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Speaker 1: Welcome. In Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, I

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Speaker 1: am live at a minor league baseball stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee. Buck,

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Speaker 1: there is no minor league baseball game going on. There

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Speaker 1: would seem to be no reason whatsoever why three different

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Speaker 1: guys with leaf blowers would need to be on a

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Speaker 1: field with zero leaves. But as I set down to

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Speaker 1: begin this broadcast, my eternal nemesis people with leaf blowers

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Speaker 1: are maybe they're doing this just because they knew I

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Speaker 1: was gonna be broadcasting here. There are three different guys

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Speaker 1: there are no leaves, and they're all blasting their leaf

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Speaker 1: blowers as loud as they possibly can. So if you

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Speaker 1: hear that in the background, hopefully at some point there

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Speaker 1: gasoline will run out in their leaf blowers. But I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to be here. I'm gonna be doing a speech

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Speaker 1: right after. It's gonna be fun. Obviously, Knoxville is an

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Speaker 1: awesome place. We've got a big audience all over the place,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people up here are fans, and

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Speaker 1: so we're having a good time. Buck. Today, huge numbers

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Speaker 1: of our audience will be watching something that you had

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Speaker 1: no idea was going on until I'm about to say it.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin is underway.

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Speaker 1: I will be watching this tonight along with probably twenty

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Speaker 1: million or so other people, many of whom are listening

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Speaker 1: to us right now. I believe Green Bay is one

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Speaker 1: of our newest affiliates, if I'm not mistaken. So we

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Speaker 1: appreciate all of you up there in Cheddarland. We were

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Speaker 1: already very popular in the state of Wisconsin, and we've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of awesome friends that we've made in

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Speaker 1: that state over the past several years. But that should

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Speaker 1: be an awesome scene now, a bunch of different stories

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Speaker 1: that are out there. Let me give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. Dana Perino,

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Speaker 1: who for my money, may be the nicest person in

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Speaker 1: all of media. That is the standard that I think

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Speaker 1: she might well be able to win. It's a tough standard.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of super nice people, but Dana Perino,

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Speaker 1: who many of you watch at America's newsroom every day

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Speaker 1: on Fox News with Bill h Or, will be on

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Speaker 1: with us at one and then I think this is

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Speaker 1: going to be incredible. I'm super excited for this. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Larry arn the president of Hillsdale College. They had a

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Speaker 1: fabulous interview with him in the Saturday Sunday edition, the

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Speaker 1: weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal. And there's been

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Speaker 1: so much discussion about Harvard suing the Trump administration over

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Speaker 1: what the Trump administration is focused on there, and they

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Speaker 1: actually have a really good argument that is Hillsdale and

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Speaker 1: Larry are due. They said, Hey, the reason we don't

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Speaker 1: take federal dollars is because we want complete independence. When

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Speaker 1: you take taxpayer money, you are giving up complete independence.

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Speaker 1: Why can't Harvard, with a fifty three billion dollar endowment

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Speaker 1: just say thanks, but no thanks US federal government. We're

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Speaker 1: concerned about our ability to have complete freedom when it

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Speaker 1: comes to teaching as we see fit and running the

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Speaker 1: university as we see fit. Well, the President is quite

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Speaker 1: clear when you are allowing federal tax dollars to be used,

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Speaker 1: you don't get that complete freedom. We'll dive into that

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Speaker 1: with him. I think you guys are really going to

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. But Buck, yesterday, I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: feedback from moms and dads out there who were listening

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Speaker 1: to us talk about the books that were being read

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Speaker 1: in Montgomery County schools, and honestly, even I was, I

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Speaker 1: knew that there were like kind of edgy books that

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Speaker 1: book Buck and looked at these books even more. The

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Speaker 1: fact that this has gone all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, that parents would be saying, hey, we need

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Speaker 1: And not only that, I went back and read more

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Speaker 1: and the arrogance. We may end up with a couple

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Speaker 1: her defense of these books being read to five year

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Speaker 1: Kataji Brown Jackson said, well, if you don't like it,

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Speaker 1: you should just switch schools. This was her actual take.

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Speaker 2: religious exercise. If the school teaches something that the parent

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Speaker 1: This is one of the most arrogant things I have seen, argued.

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Speaker 1: I would bet ninety five percent of the people that

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Speaker 1: when it comes to just pulling your kid out of

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Speaker 1: your local public school. And so for her defense of

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Speaker 1: you should just go to a new school. First of all,

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Speaker 1: they oppose school choice by and large. But second, it's

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Speaker 1: what you see here is the continuation of this argument

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Speaker 1: from the left that they aren't doing indoctrination and in

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Speaker 1: a sense, a secular religious training with all this transgender

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Speaker 1: delusional nonsense. Right, they've managed to try to kick God

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Speaker 1: This is the big question I think, Clay, we kept

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Speaker 1: It's clearly very important, so much so that they are

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Speaker 1: learn that doctors get the gender wrong at birth, like

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Speaker 1: we think your kids need to be read that in schools.

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Speaker 1: It is completely nuts. But it also goes to one

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Speaker 1: we all recognize it to be. And that is, Clay,

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Speaker 1: the forever regime, which is what the Democrats had set

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Speaker 1: federal bureaucracy who are pushing in left wing agenda. The

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Speaker 1: universities which have become completely political monocultures of left wing madness, media.

