Speaker 1: Welcome. In Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, I
Speaker 1: am live at a minor league baseball stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee. Buck,
Speaker 1: there is no minor league baseball game going on. There
Speaker 1: would seem to be no reason whatsoever why three different
Speaker 1: guys with leaf blowers would need to be on a
Speaker 1: field with zero leaves. But as I set down to
Speaker 1: begin this broadcast, my eternal nemesis people with leaf blowers
Speaker 1: are maybe they're doing this just because they knew I
Speaker 1: was gonna be broadcasting here. There are three different guys
Speaker 1: with leaf blowers walking around out on the field and
Speaker 1: there are no leaves, and they're all blasting their leaf
Speaker 1: blowers as loud as they possibly can. So if you
Speaker 1: hear that in the background, hopefully at some point there
Speaker 1: gasoline will run out in their leaf blowers. But I'm
Speaker 1: excited to be here. I'm gonna be doing a speech
Speaker 1: right after. It's gonna be fun. Obviously, Knoxville is an
Speaker 1: awesome place. We've got a big audience all over the place,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people up here are fans, and
Speaker 1: so we're having a good time. Buck. Today, huge numbers
Speaker 1: of our audience will be watching something that you had
Speaker 1: no idea was going on until I'm about to say it.
Speaker 1: Right now, the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin is underway.
Speaker 1: I will be watching this tonight along with probably twenty
Speaker 1: million or so other people, many of whom are listening
Speaker 1: to us right now. I believe Green Bay is one
Speaker 1: of our newest affiliates, if I'm not mistaken. So we
Speaker 1: appreciate all of you up there in Cheddarland. We were
Speaker 1: already very popular in the state of Wisconsin, and we've
Speaker 1: had a lot of awesome friends that we've made in
Speaker 1: that state over the past several years. But that should
Speaker 1: be an awesome scene now, a bunch of different stories
Speaker 1: that are out there. Let me give you a little
Speaker 1: bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. Dana Perino,
Speaker 1: who for my money, may be the nicest person in
Speaker 1: all of media. That is the standard that I think
Speaker 1: she might well be able to win. It's a tough standard.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of super nice people, but Dana Perino,
Speaker 1: who many of you watch at America's newsroom every day
Speaker 1: on Fox News with Bill h Or, will be on
Speaker 1: with us at one and then I think this is
Speaker 1: going to be incredible. I'm super excited for this. Doctor
Speaker 1: Larry arn the president of Hillsdale College. They had a
Speaker 1: fabulous interview with him in the Saturday Sunday edition, the
Speaker 1: weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal. And there's been
Speaker 1: so much discussion about Harvard suing the Trump administration over
Speaker 1: what the Trump administration is focused on there, and they
Speaker 1: actually have a really good argument that is Hillsdale and
Speaker 1: Larry are due. They said, Hey, the reason we don't
Speaker 1: take federal dollars is because we want complete independence. When
Speaker 1: you take taxpayer money, you are giving up complete independence.
Speaker 1: Why can't Harvard, with a fifty three billion dollar endowment
Speaker 1: just say thanks, but no thanks US federal government. We're
Speaker 1: concerned about our ability to have complete freedom when it
Speaker 1: comes to teaching as we see fit and running the
Speaker 1: university as we see fit. Well, the President is quite
Speaker 1: clear when you are allowing federal tax dollars to be used,
Speaker 1: you don't get that complete freedom. We'll dive into that
Speaker 1: with him. I think you guys are really going to
Speaker 1: enjoy it. But Buck, yesterday, I got a lot of
Speaker 1: feedback from moms and dads out there who were listening
Speaker 1: to us talk about the books that were being read
Speaker 1: in Montgomery County schools, and honestly, even I was, I
Speaker 1: knew that there were like kind of edgy books that
Speaker 1: were being pushed. I went back after we talked yesterday,
Speaker 1: book Buck and looked at these books even more. The
Speaker 1: fact that this has gone all the way to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, that parents would be saying, hey, we need
Speaker 1: to object to what are being read to our five
Speaker 1: year olds and our six year olds at story time
Speaker 1: is I think emblematic of the country just losing its way.
Speaker 1: And not only that, I went back and read more
Speaker 1: and studied on the Supreme Court discussion surrounding this case,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't stop focusing Buck on Katanji Brown Jackson
Speaker 1: and the arrogance. We may end up with a couple
Speaker 1: of cuts from her the questions that she asked she
Speaker 1: her defense of these books being read to five year
Speaker 1: olds that tell you, hey, if you believe you're a
Speaker 1: boy and you're a girl, you're right and your parents
Speaker 1: should treat you that way. And sometimes we end up
Speaker 1: in situations where people get the gender wrong, meaning when
Speaker 1: you are born, a doctor in the nursing room, in
Speaker 1: the delivery room is unclear of whether you're a boy
Speaker 1: or a girl. This is what's being read to them.
Speaker 1: Kataji Brown Jackson said, well, if you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you should just switch schools. This was her actual take.
Speaker 1: Listen to this, I.
Speaker 2: Guess I'm struggling to see how it burdens a parent's
Speaker 2: religious exercise. If the school teaches something that the parent
Speaker 2: disagrees with, you have a choice. You don't have to
Speaker 2: send your kid to that school. You can put them
Speaker 2: in another situation.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most arrogant things I have seen, argued.
Speaker 1: I would bet ninety five percent of the people that
Speaker 1: are listening to us right now don't have great options
Speaker 1: when it comes to just pulling your kid out of
Speaker 1: your local public school. And so for her defense of
Speaker 1: this buck to be well, if you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you should just go to a new school. First of all,
Speaker 1: they oppose school choice by and large. But second, it's
Speaker 1: one of the most arrogant arguments I have heard, that
Speaker 1: you should just change your public school. Of course, and
Speaker 1: what you see here is the continuation of this argument
Speaker 1: from the left that they aren't doing indoctrination and in
Speaker 1: a sense, a secular religious training with all this transgender
Speaker 1: delusional nonsense. Right, they've managed to try to kick God
Speaker 1: and faith out of public schools and replace it with
Speaker 1: this Marxist credo of insanity. And this is why they
Speaker 1: push the stuff that they do as hard as they do.
Speaker 1: This is the big question I think, Clay, we kept
Speaker 1: returning to yesterday. Why is this so important to them?
Speaker 1: It's clearly very important, so much so that they are
Speaker 1: willing to look at parents, well, sometimes look at parents
Speaker 1: in the eyes and say, yes, your kid needs to
Speaker 1: learn that doctors get the gender wrong at birth, like
Speaker 1: we think your kids need to be read that in schools.
Speaker 1: It is completely nuts. But it also goes to one
Speaker 1: of the great things I think about the Trump administration
Speaker 1: right now and one of the reasons why the left
Speaker 1: hates it so much. And the more they despise either
Speaker 1: a person or a policy, the more important I think
Speaker 1: we all recognize it to be. And that is, Clay,
Speaker 1: the forever regime, which is what the Democrats had set
Speaker 1: up for really, certainly the last twenty years or so,
Speaker 1: the forever regime of the deep state, people within the
Speaker 1: federal bureaucracy who are pushing in left wing agenda. The
Speaker 1: universities which have become completely political monocultures of left wing madness, media.
