1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. Charlie Kirk was not afraid to 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: let his leaves down and take on the liberal media. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: He joined Bill Maher's podcast, where they covered just about 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: everything because conversation is good. Charlie was really good at 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: making his points and backing them up without needing to 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: get angry. In this podcast, It's almost like he was 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: interviewing Bill Maher on his own show, even though he 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: was Bill Maher's guest. And that is a very very powerful, 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: but subtle technique to pull off. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: Here, I am here Kirk, rewarding for duty, That's what 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: they call me. How are you nice to meet you? 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us us? Well, pardon me? 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: Is there someone with you? Thanks for having me? Not 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: expecting trouble? Are you not quite any travel with security? Unfortunately? 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: You doo yeah wow? Like what kind you know security? Well, 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you have to do that, but that's 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: the price of fame. And boy, you're you, I mean, man, 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: you're everywhere. Well like it now. It's true. 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: We have different Gihati's that want to kill me. The 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: purple hair gihattis the woke guys. 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: They want they kill me. They want to kill me 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: just as bad. Oh they really do. 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: No, you you've been very outspoken on the woke stuff 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: they do. 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, and they just the way within a 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: religion they hate their own apostates more. I would say 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: they hate me more because I'm supposed to get on 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: the short bust of crazy town with them and I won't. 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: And yet I'm still a liberal and still like you know, 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: I mean, we probably could argue all day about Donald 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Trump and what he's doing, which I'm not down with. 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: But you know, uh, it's always the people who are 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: closest to think, oh gosh, you shouldn't have you're a 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: traitor somehow. 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Because they thought you were one of them, and that I. 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: Am one of them. They're not one of me. I mean, 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: it's the liberals of Jue. 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: So that they've left you, you look well, I. 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: Think I feel like there's liberal and woke are two 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: completely different things. It was the theme of my last 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: stand up special that I just did a few months ago, 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: and it's basically I mean, it wasn't the whole special, 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: of course, but it was a large part of it 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: devoted to that, to proving that case that you know 46 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: what liberals believe woke is something completely different. It's very 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: often the opposite of it. You know, Liberalism is let's 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: live in a colorblind society. That's the goal. Woke's goal 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: is we see race everywhere. 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: In a subsession. 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that's not liberal. You change liberal is 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: they're a two state solution. Woke is river to the sea. Okay, 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: those are just don't take my word and say you're that. 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: You took this and took it to you got off 55 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: the f train, you fell asleep, and you got off 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: the twenty stops too far, and don't blame me for 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: that drink no good, thank you. You don't drink or 58 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: smoke pot and you're married and super Christian. We're gonna 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: get along great. 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: This is this is going to just be perfect. 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: But can I just ask it because I want to 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: find out a lot about you, because you're you're obviously 63 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: a super bright guy. But you do think that I 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: have the right to live completely opposite than you do. 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: I think you can get as drunk as you'd like. 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 2: And you're you're that kind of an American, right You're not. 67 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: You're not forcing your opinions. 68 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: As I'm not here to say you can't. 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: What do you do? Okay, so you think pat should 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: be legal? 71 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: That's a complicated I have a very unpopular view on pot. 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: You know. 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: Can I tell my case on pot? 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: Please do. 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: It's not the depression that it might be causing, or 76 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: the fact that might be hurting kids' brains. It's the smell. 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: It's the stench that drives me crazy. 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: It's not hurting their brains. I mean, kids shouldn't do it. 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: Of course kids shouldn't. Definitely hurt didn't hurt my brain. 80 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 3: But let me yes, do you think that more more 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: teenagers are doing pot today or that before legalization? Or 82 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: you know what do you think you sage rates are 83 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: going up or down? 84 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 85 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: Answer. 86 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Oh, you'll be fascinated by this because you know, I'm 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: not married, so I go out. So sometimes I'm out 88 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: with like people that were a great deal younger than me. 89 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how they get in my group. They do. 90 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: And so I've been to sometimes parties like the Hollywood parties. 91 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: And this is probably not most of America exactly this way, 92 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be surprised if it's that different. And 93 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: first of all, in this town, it's all run by, 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: like the Nepo babies, the Nepple babies, the trust Fund kids. 