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Speaker 1: Welcome into north Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Moody, and this is your first ever North Side Territory

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Speaker 1: episode following a playoff game. Following a playoff victory, Patrick

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Speaker 1: really was electric today.

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Speaker 2: That was fun to cover it.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, those who watched the game took a little while

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Speaker 1: for the offense to show up, but by the fifth inning,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard that place like that in a while.

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Speaker 2: It's it's really fun when it is like that.

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Speaker 1: But back to back home runs by Saya, Suzuki Eras

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Speaker 1: to one nothing lead, say a Suzuki Carson Kelly Eras

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Speaker 1: to one nothing lead flipped it a two to one.

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Speaker 1: Cubs didn't look back. That's as fun of a game

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Speaker 1: as you'll experience. And just you know, the vibes were

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Speaker 3: Definitely, I think it brought back some flashbacks of remembering

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Speaker 3: certain playoff moments. Those home runs did get a little

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Speaker 3: bit of that shaking in the press box that we've

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Speaker 3: felt before, not you know, to the nth degree, but

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Speaker 3: I kind of came out of Wrigley Field feeling like

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Speaker 3: this could be building towards something.

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Speaker 4: I feel like just the way they won and how.

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Speaker 3: People kind of had this pent up energy for October

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Speaker 3: baseball at Wrigley Field, and I think today was an

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Speaker 3: amazing atmosphere but still had a lot of kind of

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Speaker 3: room to grow, like if this kept keeps going, and

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Speaker 3: I thought they kind of won this game in ways

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Speaker 3: that showed how they could advance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they they haven't had an opportunity to cheer at

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Speaker 1: a playoff game, you know, twenty twenty obviously, no fans

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, there's no reason to cheer those games that

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Speaker 1: the offense broke, and in twenty seventeen was the last

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Speaker 1: time we felt this and those were fun games against

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Speaker 1: the Nationals. The Dodgers not as much, but you know,

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Speaker 1: fans had reason to cheer, and you're right, like this

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Speaker 1: game kind of had Craig Council said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be tough to score runs.

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Speaker 2: He kind of had that feeling about this series.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how it is Wednesday and if needed on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: But he was absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And a big you know, like we saw like a

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Speaker 1: lot of what made the Cups good over this season.

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Speaker 1: Power they they went when they're going right, they hit

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Speaker 1: for power. The bullpens stepped up, the starting pitching. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's playoffs are different, you're managing differently. So Matthew Boyd

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Speaker 1: was great. Like Matthew Boyd was, did what he needed

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Speaker 1: to do. You look at the box scoring and C

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Speaker 1: four and a third inning. If you grew up, if

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Speaker 1: you're our age, you're like, what the hell is going on?

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Speaker 1: But but you know, this is modern playoff baseball, and

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Speaker 1: Craig Council handle it perfectly. I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: almost forgot about it. But Dansby's are defense really saved

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Speaker 1: some runs early on. The Padres could have tacked on

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Speaker 1: quite a few times, and Dansby made some plays saved

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Speaker 1: They really saved the game.

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Speaker 2: Probably the unsung hero of that game.

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Speaker 3: You felt that nervous energy, you know, early in a

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Speaker 3: playoff game, and the way Paveta was pitching it was

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Speaker 3: relatively subdued, i'd say in terms of the crowd's reaction,

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Speaker 3: but the Cubs were kept it close, remained in striking

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Speaker 3: distance because of just two great plays that Dan's be made.

