1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Ron's not live today because he's busy walking his daughter 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: down the aisle. In the meantime, we've prerecorded a special 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: Car Doctor program just for you. It's fresh, just like 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Ron Ron Ananian. Sometimes I'm not here to hand out 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: silver bullets. I'm here to hand out diagnostic approach, trying 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: to teach you and make you better diagnosticians, because isn't 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: that what it's all about? The Car Doctor at the 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: pleasure of purchase to day at two thousand and Twell, 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: how the que pod' all did I have with it? 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: It's all I got fourteen thousands of mild car not bad. Okay, 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: well that's not that's not really an issue that it 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: was just it was waiting for you. So it's just 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm not accumulating mileage till Bob comes to get Welcome 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Nanian the Car Doctor, 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: for their definitive of in the non automotive repair. If 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage to ours are open, 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight five, five, five, 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: six and now running. We really do have a great 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: show lined up for you today. It's a little a 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: little different than our our normal format of taking calls. 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: We're not taking too many calls that matter. We're not 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: taking any calls this hour. But we'll see what transpires. 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: But right now we're gonna do something that we really 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: enjoy doing. A guest that we've he's not really a 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: guest anymore. He's family. He's been here so many times 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: and we love having him. Paul Eisenstein of the Detroit 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Bureau of the Detroit Bureau dot com, Paul, welcome back, 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: quit to here, talk to you. Great to be with you, 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. And you're such a trooper today. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I have to tell the listeners that, um, you you 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: spent this morning at the dentist. My spies tell me, 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: and here you are ready to do the show. And 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's really great. Like ethel Merman said, right, 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: the show must go on. Absolutely, you know, let's split's 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: here it for Big Farmer occasionally. Um, you know, we're 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: gonna do this really kind of off the cuff, a 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: little bit of you know, as Johnny Carson would say, 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: he'd sit the guests down and say, you know, I've 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: got a list in front of me, and he'd go 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: through the bullet points and we're just gonna randomly do this. 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: So I I think the first place I want to start, 44 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: if it's okay with you, is let's can we touch 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: on what's new, you know with the car lines? Now, 46 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: if we'll talk about can we get them? But what 47 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: are some of the new exciting cars coming out of 48 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: Detroit right now? Well, let's let's skip Detroit. Let's talk 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: the industry as a whole. There there's so there's so 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: much good stuff coming right now, and there's a lot 51 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: of really interesting trends. So I just got back from 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: doing a couple of days of driving down in the 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Asheville area down North Carolina with the latest generation of 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the Gulf g T I and the Gulf Are and 55 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: a few of their other products, and I was really 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: blown away because more horsepower, better handling, really getting back 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: to the roots of what those vehicles are all about. 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: You know, these these are real performance vehicles for just 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: true enthusiasts, and sadly, sadly, what what I'm afraid is 60 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: that they're going to be uh sort of ignored. The 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: market is just shifting VW five years ago, like sixteen 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: percent of their sales. I believe my numbers are correct. 63 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: We're SUVs, and right now it's up to like seventy 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: seven percent. So they have some good stuff out there, 65 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: are like the new Tows, they're they're little suv that 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: just introduced Atallas, the big one and so on. But 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to see that a lot of the real 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: high performance sports cars and hot hatch isn't the like 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: are losing momentum. But there are some interesting ones. You know, 70 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: we just saw the Corvette zero six, six hundred seventy 71 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: horsepower out of this is interesting, the the most powerful 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: naturally aspirated V eight on the planet using a flat 73 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: plank technology. Uh flat plant plank, flat plank crank, boy, 74 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I try to get that one. Yeah, right, But then 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: but you know, then of course the big SUV phenomenon. 