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: Is all these little funny two year old the JB. 96 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Pritzker types. Well, no, no, I'm sure I know who 97 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: you mean. The governor of Illinois. 98 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: He inherited the Hyatt. 99 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh sure, well, baby, we've invented neo baby out here comes. 100 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: But yes, it's everywhere now, even on the Lakers. 101 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: Hey, that's that's that's real privilege there. You know, you 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: got some privilege if you can get. 103 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: Well, okay, I don't want to I want Lebron met 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: at me like he is at my friend stephen A. 105 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: But I mean that is I you know. But the 106 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: point is that when you go out to these I've 107 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: been to these parties where like it's a bunch of 108 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: twenty two year old kids and none of them are 109 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: smoking pot. Why they're on real drugs pots. So like 110 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: my generation, it's like I couldn't find pot at one 111 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: of these parties. I was the only were asking me 112 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: for it. A few kids want it, they're all they 113 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: take this this. 114 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: They're psychedelicshrooms, lsc oh whatever, KETA mean that has some menist, 115 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,119 Speaker 3: but not at a party. 116 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: They're all, it's all ingested before they even leave the house. 117 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: So that's where the good newest parents. Your kids aren't 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: on pot, but they're they're on way worse. I think 119 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: they're on a big, big trip. 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: So but do you think that since we've legalized less 121 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: teenagers are doing like thirteen, fourteen, fifty ten year olds? 122 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: Because that was always the argument, right, did we legalize 123 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: it less kids would do it? 124 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what fourteen year olds are doing. 125 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: No, I don't know the answer. 126 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: I just that's my story and I'm sticking to it. 127 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: But we can agree that kids shouldn't that totally. 128 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: But we also should be able to agree that we 129 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: shouldn't force adults to organize their lives around what kids 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: might get into. 131 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: That's a good argument. I mean, do you think that it's. 132 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you're not against porn, are you? Well? 133 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: I actually once struggled with porn. Thankfully I'm free of that, 134 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: but I mean. 135 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: Can you struggle with it? I mean mean so easy? 136 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, you could grow addicted to it. I mean it 137 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: can I was kidding nobody else. I mean, yeah, I 138 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: don't have that that issue anymore, thankfully, But I would 139 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: ask the question, though, like do you think since the 140 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: legalization of marijuana in LA, it's made it a better 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: or worse place to live, or just it hasn't changed 142 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: at all. 143 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: It certainly hasn't changed my life. Okay, I grow it 144 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: right outside here. Do you think this? 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: Do you think the quality of life has gone up 146 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: or down? 147 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: Well? I don't know, but that's not really The relevant 148 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: question is even if there is a deleterious effect, there 149 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: is too many things we do and we would not 150 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: use that as a reason to prescribe our basic freedoms. 151 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: Should people I mean be able to do drugs? Should 152 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: we outside like on. 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: The street or no, definitely not on the street. 154 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: So there are some limits, of course, limits yes. 155 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: And maybe of certain drugs, or certain drugs should be 156 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: by prescription, as we do with pharmaceutical drugs, you know, 157 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: but base but certainly pot is more as more benign 158 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: than alcohol. I mean, I could give you the stats 159 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: on that. We all know that is it health food? No, 160 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm not crazy like some of my hippie friends are 161 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: complaint trying to portray it as something that's actually good 162 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: for your lungs, But I don't think it's. Well, it's 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: a trade off when you're an adult. You have the 164 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: right to make trade offs. Trade offs the is the 165 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: essence of life. I'm going to have this piece of 166 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: cake tonight and be a little fatter tomorrow, or I'm 167 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: not going to do that and feel better tomorrow. And 168 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: we all make those choices on a daily basis. With everything, Yes, 169 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: have I probably cut off some years of my life. 170 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: Maybe with POT. Who knows, I may have increased them 171 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: because it helped me. It made me certainly made me richer, 172 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: It made me better at my job, better at writing, 173 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: better a lot of things I like to do. So 174 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: you know, I might be living in a two veteran 175 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: apartment in Van Nis if it wasn't for POT, and 176 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm probably going to live longer. 