and tell parents you want to

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: keep their kids in the house for another year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm telling you this is where this is going.

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Speaker 2: And none of my colleagues wanted to hear it, Chuck,

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Speaker 2: none of them wanted to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Is that the power of the teachers union? That would you?

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Speaker 1: Would you ascribe it to that or is it just.

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Speaker 2: Part it's part teachers union, part teachers union part. Also,

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01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: we were at a point of polarization that if DeSantis

1502
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: wanted to open government, I had to be open schools.

1503
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 2: Then I had to be against it. Then I had

1504
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 2: to be against it. You know, things had become so

1505
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: toxic at that point. And so I don't know what

1506
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: the future, the future of the Democratic Party holds in Florida.

1507
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: Democrats had powered Florida for one hundred plus years. We

1508
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: are thirty five years into Republican rule. We may be

1509
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: here for another seventy so but but right now, right now,

1510
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: there's a systemic.

1511
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 3: This is a red state. It's a systemic red state.

1512
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: There was no repercussion for Republicans when they passed the

1513
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 2: abortion ban. Okay, there was no repercussion for Republicans when

1514
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: they didn't legalize marijuana. There's been no repercussion for the

1515
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: Republicans on anything they have done politically, all the social issues,

1516
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: all the attacking of the LGBTQ community, No political consequences, Chuck,

1517
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: So I.

1518
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: Guess the question, well, and that's just are there no

1519
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: consequences there's there's not a good opposition, or are there

1520
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: no consequences because there there's just more more supporters than opposition,

1521
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, all of it.

1522
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: There's more supporters in opposition the opposition. You know, as

1523
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: we've been in the desert so long, can't figure you

1524
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: know which way is up? Okay, we fight amongst ourselves.

1525
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: Democrats are excellent at that. Like, you know, Democrats are

1526
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 2: having policy fights. Republicans are not having policy fights, right,

1527
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: They're having personality fights.

1528
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: They had a big fight. I mean, you know, it

1529
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: is funny you say that, but I look at you

1530
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: know the rules of party politics for decades where the

1531
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: party that's divided in a primary usually loses a general

1532
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: and frankly, in sixteen it was just the opposite. Right,

1533
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: the Republicans looked like they were totally divided, and all

1534
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: that did is that divice. It's why I actually think

1535
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: the Democrats could use a big public fight. This is healthy,

1536
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: have it go. You know. I worry that actually debates

1537
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: being stifled a little bit because of part of it

1538
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: has to do with social media, where only the leftists

1539
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: got the loudest voice on social media. So anybody that's

1540
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: not from that wing of the party.

1541
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 3: Well that's the problem. The moderates aren't in the fight. Chuck.

1542
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the moderates aren't in the fight because they're not

1543
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: paying attention and they're a general election voter. They're not

1544
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: a primary voter. So there are in a primary voter.

1545
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: Those people don't have voices, they don't want to participate.

1546
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 2: They got their own lives, they're doing other stuff.

1547
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,959
Speaker 3: And so that public fight that you're talking.

1548
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 2: About isn't going to happen, okay, And so all I'm

1549
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: saying is that even if we had the public fight,

1550
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: we could we then coalesce?

1551
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: Could we coalesce? Could we come back? A lot of

1552
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:24,839
Speaker 3: people stayed home.

1553
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 4: On Harris didn't vote for Harris.

1554
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: Let me give you a riddle that Dan Pfeiffer tweeted.

1555
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: He said, in twenty twenty eight, he was talking about

1556
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: the Mum Donnie primary in New York and because there's

1557
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: a lot of moderates uncomfortable supporting Mum Donnie. And his

1558
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: argument was to these moderates why they had to support

1559
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie. And his argument was this, if if a

1560
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: moderate wins the Democratic primary for president in let's say

1561
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 1: it's Shapiro or Bashir, there's going to be an expectation

1562
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: that the progressives get on board. And if a progressive win,

1563
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: should the should the same rule go the other way?

1564
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 1: What do you say to that? What do you say

1565
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: to Feiffer in that sort of line of thinking, I.

1566
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: Would say, I was at the convention for Hillary when

1567
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: the Bernie people bowed her. I was there, So this

1568
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: is this is not a news thing, right, Okay, all right,

1569
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: That's what I would say, Like, let's go backwards a

1570
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: little bit, okay.

1571
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:32,839
Speaker 3: And yes, we always say.

1572
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: To the progressives, you got to get on board with

1573
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: a moderate, and they always bitch and complain and throw

1574
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 2: it in our faces.

1575
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: And that's fine, okay.

1576
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 2: But you know, when it came time to trying to

1577
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: beat Donald Trump, okay, and maybe they didn't understand the

1578
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: existential threat that he was. Okay, a lot of the

1579
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Bernie people weren't on board, Chuck right, they weren't.

1580
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 3: They weren't on board.

1581
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 2: And so you know, and that's a question that Democrats

1582
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: have to ask themselves. Do they want purity or do

1583
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,839
Speaker 2: they want power? Republicans have made that decision. They want power.

1584
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: Power is the only thing that matter. In fact, Republicans

1585
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 2: tell me all the time, Jared, you should try it.

1586
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's great, Okay, But Democrats seem like we want purity.

1587
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: We want purity, right, we don't want power. And that's

1588
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 2: gonna be something we're gonna have to decide in twenty

1589
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: six and twenty eight.

1590
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: Do we want to win the House? Do we want

1591
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 3: to make Haakim Jeffrey speaker or do we.

1592
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: Want to nitpick some of the things we don't like

1593
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: about Hakim or the left doesn't like about Hakim?

1594
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 3: Okay?

1595
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Do we want to win in twenty eight or do

1596
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: we want someone who's so pure they're not electable. I mean,

1597
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: these are decisions that we're going to have to make.

1598
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you pick the most right leaning Democrat.

1599
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm advocating. What I'm advocating is is

1600
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: electability the only thing that matters. And I think at

1601
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 2: this point the Republicans have made that decision.

1602
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: It's power. Get everybody in line to win power.

1603
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: If this is the way we got to go to win,

1604
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: then that's what we're gonna do to win, period. And Democrats,

1605
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: we're having all these wonderful policy debates. We got our

1606
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 2: pie charts and our graphs, and we're gonna send out

1607
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: talking points with eighteen things on it that nobody reads.

1608
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

1609
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 2: Trump is selling blenders, he's throwing in free shipping, chuck. Okay,

1610
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: and we we we have we have lost it. There

1611
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: are people who know how to communicate, right, Like I

1612
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with everything on.

1613
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: AOC, but brilliant communicator, she knows how to do it.

1614
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: She's really good. I don't.

1615
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with mom, Donnie, brilliant communicator, knows

1616
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,719
Speaker 2: how to community. He had three things he sold people

1617
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: three things. That was it three and it was repetition,

1618
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 2: similar to Trump. Remember, no collusion, no collusion, no collusion.

1619
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: I had breakfast this morning. No collusion, Malania is beautiful.

1620
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: No collusion, no collusion, no collusion, Over and over and

1621
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: over again. This is this is how political communication works.

1622
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 3: Now.

1623
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: I have students that come up to me and they're like, Oh, Jared,

1624
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: I want to run for Congress. I am studying political science.

1625
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: I say, drop political science. No study comming, no study communication.

1626
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: You need to learn how to communicate. If you don't

1627
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: know how to communicate in today's politics, then good luck

1628
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: to you. It's the communicators that are going to rise

1629
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: on and know how to sell the package to the

1630
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: American people.