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Speaker 3: And I you know, we've listened to so much Craig

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Speaker 3: Counsel that like his voice was in my head after

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Speaker 3: watching dance we make that over the shoulder catch, It's

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Speaker 3: like that's like hitting home run, you know, it's like

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Speaker 3: it's taking a run away, like when you when you

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Speaker 3: think about it in those terms, you understand how this

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Speaker 3: Cubs team was built. And so that's kind of what

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Speaker 3: I dance We obviously has a great perspective as someone

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Speaker 3: who's won World Series in Atlanta, someone who decided to

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Speaker 3: sign up for a rebuild here, and you and I

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Speaker 3: both have had these ongoing conversations with him literally for

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Speaker 3: years now of kind of how this group was put together.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it had the long haul of one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two game season in mind, and it's

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Speaker 3: kind of the stuff that's not super glamorous, doesn't always

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Speaker 3: point of just saying you the postseason is not this

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Speaker 3: sort of like mystery, like you're you're good can be

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Speaker 3: more magnified because more people are seeing it. But if

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Speaker 3: really this entire organizational rebuild, like that was kind of it.

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean it's like mission accomplished, but you

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Speaker 3: oh they're in the position because of those momentum shifting

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Speaker 3: game turning plays. And then if you do just enough offense,

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Speaker 3: an offense that you were very optimistic about, soha, to

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, go Cubs Go is

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Speaker 3: playing and the crowds walking home happy out of really field.

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Speaker 1: You know, dasy By Swanson takes a lot of heat

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Speaker 1: at times because he's not this monstrous offensive force and

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Speaker 1: he's paid a lot of money. But Jed Hoyer I

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Speaker 1: remember having conversations with him that that offseason with the

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Speaker 1: monster first stop class, and you know, we weren't one

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Speaker 1: had pretty good feeling that Dansby Swanson may be the guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, prices, whether it's prices or whatever.

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Speaker 4: It may be.

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Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer wanted defense. He saw how he won, how

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Speaker 1: he won a World Series in twenty sixteen. He rarely

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Speaker 1: felt up the middle defense would be a difference making aspect,

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Speaker 2: Dansby Swanson made it changed. It changed game one.

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Speaker 1: And it may be the type of thing that you

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Speaker 1: know it's going to go overlooked if the Cubs make

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Speaker 1: a deep run, but you know, you win the first

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Speaker 2: It's huge in these playoffs and if.

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Speaker 1: They're going to make a deep run, those little things

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Speaker 1: about if they if they go deep. But it changed

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Speaker 1: that game. And yeah, Saya Suzuki, uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: And this is this is part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: Craig Council is so adamant about it. And I get

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Speaker 1: it when when you stick with your veterans and you

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Speaker 1: Him in Major League Baseball, but he played in big

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Speaker 1: it's been in a while, the Carson Kelly home run,

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Speaker 2: You feel like it was a.

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Speaker 1: High arcing home run and you're not sure if it's

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Speaker 2: We gonna explode? Are we gonna explode? And then they

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Speaker 2: It's fun to be there.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're all doing our job and getting work

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Speaker 2: Feeling that energy even if we're not the.

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Speaker 1: Ones, you know, screaming and yelling in the stands, it's

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Speaker 1: it's an exciting moment for everyone, so that those that

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Speaker 2: Ye?

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Speaker 1: Here it is and that's Those are those unforgettable moments,

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Speaker 1: probably the you know, postseason wise, like what Miguel Montero

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Speaker 1: those unforgettable fun moments in sports when you're when you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the moment that had to happen.

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Speaker 3: I know Jed Hoyer got his contract extension before the

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Speaker 3: trade deadline, and I know that there's been lots of

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Speaker 3: good individual performances on this team, but like you're saying that,

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Speaker 3: we had not gone into a postgame playoff clubhouse at

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Speaker 3: just you know, John Lester's saying versions of we got

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Speaker 4: Kicked, and maybe that's a good thing. I think he

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Speaker 4: used a different frame.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say, but it's a good phrase too.

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Speaker 3: And then you have the last winning i mean, the

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Speaker 4: Today, Jake Ariana. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so you see them bringing back Jake Eddie Vedder

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Speaker 4: I think it was an ABC game kind.

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Speaker 3: Of beaming Wrigley Field across the country. Like you can

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Speaker 3: talk about process, you can point to all these positive developments,

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Speaker 3: And it kind of struck me waiting to get into

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Speaker 4: Of all these years I kept.