177 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: Here, or who knows how successful you could have been 178 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: without it. 179 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: That's true too. That is true too. 180 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: Do you think there's any merit to the argument that 181 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: the pot is has more THC and it's more intense 182 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: than it was thirty forty years ago. It's so, I 183 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: don't know. I hear these things and oh I hear. 184 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: Those things too, And I'm sure that's true because once 185 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: it became as commercialized as it has. Of course you're 186 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: going to try to maximize the potency of it just 187 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: because the customer comes back. Just like a restaurant is 188 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: not interested in your health. They're interested in making the 189 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: food selling more product delicious as they can. So you've 190 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: come back to that restaurant. So but it's so hard 191 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: for me to tell you because I've been smoking for 192 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: fifty years and I'm different. Who knows what I was thinking. 193 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when I first smoked, we would 194 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: just sit in the car and laugh at nothing for 195 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: an hour. That doesn't happen anymore. So my guess is 196 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: the pot is stronger, but my resistance is weaker. Hey, 197 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: stop playing with your fanny pack. 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: You need the bear skin tactical hood. 199 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, it's you know, I'm people think I'm some 200 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: sort of giant podhead. I've always been very circumspected about 201 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: my pot smoking. I mean, I don't smoke every day. 202 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 2: The most I smoke is right here once a week. 203 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: I like to be in party mode when I'm with someone. 204 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm getting to know. This is one of the joys 205 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: in my life. And you know, I understand that it 206 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: doesn't connect with some people or make some people paranoid 207 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: or something. But the people it's just I mean, you know, 208 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: some people like a scotch and some people like la 209 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: la lah, and some people like complete sobriety. If that's 210 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: your If that's your thing, that's fine. But to me, 211 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: the most interesting place I can ever travel is inside 212 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: my own mind, and drugs do help you get there? 213 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: Is there? 214 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: Do you think all hard drugs should be illegal, like 215 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: heroin illegal? 216 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: No? I mean, well heroin, is there any uses for it? 217 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: I mean, like for what. 218 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: San Francisco did they suito legalized it, right, I mean 219 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: they said, hey, we're going to have make it easier 220 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: for you to do heroin. 221 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: We shouldn't make it easy. That's crazy. 222 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: Where they had drug induction sites basically no, I know, 223 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: but that's that was called the policy position of Seattle, 224 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: Portland and San Francisco. 225 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: That's the low lying fruit for you right now, for you, 226 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: right question. 227 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 3: No, But but isn't it I want it? 228 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: It's the low lying fruit. 229 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: Who it's like, No, it's right to create a boundary. 230 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: And you're right, you know, I mean again, I'm for 231 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: picking that fruit too. It's silly to help drug addicts 232 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: be drug addicts and keep them on the street. It's 233 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: stupid to keep homeless on the street. 234 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: Oh, I totally agree. 235 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: There's another another way liberals are different than the wolk. 236 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: The liberal thing for forever was for compassion's sake, get 237 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: them off the street. That's not the wolf version. Their 238 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: version is they're an endangered species. Don't touch them in 239 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: their natural habitat, living under defecate. 240 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: Let them do whatever they want. 241 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: It's their thing. And you know, I mean, there should 242 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: be nothing more basic than a government claiming the streets. 243 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: The streets are for the citizens. Then it's not the living. 244 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: Build a barracks. I mean, why are these things? Maybe 245 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: you can answer, why are these kind of things so difficult? 246 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: You think such common sense? Build a fucking barracks. I know, 247 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: hollless people say they don't want to live there. You 248 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: don't have a choice. Oh we'll get robbed there, higher security, 249 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: it's pennies on the dollar. Why is it so difficult? 250 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I, with no real knowledge of this field, 251 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: could do it. Could just if I had people who 252 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: would carry out my I would say, okay, get me specs. 253 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: I want to see where a place we could build it. 254 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: I want to see what the barracks looks like I 255 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: want to see who works there, is it really and 256 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: the toilets whatever, And somebody must be Mitt Romney, somebody 257 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: who will be Olympics, somebody who could come in and. 258 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: Just know how to clean up the streets. I mean, 259 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom cleaned up the streets of San Francisco and 260 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: Gigipan showed up. I mean, it's just the act of 261 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: the will. They don't want to do it. 262 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: Right, like when they get the whoors up the street, 263 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: when the mayor is like doing whatever clean. 