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Speaker 1: All these things together allow them to assert control at

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Speaker 1: finally after many years of saying, when are we going

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Speaker 1: you how completely bonkers they are, unrepentantly nuts. What I

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Speaker 1: but what I said yesterday, if they could force your

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Speaker 1: so and we all know it, meaning that they would

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a elementary school in read

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Speaker 1: because then you're invested in the perpetuation of that system.

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Speaker 1: Any adult, any teacher, anyone who shows up at one

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Speaker 1: It's like forcing recruits onto their side, which is obviously

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's another experiment. You could go on Clay.

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Speaker 1: What if you said, okay, fun, we're you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: okay with my school district greeting this stuff. But also

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Speaker 1: we're going to have some conservative children's books in there

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Speaker 1: And look, there are so many amazing kids books that

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Speaker 4: But those you know in the state like Tennessee or Arkansas.

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Speaker 4: including in Tennessee, have set up centers in those places

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Speaker 4: where friends of mine are teaching now and they, you know,

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Speaker 4: make sure they're sane. But the general climate of those

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Speaker 4: places is not.

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Speaker 2: So what.

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Speaker 4: The most elite places in America and that it's not

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Speaker 4: just in higher end. It's the Ivy League, but it's journalism,

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Speaker 4: it's the government, it's big corporations. They look at the

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Speaker 4: world as sort of an engineering project, and we're going

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Speaker 4: to remake the world. And so they don't, you know,

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Speaker 4: they've they've got very unusual views about a family and sex.

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Speaker 4: And it turns out that what's going on in America

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Speaker 4: is that's not working with lots of people like you

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Speaker 4: know why you know, we we we you know. I

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Speaker 4: think people want to get married and have kids because

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Speaker 4: it makes your life richer and it's cool and it's hard.

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Speaker 4: But if you do that, what do you think about

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Speaker 4: the kids? What do you want them to become? They

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Speaker 4: are produced by a relationship and a sacrifice that parents

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Speaker 4: make for decades, and so they don't want their kids

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Speaker 4: sex changed without their permission. They don't want their kids

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Speaker 4: taught that human nature is just a convention and we

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Speaker 1: And so there's doctor Arc. Can I just jump in

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Speaker 1: really quickly to ask, because this is what I was

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Speaker 1: and what they're being taught. I'm sure you saw the

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Speaker 1: arguments before the Supreme Court. We were talking about it

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Speaker 1: on the show What is going on in education? Where

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Speaker 1: they want to read these very explicit and very trans

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Speaker 1: agenda focused books to very small children and this is widespread?

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Speaker 1: Where what is this? Where does this come from?

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Speaker 4: Well? It's you know, first of all, the intellectual roots

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Speaker 4: became explicit in nineteenth century German historicism, and they came

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Speaker 4: into America through a movement called aggressivism that's still with

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Speaker 4: us today. People use that word still today. But what

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Speaker 4: did they think? What they thought was there isn't a

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Speaker 4: thing like human nature. That word nature is a very

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Speaker 4: interesting word and it means a lot of things, but

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Speaker 4: it starts with the Latin word for birth, how we

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Speaker 4: come to be and grow, and what we're like when

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Speaker 4: we're grown. But now no, it's not that so much.

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Speaker 4: Now what we have is the idea that we understand

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Speaker 4: a historical process that is liberating us and changing everything.

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Speaker 4: And because we have modern science, we can get control

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Speaker 4: And so of course then the family has to be

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Speaker 4: a target of that, and race is a target of that,

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Speaker 4: and in some versions of it, you know, like the

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Speaker 4: difference between Nazism and Communism is only one thing. Nazism

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Speaker 4: And the Nazism thinks if you've got the right genes,

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Speaker 4: you're a superior being. And Communism thinks you are formed

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Speaker 4: by what you do for a living and how you work.

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Speaker 4: And if you've got a lot of money, you're in

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Speaker 4: one class, and if you don't hear in another. And

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Speaker 4: there's a and we have to transcend all that, we

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Speaker 4: have to overcome private property. And what the Nazis think is,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you've got the right blood, then you're superior. Now,

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Speaker 4: what's interesting about both of those doctrines, because their materialist doctrines,

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Speaker 4: what they do is upset that the idea that any

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Speaker 4: human child can come to know things objectively. That's you know,

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Speaker 4: and human freedom hinges on that argument, which is a

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Speaker 4: classical argument and a religious argument. And all of the colleges,

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Speaker 4: oldest one in America. They were all founded on that

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Speaker 4: idea that there's something a spark in the human being

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Speaker 4: that makes it possible for him to learn objectively. And

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Speaker 4: if that and see, what's interesting about discarding that argument

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Speaker 4: other words, if the Nazis are right or the Communists,

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Speaker 4: they can't have objective knowledge of anything, say, because they're own.

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Speaker 4: They're just creatures of some material condition that drives them.