1631
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: There is a US Senate seat that is up in

1632
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Your name's been floated. Are you looking

1633
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: at it? And if not, why not?

1634
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 2: Well, what I would say is, I'm not looking at it.

1635
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking at reelection. But if for some reason Republicans

1636
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: decide to do all the jerrymandering and decide to set

1637
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: me free from my district, perhaps then I would look

1638
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: at it.

1639
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 3: Chuck, So I'm not.

1640
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: Looking Are you assuming you're going to get targeted?

1641
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 4: Oh?

1642
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely going to get targeted. I mean, my district's

1643
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: the closest in the state is Palm Beach.

1644
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I've sort of been watching Palm Beach. You know,

1645
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: there's always been this idea that the three counties are

1646
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: these rock blue counties, and of course, guess what, Miami

1647
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Dade has gone the other way. It's probably pretty much

1648
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty county, maybe slightly leaning right right

1649
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: now versus left, but it's right. It really is a

1650
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: a center right down the middle county. At the moment,

1651
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Broward is still a pretty rock solid Democratic county. Palm

1652
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Beach I would assume that the the more sort of

1653
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the magnet of Trump has had some impact in shifting

1654
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: your Palm Beach constituency a little bit to the right.

1655
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: Is that is that the case?

1656
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Not some impact? Major impact? It's okay.

1657
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: It started again with COVID, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut.

1658
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: Chicago came down to Florida.

1659
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 3: Republicans. Republicans moved here. Okay. You can see it just

1660
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 3: in the price of real estate.

1661
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Quite frankly so, Boca Ratone used to be a Democratic town.

1662
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: It's now a Republican town. I've lost Pokratone twice, noble

1663
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: to my elections.

1664
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a rock solid decount d town forever.

1665
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 3: Republished republican town.

1666
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not losing Boca by a point, I'm losing

1667
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,879
Speaker 2: Boca by six or seven points.

1668
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

1669
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 3: Now I'm a moderate dam who's pro israc.

1670
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: Pro Israel. I was just gonna say that should have

1671
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: been that should be just that, that should have been

1672
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: an eighty five percent number for you.

1673
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: It's there, But it's tough, Chuck.

1674
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: When DeSantis is winning by nineteen points and Trump's winning

1675
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: by thirteen points, those are headwinds and people are just

1676
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 2: voting down ticket. The fact that I'm outperforming Democrats by

1677
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: five points, I'm outperforming them in Parkland, where I'm front,

1678
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: I outperformed commonly here by nine points. Parkland's a republican town,

1679
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: is always voted for Republicans, has always been a republican town.

1680
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: The northern part.

1681
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Of the mistern Broward has always been a bit more

1682
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 1: conservative than than closer to the coast.

1683
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: Right, No, it's the other way. The coast is.

1684
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 1: The coast is republican.

1685
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: Okay, the coast, the coast is Republican. And so what

1686
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: what I think they'll try to do is they're going

1687
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 2: to try to take the district more north.

1688
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 3: Give me, give me del.

1689
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: Ray Palm Beach. Yeah, had a huge Haitian population. Is

1690
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 1: that that that.

1691
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 2: The further north, further north, that's where that I don't

1692
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 2: know that I'll go that north.

1693
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,480
Speaker 3: But look, I think there are probably.

1694
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Ways that they can take my DP plus two, you know,

1695
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: to to a zero. Right, they start to do other stuff,

1696
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna get They're gonna start getting in the way.

1697
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: That it's going to become a price between Schumer and

1698
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Jeffries for you. What's that It's going to be a

1699
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: fight between Schumer and Jeffries for you because Jeffries is

1700
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: going to want you to run because you're probably the

1701
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: only d that can win if they if they if

1702
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 1: they redo your district.

1703
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I actually hope we don't get there.

1704
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 2: I actually hope that I'm running for your election. They

1705
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: don't mess with fair districts and violate the Constitution. And

1706
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 2: then I help to make Hakeem Jeffrey speaker because no

1707
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: offense to Chuck Schumer flipping the Senate versus flipping the House.

1708
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: Different Democrats have to get a wing of government back.

1709
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 2: We have to for two reasons. One for the country too.

1710
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: If we don't win in twenty six. I don't know

1711
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: what will we left of the party.

1712
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. It is a it is It is

1713
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: pretty bleak. If somehow Democrats don't win anything in the

1714
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: mid terms of twenties.

1715
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 2: Well, Republicans are doing a great job, Jock with jerrymandering

1716
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 2: in that if they take to if California doesn't happen.

1717
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 2: And look, I've always been for independent commissions. Okay, back

1718
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: to your what should we do? Should we respond or

1719
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 2: should we send in our principal? I think what Gavin

1720
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: Newsom is doing is correct.

1721
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 3: You have to.

1722
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: He's going to the voters. I mean, I do think

1723
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: that California is different than these other places. I think

1724
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: they now the voter. They have to, But I actually

1725
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: think that deserves that's at least a small d Democratic

1726
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: way of fighting back. He's got to make his case

1727
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 1: to the voters in order to do this.

1728
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: No, no, But if that doesn't hap, Let's say the

1729
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: voters voted down. Let's say they rejected and Texas gets

1730
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 2: their five, and it's two in Ohio, and it's one

1731
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: in Missouri, and it's one in Indiana. We're at nine now, okay,

1732
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: and they do two or three in Florida, right, and

1733
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,839
Speaker 2: it's eleven seats now, twelve seats now, I mean.

1734
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: You can win the national popular vote and still not

1735
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: getting up that.

1736
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: That's that's correct, and so that's why we have no

1737
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: choice but to do this. It's not the game we

1738
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: wanted to play, but we have to play the game.

1739
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: We cannot unilaterally disarm. Stand in our laurels. It's an

1740
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 2: unfortunate situation.

1741
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1742
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: I like the president's position. By the way, it's just

1743
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: and he gets away with it. Texas, give me five seats. California,

1744
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to sue you for what you're doing.

1745
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: It's you know, I'd love to understand the psyche of

1746
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: our uh of of of the American public on this,

1747
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: because if Joe Biden behaved the exact same way, oh,

1748
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: forget it, there had been the twenty fifth I think

1749
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth Amendment might have been invoked.

1750
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 3: Forget it.

1751
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Remember when Trump said I could shoot someone in Fifth

1752
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Avenue get away with it.

1753
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 3: We thought that was just like an odd wait man, did.

1754
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 2: He really early, early, early understand the following that he

1755
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: had and could get away?

1756
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he just he knew it.

1757
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: He got away with it, And that has been I mean,

1758
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,839
Speaker 2: what is there anything. I mean, even sure the Epstein stuff.

1759
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 2: Maybe for the first time time right challenged his base.

1760
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know, Chuck, it's kind of gone right.

1761
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 2: I mean, they moved her.

1762
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 3: They moved her.

1763
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: My god, they manufactured something to release. It was actually

1764
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: weirdly brilliant. I'm going to send my personal lawyer, who

1765
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: now has works for the government to interview you. And oh,

1766
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: by the way, before we do the interview, let's openly

1767
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: talk about the pardon and a commutation.

1768
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: Chuck, it wasn't it's.

1769
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: Nice, it was it was. It was quite reason.

1770
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 2: I don't look good at necessarily is brilliant. I look

1771
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 2: at it as totally predictable. Remember the most parent, most

1772
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:40,520
Speaker 2: transparent administration in American history. How do we be transparent.