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Speaker 3: Seeing it was like Bias Bryant, Rizzo Rizzo, Bias Bryant.

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Speaker 4: And you know, no one.

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Speaker 3: Should you know, burn those jerseys or anything like that,

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Speaker 3: but it's just such a reminder that there has been

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Speaker 3: this void for years of whether it was the personalities,

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Speaker 3: up and down this roster, that's why they won ninety

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Speaker 3: two games, but like it, you could just sense that

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Speaker 3: Cubs fans were waiting for some sort of moment like this,

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Speaker 3: and they got I was, and you know they gotta

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Speaker 3: gotta go back Wednesday afternoon. We'll see, like how long

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Speaker 3: the good vibes last. But right, I'm sure it be

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, let's come back and talk about that that bullpend,

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Speaker 1: just the pitching in general, it's, you know, lined up

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Speaker 1: It seemed pretty obvious that Craig Council. I think we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great inning as well. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: just gotta like it's a you know, not big names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if the Cubs hadn't gone through such

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Speaker 3: as you saw, they're putting up zeros like left and right.

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Speaker 3: But the Cubs didn't win enough of those games to

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Speaker 3: you know, take down the Brewers or put up, as

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Speaker 3: counsel would say, a really really big number in terms

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Speaker 3: as we've written in terms of kind of they're pitching development,

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Speaker 3: I was curious to see, Okay, yeah, that's one thing

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Speaker 3: that stage in that moment, I thought was extremely impressive.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I mean, it's possible not to walk

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Speaker 3: is why you hire counsel, this is why you kind

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Speaker 3: the work and as Jed says, you never stop. It's

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Speaker 3: like a volume game, shots on goal, whatever analogy you

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Speaker 4: Use, it's it's yeah, Brad Keller.

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Speaker 3: You showed up in spring training and you wanted to

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Speaker 4: But I didn't see him.

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Speaker 3: I mean saving a playoff game at Wrigley Field and

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Speaker 3: Kid Ridge, like it's also I think reflection too of

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Speaker 3: how the Cubs manage that group over the course of

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Speaker 3: the season. You look at their appearances, it wasn't crazy high. Uh,

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Speaker 3: it seems like there's still still something left in the tank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's you know, that's a great point

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Speaker 2: Counsel's diligent about that. A guy is down, he's down.

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Speaker 1: They'd make those decisions before the game, and there's no

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Speaker 2: He's down. He's not an option for me, and he

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it costs him a game, because

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Speaker 1: he believes it could win you multiple more games down

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Speaker 1: the line. You know, maybe that that won them a

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Speaker 1: because the guys really aren't going to have days off

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Speaker 1: going forward, Like now's the time when you ride him,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I mean, I just I love like

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Speaker 1: I kind of love how random it is every year,

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Speaker 1: and this is I try and emphasize this. People are like,

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Speaker 1: what's what, what's Jed Hoyer doing picking up Drew Pomeranz?

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Speaker 1: What a waste of time? This guy's done like he does,

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Speaker 1: like he's in triple A. He can't even he's not

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Speaker 1: even on a major league roster. How's he gonna help

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Speaker 1: don't know what are they doing signing this Brad Keller guy.

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Speaker 1: He was defaed by the White Sox, one of the

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Speaker 1: best relievers going right now, Like I I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen with these relievers. Nobody does. So

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Speaker 1: when when they pick someone up and you haven't heard

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Speaker 1: just except that we cannot predict what's gonna happen with relievers,

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Speaker 1: Like somebody that was terrible last year could be great

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Speaker 1: this year. Danny Palencia has struggle. Last year, Porter Hodge

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Speaker 1: postseason roster. And Daniel Palencia has made got five insanely

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Speaker 1: huge outs. Uh, it's just I love the randomness of it.