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: So just recently I had a chance to get out 77 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: to uh out to where was at Bend, Oregon area, 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: and I got the chance to drive the new Subaru 79 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: forest or wilderness. And so here's another trend. And I'll 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: get to another trend in a moment, But here's another 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: interesting trend. We're seeing a lot of SUVs move away 82 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: from the trend to the last fift twenty years being 83 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, basically soft rotors. They look like SUVs, but 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: they're really just tall wagons. And now we're seeing a 85 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: whole bunch of vehicles, uh, that are in fact seriously 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: designed to get some off roading. In their tough off roading. 87 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: This takes the forest or up a big notch. Uh. 88 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I was really pleasantly surprised. And of course we have 89 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Honda doing a new line of of vehicles called the 90 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: Trail Sport. We see that from GM and christ So 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: and of course Ford bringing back the Bronco. We finally 92 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: have the new the new two and four door models 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: out there. So there's a lot of interesting things happening. 94 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: But I bet you're gonna ask me next about the 95 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: other big trend we're going to see in because this 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: is going to be explosive. Well, okay, and I'll bite 97 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: well before I bite on that. Um My question is 98 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: all these newer vehicles, how many of them can we 99 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: actually get or is that a whole another conversation that's 100 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that's a longer one, and why don't we hold that 101 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: for for a minute or two if we can. I'm 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: want to stay on new product from we tell me 103 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: the trend for two where what are we going to say? Well, 104 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: the biggest trend, of course, is the arrival of seriously 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: competitive electric vehicles. I did a piece and you can 106 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: find it on the Detroit Bureau dot com. Now if 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: you do a little just go into our search engine. 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: We ended the twenty one year with about thirteen long 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: range electrics, good percentage of them built by Tesla, and 110 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Tesla with about the market well come. By the end 111 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: of the calendar year, we will have I estimate fifty 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: two or more long range electrics on the market. And 113 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: these are not the you know, the funky little things 114 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: like the Nissan Leave for the Forward Focus EV or 115 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: the like of the past. These are some serious machines. Yeah, 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: there's a couple that don't get much mileage, like the 117 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: Mazda m X thirty uh and the Mini, but most 118 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: of them are getting up there. The new lucid Air 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: Dream Range Model. How's that for trying to remember remember 120 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: that when somebody actually what you have parked outside? Okay, 121 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: they have two versions of the lucid Air, their high 122 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: end Dream Edition, the Range model. We'll get well, let 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: me let me talk about the performance model first, the 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: air Dream Performance eleven hundred thirty three horsepower zero to 125 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: sixty and just over two seconds. At the air Dream 126 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: Range edition, we'll get up to five D twenty miles 127 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: per charge. Now you'll sacrifice some performance, you only have 128 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: nine horsepower. But and my question still becomes, and I know, 129 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: I guess they're going to produce these in some particular number, 130 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: trying to hit a market saturation point, Paul, Or are 131 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: they gonna all be specially built? How are they going 132 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: to put these together? Put these out in the marketplace. Well, 133 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Lucid has a big plant down in Normal, Illinois used 134 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: to be the old miss Subissie. Plant was actually built 135 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: as a joint venture between Christler back then in Midsubishi, 136 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: so they can build some numbers the the the Air, 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: which is a very expensive model. It will be a 138 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: hundred sixty thou for these two limited edition versions that 139 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: debut the brand. But eventually they'll have a capacity to 140 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: produce over quarter million vehicles in that plant, and they'll 141 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: be bringing out lower cost versions of the Air Sedan. 142 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: They've got another model called the Gravity, which is basically 143 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: their take on the the Tesla Model X. They're they're 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: larger suv. Now. We also just saw the Rivian, the 145 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: all electric pickup that is so good. I'm not the 146 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: only one who has written this. Basically all my colleagues 147 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: say the same thing. It has the quality and the 148 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: features and just the whole concept of a company that 149 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: has been building cars for years. In a positive sense, 150 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: it's it's like they know how to build cars. They're 151 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: not They're not a startup stumbling along, and everything indicates 152 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: they have the quality and possibly the reliability that we 153 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: haven't seen from Tesla. Quality is Tesla's real weak issue. 