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Speaker 1: turned down a dr DRE deal that could have changed
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Speaker 1: ever rhyme next side to Embinem and they didn't say
Speaker 1: that Emmine embodied them. And I'm telling hither, they got
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Speaker 1: I respect him. And he goes on Funk Flex and
Speaker 1: it was crazy because a lot of my younger homies
Speaker 1: and a lot of my people, they were coming up
Speaker 1: to me and they were showing me this footage and
Speaker 1: they were shocked, and I wanted to respect their shocknus,
Speaker 1: but I also wanted to say this ain't nothing no like,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to be disrespectful to
Speaker 1: what you did, but I'm like, this dude been doing
Speaker 1: this for years. So in case you don't know who
Speaker 1: we're talking about, we told my motherfucking voice to find ken.
Speaker 1: You have such a rich hip hop history, and so
Speaker 1: I want to take it from the beginning. I want
Speaker 1: the fans to actually understand your flight, your struggle, how
Speaker 1: you got to this very moment right here. So but
Speaker 1: because I just I just took it from the beginning
Speaker 1: and I fast folded you very bad. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: But let's take it from the beginning. So how is
Speaker 1: a young Royce keep getting into this game? Well, let
Speaker 1: me just give you, oh yes, please please please what
Speaker 1: one you got? You got what size? Don't worry about myself.
Speaker 1: So let's take it from the very right. Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: So what you want from the very beginning, like, how
Speaker 1: what is your start? What is your origins? How how
Speaker 1: does this happen? Well, I come from Detroit, shout out
Speaker 1: to Detroit. Absolutely, yeo, man, I started. It's crazy because
Speaker 1: I just bumped into my man's scam up and knowing
Speaker 1: scam for the long family that he created the drink Champs. No, goddamnit,
Speaker 1: make some bro. I started rapping. I was playing basketball
Speaker 1: in high school. I started writing my own raps probably
Speaker 1: some time around the eleventh grade. And I never told nobody,
Speaker 1: But why you said writing your own wraps? It sounds
Speaker 1: I was helping you before that. Oh yeah, you might
Speaker 1: have been reciting other than you were hearing me. Let
Speaker 1: me make sure clear everybody, because you know, people gonna
Speaker 1: be out there like what. I started off mimicking people,
Speaker 1: so like l L co J, I'm bad, like used
Speaker 1: to like I memorized the whole video choreography and everything,
Speaker 1: so my bad choreography and everything I'm bad was choreography.
Speaker 1: B Yeah, I didn't think about it like you were
Speaker 1: doing that, you know queens, and we didn't look at
Speaker 1: it like that. That's the technically way of because they
Speaker 1: were doing that was for My father used to have
Speaker 1: his friends and shipped over and he used to be
Speaker 1: like Ryan, Dude, I'm bad bad, So I set the
Speaker 1: stool up and I wrapped the ship and I'll be
Speaker 1: doing all the moves and that's like how I started
Speaker 1: running up like I could eat forty bringing yellow tape.
Speaker 1: I used to wrap that ship exactly like forty like
Speaker 1: exactly why So like that, That's how I fell in
Speaker 1: love with hip hop. So I started writing wraps for
Speaker 1: myself to say for myself sometime around in high school.
Speaker 1: So when niggas used to be doing cipherst and ship,
Speaker 1: I never would tell nobody that I was writing. Right,
Speaker 1: So right around twelfth grade, me and one of my
Speaker 1: boys went to the hip Hop Shop in Detroit. I've
Speaker 1: been at the hip hop shop and they had no
Speaker 1: security there. Picked them up the hipop shop for those
Speaker 1: the hip hop shop. This this like like s O
Speaker 1: B S. It's like a real underground thing. So this
Speaker 1: is the first time I came to a club and
Speaker 1: they actually had no security nowhere. Like like I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't care about security. What I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: I'm just used to that, and these niggas they just
Speaker 1: they just was in there. Rhyme. Bro. It's like a
Speaker 1: it's a clothing store the street from Um, it's a
Speaker 1: chicken spot. I love a chicken from from the hip
Speaker 1: hop shop. Yeah, on my bucket. He went to a
Speaker 1: different hill what's the st Andrews, what's the street? I
Speaker 1: love that Chicken the Coros Street. I'm a hood nigga.
Speaker 1: You can tell that's what everybody doing it and they're
Speaker 1: like yo, sweetwater. But yeah, so this this is like
Speaker 1: so this is like my first time seeing this is
Speaker 1: before the internet was like popping and ship. This is
Speaker 1: my first time seeing niggas battle and like rap about
Speaker 1: what you're wearing battle back and for I've never seen
Speaker 1: that before. So I'm looking at els I eminem Proof
Speaker 1: these niggas is like, how old are there this time?
Speaker 1: They probably in their twenties. I'm still a teenager. When
Speaker 1: not els I, I was still young. And this is
Speaker 1: the which is this is mart He's malans for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where like that our whole generation came from.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like birth from there. I didn't flourish
Speaker 1: there though, because, like they Proof was the host. He
Speaker 1: had to Mike passing. Yeah, he had to Mike passing
Speaker 1: it around. So you get to Mike and you can
Speaker 1: wrap and you got like a few seconds to kind
Speaker 1: of like captivate the crowd or DJ here to put
Speaker 1: this gone music on, and you gotta pass the money
Speaker 1: it's like the public. So when I when I first
Speaker 1: got like the courage to rap there, after I went
Speaker 1: a couple of times, I got goned, so I got
Speaker 1: gone and I ain't never wrapped there again. So I
Speaker 1: started going to this other place called the Ebony Showcase.
Speaker 1: After that I got a little bit older. The environment
Speaker 1: was a little bit different. You wasn't standing around the
Speaker 1: circle of killer a smcs. It was more like just
Speaker 1: a crowd looking at you. And then stage was a
Speaker 1: little elevated. So when I wrapped there, I got a
Speaker 1: better response. If it wasn't for the BNY Showcase, I
Speaker 1: never would have because that gave your confidence back. Hip
Speaker 1: hop shop almost broke me, okay, but let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you that because, um, for artists that's
Speaker 1: starting out right now, and they had that same experience
Speaker 1: with you, where maybe they had the wrong DJ, maybe
Speaker 1: they played the wrong beasts at the time, I said
Speaker 1: the wrong rap, and you said, how how does the
Speaker 1: artist bounce back from that? Because um, I think my
Speaker 1: first show I ever did suck too. But I just
Speaker 1: had a gun on me, and I just felt like
Speaker 1: everybody knew I had a gun on me. And I
Speaker 1: was like you're gonna bounce if you're going to bounce.
Speaker 1: So but I was like, I don't expect every artist
Speaker 1: to do that. So how do you bounce back from
Speaker 1: whose first show is supposed to be really good? New
Speaker 1: one's first show is good? Come on? One part of pain? Dude,
Speaker 1: we don't But as an artist, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: It's just like anything, man Like, like I told you,
Speaker 1: I came up playing basketball boxing. It all applies as confidence.
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Speaker 1: you can't let nothing break you. Mr lee Can you
Speaker 1: open that? Mr leaad you look at he looks his job.
Speaker 1: Mr Lea, you open up? So all right? So now,
Speaker 1: so don't I understand this? Correct that you your first
Speaker 1: look in the game is Tommy Boy. Um yeah, but
Speaker 1: you actually didn't drop an album? No? I mean wait,
Speaker 1: so he was here signing Tommy Boy. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: best year in my life. Wait what year is it,
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy? Deal? This is an album and if it's
Speaker 1: thanks and you were going by Royce at this time? Bro? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a DJ, I don't really remember this. No, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember the announce I think it was thought it
Speaker 1: was more like I don't think it was ninety eight
Speaker 1: bro okay, but it could have been, like you know,
Speaker 1: it could have been eight is somewhere late nineties, okay, nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousand's. Um, I went out. I started staying
Speaker 1: in New York with a friend of mine and we
Speaker 1: started trying to shop a deal. At that time, you
Speaker 1: had to get a record deal that was like that
Speaker 1: was like it was there was yeah. So I went
Speaker 1: and took meetings with all the labels Tommy Boy included
Speaker 1: played on my demo. Basically I turned down by all
Speaker 1: of them. So I went out there and started working
Speaker 1: with Dre and that's when we started writing for the
Speaker 1: Chronic album. This is my second This is another question,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad we will take care. Okay, a relative
Speaker 1: This is prior to m messing with Dre. Yes, because
Speaker 1: see what happened. Wait wait, I didn't know that because
Speaker 1: and I'd be drunk at already excuse um, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: if you have this is blowing my mind. This is
Speaker 1: I got already you think that I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: thought you were going to dre through. I was okay, okay,
Speaker 1: my bad. So I kind of skipped over that. So
Speaker 1: let me let me walk you through it. Okay, ahead,
Speaker 1: and if I if I start getting scot a brain
Speaker 1: and I gotta go back out, scatter brain, definitely welcome here.
Speaker 1: I met Mark. I've seen Marshall the first time I
Speaker 1: went to the hip hop shop, but I didn't meet
Speaker 1: him until ninety seven. So I was doing this acapella
Speaker 1: on stage and I said this whack ass rap. I
Speaker 1: know you. I'm gonna keep calling all my old raps whack,
Speaker 1: but they was kind of cool back then. So I
Speaker 1: said this, I said this line. I said, I'm Iller
Speaker 1: Thant standing in front of a guerrilla holding the banana.
Speaker 1: That was around cannabis time. That's when cannabis kind of
Speaker 1: like killing the future. Yeah, so my man, my man
Speaker 1: um introduced me and uh Me and Marshall on ship.
Speaker 1: So he was like, yo, did you just say yeah?
Speaker 1: He was like, did you just say you Iller Than't
Speaker 1: standing in front of a guerrilla holding the banana. I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, Like we both thought that was ill.
Speaker 1: So it was like we should work. So we started
Speaker 1: talking on the phone and ship like that and We
Speaker 1: eventually got into the studio. So we did a song
Speaker 1: called bad Me's Evil, which became a group. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Marshall said that to you or who said that to you?
Speaker 1: What about the line about the banana? Oh? I said
Speaker 1: the line on stage and then he said something to
Speaker 1: me about saying the line because he was at the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was at the show. He was selling his local
Speaker 1: slimshady Oh. Yeah, but he already put out the Infinite Project. Okay,
Speaker 1: I had all that ship. But we never met. We
Speaker 1: never officially. I knew exactly who he was. He didn't
Speaker 1: know what was So we got in the studio. We
Speaker 1: did Bad Metivil the song, but it was just two
Speaker 1: local dudes getting together working on some ship. He what
Speaker 1: was he trying to body him? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: you'd be trying to body I feel like I'm just
Speaker 1: like I feel like you'd be acting like you don't
Speaker 1: have like but you get on the record, nig like
Speaker 1: as a fan, I'm a fan, like I feel like
Speaker 1: you like the Floyd Mayweather this ship and were getting
Speaker 1: the boxing too. Was I respect your boxing game that
Speaker 1: I appreciate that? Yo. We we remember being in the
Speaker 1: studio was a long time ago, humble may Weather, that's
Speaker 1: it's your name. Thank you, We thank a dope name.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember being able to. I remember being
Speaker 1: in the lab and some of my niggas was in
Speaker 1: the studio and the vibe and there was that the
Speaker 1: white boy's body and me see, I was always this
Speaker 1: is the beginning. Yeah, this is when we did bad
Speaker 1: me see with the first song. Yeah, because they was
Speaker 1: always used to me wrapping better than everybody in the studident.
Speaker 1: So this nigga comes in with the song concept already,
Speaker 1: He telling me what I should say on the hook.
Speaker 1: Keep telling me. He teaching me about the way words
Speaker 1: roll off the tongue and ship like that, because I
Speaker 1: remember like he wrote the hook and it was like
Speaker 1: when we hit the trees till we look like Vietnamese people.
Speaker 1: So I kept saying, we hit the trees, We hit
Speaker 1: the trees till we looked like and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta combine we and hit we hit the trees.
Speaker 1: He was like, it rolled off the tongue better. Like
Speaker 1: he was teaching me ship. He wasn't even thinking about
Speaker 1: yea so and then when he laid his verse, they
Speaker 1: was kind of like, dam it sound like he rapping
Speaker 1: better than you. You You know what I'm saying. I remember
Speaker 1: that being the vibe in the studio. So shortly after
Speaker 1: that he got his deal with Dre. So the way
Speaker 1: we started binding was we was always talking on the
Speaker 1: phone and every time I record something, send it out
Speaker 1: there to him, you know what I'm saying, so he
Speaker 1: could listen to it. So when he played Dre everything
Speaker 1: he had on his demo, out of all of the
Speaker 1: features he had on the Dre was like, Yo, that
Speaker 1: one song right there is the one you should put
Speaker 1: on the album, which was featuring me. Right this nigger
Speaker 1: was playing Drede my demo and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 1: So I'm at my mom's crib. I'm standing in my
Speaker 1: mom's crib at the time, and I'm in the room.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in my room
Speaker 1: and ship my dad just coming the room like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's a doctor Dre on the phone for you. No,
Speaker 1: gotting a point now, It's not it's your dad. Your
Speaker 1: dad knows that this could be Dr Dre, Dr Dre
Speaker 1: or is he one of those guys that don't know
Speaker 1: at all? No, my dad young, because the way he
Speaker 1: said it I knew it was Dre the way he
Speaker 1: said it, because you know, he know Dre, he know
Speaker 1: his voice. He probably was like, Yo, this nigga sounds
Speaker 1: like the doctor Tred that I see on TV. But
Speaker 1: that's how Dre is. He just called, yo, how you know?
Speaker 1: How you doing this? Royce? There? Doctor Dre. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So he's like, it's a doctor Dre
Speaker 1: on the phone. So I'm like what. So I get
Speaker 1: the phone hello and he's like, Yo, what's up? It
Speaker 1: is Dre. That's never met him, never met a celebrity
Speaker 1: in my life, and how long did it? Just called
Speaker 1: my mom's house? That is really Dre? Immediately expect nor
Speaker 1: the media. So I'm like, yo, man, how you doing?
Speaker 1: This's an honor to talk to you. And he was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I really like your ship. He was like, M been
Speaker 1: playing me some ship and M didn't tell me he
Speaker 1: was playing it, so that's why I didn't. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: He was the last thing I was expecting. So he
Speaker 1: was like, I want you to come out to Cali,
Speaker 1: you know if you can, and I've never been to
Speaker 1: Cali before either, and help me out with some ship
Speaker 1: that were doing so I flew out there and I
Speaker 1: started writing, and then I also had to re record
Speaker 1: my vocals on M song for his album. So that's
Speaker 1: because it wasn't up to PAF with Dre's because we
Speaker 1: just did it. We did we did it at my
Speaker 1: man's studio. But we were just babies, man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like when he got that deal, he
Speaker 1: turned into d standards of recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's so yo. I mean that's how I ended up
Speaker 1: starting to work on the chronic, start bonding with him more,
Speaker 1: start being MS hype man. Now when all this ship
Speaker 1: starts transpiring, you know, the business is small, man, Like
Speaker 1: we're getting around real fast. So all the labels was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you want to do another meeting? Tommy Boy included. So
Speaker 1: when I went out there to talk to Tommy that yeah,
Speaker 1: I played with my nigga. Listen, I played the voice.
Speaker 1: It was hard to resist that. Yeah, you see, but
Speaker 1: but what but in your heart? Let me ask you
Speaker 1: something because a lot of people don't understand this that
Speaker 1: sometimes like I heard Drey offered you two fifty? Is
Speaker 1: this correct? And time girl? For you? One point to
Speaker 1: something around the area in that ballpark. Man. I just
Speaker 1: remember it was they kept saying a million dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't kid, point nothing, A million dollars point whatever.
Speaker 1: He was like, all I kept hearing with million dollars,
Speaker 1: A million dollars, so that he was offering that no, no,
Speaker 1: they got the bank. I'm thinking penalty, my bad. Tommy
Speaker 1: Boy crack time, Tommy Boys the Father company exactly, so
Speaker 1: I knew they was cracking the I was meeting directly
Speaker 1: with Tom Silverman. It was like, it was like, so,
Speaker 1: it is that one of your biggest regrets that you
Speaker 1: went for the money and you didn't go for the opportunity. No, not,
Speaker 1: not really a regret, man, It's not really regret. I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's just something. It's one of the things
Speaker 1: you think about as an adult, like, wow, if I
Speaker 1: was a little bit more mature, you know how this
Speaker 1: business is. Man, It's like, you don't know, it was
Speaker 1: a little more mature. I was a little bit more mature,
Speaker 1: I probably would have done certain things different. You would
Speaker 1: have would a lot of times, like a lot of
Speaker 1: times when I go for the money play, it's really
Speaker 1: not the play every single time. It's when I go
Speaker 1: for the passion play. It always works out for me.
Speaker 1: But when you when you're young, when you're young, you
Speaker 1: don't even you don't even have a full understanding of
Speaker 1: what your passion is yet, you know, like I didn't
Speaker 1: have the foresight to be able to see the Dredre
Speaker 1: was starting a real movement. He was starting something that
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the music, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like that his album and Marshall's
Speaker 1: album and then that Chronic tour was a movement. It
Speaker 1: was the biggest thing moving. The big thing about it
Speaker 1: was the thing about it was you. But I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to say this. I don't want you to feel bad
Speaker 1: about your mistaken but you actually fit in the aftermath.
Speaker 1: You're actually went alone there. That's that's That's the only
Speaker 1: part that that bothers me when I look at that
Speaker 1: history is that I look at him like I know
Speaker 1: because to you, I'm thinking, like you, if I'm a
Speaker 1: kid from the hood, that's seven hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: more than what I'm hid. But the thing is, you
Speaker 1: would have probably made triple that I absolutely would have.
Speaker 1: You don't think you don't think it would have been
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty look what happened with rock Kim being
Speaker 1: on their buster Eve. That's that's a good point, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he probably took that because that's the
Speaker 1: one thing about aftermath is you can be the star
Speaker 1: there or you can be the fucking guy that's on well,
Speaker 1: I know, playing third base coach. I know for a
Speaker 1: fact by my experiences were working with Dre, I definitely
Speaker 1: would have made better music, right Like the music that
Speaker 1: I came up with on Tommy Boy it was good,
Speaker 1: but as a producer, right like I would have, I
Speaker 1: would have made the album that defined me at the
Speaker 1: early age. That's one that's one benefit that I think
Speaker 1: I I missed out on, you know. But looking at
Speaker 1: it in retrospect too, though, man, it's like if he
Speaker 1: just if he just would have told me, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should do that, I would have
Speaker 1: a m yeah, either one of them. Either one of them.
Speaker 1: Nobody around me made me feel like I was making
Speaker 1: a bad decision at one point. Something that's like it
Speaker 1: was just like, all right, what do your album over there?
Speaker 1: I wish I was your friend back there? What you
Speaker 1: have about like yo, listen? And I got that, like
Speaker 1: I started to realize that going for the money, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're happy for three weeks. Yeah, you learn. I'm from Detroit, man,
Speaker 1: Like I had a terrible time. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: when you when when we'd get out that you got
Speaker 1: a million dollars in Detroit. Detroit, Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: might as well have that ship in your pocket in
Speaker 1: cash and rubber bands everywhere you go, no matter where
Speaker 1: you go, you know what I mean. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's a very competitive city. And at that time, getting
Speaker 1: a record deal was unheard of, unheard of when I
Speaker 1: told my mom and my people from Detroit, when I
Speaker 1: told the first artist from Detroit that I put on um,
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Speaker 1: was like he was, he's a legend, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But when Marshall got his deal, it was
Speaker 1: like the first in years, you know, it was like
Speaker 1: since like, um, what was it not multily from the time.
Speaker 1: It's a competitive city, man, it's a competitive city. So
Speaker 1: I ran into a lot of problems. So I watched
Speaker 1: a couple of your interviews, UM and UM to do
Speaker 1: my research. And the thing that nobody really UM pointed
Speaker 1: out is your glasses game is happy. Thank you man.
Speaker 1: You have on custom card frames with Heaven, which is
Speaker 1: the name of your studio. Correct and my correct, you
Speaker 1: are correct. I've never seen car t air frames. I
Speaker 1: watched rap Radar interview and I said, look at these guys.
Speaker 1: They didn't even point out out, they didn't take no
Speaker 1: mention to this guy's classes. These are called diamond cut body,
Speaker 1: look like that all those prescriptions or those just fly
Speaker 1: These are just fly. Yes, yes, I could have gotten
Speaker 1: my prescription and them. I just didn't want to wait
Speaker 1: for him. When I see them, I had to wear
Speaker 1: them immediately because I knew that this style he just
Speaker 1: came out, and I wanted to be the first one.
Speaker 1: I still ain't see nobody with him. I see you
Speaker 1: all right, right off? Listen, he said, I was the
Speaker 1: first one with him, So let's make sure that that's
Speaker 1: not I'm sure somebody don't try to the first figure.
Speaker 1: I was looking like, damn, those are different. Okay, So
Speaker 1: now you and him, something happens where there's a fallout.
