1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: name is Noel, and my name is Ben. You are you, 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: regardless of which name you happen to be wearing today, 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: This week, we're looking into some more true crime ladies 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: and gentlemen across the US, across the globe. You had 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: asked us to cover some more true crime stuff, and 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: for our long time listeners, you're familiar with the earlier 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: episodes we've done on serial killers. Yeah, we've done some 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: on serial killers who have never been caught on things 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: kind of specific ranges of things like the Highway of 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: Tears or the Hand of Death, serial killer cults. We've 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: also looked at possibilities of serial murders associated with cults. 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: But this will be our first episode about a specific 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: serial killer. If you would like to hear the early 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: episodes we did, check them out on our website. Uh, 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know dot com. But 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: remember you don't have to listen to those before you 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: check out this one. So you may have heard of 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a man named Richard Ramirez. He was known as the 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: night Stalker, and over the course of the eighties he 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: essentially reigned terror upon Los Angeles and San Francisco. There 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: was a series of break ins that he that he perpetrated. 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: He raped people, he murdered people, and thankfully he was 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: apprehended in August of nineteen five and ended up dying 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: on death row in two thousand thirteen due to be 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: cell lymphoma. But decade before that, there was another killer 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: in California, a serial rapist and killer known as the 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: East Area Rapist or also known as the Original night 33 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: Stalker or because I'm the Golden State Killer, A man 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: of many titles um. This killer was suspected and at 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: least fifty different rapes homicides from nineteen seventy six to six. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: His methods that were professional, very very calculated, methodical killer, 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: and in the beginning, investigators believed that either these rapes 38 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: were unrelated or that there were two different killers operating. However, 39 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: DNA evidence later used proves that the East Aea Rapist 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: and the Original nights Stalker were not two different people, 41 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: they were the same individual in an increasingly escalating, uh, 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: increasingly escalating pattern of violence while likely accompanied by an 43 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: increasing increasingly dysfunctional cognitive state. Yeah. There, there's even a 44 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: period that occurred that that existed before the East Area 45 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: rapist was found that well we'll get to in the future. 46 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: That may have been the same person where they were 47 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: just burglarizing houses, right, the Vicelia ransacker. So yeah, what 48 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: what we're looking at here is a an escalating series 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: of events, like like you said, Ben, and let's look 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: at the timeline here. So a lot of the resources 51 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: were pulling from from a website called e A R 52 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: dash O n s dot com, which is set up 53 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: to which is set up to comb history and public 54 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: records for any clues or leads to this killer. We 55 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: know that on Junique teenth, nineteen seventies six, at four 56 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: am UH, an assailant attacked and sexually assaulted a woman 57 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: in Rancho, Cordova, California. This was the first recorded instance 58 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: of what we're originally known as the East Area rapist crimes, 59 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: but emphasis are recorded. Uh, there are earlier possible burglaries 60 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: attributed to this same character, as you had mentioned, matt 61 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: since the guy is believed to have started out as 62 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: a burglar graduating to rape or uh to if we 63 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: want to follow the rabbit hole a little bit further 64 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: than and may have started as a peeping tom thing 65 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: too exactly now. The first attempted murder that has attributed 66 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: to the original night stalker occurred on October one, nineteen 67 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: seventy nine, in Galita, California. The assailant breaks in ties 68 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: up a couple. He's walking around the house chanting, I'm 69 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: gonna kill him, I'm gonna kill him. However, momentarily when 70 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: he was I guess distracted or away from them, uh, 71 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: the couple was able to escape. The man went I 72 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: think and was able to escape and hid hide in 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: the backyard. The woman screamed her neighbors were alerted. UM 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: thankfully her name. He was an FBI agent that always 75 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: helps uh. The intruder then fled, and a neighbor pursued 76 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: on a bike. He ended up ditching the bike and 77 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: a knife, and he went through backyards to to just 78 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: get away from the situation and he wasn't apprehended. So 79 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: the first confirmed murder occurred on December of the same 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: exactly are also in Galena, and then May fourth, nineteen 81 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: eighty six was the last known murder, almost thirty years 82 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: ago to the day that we are recording this. Right, 83 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: we're recording this on May third, twenty sixteen, so in 84 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: just a few hours it will have been three decades. 