154 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: They have a lot of issues that we have. The Ford. 155 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: We have more versions of the Ford, Mustang Mock e 156 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: g T. The Hummers coming, the Ford F one fifty 157 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Lightning is coming. Mercedes just launched their first all electric 158 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: in the U S an S class equivalent called the 159 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: e q S. They have two or three more that 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: will be here by the end of next year. VW 161 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: is expanding the I D four. I can go on 162 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: for the entire show just telling you about all the 163 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: electric vehicles coming over. Fifty long range models by the 164 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: end of next year, so then times as many as 165 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: we had, and I'll tell you what. Let me hold 166 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: my question, let me pull over and take a pause. 167 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: But when I come back, I still come back to 168 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: that original question that's on everybody's mind. Where and how 169 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: are we going to charge all these So don't don't 170 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: give us the answer yet. And you and I are 171 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: going to talk about this a little bit when we're 172 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: each earn. I'm run on any in the car. Doctor 173 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: here with Paul Eisenstein at the Detroit Bureau, the Detroit 174 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: Bureau dot com. We'll both be back right after this. 175 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Oh god, that's right. If you call and we're not live, 176 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: you can leave a message and we'll call you back 177 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: to get you on the air with Ron zero nine 178 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron. Here he is. We're 179 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: here with Paul eisen Stunt at the Detroit Bureau, and 180 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: thanks for sticking around to talk to listen to us 181 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: as we go over a couple of things. Paul, Uh, 182 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: you know the conversation I always have in my head 183 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: is they can design a great electric vehicle now, and 184 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: it's evident. Look at what you're talking, Look at what 185 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: you're telling us, right, horsepower rating and equivalent and um 186 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: range now is up right five is seems like it's 187 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: a very possibility. It's here, But where and how are 188 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: we going to charge these cars? It always comes back 189 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: to that where will all this infrastructure come from? Well, 190 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: that's a good question, and it's a legitimate question, but 191 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: it also varies, if you will, by who you are, 192 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: where you live, and so on. In many cases, we're 193 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: going to wind up seeing a big push among commercial 194 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: users for electric. If you look out there, I expect 195 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: that the vast majority of the delivery trucks, you know, 196 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: we all get Amazon and FedEx and everybody else delivering 197 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: to us uh these days, and most of those guys 198 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: log very very low mileage, typically thirty less than hundred 199 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: miles a day. I would expect almost all of those 200 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: delivery trucks are electric, and I think they yeah. Contractors 201 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: same thing. Uh Ford can't keep up with the demand 202 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: coming in. They had a double the double the capacity 203 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: of the plant down in Dearborn, Michigan for their FHON 204 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: fifty lightning and a good percentage of the orders coming 205 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: in are for the commercial version of that truck, which 206 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: will start at undertars. So most most of the contractors 207 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: don't really need it as for you and me. Well, 208 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: if you really think about it, good percentage of Americans 209 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: never drive more than a hundred miles a day. They 210 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: may on occasion go on vacation. Well, very often they're 211 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna have a second car they could take in the 212 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: long trip. And here's the thing that people forget. There's 213 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: a big difference between an electric on the positive side, 214 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: and a gas vehicle, and that you plug it in 215 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: when you come home, and every single morning you're going 216 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: to have the equivalent of an electric full tank. So 217 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's none of that panicking at the beginning 218 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: of the week Monday morning, Oh my god, I forgot 219 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: to fill up, I gotta stop, I gotta leave early 220 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: for work, or what have you. But we are so 221 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: most people are charging at home. Uh. And we're seeing 222 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: of rapid growth and a number of chargers around the country. 