1773
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Let's go create a record that will then release, right,

1774
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: and we're not going to pardon her now, but we'll

1775
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 2: tell her, we'll move her, we'll give her on work release,

1776
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 2: and then we'll tell her wink wink, if you play along,

1777
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: that's how you get your pardon.

1778
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, this is this is easy to figure out.

1779
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 3: We were going this direction. But again, yeah, it looks

1780
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 3: like he got away with it.

1781
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: It does at some point. I don't think voters like

1782
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: to be lied to, right, and don't like to be

1783
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:11,440
Speaker 1: treated like stooges.

1784
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, but he's not on the ballot at Chuck,

1785
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 2: he's not on the ballot anymore. I mean, that's why

1786
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 2: when people say to me like, he's never leaving, he's.

1787
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 3: Running for tenths term, he'll be one hundred and fifty.

1788
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: Right, he's acting like a guy who knows he's not

1789
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: up for it.

1790
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: I know, I agree with that. I'm glad you said

1791
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 1: that he's thumb and luizing this a little bit. I complete,

1792
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: I weirdly think, and in fact, there's a part of

1793
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: me that wonders, is he's starting to see his mortality, right,

1794
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: he's staring mortality. He clearly is not very healthy right now,

1795
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: and suddenly that is motivating him to say, well, throwing

1796
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: all caution out the window. And yeah, I mean, come on, caution.

1797
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 3: There used to be I'm gonna get a plane from Qatar.

1798
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do about it? I'm not on

1799
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 2: the I'm not on the ballot again. I'm gonna build

1800
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 2: a bull ballroom, I'm gonna paint over the rose garden.

1801
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 3: What are you going to do about it. I'm not

1802
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 3: on the ballot again.

1803
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: I'm going to paint the whole Oval office goal because

1804
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: guess what, you can't do anything about it.

1805
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 3: I'm not on the ballot again. It just I'm going

1806
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 3: to put troops here. I'm going to do this. I'm

1807
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 3: going to do that.

1808
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be held accountable because one I'm

1809
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,520
Speaker 2: not on the ballot and two I have immunity.

1810
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Look, I've kept you past an hour, and I promised

1811
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: your staff I would keep this under an out and

1812
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 1: I had.

1813
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:22,520
Speaker 3: To say one more thing, Chuck before we go Ease.

1814
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 3: We just talked really.

1815
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 2: Quickly about what the administration has done to FEMA, because

1816
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 2: I think it's really important for your Listen.

1817
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm looked. This was going to be absolutely I'm petrified

1818
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: if a hurricane. Let's let's put it in real war terms.

1819
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: We are two days away. We're taping right now in

1820
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:40,480
Speaker 1: August twenty eighth. When this rolls next week, it'll be September.

1821
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: You know. I look at the calendar. My mother wished

1822
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: me a happy Andrew Anniversary on the twenty fourth. We

1823
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: know to on the twenty ninth is our Katrina anniversary.

1824
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 1: We know it's Florida. The likelihood there's what's gonna what

1825
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: is the FEMA response going to look like in October

1826
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 1: if a major storm hits South Florida.

1827
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 3: So let me say this.

1828
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 2: When Trump said FEMA needed reform, a lot of the

1829
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 2: emergency management industry said, he's right. FEMA does need reform

1830
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 2: because it doesn't work in Homeland. Homeland has stifled it.

1831
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 2: It can't move fast, Homeland has it doing grants that

1832
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be doing.

1833
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: Okay, and people.

1834
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: About Refermland just to the DHF, Department of Homeland Security, Partment.

1835
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 3: Of Homeland Security. Correct.

1836
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 2: And this has been something that previous FEMA administrators have said,

1837
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 2: Democrat and Republican. The last three, in fact, have said,

1838
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 2: we're dying in Homeland.

1839
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 3: You got to get it.

1840
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: I should it go? Would you just make it independent

1841
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: or it was an independent agency? Would you put it?

1842
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 3: Look, it was an independent agency beforehand.

1843
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: So if you couldn't make an independent agency, I don't

1844
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: know you could put it in the National Security Council.

1845
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that putting in the Pentagon, another giant

1846
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: bureaucracy helps the agency. But if you want to make

1847
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 2: it faster, right, you want to make response faster. That's

1848
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 2: a good goal, not what NOME has done. What NOME

1849
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 2: has done is actually the opposite. It's slower, it's more efficient.

1850
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 2: Now we don't have enough people. Everything that's that it

1851
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 2: was one hundred thousand dollars has to come to her

1852
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 2: so she can know where the money is going. That

1853
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 2: slowed down the response in Texas. The idea that we

1854
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: didn't put the swift water rescue crews on the road

1855
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 2: for three days, Chuck, I never heard anything in my

1856
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 2: life in emergency management. Everything we've ever learned. Put them

1857
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,879
Speaker 2: on the road, mobilize and move them from the Omaha district,

1858
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 2: move them from the New Orleans district. I mean the

1859
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 2: director of that program resigned days later because his people

1860
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: couldn't move. Totally crazy. Where do we stand. Here's where

1861
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: we stand, Chuck. If you had a Category four or

1862
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: five storm going to Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, they're in

1863
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 2: big trouble.

1864
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 3: South Carolina, North Carolina, they're in big trouble.

1865
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 2: Their state em departments cannot handle the logistics without FEMA.

1866
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 2: Then let's talk about the money expedited reimbursement they used

1867
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 2: to send money down really early before you waited for

1868
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: the rest if at twenty five percent of it would

1869
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 2: come down, program seems to be gone. How about pre

1870
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: landfall decks where you would get a land you'd get

1871
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 2: a declaration from the president two or three days before landfall,

1872
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 2: so that day you speed up the process. You can

1873
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: start spending money. You know you're gonna get reimbursement. Your

1874
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: cities and counties who might be fiscally constrained, they know

1875
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 2: that they're getting their stuff. They can start moving, you know,

1876
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 2: their logistics operations, their debris removal, their water, ice power restoration,

1877
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 2: all of these things. We don't know if we're getting

1878
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: pre landfall declarations. We're watching these declarations for other events.

1879
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 2: You know, we watched the governor of Arkansas who worked

1880
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: in the Trump administration's day for two weeks to get

1881
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 2: a declaration. So I can tell you I speak to

1882
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 2: a lot of state directors deathly worried, God forbid.

1883
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 3: We had a Northridge in California. Hasn't happened.

1884
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 2: In fact, there's no one really who went through that.

1885
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 2: That's still in emergency management. Okay, FEMA is not ready.

1886
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 2: So when they sent that letter and called it the

1887
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: Katrina declaration. What they're really trying to say is FEMA

1888
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 2: has to work in a Cat five. Sure, okay, you

1889
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 2: want states to handle Cat ones on there on their own,

1890
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 2: no problem, We could get there. But they can't do

1891
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: a Cat five on their own.

1892
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 3: It would take.

1893
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 2: Generations and generations of investment for them to build that capacity. Okay,

1894
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 2: But now FEMA's not ready for a Cat five. They're

1895
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 2: not ready for a Cat four. They're not ready to mobilize,

1896
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 2: they're not ready to prop it up in the event

1897
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 2: that happened. So in Florida and Texas, where we have

1898
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 2: better emergency management departments, okay, we'll fail better unless we

1899
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 2: get an Atlantic Atlantic storm that goes into Palm Beach,

1900
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: state of Brower. Okay, remember Dorian a couple of years

1901
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 2: ago that like paused over the.