85 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: So in nineteen six DNA testing confirmed that the Eastereo 86 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: rapist in the original night Stalker were the same individual. 87 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: But at this point, numerous other incidents are suspected to 88 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: be the work of this uh, this individual, but there 89 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: haven't been any real leads for a long time. Despite that, 90 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: there has been a recent resurgence event just in the case, 91 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: both professional investigators and internet sloops or combing through the 92 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: available information looking for any lead that could become a 93 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: breakthrough and possibly get some answers for the public and 94 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: some closure for the survivors. And it, like you said, 95 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: it arranges widely. The people who are getting back into 96 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: this case. A retired cold case investigator, Gary Kitzman, he 97 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: went back to work in two thousand ten after retiring 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the previous year because he just wanted to focus on 99 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: this case and this case alone. He's been going over 100 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: all of the collected evidence from the seventies and eighties, 101 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: the times that we're talking about here, and he's trying 102 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: to close this thing. Then on the other end, you've 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: got the subreddit Unresolved Mysteries, which is keeping this case 104 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: alive as well. You if you searched through that subreddit, 105 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: you can find endless threads of people asking questions and 106 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: posting links and and trying to make connections between both 107 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: the East Area rapist and I mean, I guess it's 108 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the same guy, but trying to to make connections between 109 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: who this possibly could be right and connecting other isolated 110 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: incidents or seemingly unrelated incidents like the Vicelia ransacker. Another 111 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: huge contributor to the story of the original night Stalker 112 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: was Michelle McNamara. Uh. She's the creator of the True 113 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Crime Diary, which was a blog she made. She's also 114 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: a contributor to The l A magazine. Unfortunately, she died 115 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: last month. She's also the wife of Patton Oswalt, the 116 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: comedian um Her article in the Footsteps of a Killer 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: from is a must read for anybody who's kind of 118 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: gotten lost down in internet rabbit hole looking into this 119 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, especially if you're interested in this case 120 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: in particular, and the list of victims, just the proven 121 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: confirmed victims that we know of is too long to 122 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: run through. Here we're talking about UH fifty plus rape 123 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: victim ten plus homicides minimum. UH. You can see, however, 124 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: full list of both suspected and confirmed victim names along 125 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: with details of each crime at the website that we 126 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. And what you'll notice if you sort through 127 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: this the way many people have is that there are 128 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: some commonalities in the UH in the demographics of the victims. UH. 129 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: This individual's primary targets were middle class and upper class neighborhoods, 130 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: usually homes that were in some sort of public area, 131 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: near schools, parks, creeks, you know, open areas were very prime. 132 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: The suspect sometimes impersonated a realtor, a building inspector, or 133 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: some other professional, maybe even a prospective home buyer. Right. 134 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And we know some of this not just because of 135 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: discoveries of the victims in their location or the evidence 136 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: at the house or seen of the crime. We know 137 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: this because of the people who survived and described some 138 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of these traits. That's how we also know a profile 139 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: of this or which we'll get into later, but first 140 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:10,119 Speaker 1: before we continue tracing the history of this lesser known murderer. 141 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: Will pause for a word from our sponsors. Here's where 142 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. This person, the East Area rapist, the 143 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: original night stalker, the Golden State killer. This guy is 144 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: still out there somewhere. Maybe at least he's never been caught. 145 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: He's certainly not been caught for these crimes. He's you know, 146 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: he's been linked to these other serial burglaries. Yet I'm proven. 