Speaker 1: All these things together allow them to assert control at
Speaker 1: different levels of society even if they lose an election.
Speaker 1: Trump is going after that, and I think it's critical
Speaker 1: that we see that for what it is. He is
Speaker 1: going into the kitchen of the enemy and saying you
Speaker 1: don't get to just cook whatever you want and call
Speaker 1: the shots anymore. And that's really shaking them up. That's
Speaker 1: beyond just what is Congress going to do? What executive
Speaker 1: orders are out there. So I think that we're seeing,
Speaker 1: finally after many years of saying, when are we going
Speaker 1: to take on the universities, When are we going to
Speaker 1: start to enforce civil rights law in a way that
Speaker 1: is advantage, let's just be honest, advantaging conservative and Republican
Speaker 1: and right wing points of view. This has been a
Speaker 1: long time coming, and I think it's fantastic. And I
Speaker 1: think that the fact that they're still trying to push
Speaker 1: this transgender nonsense on the kids in school just shows
Speaker 1: you how completely bonkers they are, unrepentantly nuts. What I
Speaker 1: said yesterday, Claiy, I sorry, I know I'm ranty, hear,
Speaker 1: but what I said yesterday, if they could force your
Speaker 1: kids to learn this stuff or else they would do
Speaker 1: so and we all know it, meaning that they would
Speaker 1: mandate this stuff if they could get away with it
Speaker 1: nation I'm talking nationwide, not just in one school district.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a elementary school in read
Speaker 1: books to kids new in the dad game? So it
Speaker 1: would not surprise me if you haven't. I volunteered at
Speaker 1: an underserved DC public school in a program a few
Speaker 1: times too. But I would think they were like ninth graders.
Speaker 1: I would hopefully you weren't reading books to them, but
Speaker 1: which would be very funny. But so I have helped.
Speaker 1: I was helping. It was like a homework help program.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think of this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have been to multiple schools over the years, and I
Speaker 1: bet a lot of you with young kids, grandparents maybe
Speaker 1: as well, have been and gotten to sit in front
Speaker 1: of the kids and read books. And my recollection is
Speaker 1: that when I've done it, the teacher and the teachers
Speaker 1: have all been fantastic, have said, hey, we've got two
Speaker 1: or three books that you can choose from. If I
Speaker 1: brought a book like that in, if they had said, hey, Clay,
Speaker 1: you know you're reading for kindergarteners today. You can pick
Speaker 1: any book. I would see that as a direct attack
Speaker 1: in some way on the school district and on the kids.
Speaker 1: If I walked in with those books that we were
Speaker 1: talking about yesterday and tried to sit down and read it,
Speaker 1: not only would it be inappropriate wildly, but it would
Speaker 1: actually to me be an assault on the school itself
Speaker 1: and on those kids, because there are ages. And this
Speaker 1: is why I think it's a wild book. This case
Speaker 1: brings together Muslim, Jewish and Christian parents who said this
Speaker 1: is unacceptable. And I think everybody out there five six,
Speaker 1: seven year old kids, eight year old, what are you
Speaker 1: doing teaching gender ideology? To them? It's actually sinister and
Speaker 1: it's nasty, and to me, it's diabolical. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is close to evil. And what you see. What you
Speaker 1: see is that they, and this has always been true
Speaker 1: of a lot of this gender cult stuff, they want
Speaker 1: as many people as possible to be subjected to it
Speaker 1: and involved in it, because then you've been a part
Speaker 1: of the process. This is one of the things that
Speaker 1: you saw also with COVID. I might just add they
Speaker 1: wanted you to police your neighbors. They wanted you to
Speaker 1: be shouting at people to mask up. They wanted you
Speaker 1: to be one of the useful idiots in that process,
Speaker 1: because then you're invested in the perpetuation of that system.
Speaker 1: Any adult, any teacher, anyone who shows up at one
Speaker 1: of these meetings in defense of this stuff is going
Speaker 1: to be very hard, and especially if it's a parent
Speaker 1: who has pushed for this for their children, very hard
Speaker 1: to get them to see the light and understand how
Speaker 1: bad this is down the line. So they want to
Speaker 1: push it as fast as they can, as aggressively as
Speaker 1: the head because it's building the roster, if you will.
Speaker 1: It's like forcing recruits onto their side, which is obviously
Speaker 1: at the heart of what they're doing with these kids
Speaker 1: as well. But it is essentially a secular I mean,
Speaker 1: a secular religion of sorts is what they are pushing.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's another experiment. You could go on Clay.
Speaker 1: What if you said, okay, fun, we're you know, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with my school district greeting this stuff. But also
Speaker 1: we're going to have some conservative children's books in there
Speaker 1: that say that boys are boys and girls are girls,
Speaker 1: and people that have, you know, problems in their head
Speaker 1: should go see adults and speak to them about it
Speaker 1: and not expect everybody to cater to them. Would that
Speaker 1: be okay? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And look, there are so many amazing kids books that
Speaker 1: you can chew. It's not as if there aren't six
Speaker 1: hundred one thousand Newberry I think is the award winning
Speaker 1: children's books. It's actually I would imagine for a lot
Speaker 1: of you who have been elementary school kids tough I
Speaker 1: mean teachers to pick. If I ask you right now,
Speaker 1: what are books that you just have a you have
Speaker 1: a fond memory of from your I'm talking your childhood too.
Speaker 1: I'm talking third I remember, I remember all the way
Speaker 1: back to the Very Hungry Caterpillar. Some of you probably
Speaker 1: remember that one class James and the Giant Peach, where
Speaker 1: the wild things are, the wind in the willows, the hobbit.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back, you think about that, Clay like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do the same thing, right. You
Speaker 1: go back, you think, oh, well, you're talking about being
Speaker 1: what an eight year old? So we're going back almost
Speaker 1: almost uh what forty you know, thirty forty years and
Speaker 1: you remember those books. That's the kind of influence they
Speaker 1: had on your thinking at that time in those formative years.
Speaker 1: The Communists know this. This is their little this is
Speaker 1: their little red book of gender madness that they're making
Speaker 1: teachers and kids hold up and pledge allegiance to in
Speaker 1: these schools. And that's why Catangi Brown Jackson is she'll
Speaker 1: make any argument to keep this stuff, any argument. I
Speaker 1: want to say one positive thing. I mentioned this yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how many of you are familiar
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Speaker 1: We were signed up for this for our kids and
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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app. And we bring in now doctor Larry
Speaker 1: Arn of Hillsdale College, and speaking of ways to get
Speaker 1: your message out, Hillsdale has been phenomenal at getting the
Speaker 1: message out about everything that they are doing. And I
Speaker 1: had a good fortune to get to sit next to
Speaker 1: doctor Larry Arn at a Seattle, Washington area Hillsdale College
Speaker 1: event and I read over the weekend a great weekend
Speaker 1: interview with you, doctor Arn. Given all the controversy surrounding
Speaker 1: Harvard and federal funding of universities and colleges out there,
Speaker 1: you had a really good argument. I want to let
Speaker 1: you make it for our audience. The reason Hillsdale doesn't
Speaker 1: take federal dollars is to be completely independent. Harvard has
Speaker 1: fifty three billion dollars in the endowment. Why can't Harvard
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we don't need any of this federal
Speaker 1: government money. We want to instruct in the best way
Speaker 1: that Harvard feels possible. That seems like a pretty good
Speaker 1: case to me. And you guys have done it at Hillsdale.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much. You're a sports gun. I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed talking to you that I didn't enjoyed your
Speaker 4: speech very much. Yeah. So we live in what we
Speaker 4: think of as a liberal society. That means free, That
Speaker 4: means a lot of things have to go on in
Speaker 4: the society so that it can control the government. And
Speaker 4: if the government in detail manages education, including higher education,
Speaker 4: then the society loses its independence. And you know Harvard,
Speaker 4: which gets a lot of money from the government, I
Speaker 4: mean billions, they are living under hundreds of pages of
Speaker 4: detailed rules and they probably be better off of that them.