1902
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 3: Bahamas and just destroyed the Bahamas. It was a Cat

1903
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 3: five storm stopped seventy five miles upper coast. How didn't

1904
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 3: come on shore right and just turned due north?

1905
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 2: Yep, right, God forbid we that that storm that was

1906
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,719
Speaker 2: erin right, didn't had turned over land and not over water.

1907
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:57,719
Speaker 2: We're we're not ready in those in the Tri County

1908
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: area without FEMA's health and we have one of the

1909
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: emergency management directors in the country and Kevin Guthrie. FEMA

1910
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 2: would have to move military assets, okay to this area

1911
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 2: in order to do swift water rescues. We would need

1912
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 2: the amount of food we would need to feed millions

1913
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 2: of people.

1914
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: I went through, Andrew. I mean, it was a catastrophe

1915
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:25,520
Speaker 1: and it was about two thirds of what the population

1916
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 1: is today down in Diad County.

1917
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 2: And don't ask me why, because I haven't been able

1918
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 2: to figure out the why. But Christy Nome has absolutely

1919
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 2: gutted and destroyed the agency. We talk about what's going

1920
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 2: on in the Department of Education, or Social Security or Medica,

1921
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 2: and FEMA doesn't get a lot of attention.

1922
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 3: FEMA is in worse shape than anything.

1923
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: It's weird about it. It goes against his sort of

1924
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, he wants to be the benevolent king, right Trump,

1925
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: So this you would think would actually be in his

1926
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 1: wheelhouse that he would want to be the savior. He

1927
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: would want to be the guy the way he wants

1928
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: to control interest rates and control this in a weird way.

1929
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he want more? This is the one thing

1930
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't want control for it My only thesis on

1931
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Speaker 1: this is he didn't like getting blamed for FEMA's mistakes

1932
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,440
Speaker 1: in his first term, so he's decided anything that provided

1933
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: that gave him a negative approval rating right Hurricane Maria

1934
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: down Puerto Rico and some of these other places. That's

1935
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: my only theory is that he didn't like that. He

1936
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: accumulated that if FEMA messed up, that he took, He

1937
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: took the fall. So now he wants to turn it

1938
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: into a state thing. It's my only explanation of why

1939
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 1: he's this way because on anything else, he wants more

1940
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: control when it comes to handing out money, not less. Well.

1941
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 2: Of course, FEMA is a political football, right, So that's

1942
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Speaker 2: and that's always been the case.

1943
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 3: I'll give you another theory. Any think I'm crazy when

1944
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 3: I say this.

1945
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Look, any theory these days with Trump is not crazy

1946
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: because they don't know.

1947
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 2: How about that the theory he didn't know, He didn't

1948
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 2: know actually what she was doing over there.

1949
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 3: They didn't know how bad it was. Similar to how

1950
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 3: like they didn't know that.

1951
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 2: We got rid of the guys that run like our

1952
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 2: nuclear program when we were doging everyone and they didn't know.

1953
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 3: And then found out later. I'll give you another sery.

1954
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: They didn't know, they didn't know what Christy and Corey

1955
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 2: Lewandowski had done over there, and they're finding out now.

1956
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 2: And the problem is, as you know, very easy to

1957
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: break this stuff, much hard harder to fix its.

1958
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: This was a test run. I mean we already you

1959
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: just pointed out that was actually a massive fem of

1960
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: failure whether Texas basically back Texas had a decent response,

1961
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: so it sort of covered up how bad the FEMA

1962
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 1: response was right.

1963
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 3: Correct, which that's what I've said.

1964
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 2: If it was a state without a robust department, it

1965
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 2: would have been dramatically exposed.

1966
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 3: And now I think there are.

1967
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 2: People in the West wing that recognize this is a problem.

1968
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,759
Speaker 2: But Chuck, that's not how Trump works. He's a brilliant

1969
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 2: marketing and sales guy. So you know what he'll do.

1970
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 2: He'll say, He'll say, I told you so, I told

1971
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 2: you they were broken.

1972
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of those cases where I thought to

1973
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: the Ze Wilds would have impact on this. There were

1974
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: a couple of spots that I thought she was going

1975
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: to have impact. One was keeping the Kennedy's crazy from

1976
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: being too influential. That's been a failure. And on.

1977
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 3: Storm response, well, I'll tell you this, okay.

1978
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 2: And again, you're talking to a Democrat who worked in

1979
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 2: a Republican administration and you know her.

1980
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: A little bit, so you may have some insight.

1981
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 2: And I know her, you only know what has gotten through.

1982
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 2: You don't know what she has stopped. I know, I

1983
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 2: hear this a lot, and so yeah, I was in

1984
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 2: a Republican administration. There's a lot of stuff that got through,

1985
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 2: but you also don't know like what came and you're like,

1986
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, that got stopped, whether it was one

1987
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 2: chief of stabif for another describing I joke.

1988
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: This is what every trump book is like, right, every

1989
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: trump book is you won't believe what he tried to

1990
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: do and you won't believe who stopped them. Right Like

1991
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: that was every trump book in the first administration with

1992
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: some form of that. So I take your point, but

1993
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: I guess there are fewer things that get stopped. Be

1994
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: my one.

1995
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't underestimate the presidents of that imagination on

1996
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 2: what he thinks he can do under his power. But

1997
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 2: also there are the people around him. Okay, the people

1998
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: around him in some instances are worse okay, on what

1999
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 2: they want to do. And now have full reign to

2000
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 2: go do okay, and so yeah, we never know what

2001
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 2: what she has or what she hasn't what she hasn't stopped.

2002
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 3: But look Susie's very qualified runs a very tight shit.

2003
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: No, I look, there there's a few people, you know.

2004
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 1: I deal with people that are just like they assume

2005
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: it's all alarmists. I'm like, yeah, but there are going

2006
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 1: to be people that end up that. I always say this,

2007
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: the hero of this story will be somebody you don't

2008
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: like at the moment.

2009
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, Mike Pence was the hero of

2010
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 2: January sixth.

2011
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Liz Cheney, Right. I mean I can tell this all

2012
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: the time to my liberal friends. You don't know, just

2013
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 1: like in the first term, somebody's going to be the

2014
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: hero there right now you don't like.

2015
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I appreciate it. Thanks for being talking about.

2016
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Speaker 1: I would too. Am I going to see it at

2017
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Speaker 1: the Miami Notre Dame game?

2018
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know that I'll be at the Miami Notre

2019
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 3: Dame game.

2020
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: Here's what I just since you you're you're you're good

2021
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: with disaster management, you may have some insight on the weather.

2022
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I just want hot, humid, horrible weather for those boys.

2023
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: From South Bend.

2024
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 2: That's all I can guarantee. You are going to get hot, miserable,

2025
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 2: humid weather. What I can't guarantee is whether you're going

2026
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 2: to get rained.

2027
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, the last I saw, we're supposed to get first

2028
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: half rain, so we'll see. But hey, I hope that's

2029
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 1: the case because it rains every day at Green Treing

2030
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: Practice Field, so there's there's got to be there will

2031
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 1: be no problem on that side of the ball at

2032
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: least I hope.

2033
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 2: Hey, Jared, don't isolate me from my Irish voters, please,

2034
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 2: I won't.

2035
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: I hear you, and especially if you run statewide. You

2036
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 1: know you've got to be You've got to be for

2037
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: for for all three Florida schools or four Florida schools.

2038
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: But I'm gonnaccount you see these days.

2039
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having much I appreciate here.

