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Speaker 2: Welcome and everybody. We've got Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Speaker 2: with Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Glad
Speaker 2: you're with us plenty to get to. Let's not waste
Speaker 2: any time. Free agency is upon us. The legal tampering
Speaker 2: period is win Patrick, it is yesterday, so let's talk
Speaker 2: about it. It feels like every time that we record
Speaker 2: this show, every time, every week, every week, right on
Speaker 2: the dot, right on the dot when we get off
Speaker 2: the air. Here literally last week we got off the
Speaker 2: air talking about Osa Diggezua. We were talking about the
Speaker 2: return from Osa, what that would look like.
Speaker 7: My gosh, that was a week ago.
Speaker 2: It was a week ago. It was within ten minutes
Speaker 2: of the end of our show. And it never ceases
Speaker 2: to fail ever. No, but it it was re signed,
Speaker 2: or it was an OSA deal that was reached. It
Speaker 2: was done. It's like the shelf life of our show.
Speaker 2: Everybody's probably listening to it on their way home from work.
Speaker 2: They're like, these idiots don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: They didn't know Osa already resigned. No, we didn't at
Speaker 2: the time, but he did get it done and he's
Speaker 2: back now. Since it was a week ago, there's been
Speaker 2: a couple other things that have just created starting yesterday,
Speaker 2: all right, And to.
Speaker 8: Be fair to us, we just, like you said, we
Speaker 8: joked about it after the show. OSA hadn't officially signed it.
Speaker 8: They agreed while we were talking, and then he signed
Speaker 8: because I was standing right there making sure he put
Speaker 8: that pen to paper so there's not a cheese.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was like in the room, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Let's make sure that's high priority stuff. I
Speaker 8: had to make sure. I had to put eyes on it.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 8: So, like you said, Kyle, a few things have taking place,
Speaker 8: So let's just run down the list and then we'll
Speaker 8: make it a free for all, let's put all the
Speaker 8: opinions out there.
Speaker 9: Because we got opinions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did.
Speaker 8: Hold cal I was letting them fly before we went hot.
Speaker 8: I was like, hold on, save this, save it for THEA,
Speaker 8: for the show, all right. So I got three categories, stay,
Speaker 8: get A, stay, got, and go Okay stay. Ohso Diggi
Speaker 8: Zua signs a contract extension the highest priority in house
Speaker 8: free agent, four years, eighty million dollar maximum of value,
Speaker 8: fifty two million dollars in guaranteed money.
Speaker 9: He was here to stay.
Speaker 8: Marquise Bell, They're going to forego that tender on him
Speaker 8: as a restricted free agent three years at twelve million
Speaker 8: dollars max, so averaging four year, four four million per
Speaker 8: year for those three years. Markuith Bell, he's still recovering
Speaker 8: from that shoulder injury, but key special teams player and
Speaker 8: obviously has some potential as a starter at safety. Trent
Speaker 8: C long Snapper three years at four point four to
Speaker 8: five million dollars hefty coin four long snapper tells you
Speaker 8: how good Trent Seg has been since he joined the
Speaker 8: Cowboys two three seasons ago.
Speaker 7: Does it also indicate maybe the punter situation sticking around? Possibly?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to tell you right now, they're going
Speaker 8: to try to keep Anger around. And I don't see
Speaker 8: a situation wherein obviously anything's possible, but it feels like
Speaker 8: that's a forgone conclusion that that marriage will continue. You
Speaker 8: can't break up the band at this point, especially when
Speaker 8: you got Brandon Aubrey but Banger, yeah, butter Banger.
Speaker 7: And the American Snapper.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because Aubrey has been banging the table to keep
Speaker 8: that unit together.
Speaker 2: I saw it yesterday at some point. Uh, Brandon Laurie
Speaker 2: on on Twitter, who does a good job of covering
Speaker 2: some cowboys stuff and he's one of the content creators
Speaker 2: out there. He's dude.
Speaker 3: He uh.
Speaker 2: He put out a tweet and he was like, yeah, nice.
Speaker 2: He's like the the second best social media presence outside
Speaker 2: of Josh. Butler's back on the team next year. And
Speaker 2: everybody was like liking it and they were having fun
Speaker 2: with it. But Trent, Trent sick. He replied to it
Speaker 2: and he goes, what does Josh have on me? It's
Speaker 2: like four million followers on TikTok or whatever he has.
Speaker 2: I don't think he has four million, but he has
Speaker 2: a couple mill I think on TikTok he's baiting his dogs.
Speaker 2: He's got a great story on the background. We've talked
Speaker 2: about it before on this show, but Trent was like,
Speaker 2: what's he got on me? Yeah, it's good to have
Speaker 2: those guys.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and what's crazy?
Speaker 8: Not crazy, but what what's admirable also is when you
Speaker 8: talk about a Cowboys organization that moved on from l
Speaker 8: p LA de sur I love saying.
Speaker 9: Of the legendary long snapper.
Speaker 8: Obviously a lot of Cowboys fans were like, what are
Speaker 8: you doing? Especially how that all went down. Trent c
Speaker 8: comes in and just effortlessly picks it up and runs
Speaker 8: with it.
Speaker 2: And the other part about it, too, is without John Fossil. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had some question marks when John Fossil took the
Speaker 2: job of Tennessee this offseason. You said, Okay, is this
Speaker 2: the end of what has been a golden era of
Speaker 2: special teams for the Cowboys? Not necessarily. You've got Brandon
Speaker 2: of course for a little bit of time. Brandon Aubrey's
Speaker 2: back next year. Now you get Trent said you're planning
Speaker 2: on resigning Anger. He signed j Goode j W.
Speaker 9: The next to them.
Speaker 8: Listen if he good Win is back on another one
Speaker 8: year deal at veteran minimum. CJ is is chugging along
Speaker 8: and we love it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so he did a silently great year, which
Speaker 2: is kind of what you expected.
Speaker 9: Us. Spoke with CJ.
Speaker 8: Goodwin throughout the process, spoke with him after he agreed
Speaker 8: to terms and again after he signed the deal, and
Speaker 8: he's he glows like a twenty three year old man,
Speaker 8: Like he's excited right now in his early thirties as
Speaker 8: he was at twenty three. So you'd love to see that. Now,
Speaker 8: let's talk about the exclusive rights for the agents. Brock
Speaker 8: Hoffman one Ya, Thomas, Tyrus Wheat all locked out, all
Speaker 8: locked in, lock him up, lock him up, all good stuff,
Speaker 8: all on minimum deal, so to be around one point
Speaker 8: old one So let's just say roughly one million dollars
Speaker 8: per for each of them. But brought Kaufman, which is
Speaker 8: either your potential starter at center or your potential starter
Speaker 8: at right guard. He is still in the building one
Speaker 8: year Thomas. We already know what he can do for
Speaker 8: special teams. We know what he can do for the
Speaker 8: defensive standpoint, much like Marquise Bell. He has potential to
Speaker 8: be a future starter at the safety position.
Speaker 7: We know what he can do in the preseason, which
Speaker 7: is almost get me fired and kicked out of the
Speaker 7: press box.
Speaker 9: What is that stories I.
Speaker 7: Yelled during one day Thomas' first interception in the preseason.
Speaker 9: Then you know you can't have outbursts and you can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah. I got the eyes from Derek at
Speaker 7: one point.