264 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: Up, or when the MLB All Star Game goes to Seattle, 265 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's America's clean a city. 266 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: Right, So you're saying, if we can do it that 267 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: one day. 268 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: I think it's an act of the will. It's all 269 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: that it is. And it looked left woke. I won't 270 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: even say left it woke. Philosophy is they believe, they 271 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: don't really believe in private property, and at its core, 272 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: why shouldn't someone be able to defecate on the side 273 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: of the street. Who are you to judge? 274 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 2: Well, that's a woke Yes, maybe. 275 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: I'm saying woke not even liberal, right, I'm making that distinction, 276 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: which I think it's a fair distinction. 277 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: That's another reason, another one we can add to the 278 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: list of woke is not liberal. 279 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: And I think left versus liberal or woke versus liberal 280 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: is an important distinction. Right, I will say, what makes 281 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: you different is few liberals stand up to the woke, 282 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: and that is that few liberals are willing to stand 283 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: up to woke. 284 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and few conservatives stand up to Trump fair enough. 285 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you can stand up or disagree, but I 286 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: guess you could say the question, well, is Trump woke? 287 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: Is an ideology? Is Trump an ideology? I mean, he's 288 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: a person, maga is an ideology, But I mean we 289 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: can I disagree with Trump on a lot of stuff. 290 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think we should go to Worth run. 291 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: I think there'd be a big mistake. 292 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: Also when you get to we're going to send home 293 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: grown American citizens to foreign prisons? Oh see the thing 294 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: he said? You mean home grown Americans? 295 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: No, And if he were to do that, I wouldn't 296 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: support great, But I don't. I think that is a 297 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: one liner that he gave to Bukell. I think that 298 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: is you met the man, Yes, do you think he 299 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: actually believes that, like he would. 300 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Do that it's worse if he does, or would, It's 301 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: still horrible that an American president would say that. Look 302 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: me in the eye and tell me. If Obama had 303 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: said that, what your reaction would be. 304 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: Wouldn't like it, wouldn't like it. 305 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: I think it would be a little more bitriolic than that. 306 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: We would be. We'd be apislectic. Okay. I'm just I'm 307 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: finding out how honest you are, Charlie, and so far 308 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: you're I think you're doing good, and I hope I'm 309 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: doing good with you, because if we don't have the honesty, 310 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: we can't really you know. 311 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: Look, but to be also to be fair to the 312 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: whole you know topic in general, the outrage around deportations 313 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: as we've seen, you know this these last couple of 314 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, last couple of weeks is like the American 315 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: people voted for it, it's perfectly legal. 316 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: Well, they didn't vote for they don't vote for people 317 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: without any I mean. 318 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: Do you mean that Maryland case is what you're talking about, right? 319 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: The guy who they're trying, who they se as thirteen member, Well, 320 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: there's no evidence that he's they don't they did not 321 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: present evidence. I mean, I don't really want to get 322 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: into the weeds on this one because I got to 323 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: do it on my show Friday. But and but the 324 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, I guess we have to get into the 325 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: weeds there. 326 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: You know, there is there's there's even new evidence in 327 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: the last couple of hours that I don't you you 328 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: you you lead the conversation. You tell me how deep 329 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: you want to go on? 330 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: Eh? None? 331 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: Okay? 332 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, but I hope that if it comes to light, 333 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: let's put let me button it up this way. I 334 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: hope that if it does come to light that they're 335 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: really is no evidence that this guy was a gang member, 336 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: that he got swept up, which is very understandable that 337 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: when you do a sweep, when you're doing big things, yes, 338 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: there's nothing is going to go perfect. But if it 339 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: does come to light, I would hope that some Republicans 340 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: have the spine to say, yeah, that's not right, that 341 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: this guy should not be there. I mean, the Bill 342 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: of Rights, it's pretty clear that you can't just disappear 343 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: people without any sort of trial. Well, but and deportation 344 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: is not the same thing as sending someone to a prison. 345 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: But you are allowed to deport under the Alien Enemy Zach, correct, 346 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: someone who is part of a recognized terrorist organization is 347 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: pretty close to a terrorist organism. 348 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean you know you're you're bending all 349 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: these words. 350 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: Not an American citizen. You got to acknowledge that. No, absolutely, 351 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: so that's important. But he wasn't here illegally. He was 352 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: illegally the Maryland man, as long as we're not talking 353 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: about two different cases. Garcia, Yes, he was an the 354 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: illegal immigrant to the country. 355 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: I thought he was waiting for asylum. 