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Speaker 4: And you know in those documents that those doctrines are

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Speaker 4: very prevalent in the world. They have led to two

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Speaker 4: great world wars. You know, tens of millions of people

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Speaker 4: killed over them. So what you should do in a

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Speaker 4: college is study them, understand them, and understand the all alternative,

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Speaker 4: which is, you know, we study those things at Hillteale College,

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Speaker 4: but also we study the classics, right, and and then

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Speaker 4: you've become armed with a way to understand things to

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Speaker 4: let you evaluate the world. And see, that's Another thing

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Speaker 4: about these Ivy League colleges. I noticed in the last

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Speaker 4: three year ago last spring that when they were demonstrating

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Speaker 4: about hamas and anti Jews, they would interview these kids

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Speaker 4: and they didn't really seem to know very much about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've just got doctrine and they want their

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Speaker 4: way right now. But aren't they really there to learn?

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Speaker 4: Like it's you know, it's a very interesting question, which

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Speaker 4: you know, turns out I work for a great history

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Speaker 4: and who wrote about this? Do the Jews modern Israel

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Speaker 4: first of all, that's a that's a history that goes back.

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Speaker 4: You know, Israel was how to nineteen forty eight? How

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Speaker 4: did that happen? Where did that come from? Who decided it? Right?

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Speaker 4: In other words, there's a rich world of stuff to

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Speaker 4: figure out about that, and I know, Dr Arn, they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that. We have to

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Speaker 1: go to a commercial break. I feel like we could

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Speaker 1: be phenomenal. We need to have a longer form conversation

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Speaker 1: at some point with you. In the meantime, if your

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Speaker 1: kids are applying to colleges. I would suggest you could

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Speaker 1: do way worse than Hillsdale. Sir. We appreciate the time,

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Speaker 1: and I encourage people to go read that Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal piece, which I thought really elucidated some very interesting

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Speaker 1: and intelligent arguments as it pertains to academic freedom. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Arnold. Was great to spend time with you in Seattle.

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Speaker 4: Thank you both.

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Speaker 1: think we can at least take a moment here and

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Speaker 1: out Senator Marker, I'm sorry. Secretary of State Marco Rubio

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Speaker 1: different ways, right, but keev that have killed a number

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Speaker 1: this is unacceptable to him. But there's also frustration with

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Speaker 1: the Zelenski side of thing, clay because there's reporting that

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Speaker 1: Zelenski does not want to give up officially Crimea, which

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Speaker 1: has been under Russian control and has been a part

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Speaker 1: of a fully functioned part of the Russian Federation now

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Speaker 1: for many years before this administration even came along. It

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Speaker 1: Caroline Levit, White House Press Secretary, talking about this plate seventeen.

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Speaker 5: In order to make a good deal, both sides have

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Speaker 5: to walk away a little bit unhappy, and unfortunately President

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Speaker 5: Zelensky has been trying to litigate this peace negotiation negotiation

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Speaker 5: should be closed door negotiations. The President's national security team,

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Speaker 5: taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort, and

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Speaker 5: enough is enough. The Presidence frustrated. His patience is running

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Speaker 5: very thin. He wants to do what's right for the world.

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Speaker 5: He wants to see peace, he wants to see the

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Speaker 5: willing to do that, and unfortunately President Zelensky seems to

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Speaker 1: It's not looking great for the negotiations right now. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say what's going on here, Clay. It's still early,

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Speaker 1: but it's looking like this is there's a distance between

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Speaker 1: Trump is getting frustrated with both sides. I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: And here's what we told you. This is how this ends.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a new line drawn. You can argue

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Speaker 1: what is the point of continuing to fight? We essentially

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Speaker 1: And Ukraine in some way is balancing that out by

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Speaker 1: basically taking men twenty five to forty five, of which

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Speaker 1: there are almost none left. And what is the play here?

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Speaker 1: I really think that media need to be holding Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Zolensky accountable here. And I don't mean because I think

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Speaker 1: he trying to get. He's not going to get NATO,

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get the return of the border

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Speaker 1: that existed prior to Russia's invasion. What are his reachable

647
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Speaker 1: goals at this point, now that tens of thousands, if

648
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Speaker 1: not hundreds of thousands of his fellow countrymen are dead.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand why the war's continuing. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that in his mind, the perpetuation of the war

651
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Speaker 1: one means that he stays in power. Right, they have

652
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Speaker 1: under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot have elections during a war.

653
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Speaker 1: We've heard this many times. This is why his declar

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Speaker 1: martial law. And there's no way that anyone's gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to take over from him while that's going on.

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Speaker 1: So there's that incentive that I think has to be

657
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Speaker 1: remembered as we're talking about what he seeks to have

658
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Speaker 1: happened here and Clay, I think that there's just it's

659
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Speaker 1: a little bit like the US and Afghanistan, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, where the idea was if we just

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Speaker 1: keep this going maybe things will get better, and that

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Speaker 1: was not true in Afghanistan. That was not true. I

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Speaker 1: was in Afghanistan in twenty ten. Talk about it a

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Speaker 1: little bit in the book by the way, And what

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Speaker 1: is the title of your book? By the way, what's

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Speaker 1: the official title? Have you talked? Or title not official

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Speaker 1: or still title not official yet? We're still there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of things that are getting in place, but it

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Speaker 1: will be It's very It is definitely very. It's a

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Speaker 1: different vibe than balls. This is gonna be very. Clay

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Speaker 1: and I may have books coming out roughly around the

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Speaker 1: same time, and Clay's is going to be like very

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Speaker 1: was it was. He's gonna be a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be very kind of in mind. Is

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Speaker 1: gonna be like a guy with a tweet jacket on

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Speaker 1: and you know a pipe pipe, you got the you

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Speaker 1: got the uh, what's the elbow pads on the tweet jacket? Two?