147 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: We have difficulty knowing what what other uh sexual assaults 148 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: or murders he may have been involved in, but there 149 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: is no shortage of clues and speculation. So one of 150 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: the first ideas is the idea of this single suspect. Yeah, 151 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: and then and this just states that, you know, all 152 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: of the rapes, all the attacks and murders can be 153 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: attributed to a single human being, and that person is 154 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the original night stalker. Uh. This one, this one seems 155 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: to be backed up by the DNA evidence that linked 156 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: the two the two together linked it to one person. Um, 157 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, who's to say about some of the other 158 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: things that happened prior to the East Harry rapists attacks, 159 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: But this one seems to have the most evidence behind it. 160 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: We should probably add that a lot of cold cases 161 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: like this remain cold because of the fact that DNA 162 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: evidence was not a thing, right, that's absolutely true. In 163 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: this case, however, DNA evidence is somewhat of a thing, 164 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: and it still existed. I think, uh, in some of 165 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: the latest stuff, they're going back and and looking at 166 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: some of the evidence that they've got. The d N 167 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: evidence in this case may be relevant because they do 168 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: have a full profile. Oh, I guess what I mean 169 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: is the technology has just gotten so much better, so 170 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: it's easier to go back and look at things they 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: may have collected in these cases that at the time 172 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: they didn't know what the hell to do with exactly. Yeah. 173 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: And then also just collection methods and methodology have vastly improved. 174 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: So this there's there's another theory here to the idea 175 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that there are multiple East Area rapists, that there were 176 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: two individuals committing these crimes, two men working together competing 177 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: in some sort of twisted way. What what's strange about 178 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: that is if there were a competition, if there are 179 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,119 Speaker 1: multiple killers, they would almost certainly never meet because generally 180 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: these folks, unless there is an ideological thing, yeah, and 181 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: unless there's an ideological thing. They're gonna be working on 182 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: their own. Not only that, you'd think they would one 183 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: up each other and there wouldn't necessarily be as much 184 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: of a of a continuous pattern. There would be one 185 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: person trying to outdo the other if it was some 186 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: sort of competition, right, right, It's important to stay hear 187 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: this is specifically about the East Area rapist attacks and 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: not not the original night stalkers. Yeah, good point. And 189 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: the thing about that is that if there are multiple 190 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: similar murders results or robberies, and there's evidence that they 191 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: couldn't have all been committed by one person, historically, it's 192 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: much more likely that there's a copycat criminal who's taken 193 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: advantage of the current focus on this one person or 194 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: in some cases idolizes them. You know. Yeah, we're just, yeah, 195 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: like you said, using the opportunity to do something that 196 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: they usually wouldn't because they'll they'll be thrown off, the 197 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: investigators will be thrown off the trail. And so let's 198 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: let's look at the escalation. It's fairly certain that this 199 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: was a single individual, but let's look at the escalation 200 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: evolution of this person from I guess, uh, just a crappy, 201 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: disturbed schmuck to a violent and deranged killer. And I 202 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: know it might sound you know, it might sound rude 203 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: to just like say, this is a pathetic person. But 204 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: if they're alive and they're listening, I want them to 205 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: hear me say that. So how did this escalate? That's cold. 206 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the Vizalea ransacker um 207 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: and the escalation that took place there. I was a 208 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: little confused by this myself. This in theory is the 209 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: idea that, um, this was this killer sort of learning 210 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: and starting to move towards more of a violent um trajectory. So, 211 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: an unidentified serial burglar broke into numerous houses in the Visalia, 212 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: California area, from April of set any four to December seventy. UM. 213 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: This person would destroy the interior of the home and 214 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: just you know, steal little knickknacks here and there with 215 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: the objects of sentimental value exactly exactly, um. But it 216 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: didn't really feel like it was about getting big ticket 217 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: items that might be resold. It was much more of 218 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: an impulsive kind of act. Yeah, So it's postulated that 219 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: this ransacker, who was never officially caught, became the East 220 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Area rapist after the attempted kidnapping of a young lady 221 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: named Beth Snelling on September eleven. Yeah, that was the 222 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: the final escalation at least that's reported from this ransacker 223 