Speaker 9: Yes, they came, Oh yeah was that in so fire?
Speaker 2: Was that here?
Speaker 7: That was here?
Speaker 2: It was here, it was here?
Speaker 7: And I got the glaring eyes from Derek and I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, I'm messed up.
Speaker 8: The hollow hook like you're going to see it come
Speaker 8: out of Yeah, tyres week key special teamer as well.
Speaker 8: Talk about keeping special teams together and a nice defensive,
Speaker 8: rotational guy on a break glass in case of emergency
Speaker 8: type deal. Now let's talk about the who we lost,
Speaker 8: because I want to end on a good note. Yeah,
Speaker 8: well we lost toy Doga. Here, lost Toy Doga to
Speaker 8: the Jacksonville jag Wars good luck two years at seven
Speaker 8: million dollars, and now it goes from there.
Speaker 9: We lost Chauncey Ghoston. It's a step up.
Speaker 8: It is a step up to the Giants. He's going
Speaker 8: to Big Blue Boys. Something about the NFC East teams,
Speaker 8: you know, picking the part the Cowboys, keeping.
Speaker 7: A close eye. I thought we were the worst team
Speaker 7: in the in the divide works.
Speaker 2: I mean we're not We're.
Speaker 9: Not funny how that works. Everybody wants your talent, But.
Speaker 7: If it was left of the public opinion, we would.
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 8: Supposedly you suck, but your your rivals want all your talent.
Speaker 8: Chauncey Ghoston to Big Blue three years at nineteen and
Speaker 8: a half.
Speaker 2: Chauncey's gonna have a good career.
Speaker 8: Well, I think they're going to full time him at
Speaker 8: defensive end and.
Speaker 2: They're going to push him back to end, which was
Speaker 2: not as normal position. He was a third round pick
Speaker 2: at as an edge out of Iowa. They tried to
Speaker 2: pigeonhole him a little bit. I was the one that
Speaker 2: wrote the story on how they moved it to defensive
Speaker 2: tackle and it just didn't work the way that they anticipated.
Speaker 10: What was his contract twenty nineteen and a half, so yeah,
Speaker 10: roughly twenty They tried to hyron Crawford him too much
Speaker 10: less over two years or three three three a nineteen
Speaker 10: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would have hit that number. I would
Speaker 2: have done that to keep him around just as a
Speaker 2: rotational guy.
Speaker 8: Well, you know what, it's tough. I'll put an asterisk
Speaker 8: go on that because I'll say this to that. What
Speaker 8: if they were willing to match that number or come
Speaker 8: close to it. But from a Chauncey ghost and standpoint,
Speaker 8: he was like, how are you going to play me? Yeah,
Speaker 8: if you're going to keep me with the rotation Hiroon
Speaker 8: Crawford thing, then I'm out because I can get this
Speaker 8: money somewhere else as a full time.
Speaker 2: Defense b and ed Rusher.
Speaker 8: Right, So I get the get I get that. That's
Speaker 8: sure that that conversation.
Speaker 2: I think it's a better fit. Their defensive front is
Speaker 2: not nearly as as deep. Even with all the problems
Speaker 2: and holes that we're talking about. They don't have a
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons. They didn't have a DeMarcus Lawrence, they don't
Speaker 2: have Sam Williams. They don't have a couple of these
Speaker 2: other guys that were waiting to get healthy along the way,
Speaker 2: Marshawn Neeland being another one.
Speaker 7: But you put him next to Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're they're gonna let him eat. He'll be good
Speaker 2: there for a.
Speaker 9: Little good yea. And now the biggest loss.
Speaker 7: Thank you guys for listen. Imprest it.
Speaker 9: George Leaves to the Jacksonville jack Wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three years I paid nickel in the NFL history.
Speaker 2: It's for the span of like seven hours.
Speaker 8: And you know, I love that. For Jordan, I cannot
Speaker 8: stress it. Of course, this is something that he had,
Speaker 8: he deserves.
Speaker 9: He came in. Look at his journey. He came in.
Speaker 8: He was pegged as undersized by you know, Christopher Shard
Speaker 8: and Rob Marynelli at the time, and all he did
Speaker 8: was just grind through it and just pushed through it,
Speaker 8: and he ended up becoming a starter, and he became
Speaker 8: the resident Ballhawk before Trevon Diggs and de Ron Blank
Speaker 8: came into the picture. He's always been that culture guy.
Speaker 8: He's always been that dog. Talk about the rookie training
Speaker 8: cap him versus Deaz Bryant. You knew then, you knew
Speaker 8: then that that, uh, that Jordan Lewis is going to
Speaker 8: be a problem. He's yapping at peak Das Bryant, yep
Speaker 8: as a rookie Desmond, I'll.
Speaker 9: Never forget the desmin the DEAs Man.
Speaker 8: So Jordan Lewis, he leaves and he gets his bag rightfully,
Speaker 8: so it creates a massive void at the cornerback position.
Speaker 8: We'll get into that here shortly. As far as the gets,
Speaker 8: who do we get? Javonte Thomas from the Broncos, running back, young,
Speaker 8: twenty five, twenty six year old guy, one year deal
Speaker 8: at three and a half million dollars.
Speaker 9: Thomas, I think we're Williams.
Speaker 2: Think you combine two of our signings in one. Name
Speaker 2: was Davonte Williams driving all night?
Speaker 9: Five, driving all night?
Speaker 2: All right, Javonte Williams, you were driving all night?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I drove in from North Carolina one year at three
Speaker 8: and a half million dollars. And we'll talk about what
Speaker 8: all of this means respectively. We're just going down the
Speaker 8: list right now. Robert Jones, offensive lineman from the Dolphins,
Speaker 8: one year, four point seventy five million dollars. Solomon Thomas
Speaker 8: defensive lineman, most recently played for the Jets under Aaron Whitecotton,
Speaker 8: who is now the defensive line coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Solomon Thomas also x first round pick of the San
Speaker 8: Francisco forty nine ers. I was very high on Thomas
Speaker 8: coming entering that draft that year. Two years at eight
Speaker 8: million dollars for Solomon Thomas, get him tagged up with
Speaker 8: OsO Diggi Zua.
Speaker 9: They play similar roles. We'll talk about that as well.
Speaker 8: So as far as who was acquired right now, biggest
Speaker 8: name is going to be Solomon Thomas, and I approve
Speaker 8: of that greatly. So that's who has chosen to stay.
Speaker 8: That's who we've lost and who that's who is incoming.
Speaker 8: And now I opened the door.
Speaker 2: The table for the conversation.
Speaker 9: Conversation.
Speaker 2: I think we got to start with the biggest name,
Speaker 2: and the most recent one is Solomon Thomas.
Speaker 7: Confirmed a mere twenty minutes ago before we started this.
Speaker 2: So luckily a look, we got it beforehand. We might
Speaker 2: have another name by the end of the show. We see,
Speaker 2: we'll see what ends up happening. Of course, Thomas out
Speaker 2: of college was just straight up a dude, went to
Speaker 2: San Francisco, never really hit the ground running with San Francisco,
Speaker 2: was shipped off to Las Vegas, and then ended up
Speaker 2: with the Jets the last three seasons. Last year finished
Speaker 2: with twenty two total pressures on two hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: two pass rushing snaps, had seventeen tackles, four sacks, and
Speaker 2: Remember this is a defensive tackle, not an edge rusher,
Speaker 2: still kind of an athletic three tech former top five pick.