Speaker 4: But now they've met some rules they don't like. I
Speaker 4: don't scream, don't let the students scream dirty two at
Speaker 4: each other, and they are rebelling about that, and that's
Speaker 4: you know, they're in an interesting spot, aren't they.
Speaker 1: They're not the only ones either, doctor, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: being with us. There are a number of schools Columbia University,
Speaker 1: I could rattle off a few more if I thought
Speaker 1: about it, but some pretty big name educational institutions out
Speaker 1: there that have gotten on the wrong side of the
Speaker 1: Trump administration and therefore the federal government on some of
Speaker 1: these issues. Do you think that their plan is to
Speaker 1: just try to batten down the hatches and ride it
Speaker 1: out and keep doing what they've been doing, Because in
Speaker 1: the case of admissions, for example, a Supreme Court has
Speaker 1: been quite clear that some of these institutions have been
Speaker 1: engaged in unconstitutional discrimination in their educational practice and admissions practices,
Speaker 1: and yet the understanding seems to be they're just going
Speaker 1: to keep doing it and get federal dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something really bad about that. I mean, first
Speaker 4: of all, these the institutions we're talking about are some
Speaker 4: of the greatest universities in the world. Harvard is the
Speaker 4: oldest in our country, and it has been a treasure
Speaker 4: for a very long time, and it's still a very
Speaker 4: elite place. But they got wedded to the idea that
Speaker 4: what color you are is some vital characteristic in your
Speaker 4: qualification to be a student. And that's just wrong. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's bad philosophy. It undercuts the whole understanding of the
Speaker 4: academic task, and as you point out, it's unconstitutional in
Speaker 4: a nation devoted to all men are created equal. So
Speaker 4: there's you know there, and they are stubborn about it.
Speaker 4: It's deeply ingrained. It was amazing to me a year
Speaker 4: ago in the spring that they were having these demonstrations
Speaker 4: in favor of Hamas and you know, River to the Sea,
Speaker 4: and they were oppressing Jewish kids, I mean, abusing them
Speaker 4: and spitting on them, and some of them were assaulted physically,
Speaker 4: and they were certainly terrorized and they couldn't stop it.
Speaker 4: And in Columbia they suspended class. At Harvard there were
Speaker 4: major disruptions, and I thought, at some point, these places
Speaker 4: are run by people who are in broad agreement with
Speaker 4: each other. At some point you'd think they'd say, this
Speaker 4: is embarrassing. We should go back to class. That's what
Speaker 4: we're here to do. And they couldn't do it, and
Speaker 4: that's just you know, sad. It was. It made me sad,
Speaker 4: also surprised. And you know, they've they've got some problems.
Speaker 4: Now they are addressing those problems, they say, and I
Speaker 4: sometimes doubt their capacity to do that. And the Trump
Speaker 4: administration is demanding certain monitoring of them, and that's what
Speaker 4: they're kicking about and rebelling, and the Harvard is to
Speaker 4: the government, and it's going to be a big legal fight,
Speaker 4: and you know, but think of the outcome if they win.
Speaker 4: It would mean that they're entitled to the money that
Speaker 4: you can't stop it on the ground that they are
Speaker 4: discriminating and oppressing people because of their race and religion,
Speaker 4: and you know, and the government may not monitor that well.
Speaker 4: At the beginning of the show, you said, what I
Speaker 4: think is the actual solution. We need to decentralize very
Speaker 4: many things in America. There's way too many rules coming
Speaker 4: from the top and making a uniform administrative system all
Speaker 4: over every kind of industry all over the place. And
Speaker 4: colleges should be funded in a wide diversity of ways.
Speaker 4: You know, there's like really rich people in America, and
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of them give money to Harvard
Speaker 4: and a lot don't. Well, the thing is those rich
Speaker 4: people disagree with each other. And so if it's the government,
Speaker 4: it's a uniform rule for everybody, and you have to
Speaker 4: have that some but you don't have to have that
Speaker 4: so comprehensively, and especially affecting something sensitive like education, which
Speaker 4: is you know where what college is actually for is
Speaker 4: for young people to go and go into excellent human
Speaker 4: beings and intellect and character, and the definition of that
Speaker 4: is human, and that means Jews and Arabs should both
Speaker 4: aim for that, and the institutions of higher education should
Speaker 4: have practices and standards so that everybody pursues that and
Speaker 4: does it together. The word college means partnership. So they've
Speaker 4: lost their way in my opinion, and I hope they
Speaker 4: find it, but they're fighting very hard not to do it.
Speaker 1: Not to do it, Doctor Larry Arne with us right now.
Speaker 1: If Hillsdale College fabulous school, got kids out there, not
Speaker 1: a bad place to consider applying. I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: right now, doctor Arne. Basically I can see the University
Speaker 1: of Tennessee campus nearly from where I'm broadcasting. I'm curious
Speaker 1: how you would analyze this in your career as an educator.
Speaker 1: It used to be that people look down on big
Speaker 1: state schools in the South Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas,
Speaker 1: whatever school you want to use in the Southeastern Conference region.
Speaker 1: Now I hear all the time, and I bet you
Speaker 1: do as well. For Hillsdale applications. People in New York,
Speaker 1: LA Chicago who would have said in the past, Oh,
Speaker 1: I would never send my school, my son or daughter
Speaker 1: to the University of Alabama or the University of Mississippi
Speaker 1: bragging about their kids going to SEC schools because what
Speaker 1: you just referenced, these protests, they didn't stand for them
Speaker 1: in the South. They didn't stand for a tacking Jewish people.
Speaker 1: In the wake of October seventh, what does it say
Speaker 1: about the cultural shift in our landscape that big state
Speaker 1: schools in the South are suddenly desirable across the country
Speaker 1: and small schools like yours in Michigan that are independent
Speaker 1: and classically committed to education are surging in popularity, while
Speaker 1: places like Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Stanford that maybe in the
Speaker 1: past have been the absolute paragonds of academic achievement seem
Speaker 1: to be declining. What does that tell us?