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Speaker 1: So we're going in different directions here on. So that

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Speaker 1: that's good.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But look, I think I think that what you have

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Speaker 1: with Afghanistan was a plan that was never going to

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Speaker 1: get better, but nobody wanted to be the one that

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Speaker 1: stopped it. Nobody wanted to be the one that said,

685
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Speaker 1: you know what, everything that came before this didn't get

686
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Speaker 1: us to where we want to be. It becomes very

687
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Speaker 1: deeply psychologically ingrained. Right, well, if we just keep fighting,

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Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a better day ahead. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we just keep fighting? I think that's where Zelenski is

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Speaker 1: on this. And now you could say, rationally, in what world?

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Speaker 1: The only one that I can see is if the

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Speaker 1: United States and NATO actually get drawn into the conflict

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Speaker 1: in some way, which is what we are trying to

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Speaker 1: avoid at all costs. Right, But he can't say that publicly, right,

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Speaker 1: He can't say that. He can't say, well, if you

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Speaker 1: you guys create a protectorate of Ukraine against Russia, then

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Speaker 1: we'll get a better deal. I don't see how militarily, though,

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Speaker 1: there's any option for him other than that that puts

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Speaker 1: him in a better spot. I agree, And it feels

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Speaker 1: to me like maybe we're headed towards some perpetually unresolved conflict,

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Speaker 1: almost like exists still in North Korea and South Korea

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Speaker 1: where they have the de militarized Zone. Both sides have

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Speaker 1: substantial facilities on the either side of the de militarized zone.

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Speaker 1: But I believe I'm correct. You probably know off the

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Speaker 1: top of your head, we've never had an official peace

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Speaker 1: in Korea, right. They just basically have kind of ended

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Speaker 1: the war, but I think technically they are still considered

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Speaker 1: to be in conflict. There was no Grand Peace accord

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Speaker 1: that has been signed in technically in a state of

710
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Speaker 1: war at whatever is the thirty eighth parallel. So for

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Speaker 1: some part of me thinks that that might end up

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Speaker 1: being the resolution In Ukraine. I don't think it's ideal,

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Speaker 1: but you have some sort of security guarantee based on

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Speaker 1: the mineral Rights agreement that we have discussed, which provides

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Speaker 1: Ukraine some belief that the United States will help to

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Speaker 1: provide security in addition with all the European countries, and

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Speaker 1: then Russia feels like they have this territory. Now you know.

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Speaker 1: The real danger to Ukraine, and I felt this all along.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the map, is if Russia decides

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Speaker 1: to try and take away Ukraine's ability to reach the

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Speaker 1: water right there, basically you would landlock them. And they've

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Speaker 1: kind of taken away a huge percentage of it through

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Speaker 1: Crimea and more. Yes, well, the geography here matters a

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Speaker 1: whole lot speaking of water and taking it away. We

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Speaker 1: haven't discussed this yet on the show, but you may

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Speaker 1: have seen some of the headlines between India and Pakistan,

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Speaker 1: two countries that have a long history of really hating

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Speaker 1: each other and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other,

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Speaker 1: and there was just a major terrorist attack in the

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Speaker 1: Kashmir is this disputed region between India and Pakistan, and

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Speaker 1: there have been there's a law. We've never really talked

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Speaker 1: about this in the show. There's a long history here

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Speaker 1: Kashmiri militants, particularly Pakistan likes to train these different terrorist

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Speaker 1: groups that operate there in India and that they've been

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Speaker 1: going at it here for a long time, firing artillery

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Speaker 1: at each other. They're militaries and in some places this

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Speaker 1: is you're amazed that human beings are even up as

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Speaker 1: high as they are fighting. I mean, this is like

739
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Speaker 1: you think it would just be mountain goats up there.

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Speaker 1: I mean they are way up, you know, eight ten thousand,

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Speaker 1: twelve thousand feet elevation. They're firing artillery rounds at each

742
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Speaker 1: other and there is now a the the president of

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Speaker 1: our Prime Minister of India India has come out and

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Speaker 1: said we're going to fight and find the terrorists wherever

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Speaker 1: they are. They've cut off water to Pakistan. It's by

746
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Speaker 1: understanding through the Indus River and the entire Pakistani well.

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Speaker 1: A huge percentage of the Pakistani workforce is agriculture based,

748
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Speaker 1: and this is not a country that can afford to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of its agriculture cut off. So we're

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Speaker 1: not even talking about I just made me think of

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Speaker 1: this claike. We're not even really focused on this right

752
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Speaker 1: now that much in the in the West. But if

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a place, it is far more likely.