Speaker 2: I think when you're looking at Solomon Thomas, everybody's going
Speaker 2: to look at the name. And I've seen the Twitter's fear.
Speaker 2: I've seen the comments sections and everybody looking at this
Speaker 2: and saying, why aren't we going and getting this guy
Speaker 2: or that guy or another guy. Not every signing can
Speaker 2: be a fifteen million dollars name. Solomon Thomas is as
Speaker 2: close to a good rotational depth piece that has some
Speaker 2: upside talent and as a veteran in this league at
Speaker 2: six foot two, two hundred and fifty five pounds, that
Speaker 2: you can rely on to kind of mix and match
Speaker 2: with Osadigi Zuez.
Speaker 7: Patrick mentioned a moment again, and you have some familiarity
Speaker 7: there too with Aaron White Cotton, who's our defensive line
Speaker 7: coach now, who obviously played under him last year with
Speaker 7: the New York Jets. Well of the last two years.
Speaker 7: I'm a little concerned just looking Pro football focus wise,
Speaker 7: I haven't watched a lot of tape on Solomon Thomas,
Speaker 7: but the overall run defensive grade now that's been obviously
Speaker 7: our Achilles heel on defense for the last few years decades,
Speaker 7: it feels like. But Patrus Grady gets a sixty one
Speaker 7: point two, which is above average. I'm liking as far
Speaker 7: as what you're saying, he looks the part. Dude looks massive.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: The fact that he's also from Coppell, which that's intriguing too.
Speaker 7: Welcome home, right, But I'm a little concerned as far
Speaker 7: as run defense wise, But for the price that you're getting,
Speaker 7: I completely understand it, and I like the signing here.
Speaker 7: And you can no longer say the Cowboys are not
Speaker 7: doing anything in free agency this year compared to last year.
Speaker 7: Come on, guys, what are we talking about.
Speaker 8: I think when you talk about the fit of Solomon Thomas,
Speaker 8: you make a great point. There is a question mark
Speaker 8: around his run defense. However, look at him as as
Speaker 8: an OSA back up. Okay, so, because we all know
Speaker 8: Olso didn't like the defensive lineman, they're not going to
Speaker 8: play one hundred percent of the snaps. What you're trying
Speaker 8: to prevent is a massive fall off from when OSA
Speaker 8: leaves the game for Rest or whatever the sub package
Speaker 8: might be. If you put a guy like Solomon Thomas
Speaker 8: in there, then you know that, although it might not
Speaker 8: be the exact same level of what OSA will give
Speaker 8: you, you know that you're going to get a guy who
Speaker 8: can penetrate the backfield.
Speaker 2: Just like he's Chouncey Golston's replacement.
Speaker 8: He's a replacement for Chauncey Ghoston. But I would argue
Speaker 8: that he's a step up. He's an upgrade. I believe
Speaker 8: he's an upgrade over Cho today. And now I don't
Speaker 8: know if I could say I believe the Jets version
Speaker 8: of Solomon Thomas with Aaron Whitecotton is an upgrade over
Speaker 8: Chauncey Ghoston. I believe the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 8: version of him would not necessarily be viewed that way.
Speaker 9: I like what Aaron white Cotton was able to do.
Speaker 2: He has ten sacks over the last two years.
Speaker 8: There you go five sacks twenty three three and a
Speaker 8: half sacks in twenty twenty, so he can get after
Speaker 8: the quarterback. Twelve quarterback hits collectively over the last two seasons,
Speaker 8: so he can get back there. He's also going to
Speaker 8: be available for you sixteen games available last season seven.
Speaker 2: I can I stop you just for a one second,
Speaker 2: because I'm looking at this comment section. We're not hyping
Speaker 2: up Solomon Thomas. That's not the point they're starting though.
Speaker 2: Why are we spending money on these backup players. You
Speaker 2: got to build a roster, and he's the biggest name
Speaker 2: so far because he's a former top five pick. That's
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. So I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: comment section. He says he's a bench player. Yes, rotational
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. They signed him for money. Yes, Oh okay,
Speaker 2: they signed him for money that is equal to what
Speaker 2: a rotational defensive tackle should make in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: We're not saying that he's going to be an incredible
Speaker 2: player and that he's a game changer and whatever it
Speaker 2: may be. They haven't made that signing yet. Let's make
Speaker 2: that be completely clear here. Out of the names that
Speaker 2: we just read off and the guys that they're bringing back,
Speaker 2: Osu Digizu is the biggest impact player that they've retained.
Speaker 2: But as I'm looking at this comment section, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that Solomon Thomas is the difference maker of the
Speaker 2: NFL and the difference maker for how the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: gonna win the NFC East and make a run to
Speaker 2: the n NFC title game for the first time since
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. Stop it. They got to put players
Speaker 2: on the roster. You gotta build a roster here, guys
Speaker 2: playing in simple Listen, that's how.
Speaker 7: Fun Frendon says. Bodies, bodies, bodies.
Speaker 8: We need bodies, bodies, bodies because at a certain point, yes, yes,
Speaker 8: we all agree we would like the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: They haven't made the splash sight and we wore the
Speaker 2: splash we want.
Speaker 8: That's however, playing in some still also have to build
Speaker 8: your bench.
Speaker 9: Okay, you have to build your bench.
Speaker 8: So yes, we can talk about how greatly we approve
Speaker 8: of the Solomon Thomas signing as a backup. So stop
Speaker 8: stop the corny almost.
Speaker 7: Was Dante Fowler was he was? He kind of a
Speaker 7: rotation He was a rotation guy. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 7: and he kind of likes all right.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you look at twenty twenty four, for example,
Speaker 8: you're ravaged by injuries, right, and you keep going deeper
Speaker 8: and deeper into the depth toy you any talented guys.
Speaker 8: And like I said, when you look at what Solomon
Speaker 8: Thomas brings to the table, they're not trying to make
Speaker 8: him a starter. Ideally, they want him to be rotational
Speaker 8: behind oh, so Diggizu and then in certain packages maybe
Speaker 8: they'll play side by side, depending if it's like third
Speaker 8: and long or something like that.
Speaker 2: But he's more than capable.
Speaker 8: He's proven it, and he's reuniting with the guy in
Speaker 8: whitecotton who's gotten the most out of him thus far
Speaker 8: in his career with the New York Jets. This is
Speaker 8: a really good pickup for the Cowboys. We're not saying
Speaker 8: he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 9: Relax.
Speaker 8: It's okay to hear that we like something without taking
Speaker 8: it and running all the way down.
Speaker 9: The street with oh, they're trying to put a gold
Speaker 9: jacket on it.
Speaker 8: We want to see more action too, So just calm down,
Speaker 8: just relax.
Speaker 2: And that's my point is, you're right. The track record
Speaker 2: hasn't been there. And we've talked about this on this
Speaker 2: show multiple times before, and we're not going to back
Speaker 2: up the fact that if Solomon Thomas is the biggest
Speaker 2: name that you're signing this offseason, then that's a failure
Speaker 2: playing and simple. That's a failure of an off season.
Speaker 2: But right now, in the moment, when we're literally on
Speaker 2: day two, we haven't even been forty eight hours into
Speaker 2: this thing of the legal tampering period. Then we're able
Speaker 2: to talk about it and say, hey, that's a decent signing.