Speaker 1: Now for this brief moment was a heartbreaking for me
Speaker 1: because again, I don't I've met you. I met him,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know you guys, but I understand
Speaker 1: the relationship from you guys in the public's eyes. Did
Speaker 1: you guys have this falling out? Why wasn't this falling
Speaker 1: out even happen? Um? Okay, the biggest the biggest part
Speaker 1: of it was communication, I would say, lack thereof, you know,
Speaker 1: like we didn't get the opportunity to say to each
Speaker 1: other how we felt about the situation. It was so
Speaker 1: many people, so many people kind of like instigating it
Speaker 1: and saying what they could say. The kind of like
Speaker 1: fuel it did it. I think it turned it got
Speaker 1: a little bit easier for him to just not deal
Speaker 1: with it at all. Then to try to deal with
Speaker 1: it and please all of these people. And on my end,
Speaker 1: it was like I wasn't doing my part to keep
Speaker 1: it peaceful. I was kind of fueling it too, because
Speaker 1: at that time, I felt like I was kind of
Speaker 1: like defending myself. I was standing up for myself. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying our fans, because our fans is
Speaker 1: a little bit slow. And I'm sorry to hate when
Speaker 1: I say that. They hate when I say that, because yeah, So,
Speaker 1: what what we were saying is that when the problems occurred,
Speaker 1: there was other people who came in who fueled your mind,
Speaker 1: fueled his mind. Is that what it was because the
Speaker 1: situation was between it was between me and his crew
Speaker 1: detoiled right now? What Na, that's the thing too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of it kind of during like to tell
Speaker 1: end of it, it kind of turned into me me
Speaker 1: versus Proof. It kind of got perceived that way just
Speaker 1: because of how vocal he is, how popular he is,
Speaker 1: and how popular I was at the time. Within that situation,
Speaker 1: it really stems back from an issue between me and Bizarre.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what it comes down to. Bizarre Bizarre,
Speaker 1: Me and Bizarre both went to the same high school.
Speaker 1: He was real cool. Well he wasn't real cool, but
Speaker 1: he was. He knew my big brother, my big brother's age.
Speaker 1: They didn't like each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you remember I told you nobody knew how wrapped, right,
Speaker 1: So this nigga Bazarre was like the man in high
Speaker 1: school and rapping. So as soon as he left, he
Speaker 1: found out that I was rapping now right, you don't
Speaker 1: like that. He didn't like that, so he came back
Speaker 1: like I don't like that. So yeah, he wasn't no
Speaker 1: no hating ship and that he's just a competitive Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he he came back and I was at the
Speaker 1: part he approached me and ship to battle, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we battled like that was my
Speaker 1: first time actually like knowing the niggasm. We battled, right,
Speaker 1: We did that. So years later I would see him
Speaker 1: at the hip hop shop. I'll see him out. So
Speaker 1: we was cool. When I started hanging with him, everything
Speaker 1: changed with me and everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was just like once everybody started getting deals,
Speaker 1: everybody was so competitive instead of supportive. That's why I
Speaker 1: always try to teach, not teach, but always try to
Speaker 1: like advocate unity within our community in Detroit with the
Speaker 1: young artist, because when we started getting deals, we were
Speaker 1: the first batch of nigga's getting deals in Detroit in years.
Speaker 1: So instead of us unified with each other, we all
Speaker 1: just competed with each other. Happens in Miami, happened York,
Speaker 1: happens in Queen. So just it just so happened with
Speaker 1: this certain situation. We were competing with each other too
Speaker 1: close under the same umbrella, and it put him in
Speaker 1: put him in the position where he pretty much had
Speaker 1: to choose, you know what I'm saying. So, um, it
Speaker 1: could have been it could have been rectified, but nobody
Speaker 1: was taking those steps. Everybody was just standing their ground,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, so once you do
Speaker 1: that and you don't funk with the communication, everybody around
Speaker 1: is trying to fuel it. They just make it worse
Speaker 1: and worse, worse and worse and worse and worse. So
Speaker 1: every time we've seen each other, they got more and
Speaker 1: more weird. You know what I'm saying. Niggas were saying
Speaker 1: this about each other. Niggs was saying that about each other.
Speaker 1: And I can't blame nobody because I know I did
Speaker 1: my part and the next thing, you know, this record
Speaker 1: got made then I made it was the first thing
Speaker 1: they dissed you first. It was detwolve this you first
Speaker 1: they put out the first record, but not am You
Speaker 1: and M didn't have no it was everybody else and
Speaker 1: M never had a problem. Me and Mr Porter never
Speaker 1: had a problem being Proof never had a problem. It
Speaker 1: was something between and me and bizarre And then it
Speaker 1: just grew. I just grew into something that it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been, you know what I mean, How did you
Speaker 1: fix it? I think it was time, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like a lot of time went by, nobody's
Speaker 1: speaking to each other. Then when we finally uh was
Speaker 1: improof passing. That was one of the things. That was
Speaker 1: one of the things. I mean, seeing him in that coffin, man,
Speaker 1: it was just like, yeah, yeah, God blessed. Seeing him
Speaker 1: in that coffin was just like, it's just too surreal,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like at one point I
Speaker 1: thought I didn't like him at one point, but seeing
Speaker 1: him in that coffin and it broke my heart so much,
Speaker 1: and seeing them all in the front row and seeing
Speaker 1: what the family went through and all of these different
Speaker 1: feelings and emotions. It just it makes you feel like
Speaker 1: life is short, Like what the funk are we beating for?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So, I mean that was
Speaker 1: one of the things. I think that was one of
Speaker 1: the things that helped Marshall kind of because me improof,
Speaker 1: me improof pieced it up way before he passed. He
Speaker 1: was like real cool. We went back on tour together
Speaker 1: and ship like that. Poof was like one of the
Speaker 1: happiest guys. I don't know, like he was always was
Speaker 1: happy every time. I forget what strip club I shot.
Speaker 1: I filmed. I keep I hate saying shot. Um. I
Speaker 1: filmed in Detroit. Um it was about an eight mile
Speaker 1: and I did the movie. Um what what was the movie?
Speaker 1: Not hard movie? No, no, nothing hard movie. It was,
Speaker 1: um Jerry Ride. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm enjoy Ride Detroit.
Speaker 1: I was out there. I holed to joint and before
Speaker 1: I get to the Joe buttons, Joe button and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, checking in. Checking in was basically almost invented
Speaker 1: by Detroit niggers. Right. How I visualized checking in was
Speaker 1: this was my homies anyway, So check my niggas is
Speaker 1: my niggas. I never felt landing in Detroit and say Yo,
Speaker 1: nig I'm here because that's what they required. They asked me.
Speaker 1: They didn't demand it. They they say nigga checking in,
Speaker 1: nigga mother. They they just say yo, nigga, when you
Speaker 1: in my city. I want to know because I know
Speaker 1: that there's other grammy niggas running around this city that
Speaker 1: might get you because they know you work with me.
Speaker 1: So I've always came to Detroit and I've always and
Speaker 1: most of the time these niggles to be busy anyway,
Speaker 1: So these niggas are, But Detroit is kind of like
Speaker 1: the people who patterned that checking in. What do you
Speaker 1: feel about that right now? Because this is this is
Speaker 1: a big controversy about checking in. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why such a controversy. I think it's
Speaker 1: just a lot of people they're they're measuring stick on
Speaker 1: what respect is. It's just completely different. It's just completely different,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I learned respect in
Speaker 1: the household, like my dad was. My dad ran the
Speaker 1: house with the iron fist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I got punched in the face at home before
Speaker 1: I ever could get punched in the face in the street.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that. I think that should happen
Speaker 1: to every kid. I should happen every get punch in
Speaker 1: your face? Is the fact we spreading it or drink kids,
Speaker 1: you get punch in the base. Everyone including your own,
Speaker 1: get punch in the base. Once. Let's go. When you
Speaker 1: go to somebody's city, you're going to the house. I
Speaker 1: said here as a girl, girls should not. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, you know, somebody, if somebody come
Speaker 1: to your house. Man, you know, like if I go
Speaker 1: to somebody's house, I'm thinking, damn, man. The first thing
Speaker 1: I do is I look at the carpet, like should
Speaker 1: I be taking my shoes off? This guy got white carpet.
Speaker 1: Let me take my shoes. I can go to your
Speaker 1: house for five thousand years, and I still will ask
Speaker 1: you can I go to the frigerator? Yes, Like I
Speaker 1: still be like yo, I will never go on someone's frigerator.
Speaker 1: Like I sort of go. I can go to your house,
Speaker 1: I said, I sort of. I still ask you can
Speaker 1: I use the bathroom? Like that's just who I am.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has that common sense, but not everybody was
Speaker 1: He's right, customs. I don't know before I even messed
Speaker 1: up I mean, like, yo, bru, when I go to
Speaker 1: somebody and you know what else, it was like that
Speaker 1: Styles piece. I came to my crib, this nigga cleaned
Speaker 1: up a mess that he didn't even make, like I'm
Speaker 1: just out there. And that's how the styles he was
Speaker 1: a killer. Off top the nigga came. I was like
Speaker 1: the hold on ory and this thing. I was like
Speaker 1: just just like some bottles I had from drinking, and
Speaker 1: like I was going to clean it up. But he
Speaker 1: got the first thing he did. He walked in my
Speaker 1: house and say, oh, scoose me. He didn't, he didn't
Speaker 1: say somebody's violing, and he just picked this shut up.
Speaker 1: I said, this nigga's like killer because anything is that's
Speaker 1: nice like that oh his other side. And so I
Speaker 1: knew that on top of me being a screen nigger,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, you know what i mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I went I went a little crazy. Kay? What
Speaker 1: that was? That was my new son was a great
Speaker 1: nigga's uh. I mean yeah, I think it's just a
Speaker 1: respect thing. I totally understand it. Just because I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 1: Maybe if I came from somewhere else, the lines would
Speaker 1: be a little skewed. Maybe I would look at it like,
Speaker 1: damn what they're trying to say, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I understand why some people don't understand, but I mean,
Speaker 1: everything ain't for you to understand. No, But the thing
Speaker 1: about it is Royce, right, you being from being from
Speaker 1: not even from Detroit, you being from hip hop. And
Speaker 1: you know when I got an album called The Warrior
Speaker 1: Port and I have a partner who's from Queensbridge and
Speaker 1: it's from left right, and you go to Queensbridge and
Speaker 1: left right because your record label tells you you gotta
Speaker 1: go out there and go promote in this restaurant and
Speaker 1: then go promote and this guy's and I gotta retail store.
Speaker 1: One of the first things you shouldn't do. It's called
Speaker 1: the two Motherfucker's, you know from that spot. So I
Speaker 1: gotta say your Royce, man, it's like reflect, reflect, I'm
Speaker 1: not even going out there right now, and you can
Speaker 1: make a decision right from there and then but now
Speaker 1: you don't make that call, and ship happens. This is
Speaker 1: the reason why, Like I'm just I'm just debating the cost.
Speaker 1: But do you think that's the same context that they're
Speaker 1: using it now? Just to be devils. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: think that case. I checked in with you for the
Speaker 1: for the whole time. I got my drugs from you
Speaker 1: for twelve years straight. Let's make the norm I used
Speaker 1: to spend in Miami. I try to. I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I drop's gonna give me the dry He'll
Speaker 1: give me the way, he'll ednie gigs, he won't bring
Speaker 1: it personally gigs and what I wanted to see, you
Speaker 1: brought it too. God makes a lot of time about
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. But no, let me people can
Speaker 1: say that was checking antie. I know, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that when I landed in Miami and I said,
Speaker 1: when I'm landing in Miami and I wanted to do yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate you. You you what you're saying, that's called
Speaker 1: checking what I'm trying to do. Devil's an avocate, the
Speaker 1: devil's advocate. The context is different because you're saying you
Speaker 1: check them with people you knew. These people now are
Speaker 1: arguing over checking when people they don't know. Well, guess
Speaker 1: what if you go to a person city, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. This is their city. You don't know
Speaker 1: these people in the city. You have to meet them.
Speaker 1: You have meeting. It is different, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna continue to go to that city.
Speaker 1: It's nothing wrong with saying your trick, trick, what's up,
Speaker 1: chad of boys with something? I know, I'm old school.
Speaker 1: I know. You know what I'm saying. You know it's
Speaker 1: so very old school, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 1: it is not wrong. You know what's up. I'm here,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna eat over here. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: over there, like all right. Cool, Because now if something
Speaker 1: happened in the city and then you're gonna rush to
Speaker 1: them after, then it's like, Nigga, you should have said that.
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna call after you, so you might
Speaker 1: as gonna say from the beginning. And I don't see
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but I can I could also
Speaker 1: see where a young person is also saying, well, I
Speaker 1: ain't gotta you know whatever, whatever, Like I can see
Speaker 1: what they're saying. But it's that that's actually the wrong
Speaker 1: thing the way to think. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: because they don't have to be nice. Could be whatever
Speaker 1: it could be, whatever, you know, whatever the people from
Speaker 1: that city wanted to be. That's what it could be.
Speaker 1: That's what people don't realize. It's like right. So so now,
Speaker 1: Joe butten, you guys were actually beefing right before y'all
Speaker 1: started slaughter House. You guys are actually coming at each other.
Speaker 1: Not not not technically. I mean, he didn't come at me.
Speaker 1: He didn't come back at me. I was firing off
Speaker 1: on him on my mixtape because he started. He just
Speaker 1: dissed me for no reason. That's how he is, big
Speaker 1: him up. He's a bergo. That's how we are. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry this in case Joe Thaw was coming that
Speaker 1: had my hurgos and he just dissed me for no reason. Bro,
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta call out of nowhere, like, hell,
Speaker 1: you you know this is Joe Button nigger. I was like,
Speaker 1: Joe Button, Oh, you didn't know him. I had never
Speaker 1: met him, because I felt like all y'all knew each
Speaker 1: other in the mind. Man, Bro, I didn't know Joe.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know him. I wasn't following
Speaker 1: him like I wasn't. I'm not gonna say I wasn't
Speaker 1: a fan because I did. Um. My wife liked his
Speaker 1: first album. She used she used to play it, so
Speaker 1: I used to hear some of the songs. Yea pump
Speaker 1: it up, AM when I used to hear some of
Speaker 1: the songs and be like, you know, this is a
Speaker 1: crap like this. So I was aware that he was
Speaker 1: a high level with MC. I was aware, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like following his his his independent initially started y'all
Speaker 1: to even start sparring, bro, What did he say? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't did this thing. I got myself in this situation, bro,
Speaker 1: where I was in the battle with Mr Fab. Y'all
Speaker 1: talked about it on here before Mr I was in
Speaker 1: the battle with Mr Fab. He smoked me, smoked me,
Speaker 1: smoked me. So Joe was supposed to be there. I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was gonna be in the battle. I
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared to battle because I can't free stop, so
Speaker 1: I ain't had nothing written for it. So I was
Speaker 1: just doing like regular raps and ship Yeah, shout out
Speaker 1: the chuck from all hip hop. Because he told me
Speaker 1: I wasn't coming to a battle. He told me something
Speaker 1: totally different than when I got there. I was just yeah.
Speaker 1: So Joe never showed up. I was supposed Mr Bab
Speaker 1: said he put on the show. He said he put
Speaker 1: slowed the house together. He's one of the he's one
Speaker 1: of the kind of like the kid he kind of
Speaker 1: like the catalyst continue and shot. So you know, so
Speaker 1: the whole time, you know, like if Joe would have
Speaker 1: showed up, he was the one, because the whole place
Speaker 1: was just like Joe. Yeah, he kept saying, he kept
Speaker 1: saying he was on his way. This nigga kept telling
Speaker 1: Chuck he was on his way, knowing he wasn't coming.
Speaker 1: So the whole places like built up in that and
Speaker 1: we took some from all hip from all hip hop.
Speaker 1: My nigga's my nigg even though he lied to me.
Speaker 1: So he blatantly knew that it was a battle because
Speaker 1: he knew I wouldn't be in it, like Fante Fante
Speaker 1: was in it, and then Fante pulled out at the
Speaker 1: last minute. So I knew something was fishing because everybody
Speaker 1: kept pull little brother. Yeah. I didn't even know Mr
Speaker 1: Fab at that point, so it was like they told
Speaker 1: he was definitely unknown. He was unknown, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not knowing this nigg is a freestyle wizard, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my kid. Yeah, So it's like so I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm like they like, you're just gonna rhyme versus you're
Speaker 1: gonna rhyme versus and the crowd is gonna judge him.
Speaker 1: I get there. Craig g as the host that should
Speaker 1: have been a flat specialist all the time queens Bridge
Speaker 1: by the way, all the battles, he was like you ready,
Speaker 1: you got your raps ready for the battle. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not here the battle. And he was looking at
Speaker 1: me like like he knew. He knew, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was like and then Joe kept
Speaker 1: saying he was on the way. He never showed up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like they was like Joe's
Speaker 1: brother had just got shot or some ship like that.
Speaker 1: So it ended up just being me and Mr Fab
Speaker 1: No other contestants was directly at you. No, no, he freestyles.
Speaker 1: Know if if he would have directed his raps at me,
Speaker 1: which he could have did because he's a freestyler, he
Speaker 1: would have killed me even worse. So he held back
Speaker 1: and saying I told him, don't direct no raps at
Speaker 1: I told him before that. I was like, bro, I
Speaker 1: come in to battle. You know what I'm saying, don't
Speaker 1: face me, say nothing about me. And he was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, I respect that we shook hands. He
Speaker 1: was cool, so he wrapped his raps, but he was
Speaker 1: he was kicking battle raps, but he wasn't saying my name.
Speaker 1: So I just remember him saying something like I get
Speaker 1: you shot like Choe Brother did or something, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was like he was freestyling.
Speaker 1: So he was already talking about Joe Brother is just
Speaker 1: good man, you know what I'm saying. So all while
Speaker 1: he rapping, I'm sitting and thinking to myself, this is bad.
Speaker 1: This is bad. So I'll go. I get to Mike
Speaker 1: and I'm rapping Versus off of my album that I
Speaker 1: worked I was working on at that time. In the
Speaker 1: crowd was just like, all right, we came to see
Speaker 1: a battle, you know what I'm saying. So it's hot.
Speaker 1: But literally the only person in the room who don't
Speaker 1: realize who don't realize the battle so so so you know,
Speaker 1: like halfway through fab Mr Fab first verse, I realized, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna win this so um
Speaker 1: because that I was told you will win up like
Speaker 1: a prize to win determined though the crowd, judge crowd.
Speaker 1: It was a pro New York crowd. This is the
Speaker 1: reason why I actually to all the respect to was.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why I took a liking to Mr
Speaker 1: fab was because he had an l a accent, uh
Speaker 1: you know California actually excuse me, and he had all
Speaker 1: this and he kind of like challenged everybody in the crowd,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, all right, cool. That was
Speaker 1: dope to me because he was the exact opposite of
Speaker 1: what we're used to seeing, Like I like, I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of about a rap. I don't want to battle
Speaker 1: nobody though. He was like he had on the shirt
Speaker 1: I think he had on the shirt with like airbrush
Speaker 1: on it and shape. He just didn't look he didn't
Speaker 1: look like nobody that I felt like compete with me
Speaker 1: and wrapping, you know what I mean. So I was
Speaker 1: just looking at him like all right, I should be
Speaker 1: all right, it's just me and this guy. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I've never heard of him, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like the nigger start rapping? And
Speaker 1: how did how did you and Joe? That is that
Speaker 1: how you meet? You and Joe became cool? Yeah? Because okay,
Speaker 1: so look so after he won that battle, you know,
Speaker 1: it was footage of it, so it went on YouTube. Joe,
Speaker 1: knowing he didn't show up, goes and looks at the footage.
Speaker 1: So I guess maybe he was a fan of me
Speaker 1: before and he felt like, oh Royce fell off because
Speaker 1: look how he looked in this battle. So you know,
Speaker 1: Joe came just keep his feelings to itself. He got
Speaker 1: to go public and say the ship and this ain't
Speaker 1: even podcast Joe, this is just it's just troublemaker Joe.
Speaker 1: So he um. He went in interview with DJ Envy
Speaker 1: and he said some ship about the battle and talked
Speaker 1: about how I looked like ship in the battle, and
Speaker 1: Envy was agreeing with him, like yeah, he didn't look
Speaker 1: realty bad, you know what I'm saying. Like, so there's
Speaker 1: this whole conversation about how bad I looked in the battle,
Speaker 1: and I don't have no mic to be able to
Speaker 1: clarify what really happened. It was just an l I
Speaker 1: just had to take. So um. And then Joe makes
Speaker 1: a song and then in the song he's like, uh
Speaker 1: something something something something about Mr fab because him and
Speaker 1: Mr Fad was having words too, and he was like
Speaker 1: and Royce failed the funk off. So I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: mention him and none, no, no, done. My phone blew
Speaker 1: up like crazy to tell me about the song. So
Speaker 1: I'm like this niggod, this nig is actually saying my
Speaker 1: name didn't show up for the battle that he did.
Speaker 1: He didn't show la that's what you're saying. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm just taking ls all across the board at this point.
Speaker 1: So like, so, um, I did, like what the m
Speaker 1: c s do? You know what I'm saying. I picked
Speaker 1: up a pen and I told myself, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let up on Joe Button until he responds. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna say my name. You like five records, right, I
Speaker 1: can't remember how many. I didn't write no records about him.
Speaker 1: I just because at that point it was like in
Speaker 1: my mind it was like I got I want to
Speaker 1: beat him. I want to beat him. So like whatever
Speaker 1: I'm gonna battle somebody, I never just I never just
Speaker 1: shoot the full clip immediately out the gate. I'll say
Speaker 1: a line, if you respond, if you respond to it,
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go. You know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: really right now, that's the young girl. So I mentioned
Speaker 1: his name a few times on my mixtape Bar exam
Speaker 1: and he did some interviews, he said some more stuff.
Speaker 1: Whatever the case, it didn't seem like that he really
Speaker 1: wanted the battle. I ended up finding out later that
Speaker 1: he was just like he was gonna respond. He wrote
Speaker 1: some ship. He just never put it out. So, um,
Speaker 1: the ship that I was dissing him on, he heard
Speaker 1: that and he was a fan of that. So I
Speaker 1: guess he heard it and was like, oh, so this
Speaker 1: nigga didn't fall off. And his boys was telling him, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should dis him, and Keno was
Speaker 1: telling me stop dissing him. I don't think you should
Speaker 1: dis him. Y'all should work together. So this nigga caused
Speaker 1: me out of nowhere. I'm I'm at the hospital. My
Speaker 1: first daughter is being born. So he Um, we get
Speaker 1: on the phone, Joe called, Yeah, and Joe because Keno
Speaker 1: told me, he was like yo, he he reached out
Speaker 1: to me through Chuck, who look like the guy. I
Speaker 1: don't sense to up. I don't sex to up set up.