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Speaker 1: And I hate having to say this out loud, but

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Speaker 1: it is true. It is far more likely that you

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Speaker 1: would see a major escalation and a nuclear exchange between

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Speaker 1: India and Pakistan than anything going on right now in Russia.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, between the United States and Russia, like

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Speaker 1: these are two countries where if one side thinks they

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Speaker 1: got the upper hand of the other side tackle nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: I think the likelihood of that is higher than any

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Speaker 1: feared escalation between the United States and Russia with nukes.

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Speaker 1: I think that we've had a long standing, you know,

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Speaker 1: daytent with Russia, so union before that, ever, nukes clay

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Speaker 1: Indian Pakistan. These countries hate each other. I mean just

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Speaker 1: there's a long standing history of these countries are at

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Speaker 1: each other's throats. Their entire militaries are basically squared off

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Speaker 1: the border from each other between the two countries. So

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Speaker 1: think about it that way. And this is why ultimately

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Speaker 1: the Iran decision and North Korea and all these other countries, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you understand why they want nukes, and this

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Speaker 1: is why I'm not optimistic unfortunately that we're suddenly going

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Speaker 1: to get a deal with Iran where we feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the world's have safer place. It feels

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Speaker 1: to me like they're going to lie about everything having

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Speaker 1: to do with their nuclear weapons policy because it makes

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Speaker 1: sense right logically for them to lie and get them

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Speaker 1: just so over knows. India has told all Pakistani nationals

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Speaker 1: to they had twenty four hours to get out of

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Speaker 1: the country. So they're like, get the bleep out of here.

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Speaker 1: This is national pile. This is happening right now. They

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Speaker 1: have cut off the waters of the Indus River because

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Speaker 1: they have you know, the dams and locks and things.

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Speaker 1: They've cut off water, which in which Pakistan, by treaty,

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Speaker 1: is supposed to have access to and needs for its agriculture.

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Speaker 1: It's a little you know, if this continued, it would

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Speaker 1: cut off it would destroy their ability to feed themselves

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Speaker 1: the country. So these are big, These are big moves now.

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Speaker 1: And Kashmir, I think twenty six people were killed. Twenty

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Speaker 1: six India nationals were killed. So there was just a

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Speaker 1: mass casualty terror attack in Kashmir. India believes Pakistans, Pakistan

792
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Speaker 1: is behind it. India believes Pakistan's behind it, and India

793
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Speaker 1: is taking really aggressive steps right now. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just interesting how we all get so focused on

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Speaker 1: what's going on in this region or that region. This

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Speaker 1: And if you're asking me, where is the likeliest place

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Speaker 1: for a really nasty war to break out where both

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Speaker 1: world right now, and no one's even talking about it.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Trump's got his handsful. I think Jade

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Speaker 1: Vance was just in India this week and we're hoping

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be a treaty between or a

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Speaker 1: there's early Charlie Gasparino was reporting this morning that there

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Speaker 1: looks like there's some agreement on that. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: If JD. Vance were a Democrat, Usha Vance going to

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a cool segment. They have kids,

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Speaker 1: versus fifes and other fascinating conversations today on the show, Dana,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk

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Speaker 6: about the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where

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Speaker 1: we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me

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Speaker 1: that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,

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Speaker 1: but now I love the idea. Dana read sports is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of Fox News. I love

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Speaker 1: the idea of Dana and Buck try to figure out

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Speaker 1: sports related issues, like you guys just with no help,

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Speaker 1: just come together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.

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Speaker 1: I got a week.

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Speaker 6: I really loved the I love watching the NFL Draft

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Speaker 6: because I liked watching all the people, like like in

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Speaker 6: the families and like their excitement. I think that's so fun.

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Speaker 6: And live tweeting the draft is some one of my

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Speaker 6: favorite things to do, so I'm gonna make sure I'm

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Speaker 6: doing that tonight. Like who wouldn't want to?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want to live in Arizona? That sounds fun.

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Speaker 6: They got cute uniforms too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll just tell you I've actually never seen the draft,

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Speaker 1: so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge Clay of

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Speaker 1: this exceed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft

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Speaker 1: in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.

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Speaker 1: Dand tell us about about the book a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've had a huge career. You were White

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Speaker 1: House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're at the five

887
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Speaker 1: Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's the book telling

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Speaker 1: everybody out there?

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Speaker 6: So it's called I wish someone had told me the

890
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Speaker 6: best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.

891
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Speaker 6: And I've done a book before called Everything Will Be Okay.

892
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Speaker 6: And actually, I remember you all had just started your

893
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Speaker 6: show together, and when that book came out, you had

894
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Speaker 6: me on and it was such a fun conversation. I

895
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Speaker 6: remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.

