WEBVTT - The AT&T Story - Part Two

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with text Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff dot com. Eisn everyone, and welcome to tex Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jonathan Stricklettenhand, I'm Lauren, and we're going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>our discussion about a big old company and technology. And

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into it, you know, I totally forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention this in the last episode, that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the episode where it really counts. We had a listener

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<v Speaker 1>request this topic. Yeah, Earl request this topic on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to check out his tweets, it's

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<v Speaker 1>E A R L E underscore c L U b B.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where he sends out those those tweets on the

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter thing. So his tweet was, how about an episode

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<v Speaker 1>on the history of a T and T, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>deregulation of the telco industry. Now, of course we already

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the founding of a T and T, but

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<v Speaker 1>and how it started off kind of as a natural monopoly. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're going to really look into how that continued

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<v Speaker 1>and how the United States government began to put the

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<v Speaker 1>brakes on a T and T a little bit, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>because at the beginning they had kind of been saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you guys have this terrific infrastructure. You go

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<v Speaker 1>on and build that. That's terrific, right, this would be

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly useful for the United States and so and then

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<v Speaker 1>and they took it over just for example, during World

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<v Speaker 1>War One, which we talked about in the first episode,

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<v Speaker 1>government said let's just take over this for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then returned it barely used just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years later. So we left off in the twenties. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're picking up right around nineteen twenty four, which is

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<v Speaker 1>when A. T and T developed something that frankly, I

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<v Speaker 1>was shocked at how early the development for this technology came.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't expect to see this. It's a telephotography, which

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<v Speaker 1>is also called a fax machine in NS. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea. People were faxing goofy little pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>of early twentieth century folklore back and forth, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>letting people know that if you if you forward this

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<v Speaker 1>one letter, Rockefeller will give you free M and m's

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I don't know. I don't think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>was actually being facts at the time. I honestly, UH

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<v Speaker 1>just made all that up because it didn't research that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what the first facts was hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>not not some sort of email scam we should do

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<v Speaker 1>we should do another. I think we actually got a

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<v Speaker 1>request for a facts related episode. We should totally look

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<v Speaker 1>into that. Sometimes we should do one about facts machines

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<v Speaker 1>and one on facts lore, which is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>predecessor to the Internet email memes that we see today

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<v Speaker 1>or Facebook games. Exactly. Okay, so things that we do

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<v Speaker 1>know about Bell Telephone Laboratories Incorporated open for business. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>that is Bell's R and D Lab, which would come

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<v Speaker 1>out with some of the most important pieces of technology

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. Exactly. Yes, Bell Labs famous for

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<v Speaker 1>their research. And here's the thing is that the research

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<v Speaker 1>that Bell Labs did was not always directly related to

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone industry, at least not way that you could

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<v Speaker 1>tell from the surface, but but down the line would

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<v Speaker 1>become critical. Exactly. It's uh, it's instrumental in the way

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<v Speaker 1>telephones work today. Now, nineteen six that's when Bell Labs

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<v Speaker 1>and Western Electric begin to make sound equipment for these

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<v Speaker 1>crazy moving pictures that are coming out of the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>these days. That's crazy. Yeah, so obviously not too far

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<v Speaker 1>from the whole idea of transmitting sound. Now it's recording

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<v Speaker 1>and playing back sound in a way that works in

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<v Speaker 1>a synchronized fashion with moving pictures. Nineteen seven, A T

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<v Speaker 1>and T begins trans atlantic telephone service between London and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. But they don't have a cable. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no cable connecting the US in London at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be via a radio signal. Yeah, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, it was. It was a slight

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<v Speaker 1>a little expensive to make a phone call. I it

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<v Speaker 1>was seventy five bucks for three minutes. Yeah, which if

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at nineteen seven dollars and then you compare

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<v Speaker 1>them to today's dollars. I used the Beer Row of

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<v Speaker 1>labor Statistics, which uses the Consumer Price Index two factor

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<v Speaker 1>in how much stuff costs from one era to another.

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<v Speaker 1>According to that, that would be about a thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight dollars for those three minutes. So if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely important phone call right to your British buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're in London your Yankee friend, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much. That's that's pretty expensive. Um. Nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Labs broadcast the first public demonstration of a color

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<v Speaker 1>television picture that's early too. Yeah, and it was the

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<v Speaker 1>thing they showed was a telephone operator, of course, dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in a colorful costume, and UH A T and T

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<v Speaker 1>researchers that year filed a patent for coaxial cable for

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<v Speaker 1>broadband transmission. As of that year, there are more than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million phones in the United States, and fifteen point

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<v Speaker 1>four million of those are operated by Bell. UH and

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<v Speaker 1>they've got how many, have four hundred and fifty thousand employees.