Speaker 1: Chuck set me up, fab killed me, and then Joe
Speaker 1: didn't show up. He sold me out. So so um,
Speaker 1: we get on the phone and he's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? Like I want to. I got this song.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. I want you to
Speaker 1: get on. I started to be like, yo, what's up
Speaker 1: with that ship? You've been talking? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I just was like, I'm in the hospital about
Speaker 1: to have my first girl. Keo was like Keno was like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. You shouldn't be dissing him because I wrote
Speaker 1: some more ships I was about to put out and
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I don't put that out. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't put that out. So I didn't want to feel
Speaker 1: like I was a troublemaker because I think I was
Speaker 1: fighting a lot at that time. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, I just pretended like nothing never happened,
Speaker 1: because that's how Joe is. If you don't like bring it,
Speaker 1: bring it up to him, he won't talk about it
Speaker 1: because it's nothing to him, Like it's not. I took
Speaker 1: it personal. He didn't. I took the ship real personal.
Speaker 1: I was mad, you know, me and my little brothers
Speaker 1: to talk about like my seat of snigger, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's totally oblivious to him. It's
Speaker 1: just rap, you know what I'm saying. So I learned
Speaker 1: that about him. Once I got to know him, so
Speaker 1: I was like, well, who's gonna be on the song?
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm putting you Crooked Eye Joel Ortiz.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, that should sound like a
Speaker 1: slaughter House. And he was like, oh shoot, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the song that. So I went, I
Speaker 1: left the hospital. I left the hospital that night, went
Speaker 1: later diverse real quick, came right back to the hospital
Speaker 1: and sent it to him. He put it out the
Speaker 1: next day, and that's how slaughter House was for him.
Speaker 1: I'm not I thought, we're just gonna have to be
Speaker 1: seven questions later. How you put the grove together? That
Speaker 1: that's an amazing that's an amazing story, best ship I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. Look at that and it works. But you
Speaker 1: know what I learned from that, man, It's like, you
Speaker 1: gotta stop taking everything personal. Yep, you have to keep
Speaker 1: you gotta keep an open mind about relationships. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: don't run around on everybody's dick, but don't close yourself
Speaker 1: off from people. I did that for many years. Once
Speaker 1: I started collaborating with people and being open to just
Speaker 1: getting to know other sides of people instead of judging
Speaker 1: them before you really get to know him. I got
Speaker 1: to meet some good people. I learned a lot from collaborating,
Speaker 1: and I achieved a lot of successful ship just standing
Speaker 1: next to people and playing my playing my position, and
Speaker 1: also being willing to learn from people. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You think you would have made that same
Speaker 1: decision without the people around you that was telling you,
Speaker 1: you know, just do it played a part. But I
Speaker 1: think I had I was. I was at the right age.
Speaker 1: I had been through enough. You know, I certainly didn't
Speaker 1: want to have problems with nobody at that point, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you know, I still I'm competitive.
Speaker 1: I'm an m C. I'm certainly not the type of
Speaker 1: MC you could just say my name, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we're gonna you say my name. We're
Speaker 1: gonna battle all year. How honored are you so? Um
Speaker 1: be on the list of people that they say that
Speaker 1: Eminem didn't body on the record, they said they the
Speaker 1: list that he bodied people on the record, It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I'm honored just to work with him, man, You know,
Speaker 1: I'm honored. I'm honored to work with him. Every time
Speaker 1: we do something. Every time we do something, I still
Speaker 1: feel it's the same with Preme. I never really like, goddamn,
Speaker 1: make some noise for me, we get into that, let's
Speaker 1: don't work. Yeah, I mean, I just I just you know,
Speaker 1: when we started working with each other, it was just
Speaker 1: respect for each other as m c S. I didn't
Speaker 1: have no idea he was gonna become what he what
Speaker 1: he became, you know. So um, once we started working
Speaker 1: and he became like this phenomenon and yeah he was
Speaker 1: body and everybody, you know, like when he was doing
Speaker 1: a lot of features with people, that was like his thing.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't know, man, I kinda we used
Speaker 1: to do songs. I just didn't used to feel like
Speaker 1: I always felt like he killed me on every song.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I did. I didn't realize people was gonna
Speaker 1: be like, yo, you're the only person who body marshal
Speaker 1: on songs or you still test the time. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I can't think on one time my body, not one time. Well, um,
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Speaker 1: we'll put it to you like this, my nigga. First
Speaker 1: of all, the real answer is there is no There
Speaker 1: is no answer to that question. It's like asked. It's
Speaker 1: like asking somebody better between big and it's keep. It's
Speaker 1: based off your your preference. They provided you two different
Speaker 1: things that you can't really compare now. If you want
Speaker 1: to go if you want to go deeper, I'm a
Speaker 1: whole stand that retigate whole versus light work for whole,
Speaker 1: light work, light work, light work, kind of listen that
Speaker 1: m verse light work. Me and M did that song
Speaker 1: and just threw it away. We did the song. It
Speaker 1: was like you was the actually that was my record.
Speaker 1: He produced it right and he produced it, right, So
Speaker 1: your versus was whole with Hold. Water was taking my
Speaker 1: verses out and Hold. He sent it to Hold with
Speaker 1: holes in it, and Hold just wrapped and filled it in.
Speaker 1: Damn right, damn right, you fucking sucking up the whole poet.
Speaker 1: You came here for a reason. Don't hit them, Okay.
Speaker 1: So that describe subscribe how this happens you. You guys
Speaker 1: do the record. Jay Z flies to Detroit, I imagine,
Speaker 1: no California. They sent the records, sent it, sent it
Speaker 1: and m sends Jay there. It's just just what it was,
Speaker 1: the same as act record. Yeah, he had been asking,
Speaker 1: He had been asking them, and they've been both. Their
Speaker 1: schedules was crazy, so they kept missing each other. So
Speaker 1: um he asked him. Him called me, was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about giving jay Z this Renegade record.
Speaker 1: What you think would you be cool with that? And
Speaker 1: I just felt like it was cool to he even
Speaker 1: asked me because technically it wasn't my record no more.
Speaker 1: We we did two records, and I was supposed to
Speaker 1: just pick one of them for me to use the
Speaker 1: other one, but you know what I mean, Like Renegade
Speaker 1: was just something we felt like we can, we could
Speaker 1: do better. I felt like we could do better, you know,
Speaker 1: So we took my verses off, took my listen, you yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we was right. I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: was right. I just I'm just saying, maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: just said that's what you basically said. Listen. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: maybe we just had like a maybe I had like
Speaker 1: a picture in my head, or maybe I had something
Speaker 1: in my mind that I felt like we needed to
Speaker 1: be doing at that time. And maybe I was just
Speaker 1: trying to shape ship according to my album, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like it was good. It became
Speaker 1: great when they did it, when we were doing it,
Speaker 1: I felt like it was good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think it. I didn't think it was that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So my part of the
Speaker 1: hook got taken out, My verses got taken out, and
Speaker 1: he sent it to Jay like that. We still and
Speaker 1: when Jay says his part, that's never been afraid to
Speaker 1: say what's on my mind? I mean, I still I
Speaker 1: still said that. I said that part, but my version
Speaker 1: of it. Old took it and rewrote his part to
Speaker 1: say Cove's way but it was the same words, just
Speaker 1: never been afraid to say just the same words. It's
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because he was like because jigga, jigga like
Speaker 1: that part. At first it was because royce'ster can't get
Speaker 1: Detroit and I'm just saying this to Mr kiss my
Speaker 1: asses Justice. So he just switched. As the version exists somewhere,
Speaker 1: what's all long? Would you? Yeah? Well that put that
Speaker 1: up doubt Now what what what do you feel about
Speaker 1: the ghost right and ship? Because it's very favorite stories.
Speaker 1: You ghost writing for a lot of people? Really, I
Speaker 1: think he mentioned a couple of them already. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean everybody who who I wrote without? It's pretty much
Speaker 1: public knowledge. I tweeted this the other day too. I
Speaker 1: never secretly wrote for nobody, contrary to popular belief. I
Speaker 1: don't know why people think that, but I really haven't.
Speaker 1: So who did you write for? Publicly? I wrote for Puff,
Speaker 1: that's right, Hen't afraid to say that? Not Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote for Dre I wrote them. Afraid to say that
Speaker 1: I wrote the message on the chronic album I wrote.
Speaker 1: I wrote tell Me with Christina Aguilera for Puff on
Speaker 1: the Space Hold On You A R and B Burgers Too.
Speaker 1: Version I thought you made Christina. I said, what on
Speaker 1: the song that I know? I thought you make you
Speaker 1: wrote with Christina Alara. I'm like, Nick, what's the one? Okay?
Speaker 1: I wish, but um, yeah, I wrote that. I wrote
Speaker 1: up the original Exploment. Oh yeah, yeah, I wrote yeah
Speaker 1: with some of the Ship that I wrote on Dre
Speaker 1: album that didn't make the album. Some of that is
Speaker 1: like on he said, the original Explosion record another I
Speaker 1: took a I'm trying. Is there anybody else? I don't
Speaker 1: think I wrote for nobody else? Oh yeah, bro, for
Speaker 1: who cannabis? Cannabis? Say that? Oh yeah, who, Who's who?
Speaker 1: You write for cannabis? Come on? He got serious. I
Speaker 1: totally forgot all about that. Man. It's something serious, right,
Speaker 1: it was. I was in I was in the lab
Speaker 1: one time. Oh my god, he's gonna he's gonna want
Speaker 1: to kill me for this. But I was in the
Speaker 1: lab with cannabis back in the day and ships and
Speaker 1: he um, I don't know, man, he must have reached
Speaker 1: like a point in his life man where he just
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing his hands up with this ship.
Speaker 1: So he was like, we were like working on the
Speaker 1: song and ship, and I laid my verse, and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, that ship sounds crazy. And he
Speaker 1: was like should You can probably just go ahead and
Speaker 1: write the whole song if you want to. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what you know, you hear somebody say some
Speaker 1: ships just can't quite believe it, so you make him
Speaker 1: repeat it just to make sure you ain't tripping. So
Speaker 1: I was like you, what'd you say? So he basically
Speaker 1: was asking me to write the whole song, so I
Speaker 1: would just I was like, listen, bro, you a legend.
Speaker 1: Bro Like, I started just talking him off the edge,
Speaker 1: talking to him off the ledge, and I was just
Speaker 1: in my mind thinking to myself, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: You know, like you cannabis, my nigger, You're a cannabis.
Speaker 1: So it's just like we end up we did. We
Speaker 1: did the song, and he ended up writing his verse.
Speaker 1: But if he if he, if I would have wrote it,
Speaker 1: he would have let me this cannabis is cannabis, of course.
Speaker 1: And before the battle that he did, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying after this is this is post post alien cannabis.
Speaker 1: That's that's the good the alien is. When he had
Speaker 1: he had the battle with no rhymes, cannabis, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you see that for this. Come on, man, let's
Speaker 1: not that's my man. I love him, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, but he did this before. It
Speaker 1: was before that. It was before. It was a while back.
Speaker 1: It was a while back. It has to be before that.
Speaker 1: So cannabis actually the writers wrong. I forgot all about it.
Speaker 1: This just brought it back to my testa. Man. I
Speaker 1: wanted to forget it. Keno got un. I'm saying out
Speaker 1: to cannabis to take cannabis, want to take in a way.
Speaker 1: But Royce did get asked to right as around one day.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that's it. That's one time. That's
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy. Bro. Now, slaughter House, you and
Speaker 1: Joey have this little quarrel. How does joe I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: we don't understand the song, but and then we understand
Speaker 1: that the name of the song was actually called slaughter
Speaker 1: How do y'all take it serious? From there? How do
Speaker 1: y'all say all? You know what? It went so fast, bro,
Speaker 1: we um as soon as the reaction happened to the
Speaker 1: song that was back, I was just starting to become
Speaker 1: a little bit in that savvy. Joe was already in
Speaker 1: that savvy from from the gate. He had a really
Speaker 1: really really good understanding how to market things via the Internet,
Speaker 1: and just he was he had a good day, he
Speaker 1: had a good gage, just when things were special verses,
Speaker 1: when they were just regular verses and it didn't matter
Speaker 1: at all. So he hit me back with Keeno on
Speaker 1: the three way again. So he says, he says, yo,
Speaker 1: he said, he said, you see that. You see the reaction, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I kind of seen it a
Speaker 1: little bit. He was like, yeah, man, we gotta do
Speaker 1: more ship, We got to do more stuff. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, I'm cool. I'm cool with that. He
Speaker 1: was like I told him. I was like me and
Speaker 1: you should me and you should do some more ship,
Speaker 1: like we should do an album or something. And Keno
Speaker 1: was like, all, y'all nigga should do an album. Y'all
Speaker 1: all should do it. He's saying the house. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, now, at that time, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go even deeper. I forgot about this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a drunk. So at that time I heard of
Speaker 1: Joe l Ortiz and I was aware that he was
Speaker 1: a monster, right crooked. I was aware that he was
Speaker 1: a monster Crooked I didn't really like because I asked
Speaker 1: that negg to do a song and he told me, yeah,
Speaker 1: he never did it. So I took that ship first.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's how I used to be. That's
Speaker 1: how I used to be. I used to take everything personal,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, so um and Crook that is
Speaker 1: coming off of death Row. Yeah now he was yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was it was was he still yeah, it
Speaker 1: was kind of okay. Yeah. So um, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, whatever we could do that. So we
Speaker 1: started every time I would go to New York. She
Speaker 1: basically wasn't feeling that idea. No, I was not that
Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling it just wasn't like now I was.
Speaker 1: I was in to do whatever. I was in to
Speaker 1: do whatever. But my first impulse, my first instinct was
Speaker 1: for me and Joe to do more ship. So when
Speaker 1: when it when it came, like, when the idea came,
Speaker 1: now you should stay working with all of them, yeah,
Speaker 1: just do it do it like that, like okay, So
Speaker 1: I was like cool. I was cool with that idea too,
Speaker 1: but I just knew I had to kind of like
Speaker 1: get to know dudes and ship like that. So what
Speaker 1: we did was we ran an idea by everybody, and
Speaker 1: everybody was with it. So we were just all whenever
Speaker 1: we were playing times to go to New York and
Speaker 1: then we would meet up at Joe's crib talk about
Speaker 1: forming a group on camera and ship like that and
Speaker 1: let the internet kind of follow ship as it manifested
Speaker 1: itself organically into whatever it was gonna be, you know.
Speaker 1: So and then it was like, in the meantime, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll continue to do music together. So the next song
Speaker 1: we did was a song called Onslaught, And that's when
Speaker 1: we realized that, you know, like, because I was at
Speaker 1: the very beginning when we all of us felt like
Speaker 1: we want to each of us felt like we want
Speaker 1: to have the best verse on every song. So that's
Speaker 1: when we got a dose motherfucking Crooked Eye. He came
Speaker 1: in late, heard our verses, laid his ship, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, all right, man, well if he had
Speaker 1: the best version over, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: I mean it just started working like that. So before
Speaker 1: we even did the album, we was already doing the
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells tour. We was already touring together as
Speaker 1: a group. So I had heard that um I had
Speaker 1: read obviously, I forget what your magazine that it was like,
Speaker 1: uh uh, Slaughterhouse was Eminem's version of the Firm, Like
Speaker 1: I forget what. Yeah, but keep in mind they were
Speaker 1: successful independently before I'm assuming before m even thought about
Speaker 1: sign firm. Yeah, as soon as um, as soon as
Speaker 1: we put the album out on EAT one. In the
Speaker 1: first album I thought the first album was on Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the second second they were touring. I remember, y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw like a lot of stuff on the internet
Speaker 1: that y'all, it was really successful independently. Yeah, we pretty much. Um,
Speaker 1: we found the sailing, We found our sailing independently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm told with Tech nine, right, we put the shout
Speaker 1: out the Tech nine that's my guy. We put the
Speaker 1: album out on EAT one, and there's a number one
Speaker 1: independent album in the country and makes a noise of
Speaker 1: that guy, Darren. So when we did that, when we
Speaker 1: did that, that got the attention to Shape, That got
Speaker 1: the attention of all the major labels. And that he
Speaker 1: was already like, no, friends with the people from Shady
Speaker 1: he was friends with them. No, not really, And just
Speaker 1: sit backtrack a little bit. Why hadn't you had a
Speaker 1: project on Shady. I mean we talked about it because
Speaker 1: me and Marshall stopped talking. So that was the reason
Speaker 1: why it was gonna happen. If that hadn't happened, Oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, because uh he he established that company
Speaker 1: a little bit after I saw him. You remember, like
Speaker 1: I got a deal right after him. It was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and I saw good Man said I'm used to it,
Speaker 1: so we we um he got a deal, he got
Speaker 1: his deal. I started working with him, and I immediately
Speaker 1: signed this deal with Tommy Boy. Seeing me, they're saying,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry when I got When I got to deal
Speaker 1: with Tommy Boy, I never had a problem getting a
Speaker 1: deal again. After that, I went right to Sony. After
Speaker 1: time By dropped me, I went to Sony and got
Speaker 1: another million dollars, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: did that. By that time, Shady was already established, but
Speaker 1: I never was in a position where it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need a record deal. He executive produced my album
Speaker 1: on Sony, so he was always a part of it,
Speaker 1: but we just never did it on his on his label.
Speaker 1: So after we stopped talking, ship, so many years went by,
Speaker 1: so much happened in his life, so much happened in
Speaker 1: my life. So when we formed slaughter House, that when
Speaker 1: we signed the deal with Shady with slaughter House, that
Speaker 1: was me and M's first time actually sitting down like
Speaker 1: in this manner. We talked on the phone a couple
Speaker 1: of times, but just the way we're sitting and talking
Speaker 1: now and just reflecting as men. It was after the
Speaker 1: slaughter House deal. Yeah, but how many other niggas was hey,
Speaker 1: and let's just keep it real, Hayden, Like who like,
Speaker 1: you know, because all of them niggas know that you know,
Speaker 1: ever House, Like I mean, like I mean this is
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of niggs were like, damn,
Speaker 1: like you noticed, we don't bro you know what? Many
Speaker 1: everybody was just so happy, just so happy to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like we was in our We
Speaker 1: was in this in this situation in our lives where
Speaker 1: it was like Motherfucker's had wrote us off years ago,
Speaker 1: you know, So it was like it was like another
Speaker 1: shot at this ship on a major scale, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So everybody was just happy to everything
Speaker 1: we went through individually to form this group out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: We didn't plan it. It just happened. And now we're
Speaker 1: sitting in the room with this motherfucker who was like
Speaker 1: a megastar. Hey, you know, man, Like you can't really
Speaker 1: gauge how anybody feels their first time sitting around him,
Speaker 1: because whenever I'm around them and I see people meet
Speaker 1: him for the first time, they're never theirselves. People weirdest
Speaker 1: funk around him, man. So it's like it's all yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's like it's crazy to see some Beatles, you know
Speaker 1: that type of yeah. So it was just, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely no, definitely, no hate. Everybody was just everybody was happy. Man.
Speaker 1: So now Joe Biden again, he has a show. His
Speaker 1: show is lit. He can choose to use his platform
Speaker 1: in a way where if his opinion matters, and his
Speaker 1: opinion because swayed people a certain way, he shouldn't, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't. Eminem drops this album, Joe goes on, and
Speaker 1: Joe says, I don't remember. I don't want to word
Speaker 1: for word his words, so I don't remember. But it basically,
Speaker 1: in power phrasing, he's saying this album is not m
Speaker 1: it's not good. Everyone is mad. If he sent goes on,
Speaker 1: he threatens him, say he's gonna get an ask whipping,
Speaker 1: and you as a sort of house brother, you as
Speaker 1: a brother to Eminem, you as a friend of Eminem
Speaker 1: and as a friend of Joey. Where do you stand
Speaker 1: in that? How do you feel at that very moment?
Speaker 1: I mean told him how I felt. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like man told I told Joey how I felt about it?