896
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Speaker 6: And that book was really targeted to young women going

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Speaker 6: through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID

898
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Speaker 6: and it is not geared just to young women. I

899
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Speaker 6: made it much more broad based. And also because I

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Speaker 6: have advanced in years since when I left the White House,

901
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Speaker 6: a lot of people that I mentored back then are

902
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Speaker 6: still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,

903
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Speaker 6: moms and dads. They are looking for the next step

904
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Speaker 6: in their life. They're making big career transitions. And so

905
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Speaker 6: I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I

906
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Speaker 6: interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox

907
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Speaker 6: News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,

908
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Speaker 6: Jimmy Fayala, you name it, Darien here, but also like

909
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Speaker 6: my college roommate, my husband and Dirk s Bentley. That's

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Speaker 6: why I was thinking. Of of course, I think of Nashville,

911
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Speaker 6: and I mean Clay Travis, Nashville, Dirk Spentley to talk

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Speaker 6: to them everything from how to start, how to get

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Speaker 6: your foot in the door, how to get a promotion,

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Speaker 6: how to be intentional with your time in a work

915
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Speaker 6: life balance, and I know Buck your new dad, and yes,

916
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Speaker 6: sure all of this is I'm sure you'll be able

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Speaker 6: to write a book of advice for dads anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh would I would love that. But I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you, Dana, as I'm talking to you. It's always

920
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Speaker 1: reassuring when I find out that my wife is actually

921
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Speaker 1: listening to the show. And she texted me and says,

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Speaker 1: make sure you tell Dana that I got a lot

923
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Speaker 1: out of her book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie

924
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Speaker 1: Sexton is a fan of book one and now will

925
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Speaker 1: be a fan of your most recent book.

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Speaker 6: I am sure your your wife is so lovely. Well,

927
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Speaker 6: you know I love hearing that. And one thing I

928
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Speaker 6: did find out, guys, is when Everything will be Okay

929
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Speaker 6: came out, it was a big success. Everybody loved it,

930
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Speaker 6: but they were younger guys, especially around here at Fox

931
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Speaker 6: we're like, what about one for us? And there's an

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Speaker 6: insatiable need of young people who they really want to

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Speaker 6: be successful, and they're just looking for us to give

934
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Speaker 6: them the blueprint, and we don't have the answers. Of course,

935
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Speaker 6: one of the best things that I've learned and that

936
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Speaker 6: I could pass on is that I really worried away

937
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Speaker 6: my twenties for no reason. I was so trying to

938
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Speaker 6: plan out my life, and everything that happened great in

939
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Speaker 6: my life is not because I planned it. And if

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Speaker 6: you are an educated American, you already won life's great lottery.

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Speaker 6: And so all you have to decide is how hard

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Speaker 6: do you want to work?

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Speaker 1: I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.

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Speaker 1: I had a perfon at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,

945
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Speaker 1: who has since passed, but he was an incredible business

946
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Speaker 1: professor and his big thing to us when we were

947
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Speaker 1: in law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out

948
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Speaker 1: there that are going to grad school or you're going

949
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Speaker 1: to take the bar exam soon coming up this summer,

950
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Speaker 1: and he said, you are already set. He said, you

951
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Speaker 1: guys have done the hard work of getting into law school.

952
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Speaker 1: He said the question you have to decide going forward

953
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Speaker 1: with your legal careers is how do you want to

954
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Speaker 1: work this law degree? He said, But you're never going

955
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Speaker 1: to be homeless, you're never going to be hungry. The

956
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Speaker 1: big concerns in life you have taken care of, and

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Speaker 1: you should think about that more than you do all

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Speaker 1: of you. And I thought that perspective was super important,

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Speaker 1: and I think it reflects upon what you said where

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids out there in their twenties.

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Speaker 1: They get out of school, they get out of grad school,

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Speaker 1: they have these quarterlife crises I had won myself, and

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Speaker 1: they wonder what else is out there? And I think

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Speaker 1: this is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them,

965
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Speaker 1: is that one you're still going to be trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out a lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,

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Speaker 1: and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably

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Speaker 1: going to be okay.

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Speaker 6: Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,

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Speaker 6: and I remember he would talk about the importance of

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Speaker 6: not being so risk averse, that America was built on

972
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Speaker 6: people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.

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Speaker 6: And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes

974
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Speaker 6: risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But

975
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Speaker 6: because he was able to, he was willing to take

976
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Speaker 6: a risk you can get great reward. And I remember

977
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Speaker 6: I was really hesitant to start my own business after

978
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Speaker 6: I left the White House because I had a million

979
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Speaker 6: reasons that were stupid really looking back. And the President

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Speaker 6: said to me, ask yourself this, what is the worst

981
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Speaker 6: thing that could happen to you if it fails? So

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Speaker 6: I saw hemden had for a minute and he said,

983
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Speaker 6: so you're telling me the worst thing that could happen

984
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Speaker 6: to you, educated American woman who was the White House

985
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Speaker 6: pres secretary. Start throw within, say it fails, and the

986
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Speaker 6: worst thing you have to do is go back and

987
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Speaker 6: work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing. And

988
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Speaker 6: he said, I'm not persuaded by that. And that's really

989
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Speaker 6: helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman. When

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Speaker 6: people are dealing with anxiety, and of course of course

991
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Speaker 6: we all do, and also we're surrounded by young people

992
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Speaker 6: who have a lot of it, you ask yourself, what's

993
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Speaker 6: the worst thing that could happen, and what's the best

994
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Speaker 6: thing that could happen, and usually what happens is somewhere

995
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Speaker 6: in the middle, and it can calm you down pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of

997
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Speaker 1: the great Stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.