356 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: Okay, you could be illegal waiting for assilum. 357 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: I see, so we okay, so they could deport him, 358 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: that's right, Yes, but we never did it, but to 359 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: a prison. 360 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: It's an edge case. I acknowledge it's on the edge. 361 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: But good no, but the edge is so there's three 362 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: ways you can deport people. It could be the Alien 363 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight, it can be. 364 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: Expert he used only three times. 365 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: That's fine, But hey, look and you quote the First 366 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: Amendment all the time. That's from seventeen eighty seven. Right, 367 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: So old things are important. I'm just saying just but. 368 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 2: That's when used, that's when used more than three times. 369 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: Fair enough, But just because things are old, doesn't mean 370 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: and I'm not saying no, you're using that talking pot. 371 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: But some people are trying to invalidate it just because 372 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: it's old. It's also expedited release. 373 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: They're trying to invalidate because it doesn't really apply to this. 374 00:17:59,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: It's stretching. 375 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: I mean, how is MS thirteen not a terrorist organization? 376 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah you can, Yeah, you can make. 377 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: It trendy or ragua, I mean well organized. 378 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: Because because terrorism really is a political movement, it's it's 379 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: it's it's it means terrorizing the civilian population to achieve 380 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: a political goal. These guys just want to grab your locket. 381 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: You know, this is oh a lot more than that. Look, 382 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: I've said that all this stuff I don't like about Trump. 383 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: I did it in my piece the other week when 384 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: I was talking about the meeting at the White House 385 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: that no, he was tweeting about me. I've never liked anything. No, 386 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: check the tape. There are things I like. And one 387 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: thing I liked was that the police are have their 388 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: morale back maybe now. And you know, when you live 389 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: in a city, it's not a good thing when the 390 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: police lose their morale because they feel like they've been 391 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: painted with a bloodbrush, which they were after twenty twenty, 392 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: you know, and they're like, okay, yeah, And I've been 393 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: very critical of the cops when I think they did 394 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: bad things. But do I think that it's a racist, 395 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, tack squad. It's not. There's issues. There's always 396 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: issues in everything, and you know, when you insolve the 397 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: cops if a way of kind of brooding about it. 398 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: And it's just not a good place to be when 399 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: you're when you're a city dweller, and so you know, 400 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: I don't want to be killed by a gang member 401 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: because they do random killings, you know, just to as 402 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: gang initiation so they can get the fucking tear drop 403 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: under their eye. Okay, I want to be someone's tear 404 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: drop tattoo, you know, Rando out to dinner. So I 405 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: get it, you know. I mean, these are the things 406 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: that lost the Democrats the election. You know, you've got 407 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: to take care of this shit. 408 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: And there's real Americans that die, I mean, Rachel Moore 409 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: and Can Riley, there's real I mean, Joscelyn Well. 410 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: Probably not at greater rates than are killed by regular Americans. 411 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: That's debated, but let's just put that aside. They shouldn't 412 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: be here, and so none of those murders to happen, right, 413 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: And so anyway back to the core question, does the 414 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 3: president have the ability to remove illegals that have come 415 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: here under an enemy gang? Of course he does. He 416 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: has the power given to him by that law. 417 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: What's your background? I'm gonna have to like Larry King this. 418 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: You know what Larry King used to just famously, and 419 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: I love Larry. I did a show a billion times. 420 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: He was a legend. 421 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and his thing was like, I don't prepare. I'm 422 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: like the regular guy who just wants to know. He's 423 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: curious about this person. So I don't know. So I 424 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: asked the questions that this person would ask you, trying 425 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: to kirk. You're thirty one years old. 426 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: You're Jewish, right, No, yeah, that's Muslim. 427 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: Next, now you're married. How long you have been married? 428 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: It will be four years in May? 429 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: Wow? And kids? Two kids? Yeah? Two kids already. 430 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, we got to. 431 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: Work now, Charlie. It shouldn't be work, that's all I'm kidding. 432 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: I know, it's an enjoy work. 433 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: It's okay. We got in to the fundations and. 434 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: And and you're gonna have more God willing God willing 435 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: right right. And you know we don't see eye to 436 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: eye on the religion. 437 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: D You know someone told me that I got I. 438 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: Gotta tell you. You should see my movie Religious. 439 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: Actually saw it, really and to your credit, what you 440 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 3: did on Islam was awesome. 441 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: The other ones not so much. That's correct, buddy. 