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: when he tried to he tried to abduct a woman 224 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: whose father was also in the house. And then about 225 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: let's see, that's about a year later then that the 226 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: first uh East Area rapist recorded attempt at rape or 227 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: recorded rape excuse it occurs, that's assault occurs. So it 228 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: really is staggering to look at the list of victims 229 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: on the website that we referenced, the D A. R. 230 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: Dash Ons dot com. I mean, it's very very detailed, 231 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: and it you you can see the escalation just by 232 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: going down the spreadsheet. It's pretty Yeah, I know, it's 233 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: it's very disturbing, and if you think about it's also 234 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: so much more disturbing if you are a victim of 235 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: a home invasion to find that, you know, the TV 236 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: wasn't taken, or the VCR wasn't taken, or the PlayStation 237 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: wasn't taken, but what was taken was like a picture 238 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: of your grandmother, Yeah, your great grandmother's like humble dolls 239 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: or something like that that we're on the mantel and 240 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: so maybe some things were smashed, you know, like I said, 241 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: a very impulsive kind of one case, it was the 242 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: father's cuff links, right, and we have, um, we we 243 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: have some information about the m O because one thing 244 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: the killer did to prevent it from being a I 245 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: guess a fair fight and we'll talk about the profile 246 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: there later was to sneaking houses beforehand. And one of 247 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the things he would do when he was stalking UH 248 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: these people is that he would try to locate any 249 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: weapons and disarmed them, like take the bullets out of 250 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: the gun, right all that hide knives where he could 251 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: know where they are in case because you know, obviously 252 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: this guy UH was not a good fighter and had 253 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: to plan. And he would even stash ropes and stuff 254 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,359 Speaker 1: underneath cushions on sofas so we would have easy access 255 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and know where they are. So what does what what 256 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: does our profile of this uh? What does our profile 257 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: this night stalker sound like? What comprises it? We know 258 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: that there was some work done by psychological profiling team 259 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: led by uh Leslie Dembrogia, and we also know that 260 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: there were extensive notes taken via survivors of these incidences. 261 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: And from there we've learned a couple of key points. 262 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: We are certain that it's a white male. And back 263 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, in the seventies when he was 264 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: being seen by people, he was twenty to thirty years old, 265 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. Pretty young. Right now, he would 266 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: be in his fifties or sixties. There are a couple 267 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: outlier descriptions that put him a little bit older in 268 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: his seventies now, but I think the average is going 269 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: to put him closer to his mid fifties. Currently. He 270 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: was about five eight to five eleven. He was definitely 271 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: physically fit, had broad shoulders. Yeah, he was able to 272 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: do all kinds of athletic things when evading police, MP 273 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: defences and stuff. Uh. He frequently wore ski mask or 274 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: something else to include his face. He either had blue 275 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: or hazel eyes according to witnesses, shoe size nine. And 276 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing. He had Type A blood. How 277 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: do we know this? Because he had non secrete your 278 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: bodily fluids, It means they didn't contain enough protein to 279 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: test for a blood match. Yeah, So that means when 280 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Semen was found at a scene, you couldn't link it 281 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: up if you had um, let's say, a DNA sample 282 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: from someone from the sky's blood or someone else's blood. 283 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: There are several recordings, or at least alleged recordings, of 284 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: his voice that the authorities have, and on them he 285 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: has a what's described as a higher than average vocal 286 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: pitch and uh he speaking of averages. He was report 287 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: as this is a crass thing to say, but as 288 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: reported by the survivors, he was below average in terms 289 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: of his genitalious size, noticeably below this h and also 290 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: unable to achieve orgasm at certain parts. And I know, 291 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, that we're talking very frankly about some 292 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: disturbing things, but this is also this is a surprisingly 293 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: common trend in uh, in serial killers or in these 294 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: sexually motivated criminals. It is probably a better way to 295 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: say it. And so when he took and then you know, 296 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: of course on his profile, he would take small items 297 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: with personal value to the victims. He also knew a 298 