998
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Speaker 1: It might have been Seneca or it's one of them.

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Speaker 1: So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it

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Speaker 1: for the twenty first century. But this is very true

1001
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Speaker 1: Jackie Waters.

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Speaker 6: When I interviewed him for this book. Jesse Waters talks

1003
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Speaker 6: about the Stoics as well in this book.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.

1005
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Speaker 1: I had no idea fun fact. Jesse doesn't even know this,

1006
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Speaker 1: but maybe he was in. I think it was like

1007
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Speaker 1: an English one oh one class at Trinity College with

1008
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Speaker 1: my older brother at one point, to give your sense

1009
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Speaker 1: to what a small world it was. Then Mason transferred

1010
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Speaker 1: went to a different school. But yes, Jesse and I

1011
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: have been give me the tea. Yeah, Jesse and I have,

1012
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: and ship's passing. The Mason assures me he might have

1013
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: popped his collar, but he was a very nice guy.

1014
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: But yes, we've got Dana Perino with us right now,

1015
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: and she's got a new book out which you guys

1016
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: should all check out, and her books have been huge

1017
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Speaker 1: successes up to this point. So what's uh. You know,

1018
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking now for the people out

1019
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: there who are going to be grabbing this book, if

1020
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Speaker 1: there's one thing that you want them to really take

1021
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Speaker 1: out of it today, or rather one thing that they

1022
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Speaker 1: would read and you hope that they could apply to

1023
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Speaker 1: their lives as soon as possible, Dan, And what would

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Speaker 1: that be.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think We've covered a lot of it, and

1026
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Speaker 6: especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,

1027
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Speaker 6: they will realize they don't need to worry as much.

1028
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Speaker 6: One of the reasons that you seek out a book

1029
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Speaker 6: like this is because you're trying to get some answers

1030
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 6: the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that

1031
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Speaker 6: that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.

1032
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Speaker 6: Most of the mentees that come to see me, they

1033
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 6: are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are

1034
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 6: looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,

1035
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Speaker 6: they want to get married, they want to have families,

1036
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Speaker 6: and they want to find a work life balance that

1037
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Speaker 6: will allow them to have a great wonderful, meaningful life,

1038
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Speaker 6: and my experience was unusual. I met my husband on

1039
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Speaker 6: an airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million

1040
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Speaker 6: reasons why we might not have met, or that we

1041
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 6: could have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to

1042
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Speaker 6: be loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually

1043
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Speaker 6: made all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that

1044
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Speaker 6: young people can take that away and realize that investing

1045
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 6: in yourself in a commitment is a great way to

1046
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Speaker 6: enhance your life and your career.

1047
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Speaker 1: I got a great I got to reverse for a second. Here,

1048
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Speaker 1: take us into this. This is a this is a

1049
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Speaker 1: great story of romance. You met your husband on a plane. Like,

1050
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Speaker 1: what was the first move? Here? Did he spill his

1051
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Speaker 1: his peanuts or his Seltzer and your lap?

1052
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Speaker 2: Like?

1053
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: How did you get this going?

1054
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Speaker 3: Well?

1055
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Speaker 6: Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go

1056
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Speaker 6: in the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody

1057
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Speaker 6: had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.

1058
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Speaker 6: I was working for a congressman. I was coming back

1059
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Speaker 6: from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And

1060
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Speaker 6: I was on an American Airlines flight. I almost missed

1061
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Speaker 6: the plane because it was my first time driving out

1062
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Speaker 6: to the New Denver International Airport, which might as well

1063
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Speaker 6: be in Kansas.

1064
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Speaker 1: It's so far away, exaccurate.

1065
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Speaker 6: And so the last two people to get on the

1066
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Speaker 6: plane were myself and this guy. And I sat down

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Speaker 6: in the window seat and he said, would you like

1068
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Speaker 6: me to put your bag up above? British accent?

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Speaker 1: Strong move? I thought, you strong move?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the accents. Accents are helpful, no wedding ring handsome.

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Speaker 6: And he had a book called The Tailor of Panama

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Speaker 6: by John McCarey. I said, oh, I said, do you

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Speaker 6: like that book? So we started talking about books and

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Speaker 6: for two and a half hours. We talked for a

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Speaker 6: long time. I remember asking him what do people in

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Speaker 6: Europe seeking about Bill Clinton? And he said they think

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Speaker 6: he's a clown. And I was like, oh, wow, we're

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Speaker 6: going to get along great. But then I remember looking

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Speaker 6: at the window and saying a prayer to God that

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Speaker 6: I know I asked you to help me find someone.

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Speaker 6: But he's much older than me. He lives in England.

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Speaker 6: I had my career is on the right track. I

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Speaker 6: didn't think I would meet somebody on an airplane, but

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Speaker 6: I couldn't eat, sleep, drink, concentrate anything. After I met him,

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Speaker 6: and about six weeks later we had our first date

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Speaker 6: when he was back in the States in New Orleans,

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Speaker 6: And six months later I moved to England twenty eight

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Speaker 6: years ago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of curious. Hey, I'm going to move to England.