442 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 3: Secondly, so if you just isolate the Islamic part, but 443 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: it was fun. Secondly, Jesus, to your credit, you treated 444 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: Woke like a religion, yes, and you criticize them with 445 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: the same intensity, and you did, and that does you 446 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: deserve a lot of credit. I mean that because you 447 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: looked at it as this has catechism, it has religious 448 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: type undercurrents, it has almost a metaphysical presence to itself, 449 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: and so you're an equal opportunity. 450 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: Well I critic I mean yeah. And it's funny because 451 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: the director of Religionist, Larry Charles, and I had dinner 452 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: about a year ago and I suggested, and of course 453 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: it went nowhere because we're both too old to really 454 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: act on it. But I said, people keep asking me 455 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: and I'm sure him also to do Religionist too, But 456 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: they when they say it, they think we're going to oh, 457 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: now we're going to go to India and make fun 458 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: of the Hindus. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Okay, 459 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: I'm not going to India and the news aren't that funny? Okay, 460 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: we did it. It was. The movie did great, and 461 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: we love that it stands the test of time, and 462 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: people keep always keep coming up to me and seeing it. 463 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: Movies are amazing that way. But I said, somebody gave 464 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: me a great idea, why don't we do religious too, 465 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: But the religion is wokeness, and then that's what I 466 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: was suggested to. And I said, yeah, but then you 467 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: can have to do the right side of it too, 468 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: because that's also a religion, Christian nationalism. I mean, come on, 469 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: your boys. Some of the people I think you're fond of, 470 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: they mix religion and politics in a way that I 471 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: think is not according to the Constitution. But I have 472 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: to tell you, we'll give you a lot of credit. 473 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: I saw a video of yours where you were talking 474 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 2: about how christy the original documents were, which is you know. 475 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: I mean my view is that the founding part is 476 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 2: we know a number of them were dists mostly that 477 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: was their religion. But you did and you boy, you 478 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: have your facts down. I mean, you can spiel when 479 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: you get out of the subject, you really do. And 480 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: I trust you. You know, I'm going by what you 481 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: but you know that they were a little christier than 482 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, And I'm always happy to learn 483 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: new information. And if it doesn't satisfy people that I 484 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: don't stay exactly where I am, it satisfies the people 485 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: who are actually my fans who always want me to 486 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: do that, to be like, oh if I take in 487 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: new information. I mean, that's why you know the far 488 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: left hates me because I went to the White House 489 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: and said, well, privately, Trump's different. 490 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: I didn't thank good for you for see, yeah, and I. 491 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: Didn't give an inch on anything. I believe. I confronted 492 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: him on things that I think, you know, he probably 493 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: maybe never hears from anybody else. But that's not good 494 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 2: enough for them, because you know they had to. But no, 495 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: if you take in new information, just tell me. And 496 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: so I do think after listening to your spiel that yes, 497 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: they were a little more into Jesus then I thought. 498 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I know Jefferson wrote that Bible and took 499 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: hold heavily edited it, took all the miracles out. He 500 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: took all the religiosity out of it and just made 501 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: him a moral a moral philosopher. You know, you have 502 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: to admit that's not exactly the act of a Christy person. 503 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: No, but at least to acknowledge that there was something 504 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: profound there. Got to give them credit for that. 505 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: I could even acknowledge them. 506 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 3: Okay, that's I'm glad to hear. 507 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: Well. Jesus as a philosopher was a true revolutionary. I 508 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: mean when he said the meek shall inherit the earth, 509 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: I think. 510 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: The response wils that are the peacemakers. Yeah, but the idea. 511 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: That it gets good in the next life was fairly 512 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: I think revolutionary. And the fact that you know, if 513 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: you're a good person in this life, there's a much 514 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: greater or this is just the pregame you want the 515 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: after party, and the after party is just going to 516 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: be fucking awesome. You're up there with me and my 517 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: dad God, and it's just you know. 518 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: What, do you think cre would create a better society 519 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: or better action? People that think that there isn't there 520 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: isn't afterlife based on how you act, or people that 521 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: think there isn't one. 522 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: That's a great question, because it certainly can turn people 523 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: either way. It can make you fly planes into a building. 524 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: I'm not speaking of any specific example. 525 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 3: I can't think of anything. 