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<v Speaker 1>They start it off with one Thomas Watson. UH. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they're up to four d and fifty thousand. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>Watson was no longer with the company at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>but at any rate, Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And so

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty Bell starts to hold demonstrations to teach customers

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<v Speaker 1>how to use dial service, the rotary dial, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>before that, whenever you picked up a phone, you would

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<v Speaker 1>reach an operator and you would tell the operator where

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to place your call. They would find out

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<v Speaker 1>how to root it and do it for you. And UH,

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the nine twenties they were starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get into some electro mechanical systems that would do that

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<v Speaker 1>for you but or for the operators, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>had to talk to an operator to get your call

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<v Speaker 1>to where it was going. This was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that you would use a number, a data set to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the phone what you wanted to do. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is where people started to get phone numbers and

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<v Speaker 1>you would start to dial numbers and uh and all

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<v Speaker 1>the all the switching was handled by electro mechanical switches

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<v Speaker 1>at that point forward. But you had to teach people

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<v Speaker 1>how to do this because it was new. No one

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<v Speaker 1>had ever had to do it before. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many of our listeners are familiar with the

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<v Speaker 1>old rotary dialing phones. Dialing on those could be really

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<v Speaker 1>fun if you were a kid, but if you were

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<v Speaker 1>an adult making the Earth fifth or six phone call

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<v Speaker 1>that day, you would just sit there and hope that

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<v Speaker 1>none of the numbers you had to call were in

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<v Speaker 1>that nine range. Yeah, where you know, you dial and

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<v Speaker 1>you just the whole thing click click, click click cick

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<v Speaker 1>ci cick cick click. Good times. So by nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Bell had was in control of seventy nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>national telecommunications market in the United States. They had made

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<v Speaker 1>acquisitions throughout those years and had bought up smaller companies,

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<v Speaker 1>so nearly of all telecommunications in the US falls under,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an effectively a monopoly. Oh sure, right, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also up from what's that about seventy five only

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. So yeah, so they were they

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<v Speaker 1>were continuing to grow, and they were already practically the

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<v Speaker 1>only game in town. So and a monopoly doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to really be the only business, right, You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be just the only one out there offering something.

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<v Speaker 1>To have a monopoly, you just have to be so

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<v Speaker 1>large that no one can realistically compete with you on

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<v Speaker 1>any similar level. So let's say, for example, that Google

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<v Speaker 1>were to to completely dominate search. They're they're pretty far

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<v Speaker 1>in the lead. Let's say they completely dominated to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where no other search engine is even close. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Google would have to start worrying about being identified as

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<v Speaker 1>a monopoly. And this is the funny thing is this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean that people are practicing unfair, you know, tactics.

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<v Speaker 1>That just may mean that the way they do business

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<v Speaker 1>was the way that resonated with a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can have different views of monopolies. You can

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<v Speaker 1>either see people trying their best to try and grab

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<v Speaker 1>up as much as the pie as possible, or you

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<v Speaker 1>just see people just doing a really good job and

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<v Speaker 1>then being punished for it. So there are two sides

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<v Speaker 1>to this coin. I think in this case, in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>it was due to that entire government regulation of basically

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<v Speaker 1>allowing them to be a monopoly could be. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>had a huge head start and then the government gave

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<v Speaker 1>them an even bigger boost. Well, first of all, because

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<v Speaker 1>of that whole patent thing we talked about in the

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, they had exclusive rights for the longest time,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, they definitely benefited quite a bit. Moving on, so,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty four, A t T began trans Pacific telephone

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<v Speaker 1>service between the United States and Japan via radio signals.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, as with many of these beginning services, you

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<v Speaker 1>could only put through a single call at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>right and now granted they had they had improved the

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<v Speaker 1>efficiency of radio by that time. So remember just a

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<v Speaker 1>few years earlier, that Transatlantic call was around seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>bucks for three minutes. They lowered the costs for Pacific calls,

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<v Speaker 1>which is amazing. It was only thirty nine bucks for

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<v Speaker 1>three minutes, yep, which in today's money would be about

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<v Speaker 1>six d. Yeah, you know, it's pocket forget your friends

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<v Speaker 1>in London call your buddies over in Tokyo Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>still expensive, but not nearly as much as it was before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this brings us up. Ninety four is big year

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<v Speaker 1>for a T and T because that's also when the

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<v Speaker 1>United States government passed the Communications Act of nineteen thirty four.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought about passing the Communications Act of nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four nineteen thirty three, but the name just didn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>so they held off for a full year. Lawrence just

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<v Speaker 1>staring at me. She doesn't like it when I throw

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<v Speaker 1>in jokes, so especially bad ones. Established that that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the act that actually established the Federal Communications Commission, also

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<v Speaker 1>known as the f c C. Now, the FCC did

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<v Speaker 1>not just spring out fully formed and have brand new powers.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually kind of absorbed some previously existing organizations like

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Radio Commission and parts not all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but parts of the Interstate Commerce Commission that governed telephone

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<v Speaker 1>and tele graph operations and kind of centralized all this

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<v Speaker 1>because this was one of those examples of how technology