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Speaker 1: I met a guy on an airplane.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you didn't you hit the nail on the

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Speaker 6: head of One of the reasons I wrote the book

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Speaker 6: because one of the things I worried about in my

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Speaker 6: twenties was how am I going to get a job,

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Speaker 6: How will I succeed? How will I pay my bills? Then?

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Speaker 6: How am I going to meet somebody? How am I

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Speaker 6: going to meet some Then? What are people going to

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Speaker 6: think about me for wanting to be with this man

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Speaker 6: who is much older than me, lives in England, and

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Speaker 6: that I'm leaving my job and career to go live

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Speaker 6: in England and who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I worried myself to death. And this a woman

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Speaker 6: of a family friend that don't give up on this

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Speaker 6: chance to be.

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Speaker 1: Loved, And there something in their daty. What one superpower

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Speaker 1: that I've learned is to not care what people think

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Speaker 1: who don't matter to you, you know.

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Speaker 6: But you know what it's so interesting is that we

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Speaker 6: have to learn this lesson over and over again, because

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Speaker 6: your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe

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Speaker 6: you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher

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Speaker 6: or from other friends. And all of these young people

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Speaker 6: are always thinking about what others are thinking about them

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01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 6: and how they're being judged. And what I remind them

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Speaker 6: is that actually we all just think about ourselves all

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Speaker 6: the time. Somebody has time to think about you.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, especially in a social media age,

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Speaker 1: people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived

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Speaker 1: than they would have been in the past. Way, can

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Speaker 1: I ask her a question that, Dana, do you think that?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that women? I'm putting you on the

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Speaker 1: hot seat a little bit here? Everybody loves data, Pirno,

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna love this book. You're on the hot seat now.

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Speaker 1: Do women in this era care too much about men's height?

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Speaker 6: Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite

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Speaker 6: five foot one, so even Guttfeld is a little tall

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Speaker 6: to me. Just kidding. He is not tall to me.

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Speaker 6: Woman cares much about height. I mean maybe, I mean

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Speaker 6: I know that it's sort of it depends, like I

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Speaker 6: don't you don't see.

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Speaker 1: A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana, how

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Speaker 1: tall is your husband? Let's just let's just go through this.

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Speaker 6: About I would say five to ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is like he's like tall but not you know,

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Speaker 1: you didn't date like you're not a five to one

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Speaker 1: lady who married a six foot five guy. We've had

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Speaker 1: some conversations on the show recently about this.

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Speaker 6: He's tall for someone from Scotland. How about that?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough? Fair enough? Yeah, I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: that's just a shot at Scottish men. By the way,

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Speaker 1: that you just I wouldn't have been all for someone

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Speaker 1: from Scottish men are short? Is this true?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The book, by the way, is fabulous. I have met

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Speaker 1: her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken us out.

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: He is great, he is fantastic. Well, hey, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you're listening to a guy who may get canceled at

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01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: any moment. No idea what might happen from one second

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Speaker 1: to the next. The book I wish someone one had

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Speaker 1: told and Dana Perino, go buy it. You're gonna like it. Dana.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time you do. Fantastic or til Bir,

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Speaker 1: we said high, thank you. Same to you. Claiy. I

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Speaker 1: was struck by something as we're talking to Dana, who who?

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Speaker 1: It is true? Everybody My wife loves Dana. Everybody loves Dana.

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Speaker 1: Her book is fantastic. I'm sure the last book was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I have a book title for you for your next book,

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: because we know the topic. I have a title for you.

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01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you the title now

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01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: or when we come back. I want to hear your

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: title when we come back. We've got a title for

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Speaker 1: the book and it's probably not going to surprise you,

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Speaker 1: but I'm curious if your title is somewhat similar to

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Speaker 1: the title. We've got an idea. Now that you're telling

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Speaker 1: me this, I feel like it could be, but you

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Speaker 1: have Just to be clear, Clay has not told me

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Speaker 1: the title of his forthcoming book. I have a title

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Speaker 1: in mind for him, and I think some of you

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Speaker 1: are really going to like it. So that's what we

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Speaker 1: call it. Ease in the business. Uh. And if you switch,

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Speaker 1: is it me or you? Who's supposed to know. It's me.

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Speaker 1: It's me. Oh, I blew it. Sorry, the leaf blowers

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Speaker 1: are throwing you off, buddy. I need the leaf blowers

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Speaker 1: just track me everywhere. I hate those guys. Look this,

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Speaker 1: my family's coming down because the uh now we got

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Speaker 1: we got my grandmother on uh well for my child,

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Speaker 1: my mom, and my dad. They're all coming down this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, we're doing a steak feast Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: courtesy of Good Ranchers. Kerry and I have already picked

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Speaker 1: out the cuts of meat that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: serving where I got a I got an additional because

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a whole bunch my brothers, my sister

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Speaker 1: in law, my mom, my dad, my sister. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got a whole squad here. How do you feed

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Speaker 1: a whole squad a Good Ranchers box everybody. We've got

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Speaker 1: the meats cut, We've got the meats picked out. Rather

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Speaker 1: they're going to be delicious because I eat Good Rancher

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Speaker 1: Makes it so easy for me. I even got an

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Speaker 3: Stories are freedom stories of America, inspirational stories that you

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