Speaker 2: That's something that it's good for the value, and it's
Speaker 2: good for your defense. It's not everything is the beginning
Speaker 2: or the end of something special and not the playing
Speaker 2: and simple point.
Speaker 7: Free agency is this weird microcosm of and I think
Speaker 7: Nick Harris put it really well yesterday front of the
Speaker 7: Show Nick Harris, he said, and this is something that
Speaker 7: I always think of when it comes to free agency.
Speaker 7: But it's like that day one, you're often paying top
Speaker 7: tier money for second tier players. Yeah, that's the name
Speaker 7: of the game. The Cowboys have not spent over six
Speaker 7: million dollars on a free agent since Greg Hardy. So
Speaker 7: my thing is here, what are the Cowboys doing strategically
Speaker 7: this year compared to last year.
Speaker 9: Let me put it this way, and I'll qualify it.
Speaker 7: It's night and day.
Speaker 9: To Cole's point, we.
Speaker 8: Are sitting here and we're talking about how much we
Speaker 8: really love the Solomon Tomma pick for what it is.
Speaker 7: For what it is, for what it is what it is,
Speaker 7: but we.
Speaker 8: Don't and I'm going to speak for these guys, and
Speaker 8: I know they're going to agree. We don't have the
Speaker 8: same energy about a Javonte Williams and a Robert Jones,
Speaker 8: two guys on a one year deal who will have
Speaker 8: to fight their way through training camp to maintain a
Speaker 8: roster spot. We're not sitting here saying Javonte Williams is
Speaker 8: going to preclude you from taking Ashton Gent if he's
Speaker 8: available as well, or from getting happy.
Speaker 2: He's a body of Carolina and he's twenty four years old, right.
Speaker 2: I like the youth. I like the like the youth.
Speaker 8: There's some things to light there, but we're not going
Speaker 8: to speak of him in the same way we're speaking
Speaker 8: about Solent Solent Thomas. So qualify each thing that we're
Speaker 8: saying and each thing that we're talking about.
Speaker 2: People just want to listen, and they just want to complain,
Speaker 2: and they just want to get it.
Speaker 7: But like what Chris Hare says, don't waste our time
Speaker 7: arguing with Chad. Let's let's supplement it with with some chat.
Speaker 9: Let's say what to Javonta Williams.
Speaker 8: Again, I don't think I know for a fact it
Speaker 8: doesn't preclude them from using a premium pick and running back.
Speaker 8: But I do get the feeling that that's signing precludes
Speaker 8: them from keep being reco.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree, and I want to
Speaker 2: hit that on the other side of the break. I
Speaker 2: want to hit that on the other side of the break.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree there, because I like
Speaker 2: the upside of Javonte Williams, but I don't think Rico
Speaker 2: Daddle's out of the question yet. Right after that, more
Speaker 2: talking cowboys after the break.
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Speaker 2: Free agency addition, I know the tensions are high right now,
Speaker 2: but let me just remind you. Last year there was
Speaker 2: a statement that kind of rung amongst Cowboys Nation because
Speaker 2: people believed Jerry Jones and what he was saying at
Speaker 2: the time, and that statement was all in. They believed
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 7: What happened? Were they all in last year?
Speaker 9: All out?
Speaker 2: They were not? So why are people believing it? Whenever
Speaker 2: he goes up and speaks to the media on Wednesday
Speaker 2: and he says, yeah, we're not really.
Speaker 7: Looking at free agents.
Speaker 2: Why do you believe it?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 2: Why do you believe that?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 9: They're selectively aggressive with they believe.
Speaker 2: It's gamesmanship and if they aren't aggressive there, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's part of it. I mean, that's just kind of
Speaker 2: been their track record, and we're talking about it. But
Speaker 2: I'm at least gonna sit here and watch this thing
Speaker 2: unfold as opposed to assume.
Speaker 9: What's going to happen.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're talking about what is playing out currently.
Speaker 9: Everyone who will head it.
Speaker 8: From you on Twitter knows that's my main thing. Let
Speaker 8: it play out. Stop with the knee jerks and just
Speaker 8: let it play out and then assess it in hindsight
Speaker 8: and say this is what should have been done.
Speaker 9: But you don't know what's going to be done.
Speaker 2: Or not It's like people that give grades after the
Speaker 2: draft is over and they're like, yeah, the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 2: are going to win the Super Bowl because they had
Speaker 2: all these great names that fell to them in the draft.
Speaker 2: And then where is Jacksonville again?
Speaker 9: This just happens.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And this is the same Jerry Jones who said
Speaker 8: that a couple of weeks ago at the NFL Combine,
Speaker 8: he said that we're not the combat.
Speaker 9: He didn't speak at the combin but shortly.
Speaker 7: After the come famously didn't speak at the combat.
Speaker 8: Shortly after the combine, he said that the Cowboys weren't
Speaker 8: looking to use free agency to Phil Holes, Salomon Thomas
Speaker 8: feels one.
Speaker 9: So you know, and and so it might go from there.
Speaker 8: My point being is Kyle's point, just let it play
Speaker 8: out and see what happens, and stop always biting the
Speaker 8: carrot that Jerry intentionally puts out there for you to bite.
Speaker 7: The sound bites are sound bites for that exactly.
Speaker 9: There you go.
Speaker 2: The other thing that lines and that hasn't been talked
Speaker 2: about enough, is this is a really mid.
Speaker 7: Free agent class. Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 2: This is not a great free agent class. You don't
Speaker 2: have the names like Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry at
Speaker 2: the top and some of those other names like they
Speaker 2: had last year.
Speaker 7: This is a mid free agent.
Speaker 9: Now, I will say this.
Speaker 8: I will counter that by saying it was a mid
Speaker 8: free agent class until teams started to release premium names
Speaker 8: ahead of Legal Tampa. You're talking about now, I wanted
Speaker 8: a guy like Jonathan Allen for example. Example Hardgrave was
Speaker 8: out there and.
Speaker 7: They both go to the Vikings.
Speaker 9: They did Vikings, put in some work.
Speaker 8: Drake Greenlaw, he was a nick that the Cowboys were
Speaker 8: interested in connection to Nick Sorenson. There, I said, keep
Speaker 8: an eye on Drake Greenlaw. Cowboys did have interest, they
Speaker 8: reached out. They lost that battle.
Speaker 7: My heart fluttered a little bit without right.
Speaker 8: So say there there were there was an influx of
Speaker 8: big names that were released prior to legal tampering. And
Speaker 8: though that list of big names that wasn't mid. You're right,
Speaker 8: that was not mid.
Speaker 2: But the original free original was like yeah, but I
Speaker 2: mean right now, according.
Speaker 7: To Broncos by the way, Craig green Lock.
Speaker 2: Got it, Greg Rosenthal's like top one hundred and one
Speaker 2: free agents that we read through last week on the show,
Speaker 2: the best available name right now is Amari Cooper.
Speaker 9: So now we're back to mid.
Speaker 2: It's med.
Speaker 9: Now we're back to mid.
Speaker 8: So Cowboys, I will say, and I agree with Cowboys
Speaker 8: fans here, they did have their shot. You had your
Speaker 8: chance to take Jonathan Allen, Hardgrave, Dre Greenlaw, which was
Speaker 8: high on my list, some of these other names.
Speaker 9: Charge Charvarius Ward. Now you former caight if you wanted
Speaker 9: to pay that money or not.