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<v Speaker 1>outpaces legislation absolutely, and so this was the United States

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<v Speaker 1>government attempt to try and catch up to the state

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<v Speaker 1>of affairs because they said, well, you know, back when

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<v Speaker 1>this was starting we had no idea where it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go, and now we need to be big

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<v Speaker 1>enough thing, And especially considering that more and more people

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<v Speaker 1>were using radio signals. In the way that radio signals

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<v Speaker 1>work is that you cannot have two signals on the

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<v Speaker 1>same bandwidth going out near each other because they'll conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>You end up getting interference. Interference, right, So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so government regulations starting to crack down on how

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<v Speaker 1>people could use these new fancy radio signals in order

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the airways clear for everyone's use, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>it also gave the FCC authority to regulate rates of

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<v Speaker 1>interstate and international common carriers and administration relating to electronic communication,

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<v Speaker 1>which was basically saying don't gouge your customers. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, a T and T remember was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much exclusive as far as lawn distance goes. So any

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<v Speaker 1>regional operator had to pay a toll in order for

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<v Speaker 1>their customers to be able to access long distance. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if let's say, Lauren, You're in Atlanta and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call me, and for some reason, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in Omaha, Nebraska, and there are two different regional carriers,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you are using your regional carrier to tie

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<v Speaker 1>into the A T and T long distance service and

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<v Speaker 1>then that call goes to me, Well, your regional service

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<v Speaker 1>has to pay a fee in order to access that

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<v Speaker 1>A T n T long distance and then that fee

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<v Speaker 1>usually gets passed down to you, the customer. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was a way of preventing any company, specifically A T

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<v Speaker 1>and T, because they were really the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>could have that kind of wield, that kind of power

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<v Speaker 1>right from raising prices so much that it puts other

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<v Speaker 1>companies out of business or it puts undue harm on

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<v Speaker 1>the consumer. That was the intent. Uh. That brings us

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<v Speaker 1>up to nine. When A T and T completed the

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<v Speaker 1>first around the world call, it went all the way

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. That seems uh less than useful in

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<v Speaker 1>a technical sense, but good to know that they could

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<v Speaker 1>do it. It was an impressive display of technology, not practical.

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<v Speaker 1>If I want to if I want to call you,

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<v Speaker 1>I just stand up and shout over the divider between

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<v Speaker 1>our desks. I don't, I don't, No, I don't, I

0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.360
<v Speaker 1>don't not anymore, not on not on Tuesdays anyway. Not

0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.600
<v Speaker 1>after hr taught to me uh ninety seven, that's when

0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Clinton Davidson of Bell Telephone Labs wins the Nobel Prize

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<v Speaker 1>in Physics for experimental confirmation of the wave nature of electrons.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first Nobel Prize awarded to someone

0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.600
<v Speaker 1>working out of Bell Labs. It would not be the last.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, in case you're wondering the whole wave nature

0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of electrons, well, electrons are particles, but in the lab

0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.720
<v Speaker 1>we have I say, we scientists have observed that electrons

0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.400
<v Speaker 1>could also behave like waves. And so this was whole

0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.040
<v Speaker 1>wave particle duality thing you can hear about in various

0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.719
<v Speaker 1>types of particle physics, quantum mechanics, that kind of thing. Uh,

0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.880
<v Speaker 1>we won't go into it here because it's outside the

0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.600
<v Speaker 1>realm of this podcast, but fascinating stuff. So it's no

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise they got the Nobel Prize. Now ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone is deployed as quote a weapon of preparedness

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. That's also when Western Electric makes signal core

0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.000
<v Speaker 1>sets leading up to the US involvement in World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>So signal core sets are essentially kind of like radio telephones.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something that certain, uh, certain units in World

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<v Speaker 1>War two had access to in order to maintain communications.

0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And UH just showed that this company was still very

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<v Speaker 1>much involved in government uh projects, which will become important

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So now we're up to nineteen forty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked earlier about how Bell Labs was was

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<v Speaker 1>pioneering coaxial cable development in the laboratory is when they

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<v Speaker 1>actually installed the first non experimental coaxial cable for Bell

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<v Speaker 1>service between Minneapolis, Minnesota and Steven's Point, Wisconsin. So this

0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.160
<v Speaker 1>is physical cable they're laying down for the transmission of

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<v Speaker 1>signals as opposed to transmitting them over the air, UM

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<v Speaker 1>and UH and it was a success, ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>the basis for the cable industry, also for the early

0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:11.880
<v Speaker 1>internet industry. Pretty impressive stuff. Now, this is when World

0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.320
<v Speaker 1>War Two is being waged around the world, mostly in

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<v Speaker 1>the course the European and UH Southeast Asia theaters. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also a time when Bell employees would serve

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<v Speaker 1>in World War two. UH and and Bell companies would

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<v Speaker 1>wind up producing more than one thousand two D defense

0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 1>projects for all all kinds of stuff. I mean, you know, materials, radios, radar, mind, fuses,