Speaker 4: And that's something and you know that has to do
Speaker 4: with the politics of those states. You know, Hills Dealth
Speaker 4: the special case because we don't take anybody from the government,
Speaker 4: and we're old and committed to certain things that we've
Speaker 4: been committed to for one hundred and eighty two years.
Speaker 4: But those you know in the state like Tennessee or Arkansas.
Speaker 4: I'm from Arkansas, you know, the government and several state legislatures,
Speaker 4: including in Tennessee, have set up centers in those places
Speaker 4: where friends of mine are teaching now and they, you know,
Speaker 4: make sure they're sane. But the general climate of those
Speaker 4: places is not.
Speaker 2: So what.
Speaker 4: The most elite places in America and that it's not
Speaker 4: just in higher end. It's the Ivy League, but it's journalism,
Speaker 4: it's the government, it's big corporations. They look at the
Speaker 4: world as sort of an engineering project, and we're going
Speaker 4: to remake the world. And so they don't, you know,
Speaker 4: they've they've got very unusual views about a family and sex.
Speaker 4: And it turns out that what's going on in America
Speaker 4: is that's not working with lots of people like you
Speaker 4: know why you know, we we we you know. I
Speaker 4: think people want to get married and have kids because
Speaker 4: it makes your life richer and it's cool and it's hard.
Speaker 4: But if you do that, what do you think about
Speaker 4: the kids? What do you want them to become? They
Speaker 4: are produced by a relationship and a sacrifice that parents
Speaker 4: make for decades, and so they don't want their kids
Speaker 4: sex changed without their permission. They don't want their kids
Speaker 4: taught that human nature is just a convention and we
Speaker 4: can re engineer it.
Speaker 1: And so there's doctor Arc. Can I just jump in
Speaker 1: really quickly to ask, because this is what I was
Speaker 1: going to take you anyway, you're talking about the kids
Speaker 1: and what they're being taught. I'm sure you saw the
Speaker 1: arguments before the Supreme Court. We were talking about it
Speaker 1: on the show What is going on in education? Where
Speaker 1: they want to read these very explicit and very trans
Speaker 1: agenda focused books to very small children and this is widespread?
Speaker 1: Where what is this? Where does this come from?
Speaker 4: Well? It's you know, first of all, the intellectual roots
Speaker 4: of this movement are old, right, that's you know, they
Speaker 4: became explicit in nineteenth century German historicism, and they came
Speaker 4: into America through a movement called aggressivism that's still with
Speaker 4: us today. People use that word still today. But what
Speaker 4: did they think? What they thought was there isn't a
Speaker 4: thing like human nature. That word nature is a very
Speaker 4: interesting word and it means a lot of things, but
Speaker 4: it starts with the Latin word for birth, how we
Speaker 4: come to be and grow, and what we're like when
Speaker 4: we're grown. But now no, it's not that so much.
Speaker 4: Now what we have is the idea that we understand
Speaker 4: a historical process that is liberating us and changing everything.
Speaker 4: And because we have modern science, we can get control
Speaker 4: of the process and we can re engineer even ourselves.
Speaker 4: And so of course then the family has to be
Speaker 4: a target of that, and race is a target of that,
Speaker 4: and in some versions of it, you know, like the
Speaker 4: difference between Nazism and Communism is only one thing. Nazism
Speaker 4: is mostly about race. Munism is mostly about property and money.
Speaker 4: And the Nazism thinks if you've got the right genes,
Speaker 4: you're a superior being. And Communism thinks you are formed
Speaker 4: by what you do for a living and how you work.
Speaker 4: And if you've got a lot of money, you're in
Speaker 4: one class, and if you don't hear in another. And
Speaker 4: there's a and we have to transcend all that, we
Speaker 4: have to overcome private property. And what the Nazis think is,
Speaker 4: you know, if you've got the right blood, then you're superior. Now,
Speaker 4: what's interesting about both of those doctrines, because their materialist doctrines,
Speaker 4: what they do is upset that the idea that any
Speaker 4: human child can come to know things objectively. That's you know,
Speaker 4: and human freedom hinges on that argument, which is a
Speaker 4: classical argument and a religious argument. And all of the colleges,
Speaker 4: any college of any age, Hillsdale College, Harvard is the
Speaker 4: oldest one in America. They were all founded on that
Speaker 4: idea that there's something a spark in the human being
Speaker 4: that transcends his body, includes his body, and transcends his body,
Speaker 4: that makes it possible for him to learn objectively. And
Speaker 4: if that and see, what's interesting about discarding that argument
Speaker 4: is that you've discarded all the basis of reasoning. In
Speaker 4: other words, if the Nazis are right or the Communists,
Speaker 4: they can't have objective knowledge of anything, say, because they're own.
Speaker 4: They're just creatures of some material condition that drives them.
Speaker 4: And you know in those documents that those doctrines are
Speaker 4: very prevalent in the world. They have led to two
Speaker 4: great world wars. You know, tens of millions of people
Speaker 4: killed over them. So what you should do in a
Speaker 4: college is study them, understand them, and understand the all alternative,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, we study those things at Hillteale College,
Speaker 4: but also we study the classics, right, and and then
Speaker 4: you've become armed with a way to understand things to
Speaker 4: let you evaluate the world. And see, that's Another thing
Speaker 4: about these Ivy League colleges. I noticed in the last
Speaker 4: three year ago last spring that when they were demonstrating
Speaker 4: about hamas and anti Jews, they would interview these kids
Speaker 4: and they didn't really seem to know very much about it.
Speaker 4: You know, they've just got doctrine and they want their
Speaker 4: way right now. But aren't they really there to learn?
Speaker 4: Like it's you know, it's a very interesting question, which
Speaker 4: you know, turns out I work for a great history
Speaker 4: and who wrote about this? Do the Jews modern Israel
Speaker 4: have a right to the land on which it is? Well,
Speaker 4: first of all, that's a that's a history that goes back.
Speaker 4: You know, Israel was how to nineteen forty eight? How
Speaker 4: did that happen? Where did that come from? Who decided it? Right?
Speaker 4: In other words, there's a rich world of stuff to
Speaker 4: figure out about that, and I know, Dr Arn, they're
Speaker 4: doing it. Harvard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that. We have to
Speaker 1: go to a commercial break. I feel like we could
Speaker 1: just have you on talking for hours and it would
Speaker 1: be phenomenal. We need to have a longer form conversation
Speaker 1: at some point with you. In the meantime, if your
Speaker 1: kids are applying to colleges. I would suggest you could
Speaker 1: do way worse than Hillsdale. Sir. We appreciate the time,
Speaker 1: and I encourage people to go read that Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal piece, which I thought really elucidated some very interesting
Speaker 1: and intelligent arguments as it pertains to academic freedom. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Doctor Arnold. Was great to spend time with you in Seattle.
Speaker 4: Thank you both.