Speaker 11: We talked about that last week, right, But he got
Speaker 11: a bag though, he did get it.
Speaker 2: What did he get? What a Charter Ward don't have.
Speaker 2: I'll look at it, I'll get it.
Speaker 9: All it was a It was a whole bag. Proud
Speaker 9: of Tarvaria's.
Speaker 8: But so yeah, for the names that were influxing, and
Speaker 8: there's there's another name that's going to expected to come
Speaker 8: free here soon if reports are true, and say, if
Speaker 8: reports are true, to cover ourselves from tamprein rupee. If
Speaker 8: reports are true, and if the Los Angeles Rams opt
Speaker 8: to release Cooper Cup, that's another premium name that will
Speaker 8: hit the market. And guess what, the Cowboys still need
Speaker 8: a wide receiver too, So put in the call. Kick
Speaker 8: some tires on Cooper Cup.
Speaker 7: You don't have three first round picks. You just have one.
Speaker 8: Now, and that would be a perfect example of if
Speaker 8: you go and get a guy like Cooper Cup now
Speaker 8: it really frees you up to do to do whatever
Speaker 8: you want for that.
Speaker 7: That sounds like filling holes.
Speaker 9: No, see, hey do it.
Speaker 2: Thirty five million, twenty million guaranteed over three years for Ward.
Speaker 2: That is a bag.
Speaker 9: That's a whole bit.
Speaker 7: I don't think they would have been able to do
Speaker 7: that or wanted to do.
Speaker 8: That for know why that's frustrated? Yeah, because he was
Speaker 8: in the building.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: I thought about this and I wrote this in an
Speaker 8: article in one of the Open Market series Butterfly Effect,
Speaker 8: because you have to wonder, because I think scientifically you
Speaker 8: have to wonder if you keep tur Varius Ward. You know,
Speaker 8: is Deron Bland here No exactly, so you have to
Speaker 8: wonder he can choose. But he was here, and that
Speaker 8: Parker guy, you know of where is he now? So nonetheless,
Speaker 8: there's still some names are going to come up right
Speaker 8: now because the premium names are all going. I'm with
Speaker 8: Kyle now he gets back to it being a mid
Speaker 8: free agency, which then now you're trying to feel what
Speaker 8: you can feel before you get to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 8: But again, if that Cooper Cup guy comes free, absolutely
Speaker 8: go hard at that.
Speaker 9: In my opinion.
Speaker 2: Uh, going back to our conversation in the first segment
Speaker 2: when we were talking about running back and Williams.
Speaker 8: I disagree he's had some health issues, but Cup sucks.
Speaker 7: Watch watch some films, guys.
Speaker 2: Uh, the the Javante Williams Ricodowdell conversation. I don't think
Speaker 2: Javonte Williams his signing.
Speaker 7: I don't think.
Speaker 2: It'll discourage ric o'dowdell from coming back now. I don't
Speaker 2: think rico' dawell will come back for outside reasons, because
Speaker 2: there are a number of reasons why he wants to
Speaker 2: test the market. His value has never been this high,
Speaker 2: especially at a time where he's been a free agent totally.
Speaker 2: He established himself as a legitimate NFL running back this
Speaker 2: past year, going for one thousand yards. There's some question
Speaker 2: marks though from the league, question marks on if he
Speaker 2: wants to be in a one to two punch in
Speaker 2: a loaded backfield. There's nobody lining up to go grab
Speaker 2: Rico Dowdell as their feature back right now, especially when
Speaker 2: he only had the two touchdowns last year and he
Speaker 2: had some red zone, fumbling issues, and a couple of
Speaker 2: things like that. I'm looking at Rico Dowdell as a maybe,
Speaker 2: but I really I would put it more so on
Speaker 2: the side of he's gonna get some money and he's
Speaker 2: going to go somewhere, kind of like what Javonte Williams
Speaker 2: did from Denver, same kind of thing. Williams had been
Speaker 2: with Denver for a good amount of time. Denver probably
Speaker 2: would have brought him back on less than three point
Speaker 2: five million. It's three million with three point five is incentives,
Speaker 2: is what Dallas signed him to this year. Denver would
Speaker 2: have probably tried to bring him back on less than that,
Speaker 2: but he's going to try it somewhere else. Dallas needs
Speaker 2: a guy to fill some roles, and now you've got
Speaker 2: somebody other than Deuce Vaughan in your backfield that can
Speaker 2: tote the rock rock and have some production.
Speaker 7: For sure, at least with Rico. If it is a
Speaker 7: situational thing, and I don't know, I'm just speculating. If
Speaker 7: it is a situational thing where he wants to be
Speaker 7: the lead back, I don't know that there is an
Speaker 7: NFL team that is willing to give him that. I
Speaker 7: don't know that he's built that over the second half
Speaker 7: of last season to say I'm the lead guy. This
Speaker 7: is it. Yeah, I think his best bet is going
Speaker 7: to be a one to two punch to me. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's less hits that he has to take. That's more
Speaker 7: opportunities for him to have spurts where he goes out
Speaker 7: there and does things. But I don't know, man, Maybe
Speaker 7: the writing is on the wall here. You probably expect
Speaker 7: the Cowboys to draft a really young, obviously rookie in
Speaker 7: the NFL Draft. So I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 7: that the writing's on the wall here for him necessarily,
Speaker 7: but I think getting Javonte Williams says to him most
Speaker 7: likely the leverage isn't necessarily on his side anymore. We
Speaker 7: don't need a Rico. It would be nice to have
Speaker 7: him in the rotation, absolutely, but on the wall, baby.
Speaker 8: I think the timing of signing Javonte Williams is telling
Speaker 8: when you look at, you know, the Cowboys last year
Speaker 8: and the year prior, the way they attacked the running
Speaker 8: back position at free agency was they kind of waited, right,
Speaker 8: They waited until after the draft, saw where all the
Speaker 8: chips failed. Then they saw who was still available, and
Speaker 8: then they kind of played it from there as far
Speaker 8: as throwing bodies at the position.
Speaker 9: Okay, the fact that.
Speaker 8: Instead of signing Rico up front and what is still
Speaker 8: the first wave of free agency, as we have this conversation,
Speaker 8: you throw a one year, three and a half million
Speaker 8: dollar deal at a younger Javonte Williams. It makes me
Speaker 8: wonder because what does that mean. Does that mean that
Speaker 8: you didn't think Javonte Williams would be available later on
Speaker 8: at one year, three and a half million dollars.
Speaker 2: It feels like he might have probably would have.
Speaker 8: So if you're willing to do that, let's round up
Speaker 8: to four million dollars for easy math. If you're willing
Speaker 8: to throw forward him, and let's say you were to
Speaker 8: bring back Rico, and Rico's projective value is six.
Speaker 9: That's ten.
Speaker 8: I think now that takes you out of premium pick
Speaker 8: for a running back. But I don't think you are
Speaker 8: comfortable doing that if you're the Cowboys. I think you're
Speaker 8: really trying to find the future at the position. So
Speaker 8: and I just I don't when for those that are saying, okay, well,
Speaker 8: because you brought up a good name, Ronald Jones yeah,
Speaker 8: Ronald Jones wasn't signing the first wave.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Royce Freeman. Ron Jones signed in the first wave.