0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.280
<v Speaker 1>all of that technical stuff that needed to happen. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that another government project that was a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of what a T and T was doing at that

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<v Speaker 1>point three was when A T and T begins automation

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<v Speaker 1>of long distance switching. So now there at this point

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<v Speaker 1>the rolling it out would take years, sure, but but

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<v Speaker 1>it was just not only local service but also across

0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.520
<v Speaker 1>different local UH networks right right, local operators connecting to

0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the long distance one. You were starting to see the

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<v Speaker 1>switching become automated. UH. That would be a big it

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<v Speaker 1>proven in efficiency to as of of American households had

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<v Speaker 1>a telephone. The problem was they all wanted to call

0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the other half. Yeah, so darned when are they When

0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.280
<v Speaker 1>are the Johnson's game? That phone was when a T

0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and T offers mobile telephone service in St. Louis, Missouri,

0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and that it's not what you're thinking of. Well he

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.639
<v Speaker 1>had a car. Yeah, these were These were not the

0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of handheld devices that that even Zach Morris would

0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:47.080
<v Speaker 1>have many decades later. By the bell reference, that's that's

0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.159
<v Speaker 1>that's after my time. But I get it. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>think each region of service had a single antenna which

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<v Speaker 1>could handle about twenty calls at once at most most

0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.959
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it was between wellve and twenty. It all

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.960
<v Speaker 1>depended upon the antenna. Yeah. These were again using radio signals,

0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of like those those transatlantic and Transpacific connections that

0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.800
<v Speaker 1>we talked about earlier, but on a more mobile scale.

0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.919
<v Speaker 1>You would call in and it would it would communicate

0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.439
<v Speaker 1>to it to a tower, kind of similar to cell service,

0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's not cell service. Yeah, if you if you

0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 1>moved outside the range of that antenna, you would not

0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.760
<v Speaker 1>be able to place that call because there were there

0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.399
<v Speaker 1>weren't cells. You know, we will have to do a

0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.640
<v Speaker 1>full episode on how cell phones work at some point

0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to explain that handoff process. But there was no handoff process,

0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:35.679
<v Speaker 1>so if you moved out of range, that was it.

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And these mobile telephones were enormous and heavy. They were

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<v Speaker 1>more akin to the sort of stuff you would have

0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.720
<v Speaker 1>seen in like if you ever watched the World War

0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.520
<v Speaker 1>two movie where they have one of those backpack radios. Yeah,

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I think Patent carries a few around sometimes

0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a little closer to that, not quite

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<v Speaker 1>as military looking, but similar in size and weight. So

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<v Speaker 1>not something that was terribly useful for the average person,

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<v Speaker 1>but for some people like truck drivers it might come

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<v Speaker 1>in handy or other other people who happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>very mobile but have a large carrying capacity. On the

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.920
<v Speaker 1>middle of times, um, so the this is also the

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<v Speaker 1>year seven when Bell Labs employees invent a particular piece

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.880
<v Speaker 1>of technology that would go on to play a very

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<v Speaker 1>important role I think, and not only telephone industry, but

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.880
<v Speaker 1>computers the future as we know it. But we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the transistor. Yep, that it was Bell Labs that

0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.639
<v Speaker 1>came up with the transistor. And we've talked about and

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.240
<v Speaker 1>we talked about these gentlemen before. There were three people

0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.840
<v Speaker 1>in particular leading that project who ended up later on

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<v Speaker 1>winning a Nobel Prize for that invention. That's John Bardine,

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Walter Brittaine, and then William Shockley. We talked about recently

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:50.479
<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about another company, Shockley's shocking views

0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that led the some people to to become the Traitorous

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.159
<v Speaker 1>eight or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, and and and

0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this transistor. We talked in the previous episode about vacue

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.160
<v Speaker 1>tubes being such a huge development in the telecommunications industry

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.200
<v Speaker 1>because they allowed for those first electro mechanical computers to

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<v Speaker 1>to work. And the transistor was what would replace these

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.640
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes in anything that was doing computing work. Yeah,

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.520
<v Speaker 1>it would allow you to do amplification, it would allow

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.160
<v Speaker 1>you to do and miniaturization. Maniaturization was the big thing.

0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.359
<v Speaker 1>It reduced heat and it allowed you for miniaturization, something

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that you couldn't do with vacuum tubes, which meant that

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.600
<v Speaker 1>our computers no longer would take up the space of

0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>a building, could eventually take up the space of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket. All of this really makes me wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>would have happened if a T and T had not

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<v Speaker 1>had the reach and power and the money to have

0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 1>this research and development lab. You know, if if they

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<v Speaker 1>had not been the crazy not quite monopoly sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a monopoly that they were, you know, would you know

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 1>parallel development was going on in some other labs time.