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Speaker 1: It is again, it is maddening to cover because like

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Speaker 1: I'd like some sense of knowing what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of fun in another way because it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna know, Like I I could have looked

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Speaker 1: like a pool for writing about Brad Keller. On my

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Speaker 1: take advan advantage of this opportunity. I may never write

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Speaker 1: this insanely I think the story was about Keller and Palencia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you did know it was funny because I remember

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Speaker 3: I think I had to the way we staggered our

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Speaker 3: Alex Bregmant headline maybe for ten straight days, and then

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Speaker 3: it kind of resolved, I think when I was leaving.

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Speaker 3: And then You're like, I think we would write about

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Speaker 3: you know, like we I was, but I was. We

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Speaker 3: daily coverage anyways, And I did trust your instincts on that,

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Speaker 3: and I remember reading Council's quotes like he was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, he definitely confirmed it. I was like, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're onto something. That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't the like it's you know, first couple

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Speaker 1: When he didn't deny it and actually engaged on it,

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Speaker 2: I just thought I was, you know, searching for a

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's fun, you know, this type of

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Speaker 2: When talking to Craig Council.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember what day was, but recently he didn't

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Speaker 1: basically wasn't ruling out someone opening the game, or showed

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Speaker 1: him and I go, sure enough, it's an Andrew Kittridge.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think he was just looking at

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Speaker 1: any righty, maybe anyone but Keller, probably because he just

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Speaker 1: probably wants to deploy Keller in any fashion he can

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Speaker 1: in different moments of the game. But who knows, maybe

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Speaker 1: he considered Keller as well. But it's Kittridge. Kittridge has

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Speaker 1: a rubber arm. I would not overthink him pitching on

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday and being concerned about that. This guy, I

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Speaker 1: don't even think he pitched that many through that many pitches,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna face three batters and then you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a run, uh, assuming the Patres have the same lineup

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Speaker 1: out there, and and and then.

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Speaker 2: It showed him anog of time we'll see how he does.

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Speaker 2: You know, I.

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Speaker 1: Think playoff pitching handling, pitching staffs in the playoffs is

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Speaker 1: so different nowadays that like us trying to predict it

449
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Speaker 1: or understand it fully is is a little.

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Speaker 2: Is a little difficult.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you see some you know, Gar Crochet through a

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Speaker 1: ton today. Uh, Derek Schouoble. The Cubs don't have that guy.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is what Greg Counsel is doing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think what Craig Council said it

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Speaker 1: is opening press conference. If you're gonna like something about

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Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer, Like if you're gonna he told Jed Hoyr

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna hire me for how I handle a bullpen,

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Speaker 1: don't hire me. Yeah, but you know what, this is

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Speaker 1: why they hired you.

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Speaker 3: Something like that. Get it right, dude, I mean it's

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Speaker 3: it's funny. Today has made me think of lots of

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Speaker 3: sort of player memories that you and I have experienced

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Speaker 3: over the years. And just you know, seeing Arietta up

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Speaker 3: on the screen and you know, one of the sort

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Speaker 3: of conventions of playoff coverage is the next day starting

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Speaker 3: pitcher does he goes to the interview room or the

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Speaker 3: interview storage closet whatever it happens to be that year,

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Speaker 3: and you remember, oh, like John Lester going up against

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Speaker 3: Max Schurzer or he's going into New York or Arietta

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Speaker 3: during that run of You know, I think you might

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Speaker 3: have said that on Twitter at the time, but when

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Speaker 3: he told, you know, Pittsburgh fans like, you know, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Coming do whatever you want, none of just know that

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Speaker 2: none of it matters or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Just like the larger than my figures that starting pictures

477
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Speaker 3: were in that twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen era

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Speaker 3: was they just so heavily invested in starting pitchers and

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Speaker 3: they have stayed so unbelievably healthy. The game changes, and

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Speaker 3: you know, for the Cubs, just sort of as an aside,