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Speaker 3: News and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got the market
Speaker 1: doing pretty well today, which I think goes to some
Speaker 1: of the anxiety that the media is trying to create
Speaker 1: about the Trump economy. So that's one thing that I
Speaker 1: think we can at least take a moment here and
Speaker 1: look at. But Clay, you know the Trump there's other
Speaker 1: negotiations happening, not just on tariffs and the economy, but
Speaker 1: on Russia and Ukraine. Now there's some reporting that came
Speaker 1: out Senator Marker, I'm sorry. Secretary of State Marco Rubio
Speaker 1: has said that the reporting is total trash, that they
Speaker 1: basically saying that they were willing to give all kinds
Speaker 1: of concessions to Russia, and they're trying to take a
Speaker 1: shot at the Trump team that is negotiating with Putin,
Speaker 1: there was some there were some major strikes rocket rocket
Speaker 1: attack against Kiev or Kiev we're supposed to say like
Speaker 1: different ways, right, but keev that have killed a number
Speaker 1: of people at Trump is ticked off about this. He
Speaker 1: has been sounding the well sounding not the alarm so
Speaker 1: much as just letting people know that letting Putin know
Speaker 1: this is unacceptable to him. But there's also frustration with
Speaker 1: the Zelenski side of thing, clay because there's reporting that
Speaker 1: Zelenski does not want to give up officially Crimea, which
Speaker 1: has been under Russian control and has been a part
Speaker 1: of a fully functioned part of the Russian Federation now
Speaker 1: for many years before this administration even came along. It
Speaker 1: goes goes back to the Obama administration. So here is
Speaker 1: Caroline Levit, White House Press Secretary, talking about this plate seventeen.
Speaker 5: In order to make a good deal, both sides have
Speaker 5: to walk away a little bit unhappy, and unfortunately President
Speaker 5: Zelensky has been trying to litigate this peace negotiation negotiation
Speaker 5: in the press, and that's unacceptable to the president. These
Speaker 5: should be closed door negotiations. The President's national security team,
Speaker 5: his advisors, has exuded significant time, energy and effort to
Speaker 5: try to bring this war to an end. The American
Speaker 5: taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort, and
Speaker 5: enough is enough. The Presidence frustrated. His patience is running
Speaker 5: very thin. He wants to do what's right for the world.
Speaker 5: He wants to see peace, he wants to see the
Speaker 5: killing stop. But you need both sides of the war
Speaker 5: willing to do that, and unfortunately President Zelensky seems to
Speaker 5: be moving in the wrong drug.
Speaker 1: It's not looking great for the negotiations right now. Let's
Speaker 1: just say what's going on here, Clay. It's still early,
Speaker 1: but it's looking like this is there's a distance between
Speaker 1: the combatants on what a negotiation would look like. And
Speaker 1: Trump is getting frustrated with both sides. I think that's right.
Speaker 1: And here's what we told you. This is how this ends.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a new line drawn. You can argue
Speaker 1: about it, however you want to argue about it. I
Speaker 1: failed to see at this point, and I would love
Speaker 1: to have Zelensky on. I'd love to have putin on
Speaker 1: what is the point of continuing to fight? We essentially
Speaker 1: have both sides dug in. The lines are not moving
Speaker 1: very much to the extent that they are moving. It
Speaker 1: is a slowly inch by inch, yard by yard style
Speaker 1: advancement from Russia. Ukraine has depleted significantly. One thing they
Speaker 1: decided to do Buck And I don't know that we've
Speaker 1: talked about it that much on the program, but based
Speaker 1: on the lessons of World War One and World War Two,
Speaker 1: they actually have tried to not take eighteen to twenty
Speaker 1: five year old men to fight, because when an eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty five year old man dies, most of the
Speaker 1: time those men have not had kids yet. It's very
Speaker 1: sad to think about, but that wiped out entire generations
Speaker 1: of population in Europe because so many young men who
Speaker 1: had not become fathers were the first to be drafted.
Speaker 1: And Ukraine in some way is balancing that out by
Speaker 1: basically taking men twenty five to forty five, of which
Speaker 1: there are almost none left. And what is the play here?
Speaker 1: I really think that media need to be holding Vladimir
Speaker 1: Zolensky accountable here. And I don't mean because I think
Speaker 1: he's the bad guy in any way. I think Russia
Speaker 1: is the aggressor. We all know that. But what is
Speaker 1: Zolensky hoping for at this point? What are his strategic
Speaker 1: goals and ambitions. It doesn't seem to me like there
Speaker 1: are any buck I mean, can you even what is
Speaker 1: he trying to get. He's not going to get NATO,
Speaker 1: He's not going to get the return of the border
Speaker 1: that existed prior to Russia's invasion. What are his reachable
Speaker 1: goals at this point, now that tens of thousands, if
Speaker 1: not hundreds of thousands of his fellow countrymen are dead.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why the war's continuing. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that in his mind, the perpetuation of the war
Speaker 1: one means that he stays in power. Right, they have
Speaker 1: under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot have elections during a war.
Speaker 1: We've heard this many times. This is why his declar
Speaker 1: martial law. And there's no way that anyone's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to take over from him while that's going on.
Speaker 1: So there's that incentive that I think has to be
Speaker 1: remembered as we're talking about what he seeks to have
Speaker 1: happened here and Clay, I think that there's just it's
Speaker 1: a little bit like the US and Afghanistan, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, where the idea was if we just
Speaker 1: keep this going maybe things will get better, and that
Speaker 1: was not true in Afghanistan. That was not true. I
Speaker 1: was in Afghanistan in twenty ten. Talk about it a
Speaker 1: little bit in the book by the way, And what
Speaker 1: is the title of your book? By the way, what's
Speaker 1: the official title? Have you talked? Or title not official
Speaker 1: or still title not official yet? We're still there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that are getting in place, but it
Speaker 1: will be It's very It is definitely very. It's a
Speaker 1: different vibe than balls. This is gonna be very. Clay
Speaker 1: and I may have books coming out roughly around the
Speaker 1: same time, and Clay's is going to be like very
Speaker 1: was it was. He's gonna be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be very kind of in mind. Is
Speaker 1: gonna be like a guy with a tweet jacket on
Speaker 1: and you know a pipe pipe, you got the you
Speaker 1: got the uh, what's the elbow pads on the tweet jacket? Two?
Speaker 1: So we're going in different directions here on. So that
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But look, I think I think that what you have
Speaker 1: with Afghanistan was a plan that was never going to
Speaker 1: get better, but nobody wanted to be the one that
Speaker 1: stopped it. Nobody wanted to be the one that said,
Speaker 1: you know what, everything that came before this didn't get
Speaker 1: us to where we want to be. It becomes very
Speaker 1: deeply psychologically ingrained. Right, well, if we just keep fighting,
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a better day ahead. So why don't
Speaker 1: we just keep fighting? I think that's where Zelenski is
Speaker 1: on this. And now you could say, rationally, in what world?
Speaker 1: The only one that I can see is if the
Speaker 1: United States and NATO actually get drawn into the conflict
Speaker 1: in some way, which is what we are trying to
Speaker 1: avoid at all costs. Right, But he can't say that publicly, right,
Speaker 1: He can't say that. He can't say, well, if you
Speaker 1: you guys create a protectorate of Ukraine against Russia, then
Speaker 1: we'll get a better deal. I don't see how militarily, though,
Speaker 1: there's any option for him other than that that puts
Speaker 1: him in a better spot. I agree, And it feels
Speaker 1: to me like maybe we're headed towards some perpetually unresolved conflict,
Speaker 1: almost like exists still in North Korea and South Korea
Speaker 1: where they have the de militarized Zone. Both sides have
Speaker 1: substantial facilities on the either side of the de militarized zone.