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Speaker 1: I'm at a point man where I don't really like
Speaker 1: talking about it, and we're gonna talk about it. But
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you why before. Every time I
Speaker 1: say something about it, man, it's like this, the topic
Speaker 1: excelf itself grows new legs again. Like Joey got this
Speaker 1: thing man, where he can't stop. He can't stop mentioning
Speaker 1: things for views, even at the expense of like how
Speaker 1: his friends feel and ship like that, Like he caught
Speaker 1: up in his world right now. So it's like, that's
Speaker 1: not really my character, it's not my personality. It's like
Speaker 1: to keep talking about something that's not even really it's
Speaker 1: not important to him. He hasn't talked about it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like Joe went on there and
Speaker 1: he said something about the song. It's a song, Um
Speaker 1: that input out. Joe said a bunch of badshit about
Speaker 1: the song. I felt like Joe went a little too hard,
Speaker 1: especially especially knowing you have a deal with this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I feel like he entitled
Speaker 1: to his opinion. You know, he's entitled to his opinion.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to talk about it and talk about
Speaker 1: the execution of it without it looking like you're trying
Speaker 1: to tell him he can't have his opinion, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like I'm always real careful
Speaker 1: with what I um, what I say, and what I
Speaker 1: don't say in regards to him, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because this is like the sting looming now, where's like
Speaker 1: every time I say something, everybody is like looking at
Speaker 1: me like I'm just rights again, keeping keeping for the
Speaker 1: white boy, like being being too loyal that they're trying
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah. But the thing about it is when
Speaker 1: we have a sense of history, we have to sort
Speaker 1: of respect that history. Meaning it's like, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this, and I'm probably sure he's gonna be mad
Speaker 1: for saying me saying this, but trag is my man,
Speaker 1: right and trash. You know, he recently called me about
Speaker 1: something said and I immediately said sorry because I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to say what I said what it got us
Speaker 1: or what I said and so immediately I said sorry,
Speaker 1: And I think he didn't even was expecting that. I
Speaker 1: think he was just like, oh ship what like he
Speaker 1: wanted me to be the old normy where I was
Speaker 1: like and I was so so what I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say is you, on one hand, jokes should
Speaker 1: have he should have his opinion. But on the second hand,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a sort, it's a sign
Speaker 1: of disloyalty. It's a sign because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. And if I'm just use you for example,
Speaker 1: because you just came from the bathroom, right, if and
Speaker 1: you open up a pizza shop, right, your piece is hard, right,
Speaker 1: I appreciate what I'm just saying. Please just use PiZZ Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna over there on Wednesdays because my brother,
Speaker 1: because I'm your brother, and I'm gonna just open up,
Speaker 1: like if you ever asked me, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you like the pizza, then I'm gonna tell you, not
Speaker 1: in front of people though, from the public, and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: if it's a camera around, But guess what, as a brother,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna still go to a
Speaker 1: piece of shop on Wednesdays. That's just it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where it was like, Okay, when I
Speaker 1: when I first seen it, loyalty wasn't really what popped
Speaker 1: into my head. It was more like a respect respect thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, respecting loyal brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so um than just you know, the verbis has been
Speaker 1: like the verbiage that's been used. It's been sparkling all
Speaker 1: kinds of different different conversations and opening up all kinds
Speaker 1: of different new narratives and ship like that. It's just
Speaker 1: been like it's like a it's like a playground for
Speaker 1: like semantics and you know what I'm saying, like twisting
Speaker 1: words around and ship like that. But the very rawest
Speaker 1: way look at it, it's just you use the wrong
Speaker 1: words talking about somebody. You don't have to be loyal,
Speaker 1: just be respectful, not just with Marshall, with anybody, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like there's a difference in me
Speaker 1: saying I'm not feeling that than me saying that ship
Speaker 1: trash throw it in rice, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, so when I looked at that, it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, Marsha was mad. It was ill because I
Speaker 1: didn't really even talk to him about it like that.
Speaker 1: Not that big of a deal, But it's just kind
Speaker 1: of unfortunate to see somebody that you cool with to
Speaker 1: do that kind of ship at this juncture in our careers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's just like, damn, it's
Speaker 1: like you're just throwing relationships away for no reason, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's just like, it's just
Speaker 1: from where I was sitting, how I felt it just
Speaker 1: so happened. It Right after it happened, I go on
Speaker 1: this press run and it's it's getting brought up to
Speaker 1: me and I'm mentioning it, and I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: being as as careful as I could have been with
Speaker 1: the words I'm choosing, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that's why it keeps turning into the conversation over and
Speaker 1: over again. But at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. It's just he gave
Speaker 1: his opinion, he did it his way, it got received
Speaker 1: a certain way. I've seen it. I picked up on it.
Speaker 1: I told him how I felt about it, and that
Speaker 1: was really it. It wasn't really Yeah, we'll see, that's bizarre.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a personal thing. We don't
Speaker 1: like niggas. Don't like niggas talking like that about their friends.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way about all my friends or even
Speaker 1: when Joe, you know, like that's my that's my nigga.
Speaker 1: So it's like when he did the battle, um, when
Speaker 1: when he did my battle, the shady battle, the shady
Speaker 1: battle with hollow the dun huh shop. I looked the
Speaker 1: world right and they face and Ebro asked me in
Speaker 1: front of the whole world, who just won that. I
Speaker 1: was like, ship Joe did. Now, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: you out of your mind. You I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what it wasn't it was. It wasn't a soul that
Speaker 1: could get me to say that my nigga just lost it.
Speaker 1: All that's because you were the lawyer said that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So it's like, pardon me for
Speaker 1: looking at it like that. It's just the type of
Speaker 1: person that I am. But don't mean I'm right. It
Speaker 1: just mean that's how I feel. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna sway my judgment from that, So right, I
Speaker 1: respect that man. That's grown man talk. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you know, as a journalist, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to look at and and um, you know,
Speaker 1: thinking what Joe but Come was coming from. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, and I respect to shut out of him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But sometimes it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, my opinion with my family is just gonna
Speaker 1: be my opinion with my family. And and that's just
Speaker 1: basically it, you know what I mean. I want to
Speaker 1: respect him. I understand what he does. I actually acknowledge
Speaker 1: what he does. And I actually think what he do
Speaker 1: is is dope and his world, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: He's on his world and when we get the same
Speaker 1: and but you know, when it comes to family, I
Speaker 1: would rather keep family business within family. Like there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of ship I can tell you about the
Speaker 1: poem right down. I'm gonna wait until next week. The
Speaker 1: first time I seen that's between me and then that's
Speaker 1: my brother. I love him, and that's that's it's gonna ride.
Speaker 1: And he canna tell you a bunch of ship about me,
Speaker 1: And that's great. The first time I saying Capone, you know,
Speaker 1: I never met him. I never met Capone. The first
Speaker 1: time I seen him was here in Miami, way back
Speaker 1: in the day when they used to rent the scooters
Speaker 1: when we came here. I've seen him, bro. He was
Speaker 1: wow wilding out on the police, wilding out on the police,
Speaker 1: and he got arrested. Goddamn it, that's like the middle
Speaker 1: then you can rest was he was wilding out on
Speaker 1: the pet arrested. And I'm gonna tell you something. The
Speaker 1: police are scared of ship. They're scared of ship. Remember
Speaker 1: that he was crazy. Remember that you here with me
Speaker 1: when that when Capone was down here wilder, They're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot you out here, right. That's let's sake some looise
Speaker 1: for those days when you could talk about I don't
Speaker 1: know that and be black. But nowadays, drosprepable is not
Speaker 1: happening that sweet Let's be quiet and know that's real, man,
Speaker 1: because Ferguson how you feel about things like that, man, U,
Speaker 1: you know, being a black man, like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: being honest with you. I said this on the podcast
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Um. One time I just left
Speaker 1: my house and I had it to the store. My
Speaker 1: wife was like, I'll drive You's like all right, cool.
Speaker 1: I jumped in the drain of my wife. My wife
Speaker 1: put on a hoodie, she had no makeup, and she
Speaker 1: sincerely just drove to the store on a hoodie. I
Speaker 1: can't do that as a black man. As a black man,
Speaker 1: if I get in a car, I got the Yeah. Like,
Speaker 1: I literally looked at my wife. I hated on my
Speaker 1: wife for twelve seconds. Yeah, I was like, I kind
Speaker 1: of hate you. You know, she's a Latina's you know,
Speaker 1: she's Cubans Puerto Rican and the cops don't people funk
Speaker 1: about her having a hoodie on, and that ship fucked
Speaker 1: me up. I mean, it's it's it's it's disheartening, man,
Speaker 1: it's disheartening. It's it's just and it's it's not just
Speaker 1: now happening, man. Like if you think back, if you
Speaker 1: think back then when Iced team made cop Killer, because
Speaker 1: these guys from these errors, man, they put their lives
Speaker 1: on the line, like Iced Tea took the cops to
Speaker 1: war for us so we can have more freedom in
Speaker 1: our speech. Yeah, so cop Killer, cop Killer came from
Speaker 1: cops killing black kids, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: this is something that always was going on. We just
Speaker 1: got the internet, so we were privy to the information
Speaker 1: faster and you can't that you can't sneak that ship
Speaker 1: past us. We see more of it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: happening more, but it's always fucking existing, bro always. My
Speaker 1: big brother, My big brother just got arrested. Um, he
Speaker 1: had a gun on him. He was at the liquor store.
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought of was like, shoot, that
Speaker 1: could have been way worse. He could have died because
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, they just they seen him
Speaker 1: walking to the door and they just ran down on him,
Speaker 1: grabbed him up. Said he looked like he had a
Speaker 1: pistol on him. Grab him up and he had a
Speaker 1: pistol on him. What if he to try to run?
Speaker 1: The shot him, you know what I mean? So it's
Speaker 1: God bless. Now, being from Michigan, I would like you
Speaker 1: to describe the Flint what a crisis and what because
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that this is still unresolved.
Speaker 1: It's still unresolved. A lot of people think this is
Speaker 1: actually like an Instagram thing. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: think this is real. A lot of people think that
Speaker 1: this is like color correction. This is um what's it
Speaker 1: called photo shop? Can you describe or what's what's going on?
Speaker 1: Off there to your nomics. You want me to describe it,
Speaker 1: like you want me to run down, like what's going
Speaker 1: on or what where they are with it? Is they're
Speaker 1: getting better? You know, it's not it's it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: not getting better. It's it's definitely a it's a corrupt
Speaker 1: it's a corruption situation. It's a political thing. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: of course, just like with anything else. And I don't
Speaker 1: really know what the funk we could do to rectify it.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people donated money. I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure where the money went, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where they are with fixing it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like the world is so fucked
Speaker 1: up and there's so much stuff happening. It's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to keep up with everything that's sucked up, you know,
Speaker 1: Like Detroit is just coming we're just coming back from bankruptcy. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a city. There's so much going on. There's so
Speaker 1: much going on in our story. But I remember I
Speaker 1: went to Detroit one night and I went to like
Speaker 1: a casino and it was lit. And then I drove
Speaker 1: off the casino for six blocks there was no lights.
Speaker 1: Six blocks straight. I was like, oh, I thought it
Speaker 1: was lined up. Ever, I was like, oh, they on it,
Speaker 1: get us like somebody's coming from somewhere and six and
Speaker 1: then and then it looked back up again, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is amazing. But no one never put
Speaker 1: that on the news back then. No one never, like,
Speaker 1: because they don't want to expose the whole They called
Speaker 1: motor City for a reason. The whole industry was destroyed
Speaker 1: in that area, and they don't want to put that
Speaker 1: on the news and destroys the old country. You know,
Speaker 1: we we own a resurgence right now. You know, usually
Speaker 1: when things get that bad, only good ship can happen
Speaker 1: after that. That's right. So that's right. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of we got a lot of artists doing their thing,
Speaker 1: a lot of artists deals, a lot of artists getting recognition.
Speaker 1: Big big up, big up, my brochean. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a lot the areas are improving, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's a good it's a
Speaker 1: good place to buy real estate. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just turning. It's turning back into that beautiful motown
Speaker 1: fielded it used to be. That's in our lineage. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I gotta come more questions before I go, because
Speaker 1: I'll take a bathroom break. I seemed to go a
Speaker 1: bathroom break. It's cheating, um, But this is one of
Speaker 1: the funniest questions I've been wanting to ask forever. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking status. I'm not talking money. Who's the
Speaker 1: most famous rapper in the world. I say Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: in the world, in the world. Now, I'm not talking Look,
Speaker 1: jay Z, PAULF and m they're all famous, and but
Speaker 1: that that's all. We're talking money. No, No, you just
Speaker 1: meaning this. You're man, who's the most famous rapper currently? Period?
Speaker 1: Because if you're talking fame, you gotta that's Snoop is
Speaker 1: the most every Snoop is one of Snoop is one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic. For sure. I'm I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like like like business wise. I'm saying you're saying recognizable.
Speaker 1: You're recognizable. It's gotta be Snoop man. Come on, Royce,
Speaker 1: go rode me, Royce, come on, Chris Eminem though you
Speaker 1: think about it, let me think about it. Bro I
Speaker 1: don't think about it. But now it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: not right now, right, I don't think right now now,
Speaker 1: right now, right now in general is now everybody is
Speaker 1: grandmother says something about Snoop doggy Dog's not generational. You
Speaker 1: just mean it's kind of his famous. Everyone knows what snoopid.
Speaker 1: You would be hard pressed if somebody didn't recognize Drake anywhere. No, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't agree. I don't know. I don't agree. He's
Speaker 1: still like ten years in the game, so you have
Speaker 1: to have ten years of listening to music. Snoop is yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, of course Stoopid is up there. But I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I say, Eminem Marshall, Marshall, Marshall King,
Speaker 1: but Kanye is still kind of his kind and definitely nothing.
Speaker 1: That's what. No one knows who the fund he is
Speaker 1: in Marshall Marshall can't even he can't even wear like
Speaker 1: a costume and not get recognized. I think all they
Speaker 1: have to see it's like his chain in his nose
Speaker 1: and they know. And I'm telling you from the country's
Speaker 1: I've been to. No but I think I think Snoop
Speaker 1: is a good choice. Though brout there listen his hands
Speaker 1: in is first off, he's probably one of the most
Speaker 1: famous people ever, right, I think he went diamond in Ireland.
Speaker 1: There was something crazy like what I'm saying is even
Speaker 1: him he has a particular crowd. Jay Z has a
Speaker 1: particular crowd. Snoop doesn't. He's like ungentrified. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the word. I'm pretty sure we know what
Speaker 1: you mean. Yeah, I still think it's I think Emmin
Speaker 1: and stop actually are I think is this is this
Speaker 1: just limited to two artists because we had this conversation
Speaker 1: partist hip hop, we had this conversation. We had this
Speaker 1: conversation about celebrities period. I want to see what you
Speaker 1: mean these people we were gonna get. That's I mean
Speaker 1: a little different though you're all ready for this Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: It's the most recognizable person, yes, okay, I agree in
Speaker 1: this motherfucker in years. Yes, there is no there is
Speaker 1: nobody that's more recognized. He's the most missed right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I still think Snoop is the most Listen his
Speaker 1: voice too, his voice too, Listen, Sloop. Everyone knows who
Speaker 1: we are. They're like they like even if your grandma's
Speaker 1: corner like Snoopy, Snoop like a cool like Jade, look
Speaker 1: at me jade pop, and they did the best financially,
Speaker 1: you know best financially, but they all got reach still
Speaker 1: level of finances and kind of fell back. Snoop just never.
Speaker 1: Snoop does all kinds of different genres of music and
Speaker 1: he got it. Just drive the gospel album he's killing.
Speaker 1: Just make noise for Snoop the week from Bill Red
Speaker 1: Sloop driving the Gospel out. Drenk Champs alumni, Drink Champs
Speaker 1: and alumni, thank you for being the part of Drink
Speaker 1: Champs early. But um, I just for me, for me personally,
Speaker 1: I think Snoop is the most famous. I think his
Speaker 1: neck and neck him and them. I think I think
Speaker 1: his neck and neck with him and Barack about rappers. Bro,
Speaker 1: you're going to a whole the world, all right, But
Speaker 1: I just say there, but he said, he said in general,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Snoop and Rock is neck and neck. They
Speaker 1: can both go to Hawaii and Snoop by your mom
Speaker 1: before Barack. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you be I've been with Snoop everywhere
Speaker 1: like I have to, but the only place they don't
Speaker 1: marvel was in l A. Because they're just like I
Speaker 1: think it was. Yeah is that listen listen the other day, right,
Speaker 1: it must be three hundred and sixteen pounds, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: So I used to place that I moved to a
Speaker 1: jogged every day six six like almost six years. I
Speaker 1: tried to just jogging, right And when I first moved there,
Speaker 1: all these guys they would love to see me. Yo,
Speaker 1: I just jogged in yesterday. The things is likely what
Speaker 1: was this? That? What is? But what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is they get tired of everybody. But what I'm
Speaker 1: trying and if you understand what I just said, they
Speaker 1: get used to you. They so I'm nothing to see
Speaker 1: these guys right now, I jogged birthday on you show.
Speaker 1: Once you show them you accessible, that's it it because
Speaker 1: maybe you become you become a person now you that
Speaker 1: hip hop? Yeah, of course you know a after they
Speaker 1: get like after they get used to you, they really
Speaker 1: just like you actually either have to have another hustle,
Speaker 1: another scheme, another oil. They don't they really don't funk
Speaker 1: with you. They like that with the verses, the songs.
Speaker 1: Even when I got a car, like the first car
Speaker 1: I bought, when I started making money again, it was
Speaker 1: like I was driving it and it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: they go Royce that car. Two weeks later it was like,
Speaker 1: I ain't nothing but a cart car, ain't I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: it's just like you put out a song, they loved
Speaker 1: the song, put you put it out again. It's kind
Speaker 1: of in the same chamber. Then it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: now what else can you do? But that ever bothered
Speaker 1: you about rap? When you where after they get used
Speaker 1: to you, you're not really as appreciated because even whole
Speaker 1: like hold four for fourth, it was as a dope album,
Speaker 1: but they gave one week go than a half a
Speaker 1: week or two. They moved on this. This is the
Speaker 1: generation we live and it's the disposable. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it exclusive to hip hop right now. I think
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, I'm just saying that. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: bother me at all, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: if anything, it gives you a better understanding of what
Speaker 1: you're dealing with, and you you know you can you
Speaker 1: learned man that it's not really it's much about you
Speaker 1: what you think it is as artists, it's more about
Speaker 1: the service you could provide. I would say, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know you know, I don't think what we're
Speaker 1: realizing that's happening right now. We could literally put out
Speaker 1: something wait a second, and put it out again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the crazy motherfucker's new. People will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a new ship that just came out. Now
Speaker 1: you're not gonna say it's news, but you can literally
Speaker 1: put it out again, and it's like it's new guys.
Speaker 1: Algorithms are changing and it's just hitting new people. And
Speaker 1: that's something that I think people aren't realizing that's happening
Speaker 1: right now. You don't know because we're not We're not
Speaker 1: the ones making the technology, because you know why, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what you mean, what what it means
Speaker 1: is like back in the days, we just thought the
Speaker 1: record and you would know within that first month or
Speaker 1: two if this record is reacted or not, and then
Speaker 1: you would move on. You would say I'm moving to
Speaker 1: the next single, or you say I'm gonna keep pushing
Speaker 1: this tell us all six of months later. But here's
Speaker 1: the crazy thing. We I just threw out the record,
Speaker 1: what for real? And I'm thinking, okay, it did fair
Speaker 1: then decent, you know, we gotta whatever, And the guys
Speaker 1: just like so I keep pushing to drop the video
Speaker 1: with me, and for which this is, this is, this
Speaker 1: is right now, this recond this is this is so
Speaker 1: I said, and the guys that said please, we don't
Speaker 1: actually want to drop the video. So I'm like, why,
Speaker 1: like because we have seven million streams on the actually
Speaker 1: record and once we dropped the video like the ship drop,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, the moment is not the
Speaker 1: error I come not know. I'm a dinosaurs saying, we
Speaker 1: got to realize this. I don't have a plaque. I'm
Speaker 1: middle rolled, I'm right in the middle of my rollout
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm learning new ship because you know,
Speaker 1: just introducing the whole streaming aspect into it, it just changes.
Speaker 1: It changes everything from what it used to be. When
Speaker 1: I first got to the bas we survived like three
Speaker 1: different three different So when they told me that, they're like,
Speaker 1: they're like because because I couldn't believe it, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, they weren't in the rush to come to
Speaker 1: put out the video I'm talking about we're like almost
Speaker 1: like six seven months away away, and they're like, he'll
Speaker 1: look glory through because in their minds they're like, fun,
Speaker 1: let's just keep getting the streams it pays other and
Speaker 1: I understand it, but I just don't understand it because
Speaker 1: how much I'm traditionally trained how the business ran. And
Speaker 1: I realized I was a dinosaur. I should the funk up.
Speaker 1: I shut the funk up. And I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: so now hold on, hold on, hold on, you keep
Speaker 1: it going. I see you take a piss. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna move Royce out to take a pisall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to forget. So scams down here, Scam, just
Speaker 1: just walk over at least over here. So this is
Speaker 1: my brother, Scam. You guys know each other. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me a little something about how you met scam? Scam?
Speaker 1: You gonna tell you? Tell us how you met each other.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. Oh you know what, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I do remember? Shaky Green Game? Was it
Speaker 1: game Records? Right when they was doing Bad Meat to EV?
Speaker 1: Weren't even talking about those projects too? Were those independent joints?
Speaker 1: Just Vinyl? Yeah, just find with but you had like
Speaker 1: singles with just saying just you by yourself? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well actually and this during the timing, boy, this is
Speaker 1: this is during my next deal, the Sony deal. Okay,
Speaker 1: so um yeah, one of the one of the one
Speaker 1: of the singles from off of there. What we would
Speaker 1: do was I did the album before I gave it
Speaker 1: to Sony and then Shaky Green from Gang Records. He
Speaker 1: had the rights to do the singles from off the album,
Speaker 1: so he had like this vinylity he would do where
Speaker 1: he would put like the half naked girls on the
Speaker 1: on the cover. I thought there was a point coming
Speaker 1: trade up like that. You know, they were actually porn
Speaker 1: stars on the cover. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: something sometimes it was on my cover. DJ. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: getting those those records. Yeah, that was that was that
Speaker 1: was the plan. That was amazing records. You doing CrossFit
Speaker 1: right now. I was trying to man, I was trying
Speaker 1: to up up. So um, you can't interrupt. I'm so sorry. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I will not CONTI he was finishing up. But we're
Speaker 1: bringing up out him and scamming to each other. So
Speaker 1: I remember, I mean, I'm seeing the past and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like Detroit, scam scared Miami, Carol City, Man,
Speaker 1: how did you meet? What type of listen documentary? But
Speaker 1: scam got a whole story with M and everything that
Speaker 1: goes on. So so all right, I mean me and him.
Speaker 1: He wasn't from New York, so he was just like
Speaker 1: none of us met M. Follows your lawyer, right yeah?