2040
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: It is great to it was just going to say

2041
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: you lived, you live the life GW. I mean, we

2042
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: have grown up in South Florida, go to GW. You

2043
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 1: had the guts to run for office. I didn't, So

2044
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: kudos to you.

2045
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 3: I actually think perhaps it may have worked out for you.

2046
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 1: John. Well, you know I've always wondered about the other

2047
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: path traveled, and so I've admired watching you from afar.

2048
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: It was really good to It was great to get

2049
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: to know you.

2050
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 3: Thanks, Jock, appreciate it.

2051
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: Well. For those of you that are listening to the

2052
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 1: full show, continuous, hope you enjoyed the Jared Moscow's conversation.

2053
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: I know I did. Interesting the way he put it,

2054
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: which is, will Florida Republicans create a Senate candidate, Because

2055
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 1: what he's basically saying is if he gets redistricted out,

2056
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: which he assumes, he that he will be targeted when

2057
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: a winner. If Florida decides to jump in with this,

2058
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: he may run for the US Senate. I think he

2059
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 1: could be a very, very very interesting candidate. You have

2060
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: an appointed senator. She's not yes, she's done. You know

2061
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: that's always when you're most vulnerable, sort of a quasi incumbent.

2062
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: You've got all the you get all the negative of

2063
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: an incumbent, you don't really yet have any positive of

2064
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: an incumbent. He could be an interesting He could be

2065
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:26,599
Speaker 1: an interesting candidate. And in most states you'd say, well, well,

2066
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: there will be a democratic divide on gaza that could

2067
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: cost voting problems. Not in Florida. Not in Florida, Florida

2068
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: Democrat isn't going to have isn't going to get nearly

2069
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 1: the amount of heat from the left on this issue

2070
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: in Florida as you might in some other states. All right,

2071
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 1: before I get to a handful of questions, so I

2072
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: went to the Notaryame Miami game. I am relieved, if

2073
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: you will buy it, it was let's be honest, that

2074
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: was an opening game. What do I mean by that?

2075
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 1: There are a lot of mistakes both teams made. There

2076
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: were a couple of things that you could tell the

2077
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: playbooks were still limited. I am very thankful that, for

2078
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Notre Dame decided not to give the ball

2079
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 1: to Jeremiah Love as much as I feared they would

2080
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: look he was perhaps one of the two or three

2081
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 1: best players on either side of the field that I

2082
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: saw in person there, and yet I was stunned at

2083
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: how often they didn't give Jeremiah Love the ball. He

2084
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: was the one guy that didn't seem to get tired.

2085
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,839
Speaker 1: I do think the offensive line got a bit overwhelmed

2086
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: by the Miami defensive line, which brings me to look

2087
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: Mario Crystobal, which is he is building this team the

2088
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:44,799
Speaker 1: right way. It is physically a team that finally looks

2089
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: like the foundation of what the old Miami teams that

2090
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: we like to talk about. It is built inside out.

2091
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: Those are very powerful offensive lines and defensive lines we have.

2092
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: We have we have as many first, second, and third

2093
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: round picks, and the offensive line and defensive line is

2094
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,639
Speaker 1: any of the other top five so called big programs

2095
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: right because we're spending that money and it's now year

2096
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 1: four and all of those things. So there was that

2097
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: I thought that you could see that, you know, Mario

2098
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 1: the minute he had the opportunity to just drain clock

2099
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: and essentially just went by a point. If that's all

2100
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: it was, he was going to do it. I don't

2101
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 1: know if Beck threw I think he threw one pass

2102
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: in the final drive and that was it. I think

2103
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: they it was interesting to me how they handled him.

2104
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: From my perspective, I'm still not I'm still not convinced

2105
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent comfortable with his elbow. Look, the

2106
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 1: ball was always there. In fact, he's wearing number eleven,

2107
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: which for old school Miami fans is Ken Dorsey's was

2108
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey's number. Ken Dorsey was the quarterback of the

2109
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: greatest college football team ever assembled, the two thousand and

2110
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: one national champs, when you put him up against twenty

2111
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: nineteen LSU. I know some of the LSU fans will say,

2112
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,759
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen LSU. I believe our friends at EA Sports

2113
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: have put them together, and I think I think Miami

2114
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: wins fifty one out of one hundred times and Burrow

2115
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: wins forty nine Miami's Miami's defense was better than LSU's defense.

2116
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 1: LSU's offense was better than Miami's offense, but only a

2117
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 1: little bit better, while Miami's defense was a lot better

2118
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: than the LSU defense. So I do think collectively it

2119
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: was a better team. Thirty eight NFL players on that team,

2120
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: by the way, I think I think they're going to

2121
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 1: end up with seven or eight Hall of Famers off

2122
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 1: of that two thousand and one team. Ken Dorsey was

2123
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: that quarterback, and he was whatever you want to call him.

2124
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,760
Speaker 1: He was considered a coach on the field, a game manager.

2125
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: You know, nobody ever mistaken him with this strong arm,

2126
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 1: and yet the ball was always where it needed to be.

2127
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: That's how I felt about Carson Beck. The ball was

2128
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: pretty much always where it needed to be. I didn't

2129
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 1: see a ton of zip, and I don't know if

2130
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 1: that is his style, and I'll be curious as we

2131
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 1: open up the playbook or if he's still building strength

2132
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,679
Speaker 1: in his elbow in order to get a little more

2133
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: zip into the ball. But that was fascinating to watch

2134
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 1: there because it is and it's interesting to see. I mean, look,

2135
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: he deserves right, he was checking down to runs a lot.

2136
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I got the sense that they only had a small

2137
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: amount of the playbook that they've put in. Trust me,

2138
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: we know this is a similar offense to cam Ward Ran,

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Speaker 1: and cam Ward had his own. Essentially, he knew the

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Speaker 1: offense so well. He was much more comfortable checking into

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Speaker 1: his own situations and things like that. I don't quite

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Speaker 1: see that yet out of Beack. That doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 1: not coming that set, you know, Notre Dame. If they

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Speaker 1: are indeed in college football, you don't know for sure, right,

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01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: you think you're playing a top ten team by the

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01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: end of the year. They could be seven and five?

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01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: Were they ever aten team?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: A couple years ago when Miami beat Texas A and

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01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: m at Texas A and m I was like, oh,

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01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: is this a good win or not? Turned out it

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01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: wasn't that good of a win last year against Florida?

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01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: We beat the pants off of Florida. Is that a

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01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 1: good win? Now? Maybe in the moment it was. It

2155
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 1: was a good win, not a great win. So we'll

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01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: see here. One other observation about this weekend. Of all

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01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: these big games, I know everybody wants to overreact to me,

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01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: the best win of the weekend was LSU's because they

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01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 1: won on the road. Right, Miami was at home and

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01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 1: won at home in a close game. Ohio State was

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Speaker 1: at home over Texas and won at home in a

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01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: close game. Right, Florida State won at home. Yes, they

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01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: pulled what appears to be a massive upset, but this

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01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: is another one. By the end of the season, we

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Speaker 1: may look back and say, how Florida State shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been a two touchdown underdog because Alabama wasn't that good. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I think this weekend was more

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Speaker 1: proof that, like I said, I want to I've been

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01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 1: telling you what's coming with tariffs, been telling you what's

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Speaker 1: coming with Senate retirements and people like Joni Ernst, And

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01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Greg Sankee's view of college football is

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01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: just wrong, right, and it is bigger than the SEC,

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01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: and I think he saw the limits of the SEC

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Speaker 1: this weekend. And this is why trying to close, trying

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01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 1: to keep others from the pot of money that the

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01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 1: Big Ten and the SEC are trying to hoard all

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Speaker 1: for themselves. You know, there's just it's not good for

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01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: the sport. This weekend was great because you had teams

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Speaker 1: not in the SEC in the Big Ten winning big games.