Speaker 1: But I believe I'm correct. You probably know off the
Speaker 1: top of your head, we've never had an official peace
Speaker 1: in Korea, right. They just basically have kind of ended
Speaker 1: the war, but I think technically they are still considered
Speaker 1: to be in conflict. There was no Grand Peace accord
Speaker 1: that has been signed in technically in a state of
Speaker 1: war at whatever is the thirty eighth parallel. So for
Speaker 1: some part of me thinks that that might end up
Speaker 1: being the resolution In Ukraine. I don't think it's ideal,
Speaker 1: but you have some sort of security guarantee based on
Speaker 1: the mineral Rights agreement that we have discussed, which provides
Speaker 1: Ukraine some belief that the United States will help to
Speaker 1: provide security in addition with all the European countries, and
Speaker 1: then Russia feels like they have this territory. Now you know.
Speaker 1: The real danger to Ukraine, and I felt this all along.
Speaker 1: If you look at the map, is if Russia decides
Speaker 1: to try and take away Ukraine's ability to reach the
Speaker 1: water right there, basically you would landlock them. And they've
Speaker 1: kind of taken away a huge percentage of it through
Speaker 1: Crimea and more. Yes, well, the geography here matters a
Speaker 1: whole lot speaking of water and taking it away. We
Speaker 1: haven't discussed this yet on the show, but you may
Speaker 1: have seen some of the headlines between India and Pakistan,
Speaker 1: two countries that have a long history of really hating
Speaker 1: each other and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other,
Speaker 1: and there was just a major terrorist attack in the
Speaker 1: Kashmir is this disputed region between India and Pakistan, and
Speaker 1: there have been there's a law. We've never really talked
Speaker 1: about this in the show. There's a long history here
Speaker 1: Kashmiri militants, particularly Pakistan likes to train these different terrorist
Speaker 1: groups that operate there in India and that they've been
Speaker 1: going at it here for a long time, firing artillery
Speaker 1: at each other. They're militaries and in some places this
Speaker 1: is you're amazed that human beings are even up as
Speaker 1: high as they are fighting. I mean, this is like
Speaker 1: you think it would just be mountain goats up there.
Speaker 1: I mean they are way up, you know, eight ten thousand,
Speaker 1: twelve thousand feet elevation. They're firing artillery rounds at each
Speaker 1: other and there is now a the the president of
Speaker 1: our Prime Minister of India India has come out and
Speaker 1: said we're going to fight and find the terrorists wherever
Speaker 1: they are. They've cut off water to Pakistan. It's by
Speaker 1: understanding through the Indus River and the entire Pakistani well.
Speaker 1: A huge percentage of the Pakistani workforce is agriculture based,
Speaker 1: and this is not a country that can afford to
Speaker 1: have a lot of its agriculture cut off. So we're
Speaker 1: not even talking about I just made me think of
Speaker 1: this claike. We're not even really focused on this right
Speaker 1: now that much in the in the West. But if
Speaker 1: you're talking about a place, it is far more likely.
Speaker 1: And I hate having to say this out loud, but
Speaker 1: it is true. It is far more likely that you
Speaker 1: would see a major escalation and a nuclear exchange between
Speaker 1: India and Pakistan than anything going on right now in Russia.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, between the United States and Russia, like
Speaker 1: these are two countries where if one side thinks they
Speaker 1: got the upper hand of the other side tackle nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: I think the likelihood of that is higher than any
Speaker 1: feared escalation between the United States and Russia with nukes.
Speaker 1: I think that we've had a long standing, you know,
Speaker 1: daytent with Russia, so union before that, ever, nukes clay
Speaker 1: Indian Pakistan. These countries hate each other. I mean just
Speaker 1: there's a long standing history of these countries are at
Speaker 1: each other's throats. Their entire militaries are basically squared off
Speaker 1: the border from each other between the two countries. So
Speaker 1: think about it that way. And this is why ultimately
Speaker 1: the Iran decision and North Korea and all these other countries, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you understand why they want nukes, and this
Speaker 1: is why I'm not optimistic unfortunately that we're suddenly going
Speaker 1: to get a deal with Iran where we feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, the world's have safer place. It feels
Speaker 1: to me like they're going to lie about everything having
Speaker 1: to do with their nuclear weapons policy because it makes
Speaker 1: sense right logically for them to lie and get them
Speaker 1: just so over knows. India has told all Pakistani nationals
Speaker 1: to they had twenty four hours to get out of
Speaker 1: the country. So they're like, get the bleep out of here.
Speaker 1: This is national pile. This is happening right now. They
Speaker 1: have cut off the waters of the Indus River because
Speaker 1: they have you know, the dams and locks and things.
Speaker 1: They've cut off water, which in which Pakistan, by treaty,
Speaker 1: is supposed to have access to and needs for its agriculture.
Speaker 1: It's a little you know, if this continued, it would
Speaker 1: cut off it would destroy their ability to feed themselves
Speaker 1: the country. So these are big, These are big moves now.
Speaker 1: And Kashmir, I think twenty six people were killed. Twenty
Speaker 1: six India nationals were killed. So there was just a
Speaker 1: mass casualty terror attack in Kashmir. India believes Pakistans, Pakistan
Speaker 1: is behind it. India believes Pakistan's behind it, and India
Speaker 1: is taking really aggressive steps right now. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting how we all get so focused on
Speaker 1: what's going on in this region or that region. This
Speaker 1: is getting barely a mentioned in most of the US media.
Speaker 1: And if you're asking me, where is the likeliest place
Speaker 1: for a really nasty war to break out where both
Speaker 1: sides have nukes and I think would be willing to
Speaker 1: use them under certain circumstances. It's this part of the
Speaker 1: world right now, and no one's even talking about it.
Speaker 1: So you know, Trump's got his handsful. I think Jade
Speaker 1: Vance was just in India this week and we're hoping
Speaker 1: that there's going to be a treaty between or a
Speaker 1: tariff rather agreement between the US and India. I think
Speaker 1: there's early Charlie Gasparino was reporting this morning that there
Speaker 1: looks like there's some agreement on that. So, you know,
Speaker 1: multi are a billion plus person country that's going to
Speaker 1: have a better trade relationship with the US. Seems like
Speaker 1: a very So that's on the positive side of things.
Speaker 1: If JD. Vance were a Democrat, Usha Vance going to
Speaker 1: India would have been a huge story because her family
Speaker 1: is of Indian ancestry. But as is, it got almost
Speaker 1: no attention. Think about how much attention that would have
Speaker 1: gotten otherwise. They almost didn't pay attention to it at all.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a cool segment. They have kids,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a few moments to chat with our
Speaker 1: friend Dana Perino of Fox News. You all know her.
Speaker 1: She's got a book that just came out this week.