Speaker 1: He was like, uh yeah, all of that. He was
Speaker 1: the undergrounds lawyer, like all the underground dudes. Is he
Speaker 1: your lawyer too? Nah? He? Um, I met Paul through
Speaker 1: M two. He was he was a M's lawyer and um,
Speaker 1: M should started taking off. He he just start focusing
Speaker 1: on management full time. He actually worked at the firm.
Speaker 1: Um cutlers at him. Yeah, with DEO set up lawyer.
Speaker 1: Yeah no you know yeah, yeah, so THEO was my
Speaker 1: lawyer and he worked at the front. Paul worked at
Speaker 1: the firm. Yeah. Did you you got to meet though
Speaker 1: when you took him to the source, right, Na, Na,
Speaker 1: I'm Royce just came through. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you was you traveling with us when he
Speaker 1: was starting. Na. We we did a couple of stops
Speaker 1: when he before he got the deal, Like when he
Speaker 1: went to Swaye. I was with ya all that night.
Speaker 1: Y'all went up the stretching Bob. But they Paul kind
Speaker 1: of wanted it to be like just Detroit and the
Speaker 1: excluded Miami or he thought of he was New York Paul. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he just he was a yeah, they were pro Detroit.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, you can't even had them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But like he was saying,
Speaker 1: when you when you were younger, you like, what the
Speaker 1: fuss they got wrapped him? But you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: see what they was trying to do, you wrapped or
Speaker 1: he was just he had a song. That song that's
Speaker 1: I even got the underground ship that you do with scam.
Speaker 1: That understand he's talking about scam. Oh that's the all
Speaker 1: moment right there. And not to get too deep into it,
Speaker 1: but you too source right, Yeah, I mean Rige Morales
Speaker 1: unsigned hype that Riggs was in scam. Regor's was going on,
Speaker 1: you're not paying for bills no more. Let's card to
Speaker 1: be around. Come on, let's look my guy. Ain't Juli
Speaker 1: agree one? He was like, Yo, you want to you
Speaker 1: want to you know, rush on this before Stress magazine
Speaker 1: puts it out shout to Stress, you know what saying.
Speaker 1: Rigor was boom, you did it rand next month and
Speaker 1: then it was just like, but you took him over them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and took the stuff over there, took them to
Speaker 1: to get on side the hype. This is, this is
Speaker 1: very deep allegations. No, it's not allegations. This is this
Speaker 1: is my brother, so it's very deep. Paul was just
Speaker 1: passing the bar or I think he was just passing
Speaker 1: the bar rick Posada. He was the and R e lecturer.
Speaker 1: He hooked me up with him, and Paul didn't really
Speaker 1: know the underground like that. So you want smoke brouse,
Speaker 1: I think that's a silver Chad's the case. Man. You
Speaker 1: know this is you know this eminem Stands is like Barbies.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there. They were the first
Speaker 1: Barbies stands. You don't want the Stands in your comments
Speaker 1: right now. You better make sure everything you say is correct.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying. The bottom line,
Speaker 1: he didn't really know the underground, dude, so he gave
Speaker 1: it to me. You know what I'm saying. I heard it.
Speaker 1: And you know the Detroit Cats they say things kind
Speaker 1: of like Miami. They say Finnim get stuck stole. I
Speaker 1: never heard nobody that wasn't from Miami. To say any
Speaker 1: of that is true, Royce, you finna get stuff stolen
Speaker 1: and stuff because I just don't give a fuck, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can tell he was white, just like Front of Tonality.
Speaker 1: But I was like, Yo, it was dope, but this
Speaker 1: is you're hearing it from Paul showing it too. You yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, Yo, if it's dope, I get that.
Speaker 1: Everybody need to get to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Then he took it a stretch stretching Bob. So how
Speaker 1: did you already have these connects with Oh, that's just
Speaker 1: with my art, Like I was just in New York
Speaker 1: just because you know he did damn I had to
Speaker 1: tape and and then what stretching Bob making print calls?
Speaker 1: I actually had that tape. No, but you know, he
Speaker 1: did the artwork for be Trying in Life trip called
Speaker 1: Quest goddamn It. And he did the first album all
Speaker 1: the artwork inside goddamn It. So how did you go
Speaker 1: from doing underground work with scam Scam? How did you
Speaker 1: go from getting to do the to to doing the artwork.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. No, we was, We was hanging
Speaker 1: out and you said, fucking I'm not gonna be an artist.
Speaker 1: I could actually design. There was no separation between church
Speaker 1: and state. For me. That's I'm art for music. I'm
Speaker 1: all that ship and was a skater. He was he's
Speaker 1: a skater, Yeah, a skater. Skate No not, he just
Speaker 1: said he told me that about a little bit. Folasco man,
Speaker 1: a little bit Folasco. I never I don't live in Fiansco.
Speaker 1: He's that one Flasco A little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I tell you one thing, me
Speaker 1: and him and him was in Tom Squares arguing about
Speaker 1: whether jay Z was doping not so. At the time
Speaker 1: of jay z Oh Ship, this was like very important
Speaker 1: when he was still running college radio before like like
Speaker 1: like well like all the underground stations they used to
Speaker 1: play I understand what you're saying. I forgot dead President
Speaker 1: Death President like a little after that. But they was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know whatever, But he checked me,
Speaker 1: and he's checked you both of that, mainly him. He
Speaker 1: was just like, yo, I see it in his face.
Speaker 1: He checked you. Definitely checked. He was like, but what
Speaker 1: what what do you know? What? What songs you know?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't need to know anything.
Speaker 1: I know the singles, You're like, you don't need to
Speaker 1: listen to it. So after that, I made it a
Speaker 1: point to always listen to some ship before I talk
Speaker 1: about it. You know what I'm saying. It was from
Speaker 1: from that and that That's just always been my philosophy
Speaker 1: ever since that. A lot of times I had to
Speaker 1: come back and be like, oh, I see what they
Speaker 1: were talking about. You know what I'm saying. Reasonable, that
Speaker 1: was like a bible. Man, It's like a bible. I
Speaker 1: fought for that album all barbershops. But boy said, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get back to the most genuine hip hop question
Speaker 1: ever in hip hop because you said earlier, dodge the question,
Speaker 1: Okay has down if you had to pick one unequivarate, Really,
Speaker 1: it's not because it's your man. Is did not because
Speaker 1: the guy you grew up with it for the sake
Speaker 1: of hip hop. If you had to save hip hop,
Speaker 1: he had to say who had the better verse? Oh
Speaker 1: I dodged the question. Yeah, he didn't want to renegade
Speaker 1: Joy because I got want more for him too. Because
Speaker 1: I just want you to I want you to answer
Speaker 1: it again. I want you to reiterate, Okay, you want
Speaker 1: to go down that your hit past that away renegade
Speaker 1: M one renegade like I I like him verse, I
Speaker 1: like MS versus better right, because how he was rapping
Speaker 1: on it is what I just prefer. Okay, but it's
Speaker 1: you can't really say it's better than holes verse because
Speaker 1: a lot of hood people relate to holes first. More
Speaker 1: because what m was saying was super lyrical that it
Speaker 1: kind of went over a lot of people's hat. Okay,
Speaker 1: what was the better disrecord, nas etha or whole takeover comes?
Speaker 1: That's a loaded question, BROO, don't know what that means?
Speaker 1: Can I D I don't know. You better ask it
Speaker 1: right because I'm from queen what Okay, relationship with Chance
Speaker 1: I love that was? That was that bias? That was
Speaker 1: Let let me tell you something. And I had the
Speaker 1: longest argument in the studio with Jlek about this ship
Speaker 1: your jail electronic. Let me just tell you something. And
Speaker 1: when you love you, you are new rock him, You
Speaker 1: are new nas Why are you dodging a dipping needs
Speaker 1: to take place and put your crown on. We don't
Speaker 1: understand that, We don't know that, but we want to
Speaker 1: encourage you wherever you at to put your motherfucking crown
Speaker 1: on and take fucking hip hop the way you're supposed
Speaker 1: to take hip hop. Motherfucker, it's yours. Make some noise
Speaker 1: for that, and that's a great brother talk right there.
Speaker 1: I apausized, scared. No, it's all good. I agree. I'm
Speaker 1: listening either one right one w O na ye like
Speaker 1: like as in past are Ether one in the battle
Speaker 1: that was the napalm bomb, So that song has to
Speaker 1: get this respect as the best. Wait, I feel like
Speaker 1: you're sending this up for the wrong way, and it's
Speaker 1: very political way. He's sober, continue and we're talking about
Speaker 1: the best record ether one right take over. If we
Speaker 1: just analyzing songs, it had way more lines this we
Speaker 1: would disagree. I just really it's a great record. Though
Speaker 1: a great record, NAS had better execution and better timing,
Speaker 1: and that those are two Those are two elements in
Speaker 1: battles that are so important that people overlook. You mean,
Speaker 1: you can why super Ugly wasn't taking because it wasn't
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to say that at that time. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's why I would murder move battle somebody. He wins
Speaker 1: sometimes and it's not because he's being more lyrical is
Speaker 1: because he's saying the right ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It ain't always about being has something to do with it,
Speaker 1: always about being the better MC. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't like the Ether beat a lot of people, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think the way that they positive like they
Speaker 1: did all the right. I like it because because of
Speaker 1: what Nas did to it. I like because Nas did
Speaker 1: to it, and I like it because he also made
Speaker 1: jokes about it, because battling should be that serious. When
Speaker 1: he called him j J Evans, you called you that
Speaker 1: ship was sold, took it back. It was it was
Speaker 1: snapping on on and at Homes took it so serious.
Speaker 1: And I, hands down think Ether is better than UH
Speaker 1: take Over. And I think it's better than Super Army.
Speaker 1: And I love jay Z, I love Rockefeller. They've been
Speaker 1: cutting me checks for over twenty years. I don't want
Speaker 1: to stop our relationship at all. Yeah, but I also
Speaker 1: have to be truthful, and I think that they respect
Speaker 1: my truthfulness. Ether was more effective. It was more effective,
Speaker 1: and because it is, and if you don't remember, I
Speaker 1: see a lot of people wasn't really around that day
Speaker 1: those days, but Nas was receiving blows from every single
Speaker 1: plus you get. You can't that NAS was the underdog
Speaker 1: at that point as well. I can't say the other dog.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that game at that point. But let
Speaker 1: me finish. I gotta say that when to your acknowledgement,
Speaker 1: he was the other dog because Jay was right there
Speaker 1: trying to beat it, trying to be right above him
Speaker 1: at the left was now he was not at that
Speaker 1: He tried to tell you something, it's all hip hop
Speaker 1: and pinion. This is not at that point in time.
Speaker 1: At that point in time, I was on Columbia with Nas,
Speaker 1: people were treating. When his name came up, it was
Speaker 1: coming up in the context of like he finished. So
Speaker 1: then that's what I'm saying. He was was like running ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's jay Z was running ship. So it was like,
Speaker 1: that's the reason why he took the shot of the
Speaker 1: par take over. He was coming when he was coming,
Speaker 1: and he felt that too. When he was coming at night,
Speaker 1: he was everybody was like, Nas just finished, got hold
Speaker 1: of coming at him, hold his bulletproof at that time.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that the press. The part that
Speaker 1: you forget is that when when Takeover came out, Nas
Speaker 1: waiting like two or three months and people were dissing
Speaker 1: him for it, and back then you were supposed to
Speaker 1: respond immediately, just like how this right now, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna respond that he did. It was
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be effective because it took Listen
Speaker 1: to me, now, I sat back and kill and then
Speaker 1: when the finally came out, it did, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was the exact thing like when I seen Meek
Speaker 1: and Drake battling and I heard um Rick Ross say
Speaker 1: to me, yo, you don't have to respond immediately, wait
Speaker 1: and take your time, and me still did what he did.
Speaker 1: I reminisced of that very moment of nas just sitting
Speaker 1: back and just he just not saying nothing, and he
Speaker 1: waited and he like I heard the original ether case
Speaker 1: you not. I said this on the podcast that one
Speaker 1: he um I feel like he went to personally, that
Speaker 1: was the angry version right about this. He heard about this.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. It was good, but it was angry.
Speaker 1: So you can't really appreciate a lyricist being angry, Like
Speaker 1: a lyricist should never be angry. A lyricist knows that
Speaker 1: you at it. That's why your flex rest out. You're
Speaker 1: sitting there and you're going like this and you're laughing
Speaker 1: and between them balls. It's like when I'm watching I
Speaker 1: like when I'm watching battles and the battle that could
Speaker 1: provide like the comedy exactly be conversational. Takeover. Takeover was
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. It was like a
Speaker 1: flow now. It was just all in different pockets conversation
Speaker 1: on either you know what I'm saying, Like your argument
Speaker 1: four Ether or four Takeover, I think either was. Ether
Speaker 1: was more effective. Takeover. It was more like a record.
Speaker 1: When you say it's a great record, it's it's just
Speaker 1: the truth. It's a great record. It is a takeover.
Speaker 1: Takeover is going Takeover as a part of a classic album. Bro,
Speaker 1: that's a classic song. That ship is going down to
Speaker 1: history forever. But you gotta pick one. You gotta pick
Speaker 1: one now. I just told you Ether is more effective.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If I'm putting on, if
Speaker 1: I'm putting on, if I'm putting on one or the
Speaker 1: other in my car, I'm probably gonna play Ether more
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm listening to the Blueprint, might not
Speaker 1: skip go straight to take Over. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like, that's a whole classic album. So I pick
Speaker 1: I picked either. Yeah, I would pick Ether too. It
Speaker 1: just makes some voice to pick a Hope was my
Speaker 1: man as well. And I tried to do this. No, no,
Speaker 1: this is hip hop. Can you put that back into
Speaker 1: their police I definitely want to come on. This is
Speaker 1: pure hip hop fans ship, and this is pure hip
Speaker 1: hop discussion ship like a lot of us. Like, the
Speaker 1: craziest thing is everyone is mad at me because I
Speaker 1: don't say that embody j on Reddy Game. He didn't
Speaker 1: body him don't body and didn't say it again. People
Speaker 1: feel like I should admit that Jay got bodied. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that because and I just know that
Speaker 1: if I was to say, yo, I related to Jay
Speaker 1: Z's verse a little bit more than him, it's because
Speaker 1: I would get a lot of hate, right. And the
Speaker 1: thing about it is I was against the wall awkward lefty,
Speaker 1: you know, the ship that he was saying, the ship
Speaker 1: that m was saying. I knew it was lyrical ship,
Speaker 1: but I actually didn't live that me personally, I didn't
Speaker 1: live you know, I didn't live what he was saying. Well,
Speaker 1: when Jay said I boxed the wall boxing lefty. But
Speaker 1: I realized if I was to ever say that publicly,
Speaker 1: I seemed like a jay Z writer as opposed to
Speaker 1: and my fucking five fox with him and them, I
Speaker 1: know his ship just as good as him. But this record,
Speaker 1: I feel like, this is what I say, and it
Speaker 1: makes me seem like a foul not a foul dude.
Speaker 1: It makes me seem like I don't want to keep it.
Speaker 1: Real is, when I look at a masterpiece record, I
Speaker 1: don't care a butt who has the better verse? Yeah
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. You shouldn't. It's a masterpiece record. So people
Speaker 1: ask me every day who had the better verse or
Speaker 1: bad from TV? And you know what I really say,
Speaker 1: in my heart, bad from TV the best verse. It's
Speaker 1: because if you're taking one of them out and you
Speaker 1: say one of them is more important than that, that
Speaker 1: record is. It's not a class no more. If you
Speaker 1: ask the best of who shot your with the firm
Speaker 1: all these classic records with you know, Symphony and all
Speaker 1: these classic records. Anyway, let me not get into it.
Speaker 1: And you say who you's got the best verse? You
Speaker 1: actually take away from the actual record. It's just fun
Speaker 1: to do as a fan, you know, trying to get it.
Speaker 1: These monsters on the same song. It's like, that's what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. You your favorite, but maybe what you're
Speaker 1: saying is like the best or whatever. It's like it's
Speaker 1: all subjected at the end of day. I get it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you actually take
Speaker 1: away from the actually record when you're not saying because
Speaker 1: if you say alright, cool, you take that record away,
Speaker 1: it's that record and not still a classicsoutely you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's the thing is I started
Speaker 1: to realize that. I started to realize I was always
Speaker 1: a fan until I became a fan artist, because as
Speaker 1: an artist, I still was a fan. I still like
Speaker 1: to listen to this ship. I don't give a funk.
Speaker 1: If I was platinum and you were fucking you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know you sold three records. If I was in
Speaker 1: your ship, I'm gonna dig get ship. That's just who
Speaker 1: I am, you know what I'm saying. So I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know, man. I went in a little crissy a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, this is the first time I had
Speaker 1: green cups. This is the same Patrick Sting. So now, Pride,
Speaker 1: how the fund did you and the cream even initially
Speaker 1: DJ motherfucking Familiar, DJ motherfucking Man. So now how do
Speaker 1: you I mean we um ever since we did like
Speaker 1: the first Ship, when we did Boom way back in
Speaker 1: the day, it was like people was kind of like
Speaker 1: a classic record brother, thank you man. People kind of
Speaker 1: like you hold on, I gotta ask you Orice. That
Speaker 1: was on your album Boom, Yeah, that was your beat, bro,
Speaker 1: where this is freestyle? Boom was your beat? Damn, Bro,
Speaker 1: he don't even know what I'm saying. When I when
Speaker 1: I got to the studio when Prime, when me and
Speaker 1: Prim was working, He's supposed to work. He was making
Speaker 1: the Boom beat for seeing that. Damn know this star continue.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know we were going there now it hurts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I get to the studio and he's making the beat.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, I'm happy. I'm like this is
Speaker 1: the beat. I'm I'm thinking the lines. I'm right, I'm
Speaker 1: jumping down. He was like, no, I'm making this for Funority,
Speaker 1: Nori and component them, And I'm like, I'm looking around,
Speaker 1: like Ship that's used to be a DA was looking
Speaker 1: around like where they at? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You're just so you know, please remember exactly where you
Speaker 1: was at. You know, I hate it Premier the first
Speaker 1: time I worked because we paid him off front. We
Speaker 1: was just so much fans. They were like, yo, he
Speaker 1: wants his money up front. He was like Garret. And
Speaker 1: then he just wouldn't just see us every day. He
Speaker 1: would be like, y'all working on a beat for you.
Speaker 1: And this is back in the days where you can't
Speaker 1: tweet it, you can working for you. I thought he
Speaker 1: was getting me, my dude, but I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. You know, this is this is what they know. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is what they knowing the I'm like, oh, he
Speaker 1: might be getting me. And he would call me, like
Speaker 1: I'll call you on on on Tuesday, He'll call me
Speaker 1: on Thursday. It just didn't seem right. So I actually
Speaker 1: came to the studio. Sorry please right now. Actually came
Speaker 1: to the studio. And this, this is what hurt my
Speaker 1: feelings even more, was I walked in the studio. He
Speaker 1: was like, and he's playing He's not playing, He's not
Speaker 1: he's not playing ship off for this, He's actually making
Speaker 1: it live and he's like this, And I went like this,
Speaker 1: And then when I sat down, I didn't beat. Then
Speaker 1: they said, and he rates the beating. I want you know,
Speaker 1: because the thing about me is if I'm not bopping
Speaker 1: this because I'm writing like I'm righting in my head.
Speaker 1: But don't get me wrong, I'm not a full potential
Speaker 1: bar right in the head. So I get six in
Speaker 1: my head. I go like this, but I might get
Speaker 1: quiet on you. I might get quiet maybe like right.
Speaker 1: And then they looked at me and he said, and
Speaker 1: he got my full check, so I'm like, y'all hold up.
Speaker 1: And then he played in another one, and then the
Speaker 1: poem did the same as he erased that one too,
Speaker 1: and then it was the third one that he was
Speaker 1: like boom. He was like, yeah, I like this, and
Speaker 1: it was like yo, boom. And this was by this time,
Speaker 1: it's four o'clock in the morning. We're all beat. It's
Speaker 1: like your tomorrow morning, you're coming here and we'll happen.
Speaker 1: And then that's tomorrow morning. He came in and that's
Speaker 1: what he put in all the scratches, which this is
Speaker 1: the invincible, but but that that that that was the
Speaker 1: first he had droned, be ready for y'all listen. I
Speaker 1: was probably you know listen, you know Listen, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that you told me this because listen previous my brother. Right,
Speaker 1: but that first week of our relationship, I thought he
Speaker 1: really tried to be like I thought he really bullshitted
Speaker 1: me because like we were going and he was just like,
Speaker 1: it's not the night. And then I would see Biggie
Speaker 1: and Junior Mafia and I'm like, I sure, it's not tonight, nigger.
Speaker 1: You know this is this is big becoming big, and
Speaker 1: then Jay but I'm continued, so you are Ceah. I
Speaker 1: mean that that was basically if I went in there,
Speaker 1: he said he was making a beat for y'all. So
Speaker 1: I had just put I put a prime together. Just
Speaker 1: give me that props, the rules, the rule, you know,
Speaker 1: we put them together ahead. I'm sorry, I'm I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: right yeah, I mean that's the that's that's the day
Speaker 1: that we did Boom, and that was like one of
Speaker 1: the first things we did together. So it just so
Speaker 1: happened like after I when I kept doing albums, you know,
Speaker 1: we kept in touch and we got cool. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I didn't expect for us to
Speaker 1: get cool. So we had like a lasting relationship from
Speaker 1: whatever that was nine whatever it was all the way
Speaker 1: up until now so and Premiers a realized dude, Like
Speaker 1: once you have a relationship with him, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we got to point where were just friends, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like he executive produced one of
Speaker 1: my albums before a car Streethart. So we worked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we worked pretty much in every capacity. You know, he
Speaker 1: did ship a slaughter House, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was like, this is like the obvious next
Speaker 1: step for me and him if we were gonna take
Speaker 1: you know, take the creativity any further. So, um, my man,
Speaker 1: Mike Haran had an idea yeah, yeah, yeah, So he
Speaker 1: had an idea to to take for somebody who was
Speaker 1: like a master a chopping shopping samples, having them pull
Speaker 1: music from one source and making an album like that.