223 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: H If if President Biden gets his way, there'll be 224 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: as many as five hundred thousand chargers by by the 225 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: end of the decade. Uh. Right now, if you live 226 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: in a lot of places, particularly on the East Coast 227 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: and West Coast, you have charges everywhere. You can get 228 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere without having to worry about it. It's 229 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: the middle of America, which is still you know, it's 230 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: still a little difficult to charge in Wyoming. But every 231 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: week I get a new email telling me about a 232 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: new program that's going to launch in Wyoming and Montana, 233 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Michigan is about to do a statewide network and so on. Uh, 234 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: several of the charging companies have gone public. You know this, 235 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: these spack deals, reverse reverse mergers, and charge point raised. 236 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: I think, what two billion dollars to help it put 237 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: in charges across the US. But don't you think you 238 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: know my let me say it like this. My concern is, um, 239 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: New York City. All right, we'll talk about New York City. 240 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: Take every parking garage where you know people are storing 241 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: their cars. How are you going to electrify an entire garage? 242 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: And at what cost? And you know how that is 243 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: a good question. Now, how many people in New York 244 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: own own a vehicle. It's relatively low ownership there, but 245 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, it is a legitimate question. Every one every 246 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: one of those parking garages is full. You know, people's 247 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: storing cars that do drive or people that come into 248 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: the city to park. And and and the second part 249 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: of that question is that I think about and you know, again, 250 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to explore the idea I read over 251 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: the summer in Germany. Germany has banned electric vehicles from 252 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: parking in their garages because of the fire issue. Yeah, 253 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: the fire issue is way overblown. Uh, it's it's legitimate concern, 254 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be dealt with pretty quickly. 255 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: The fires have tended be with a handful of vehicles. 256 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: They largely understand what the problem is. I don't think 257 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you're going to hear that much more. Uh. And what's 258 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: interesting is when you actually look at the numbers. I 259 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: did some calculations. Uh, you actually have only about as 260 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: many fires among electric vehicles as you do under gas vehicles. 261 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: How many times have you driven down the road and 262 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you've seen a vehicle on the side of the road 263 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: that's either on fire or burned out. Well? True, but 264 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: but let's face it. Let's say it like this. The 265 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: percentage of the fleet that's currently electric is only two right, Yeah, 266 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: it's about that. But when you then adjusted for the 267 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: volume on a per vehicle basis, it's only about only 268 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: about as many electric vehicles are catching fire as gas vehicles. 269 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: In other words, you know, if you had to. If 270 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: you had a hundred cars half electric, half gas, the 271 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: odds that a fire would occur among those, we'll make 272 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: it a thousand. Uh. The odds that there would be 273 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: a fire among the gas vehicles is very high. The 274 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: odds that there would be a fire among the electric 275 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: vehicles is very low. So so it gets a lot 276 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: of headlines. Yeah, it's new, and it's new, and it's 277 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: a it's a safety concern. But what's wrong as we 278 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: as we get into our bottom of the hour break 279 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: before we go there, what's wrong with the idea of 280 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: let's make every delivery vehicle Amazon ups FedEx. Uh. You know, 281 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: if it's a delivery vehicle, it's got to be electric 282 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: by a certain time frame and build an infrastructure to 283 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: support that. Let's make certain municipal vehicles, police cars, cars 284 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: that follow a regular route mail delivery electric vehicles exactly. 285 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: And and and we're seeing that California is essentially set 286 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: out those rules, and and the interesting thing is industry 287 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: is getting there more quickly. Here's the main reason why 288 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: industry is moving so quickly. Electric vehicles largely don't break down, 289 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: and they're much cheaper to operate, even with the higher 290 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: cost of batteries, and that's coming down. That's coming down fast. 291 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: Even with the higher cost. Amazon, FedEx and the others 292 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: have realized that the per mile operating cost completely overtakes 293 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: the higher cost to buy in the vehicles, and in 294 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: some cases it's one third the cost per mile to 295 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: operate those. They also need less maintenance, so they don't 296 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: they don't go off the road, either because they're breaking 297 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: down or because they need to be in the shop 298 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: just to have a tune up or oil change, wild changes. Right, 299 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: So then here's the and then here's the other question. 