Speaker 1: I wish someone had told me the best advice for
Speaker 1: building a great career and a meaningful life. And perhaps
Speaker 1: we will even get her to weigh in on flutes
Speaker 1: versus fifes and other fascinating conversations today on the show, Dana,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 6: Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk
Speaker 6: about the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.
Speaker 1: Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where
Speaker 1: we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me
Speaker 1: that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,
Speaker 1: but now I love the idea. Dana read sports is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of Fox News. I love
Speaker 1: the idea of Dana and Buck try to figure out
Speaker 1: sports related issues, like you guys just with no help,
Speaker 1: just come together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.
Speaker 1: I got a week.
Speaker 6: I really loved the I love watching the NFL Draft
Speaker 6: because I liked watching all the people, like like in
Speaker 6: the families and like their excitement. I think that's so fun.
Speaker 6: And live tweeting the draft is some one of my
Speaker 6: favorite things to do, so I'm gonna make sure I'm
Speaker 6: doing that tonight. Like who wouldn't want to?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want to live in Arizona? That sounds fun.
Speaker 6: They got cute uniforms too.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll just tell you I've actually never seen the draft,
Speaker 1: so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge Clay of
Speaker 1: this exceed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft
Speaker 1: in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.
Speaker 1: Dand tell us about about the book a little bit here.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've had a huge career. You were White
Speaker 1: House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're at the five
Speaker 1: Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's the book telling
Speaker 1: everybody out there?
Speaker 6: So it's called I wish someone had told me the
Speaker 6: best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.
Speaker 6: And I've done a book before called Everything Will Be Okay.
Speaker 6: And actually, I remember you all had just started your
Speaker 6: show together, and when that book came out, you had
Speaker 6: me on and it was such a fun conversation. I
Speaker 6: remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.
Speaker 6: And that book was really targeted to young women going
Speaker 6: through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID
Speaker 6: and it is not geared just to young women. I
Speaker 6: made it much more broad based. And also because I
Speaker 6: have advanced in years since when I left the White House,
Speaker 6: a lot of people that I mentored back then are
Speaker 6: still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,
Speaker 6: moms and dads. They are looking for the next step
Speaker 6: in their life. They're making big career transitions. And so
Speaker 6: I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I
Speaker 6: interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox
Speaker 6: News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,
Speaker 6: Jimmy Fayala, you name it, Darien here, but also like
Speaker 6: my college roommate, my husband and Dirk s Bentley. That's
Speaker 6: why I was thinking. Of of course, I think of Nashville,
Speaker 6: and I mean Clay Travis, Nashville, Dirk Spentley to talk
Speaker 6: to them everything from how to start, how to get
Speaker 6: your foot in the door, how to get a promotion,
Speaker 6: how to be intentional with your time in a work
Speaker 6: life balance, and I know Buck your new dad, and yes,
Speaker 6: sure all of this is I'm sure you'll be able
Speaker 6: to write a book of advice for dads anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Oh would I would love that. But I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, Dana, as I'm talking to you. It's always
Speaker 1: reassuring when I find out that my wife is actually
Speaker 1: listening to the show. And she texted me and says,
Speaker 1: make sure you tell Dana that I got a lot
Speaker 1: out of her book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie
Speaker 1: Sexton is a fan of book one and now will
Speaker 1: be a fan of your most recent book.
Speaker 6: I am sure your your wife is so lovely. Well,
Speaker 6: you know I love hearing that. And one thing I
Speaker 6: did find out, guys, is when Everything will be Okay
Speaker 6: came out, it was a big success. Everybody loved it,
Speaker 6: but they were younger guys, especially around here at Fox
Speaker 6: we're like, what about one for us? And there's an
Speaker 6: insatiable need of young people who they really want to
Speaker 6: be successful, and they're just looking for us to give
Speaker 6: them the blueprint, and we don't have the answers. Of course,
Speaker 6: one of the best things that I've learned and that
Speaker 6: I could pass on is that I really worried away
Speaker 6: my twenties for no reason. I was so trying to
Speaker 6: plan out my life, and everything that happened great in
Speaker 6: my life is not because I planned it. And if
Speaker 6: you are an educated American, you already won life's great lottery.
Speaker 6: And so all you have to decide is how hard
Speaker 6: do you want to work?
Speaker 1: I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.
Speaker 1: I had a perfon at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,
Speaker 1: who has since passed, but he was an incredible business
Speaker 1: professor and his big thing to us when we were
Speaker 1: in law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out
Speaker 1: there that are going to grad school or you're going
Speaker 1: to take the bar exam soon coming up this summer,
Speaker 1: and he said, you are already set. He said, you
Speaker 1: guys have done the hard work of getting into law school.
Speaker 1: He said the question you have to decide going forward
Speaker 1: with your legal careers is how do you want to
Speaker 1: work this law degree? He said, But you're never going
Speaker 1: to be homeless, you're never going to be hungry. The
Speaker 1: big concerns in life you have taken care of, and
Speaker 1: you should think about that more than you do all
Speaker 1: of you. And I thought that perspective was super important,
Speaker 1: and I think it reflects upon what you said where
Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids out there in their twenties.
Speaker 1: They get out of school, they get out of grad school,
Speaker 1: they have these quarterlife crises I had won myself, and
Speaker 1: they wonder what else is out there? And I think
Speaker 1: this is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them,
Speaker 1: is that one you're still going to be trying to
Speaker 1: figure out a lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 1: and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably
Speaker 1: going to be okay.
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,
Speaker 6: and I remember he would talk about the importance of
Speaker 6: not being so risk averse, that America was built on
Speaker 6: people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.
Speaker 6: And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes
Speaker 6: risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But
Speaker 6: because he was able to, he was willing to take
Speaker 6: a risk you can get great reward. And I remember
Speaker 6: I was really hesitant to start my own business after
Speaker 6: I left the White House because I had a million
Speaker 6: reasons that were stupid really looking back. And the President
Speaker 6: said to me, ask yourself this, what is the worst
Speaker 6: thing that could happen to you if it fails? So
Speaker 6: I saw hemden had for a minute and he said,
Speaker 6: so you're telling me the worst thing that could happen
Speaker 6: to you, educated American woman who was the White House
Speaker 6: pres secretary. Start throw within, say it fails, and the
Speaker 6: worst thing you have to do is go back and
Speaker 6: work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing. And
Speaker 6: he said, I'm not persuaded by that. And that's really
Speaker 6: helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman. When
Speaker 6: people are dealing with anxiety, and of course of course
Speaker 6: we all do, and also we're surrounded by young people
Speaker 6: who have a lot of it, you ask yourself, what's
Speaker 6: the worst thing that could happen, and what's the best
Speaker 6: thing that could happen, and usually what happens is somewhere
Speaker 6: in the middle, and it can calm you down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of
Speaker 1: the great Stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.
Speaker 1: It might have been Seneca or it's one of them.
Speaker 1: So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it
Speaker 1: for the twenty first century. But this is very true
Speaker 1: Jackie Waters.
Speaker 6: When I interviewed him for this book. Jesse Waters talks
Speaker 6: about the Stoics as well in this book.
Speaker 1: Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.