Speaker 1: So the idea was initially for slaughter House because Mike
Speaker 1: is an r over there shady, So that was the idea.
Speaker 1: We're gonna use Adrian Young. This is a whole It
Speaker 1: just came out of nowhere and use Adrian Young, and
Speaker 1: he was like popping. Remember when Timberland did Adrian Young
Speaker 1: sample being it was a magnet Carter. So, um, it
Speaker 1: was like all right, cool, so we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I thought the idea was crazy. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great idea, so we bought it the slaughter house.
Speaker 1: They wasn't really super excited about it, but you could
Speaker 1: tell they was willing to work and do it. We
Speaker 1: all got on the call with Adrian and Ship. Adrian
Speaker 1: sent a couple of ideas. I rapped right on the
Speaker 1: ship sent it out to them, and they didn't move.
Speaker 1: When Crookett don't move immediately on something because he threw
Speaker 1: verses like that, you know what I'm saying. So if
Speaker 1: he ain't sent in the verse immediately, I know, okay,
Speaker 1: they're probably not that crazy about the idea. And how
Speaker 1: I work with slaughter houses this, if everybody is crazy
Speaker 1: about the idea, whatever were about to do is gonna
Speaker 1: be classic. If everybody just showing up to work, you
Speaker 1: never know how it's gonna turn out. So I just
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't want to ruin the idea. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to twist their arms and kind of like
Speaker 1: forced him to do some ship that they wouldn't really
Speaker 1: that into. Because I got I'm the dude in the group.
Speaker 1: We got the relationship with everybody. I can talk everybody
Speaker 1: in the group into doing whatever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to put them in that position.
Speaker 1: So I took the idea to print what do you
Speaker 1: think about doing it? Because he was already open to
Speaker 1: do it for Slaughterhouse? What do you think about just
Speaker 1: me and you doing it? And he was like all right.
Speaker 1: So we started out just as idea as an EP
Speaker 1: and then we recorded like four songs and Keno was like, man,
Speaker 1: we we need more. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: was like, we need more. So I talked preim and
Speaker 1: doing a few more, and then eventually I got on
Speaker 1: the phone with him and was like, what if we
Speaker 1: just called ourselves something else besides just stej a Premier
Speaker 1: Royce to five nine. So that's when I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't we call ourselves Prim's make the PRR capital
Speaker 1: for Premium Royce and then prime you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that. He was just like all right, cool, and
Speaker 1: then from there were just a group okay, But then
Speaker 1: what happens this guys come out with Part one. People
Speaker 1: hear it, well, hip hops this understand what's going on
Speaker 1: a lot of people slept on it. But then you
Speaker 1: go upstairs the Master Flex Hot nineties seven and you
Speaker 1: but you're doing it's such a comfortable level. It's like
Speaker 1: I could look at it and say, that's a real m. See,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would be like he she
Speaker 1: went this little thing. She was just like, you're looking
Speaker 1: at you just the way you You were just telling
Speaker 1: like you used to this, like this is what I do.
Speaker 1: But and it made me actually like, look at how
Speaker 1: many people started to respect you from that moment, as
Speaker 1: if you ain't been doing this for years. But there
Speaker 1: was so many people like y'all did you shep rice then?
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, damn, but how did you feel
Speaker 1: at that moment? Like I knew I wanted to do
Speaker 1: my best, you know what I'm saying, Like, and I
Speaker 1: got into it. I got to a point in my career, man,
Speaker 1: where I just start telling myself and like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to really do nothing else if I can't make
Speaker 1: an impact when I do it. So basically what I'm
Speaker 1: telling myself is do your best with no matter what
Speaker 1: you do, just put your best foot forward. So when
Speaker 1: Flex hit me about coming up there, which everybody had
Speaker 1: pretty much been spamming, I'm saying Yo, you need to
Speaker 1: get Royce up there. After Tarik did what he did,
Speaker 1: after Black Thought did what he did up it was like,
Speaker 1: it's not really too many other mcs you can call
Speaker 1: to go up there and do something even remotely close
Speaker 1: to the magnitude of what that man did. So he
Speaker 1: was just hitting me like, Yo, you know it's time.
Speaker 1: You know it's time. And I just kept telling him like, look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up there when the time is right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm still working on
Speaker 1: an album, working on like a bunch of different things
Speaker 1: at the same time. I promise you, bro, as soon
Speaker 1: as I'm ready for rollout, I'm coming to see you,
Speaker 1: I promise you. And then, you know, when when I
Speaker 1: finally got done with the albums and I had a
Speaker 1: little bit of breathing room and I had some time
Speaker 1: to like memorize a few things, I was like, fucking
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do it. What was it like ten
Speaker 1: minutes something like that. But mind you, the first time
Speaker 1: was successful. It was a successful yea, independent It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like like the thing about it was the
Speaker 1: second if I felt like this is me personally just
Speaker 1: looking from the outside, there was I felt like from
Speaker 1: that freestyle on like it was like the industry went
Speaker 1: back and like rediscovered there that particularly discovery discography. It
Speaker 1: was like you know what, and then now brob Want
Speaker 1: is a classic. And now I'm just saying that this
Speaker 1: is just the way these fans are they from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we you know, we're speaking, we speaking. We're speaking
Speaker 1: to a whole different demographic of people, like different, they're different.
Speaker 1: Now you're speaking to people that want beats and rhymes,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately those people are not at the forefront. The forefront.
Speaker 1: People want to do the name they yeah, they want
Speaker 1: to just say they want to do was that dance?
Speaker 1: What was that? I wasn't listening to this Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I was. I can't do this, ship man, whatever
Speaker 1: you do, I can't do it. I'm I was up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's a different generation, man, this is
Speaker 1: a different generation. But um, what did you love? All right? Um?
Speaker 1: What do you love about the new generation? Like I
Speaker 1: heard you big up Big Sean. I like that, you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know you're being the older G from Detroit at
Speaker 1: him being a younger G from Detroit, And I love
Speaker 1: with Big Sean is doing. Me and him had a
Speaker 1: little crazy ship. But if you know, I'm done, We're done.
Speaker 1: We saw each other. But um, but I like the
Speaker 1: fact that you co signed your younger generation. Why isn't
Speaker 1: that more of that happening in the hip hop where
Speaker 1: people just see their their younger geez and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm a I'm a big big that up
Speaker 1: me personally, man, I learned. I learned how important it
Speaker 1: is so um to get support from your peers, you know,
Speaker 1: like this, the few the few people that supported me
Speaker 1: when I was young, like the way it affected me.
Speaker 1: It spoke abundantly to me, Like Bumby did that. He
Speaker 1: called me out of nowhere. I never met him before.
Speaker 1: I just I was it was way back in the day.
Speaker 1: I was like releasing freestyles and ship online and it
Speaker 1: was kind of like tearing it up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And he called me Mr Porter hit me
Speaker 1: was like, yo, Bumby is looking for you. So I'm like, oh, ship.
Speaker 1: So I get on the phone with Bunn and Bun
Speaker 1: is basically like, look, I don't want nothing. I'll just
Speaker 1: call him to let you know that you're doing good
Speaker 1: out there. So whatever you're doing Just keep doing that
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be all right right there, he said.
Speaker 1: He said, if you ever need anything for me, this
Speaker 1: is my number. And I just want you to know
Speaker 1: that I support you and I want you to keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And that ship, like y'all took
Speaker 1: a page from his book and was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is how I want to be. So when I started
Speaker 1: getting a little bit up there in age and the
Speaker 1: younger artists, I wanted to be viewed by them as
Speaker 1: that I don't want to be. This just looked at
Speaker 1: is this old bider guy who got a problem with
Speaker 1: not being able to have alarm light all the time.
Speaker 1: You can't. I can't let go of what he used
Speaker 1: to be or what he his capabilities could have been.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm really happy with
Speaker 1: my journey and I want to I wanna I want to.
Speaker 1: I want the way that I moved and my energy
Speaker 1: to reflect that ship. You know what I'm saying. When
Speaker 1: I was when I was talking a bun, I felt
Speaker 1: like I was talking to a nigger who was comfortable
Speaker 1: in his skin. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's
Speaker 1: what success is to me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's why he shows big. That's one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like Detroit is we always lack unity,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So everything that happened, yeah,
Speaker 1: every everything that happened with me and detwelve and ship
Speaker 1: like that, and how it affected me and M's personal
Speaker 1: relationship and how it affected our success and the way
Speaker 1: we reviewed. Feel like every generation that came after us
Speaker 1: needs to look at us, what came out of it,
Speaker 1: Look at us. What can you learn from it? How
Speaker 1: can we make the city better, How can we do
Speaker 1: better as a city, And how can you do better
Speaker 1: as an artist? When your city is in the know
Speaker 1: as well? Like in the city, when your city knows
Speaker 1: how to do better, you'll do better, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So we got to support each other, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's just part of it.
Speaker 1: And even you look at like the way Miami, you know,
Speaker 1: when Miami came together and they you know, Calid had
Speaker 1: everybody on records at the same time, and he was
Speaker 1: pushing unity and ship like that, and how much it
Speaker 1: helped the culture, how much it helped Miami is a
Speaker 1: city and little she from from Detroit So what happened
Speaker 1: because recently I've seen that the city of Detroit gave
Speaker 1: Cardi B. Yeah, the Detroit Citizen of the Year water,
Speaker 1: So what was it? It gave her Citizen of the
Speaker 1: year like that they gave her. I'm one point one point.
Speaker 1: They gave her what on my point? Where talking about
Speaker 1: look at this, let me look at little I can't
Speaker 1: remember the name of the world. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like it was like the Detroit. It was a
Speaker 1: Detroit a war. Like if you ain't from Detroit, you
Speaker 1: you ain't. You shouldn't witness spirited Detroit. Spirited Detroit. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking that's that's damn the same thing. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: be from the mode motherfucking city, but she's not. And
Speaker 1: I love Let me just go this out there. I
Speaker 1: love Cardi being Cardi B. As my sister graduates album.
Speaker 1: Were looking at Cardi bees first time she was ever
Speaker 1: on screen. You can look at the Towel Down video
Speaker 1: if you want to revote TV. Right now, we will
Speaker 1: be playing a clip of the Towel Down video featuring
Speaker 1: Normy feature in French Montana when push your Tea and
Speaker 1: two chains and Cardi B is actually in my video
Speaker 1: the first time you ever see it. So I love
Speaker 1: the ship out of So this is this is not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But Cardi B did get the actual
Speaker 1: spirit of Spirit of Detroit Awards. And what happened was
Speaker 1: the city of Detroit ropted. They really didn't like that.
Speaker 1: And as much of a support I am a Cardi
Speaker 1: Bill as much I love it, I felt like just
Speaker 1: the Detroit I did understood it because Detroit. Let's just
Speaker 1: be clear, it should have went to a person from Detroit.
Speaker 1: If it's a Detroit spirit, Yes, it's the mind frame.
Speaker 1: It's the mind frame of the people in Detroit, like
Speaker 1: some of the people in Detroit. That has to change
Speaker 1: before we could like really get to where we need
Speaker 1: to be as a city. Not individually. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna always achieve whatever I'm gonna achieve his Roice, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But just us as a city,
Speaker 1: you know, we got the whole Detroit versus Everybody movement.
Speaker 1: And like I was saying on that clip that I
Speaker 1: put on my Instagram, until everybody is in the right
Speaker 1: mind frame, those are just letters on the on the shirt.
Speaker 1: It don't really mean nothing. If we're not kind of
Speaker 1: like standing by, like if you if you want to
Speaker 1: just look at it for what it is. None of
Speaker 1: these awards really mean anything, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: So it's like you're giving it the CARDI b. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's people in Detroit whom are deserving of it,
Speaker 1: and they can somehow help boost their confidence into doing
Speaker 1: something else. The whole city. It's the perfect word. The morale.
Speaker 1: The morale is low in Detroit. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: we're missing. So little things like that, looking out for
Speaker 1: our own first like other cities do, looking out for
Speaker 1: our own first, will help boost the morale and out
Speaker 1: of help get us what we need to see. I
Speaker 1: understood why they gave it a ward, because what they're
Speaker 1: trying to say it's just coming from nothing and making
Speaker 1: something out of it. But I also understood you guys
Speaker 1: stance when he was like yo, you know, because you guys,
Speaker 1: these guys, but they were just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: dis awards should have stayed in Detroit to Troit. That's
Speaker 1: the award is own let her own city. Sheree deserves
Speaker 1: to be the spirit of New York. Let her get
Speaker 1: let me. That's what I'm saying, Like it's the title.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make really sense. Now, worts what kind of
Speaker 1: watches that? Okay, I thought that was a blow because
Speaker 1: because that's a Gucci jacket. That's correct. You guys are
Speaker 1: talking man rich world coming, very rich, come all right,
Speaker 1: very rich over. Thank you. Yeah, man, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: You got the post. He was like the first nigga
Speaker 1: that had the Panamera. I'm gonna be honest. No, I
Speaker 1: was the first nigga with to CE seven vet see um.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. Corvette Corvette, Corvette
Speaker 1: see seven when they first changed the body type. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I got mine, and you know every that's a
Speaker 1: white boy call just throwing it out. Not Detroit, No,
Speaker 1: not from New Yorker, I don't care. So all right, cool,
Speaker 1: So because I'm from Detroit, this is one time we're
Speaker 1: being from Detroit. Worked in my favorite one time. So
Speaker 1: since we don't have a lot of celebrities in Detroit,
Speaker 1: we got this list that you can get on. So
Speaker 1: just dude to on this Ferrari dealership who I'm cool with.
Speaker 1: He got me on this list where he was like,
Speaker 1: if you was on this list and Callie, you would
Speaker 1: be on the list with like Robert de Niro and
Speaker 1: names like that. So I got like the fifth Corvette
Speaker 1: off the assembly line, so I was like the first.
Speaker 1: I was. I had it before anybody could even lease it.
Speaker 1: I was the first one. Just like how you say
Speaker 1: with these glasses. I was driving it because I had
Speaker 1: rigs on it before anybody even seen it. So I
Speaker 1: was I was driving that. People thought it was a
Speaker 1: Ferrari that was putting up next to me, like Yo,
Speaker 1: what the fund is that? It's a Corvette. It's called
Speaker 1: a C seven. So I just think everybody should know
Speaker 1: that I was the first. You killed it. I'm going
Speaker 1: on my car deal on top and we're like, yo,
Speaker 1: what the fun is going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah makes
Speaker 1: a soil roye. Yes, sir. Hip hop it started out
Speaker 1: in the park. M hm. You've seen every fucking shape
Speaker 1: of hip hop. You've seen it. You see from where
Speaker 1: it is now, you see from where it's going. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite part of hip hop? My favorite part of it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anything, you mean, when you break down
Speaker 1: like rapping, graffiti, break dance and ship like that, it
Speaker 1: don't even it don't even matter. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think bars is always gonna be my favorite no
Speaker 1: matter no matter what my ages, I never grow out
Speaker 1: of dope. Bars bars are like that's that's like my
Speaker 1: favorite component. That's why you know, like to me, bars
Speaker 1: is like technique. It's what you're saying, but it's also
Speaker 1: the technique is to flow. That's why I prefer M's
Speaker 1: renegade versus over holes. I relate to homes more you
Speaker 1: just him a technical standpoint. I prefer M because how
Speaker 1: I fell in love with hip hop, you know, like
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the cadences and the technique
Speaker 1: somebody coming with a new voice, Like when Snoop came
Speaker 1: out with that fucking voice doggy style, I mean, should
Speaker 1: he change that change? Yeah? He was like we all
Speaker 1: like it was something brand Yeah. So that's my favorite
Speaker 1: aspect of it, you know, like something new with styles Drake.
Speaker 1: Drake is real dope with that man like coming with
Speaker 1: like new flows and ship I think gets you kind
Speaker 1: of back excited about Dan. But I'm not standing up
Speaker 1: the stage. He's he's something else beyond an MC after that,
Speaker 1: Like he's he definitely could spit and he can make
Speaker 1: songs altogether. What I'm saying, so word the greatest Box
Speaker 1: up all times. I'm gonna go with Sugar Ray Robinson
Speaker 1: without even thinking Sugar Ray Robinson killed a man in
Speaker 1: the ring. Who you got he killed somebody in the ring? Yeah. See.
Speaker 1: And I'm disagreeing with you, not because I think you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm disagreeing with you because I just want to base
Speaker 1: the greatest box of all time for all the fights
Speaker 1: that I've seen in my own eyes. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is the reason why I don't pick Ali. I picked
Speaker 1: Floyd Maywell. That's the greatest of all time in my opinion, Okay,
Speaker 1: because I've seen all his fights, like all the Allies fights,
Speaker 1: I probably seen them. But if I wasn't alive to
Speaker 1: see someone live through those moments, I didn't live. So
Speaker 1: I can't feel like like I lived through Tyson's all
Speaker 1: the Tyson's moments, but I also lived through all the
Speaker 1: Tyson's just you know, he's down, so I can't technically
Speaker 1: root for him. I love him, but Floyd, I felt
Speaker 1: like I grew up with him. We went through puberty
Speaker 1: together and then we actually was grown people together, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't disappointed me. I do not want him to
Speaker 1: go to have one fight in the UFC. Do not.
Speaker 1: If if that they could do that, I might cry.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, I do not. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna do it what I didn't. He might be one
Speaker 1: more seven, not one Floyd to ever fight you f C.
Speaker 1: I think it might be trolling. Man. We won. Were
Speaker 1: from the boxing community. They came into our world one time.
Speaker 1: We won. Let's get our one and done and that's it.
Speaker 1: Like I used to play handball, I'll beat your handball once.
Speaker 1: So let's sit and whatever. That's it. You won't get
Speaker 1: a remac. I got a gun. What do you want
Speaker 1: to do from here? They're gonna try and hurt that
Speaker 1: boy over there if you go. I'm trying to tell
Speaker 1: it because it's not gonna be McGregor. McGregor is a
Speaker 1: thumb now. He threw ship at these other people, so
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be with Greg's some other day that's
Speaker 1: focused that don't want pussy, right, and that's gonna go
Speaker 1: on the ring. You're gonna kick the ship and I
Speaker 1: don't want that. That's an l for boxing. Man. We
Speaker 1: can't take that. We can't tell you. So, so me
Speaker 1: and you are green, we agree, But your greatest of
Speaker 1: all time. That's Sugar Ray, Sugar Ray Robinson, Robinson, I
Speaker 1: mean boxing, it's a lot like it's a lot like
Speaker 1: hip hop. Man, that s got to be. Don't watch
Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop because you have mad people
Speaker 1: hype you up. But when you actually go on that booth,
Speaker 1: it's only you that's okay, Joshua or Wilder man easily.
Speaker 1: I'm picking Wilder easy, easy work. I knew men you
Speaker 1: get along. I knew that's easy work. That's easier Anthony
Speaker 1: josh with Anthony josh easy work, though, that's easy work. No,
Speaker 1: I can't say this easy work, easy work. Joshua is
Speaker 1: hitting hard. Listen, listen, this ain't no knock on Joshua's
Speaker 1: punching power. Bro Please Deontay Wilder, Deontay Wilder, gotta hear
Speaker 1: that guy. He got a different kind of make He
Speaker 1: make a lot of mistakes, but so do Anthony Joshua.
Speaker 1: They both make a lot of technical boxer mistakes. But
Speaker 1: Deontay got a fire in him. Okay, what was the
Speaker 1: last fight on Wilder? Hat um? He just would you
Speaker 1: see there was a couple of mistakes that Wilder made.
Speaker 1: Louise or Chiz is a better boxing you're a better
Speaker 1: boxing But but the mistakes that Wilder made, could it
Speaker 1: be detrimental to to Joshua because josh was very technical.
Speaker 1: Just keep it real. Look, he's not Ortiz. Like if
Speaker 1: he would have made those mistakes with Joshua, it might
Speaker 1: have it might have cost him. I'm just keeping it real.
Speaker 1: Like Deontay want to win, man, he got it. That's
Speaker 1: the day. At the end of the day, I'm they
Speaker 1: make it the way the way that the state that
Speaker 1: the heavyweight division is in, it makes you focus on
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like they both they both make they
Speaker 1: both make mistakes. It's not gonna come down to who
Speaker 1: the better boxing. It's gonna come down to who land first,
Speaker 1: who wanted more. But Deante got a right hand that
Speaker 1: we have not seen in boxing probably since Tommy Hearns.
Speaker 1: And they end in the heavyweight division. But and this
Speaker 1: is the UK's first actual champion and its first actually
Speaker 1: black champion take a champaign. There's something about that. They
Speaker 1: are eighty thousand deep at his fucking They can't fight
Speaker 1: for him, they can't fight for him. But but but Royce,
Speaker 1: let's just be clear, that's something that's crazy because Joshua
Speaker 1: can actually say I'll fight you, but in London. You
Speaker 1: beat him in London. But what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is we don't actually know that feeling when everybody is
Speaker 1: coming out boying, you get how to performing that. I
Speaker 1: mean as artists, as artists, unless we have real beef
Speaker 1: with somebody, like you can't go to Poland and these
Speaker 1: the whole Poland buoy you. Yeah, he got this fight happens.
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about because because Wilder, because Wilder
Speaker 1: is young. Still, let's just be clear, like how old
Speaker 1: are you don't have to answer that I'm forty two,
Speaker 1: I'm not forty. I'm forty and I'm forty. That's but
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is as a person that's twenty seven,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that said I don't even know the age.
Speaker 1: But we all think we mature. You don't really mature.