300 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: Then we're gonna go to the break. So I think 301 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: about this during the break, that that young mom today 302 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: that's struggling and she's driving that five dollar Toyota Corolla, 303 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Where's where's the equivalent of that in an electric vehicle? 304 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Where is her future in the electric car debacle? Because 305 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: where will she find that electric car at that price range? 306 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: You know that price point and and and you know, listen, 307 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: cars were meant to be transportation devices and move the masses. 308 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: Are we pricing that person out of the market? You 309 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: think about that. When we return, we'll talk about it. 310 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm running anating of the car doctor here with Paul 311 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: Eisenstein at the Detroit Bureau. Just some back and forth 312 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: panther about everything automotive will return right after this. Don't 313 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: go away, welcome back. Why don't any of the car doctor. 314 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: We're here chatting and having a great time with Paul Eisenstein, 315 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: our our I guess he's our in house constant guest 316 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: all the time. He's just like family. He's always showing 317 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: up and we're glad to have um. Always a pleasure. Paul. Uh, 318 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: you know where does that that mom as I pulled 319 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: away for the break that I talked about, that that 320 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: struggling mom with two kids, it's driving that five thousand 321 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: dollar Toyota. Where's the electric car in her future? What 322 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: is she driving? Well, you know, it's interesting. I'm glad 323 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: we had the break because I had the chance to 324 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: go and do a little bit of searching online and 325 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: I found a ton of used electric vehicles. Carbon is 326 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: a quick place if you want just go take a 327 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 1: quick look. Uh, you'll see BMW I three's Niecean leaves. 328 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: I don't see any Teslas on here, but maybe I 329 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: just skipped right by them. Um Chevy Bolts and so on. 330 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: Volkswageny golfs. Some of them are under ten thousand dollars. Now, 331 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: this is mostly first generation stuff, limited in mileage and 332 00:19:53,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: so on. But we shouldn't be surprised because electric vehicles, 333 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: as as we began the show talking about, there were 334 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: very few of them out there up until now, so 335 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: you're not going to find many used vehicles. But every 336 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: year more electric vehicles are coming to market. More of 337 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: those vehicles are going to eventually wind up in the 338 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: use car market and they'll drop in price. And by 339 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: the way, of course, everything costs a lot more now 340 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: that mom looking for a five and six thousand dollar 341 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: used car may not find anything at the moment um. 342 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: One of the interesting things you probably heard about this 343 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: Another big story was was Hurts Now they just emerged 344 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: from bankruptcy. An old friend, Mark Fields, formerly the Ford CEO, 345 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: was running the company and he's made all sorts of announcements. 346 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: They're going they're going in I p O. So they're 347 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: going back public. Uh, they've done a deal with Uber, 348 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: They've done a deal with Carbon and now what are 349 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: they doing. Well, they've got to deal with Tesla. They're 350 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: going to put a hundred thousands in their fleet in 351 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: the US and Europe. And of course, as you know, 352 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: used car I mean rental car vehicles only last so 353 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: long before they go into the used car market. So 354 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: you're going to see, probably about three years from now, 355 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: start to see a lot of Tesla's winding up and 356 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: in the carbon a fleet that we're off off rental, 357 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: off off usage by the Hurts network. You know, I 358 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: had heard, I had heard about Yeah, I had heard 359 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: about that today that you know, Hurts did that, and 360 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: I was surprised. I was in Florida this past summer 361 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: and we rented from Avis and I had asked the 362 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: girl at the counter, I said, do you have any 363 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: electric vehicles? And she said, we did, but we stopped 364 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: renting them because we had too many problems. People were 365 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: having issues with range and they didn't meet what people's 366 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: demands were, what they wanted. UM. So it's interesting, you know, 367 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: is Hurts found a way to overcome that. You know, 368 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this is acceptance. Listen, I get it 369 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: that we're going to switch and and transition over to electric. 370 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: I just question A lot of my questions are centered 371 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: around can we do it in less than fifteen years 372 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: at the level that they're telling us it's going to happen. 