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.240
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think we would have eventually seen the transistor,

0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.159
<v Speaker 1>but it probably would have come out later, and it

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.440
<v Speaker 1>probably would have to get longer to get ramped up

0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 1>into a a form that would be manufacturable because this

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.280
<v Speaker 1>early transistor was not something you would put in any

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of electronics. It was more of a proof of concept.

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever seen a replica of it, it was enormous.

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's one transistor. Keep in mind that your

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<v Speaker 1>average microprocessor could have a billion or more transistors on it.

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.399
<v Speaker 1>This thing was big enough to fit like it was,

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<v Speaker 1>it would fit in the palm of your hand, but

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<v Speaker 1>not the nets would Yeah. So so this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is early days yet so I think our world would

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 1>be significantly different had that not happened. So let's move

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 1>on to Uh. That was when A T T began

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.359
<v Speaker 1>offering networking services for TV. Yeah, in the Northeast and

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the Midwest. So uh, you know. The way it would

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>work is that your your networks, your big networks, would

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>use this service to transmit programming to affiliated stations in

0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.199
<v Speaker 1>different regions of the United States. So that way you

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>could have like the Big Network broadcast out of someplace

0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like New York and then have that sent to UH

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.760
<v Speaker 1>to an affiliate station that might be far across the country.

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>This was also the year that A t T began

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to build its first microwave relay system between New York

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.919
<v Speaker 1>and Boston. And microwave relay is a an improvement on,

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>or not an improvement, but but a parallel development on

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that radio transmission that we've been talking about. It's um

0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a series of antennas or dishes that carry data

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.199
<v Speaker 1>via microwave, and these can be sent to narrow beams

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 1>directly to the receiving devices, which means that you can

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>have multiple devices working within the same bandwidth at the

0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 1>same time, so you dramatically increased capacity that way, right right, UM.

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, they've also got a higher bandwidth than other

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 1>radio waves. But you do have to have a direct

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.160
<v Speaker 1>line of sight, which means that you know it's it's

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you can't have something behind a hill or behind a

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 1>tree or behind a house. It's not gonna work. Yeah,

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.919
<v Speaker 1>So there were limitations, but still dramatic improvements in in

0:22:56.119 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 1>being able to transmit information and both data and sass

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it would turn out. Uh. So moving on, we now

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>get hit in nine with another antitrust suit. We don't

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>actually uh, this would not be resolved for several years,

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and believe us, we will tell you about it when

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that happens. In my timeline. By that time, A T

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and T controlled about eight percent of the telecommunications industry

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, so still holding study from several

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.639
<v Speaker 1>years before when they were at seventy. But keep in

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 1>mind the industry is growing by leaps and bounds like

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.640
<v Speaker 1>that that of American households with telephones is growing over

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a time. So while A T and t s percentage

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>might have gone from the actual numbers are huge all right. Right,

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.679
<v Speaker 1>As of seventy seventy percent of American households would have

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.439
<v Speaker 1>a telephone. So that's that's the range that it was

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>growing a huge jump. Yeah, and back in nine that's

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>also an A T and T introduced the five hundred

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>series telephone, which was one of the most recognizable phones

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 1>ever introduced. If you ever seen this. It's essentially the

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.760
<v Speaker 1>base station with the rotary dial on it, and then

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you have the back of it. The top back has

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the cradle where the handset sits. And uh, it's just

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>one of those phones that once you see it, you're like, oh, yeah,

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what. Even if only phone I've ever seen is

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a smartphone, somehow I recognize that that's a phone. Um, yeah,

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.640
<v Speaker 1>because phones don't like that or sound like that anymore.

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>And yet it's still the enduring image, I would say.

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's probably the where the sound that we think

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of as a telephone ring comes from. As well. You know,

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 1>before we all had you know, whatever Miley Cyrus ring

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>tones are, etcetera. Hey, let's not reveal to the listeners

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 1>what my ringtone is. But we talked about that one.

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>A T and T introduces customer dialing of domestic long

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 1>distance calls, and it started in Inglewood, New Jersey. So

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>before that time, you could make local calls dialing. We

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.639
<v Speaker 1>talked about that earlier, but you would still connect with

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.359
<v Speaker 1>an operator to make a long distance call. Also that

0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>your A T and T helped broadcast a live ends

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>continental television show. Actually it was an address that President

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Harry Truman made to the Japan Peace Treaty Conference at

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the United Nations. So big, big development in in just

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>television broadcast at that point, right. This was thanks to

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that to that microwave relay network that I was talking

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>about that they had spent the past few years building.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Um As of nineteen fifty one, it was a system

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.479
<v Speaker 1>of a hundred and seven towers, some thirty miles apart

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>each and this telecast happened only a month after the

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:33.239
<v Speaker 1>very first call was placed via this microwave network. They

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>moved up their telecast schedule by almost a month in

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>order to accommodate President Truman. That's pretty incredible that they

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>were able to accommodate that so quickly, considering that it

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>was just recently it was new technology. Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen fifty four, for the first time, Western Electric begins

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 1>to produce telephones in different colors, giving choices to consumers.