Speaker 8: So I think that when you look at the one year,
Speaker 8: three and a half million, you're thinking, okay, well, maybe
Speaker 8: that keeps Rico in the conversation. Maybe it does, but
Speaker 8: something keeps telling me the timing of it, like why
Speaker 8: sign Javonte right now? Unless you're looking at Rico saying, hey,
Speaker 8: you know this is our plan.
Speaker 7: And but on your on your point of premium pick
Speaker 7: being a running back, I don't know that that's the
Speaker 7: case anymore, especially after yesterday when you're now looking for
Speaker 7: healthy cornerback.
Speaker 9: But define premium pick.
Speaker 7: Premium pick in the first or second round for me.
Speaker 9: Fair So if you, let's say you don't get it,
Speaker 9: there's depth there.
Speaker 8: Obviously, don't get an Ashton Gent Yeah, in like the
Speaker 8: first round, but depending on how the chips fall, hypothetically speaking,
Speaker 8: you get Chael Mario on Hampton second round. Okay, still
Speaker 8: a premium pick, that's aah and in a damn good
Speaker 8: pick in the second round.
Speaker 7: We're going with all North Carolina running back.
Speaker 9: Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 8: I know Jesse Holly would just be thrillered, right, But
Speaker 8: I say that the type of situation I feel would
Speaker 8: be more conducive. And this is we we love what
Speaker 8: Rico brought to the table. We're big Rico for Rico,
Speaker 8: We're big Rico fans here. But if you look at
Speaker 8: the plan going forward, uh, and then you look at
Speaker 8: it from a Rico standpoint, his entire career has been
Speaker 8: playing behind guys Zeke and Tony for several years, and
Speaker 8: then when he got healthy, he then had to he
Speaker 8: was forced into the by committee approach, clearly fromrustrated by
Speaker 8: that he finally breaks free of that he gets his
Speaker 8: one thousand yards, first undrafted player in Cowboys history to
Speaker 8: do so, this might be as much leverage on the
Speaker 8: open market as he ever sees. So make a good point, Josh,
Speaker 8: I'm hard pressed to figure out which team would you
Speaker 8: know pay.
Speaker 9: Him what his asking price is.
Speaker 8: I feel like the Rico deal will be it here
Speaker 8: or somewhere else lands later this week, in like the
Speaker 8: second wave of free agents.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't know who it is here. Zach
Speaker 7: Palmer says Rico and his agent may have overplayed their hand.
Speaker 8: Maybe very but also I can't blame him for testing
Speaker 8: the market either because no curse the first time he's
Speaker 8: ever had a chance to test.
Speaker 9: Exactly, especially with this type of value.
Speaker 7: So and to Coylle's point, there is enough film on
Speaker 7: it now to warrant that.
Speaker 9: For sure, So maybe he did overplay his inn.
Speaker 2: Now there there is a running back still available that's
Speaker 2: kind of a top name, JK Dobbins, who was an
Speaker 2: NFL Comeback Player of the Year final. Would you still
Speaker 2: be interested in bringing in another free agent name at
Speaker 2: running back because I know in the past they really
Speaker 2: don't like spending more than eight or nine million in
Speaker 2: the backfield.
Speaker 8: That's why I put that's in outther because they're not comfortable.
Speaker 2: With it exactly. So JK could be a guy. He's
Speaker 2: only twenty six. He's somebody that you could possibly bring in.
Speaker 2: Had a great year last year, kind of in a
Speaker 2: rebound from an achilles tab So twenty six year olds
Speaker 2: with some medical red flags in the past, but coming
Speaker 2: off of a great season could be something to look at.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm If you're going and signing
Speaker 2: JK Dobbins, then I think you're taking running back off
Speaker 2: of the board for Ashtan genty first off, and second off,
Speaker 2: maybe even in the second round of the NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: because then you're gonna address some of your other positions.
Speaker 9: I would still I'm in on JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 8: As I said last week when we were breaking down
Speaker 8: the open market series, I'm in on JK. Dobbins projected
Speaker 8: Viaspo Trek is four million dollars give or take four
Speaker 8: plus that three and a half, seven and a half.
Speaker 8: That doesn't take me out of the running for a
Speaker 8: premium pick, because what it does is it guarantees you
Speaker 8: because you still need to make sure.
Speaker 9: JK.
Speaker 8: Dobbins is back to JK. Dobbins that injury. See what
Speaker 8: the upside is it might take it might and I
Speaker 8: stress might, it might take me out of running.
Speaker 9: For why, First.
Speaker 2: Why do I hate like atch working our running back position?
Speaker 9: Well, this is why.
Speaker 6: Why.
Speaker 7: Because we've done it, we've been doing why.
Speaker 2: This is why I'm saying it when we're talking about
Speaker 2: this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: It shouldn't take you out the running.
Speaker 3: Then then I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to. I would rather just go grab a guy.
Speaker 2: I would rather go get one of these topics. I'm
Speaker 2: still watching the film running.
Speaker 7: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Your insurance is Javonte will Okay, So.
Speaker 8: Here's a scenario that Fonte Williams, JK Dobbins fuse like
Speaker 8: Goku and vegeta a seven million dollars dedicated to those
Speaker 8: two guys, and then you see how the draft falls.
Speaker 8: If it falls to a point where let's say you
Speaker 8: walk away with gent or hamped on it, any one
Speaker 8: of these other.
Speaker 2: Then I'm cutting one of those.
Speaker 9: You look at.
Speaker 8: Javonte Williams or JK Dobbins through you let them go
Speaker 8: through mini camp. Yeah, see who is impressing and as
Speaker 8: you approach training camp you make that decision. Then, But
Speaker 8: what I'm saying is, don't box yourself out. Don't don't
Speaker 8: go and get JK Dobbins to add to in the scenario,
Speaker 8: get JK Dobbins to add to Javontio Williams and say, oh,
Speaker 8: we're good, we're good, and we're not having to spend
Speaker 8: a premium pick on running back.
Speaker 9: No you're not. No, you're not.
Speaker 7: If we don't pick up a cornerback here in free agency,
Speaker 7: are you guys sort.
Speaker 8: Of pimped now in the top twelve? Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: So you're right because now you don't have Jordan Lewis right,
Speaker 2: you have three healthy cornerbacks on the roster currently, You've
Speaker 2: got three healthy guys, and we saw what the health
Speaker 2: and how quickly that can fade very fast in the
Speaker 2: off season or in the middle of the season as well.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, guys, I'm concerned about Trayvon.
Speaker 7: Diggs long term.
Speaker 9: Okay, I am.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about his injury.
Speaker 7: Long term, and that's sort of been the writing on
Speaker 7: the wall for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Trey, I mean, when he is healthy,
Speaker 2: he's still a great player and he's an impact guy. Doroan,
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily super worried about. I think that was
Speaker 2: just kind of a freak gear and he just reaggravated
Speaker 2: it and then went back out there and was fine.
Speaker 7: But we were never told that, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thought process with moving forward at Corner and saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're good because we've got all pros on both sides
Speaker 2: and now you don't have a nickel that you can
Speaker 2: really count on.
Speaker 7: The heart of your event.
Speaker 2: I think Corner right now has skyrocketed towards the top
Speaker 2: of my list.
Speaker 9: Which is what DT would have done if you didn't.
Speaker 2: Get if you didn't get, oh so easy.
Speaker 9: You're right, that's the situation at cornerback.