373 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: And then I keep going back to Toyota, right the 374 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: vice president of Toyota or one of the vice presidents 375 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: of Toyota has repeatedly testified in front of Congress and 376 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: said and all electric car future is not possible, practical, 377 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: or desirable. And I keep thinking about that conversation in 378 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: my head and saying, what does Toyota know that the 379 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: rest of the industry hasn't said, you know, let's do 380 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: this another way and more or is the you're you're 381 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: actually talking about Akio Toyota of the the CEO of 382 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: Toyota worldwide, and he's been one of the most active 383 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: opponents of all electric future though he believes that we 384 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: will go all electric with a mix of hybrids, plug 385 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: in hybrids, hydrogen fuel so vehicles, and battery electrics. And 386 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: they may be saying that, but guess what they just announced. 387 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: They just revealed the details on their first long range 388 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: all electric vehicle coming to the US, called the b 389 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: Z four X. They will have seven long range Toyota 390 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: vehicles under the busy which stands for beyond zero by 391 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: UH within about five years now, and another eight all 392 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: electric vehicles. It won't be marked Buzy, we may see 393 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: an all electric prius. I'd be surprised if we don't. 394 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: So they may say that, But Toyota right now is 395 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: working on fift all electric vehicles. So even the opponents, 396 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: the people who talk like they're opposed to electric are 397 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: going there, think about it. We we see GM saying 398 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: it will go on electric. Ford is moving in that direction. Um. 399 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to Jim Farley, the CEO, 400 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: when they announced that big development project down in Memphis 401 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: that's going to be four times the size of the 402 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: Rouge plant of the complex that Henry Ford built six 403 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: square miles to produce electric batteries and electric pickups and 404 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: other vehicles. Six square miles that's how much space they're 405 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: reserving to go all electric down there. And the you know, 406 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: look at the luxury vehicles. Uh, Bentley going all electric out, 407 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: He's moving all electric. VW is going all electric. Lamborghini 408 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: expects to basically be shifting to all electric. They're gonna 409 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: go to hybrid and then all electric. Ferrari is getting 410 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: ready to bring out their electric Uh. Yes, some of 411 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: this is pressure from me from the regulators around the world. 412 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: But the reality is it's growing fast. Norway is something 413 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: like the new vehicles sold Norway or electric. Britain sold 414 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: more electric vehicles and actually, I'm sorry, let me correct that. 415 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: In September British motorists bought five thousand fewer electric vehicles 416 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: than they did in all of over of the British market. 417 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: The US more than doubled the number of electric vehicles 418 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: pure electric vehicles UH in the first half of one 419 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: and it's continued to grow in the last four months. 420 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: It's happening. And by the way, don't don't. You and 421 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: I have been talking for a long time, so you 422 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: know that I'm not totally happy about this. I love 423 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: the feel and the sound of a great V eight, 424 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: which will give us a chance to segue over talking 425 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: about Sema. But I mean this Corvette that's coming out, 426 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get in it. But the new 427 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: electric vehicles, better batteries, more charging stations, prices are dropping. 428 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: And what happens is I talk to people when they 429 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: get into an electric who tell me before they get 430 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: in all this, no, I'm not interested. I'll get in 431 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: it just to see what it's like. They walk out 432 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: going okay, When can I buy this right right now? 433 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: And and we're going to close it out here and 434 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: then we'll talk about seeing when we return the the 435 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: issue of range, and we're gonna leave it here. I 436 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: think the issues are range, recycling, replacement, batteries, and where 437 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: that vehicle. You know, in today's dollars you can spend 438 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: grand and buy a decent used car today. Okay, Um, 439 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: where's that replacement? Where's that electric vehicle in that category? 440 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: And these are all the things I think about the 441 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: societal impact of You know, you can wave your magic 442 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: wand and say make it so, but it's it's got 443 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: to be accepted and it's got to work or people 444 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: will revolt. And I think the absolutely agree every point 445 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: you raised has to be addressed. Yeah, many of them 446 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: are just like range now it's very quickly being addressed. 