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: lot about knots. Yeah, there's this one complicated knot called 299 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: the diamond knot. There are a couple other words for it. 300 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy complicated. I watched a couple of videos 301 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: trying to show you how to make it, and I 302 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: don't think I could do it, even after being instructed 303 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: how to do it much less on the fly. Oh yeah, dude, 304 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: under dress like that. Um. This may point to some 305 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: kind of background in the military, perhaps scouting maritime like manching. Yeah, 306 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: anywhere where you're constantly tying knots um. It also may 307 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: hint at an interest in bondage in his personal sexual life. Right, 308 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: so he made changes to his procedures. Law enforcement began 309 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: noticing common parts of his commonalities in his m O, 310 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: like is not usage uh, And he began removing the 311 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: ligatures or the materials used to tie up his victims, 312 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: like sometimes it would be their shoelaces, sometimes he'd bring 313 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: his own stuff, uh, sometimes just from their bodies to 314 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: the floor nearby, and sometimes removing them from the crime 315 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: scene altogether. This shows us that this killer was watching 316 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: and attempting to switch things up. The investigators use this 317 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: to say this man is not um insane. I guess 318 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: he's very calculated in these things. He's learning each time 319 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: he commits one of these crimes, which is terrifying on 320 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: one hand, but it would be good for let's say 321 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: a prosecutor who could say this person is of their 322 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: own mind. There you know he wouldn't go to a 323 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: mental institution. Let's say he this person would end up 324 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: in prison. I see what you're saying. And then we 325 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: know about the background they thought possible law enforcement and 326 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: military training, maybe working struction or as a contract painter 327 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: or a handyman. Or you might also hear that you 328 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: worked in a scrap yard, which would give him access 329 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: to vehicles. Because of this character used different vehicles at times. 330 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: We know probably lived in Sacramento, Galita, or Irvine, California, 331 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: at least for a time. And we have a quotation 332 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: from the article that Matt mentioned earlier by Michelle McNamara 333 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: in the Footsteps of a Killer that describes the m 334 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: O and a little bit more detail. Quote to zero 335 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: in on a victim, he often entered into the home beforehand, 336 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: when no one was there, learning the layout, studying family pictures, 337 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: and memorizing names. Victims received hang up or disturbing phone 338 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: calls before and after they were attacked. He disabled porch 339 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: lights and unlocked windows. He emptied bullets from guns. He 340 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: hit shoelaces or rope under cushions to use his ligatures. 341 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: These maneuvers gave him a crucial advantage because when you 342 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: woke from a deep sleep to the blinding flashlight and 343 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: ski masked presence, he was always a stranger to you, 344 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: but you were not to him. Uh. That paints a 345 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: creepy picture of this man. And of course, along the 346 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: way law enforcement investigators professional and amateur like have been 347 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: attempting to find specific suspects in these crimes, you will 348 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: find mentions of people who have already been largely disproven 349 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: as possible suspects. Joe al sit Brett class by Paul 350 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: cornfed Schneider, which is an interesting middle name, at the 351 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: very least an interesting nickname. A lot of these guys 352 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: ended up having an alibi or something that basically discounted 353 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: them from being the person right. And then there's some 354 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: other suspects like you'll here mention them for hims sometimes 355 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: John Familaro, the cold storage killer. He's currently on California's 356 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: death row for the murder of Denise Huber. He would 357 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: have been twenty five or twenty six at the time 358 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: of these crimes. During the mid seventies, he worked as 359 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: contractor and a house painter. Yeah, this guy is a 360 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: little disturbing. He kept the body in a freezer on 361 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: his property, like a standalone freezer, just kept the body 362 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: there for I think three years before it was discovered. 363 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know that that kind of thing. Almost 364 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: keeping a trophy on your property of a person that 365 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: you murdered. That's another potential suspect was a gentleman by 366 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: the name of Kevin Lee Gardner. According to an l 367 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: A Times article, Gardner um was arrested for the rape 368 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: of a woman with multiple sclerosis who employed his girlfriend 369 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: as a nurse, and this took place in Gardner was 370 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: thirty five at the time, which meant that he would 371 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: have been in his mid to late twenties around the 372 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: time of the East Area rapist original Knightstocker crimes. Another 373 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: gentleman brought up frequently in these forums is Glenn Edward Rogers. 