Speaker 2: And they could still add a DT and I'd be
Speaker 2: fine if, like if the hard Grave thing would have
Speaker 2: worked out.
Speaker 7: Fine, But where are you at, Jonathan Allen? Where are
Speaker 7: you at cornerback? And are there enough free agents currently
Speaker 7: that you would take a look at and not be
Speaker 7: as concerned in the first round in picking a cornerback.
Speaker 9: No, not, as we have this conversation.
Speaker 2: No Stefan Gilmour, Christian Fulton or some of the names
Speaker 2: Sante Samuel Junior out will I would think about that.
Speaker 2: Would he's only would he's only twenty five? I would
Speaker 2: look at would uh Fulton? I mean Fulton was decent,
Speaker 2: he had some good times and some bad times. And
Speaker 2: then you could bring back a thirty five year old
Speaker 2: step On Gilmour.
Speaker 9: Which still doesn't take you out of the draft.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, I don't think any of those guys
Speaker 2: would take it.
Speaker 8: And then when you look inside the building, now you
Speaker 8: look at Okay, Trevon Diggs is likely going to miss
Speaker 8: some time to start the season. And now you and
Speaker 8: rightfully said I will, I will agree that I need
Speaker 8: to see him back on the field and in prime
Speaker 8: form for an extended period of time before I can
Speaker 8: say well this this neat thing. So with that being said,
Speaker 8: you lose him for some period of time in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty five, you lose Jordan Lewis completely. Let's say Deron
Speaker 8: Blam remains healthy, Okay, great. Kailyn Carson he had very
Speaker 8: up and down, more down than uppy season and he
Speaker 8: had the season ending shoulder injury.
Speaker 2: He never had a chance to create any momentum, no
Speaker 2: work his way back.
Speaker 8: Josh Butler suffered twenty acl late in the season. Is
Speaker 8: he going to be ready to start the season, And
Speaker 8: even if he is ready, will he pick up right
Speaker 8: where he left off and be that kind of unsuspecting breakout?
Speaker 7: He was building to something, but he wasn't quite there yet.
Speaker 8: Also, Israel Mukuamu. Is he He's still a free agent
Speaker 8: right now, He's not in too a deal.
Speaker 9: So is he returning? Is he not returning? Because he is?
Speaker 11: He?
Speaker 9: Is he not? Mm air five bang.
Speaker 8: If Mukuamou does return, then at least you know you
Speaker 8: have a more than solid rotational guy who can maybe
Speaker 8: pick up some duties as like Big Nickel, Big slot.
Speaker 8: He did that against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Tom
Speaker 8: Brady the great success and that then why do.
Speaker 2: I hate this too?
Speaker 8: But I say all of that to say. Nothing I'm
Speaker 8: saying is to make you feel comfortable. Even if you
Speaker 8: bring Izzy back, he's not giving you Jordan Lewis numbers.
Speaker 8: Even if Kayln Carson gets back and hits the ground running,
Speaker 8: still a rookie, still has a curve to go. He's
Speaker 8: not going to give you Jordan Lewis up front, Josh Butler,
Speaker 8: He's not going to give you Jordan Lewis up front.
Speaker 9: You gotta address the issue.
Speaker 8: You have a boundary issue with Trevon Diggs's injury, and
Speaker 8: you got a nickel issue, and you in house, you
Speaker 8: don't have anybody to fill it. And as far as
Speaker 8: outside the building right now, with names that Charles Various
Speaker 8: going and Byron Murphy going, so forth and so on,
Speaker 8: you're kind of in dire streets.
Speaker 7: And it's not like Deron is a shutdown either, like
Speaker 7: he's a ball hawk for sure, But there were concerns
Speaker 7: for me, as far as.
Speaker 9: I do think to answer some of the questions.
Speaker 7: In most of the Tampa game, it wasn't.
Speaker 9: The case before now, but it is now.
Speaker 8: I think now you have to entertain cornerback in the
Speaker 8: first round.
Speaker 2: I think right now, as we.
Speaker 8: Say, as we sit and have this conversation March eleventh,
Speaker 8: another week before we take youre of our.
Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty five, as we sit in this very moment,
Speaker 2: I think if I had to place a bet on
Speaker 2: where the Cowboys would go in the first round had
Speaker 2: picked number twelve, I think it would be corner And
Speaker 2: the only thing that trails impossibility too is trading down.
Speaker 7: So who the fans need to look out for now?
Speaker 7: Cornerback wise?
Speaker 2: Will Johnson is the first name that kind of comes
Speaker 2: to mind around there, free agent.
Speaker 8: Which would then take you out of the first round
Speaker 8: for a quarter, right, I mean maybe if you give
Speaker 8: me a Santi Samuel Jo and your I would be
Speaker 8: comfortable for going.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for I'm looking for a nickel or a
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Speaker 2: a little concerned. But the the yeah.
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Speaker 2: Will Johnson's up there, Jade barn from Texas is up there.
Speaker 2: Let me pull up my draft sheets. The Draft show
Speaker 2: isn't for another twenty minutes. Umm, we need a break too, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Cowboys fans and shambles and players on this team, and
Speaker 2: it's it's a heated discussion. It's just yeah, yeah, like
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Speaker 7: Trade Micah at this point wasting his name career?
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 9: This?
Speaker 2: This needs to be a segment is just read the comments. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: In there is the consummate attention seecert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's let's talk about some guys that deserve
Speaker 2: some attention down the line. What are some of the
Speaker 2: rumors that are floating around out there in terms of
Speaker 2: free agent names or anybody out there, uh that you
Speaker 2: would be interested in. You kind of hit one earlier
Speaker 2: with that guy that plays out in the West Coast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, as it's staying coffee something spok coffee.
Speaker 8: Since this is such a fluid situation as far as
Speaker 8: rumors and speculation, and then teams, I mean, guys landing,
Speaker 8: It's it's difficult to pinpoint as we have this conversation
Speaker 8: because you know, if we had this show yesterday, then
Speaker 8: it's Drake Greenlow, it's our various Ward and.
Speaker 2: I think one of those two would have silenced all
Speaker 2: of the significant.
Speaker 7: No you're paying for you know, yeah, it's all bad.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 8: The intelligent, the intelligent Cowboys fan would have been like, oh, you.
Speaker 9: Absolutely wanted to.
Speaker 7: But guess who is louder uh the minority.
Speaker 2: The thirty five million. Thirty five million for Travarius Ward
Speaker 2: is a lot. It is so I think that would
Speaker 2: I would consider in overpay, but I think it might
Speaker 2: have been worth it for a team that needs cornerback
Speaker 2: help after.
Speaker 7: The loss of Jordan Lewis, it would have supplemented.
Speaker 2: It would have been fine to overpay there. But like
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier, and then you've got thirty five
Speaker 2: million for Dre Greenlaw.
Speaker 7: Too, so it ended up being right around the same.
Speaker 8: Man, think you even Justin Fields got got a bit
Speaker 8: of a bag.
Speaker 7: A bit of a bag.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what did he?
Speaker 7: Forty million dollar?
Speaker 9: Twenty million average?
Speaker 2: See what I mean? Like, gon't get gold get Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones signed with the Colts for seventeen points.
Speaker 9: And that landed. That didn't land before we started hitting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like seventeen point seven to the Coltsdaniel Jones.
Speaker 3: DJ.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I mean there there are names out there.