447 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: The charging situation will be addressed. Cost is coming down. 448 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: Recycling is going to be a big one, and we're 449 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: now seeing all the automakers forward. For example, has a 450 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: partner at that that huge blue Oval city, that six 451 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: square mile complex down in Memphis that will take old 452 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: batteries and they expect that going forward as they get 453 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: more batteries of circulation and the car has come off use, 454 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: more and more of those batteries will either be recycled 455 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: or they will be repurposed. So your your home. Like 456 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: here in Michigan with Detroit Edison, we get blackouts all 457 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: too often. Well, going forward, you're gonna see you're gonna 458 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: see these things used for the energy backup. And I've 459 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: heard that, you know, Paul, Let's leave it there because 460 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: I want to pull over. Take the pause. When we 461 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: come back, Um, let's talk about Seema will switch gears. 462 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm run anating the Car Doctor with Paul eizen Started 463 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: at the Detroit Bureau the Detroit Bureau dot Com. We'll 464 00:27:53,640 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: both be back right after this. Don't go away, welcome back. 465 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: We're on any of the Car Doctor here with Paul 466 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: Eisenstein of the Detroit Bureau the Detroit Bureau dot Com. Paul, Seema, 467 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean those four letters just spell holy cow in 468 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 1: automotive technology. Right. There's just so much going on at 469 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: seem of the Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association trade show out 470 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: in Vegas. Every year you were there? What's hot? What 471 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: caught your eye? Well, I had a lovely time talking 472 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: with Chris Kirsting. Oh, I know you've had on the 473 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: show at least one time or another ahead of Seema 474 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: and uh, we had a great conversation. Here's here's something 475 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: which I found amazing to to learn. Did you know 476 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: that Seema sales after market equipment sales anything from air 477 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: freshness up to create engines actually hit an all time 478 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: record last year hit another record this year. It's one 479 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: of those things where you think, what that doesn't make 480 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: sense until you actually talk with Chris and you realize 481 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: why people were locked down and they were looking for 482 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: something to do. And I have a lot of friends 483 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: who spend more time in their garage tuning up or 484 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: completely redoing their vehicles, uh this last year because they 485 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: just didn't have the places to go. Oh, listen, the shop, 486 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: it's been big. When when when the shop is slow. 487 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. When my experience, when the 488 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: shop is slow or slows down, we actually are more 489 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: efficient in what we do. We get more done on 490 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: the cars that we have in less time because you're 491 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: able to stop and think, and efficiency goes up and 492 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: productivity goes up, and you're done early and you can 493 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: find time to do the chores in the housekeeping around Oh, yeah, 494 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: I understand that people idle hands. People have things to 495 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: do and they start looking around. Let me do this, 496 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: let me do that. Um So I get that, I 497 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: under stand. What did you think about some of the 498 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: specialty vehicles. Did you get a chance to see any 499 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: of those out in Vegas? And I know you're talking 500 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: about them on your website, the Detroit Bureau dot com. 501 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: That Toyota Taco Zilla. Did you see that, Yeah, the 502 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Taco Zilla. The one of the ones that I think 503 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: is really interesting was the Ford Bronco Desert Racer, the 504 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: d r UH. And what's cool about that is you 505 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: can actually buy one. They're making a handful of these. Uh. 506 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: These these are crazy. Some of these vehicles are just wonderful, 507 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: and in many cases you have to put them together yourself. 508 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the concepts that the automakers 509 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: bring to SEMA I just designed to show off all 510 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: the things that there exists accessory toolbox. But every so 511 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: often you get a vehicle like the d r H 512 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: that Ford or one of the other automakers will actually 513 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: put together and sell you. Uh, that was cool. Uh. 514 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: There were plenty of things, plenty of crazy engines. You know, 515 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: we have that that new thousand horsepower crate engine from Chevy. 