374 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: He's known as the Cross County killer. Uh he was. 375 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I think he's currently on death row in California. He 376 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: murdered Tina Marie Cribs. Like reports of the original Nights Soccer, 377 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: this man was blonde. He was reported to live in 378 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: the Southern California area at the time of the attacks 379 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: of the original night Stalker. Um. This guy he was 380 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: he was known as like I forget the actual name, 381 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: but he was like the good looking killer or whatever. 382 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: He would go to bars and just pick up women 383 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: and take them back to a hotel or something, and 384 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: then you'd find a dead woman in a bathtub. Right, 385 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: So this leads us to our conclusions. We should say 386 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: at this point the Vicelia Ransacker has in no way 387 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: been have concretely connected to the night Stalker Easteria rapist, 388 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: and none of the specific suspects we meet or we've 389 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: met in the course of the show have been again 390 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: concretely connected. This guy got really lucky. And also did 391 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: you read the poetry that he sent in to the 392 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: Sacramento b It already downloaded it for the video. I'm 393 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: going through. Its garbage is so terrible. It's like not 394 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: it's it's not well written, not even Charlie Manson's song. Right, yeah, no, 395 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: like it. We could take someone who didn't speak English, 396 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: hand them a picture with the letters of the alphabet 397 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: on it. You're really laying into this guy, and then 398 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: give him a give that person a pen and whatever 399 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: letters they randomly drew would still be just far superior aesthetically. 400 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about the excitements cave. Yeah, you can look 401 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: it up if you wish, ladies and gentlemen, I mean, 402 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: if you want to waste your time. So this leads 403 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: the start of thing. What happened to this killer? Guys? 404 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: It's a ghost. Yeah, he's a ghost. We we don't 405 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: know where he is, if he's alive. We don't know 406 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: any of these things. So let's walk through what could 407 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: have happened. Well, it could have been caught, Okay, it 408 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: could have been arrested for something unrelated. I mean, this 409 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: is clearly an individual that I had no qualms about 410 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: break law. So there are numerous ways. Um, although you know, 411 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: did seem cautious relatively speaking to have gone away with 412 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: it for that long, so I'm maybe not leaning towards 413 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: this one. Could have been sitting in a jail cell 414 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: somewhere California, this is true, might not have had a 415 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: sample of his DNA taken upon being incarcerated to the 416 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: dj in California. UM have different rules about DNA sample collection. Yeah, 417 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: all of this. There are rules revolving around the year 418 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: that the felony was booked. You know, when the crime 419 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: was actually committed. Oh yeah, yeah, so okay, So in 420 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: the state of California, these these rules have changed over 421 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: the years. So depending on when, if he was arrested 422 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: and is in the correction system in California, he may 423 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: not have had a you know, a sample of his 424 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: DNA taken. So if he's in there for a long time, 425 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: he's got a life sentence for something else that's unrelated, 426 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: then maybe he's just sitting there. It's it's a possibility, 427 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: it's quite possible. Then there's uh, the idea that he 428 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: could have been murdered during an attempted crime. Right. The 429 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: profiling team that was working with Uncle Sam said that 430 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: recommendation to check out any prowling cases that are you know, 431 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: attempted Pete and Tom breaking stuff that resulted in the 432 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: death of a lone male prowler, especially around that at 433 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: that time, we should say the last, the last contact 434 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: that the original night stalker has provably had with the 435 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: member the public was a phone call to a phone 436 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: call to a victim, so also could have died of 437 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: an unrelated condition. I mean, despite the horrific things Richard 438 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: Ramirez did when he was caught, which is a hell 439 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: of a story in itself and put on death row 440 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: um the limphoma got to her before justice did. So 441 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: you know, we live in a world full of accident 442 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and danger around every corner. Don't be frightened. But if 443 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: you're driving right now, just remember the only thing protecting 444 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: you from those cars hurtling toward you are some lines 445 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: painted on the road that we all pretend are real, 446 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: and your prowess and to not get in a crash. 