Speaker 1: I had no idea fun fact. Jesse doesn't even know this,
Speaker 1: but maybe he was in. I think it was like
Speaker 1: an English one oh one class at Trinity College with
Speaker 1: my older brother at one point, to give your sense
Speaker 1: to what a small world it was. Then Mason transferred
Speaker 1: went to a different school. But yes, Jesse and I
Speaker 1: have been give me the tea. Yeah, Jesse and I have,
Speaker 1: and ship's passing. The Mason assures me he might have
Speaker 1: popped his collar, but he was a very nice guy.
Speaker 1: But yes, we've got Dana Perino with us right now,
Speaker 1: and she's got a new book out which you guys
Speaker 1: should all check out, and her books have been huge
Speaker 1: successes up to this point. So what's uh. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking now for the people out
Speaker 1: there who are going to be grabbing this book, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing that you want them to really take
Speaker 1: out of it today, or rather one thing that they
Speaker 1: would read and you hope that they could apply to
Speaker 1: their lives as soon as possible, Dan, And what would
Speaker 1: that be.
Speaker 6: Well, I think We've covered a lot of it, and
Speaker 6: especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,
Speaker 6: they will realize they don't need to worry as much.
Speaker 6: One of the reasons that you seek out a book
Speaker 6: like this is because you're trying to get some answers
Speaker 6: the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 6: that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.
Speaker 6: Most of the mentees that come to see me, they
Speaker 6: are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are
Speaker 6: looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,
Speaker 6: they want to get married, they want to have families,
Speaker 6: and they want to find a work life balance that
Speaker 6: will allow them to have a great wonderful, meaningful life,
Speaker 6: and my experience was unusual. I met my husband on
Speaker 6: an airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million
Speaker 6: reasons why we might not have met, or that we
Speaker 6: could have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to
Speaker 6: be loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually
Speaker 6: made all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that
Speaker 6: young people can take that away and realize that investing
Speaker 6: in yourself in a commitment is a great way to
Speaker 6: enhance your life and your career.
Speaker 1: I got a great I got to reverse for a second. Here,
Speaker 1: take us into this. This is a this is a
Speaker 1: great story of romance. You met your husband on a plane. Like,
Speaker 1: what was the first move? Here? Did he spill his
Speaker 1: his peanuts or his Seltzer and your lap?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How did you get this going?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go
Speaker 6: in the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody
Speaker 6: had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.
Speaker 6: I was working for a congressman. I was coming back
Speaker 6: from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And
Speaker 6: I was on an American Airlines flight. I almost missed
Speaker 6: the plane because it was my first time driving out
Speaker 6: to the New Denver International Airport, which might as well
Speaker 6: be in Kansas.
Speaker 1: It's so far away, exaccurate.
Speaker 6: And so the last two people to get on the
Speaker 6: plane were myself and this guy. And I sat down
Speaker 6: in the window seat and he said, would you like
Speaker 6: me to put your bag up above? British accent?
Speaker 1: Strong move? I thought, you strong move?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the accents. Accents are helpful, no wedding ring handsome.
Speaker 6: And he had a book called The Tailor of Panama
Speaker 6: by John McCarey. I said, oh, I said, do you
Speaker 6: like that book? So we started talking about books and
Speaker 6: for two and a half hours. We talked for a
Speaker 6: long time. I remember asking him what do people in
Speaker 6: Europe seeking about Bill Clinton? And he said they think
Speaker 6: he's a clown. And I was like, oh, wow, we're
Speaker 6: going to get along great. But then I remember looking
Speaker 6: at the window and saying a prayer to God that
Speaker 6: I know I asked you to help me find someone.
Speaker 6: But he's much older than me. He lives in England.
Speaker 6: I had my career is on the right track. I
Speaker 6: didn't think I would meet somebody on an airplane, but
Speaker 6: I couldn't eat, sleep, drink, concentrate anything. After I met him,
Speaker 6: and about six weeks later we had our first date
Speaker 6: when he was back in the States in New Orleans,
Speaker 6: And six months later I moved to England twenty eight
Speaker 6: years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of curious. Hey, I'm going to move to England.
Speaker 1: I met a guy on an airplane.
Speaker 6: Okay, so you didn't you hit the nail on the
Speaker 6: head of One of the reasons I wrote the book
Speaker 6: because one of the things I worried about in my
Speaker 6: twenties was how am I going to get a job,
Speaker 6: How will I succeed? How will I pay my bills? Then?
Speaker 6: How am I going to meet somebody? How am I
Speaker 6: going to meet some Then? What are people going to
Speaker 6: think about me for wanting to be with this man
Speaker 6: who is much older than me, lives in England, and
Speaker 6: that I'm leaving my job and career to go live
Speaker 6: in England and who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I worried myself to death. And this a woman
Speaker 6: of a family friend that don't give up on this
Speaker 6: chance to be.
Speaker 1: Loved, And there something in their daty. What one superpower
Speaker 1: that I've learned is to not care what people think
Speaker 1: who don't matter to you, you know.
Speaker 6: But you know what it's so interesting is that we
Speaker 6: have to learn this lesson over and over again, because
Speaker 6: your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe
Speaker 6: you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher
Speaker 6: or from other friends. And all of these young people
Speaker 6: are always thinking about what others are thinking about them
Speaker 6: and how they're being judged. And what I remind them
Speaker 6: is that actually we all just think about ourselves all
Speaker 6: the time. Somebody has time to think about you.
Speaker 1: And by the way, especially in a social media age,
Speaker 1: people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived
Speaker 1: than they would have been in the past. Way, can
Speaker 1: I ask her a question that, Dana, do you think that?
Speaker 1: Do you think that women? I'm putting you on the
Speaker 1: hot seat a little bit here? Everybody loves data, Pirno,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna love this book. You're on the hot seat now.
Speaker 1: Do women in this era care too much about men's height?
Speaker 6: Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite
Speaker 6: five foot one, so even Guttfeld is a little tall
Speaker 6: to me. Just kidding. He is not tall to me.
Speaker 6: Woman cares much about height. I mean maybe, I mean
Speaker 6: I know that it's sort of it depends, like I
Speaker 6: don't you don't see.
Speaker 1: A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana, how
Speaker 1: tall is your husband? Let's just let's just go through this.
Speaker 6: About I would say five to ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is like he's like tall but not you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't date like you're not a five to one
Speaker 1: lady who married a six foot five guy. We've had
Speaker 1: some conversations on the show recently about this.
Speaker 6: He's tall for someone from Scotland. How about that?
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Fair enough? Yeah, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: that's just a shot at Scottish men. By the way,
Speaker 1: that you just I wouldn't have been all for someone
Speaker 1: from Scottish men are short? Is this true?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The book, by the way, is fabulous. I have met
Speaker 1: her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken us out.
Speaker 1: He is great, he is fantastic. Well, hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: you're listening to a guy who may get canceled at
Speaker 1: any moment. No idea what might happen from one second
Speaker 1: to the next. The book I wish someone one had
Speaker 1: told and Dana Perino, go buy it. You're gonna like it. Dana.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time you do. Fantastic or til Bir,
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Speaker 1: have Just to be clear, Clay has not told me
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