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.159
<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't just black telephones anymore. Now you can

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>get them in beige. Uh. Six was the resolution of

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that anti trust lawsuit. Yeah, so this was a big deal.

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>So part of the antitrust lawsuit meant that a T

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and T agreed to restrict itself to just dealing with

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the telephone industry and also occasionally doing any sort of

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 1>projects for the federal government that was asked of it,

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.199
<v Speaker 1>but otherwise to stay out of other industries television, of

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the slowly burgeoning computer industry that was going on at

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the time. So essentially they were they were saying, all right,

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, we we don't want any trouble, Mr. United

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>States Government. We will back off. So this is the

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 1>first of that of that telco industry regulation. But we'll

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>get into a one that directly affected A. T and

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>T even more than this did another couple of decades,

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>but see an even bigger one. Um that this particular

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>consent decree also included a stipulation that A. T and

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>T had to place its patents for the transistor which

0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>which our friends, uh the nice studely dudes Bardine and Britain,

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, and Shockley Yes, uh, they won the Nobel

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Prize for it this year. Um, they had to place

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the patents for that transistor in the public domain and

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>be willing to license their tech for about dollars, which,

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>according to that Bureau of Labor Statistics calculator would be

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>about two d and fifteen thousand dollars, right, And when

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>you think about the benefit of transistors, it's it's fortunate

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that that happened, absolutely because imagine a world where a

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>T and T had had held onto that for yeah,

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I had what if they had had exclusive rights to

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the transistor the way they had exclusive rights to the

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>telephone company. Certainly, everything that we talked about in our

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>in our last in our in our last few podcasts

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>where we've talked about companies that were like fair Child

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Semiconductor and also things like Texas Instruments and other companies

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that that did pioneering work with transistors, obviously that would

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not have been the case had they not been allowed

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to license that technology. So yeah, big, big uh decision there.

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Also six was when service opened up for the TET one,

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>which was the Transatlantic uh telephone cable. Now, this is

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a cable that actually did stretch all the way from

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the United States to Europe, and the initial capacity was

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 1>for thirty six calls at a time, so much better

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>than that one call at a time radio method they

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>had been using decades before, and they were also of

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 1>a higher quality. The calls that you could place than

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>via radio, and the cost was a near twelve dollars

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>for the first three minutes, which translates to about a

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred and three bucks today, So a hundred three dollar

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>phone call for three minutes. And we're also slightly more secure.

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>There is less chance of somebody else. It's a lot

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>harder to tap into a phone line when it's underwater,

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>more difficult, not that I speak from experience. Was also

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the year that the first picture phone system was tested.

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh and and by picture phone, I mean this is

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 1>this isn't FaceTime, it's you know. It would send an

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>image about once every two seconds. And we're gonna get

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more into picture phone shenanigans. In the

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>following years, A T and T introduced the first commercial modem,

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>which was meant for enterprise customers, not not average consumers.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>So it allowed for computers to make a direct connection

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>to one another. There's not such a thing as as

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a network yet that that would come into play once

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>our PA net really would give her a would rise

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>up in a couple of years. But modems, of course,

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>became very important for that kind of technology to exist.

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>A T. And also began research work in lasers and

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>fiber optics. That again another transformative technology in telecommunications. Speaking

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>of transformative technologies, I believe you have a really important note.

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I included this one just for Lauren because Lauren's a girl.

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, girls like pink. So I know this because

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the technology industries have taught me numerous times by all

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the pink electronics that are out there, that pink is

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>for girls, and girls like pink, and if you don't

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like pink, then something's wrong, right, right, absolutely? Yeah. So anyway,

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously I don't really believe any of that, but the

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>introduction of the Pink Princess Phone game in nineteen fifty nine,

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and then I have a note here which says, don't

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>hit me, Lauren, Lauren, please don't hit me. All Right,

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>we know we're gonna take a quick break to thank

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>our sponsor. While Lauren calms down. Alright, we're back. Lauren,

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>has your murderous rage kind of died down to just

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>just a loathing? No, yeah, I guess, I mean, you know,

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just normal, normal levels at that point. Okay, um, no,

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>so okay, So coming back to the timeline, in nineteen

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>launched Echo, which was a balloon off which data could

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>be bounced. And this is about to become important because

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two they would launch Telestar one, which

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>was the very first active communications satellite. Right. Remember that

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>at this time, the satellites that have been launched into

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>orbit would usually transmit a very weak, very simple signal

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>just to alert people on the ground that in fact

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>it existed, right. It was just a ping really. Yeah,

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>So like spot Nick, it was the machine that went

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>ping and went around the world a few times, and

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.959
<v Speaker 1>people on the ground could detect it, but you couldn't

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>communicate with it. You couldn't use it to bounce signals

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>off of it. It was really just there as a

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>proof of concept. So the Tellstar one allowed for actual

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>live transmission of television across the Atlantic. Yeah. And and

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the first phone call transferred through space was between the