Speaker 1: On to thirty five. Thirty five is after that you're like, man,
Speaker 1: fun everything, I'm want to go to costcos today. This
Speaker 1: is the thirty five. You actually have to get hit
Speaker 1: that thirty five. Everybody here thirty five. It looks like yeah, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: good look you're not You're in the Costles days. All right,
Speaker 1: so when you're a thirty file, you're a cop. But
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is I think that Josh
Speaker 1: who he was born in I gotta take my story back. Then,
Speaker 1: I don't understand what I was trying to go. I
Speaker 1: thought he was twenty five, he's not. He's on the team.
Speaker 1: And then wasn't Anthony Josh ahead google that Now you
Speaker 1: might be Josh was only like he only like twenty
Speaker 1: oh right, yeah, no, he a beast Anthony josh with
Speaker 1: a beast man. Please don't think that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: But Deonte just recently want to fight. But I didn't
Speaker 1: watch that fight because I knew he was gonna win.
Speaker 1: As I knew he's gonna win it, did you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course? Okay, it's the fight we're talking about, the
Speaker 1: Joseph Parker fight, right Okay, oh yeah, they ain't that
Speaker 1: after there was much you though, there's much more yellow
Speaker 1: though they don't much the other four years of wal
Speaker 1: So now we're going on a while. Though Wilder bro
Speaker 1: against the Joshua, of course, I think he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna stop him. Cannello just got caught. What did he
Speaker 1: get called for Rice. He was taking some ship called
Speaker 1: cli clim Bauteral. It disappoints me, Rice, Yeah, mom my mom.
Speaker 1: The only cool we we were boxing fans. I'll look
Speaker 1: at your Twitter feed and this is that's how. That's
Speaker 1: how I know your real boxing thinking. I was looking
Speaker 1: at Twitter freedom like this Nickels saying everything. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are you not disappointed of Cannello? Some ship called cli
Speaker 1: clim Bauteral steroid. I don't even want to try to
Speaker 1: impeat what that's calls. It's some kind of steroid. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it does. But twice, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was disappointed. I was disappointed. Go over twice the fighter.
Speaker 1: They're not fighting now. They just canceled it. Fu he
Speaker 1: suspended Canello like one of my favorite fighters too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Am how you say how you saying this Spanish call
Speaker 1: them that's buddy. How How disappointed was you? I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like one of the only fights that
Speaker 1: I really want to I want not a little besides,
Speaker 1: you know, like Spence Verse Crawford. You got Spence versus Crawford,
Speaker 1: My home girl, Spence Spence Girl Spence Verse. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: the new may Weather. He's the main Weather. Don't play around. Well.
Speaker 1: I think Tarance Crawford is the new Mayweather. I think
Speaker 1: Terrice Crawford is a beast here beast too. That's my
Speaker 1: guy guy as well. But each other Charon's Cowford is
Speaker 1: fighting who well I'm saying, I'm just talking about the pass. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't want I don't want people to
Speaker 1: think that. No, that's not happening yet. But you know,
Speaker 1: like when you look at every division, you see what
Speaker 1: the super fighter that movie I was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: So sometime in the future, that fight is gonna have
Speaker 1: to happen. They can't avoid each other because they they
Speaker 1: movements are too powerful. They running through everything moving, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it's the same with Canelo,
Speaker 1: Triple G, Wilder, Joshua, those are like everything that's happening
Speaker 1: in these divisions are leading up to these fights. So
Speaker 1: and especially with how good the Canelo the Triple G
Speaker 1: first fight was, It's like, yo, bro, you just funked
Speaker 1: up the opportunity. Who did you think won that fight?
Speaker 1: In the opinion, I gave it to get I gave
Speaker 1: it the Triple G I gave it a triple g.
Speaker 1: I gave I gave it a triple I'm not. I
Speaker 1: was rooting for Cannelo though. I If they fighting, it's
Speaker 1: not rude for nobody. If they fight again, Canella's gonna
Speaker 1: stop him. He's gonna stop him, stop him if they fight.
Speaker 1: If they fight again, I'm on that, I think. And
Speaker 1: then now that so, now, are you familiar with the
Speaker 1: steroid that they saying that they caught him with. I
Speaker 1: heard of it before. I'm not. I'm not familiar with
Speaker 1: because the weed, because they do put steroids in the meat,
Speaker 1: so that's a valid Yeah, that's a that's an excuse
Speaker 1: they got cold. He got cold it twice. So yeah,
Speaker 1: heats a lot of them. He eats a lot of meat.
Speaker 1: That was you're gonna say, if one's this is a
Speaker 1: poss friendly podcast, you can say pausing, No, I just
Speaker 1: really want to know, because I don't want to It's
Speaker 1: like when somebody calls somebody a snitch. People call people
Speaker 1: a snitch and they don't have no fucking you know,
Speaker 1: like back in the days, you can't call him by
Speaker 1: that you out of the paperwork. You have to show
Speaker 1: these people this is what these snitch is the days
Speaker 1: snitch is obviously snitch too, But now there's anybody who
Speaker 1: said anybody's a snitch and everybody has to looking on it.
Speaker 1: So when you say that, I think they have the
Speaker 1: actual information for sure. As I said, he's a lot
Speaker 1: of meat. Yeah. No, I'm not saying plar. I'm saying
Speaker 1: to the people like, if cano is that, show me
Speaker 1: what it is. Obviously it has to be something real
Speaker 1: because they say this is the second time they caught
Speaker 1: him with Yeah, I mean it's from what I hear,
Speaker 1: like just looking at interviews from guys like Freddie Roach
Speaker 1: and Ship, they're basically saying that that's always their excuse,
Speaker 1: like the Mexican fighters and ship like that, when they
Speaker 1: get caught doing something, they always they got their excuse
Speaker 1: ready already. So I don't know if he really was
Speaker 1: doing it or not. I just know that ship don't
Speaker 1: look good. I suspended happening. Um what happened? Um? But
Speaker 1: the guy who had to the ship dude die? Oh
Speaker 1: that was they did, like uh not and prior not
Speaker 1: and prior yeah they said he was, but do you
Speaker 1: talk about when he fought a lection he didn't die
Speaker 1: though he didn't die of him. Yeah, he stood out
Speaker 1: and he had he had the ship on this. They
Speaker 1: was accusing them and taking something. They were saying it
Speaker 1: was something they caught. They caught some audio from the
Speaker 1: actual audio says, give the take this bottle, the other bottle,
Speaker 1: give me the other bottle is a real box of Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave him, They gave him that bottle. He drank
Speaker 1: out of that bottom because he just came out the
Speaker 1: round and he was tired. But then when he gave
Speaker 1: him a special bottle, he came out smack into energy
Speaker 1: and he just came out and just so what that
Speaker 1: bottle have we don't know, We don't know to It's
Speaker 1: like the olive you time to really also minds the
Speaker 1: muscle cells and muscle proteins ands, which is why I
Speaker 1: also sounds like a great energy drink. Not to be confused,
Speaker 1: of course, it sounds fantastically horrible. So the boxing generation,
Speaker 1: what do you see it going from there? Um, First
Speaker 1: of all, I think boxing is in a great place
Speaker 1: right now. First off, I just want you to cut
Speaker 1: you off. And we have a podcast called a Drink
Speaker 1: Champions Network, and we would like you to be our
Speaker 1: boxing podcasts like for real we want you to be,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that files the fights cap so,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like I just watch all of them,
Speaker 1: watch all and that's that's so dope because the thing
Speaker 1: about it is your legend. So you're a legend hip hop.
Speaker 1: So everybody can like actually sit back and say, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's what I did because I
Speaker 1: looked and my father is a boxer. So that's the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm so much into it. And the way
Speaker 1: you're talking, you're talking like me, I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: I know more than everybody. It's just me. It's just
Speaker 1: who I am. You know. And when when he I
Speaker 1: think I told more than everybody or I know more
Speaker 1: than everybody, and then this thing is talking like me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's dangerous. I'm seeing somebody who's me, Like,
Speaker 1: who's me? It's not me. So instead up, instead of
Speaker 1: trying to compete with you, I immediately want to get
Speaker 1: down with you because that's something that hip hop. That's
Speaker 1: what we have to do. The thing is we have
Speaker 1: to start doing other hustles. And right there, right right there,
Speaker 1: I can see you go into ah and every boxing match,
Speaker 1: regardless of it's in Barclay's it's just such a such
Speaker 1: and you're just covering the boxing match or some hip
Speaker 1: hop ship. You don't gotta be in a world. You
Speaker 1: don't gonna be in the world and doing like you
Speaker 1: being unifor listen, nigga ship win damn you. We don't
Speaker 1: even gotta We weren't gonna funk with them like we
Speaker 1: just you'd be behind the scenes the boxing nigga of
Speaker 1: our fucking generation point to us, they don't even gotta
Speaker 1: funk with us, like the boxing generation. This hip hop
Speaker 1: funk with us. That's it. Like like I watched Bill Moore,
Speaker 1: I don't funk with news, but I watched Bill Moore.
Speaker 1: I don't funk with news. I don't turn him off
Speaker 1: and go to c CBS or CNN, Fox, you know,
Speaker 1: or Fox and see him what he just said was
Speaker 1: the truth. No, I just funk with his facts, whatever
Speaker 1: his facts is. I'm working with that. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 1: part of the problems. Definitely create the solution. Let's create
Speaker 1: the solution. This watch right in the bathroom where I
Speaker 1: think no talk. Sorry, sorry, sadist, such thing I talk
Speaker 1: about this mop shadow box of the check he said
Speaker 1: was probably want to know. I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: off the dockroom. But this looks like Poppy on the
Speaker 1: shop side, like I'm just scared again, I tell you,
Speaker 1: and coming like that. This thing is fucking but on
Speaker 1: you from the door. He's sucking throwing puncheon. So when
Speaker 1: I go I go to my dad, I'm like throwing
Speaker 1: out punches and ships. Yea the bun until you could
Speaker 1: be mad weird, that's like that'sch I'm like, what who
Speaker 1: fuses that? And that was a porter ricking box. And
Speaker 1: then he went up to him and he's a pictures
Speaker 1: and he came sat with us my psssts from not
Speaker 1: just so you know that. You know, that's what all
Speaker 1: real boxes do. At some point, they'll be hanging out
Speaker 1: with you. They'll be chilling and they'll just get up
Speaker 1: and shadow even like what the fucking role with this bicker,
Speaker 1: I'll kick you, don't listen. I'm a real boxing fan.
Speaker 1: I hung out with everybody from the niggas test here,
Speaker 1: so the niggas just there and they all just at
Speaker 1: one point it was like throw the combinations just be
Speaker 1: walking somewhere, the walking to the bathroom. You're like, yo, nigger,
Speaker 1: I swear to God this is that's not abnormal at all.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't no, no, but but people, let me
Speaker 1: just say you something. People who write rhymes and they
Speaker 1: had they are a little bit more crazier than the
Speaker 1: most And I don't mean crazier like what I mean
Speaker 1: is you're talking about yeah big jay, like they're a
Speaker 1: little bit more like for elmetric, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, I want to say weirder because right around
Speaker 1: usually you're supposed to say pulling it on, remember that
Speaker 1: line and put it jotted down. But when you're you're
Speaker 1: superseded that smartness, you also supersede that weirdness where it's
Speaker 1: like kind of because just think about it, even when
Speaker 1: you write the rhynd, you're looking weird as fuck because
Speaker 1: you can't even communicate with somebody while you're doing it.
Speaker 1: Like somebody said, with something up to it yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and you and they know you want to rolling talking
Speaker 1: to yourself. You're actually talking to yourself, so you're just
Speaker 1: weird as opposed to when you fit it on paper,
Speaker 1: you put it on your phone. I go right on
Speaker 1: line and like yeah cheese that yes you know I
Speaker 1: want yes, I would like like blue cheese, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: and you keep it going. But when you write in
Speaker 1: your head, you gotta block out everything. You gotta block
Speaker 1: out because if anybody say anything, you're gonna forget that.
Speaker 1: You said the Dutch Master Blue right Ryan section two.
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do a body with who you're gonna
Speaker 1: You're gonna forget all that. So you have to just
Speaker 1: stay there and you just stay focused. But then you're
Speaker 1: not writing it down, so you have to stay focused.
Speaker 1: To you, it's a weird thing. The weird. I salute
Speaker 1: to everybody. Gon do it, salute everybody who does. I
Speaker 1: had to do that. I had to do that ship
Speaker 1: when you have to start learning how to write your
Speaker 1: wrong when I first got sober, when I first started
Speaker 1: writing again sober because there had been so many years
Speaker 1: I couldn't write. I want to hear the sober. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that ship was almost six years ago. And it was like,
Speaker 1: what about you have a muslimoia right now? Right? You
Speaker 1: have oils Muslim oiers, brother, Like that's like, that's that's
Speaker 1: like Agyptian, It's like something like that. You know my
Speaker 1: old school Muslim oil niggers? Is that? Am I correct
Speaker 1: on a But it's something similar, something similar. All right,
Speaker 1: keep you going. I mean when I got when I
Speaker 1: got sober, it was like I had to teach myself,
Speaker 1: not teach myself, but get myself back accustomed to writing
Speaker 1: and doing ship without drinking. But can you tell us
Speaker 1: what this? What you how you got to the place
Speaker 1: to become sober? Oh ship? I mean, I just was
Speaker 1: making you know, everything that was wrong, every single thing
Speaker 1: that was wrong in my life, the path from that lead,
Speaker 1: the liquor, everything. It just affected my decision making across
Speaker 1: the board, you know what I'm saying, like all my decisions,
Speaker 1: like the people I chose to be around. I think
Speaker 1: it pointed at me that was sucked up because I know,
Speaker 1: because he knows you're a chance you can afford you.
Speaker 1: I know you can attest to that. I didn't have
Speaker 1: nobody to say, you know, so the people. I chose
Speaker 1: this around myself with the chicks, I chose this around myself.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was just it was
Speaker 1: just everything was bad. Like the last thing, did you
Speaker 1: see the media takeout? Ship from the Chick exposed me
Speaker 1: on media take out? Damn, You're gonna remind me to
Speaker 1: remember this because I know I saw it. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so that ship happened. It was just too much happen happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was having the three some of chess girls the
Speaker 1: worst living is like let me, let's not get so
Speaker 1: if something, I'm sorry, Yeah, so, um, I'm I'm drunk
Speaker 1: and fuck you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm sucking the one girl and then the
Speaker 1: um the other girls recording me but I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And then like I'm sleep, I'm passed out
Speaker 1: on the couch and she's taking pictures of me while
Speaker 1: I'm sleep, you know what I'm saying. So time went by.
Speaker 1: I think she was mad at me because I wasn't
Speaker 1: like answering the phone and some ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But um, she ended up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she sold him or whatever. She gave the pictures
Speaker 1: and ship the media take out. So I get a
Speaker 1: call from my side, chick mad cursing me out because
Speaker 1: I'm on media takeout. My wife don't even know, you know,
Speaker 1: I was saying, like, so now I got my side
Speaker 1: chick mad at me for some ship that I did.
Speaker 1: And then I got to be the one to tell
Speaker 1: my wife. And then I got into so much ship,
Speaker 1: got caught doing so much ship for my wife. My
Speaker 1: wife wasn't even as mad as my side chick. Like
Speaker 1: everything was just off, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: was just like I was like, I gotta make some changes, man,
Speaker 1: And then it was just like my marriage was ruined,
Speaker 1: was getting ruined. I was at a financial high in life,
Speaker 1: but I was just at a time more morally, I
Speaker 1: was underground. I was buried. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: No more morals, no more integrity is a man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like you look at the word
Speaker 1: loyalty and it's like people break that word down and
Speaker 1: they they put they turn it into so many different parts,
Speaker 1: Like it ain't just one word, Like would you ever
Speaker 1: fuck your man's girl? No, you wouldn't think about it.
Speaker 1: Not that you're drunk is but you're cheating on your
Speaker 1: wife in a minute, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's like this is horrible, which is fucking horrible. I
Speaker 1: just don't get married. You just nigga. Literally my karma,
Speaker 1: My karma is, it's it's instant with you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying like it's instant. Were you ever the salvage
Speaker 1: the marriage? Yeah, okay, Coradulus, Yeah, so I mean should
Speaker 1: I woke up one day in the hotel room and
Speaker 1: I was like, it's time to stop, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I felt like and this is after
Speaker 1: Marshall had already became so he was years in because
Speaker 1: you and him used to get drunk together. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he didn't. He was never really a drinker like that,
Speaker 1: but he was popping pills and we got drunk together,
Speaker 1: you know, plenty of times. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, ship all my friends was pretty much my
Speaker 1: drinking buddy. He doesn't say, It's like, that's pretty much
Speaker 1: what my life was. But the only difference is I'm
Speaker 1: an addict, Like I'm wired like an addict. So you know,
Speaker 1: when we're sitting around having fun, y'all is just drinking
Speaker 1: and having fun. When the drink Champs interview is over
Speaker 1: and you go home and chill, I'm still love drinking.
Speaker 1: I can't stop. Damn. That's me right now. I think
Speaker 1: that not we already have to go there, Hey, b no,
Speaker 1: but we balanced it. We do work out. We do
Speaker 1: know we we take, we take days out of drinking,
Speaker 1: and we take saying we cannot because we're fucked up.
Speaker 1: I kid you not and your baby show. You got
Speaker 1: a baby shop, put my baby shop. I want to
Speaker 1: put your business on the street. I want to put
Speaker 1: your business on the streets. I finally found out that
Speaker 1: my partner, Dick worked sound I know, even royal and
Speaker 1: business for twenty years, he said. And he said, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this nigga ship ain't working because I
Speaker 1: got len pregnancies. He said, this is a pause friendly shows.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, I'm glad to know that she
Speaker 1: is ship is working. Glad to know you gotta you
Speaker 1: got you got a baby on the way. About this
Speaker 1: reveal to agenda, I won't do that. And the baby
Speaker 1: shop was private too, and the baby was private too.
Speaker 1: I won't say where it is, but voice so hip hop, man,
Speaker 1: did you think that hip hop would be where it's at?
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is because listening to you, I
Speaker 1: imagine you come from the same place that hip hop
Speaker 1: where we are. When you had to have lyrics, that
Speaker 1: was the first thing of your outfit, Like before you
Speaker 1: care about having an Adidas, before you care about how
Speaker 1: the likes. At least you had your lyrics straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you were worried about your outfit. Right now, people
Speaker 1: worry about the outfit, They worry about the rember, about
Speaker 1: everything else but the lyrics. The lyrics last. Right now,
Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately, can you stand this arrow hip hop?
Speaker 1: I choose to deal with it. It's me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: choose to deal with it too. I don't think all
Speaker 1: of it is for me, right you know what I mean? So, Dog,
Speaker 1: I'm real Like I'm I'm good at being okay with ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like, I realized if it's
Speaker 1: not for me, it ain't up to me to get
Speaker 1: all upset. It's up to me to just find a
Speaker 1: ship that I like to listen to, and just to
Speaker 1: listen to that ship, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: that's the luxury we're at today, though, we could find
Speaker 1: whatever we want everything every he's a DJ, he should
Speaker 1: be DJ in every party. I think he's that stubborn
Speaker 1: that he don't want a DJ because you don't want to.
Speaker 1: This is my opinion. Remember, remember going back to what
Speaker 1: we were talking to, Listen, we have one of the
Speaker 1: most hottest shows in the world. They wanted to DJ everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to say, I don't want to
Speaker 1: play this ship. I want to play old school ship.
Speaker 1: He's too busy making babies. Man. I want to say,
Speaker 1: we keep doing so we were talking about earlier, but
Speaker 1: motherfucker's get they get used to ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, lyricism was so important for so long,
Speaker 1: we just got used to it. In order for hip
Speaker 1: hop to evolve, people had to open up new doors,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's a little hard for us to
Speaker 1: accept that lyricism is in the fourth front in terms
Speaker 1: of like and music, but it's also you know, it's
Speaker 1: making us mature as listeners to but it's still it's
Speaker 1: still there because the difference between now and before is
Speaker 1: that it's not like you said, it's not on the forefront,
Speaker 1: but there's still lyricists. There's young cats that are still
Speaker 1: pushing lyrical ability. They're still like we got Denzel Curry,
Speaker 1: we got Kendrick. He might be not the youngest cat,
Speaker 1: but he's in that young and to me, he's like
Speaker 1: one of the us I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: The people, the people who are truly on top and
Speaker 1: have had the best careers from this generation, you know,
Speaker 1: like Kendrick Cole. Guys like that. They're to dare the lyricists, right,
Speaker 1: but listen, lys, but you you you when you're get
Speaker 1: in the gym and you're good in it because well
Speaker 1: all overweight, all of us right at one point and
Speaker 1: then we got in the gym. We got our ship together.
Speaker 1: But we're in the gym. You can't front. You do
Speaker 1: not turn off? He says, you do not, or you
Speaker 1: do I do not. I leave it on when it
Speaker 1: comes on, my off turn on. I'll leave it on.
Speaker 1: Google's actually in the Kanye in the studio. Yeah, studio,
Speaker 1: the gym, I mean the gym. I'm sorry, sorry, I
Speaker 1: think you turn on. Gucci Gang want to come on car? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I see you got a porch pran to marrow.
Speaker 1: It's very nice white. He's gonna give y'all listen when
Speaker 1: you wear it in the car and good game come
Speaker 1: up and you got on GOOCHI because I also watched.
Speaker 1: You're tired. You're very Gooccie Gang too, You're very and
Speaker 1: then let's come on good and you're as I think
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's a cool song song you. I don't
Speaker 1: turn it off even when I'm in like Googi Gang,
Speaker 1: even even like it happen and like the club and
Speaker 1: ship like that, and you don't really want to hear
Speaker 1: like no super super lyrical shop wants in the club
Speaker 1: responsible ignorance music. That's what you're an adult. Music should
Speaker 1: be like that, though, that's a good one. Music should
Speaker 1: be like that though. Music should be like a soundtrack
Speaker 1: to every single thing that could possibly go onto your life.