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01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: We've you know, you've expanded the bandwidth here, We've expanded

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01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 1: our palette. It only makes the sport more national and

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01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: less regional. This sport is no good when it's a

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01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: regional sport of Southerners and Midwesterners. This sport is a

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01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 1: lot more fun when the East Coast and West coast

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01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 1: Utah is going to be an interesting team. Been on them.

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01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 1: They were the other one that I think had a

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01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: probably the most impressive win that nobody's talking about because

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01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: it happened that game didn't kick off until eleven o'clock

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01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 1: on Saturday. So I am if I was seventy percent

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01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 1: optimistic about Miami's chances before the Notre Dame game, I've

2191
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: definitely moved up to eighty percent. But man, Miami's got

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01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 1: a tough schedule coming up. We got South Florida, We

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01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: got to play USF, the team that boat raced Bowisey

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Speaker 1: State up there in Tampa last Thursday night, and then

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Speaker 1: after USF we played Florida. Florida has to play USF

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Speaker 1: before they play outs. So it's going to be We're

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01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: going to find a lot about all of these Florida

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Speaker 1: teams in the next month, and it's possible that just

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Speaker 1: the state of Florida is back Florida, Florida State, Miami

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01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: now USF once again, the state of Florida taking its

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Speaker 1: rightful place at the top of the college football world.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me sneak in some questions here, ask Chuck. First,

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Speaker 1: one has to do with college sports. There you go.

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Speaker 1: It to Andrew from Knoxville. He says, do you think

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01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 1: politicians will start to discuss changes to NIL via legislation

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01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:18,440
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail? I could see this thing being

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01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 1: a bigger issue in bigger states, where college athletics is

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01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 1: a major revenue source for universities and with the landscape

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Speaker 1: being more competitive, any advantage helps. This could be legislators

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Speaker 1: working to remove salary caps, or how the university's NIL

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01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 1: program works. Well, Look a few things Andrew to think

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Speaker 1: about when it comes to the idea that politicians getting

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Speaker 1: involved in the college sports landscape.

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Speaker 3: Is it.

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Speaker 1: Going to be politically advantageous? Well, guess what when is

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Speaker 1: election Day twenty twenty six, November? What takes place in November?

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Speaker 1: We're in the basically middle to the end of the

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Speaker 1: college football season. So if there is high profile teams

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Speaker 1: being left out or conferences, so in theory, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you'll see many of these candidates, particularly in perhaps

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Speaker 1: some of the more competitive senate states. Right, you're gonna

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01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 1: have an Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina all. You know, all

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01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 1: states care about their college supports. But those those three

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01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 1: all have fairly large programs in different that that have

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01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 1: a passionate fan slash voter base that cares about them.

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Speaker 1: So I could certainly see that there's certainly opportunity there,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think there's enough. You know, I say that,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a voting issue per se. Right,

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01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 1: there's some issues that voters care about, but they don't

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Speaker 1: vote on it. I think voters care about this. I

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01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll vote on this, but I think

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Speaker 1: politicians care, and I still think what you can't what

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Speaker 1: you just describe here. The problem is each state legislature

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01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 1: keeps sort of upping upping the rules, are getting rid

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01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 1: of the rules when it comes to nil money and stuff.

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01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:04,680
Speaker 1: So that I think that's why you gotta have some

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01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: sort of national standard, and that's why I think the

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Speaker 1: FEDS are going to get involved in some form or

2239
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: another to have to do this. But I go back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you listen to my interview with

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Speaker 1: the more Smith, but I do think collective bargaining is

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Speaker 1: coming to college sports. And until you get the collective bargaining,

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01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 1: and once you get collective bargaining, I think then then

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01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 1: you'll probably be able to put in a salary cap rules.

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Speaker 4: Of the road.

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Speaker 1: But in some ways, you know, there's there's all these

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Speaker 1: things that have to happen before before we we know

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Speaker 1: how what what the landscape looks like. And I think

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Speaker 1: until there's collective bargaining among the players in college football

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Speaker 1: and in college basketball, which I think again it there's

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Speaker 1: no right now, there's no there is no roadmap and

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01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: how you share media money right in the in the

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01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 1: so called professional leagues, the media rights essentially half the

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01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 1: money goes to the players, half the money goes to

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Speaker 1: the leagues and the owner. So how is it going

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Speaker 1: to work in this situation? Right? So, I do think

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01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 1: collective bargaining probably has to happen first. Then we'll start

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01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 1: to have the national legislation and all of that. Right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from James, and he writes, I've really

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Speaker 1: appreciated your recent discussions and the need for a US

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Speaker 1: constitutional convention, especially in your conversation with Maria Camello. I

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01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 1: also found your suggestions about how groups like the Bush

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01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 1: and Clinton presidential libraries, or even former members of Congress

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Speaker 1: could help spearhead reforms. I'm an American who has lived

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Speaker 1: in France since two thousand and seven and an smolum,

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Speaker 1: all right, he says, I even taught French there for

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01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 1: several years. My son is taking French this semester, for

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01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: what it's worth. And here's what he wanted to ask.

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Speaker 1: Have you considered looking at how other democracies such as

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Speaker 1: France have tried to consult their citizens or adapt their

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Speaker 1: constitutions in times of political tension. For instance, during Emmanuel

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01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 1: mccrone's first term, France experimented with national consultations and even

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01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: this in assemblies to address political and social divides. Could

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01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 1: the US learn anything from these examples as it considers

2275
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:08,839
Speaker 1: constitutional reform. Thank you for your work and for continuing

2276
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 1: to make space for these big picture conversations best chains.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I think that's a terrific idea. I mean,

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01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 1: when I you you're asking me a bunch of questions

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01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 1: that have the suggestions buried in the question. The bottom

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01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 1: line is, yes, what you're asking. Okay, you had me

2281
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:33,120
Speaker 1: at hello, I if I were if I were running

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01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:36,320
Speaker 1: for president right now, and I was trying to make

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01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 1: the case that hey, we gotta we got to change

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01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 1: how we're doing this right, Like, this entire way that

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01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 1: we're we're communicating with the democ with the with the

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01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: with the electorate, this entire way we legislate this, everything's

2287
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: got to change. And if you told me there was

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01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: a candidate out there saying, you know what, we need it,

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01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 1: and you know, it probably works better if it came

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01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 1: from some outsider, independent time, right, But it could. I

2291
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 1: think it can happen for for a major party candidate too,

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02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: where you're like, look, we're gonna we're going to create

2293
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Speaker 1: these citizens. Do what you say citizen assemblies, and you know,

2294
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 1: maybe somebody runs it saying, look, we got to update

2295
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 1: our constitution, and I'm going to call for a constitutional convention.