Speaker 8: I mean like like, how do you guys feel about
Speaker 8: Stefan Diggs, Stephan Diggs?
Speaker 9: How do you feel?
Speaker 7: Nah, I think it'd be interesting.
Speaker 9: Would they keep you auto wide receiver in addressing?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, No, it would be I think it'd be
Speaker 2: fun because one, his number is going to be lower
Speaker 2: than it ever has been.
Speaker 9: Yep, coming off with an injury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he was banged up. He didn't have a
Speaker 2: ton of success in Houston. Anyways, Can I tell you
Speaker 2: the market it's probably way off because we were looking
Speaker 2: for that year four point five, but.
Speaker 9: The market is fourteen.
Speaker 7: It would be so much lower than that, it would.
Speaker 8: Have that number go get Yeah, what if what if
Speaker 8: you could get Stephan Diggs at eight.
Speaker 7: No health wise, what's your number?
Speaker 9: Everybody has a number, ten, dude, everybody has a number.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, it's somewhere in between there, six, six
Speaker 2: and eight. I think I'd be okay his health man,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 9: A lot for him.
Speaker 2: Starter wide receiver, You're that's that's the thing. You're not
Speaker 2: asking him to be wide receiver one. You've got that.
Speaker 2: You're asking him to come play with his brother, hopefully
Speaker 2: and come play with his brother across the line of
Speaker 2: scrimmage from him and be a guy that can be supplemental.
Speaker 2: You're asking him to be Brandon Cook's hurt.
Speaker 7: Okay, earnestly, I would love to see Brandon Cooks back
Speaker 7: instead of that, Instead of that with a new offensive scheme,
Speaker 7: with a new offensive mind and using him and you there,
Speaker 7: I would rather take Brandon cook thing.
Speaker 8: Make it a three pick Brandon Cooks, Stephan Diggs, DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks be Cooks.
Speaker 9: Is I don't have a problem within I have a problem.
Speaker 2: And remember he had some availability.
Speaker 8: Trying to figure out if Schottenheimer is going to have
Speaker 8: same struggle with figuring out how to use cranic Cooks
Speaker 8: as his predecessor Mike McCarthy. That's my problem. It's not
Speaker 8: with Brandon Cooks. It's with the utilization of Brandon.
Speaker 7: And I think that changes because it's not.
Speaker 9: A complete turnover offensively.
Speaker 8: You got Schotenhaimer, And again we talked about this when
Speaker 8: Schottenheimer was named head coach. Yeah, we don't know what
Speaker 8: the Schottenheimer's offense looks like. We know what it sounds
Speaker 8: like because he's answered those questions like when I posed
Speaker 8: the question to him as far as modern modernizing the offense.
Speaker 8: We know what it sounds like, but what does it
Speaker 8: actually look like? And that that makes me a little
Speaker 8: bit nervous. So that's why I would lean maybe toward
Speaker 8: test as now out.
Speaker 7: But how did Schottenheimer answer your question about about movement
Speaker 7: on the line.
Speaker 9: It's going to be, yeah, it's going to be movement.
Speaker 2: See now we've got some really good.
Speaker 7: How better to use Brandon Cooks?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 7: Come on, man, where was it? I think with Schottenheimer
Speaker 7: implementing his new offense, I think that gives Brandon Cooks
Speaker 7: a better utilization in this offense. Maybe with with the
Speaker 7: movement with the packages.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I've seen Diggs have success in multiple places.
Speaker 9: I would love Brandon cook.
Speaker 2: I mean, so the Cooks. I guess you could say
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 8: I would love Brandon Cooks to stick around on this
Speaker 8: team if the utilization is going to get us the
Speaker 8: thousand yard possibility of Brandon Cooks. Now not saying it
Speaker 8: will be two thousand yard receivers, because he's definitely going
Speaker 8: to get his, but if that's the type of Brandon
Speaker 8: Cooks that we're getting, and this is no knock to
Speaker 8: Brandon Cooks, because this Brandon Cooks was there last year
Speaker 8: after he got back from injury. He was there year before,
Speaker 8: but just not utilized the right way.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I like what l Dub says here. Diggs will
Speaker 7: complain when he's unhappy. I think drama too.
Speaker 2: You know you think that goes down though with his
Speaker 2: brother and the too, or maybe it goes up, goes
Speaker 2: up maybe one way.
Speaker 8: And then it makes me Now you have the nock
Speaker 8: the de Hop conversation, because d Hop would be more
Speaker 8: likely more willing I speculatively speaking, would be more willing
Speaker 8: to accept the w R two role over at this
Speaker 8: point in his career, over Stefan. I think Stefan still
Speaker 8: thinks he's wr one, but he's.
Speaker 7: Not and Hop and CD would be a.
Speaker 2: I compared CD. It was funny when when CD was
Speaker 2: coming out of Oklahoma, I compared that was one of
Speaker 2: the first years I was doing like Cowboys draft coverage.
Speaker 2: Actually it was the first year, but I compared him
Speaker 2: to DeAndre Hopkins. That was my comp to him, and
Speaker 2: everybody's like, you're crazy, You're out of your mind. You
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell you're talking about. He's been
Speaker 2: better than D Hop, like CD's numbers and his impact
Speaker 2: and everything that he's done from the even the prime
Speaker 2: of D Hop's career. Go look at the numbers side
Speaker 2: by side. CD has been better and I think you
Speaker 2: could kind of see that now. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I think d hops on the back end. All three
Speaker 2: of these guys are on the back end of their career. Digs,
Speaker 2: the Hop, and Cooks, and I'm split even thinking about it,
Speaker 2: because I think each of them brings something different to
Speaker 2: the offense. And I think the Chat. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: it too. Everybody's having a debate on this too, because
Speaker 2: I think it's it's different with D Hop. You're going
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of separation, but you're not
Speaker 2: going to have the the durability with digs. You might
Speaker 2: have the separation, you might have the durability, but you've
Speaker 2: got some questions in terms of uh, the recent red
Speaker 2: flags in terms of health, and then what how would
Speaker 2: he mesh with your team and be a wide receiver too?
Speaker 2: And with Cooks, it's we've seen.
Speaker 9: It, it's utilization.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do with it? And so
Speaker 2: I think it's all of those. If we're talking six
Speaker 2: million across the board, for all three of all guys,
Speaker 2: I would probably pick Bee Cooks as and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying I like it. I would get Be Cooks and
Speaker 2: then I would spend a high pick on a on
Speaker 2: a first round or a second round wide receiver, and
Speaker 2: that would be my future. I'm with you, but I
Speaker 2: would I would go get with you. I would go
Speaker 2: get I'm leaning.
Speaker 9: I'm leaning towards the hop.
Speaker 2: I don't see when you look at the film, it
Speaker 2: is we got to go. Yeah we do. We got
Speaker 2: a draft show coming up after this.
Speaker 8: Rough of towns for Cooks, but because of it is ulization.
Speaker 2: It is Thank you for watching, thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week to continue talking about it.
Speaker 2: We'll see if any of these guys or even a possibility,
Speaker 2: or we're going straight into the draft and maybe the
Speaker 2: Cowboys in four minutes, maybe they should trade up and
Speaker 2: go into to get Travis Hunter territory so that way
Speaker 2: they can fill two roles at one time. That's the
Speaker 2: debate we need to have at some point down the line.
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