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Speaker 3: I don't know however long it was after the game ended,

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Speaker 3: however long after we walked out of the club aspect,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Kittridge tomorrow. Very symbolic of kind of how

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Speaker 3: things have changed, how the Cubs organization. I know you

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Speaker 3: remember this at of I think it was kind of

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Speaker 3: a Cubs convention and maybe you asked to follow up

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Speaker 3: of the idea of using openers and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: and I think it was maybe THEO and or Jed

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Speaker 3: maybe separate times, just saying like, we are an organization

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Speaker 3: that believe in starting pitching, and they still do, but

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Speaker 3: they've definitely evolved along and changed along with the times.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was a GM meetings.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what year it was, but yes, that

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Speaker 1: specific answer, the one where he said we are I

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Speaker 1: think that was Jed, but it could have been. I

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Speaker 1: think you're right. I think both of them kind of

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Speaker 1: emphasized that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that distinctly

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Speaker 1: because it like stuck in my head, like, Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe he's right, maybe this isn't the trend. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just a fad. Clearly the game has changed. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's become a thing, and you know, they've tried to

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Speaker 1: even change the rules around it to make it and

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Speaker 1: and it has altered things slightly. But you know, I've

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Speaker 1: talked to THEO about this a lot, because we both

505
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Speaker 1: grew up loving starting pitching. Like he he talked about

506
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Speaker 1: how he'd make his summer schedule around like count the

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Speaker 1: days out, when can I go see Roger Clemens? And

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Speaker 1: I remember doing that and when I when I first

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Speaker 1: moved to the city. When can I go see carry

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Speaker 1: Wood or Mark pryor pitch So like these are that's

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Speaker 1: how you know, like when you're a baseball fan, that

512
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Speaker 1: used to.

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Speaker 2: Be how it is. I don't know fans that anymore.

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Speaker 1: I know, Like when I took my kids the other day,

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Speaker 1: like I was, like, my son was excited to see

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Speaker 1: Kate Horton. So maybe he can be a throwback. But

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Speaker 1: you know, these things aren't. It's just not the same

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Speaker 1: as it used to be. And that's okay, Like it's

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Speaker 1: still fun and like I said, like the.

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Speaker 2: Unpredictability of it kind of makes it interesting. You know,

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Speaker 2: he used to be a throwback. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: is anymore.

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Speaker 1: But going up against Dylan Cees, I.

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Speaker 2: I know he struggled on the road. I know his

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Speaker 2: numbers aren't great. I know people are gonna tell us.

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Speaker 1: You and I both heard things that he's just not

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Speaker 1: as good as he once was. I still would not

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Speaker 1: overlook Dylan Cees. He can strike guys out. If he's

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Speaker 1: locked in, it'll be a tough day. And all he

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Speaker 1: needs to do is give them five and keep them limited,

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Speaker 1: you know, limited to one or one or no runs,

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Speaker 1: and he's probably in a good spot because I don't

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Speaker 1: care who they use today, They're going to that bullpen

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Speaker 1: probably after five again. Uh So I'm not I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm not guaranteeing anything. I think the Cubs are obviously

536
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Speaker 1: in a good spot. You win the first game of

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Speaker 1: a three game postseason series, you're in a great spot.

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Speaker 2: But this won't be easy against Dyllan Cease.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a Dylan See's story. It's from the

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Speaker 3: way back machine, but I think speaks to what you

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Speaker 3: just alluded to, Sahadev of like Dylan Cees was like

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Speaker 3: freakishly athletic. That's why the Cubs you know, drafted him,

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Speaker 3: they developed him. And Justin Steele told me a version

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Speaker 3: of this story a while ago that Cees essentially confirmed

545
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Speaker 3: uh this year of just how they were both when

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Speaker 3: they were rehabbing at the Arizona Complex. They wound up

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Speaker 3: at like a lifetime fitness or something like that. They're

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Speaker 3: messing around play in basketball, and the way Steele described