526 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: I can't either, but it can make you do that, 527 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: you'll admit that. 528 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: Sure it could also make you do like blow up 529 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: Oklahoma City too. 530 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and it can also and I fully acknowledge that 531 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: it also keeps millions of people in line. Like Mark Wahlberg, 532 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm guessing without Catholicism, it just looks like a guy 533 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: who would be in a lot more trouble. But I 534 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: think it just as has made his life, you know, 535 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: much more under control. So there's one Mark Wahlberg I 536 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: think really benefits from Catholicism. But I think there's lots 537 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: of people like that. They just like they truly are 538 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: worried that if they do something out of line, illegal 539 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: or immoral, that the devil will, in short order after 540 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: they die, be poking them in the ass with a pitchfork. 541 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: And so they don't do that, And I got to 542 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: give it up. That's a you know, that is a positive? 543 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 3: Do you do you are you at all worried that 544 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: when a nation becomes too secular, it might not know 545 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: what it believes. There's no cultural cohesion, there's no glue 546 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: that keeps it together. 547 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: But this isn't that a nation. This is isn't secular. 548 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: There's a bunch of fucking religious. 549 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 3: Readings increasingly secular though. 550 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I'm trying, but I appreciate. 551 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 3: You are quite the evangelist cause of no afterlife and 552 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: my creator. 553 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: You know what, It creeps up a little, but people, 554 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: people always are going to want it. They want that. 555 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: People always are going to want to believe the story. 556 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: It's much better than the truth, which is that things 557 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: are random. We don't know the big questions. We don't 558 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: know how we got here. We don't know why we're here. 559 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: We don't know how the universe started. We're alone in 560 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: the universe. You know, is there a God? What is 561 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: the nature of God? Which one is the right God? 562 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: We just don't. Nobody knows. I mean, that's why they 563 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: call it faith. 564 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: Do you hope you're wrong? That's that's the most important 565 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: ques that's a great question. Well, how do you hope 566 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: there's a heaven? 567 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 2: I hope they figure out how I can live forever. 568 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 2: I like it here with you, Charlie, drinking this and 569 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: smoking a great time. I really can't imagine it better. 570 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: I mean I can't. And maybe it is. I'm sure 571 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: it is. I'm sure you know people have. 572 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: But something in you probably hopes that I don't know, Yes, 573 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 3: Hitler gets ultimate judgment or the most evil things, right, something, 574 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: and you want to see your loved ones, And I 575 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: don't think about there's got to be a desire something. 576 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people just think about it, I know. 577 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying Hitler comes up a lot. 578 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: He really fair enough that there's a desire, that there's 579 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: some something beyond this that. 580 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: Is just yes, I do, but I mean it's very 581 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: hard to find that justice on earth. Ask an Aid's 582 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: baby Bill. 583 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: That's why when you say, hey, I'm happy here, there's 584 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: a lot of suffering on earth too. And that's the 585 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 3: is and that's the Christian argument. 586 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: And some of it is, you know, we obviously can 587 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: see it comes from no bad deed done, you know, 588 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: child children with cancer. Of course, it's it's it's and 589 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: then they say, well that's you know, God works in 590 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: mysterious ways, which is sort of a get out of 591 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: jail card. 592 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: It's the hearty kind of non Admittedly it's the hardest. 593 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: We as Christians have to explain unjust suffering. Atheists have 594 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: to explain everything else. 595 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: How do you explain it? 596 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: We don't. It's hard. It's a mystery. We can say 597 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: God works mysterious ways. We can say original sin. However, 598 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: we don't have to explain creation or the miracle of life, 599 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: or no love for justice. 600 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Certainly we don't have to explain it either, because it's 601 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: not explainable, because we don't know. We say we don't know. 602 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: That's honest. You say, no, somebody told a story a 603 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 2: long time ago, and we're going to stick with that. 604 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: That to me, I'm not trying to be insulting. 605 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: You can't offend me. Trust me. I mean that you 606 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: could be as as Okay, I just mean that it's not. 607 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: But I find that intellectually embarrassed. 608 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: Fine. 609 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: If you like the Michael Berry Show and podcast, please 610 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a 611 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest 612 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated 613 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: directly to the show at our email address, Michael at 614 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our 615 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: website Michael Berryshow dot com. 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