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>A T and T chairman and the Vice President of

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the United States within thirty minutes. That also tested live

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and taped television and other data. That the whole project

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>was a collaboration with NASA actually, but it was the

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>first privately sponsored space launch. Yeah, and now look at

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>our world. Private private sponsored space launches are are becoming

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the way that we're getting into space these days. Nineteen

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty three, A T and T introduces touch tone service,

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>so we start to see the rotary dial begin to disappear,

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and now we have the keypad, the familiar keypad if

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you've ever used a an old phone with a keypad.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>And some of you guys just don't even know what

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>that is. All your all your buttons have appeared on

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the screen. It's it's what the buttons replicate on a screen. Mom. Yeah,

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to skew more fic dial pad where it's

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the rotary top pad. I'm sure there has to be one,

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>oh something for me to not one of you clever

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>app makers out there do that. The rotary dial dial face.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I would give myself. I would

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>just be less likely to make phone calls, which I

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>guess is a good thing in the wrong run. I

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>no one wants to hear from me anyway, I'm alright.

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>A T T opens t PC one, which was the

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>first submarine telephone cable across the Pacific. So this stretched

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>from Japan to Hawaii and they're connected to two cables

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that linked Hawaii with the mainland. Um so Experimental Picture

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Phone service also begins in some cities and talked about that. Right.

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.719
<v Speaker 1>It was installed specifically in exhibits at Disneyland and at

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the New York World's Fair. Yea, so again, I had

0:32:56.040 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a motor and UH and a camera and was very primitive,

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.959
<v Speaker 1>but it was sort of the the predecessor to what

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>we would think of as video calls, which still we're

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>waiting to take off. Nineteen six, A T and T

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>installs a special purpose computer which was the first electronic

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>telephone switch in a local telephone exchange in New Jersey.

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that first which was the four E

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>S S, which could handle about five hundred thousand calls

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>per hour, which was ten times the amount of the

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>standard electro mechanical switch could handle exactly. So now we're

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>moving into the digital age and beyond the electro mechanical age.

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen sixty eight, A T and T introduces nine one

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>one as the US nationwide emergency number, first rolled out

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>in Huntington's Indiana. Other countries have their own emergency numbers,

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and UH, I have to mention, you know, according to

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the I T crowd, apparently the UK just changed it

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to O one eight nine nine nine eight eight one

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>nine nine to five three. I had to put that

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, incredibly important. UM. As of nineteen of

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>American households had a phone line. Finally, slackers. They just

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't have anyone they wanted to talk to. Nineteen seventy

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>T and T introduces customer dialing for international long distance

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>telephone calls, starting with Manhattan and London. UM. Also that year,

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a commercial picture phone service debut in downtown Pittsburgh and

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and went absolutely nowhere. Basically nobody cared at all. I

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>think they were like, this is cumbersome and kind of stupid,

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want it. I think for a lot

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>of us, video calls are still kind of slow to

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>be adopted because it means having to keep some part

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of your house pristine so that the people who are

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>calling you don't realize how you really live. I'm always

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>really nervous about about web web chat calls at work

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, oh, crap, what's going on in the background.

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Is Josh doing something inappropriate back there? You know? But

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>like by inappropriate, I mean like using the swords that

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Chuck has to have a fight with someone else in

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the editorial department, not that he would ever do that

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>again Labs produced the Unix operating system. Yeah. Huge development here.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>So the idea was to create an operating system that

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>was platform independent, meaning that you could put this operating

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.959
<v Speaker 1>system on different types of computers. Because keep in mind,

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>in the early days, a lot of these computers had

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>proprietary systems that they would operate on, and that was it.

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>You could not have. You couldn't run the same kind

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>of software for one computer and an on a yeah,

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>because exactly because they did, they weren't compatible. You had

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to recompile all of your programming into a different language

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>so I would run on a different computer. This was

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of an attempt to allow A T and T

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to have a computer system where it didn't really matter

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>what hardware they had as long as it could run

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>this operating system. They could run the same software across

0:35:54.880 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the multiple divisions. Huge development. Absolutely. Um In nineteen seven,

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 1>D five, armed partially with this, a T T begin

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>to computerize its operations. Yeah. Yeah, and the computers could

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>handle a much larger call volume. Like you mentioned earlier, Lauren,

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>that that one switch was a good example. So we're

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>starting to see, uh a rapid rollout of development, although

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>it would take probably ten years for this to be

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>uh to be complete, because you know, it's a huge infrastructure, right,

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're talking about a nationwide telephone service. So

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not like you just flip a switch and suddenly

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>everything's magically in computer world, right right. Um. Yeah, In fact,

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it would take until to complete the transition. So that's true.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>The very last toll switch was completed in so even

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>longer than I said ten years. I was way off.