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Speaker 3: it was like you could tell Seas didn't play like

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Speaker 3: a lot of basketball growing up, Like he was just

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Speaker 3: super like baseball, almost robot growing up in Georgia. But

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Speaker 3: like all of a sudden, he was doing these like

553
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Speaker 3: windmill dunks and stuff like that, and that Seas was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can't really do that anymore. Like that was at

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Speaker 3: the time of his career when they were just like

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Speaker 3: training all the time, coming back from Tommy Johnson that

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Speaker 3: he was just in like unbelievable shape and did not

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Speaker 3: have any of that sort of.

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Speaker 4: Like pitching soreness going on.

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Speaker 3: But he's like yeah, He's like yeah, I could. I

561
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Speaker 3: could throw him down. Back then, I just thought that

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Speaker 3: was hilarious. The way Steal like he kind of like, uh,

563
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: you know, mimicked the way like you know he's dried.

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Speaker 3: Season is like, sorry, Steel's like dribbling in imaginary basketball,

565
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Speaker 3: trying to explain it to me that, like.

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Speaker 4: All grey wasn't all of a sudden you just like

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Speaker 4: throwing them down.

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Speaker 3: That's like, see, if he had like any sort of

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Speaker 3: decent year, like we'd be everybody be talking about this

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Speaker 3: enormous contract he beginning. I mean I remember, I want

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Speaker 3: to say, maybe last offseason or even the season before,

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Speaker 3: it was like he was, you know, gonna be that

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Speaker 3: guy who's going to get a huge monster contract. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what the offseason holds for him. Don't really

575
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Speaker 3: know what to expect, but I'm I'm with you. I

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Speaker 3: think there's something you just can't dismiss someone who's like

577
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Speaker 3: been that spectacular at different points in his career and

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Speaker 3: has that much raw talent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I don't feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: predicting either way. Like I don't know that he's going

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Speaker 1: to dominate, and I don't know that the Cubs. The

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Speaker 1: Cubs very well could just get to him. I do

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Speaker 1: feel like they're guys having good at bats. I think

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Speaker 1: Bick Pivetta is going to get down. Like I just

585
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Speaker 1: submitted my Nlcy Young Award and I considered giving a

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Speaker 1: down ballot.

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Speaker 2: But to Nick Babetta, that's the type of season he's had.

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Speaker 2: He's had a great season, and.

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Speaker 1: He, like Dylan Sees, has a similar arsenal type thing,

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Speaker 1: like he's going to attack you with the four seamer

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Speaker 1: up and he's got a breaking ball and that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of what he has and it could be similar

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Speaker 1: and a little lesser, and maybe that's a good thing

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Speaker 1: for the Cups. That's I think is how you spin

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Speaker 1: it positively. The other thing is that the negative is

596
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Speaker 1: if he's locked in and he's got the swing and

597
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: miss stuff, it could be a long day and then

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Speaker 1: you just and then you fall behind and now you're

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Speaker 1: you're in a really difficult situation. I didn't say that earlier,

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Speaker 1: but that was that was a huge thing that that happened.

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Speaker 1: To get those two runs and to not have to

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Speaker 1: be chasing against the bullpen was so big. It just

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Speaker 1: completely changed how that dugout must have felt. You get

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Speaker 1: those two runs and like it was, you know it.

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Speaker 1: It changed everything and could be what changes the series.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if they finished it off.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I saw a stat that, you know,

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Speaker 1: these wildcard rounds are new, but if you win game one,

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Speaker 1: you're undefeated in the series. That's that's what it's been. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna change. Cubs fans certainly hope it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: For this series.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we got we got one more at least, Patrick

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Speaker 1: and maybe we'll be seeing another champagne celebration. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. We'll be back at it as soon as

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Speaker 1: as soon as we can. After tomorrow's game, we'll be

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Speaker 1: chatting with you guys. Thanks so much for listening. Everyone.

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