2296
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Maybe what candidate decides to make it part of their

2297
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Speaker 1: part of their platform, and then they have these meetups

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Speaker 1: or they have these citizen commissions that are essentially local

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02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 1: political organization, you know, offshoots of their larger political organization

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to build. But in the meantime, you're

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Speaker 1: sort of circulating these ideas and you're and you're getting

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Speaker 1: them put forward. You know, part of me is, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know I sound a little you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: fear I I sound like i'm I'm I'm like doing

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Speaker 1: a simulation over here. Like, you know, if we had

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Speaker 1: a world, an idealistic world where we could do these things,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it over here. I really believe that under

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Speaker 1: the right circle ccumstances, you could engage the country in

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Speaker 1: these ideas. You just have to have a leader willing

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Speaker 1: to put themselves out there to start to start talking

2311
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Speaker 1: about it. I got convinced of this watching watching Ross

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Speaker 1: Perot go from a narcissistic businessman who just wanted a

2313
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: little attention from Larry King and started to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And then he turned it into a political movement and

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Speaker 1: he was able to build something, and he built something

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Speaker 1: fairly large, right, and he put real effort into it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump built something, but everybody else built it

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Speaker 1: for him, right. He just sort of, you know, gathered

2319
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Speaker 1: up all the you know, cranks and got everybody in

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Speaker 1: the same to under the same umbrella, and a movement

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Speaker 1: was sort of created in its way. But I think this,

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to this. Look, I think I

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02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 1: will tell you. I'll let me put it another way.

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Speaker 1: We sometimes say, look, all elections come down to how

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Speaker 1: voters believe it received the economy. And I'm most obviously

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Speaker 1: the the you know, we can see past results are

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Speaker 1: proof of this. But if I were to say that

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Speaker 1: the second most potent issue after the economy, you know,

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02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:25,520
Speaker 1: is usually some form of corruption or reform, and I

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Speaker 1: would be running on all things reform, running against I

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Speaker 1: would be pointing out corruption like the corruption with the tariffs, right,

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02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 1: which really means you just sort of pay off the

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Speaker 1: president if you don't want you want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you want to make sure you don't get a

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Speaker 1: tariff or something like this. Everything is so transactional. I

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Speaker 1: think there is. I think you could use a the

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Speaker 1: umbrella of reform to point out corruption, to sort of

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Speaker 1: blanket look at how this can actually impact your bottom line,

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02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 1: can really hurt the economy, can hurt public health, all

2340
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Speaker 1: these certainly things. But you're sort of doing it under

2341
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Speaker 1: the umbrella of reform as a way to stamp out corruption.

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Speaker 1: It is proven in the past to be a fairly

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Speaker 1: successful path to knocking off incumbent parties or incumbent officials,

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Speaker 1: and so I think wrapping yourself in some form of

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Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Whether we could follow

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Speaker 1: France's lead, I don't know we could, but remember, I

2347
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Speaker 1: know you've lived there, but you can. We can't ever

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Speaker 1: admit to the American people that we would be doing

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Speaker 1: that right, It would be it would be seen as

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Speaker 1: a negative. All right, let me sneak in one. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do two more questions here. I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: them fairly fairly fast. Jason from Ventura, California rights Hey,

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Speaker 1: check love in the longer format of the podcast and

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Speaker 1: the feistiness that's come out, keep it up. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the history of Michigan, governors. It

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02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 1: is pretty evenly split between RS and d's in the

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02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,040
Speaker 1: last one hundred years, only five times as incumbent party

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02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 1: held onto the governor's mansion my lifetime born in nineteen

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02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 1: eighty three, the party winning the governorship is flipped from

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02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:00,800
Speaker 1: D to R without two consecutions of governors from the

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Speaker 1: same party. Well, I like Benson and see her as

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02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,520
Speaker 1: the heir apparent. I think Dougan is trying to avoid

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Speaker 1: being tied to the incumbent party in a year that

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02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 1: favors Republicans. Your interview with him was great, but I

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02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 1: don't buy that he thinks he can get more done

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02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:15,080
Speaker 1: as an independent. It feels more like he's trying to

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02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: cheat history by being a Democrat. Light options of voters

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02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 1: don't have to pick a Republican. Do you think the

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Speaker 1: strategy gives him an advantage keep up the good work. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it gives I think he Look, he did

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02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:29,080
Speaker 1: it for some pragmatic reasons, Right, he didn't think he

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Speaker 1: could win a primary, or he didn't want to run

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Speaker 1: too far to the left to win a primary on

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Speaker 1: that front. Now that's something I questioned, Right, I think

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Speaker 1: he could have won a primary, But you know, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to be easy, and identity politics and democratic

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02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:50,880
Speaker 1: primaries is still pretty powerful right now, and so I

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02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 1: think he was trying to avoid that. So I think

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Speaker 1: what he was trying to do is just to he

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02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:56,960
Speaker 1: wanted to get to the finals without having to go

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Speaker 1: through without having to go through struggles over primary So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I take your point in Look,

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02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,600
Speaker 1: it's not just Michigan, right it If you look, for

2384
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:13,520
Speaker 1: the most part in any of the in say twenty

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02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 1: to thirty states that are semi competitive, right right, we

2386
02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 1: have ten to twenty states where you have real competition

2387
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,040
Speaker 1: from both parties at any given time, you know where

2388
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 1: you you but you know you could probably stretch it

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02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 1: to thirty where you feel like that, you know, can

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02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 1: each party win a statewide race at least once a decade, right,

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02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 1: So that is a it's a natural thing once one

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02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 1: party's been in charge a while. It's tough, you know,

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02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, you got to be you know, in an

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02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:44,640
Speaker 1: environment like the one we're facing right now, where voters

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02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:48,080
Speaker 1: consistently are looking for the change candidate, it is tough

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Speaker 1: to run as the incumbent party and be a change candidate, right.

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Speaker 1: I think That's that's what Jocelyn Benson is going to

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Speaker 1: struggle with. Right, We're in an environment of change, and

2399
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Speaker 1: she's got to say, yes, we need to change things

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Speaker 1: on the federal level, which is why we need the

2401
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:06,000
Speaker 1: status quo here in Michigan. Right, Like, that's it's just

2402
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 1: it's a bank shot and it may work and she

2403
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:14,200
Speaker 1: may win. And I think with Dougan he can actually run.

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02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:18,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do that awkward you know, sort

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02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:20,560
Speaker 1: of no, no, no, it's status quo here. You know. He's like, Hey,

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02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,920
Speaker 1: I think both parties are broken right now. We we're

2407
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:31,040
Speaker 1: sort of burned out on polarization. Look, I know I

2408
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 1: am burned out on polarization. The question is whether I

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02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 1: don't know where how many voters are in the Hey,

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02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,720
Speaker 1: this is a war sort of, We're in the war

2411
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:43,800
Speaker 1: of the roses, right, and it's red and blue and

2412
02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 1: anything in between is a spoiler. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the you know, he's got to stay viable the whole time.

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02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 1: The minute he doesn't look viable, or if it looks

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Speaker 1: like his candidacy makes it easier for John James to win,

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02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 1: then then he could run in run into some problems. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the history of three way races,

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02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:10,400
Speaker 1: they eventually are no longer a three way race at

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Speaker 1: some point, At some point, one of the three candidate's

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02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 1: fates and the and if the independent is not one

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Speaker 1: of the three, the fades. And normally it's the Independent

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02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: the fades. But if they're not, it means, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the two major parties. In this case, I

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02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 1: just for the Democrat to fade, Dugan would need to

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Speaker 1: sort of starve Benson of financial resources. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen. And I don't know if John

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Speaker 1: James is going to get starved or resources on the right,

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Speaker 1: although Dugan is does have sort of the the more

2429
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Speaker 1: republican leaning Detroit business community standing by him, maybe that

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02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:57,160
Speaker 1: starves James a little bit. Right, So, I'm I can

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Speaker 1: sense your skepticism of Dugan's ability to win state wide. Look,

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02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:08,000
Speaker 1: I think he's meaning the moment. The question is is

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Speaker 1: they're a big enough constituency that shares this concern and thinks,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we need a party time out. And

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Speaker 1: I'm vacillating on this. I'm watching the way some very

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02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:30,280
Speaker 1: center leaning Democrats normally behave starting to rally around what

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Speaker 1: gavenusm is doing, and it tells me that maybe we're

2438
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:38,200
Speaker 1: in a cold civil war where you know where everybody's

2439
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 1: feeling is. If you're either on one side or the other,

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02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:43,800
Speaker 1: there is no middle ground. And if that's the situation

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02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:47,000
Speaker 1: we're in, then then I think Duggan's candidacy could struggle.