Speaker 1: It should be music for everything. It should be music
Speaker 1: for every movie, just like watching movie, you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I prefer lyrics, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: also you know, like I like tons of different styles
Speaker 1: of music, different kinds of different genres, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you can pick something out of any
Speaker 1: anything that these young dudes are doing. Some of it
Speaker 1: is just like not not tolerable. You can't listen to it.
Speaker 1: But should I just turn it off? I think there's
Speaker 1: different conversations when you're talking about like if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the upliftment of hip hop culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think those are different conversations. Good you
Speaker 1: goddamn it. And this is drink chap, motherfucker podcast. We
Speaker 1: did we had to do the wrong before we get
Speaker 1: about it here, before we get about it. So is
Speaker 1: it difficult for you to be around environments as a
Speaker 1: person that's sober, because we want our fans to know
Speaker 1: that you can listen to us sober as well, just
Speaker 1: because we're getting inviriated that we're doing all this. This
Speaker 1: is about hip hop history. You're saying about us getting
Speaker 1: drunk or whatever. And we had Joe on there and
Speaker 1: now we have you on You and y'all both have
Speaker 1: similar stories being you know, recovering. Um, how hard is
Speaker 1: it to maintain an everyday society after you make that switch.
Speaker 1: It's not difficult for me, now, you know when I
Speaker 1: first when I first got sober, I didn't I didn't trust.
Speaker 1: I didn't trust being in a certain environment. So I
Speaker 1: just didn't allow myself to be in those environments. Like
Speaker 1: I was about to We're just about to do a
Speaker 1: slaughterhouse store. When I got sober, I had to call
Speaker 1: all the guys in the group individually and just tell
Speaker 1: that I couldn't go, because, yeah, we weren't able to
Speaker 1: do because I didn't know. I didn't know what sobriety was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was a situation where if
Speaker 1: some liquor what I want something? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like the should be like dangling and stake in front
Speaker 1: of my face and steps. Is that what you did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you automatically do with steps And he was a patron guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my last went through different I went through. I went
Speaker 1: through different phases in my in my drunkardness. But I
Speaker 1: had a legendary drunkard that means he drank. Give us
Speaker 1: the legendary drink of this story. I mean I started
Speaker 1: out with the first drink I ever drink was Jack
Speaker 1: Daniels with Dre with Dr Dre Jack Daniels, Dr Dre,
Speaker 1: Dr Doctor Drake. That sounds to the studio I was saying.
Speaker 1: I was what you're saying that Dr Dre out together.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the way I worded it. What's you're
Speaker 1: gonna name this episode? Name? You had to cause friendly good? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I started out with Jack Daniels and then um,
Speaker 1: I started drinking Riccardi with Marshall. Just Riccardi straight, that's
Speaker 1: all we're drinking and Riccarti straight. I always I'm a
Speaker 1: Cardi Lemon, just a Cardi Cardy Lemon was next, No,
Speaker 1: don't do it, don't do it, don't go there, And
Speaker 1: I was about to say I'd never ever in my
Speaker 1: drinking career drink mixed drinks. The moon is the worst.
Speaker 1: You never drink. You're a real rock ship, isn't in
Speaker 1: the way. I'm sorry, I don't. I don't mean to
Speaker 1: sounds like an alcoholic that's trying to bring you back.
Speaker 1: But you do it because I love me. This sound
Speaker 1: like that guy you understanding that m ain't have been
Speaker 1: the problem. Is you just gonna way too hard man.
Speaker 1: You might have had needed some self of water. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I love saying I'm suggesting that right now. I'm not
Speaker 1: suggested that I love you, Grace, and I really respect you.
Speaker 1: I should have gone really really do. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, maybe another light not in this one.
Speaker 1: You know, there's two things I didn't understand with drinking.
Speaker 1: Why people wanted their liquor to taste good. No, it
Speaker 1: never tastes good. But that's what the mixing, that's what
Speaker 1: the mixed drinks is for. You go to you go
Speaker 1: to a bar and they put he's right, they put
Speaker 1: this much right. But I never then they put a
Speaker 1: bunch of ship in to try and make it taste better.
Speaker 1: I always tell people it never tastes good. It feels
Speaker 1: good the first one. Yeah, it's like it's like you
Speaker 1: can't right. So I'm on my six years about to
Speaker 1: be so why didn't I didn't understand why people wanted
Speaker 1: it to taste good. And I didn't understand why people
Speaker 1: would just go have a couple of drinks. If you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get sucked up what you're drinking for, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna lie. That's what I do know.
Speaker 1: You drink to get sucked up. That's all right. What's
Speaker 1: what's do you? So? It's I see you cut it
Speaker 1: off at one point, I see you feel yourself. But
Speaker 1: then I see yeah, I see like getting enough an
Speaker 1: you way. But then I also see you tell people
Speaker 1: you want to him also ready to people just walks
Speaker 1: through and you said people fuck you. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on? You're like, fuck you, Pitt bouck you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I here? Why did you invite
Speaker 1: me out to the ton of the Sun. And everyone
Speaker 1: knows I'm not lying, just saying you understand that you
Speaker 1: gotta be very under the water. I know that that's
Speaker 1: a sun. Let me you haven't tell you. Let me
Speaker 1: just say went out on something. That is right, guys
Speaker 1: of asshole man when you lock thing though, right, there's
Speaker 1: like different levels of clubs. They got the clubs where
Speaker 1: it's like everybody go to, like then there's the clubs
Speaker 1: where everybody can go to. Okay, So I mean on
Speaker 1: the age over age midle a, no age. So you
Speaker 1: go and you go to the joint and I walk
Speaker 1: in it like the context that tell us thing that
Speaker 1: the DJ said, get what I'm saying, What did that mean?
Speaker 1: Take off your story. I'm from New York City, wants
Speaker 1: to find where am I. I don't know that he
Speaker 1: was in the Miami for a couple of years already. No,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of like my first night.
Speaker 1: Get that a lot. I remember that ship for the
Speaker 1: rest of my lady. Get down that lot said that
Speaker 1: in the said Spanish is this I did learn that's
Speaker 1: man and then people who just walked through. But you
Speaker 1: know there's backstory to that. I don't know the backstory.
Speaker 1: This is my story. This is my story. He pleas
Speaker 1: letting me my story or so I don't know the backstory.
Speaker 1: I listen to a little backstory. All I know is
Speaker 1: he walked through and he did not say hot, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and took a couple of more get and the thing
Speaker 1: walked over and saying I'm gonna fuck you up right
Speaker 1: now that the security is teach the chef, he's a chef.
Speaker 1: It was purple no, but teas like, yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you doing the family bro? No, Beca's hound drunk you
Speaker 1: word teachers like please, here's no one did not see
Speaker 1: the fucking what would you drinking? But that's not happened,
Speaker 1: not so it's not exactly what happened. Like if you're
Speaker 1: supressionally making true this my story. What was saying a
Speaker 1: lot of people like put it in here. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with that. I got a friend of
Speaker 1: your version of its funny. That's funny. But but he
Speaker 1: but did you does your virgen contain I'm gonna fuck you?
Speaker 1: Want I don't know what. Let's let's change whatever the
Speaker 1: reason why I don't know you. That's not what this is.
Speaker 1: This is a supportive movie. When you see Royce Ords
Speaker 1: moving this interview, Rys like, man, I love drink chat
Speaker 1: drink chats me up. They do whatever, But there's a
Speaker 1: couple of clips where we we weren't funny, and that's
Speaker 1: what the the fucking whole audience looks at. So people
Speaker 1: think they're like yo. But the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: it's something that I just told somebody the other day
Speaker 1: is don't this for the two percent of what's wrong?
Speaker 1: Pick me up for the ninety eight percent for what's right. Like,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing something ninety eight percent that's right and
Speaker 1: it's only two percent that's wrong. How dare you call
Speaker 1: me about the two percent? Why not call me and
Speaker 1: say that nine percent you're kicking out its greg. They
Speaker 1: got the whole hood happy, you know. But the person
Speaker 1: called me about the two percent and they made me
Speaker 1: just think of that made me just express that. So
Speaker 1: the thing about hip hop is hip hop. We don't
Speaker 1: give our people they flowers while they can smell them,
Speaker 1: They trees while they can hell them, They thoughts what
Speaker 1: they can think of them, and they drinks while they
Speaker 1: can drink them. And the thing is, you know, God
Speaker 1: bless the dead, Craig mac A, love Buck, Stark Sky,
Speaker 1: all these people. These people passed away, and now people
Speaker 1: want to post pictures of the that's not what we
Speaker 1: want to do and drink chance. We want to post
Speaker 1: pictures of you. Why are you fucking alive? We want
Speaker 1: to pick you up? Why are you fucking a lie?
Speaker 1: And most of the people that we interview don't even
Speaker 1: really have something going on but to us, and it's you,
Speaker 1: what you did, it's bigger. You're on And so it
Speaker 1: hurts me sometimes when I see people and I tell them,
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, listen, I see you about to drop
Speaker 1: the album. Come funk with us, come see us. They're
Speaker 1: listen to their record label and they'll go see such
Speaker 1: and such or such and such. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because I think about this. We don't need you first,
Speaker 1: We need you when you're right. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, it makes me know what level
Speaker 1: the artist is on, what we're gonna do, what's what's
Speaker 1: your be a beast? Future future future legend, future legend
Speaker 1: always say when I when I when when people bring
Speaker 1: tank up, I always say that nigger, he punches with conviction.
Speaker 1: He throws every punch like you're trying to kill you.
Speaker 1: I love those kind of fighters. That's that fire I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. They can't be taught I take out that
Speaker 1: fire Wilder. Yeah, so one of the same hands down
Speaker 1: Deonte Wilder is taking out Anthony Joshua and that is there. Well,
Speaker 1: you can never say a hundred percent hands down in
Speaker 1: the heavyweight division, and the heavyweight division is you know,
Speaker 1: it's taking your back, but taking your back voice. I
Speaker 1: would say, put your money on Deonte okay, but now
Speaker 1: your money what would you what would you bet? I'm
Speaker 1: putting my money on Deontae. If I'm betting, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about one to ten, how much money would
Speaker 1: you put one in ten on the I put I'll
Speaker 1: say ten. I'm confident. I'm confident that he was. He
Speaker 1: just got he got more fire, man, he got more fire.
Speaker 1: What is this fight is supposed to take place June job?
Speaker 1: They still haven't they have enough. They ain't signed on
Speaker 1: the fight each other yet. Huh. Well, listen, man, Royce,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming down, sit down,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, for for me, I want
Speaker 1: to salute you because um, I forget who are your
Speaker 1: people's but I wanted to ask them and say, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, should we stop drinking or should we stop smoking?
Speaker 1: Or some type of ship and there was like, race
Speaker 1: is good. They can sit right to fucking there and
Speaker 1: y'all can do whatever. So before we get up out
Speaker 1: of here, how did you develop that type of tolerance
Speaker 1: where you could actually, you know, sit around people that's
Speaker 1: indulging and you're not indulged. Yeah, you just it's it's sobriety.
Speaker 1: One of the things with sobriety is just about learning yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like learning exactly what you
Speaker 1: can can't stand. Like when I first got sober, I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna have to be exactly like how
Speaker 1: him do his ship, Like it ain't nobody around him
Speaker 1: drinking and smoking. Like yeah, you kind of not saying
Speaker 1: that he's isolating himself, but we don't go around him drinking,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I try. I was
Speaker 1: traveling with him while I was still drinking, and I
Speaker 1: never drink around him, you know. So like when I
Speaker 1: got sober and I went around Slaughterhouse, they did the
Speaker 1: same thing. But I'm sober, my nigga, so I could
Speaker 1: tell when you're hiding drinks, hiding the bottle, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, when y'all got drinks, But y'all
Speaker 1: just don't want me to see it. If anything, that
Speaker 1: ship makes me feel more weird about it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you reminded me that I'm the
Speaker 1: motherfucker who's different from everybody. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it makes me feel better when everybody is just themselves.
Speaker 1: Do what works. You're mentally strong to be a yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you if we're working with each other and
Speaker 1: we're doing some ship, I want you to be in
Speaker 1: your element. You let me get my element, and I
Speaker 1: want you to be a young man saying with the
Speaker 1: interviews and ship, man, if this is what y'all doing here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I talk to people
Speaker 1: and tell them I'm coming, I'm excited. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go funk with Nori. You know, how
Speaker 1: can you do that? But you don't drink? Don't mean
Speaker 1: I gotta drink. I think I personally text you and
Speaker 1: told you that, like it please, that's not what we do,
Speaker 1: like you know, like the thing is, the thing is,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We want to praise our artist, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Or so many people they want to
Speaker 1: wait for you to die. You'd be hurt or you
Speaker 1: to go through something tragic for people to actually be like,
Speaker 1: your voice is dope. Yeah, and that's why I was
Speaker 1: so I was so happy when you, um he said
Speaker 1: something about Fat Joe recently. He was like, how long
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep continuing to ignore that Fat Joe was
Speaker 1: just out here relevant? And then Fat Joe came and
Speaker 1: he and he said, yo, yo, this is a lyrical giant.
Speaker 1: I forget what he said. You know, I'm paraphrasing, of course,
Speaker 1: but he backed you up back, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is what hip hop is supposed to be. This
Speaker 1: is exactly what it's supposed to be. The thing is,
Speaker 1: we're so competitive with each other, and we forgot to
Speaker 1: beg the people that were actually fans up. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: say something good about somebody, you automatically we don't want that.
Speaker 1: That's that's what drink chances. That's what drink chance is established.
Speaker 1: It's taking away that dick right up. Like, I have
Speaker 1: no problem with telling you boys, I think you're a
Speaker 1: lyrical giant. I think that you know, aside from from
Speaker 1: from from from you know, like the actual success and
Speaker 1: the money and there's no dispects all up. But you're
Speaker 1: up there with M and Jay and you're lyrically you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You're up there with them. And
Speaker 1: the thing about it is that takes nothing away from
Speaker 1: me from begging you up. So fucking what, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: you deserve it, you know what I'm saying. You deserve it.
Speaker 1: And the thing about hip hop is so many people
Speaker 1: they don't give a funk about saying people people in
Speaker 1: hipop aren't comfortable enough in their skin, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it's like everything is contingent upon other
Speaker 1: people's opinion of you. So you put that being worried
Speaker 1: about them and seeking validation from those people. You put
Speaker 1: that ahead of just being a good, genuine person, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it takes the people with respect,
Speaker 1: like how you got you? You can take the steps
Speaker 1: forward and big people up because they're not gonna come
Speaker 1: at you a certain way. You already developed a certain respect,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's the same here
Speaker 1: when it comes to lyricism. I feel like I can
Speaker 1: compliment anybody because I've already established myself as respected as
Speaker 1: a lyricist. So when they hear it coming from somebody
Speaker 1: like me, they look at it different. That's why I
Speaker 1: said what I said about Fat Rio, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like his longevity is inspiring to me. Man,
Speaker 1: he's like one of my He's like one of my idols.
Speaker 1: I had conversations. I had conversations on the phone with people.
Speaker 1: I had conversations on the phone with Keeno about industry
Speaker 1: ship and there's certain things that I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to accomplish in my age statistically and this
Speaker 1: music ship, and then you turn around and you see
Speaker 1: Fat Joe do it. There's always an exception to the rule. Always.
Speaker 1: I think Dream Champs is that examples. No, he's right though,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's all your boat, right right, yeah, proposed
Speaker 1: to the same thing. So seeing this show, to seeing
Speaker 1: this show pop off of you and ship like that,
Speaker 1: that's equivalent to Fatrow coming with lean back, right. It's
Speaker 1: like it's incredible because it's not. It's not supposed to
Speaker 1: happen if you ask the critics and the thing about
Speaker 1: our our shows. So sorry, um think about our show.
Speaker 1: It should be a cheat cold for the people whose season,
Speaker 1: meaning the people that like everybody yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yah I don't I don't relax, I
Speaker 1: don't listen. I don't want to make excuses like we're
Speaker 1: here for the people who have been here ten years
Speaker 1: and more, who put their grind in. So now, if
Speaker 1: you want to promote your little sisters, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, uh single, and you want to come on
Speaker 1: here and you want to you open up if you
Speaker 1: want to promote your gator. They just started rapping. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's alligator. Got alligator. I'm just saying, I'm just making
Speaker 1: it up right now. You gotta alligator and you want
Speaker 1: to because this this shouldn't be the cheat cold for
Speaker 1: niggas that got ten and twelve and fifteen years and
Speaker 1: more in this game, because you know what, you have
Speaker 1: the regular radio station when you're a new guy. You
Speaker 1: have the regular SoundCloud when you're a new guy. But
Speaker 1: this should be a platform when you seasoned. You know
Speaker 1: what season me? Season me? These motherfucker's seizes you and
Speaker 1: then put you in the frigerator. Nigga, now lets you
Speaker 1: back overnight. I got that. And then they take your
Speaker 1: monkey ass out and then they fry you that season
Speaker 1: that means you have to stay in the frigerator. Colds
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time. I just want to sit.
Speaker 1: This is the movie. Sorry, movie, but this is what
Speaker 1: do you mean when you say season in the hip hop?
Speaker 1: You had to go through a certain freezer with the
Speaker 1: season and knowing you and you can't even get frozen,
Speaker 1: You're not season. This is real. You gotta go through
Speaker 1: this in the hip hop and then after you come
Speaker 1: through that. This is the reason why I always pushed
Speaker 1: the hip hop union. It's because after you go through
Speaker 1: that freezing and after you wake up that next day
Speaker 1: and they put you in the oven hip hop to
Speaker 1: take care of you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it. The thing about it,
Speaker 1: there's so many people who gave a blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 1: They did it, They went platinum, and they fucking homeless
Speaker 1: right now. They're working in McQuary's and mccary's doesn't even
Speaker 1: exist no more. So that lets you know where they're working.
Speaker 1: They're working in wal Mark. This is real. Ship. If
Speaker 1: you gave ten years and your your life to hip
Speaker 1: hop and you really came out there, you you really worked.
Speaker 1: Our union should it should be a union in places
Speaker 1: that at least that at least helps the only other
Speaker 1: corporation in the world that doesn't have a union is boxing,
Speaker 1: and boxing is the most brutal sport in the world.
Speaker 1: Is this what we're saying about an entertainment company? This
Speaker 1: entertainment we ain't beating each other up. I mean, we
Speaker 1: beat each other up because that's what we choose to.
Speaker 1: But this should be a hip hop So I am
Speaker 1: gonna keep continuing doing this podcast and keep it there
Speaker 1: until we find because U t A and forget who
Speaker 1: else who reached out to us to help us with
Speaker 1: this hip hop union, A couple of people, but until
Speaker 1: we actually get this because I'm God bless you. I
Speaker 1: don't ever wanna you know, you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: work blessing to day. But that's all something happens to
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Royce. You went to your level where you
Speaker 1: had to get sober and you had to do something
Speaker 1: why And then you know what happens is the whole
Speaker 1: world says, well, M should have stepped up, a right nigga.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me let me just say something. Let
Speaker 1: me be fair about this. Yeah, M should step up,
Speaker 1: but you know who should step up first? Hip hop?
Speaker 1: The community. You gave your blood sweating tears to us.
Speaker 1: It should be like a gil like. It should be
Speaker 1: like any time any nigger in our community he get
Speaker 1: locked up, and it ain't right. It ain't murder, it ain't,
Speaker 1: it ain't, it ain't something. It's all a crime that
Speaker 1: we can respect. He was selling. We get that, nigga.
Speaker 1: It's a crime that we can respect. Let's get him.
Speaker 1: But if you was to get sick right now, poplex
Speaker 1: so sorry, there wouldn't be nothing to come to you
Speaker 1: but them but a Paul hos of But your own people,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of not their responsibility. After you give
Speaker 1: us seventeen years of your life. Yeah, I'll see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You understand what I'm saying. I think you
Speaker 1: give us seventeen years of your life. It should be
Speaker 1: a union that just says, oh Royce is sick, or
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, everybody, move the fun back, my nigga.
Speaker 1: When I got sober, I didn't even have health insurance insurance.
Speaker 1: It's something new to people. I didn't even I didn't
Speaker 1: even have health insurance. I had a ton of money
Speaker 1: or no health insurance. That's just that's the nice thing
Speaker 1: we think about. It's like, but it's the first thing
Speaker 1: that poplishes is like it's a big business and it's
Speaker 1: like a lot of money to be made, but it's
Speaker 1: like you get no information when you come into this ship.
Speaker 1: Everything you learn is based off of making mistakes. Unless
Speaker 1: you blessed enough to be around somebody you can kind
Speaker 1: of like point you in the right direction. But you
Speaker 1: learn everything off of error, and statistically most people don't
Speaker 1: survive those errors. Damn. So it's not hip hop is
Speaker 1: not set up for you to succeed, to set up
Speaker 1: for you to fail, for sure. Absolutely well, please don't
Speaker 1: say hip hop, say the business, the business entertainment, because
Speaker 1: hip hop it's made for you to be whoever the
Speaker 1: funk you want to be. You just gotta be who
Speaker 1: the fun you want to be there. But the business
Speaker 1: is definitely yeah, yeah, goddamn listen, I'm gonna stop up.
Speaker 1: We did the artists do they drop? So their own
Speaker 1: shout out to looks now that's right now and um
Speaker 1: yeah yeah I loves now. And then we'll do the
Speaker 1: picture together. Yeah, and the drop, let's do it. No, no,
Speaker 1: the drop, I want real start doing the artist by
Speaker 1: the s