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Ninety six that's when m c I filed an antitrust

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>suit against A T and T. Now they had started

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>looking at the possibility of pursuing this kind of uh

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>legal action back in the you know, a little earlier

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. They met with the Department of Justice,

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>but A T and T ended up disconnecting m c

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:12.479
<v Speaker 1>i s foreign exchange customers. Kind of it doesn't say

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>directly in response to m c I asking the d

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>o J about this, but you might be able to

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 1>draw that conclusion. So with this antitrust lawsuit filed against

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>A T and T, the Department of Justice would then

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>look into the matter and file its own antitrust lawsuit

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>against A T and T. In nineteen seventy seven, So

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that will come into play in just a couple of years.

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Where that's that's the big one we talk about the

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>big this this lawsuit would go on for six years. Yeah.

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So in seventy seven, besides the fact that the d

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>o J brought an antitrust lawsuit against it, A T

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and T also opened the first network operations center in

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. Now, this allowed A T and T to

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>have a centralized location where they can have real time

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>management of its entire long distance network. Instead of having

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of regional offices that all coordinate together, they

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>could actually control everything from one spot, like you know,

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the Empire. That same year, A T and T installed

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the first fiber optic cable in a commercial communication system,

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>so using light as opposed to electricity through a copper wire.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Night on the On his first day on the bench,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Judge Harold Green drew the A T and T Anti

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>trust case. Can you imagine that your first day on

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the bench as a judge and you draw the A

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>T and T Anti trust case. I think that must

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>in fact be where jokes about like the cases of

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the Mondays come from. That's pretty ridiculous. A case of

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.919
<v Speaker 1>many years of mondays for that poor judge nineteen seventy nine.

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>All right, So in the United States they had about

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>a hundred seventy five million, five thirty five thousand telephones active,

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>give or take a few, and Bell had more than

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a million employees. That's incredible, a million people working for

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>this company. That's phenomenal. M c I wins its antitrust

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 1>loss it against A T and T and the United

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.439
<v Speaker 1>States versus A T and T goes to trial. So

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the m c I lawsuits over, but the Department of

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Justices lawsuits. Yeah. So that brings us to January two.

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna end on this year and we'll pick up

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>in night in our next podcast. But six years of

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>this federal antitrust case going on in some form or another,

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>A T and T is up against the wall. They

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 1>have really very few options. So they agree to divest

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>themselves of the seven regional Bell Operating UH company carriers

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 1>that they owned. So like the big ones, which also

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>represented smaller companies inside it was up until this point

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>um generally referred to as mob bell. And yeah, all

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the different bell system Southwestern Bell, Bell South, you had,

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you know all these If you've ever heard a company

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>with Bell in the title of it as a telephone company.

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>It belonged to this at the at the time. So

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>A T. T essentially is getting rid of all of

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>its local calling service. It's staying as a long distance carrier.

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>And it also as a sort of a concession, I

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>guess you could say, you know, it had to get

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 1>rid of all this local stuff so that it could

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>no longer kind of maintain this monopoly. But in return

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it was allowed to go into computer systems. Yeah, so

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>our computer communication business. Yeah, and it lift this, lifted

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 1>that that band we talked about from the nineteen fifty

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 1>six judgment. So now while A T and T has

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of all those other companies, and it

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>would take a couple of years for them to do this.

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously you can't just do this overnight either,

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.439
<v Speaker 1>but for them that you know, in return, they get

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to go into this new industry. Um. So it's kind

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of a you know, silver lining kind of thing, if

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to look at it that way. And I

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>think it would turn out, considering the very fast gains

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>in Internet popularity over the next couple of decades, to

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>be completely worthwhile. Well, especially considering that that separation of

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a T and T, and those Bell operating companies wouldn't

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>last for all of them. But that's a spoiler alert. Yeah,

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>so a T and T would end up reabsorbing Western Electric,

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it would become part of a T and T. Formally

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>it was no longer spun off. Also, the Bell operating

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>companies would not be allowed to offer a long distance service,

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>so A T T would remain the long distance carrier.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>The Bell operating companies would become local carriers, and neither

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to engage in the other's business. So uh,

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean apart from a T T allowing the interconnections,

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.240
<v Speaker 1>but a T T could not go into local service.

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Bell operating companies cannot go into long distance service. Um.

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And also the Bell companies couldn't go into information service

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>or manufacturing. Uh. And everyone was supposed to provide equal

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>access to all long distance companies. So in other words,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't have Bell South say that A T T

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>was the exclusive long distance carrier. Bell South customers had

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to have choice. So that's was supposed to set, you know,

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 1>put us all back at square one, reset the playing field,

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>we're all on level ground. That was the intent, But

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.479
<v Speaker 1>I think we'll use our next episode to talk about

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>how well that turned out, all right, I think it

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>was really more you know, it wasn't It wasn't leveling

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a playing field that was giving luxury blimps to the

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 1>people at the top of the playing field to kind

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>of gently coast downwards a little bit, maybe diamond encrusted

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>uh landing pads for their golden parachutes. Anyway, we might

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 1>get a little snarky in our final episode on a

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.040
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0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.560
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