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Speaker 1: All right. Last question, this comes from Christy j. Hey.

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Speaker 1: Chuck loved the podcast after thirty three years of teaching English.

2444
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll always stand by two truths. Public education is the

2445
02:08:57,200 --> 02:08:59,480
Speaker 1: great equalizer in teaching young people to think and analyze

2446
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:02,200
Speaker 1: through literature sets them up for everything else. I remember

2447
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,880
Speaker 1: debating Reagan's trickle down economics. In my position then, as

2448
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 1: with Trump's BBB, is that favoring the wealthy sounds workable

2449
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,000
Speaker 1: but fails because it doesn't account for greed. Isn't it

2450
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 1: obvious that companies moved production overseas for cheap labor and

2451
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,280
Speaker 1: bigger profits. I'd love to hear your take and thank

2452
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:17,840
Speaker 1: you for fighting for independent local news. We'll appreciate you

2453
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 1: saying that. Look, every know all of outsourcing right, all

2454
02:09:24,120 --> 02:09:27,520
Speaker 1: of that is about saving money, right. The move from

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Speaker 1: the north to the south manufacturing right, we've First it

2456
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:37,240
Speaker 1: went from from labor union states to non labor American workers.

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02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:41,640
Speaker 1: That was the sort of the Southern revival of manufacturing.

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02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 1: Then it went to Mexico and then those wages got

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Speaker 1: too high. Then it's moved right to Southeast Asia where

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Speaker 1: it's even less money. So yes, it's been one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Then right now, why have we why have we basically

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Speaker 1: put up with it? We've gotten really cheap goods, right,

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02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:07,520
Speaker 1: and ultimately the American consumer arguably has benefited. Now we

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02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:11,280
Speaker 1: can we can have the larger debate about, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether whether this you know cheaper, you know, these great

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Speaker 1: electronics that we can get cheaper, you know, is it

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the you know, I

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02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 1: look at the American consumer there they also are the

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02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:30,400
Speaker 1: American voter, right, and that's what they want. And if

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02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:34,080
Speaker 1: you start taking that away, they're going to complain the minute.

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02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, you can say, hey, you got to do

2472
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Speaker 1: this for the good of the country. But as a

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02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:44,400
Speaker 1: friend of mine reminded me, during World War Two, when

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Speaker 1: there was coffee rationing, Americans didn't like it at all,

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02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 1: and it was being done to support the troops, and

2476
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 1: it still was pissing off American, So you know, we're

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Speaker 1: we're at the end of the day, we always we

2478
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 1: do always want our cake and eat it to on

2479
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:04,400
Speaker 1: some of these things. But yes, what you're describing, it

2480
02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:08,080
Speaker 1: has always been there, which is why you want economic

2481
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:13,160
Speaker 1: policy that sort of look, a free market is going

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02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: to look for efficiencies, and cheaper labor is part of

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02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:19,840
Speaker 1: that efficiency, right, And eventually it's instead of cheaper human labor,

2484
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 1: we're going to go to robotics, right, and then we're

2485
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:24,720
Speaker 1: going to go all into AI. So these efficient that's

2486
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: what markets do, right. What economic policy, what lawmakers have

2487
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 1: to do, is like how do you balance that with

2488
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:36,960
Speaker 1: what society needs and what keeps the economy a functional economy.

2489
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 1: People do need to work, what are those new jobs,

2490
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:51,240
Speaker 1: et cetera. So I think that that's why I'm skeptical

2491
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 1: of this attempt to bring back manufacturing because even if

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02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:57,200
Speaker 1: you bring it back, they're not going to hire human labor. Right.

2493
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 1: The reason the stock market is going gangbusters right now

2494
02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: is because jobs are shrinking and there isn't and these

2495
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:11,080
Speaker 1: companies aren't missing the smaller aren't missing this workforce. The

2496
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:15,240
Speaker 1: fact that they're investing in AI is making investors happy.

2497
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 1: That they're investing in a future with fewer labor costs,

2498
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:24,800
Speaker 1: which again gets to efficiency. So now, I don't think

2499
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Speaker 1: anytime you try to force a market to behave a

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Speaker 1: certain way, you try to protect, to protect something, in

2501
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Speaker 1: the long run, you usually fail to do it. Eventually,

2502
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:41,400
Speaker 1: innovation always wins. It will defeat a government subsidy, it

2503
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:44,800
Speaker 1: will defeat a tariff. It will defeat those things. So

2504
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 1: you can postpone it, you can prolong it, or you

2505
02:12:48,440 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to sort of, look, you

2506
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 1: want to do that, great, you need to invest over here,

2507
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 1: maybe throw money into training over here. Who knows, at

2508
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:03,160
Speaker 1: some point may become contribute to the UBI fund Universal

2509
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Speaker 1: basic income. I am one of those folks that think

2510
02:13:06,760 --> 02:13:11,000
Speaker 1: that's probably coming. We won't call it universal basic income.

2511
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Speaker 1: We're going to call it the childcare tax credit, or

2512
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Speaker 1: we'll call it the you've chosen to work out of

2513
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:19,600
Speaker 1: home tax credit, or you've chosen to raise a third

2514
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:25,400
Speaker 1: kid tax credit. Other people will call it universal basic income.

2515
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Speaker 1: We will we may never actually use that phrase, but

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Speaker 1: I think some of those things are going there. All right,

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Speaker 1: I will pause there, I've gone I've gone about an

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Speaker 1: hour total with my monologues today and my little college

2519
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Speaker 1: football stuff. By the way, if you're if you're playing

2520
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Speaker 1: at home. I think now the most interesting, the most

2521
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 1: interesting show that I would want to watch this week

2522
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Speaker 1: would be Paul fine Bomb's call in portion of his

2523
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Speaker 1: show when all the Alabama fans start talking about Healen

2524
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Speaker 1: de Boor, Right, that poor guy nobody wanted to be

2525
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:07,560
Speaker 1: the guy that followed Nick Saban And I think now

2526
02:14:07,640 --> 02:14:10,680
Speaker 1: we're finding out why a lot of people are glad

2527
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Speaker 1: secretly that they were considered for the job, got a raise,

2528
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:18,440
Speaker 1: and never actually took the job. I'm looking at you,

2529
02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: Mike Norvella Florida State, who got the raise for being

2530
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:27,040
Speaker 1: recruited by Alabama but didn't take the gate. Meanwhile, who's

2531
02:14:27,080 --> 02:14:30,480
Speaker 1: now in the hotter seat, Mike Norvella Florida State or

2532
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:34,280
Speaker 1: Kalin de Boor at Alabama. All Right, So with that,

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Speaker 1: it's the end of my politics and sports updates for

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Speaker 1: the day. I will upload again in twenty four hours.