447 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: Right So, even to the most stable, most capable people, 448 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: car accidents can happen, heart attacks could happen, people are 449 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: struck by lightning. A meteorite might hit you. I mean, 450 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: you're more likely to win the lottery, but a meteorite 451 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: might hit you. And just and here is the most terrifying. 452 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: He could be free. He could be living with a 453 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: family somewhere, just as a dad, as a husband to somebody, 454 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: maybe alone. Maybe he frequents a bookstore nearby somewhere. Maybe 455 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: he likes podcasts. In that case, we should note that 456 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: the investigation continues. In November, the FBI noted that there 457 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: are still on it, and that means that, as we said, 458 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: the killer, if alive, could be listening now to this show. Well, 459 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: one thing a lot of serial killers have in common 460 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: is that they're crazy narcissists. They make the mistake that 461 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: a lot of um relatively unintelligent people make, which is 462 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: where they assume that they're interesting and this like, if 463 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: I know that, I know that this individual is probably 464 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: not listening to our show. Now. However, given the rampant 465 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: narcissism that a lot of serial killers have, I'm sure 466 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: that many go back, especially if they feel like they've 467 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: gotten away, to listen to this kind of stuff and 468 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: and listen to people trying to figure out who they are. 469 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: Like b t K did that the buying torture kill 470 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: killer Dennis Radar. I'm sure he read everything written about himself. 471 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Ted Caruse listens to stuff about the 472 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: Zodiott Killer all the time. Did you get yeah, wait, 473 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: what is okay? Can you explain that one time? I'm 474 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: completely kidding, Ted Cruiz is not the Zodiac Killer, but 475 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's an entertaining meme that has gone around 476 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: that is pretty awful if you think about it. Um 477 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: to accuse someone of that. Uh. Larry Wilmore did a 478 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: great bit when he did the opening for the White 479 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: House Correspondence Enter where heat the whole thing where it's like, 480 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: who would do a thing like that except the Zodiac Killer? Wow? 481 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Oh wow. And so with that we will end our 482 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: story for now on the original night Stalker met Uh 483 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: what should people do if they want to learn more? 484 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: If you want to continue down this rabbit hole, there 485 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: are a ton of places you can go. One of 486 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: them is the l A magazine. There are a ton 487 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: of articles there to uh gosh to the subredits that 488 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: we talked about unresolved mysteries. If you want to pick 489 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: up a physical book and read it, which I would recommend, 490 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: check out Sudden Terror by Larry Crompton, someone who actually 491 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: had some skin in the game in investigating this person. 492 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: You can also check out Hunting a Psychopath by Richard Shelby, 493 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: again to great sources of just more information than you 494 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: might actually want. And if you have more information you'd 495 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: like to share with your fellow listeners, uh, drop a 496 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: line with any recommended reading that comes up. It's the 497 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: end of the show, guys, and that means we have 498 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: time for just one more things. Shout out Corners. For 499 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: our first shout out today, we would like to shout 500 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: out Sergeant Blue, which is an assumed name when says 501 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: you who listens to the show before going to work 502 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: at a state Department of Children and Families, He suggest 503 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: that we look into the Toynbee tiles as well as 504 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: the pervasive belief in an old conspiracy that child protective 505 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: services sometimes removes children from homes for profit rather than 506 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: the safety of the child. Yeah, that's a dark one. Uh. 507 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: In the email that the sergeant sent, he was saying 508 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: that he's never seen any evidence of it in his workings, 509 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: but he said, like he said, pervasive, people just believe it. 510 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because of people who have to 511 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: deal with child protective services. Sometimes they're in a situation 512 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: that maybe leads them to see authorities in a bad light. Perhaps. 513 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Our next shout out goes out to Claire from Calgary, Canada. 