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Speaker 2: I'm Rashan McDonald, the host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass,

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Speaker 3: also make decisions because you've heard it someplace else, many

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Speaker 3: many times. If you're a first time listener, welcome. If

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Speaker 3: you've been here before, welcome back. My guess is the

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Speaker 3: president and CEO of Electrosoft. That's right, the President and

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Speaker 3: CEO of Electrosoft Incorporated, ESI and Electronics Manufacturing, the engineering

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Speaker 3: firm in the United States. She wrote a comment of

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Speaker 3: age book that is a semi autobiographical because her family

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Speaker 3: owns a manufacturing business that she wanted no part of.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 3: She didn't want to be a part of it. She

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Speaker 3: tells that journey in her book and more. The book

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Speaker 3: is called dark, Dirty, Dangerous. Please welcome the Money Making Conversations,

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Speaker 3: Mastic Class, Caler, Trotman.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing, Caller, I'm great, How are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on the show. This is the

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Speaker 3: second time I've interviewed Carler. The first time I interviewed

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Speaker 3: I had not read her book. And my reason I

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Speaker 3: say the book is, first of all, the book is

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Speaker 3: very entertained, and it's humorous, it's it's filled with sarcasm

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Speaker 3: because it allows you to see a side of a

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Speaker 3: person who's in the industry and their perspective. Why did

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Speaker 3: you write the book, dark, Dirty, Dangerous Caller?

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Speaker 4: Well, honestly, people always ask me, how did you and

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Speaker 4: your family get into the electronics industry, into manufacturing, because honestly,

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Speaker 4: I've not ever met anyone that looked like me that

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Speaker 4: for me to write a thought leadership book on electronics manufacturing,

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Speaker 4: and I thought that sounds horrible quite honestly, who wants

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Speaker 4: had this opportunity to bet on themselves, and that bet

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Speaker 4: ultimately changed the entire trajectory of our family and thus

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Speaker 3: Well, first, of all, thank you for that opening, because

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Speaker 3: the book is about her, okay, and there's also a

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, now my father was a truck driver. Okay,

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Speaker 3: And that's what this book is all about. Dark Dirty, Dangerous,

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Speaker 3: But also it's some unique things that you talk about

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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, you think about it, like the title says, dark, dirty, dangerous.

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Speaker 4: So that could be someone that puts together office furniture

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Speaker 3: So I'm speaking to the president and CEO of Electrosoft Incorporated,

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Speaker 4: Definitely not easy. I think the first thing was my

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Speaker 3: You know that my daughter, she works for my wife

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Speaker 3: Now, so what are some of the reactions that you've

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Speaker 4: I was actually surprised quite a few. I had a

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Speaker 1: Cool as a closer out real quick.

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Speaker 3: How do we find this book, Dark, Dirty Dangerous? Number

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Speaker 3: Well, she sees the light, y'all, she sees the light.

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Speaker 3: She sees the manufacturing light. Thank you, caller Tropman for

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Speaker 1: You'll be safe and keep keep keep manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I sure will. Thank you Cool.

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