516 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: And we also getting back to what we're talking about 517 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: a few months ago. One of the hot things right 518 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: now is converting vehicles to run on electric and so 519 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Chey has a has an electric crate engine, so you 520 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: can take out your gas engine and turn it into 521 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: an electric. Chris told me that they're seeing more and 522 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: more SEMA members start to look at the opportunities now 523 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: that all these hot electric vehicles, not those stone ponies 524 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: of you know, a decade ago. Now that all these 525 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: really cool electrics are coming, You're going to see a 526 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. I think SEEMA will be very, very 527 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: heavy emphasis on electric over the next few years. The 528 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: good thing is the V eights, the muscle cars, they're 529 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: not going away, No, not anytime soon. Did you was 530 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: was it? Um? What's the word I'm looking for? Was 531 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: it a relief to be there? Because you know there 532 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: wasn't There wasn't last year SEEMA was virtual correct? Yeah, 533 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: there were a lot fewer exhibitors this year. It's down 534 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: to about we're yeah, which is well when you consider 535 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: that that the last the last pre COVID show in 536 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: had exhibitors a lot fewer people. The aisles are wider, 537 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: there's less people. They're Part of the problem is that 538 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: a lot of exhibitors and a lot of these show 539 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: goers are from abroad, and of course we have travel 540 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: restrictions in the US, so a lot of people just 541 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: can't make it into the US. Sure, Hey, listen, we're 542 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: gonna pull over. When we come back, I want to 543 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: talk real quick about the supply chain. We'll have about 544 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: three minutes, so put your thinking cap on, give me 545 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: the highlights, and we can close it out from there on. 546 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: Rondanini in the Car Doctor here with Paul Eisenstein at 547 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: the Detroit Bureau. We'll both be back right after this. 548 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: Lolcome back. Weren't any of the Car Doctor with Paul 549 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: Eigenstein at the Detroit Bureau That Destroit Bureau dot com. 550 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: Paul in our closing couple of minutes. The supply chain 551 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: problem everything for new vehicles to oil too, filters, tires. 552 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: The auto industry is not the only industry effective. But 553 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: we'll stay at a conversation there because that's what we 554 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 1: were We're in right, Um, where's the problem and how 555 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: does it get fixed? Well, the problem dates back to 556 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of issues that erupted with 557 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: the COVID pandemic. It's not a new issue. Anybody who's 558 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: trying to politicize this by saying, hey, uh, this is 559 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, the fault of the president or or whoever, 560 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't really know what they're talking about. For example, 561 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: the the issue with the semiconductors chips that has cost 562 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: the auto industry literally millions of vehicles and production this 563 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: year actually resulted from last year when automakers slashed the 564 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: slash production and slashed orders for chips. So the chip 565 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: industry said, fine, we have to find somebody else. Well, 566 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: there was a boom in orders for electronics, home electronics, 567 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: TVs and every thing. Those industries pay more for the chips, 568 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: and now the automakers are going back saying, please give 569 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: us chips, and they don't have the capacity. Um, we 570 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: are facing the issue, all sorts of issues globally with 571 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: the supply chain, and unfortunately what we're seeing is that, uh, 572 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: it's really just just hitting home right now. So oil 573 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: is a problem, Uh that has been building. It was 574 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: even even there before the latest issues, before the prices 575 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: searche Remember last year we were talking about the shortage 576 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: of oil truck driver, hanker drivers, Well, that's only gotten 577 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: worse this year. A lot of them were laid off 578 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: when demand for oil last year was bad, and they 579 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: can't get them back to work. So do you have 580 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: a prediction for Paul? Real quick, you have a prediction 581 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: for when does the supply chain get straightened out? Fifteen seconds. 582 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: We'll start seeing improve in three, but don't be surprised 583 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: if there are other supply issues in between then and now. 584 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Incoding tires. Unbelievable, Paul, you're a fountain of information. Brother. 585 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: We're gonna get you back again. We'll do a year 586 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: end all right, Paul Eisensin will be back with us again, 587 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: folks for a year end review. I'm run an eating 588 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 589 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: See you