514 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: She said some really encouraging words, so thank you so 515 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: much for that. I'm gonna read this quote you guys 516 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: because I think it's worth it. She said, I never 517 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: want to stop hearing three cool dudes having a discussion 518 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: about witchcraft, ghosts or demonic possession. That's really nice. Who 519 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: are these guys she's talking? I have no idea who 520 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: they are, like a couple of stooges. She also suggested 521 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: that we make a show focused on the Builderberg group, 522 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: which we've we've done some shows around them and we 523 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: mentioned him a lot. Have we done an audio episode. 524 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Maybe we should do that. That's a great idea. Thank 525 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: you for the suggestion, Claire from Calgary. Our third shout 526 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: out today goes to Alan at Bad Motor Finger, Uh 527 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: and the ohs and motor are zeros. If you're looking 528 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: him up on Twitter, uh and uh give us a 529 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: random shout out so we you know, we're thinking, like, 530 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: what's just something equally unpredictable and random that we could say? 531 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: So we'll take a different shot. We can each go 532 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: around the room. I guess I would point out that 533 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: doctor Awkward is a palindrome. That's really great. Doctor Octopus 534 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: is my favorite Spider Man villain. Dr Octopus is a 535 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: great villain. Dr Browner's Magic Soap is my favorite of 536 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: the peppermint scented soaps. It's a good one. How do 537 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: you pronounced it? Cast cast style soap. There's a it's 538 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: a wind with a name, the Fremantle Doctor, which I 539 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: think is such a cool name for a wind. You know, yeah, 540 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know you could do that. How does that 541 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: wind have a cooler name than us? That knowles pretty good? 542 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,959 Speaker 1: I agreed. Did you see we got a listener mail. 543 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: I think it's on Facebook though, so they mentioned you 544 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: as k N O L L. Yeah, I get that 545 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: sometimes the grassy the grassy one. Well that's a that's 546 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: a random enough response, I think, too bad, motor Finger. 547 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 1: We have one last thing that we want to tell 548 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: people about, and we want you to check this out 549 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: on our social media on Twitter and Facebook where we're 550 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,959 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff. We got a fascinating package last week earlier. Yeah, 551 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: we did so. Do you guys remember that conversation where 552 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: we were talking about I'm speaking to you, by the way, 553 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: not you know, not you've been, but to you, Uh, 554 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: the conversation we had about ben bucks and we're going 555 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: to start our own currency. We we talked about it. 556 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: We've been floating this idea for a minute, floating our currency. 557 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: I've it's been a personal dream of my for for 558 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: a while. Although it was slow and upkeep and uh 559 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: the you know when we when I first proposed the idea, 560 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: I thought you guys were gonna just tell me to 561 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: shut up. But you got behind it and someone else 562 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: did too, so Leanne took it upon herself to like 563 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: design and print out and send us via actual male 564 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: some bend bucks in different denominations. Right, yeah, we got 565 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: a one of five seven point seven point five aten 566 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: and violence and uh also the plates to make more 567 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: of these. Uh. Noel and Matt got promoted to uh 568 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: various high government governmental positions. Uh finally, finally, right. I 569 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I actually have a have a position there, 570 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: but you know what, I'll take it. And in all seriousness, 571 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: this was this was such a cool thing to send, 572 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: So we'll put we'll post some pictures if you want 573 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: to check it out, and if you have an idea 574 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: for starting your own currency, we'd also like to hear it. Uh. 575 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I I spent some time, like, uh like thinking of uh, 576 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Matt and Noel money too, I mean Matt money obviously 577 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: obviously obviously writes itself. Noel Nichols, Noel Nichols, just Nichols. 578 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: That's all I mean. I pay for everything in Nichols. 579 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: It's true. I've seen it. It's weird. That's what's in 580 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: the backpack. Just Nichols. I bet you thought it was 581 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: a laptop. No, Nichols always wondered why it was so loud. Uh, 582 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: So we are we are going to head out. We 583 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: hope that I don't know if enjoy is the right 584 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: word for this kind of episode, but we hope that 585 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: you found it worth your time and we would love 586 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: to hear what you think about it. So, if you'd 587 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: like to check out our other episodes on earlier serial 588 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: killer topics, visit us at stuff they Want You to 589 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: Know dot com. 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