Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have enough friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, me too, but you.
Speaker 3: Can move back four more interesting.
Speaker 5: Beth Carris and I are in Gaithersburg, Maryland, stuffing ourselves
Speaker 5: into this car and about to go on a ride
Speaker 5: along of sorts. We've asked Troy to help us recreate
Speaker 5: what must have been one of the most frightening, chaotic,
Speaker 5: and terrifying days of his life.
Speaker 6: So I went up into here and then came back
Speaker 6: down this way.
Speaker 5: Beth is in the back, and I'm upfront with Troy,
Speaker 5: who's driving. He's our tour guide today and has agreed
Speaker 5: to bring us back to September eighth, twenty fourteen, the
Speaker 5: day everything changed.
Speaker 1: Probably the first place we could hit would be where
Speaker 1: Jacob went missing from on the way back, and then
Speaker 1: from there we'll go to Clarksburg and start from there.
Speaker 5: I'm Sarah Trelevin and this is Unrestorable, an original podcast
Speaker 5: from Anonymous content and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Where are we?
Speaker 1: We are entering what they call Darnstown or North Potomac,
Speaker 1: which is actually still Gaithersburg.
Speaker 5: We just drove through what looks like a pretty nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Lakeland's here, and then We're going to
Speaker 1: come out on twenty eight up here, and that'll take
Speaker 1: us right out to where Lindsay used to live.
Speaker 5: It's been about nine years since Troy has seen or
Speaker 5: heard from his two youngest kids, Sarah three and Jacob two.
Speaker 5: They were last seen with their mother, Catherine Hogle, and
Speaker 5: despite her insistence that no harm has ever come to them,
Speaker 5: police charged her with the children's murders, but she has
Speaker 5: yet to face those charges in court. Years of mental
Speaker 5: health problems led to Catherine being deemed incompetent, in other words,
Speaker 5: unable to assist in her own defense. So for the
Speaker 5: past nine years, Catherine has called the Clifton T. Perkins
Speaker 5: Hospital Center, a psychiatric institution home. At the time that
Speaker 5: his kids went missing, Troy and Catherine were still together
Speaker 5: trying to raise their three kids, but Catherine's mental health
Speaker 5: had been deteriorating and she'd been in and out of
Speaker 5: mental health facilities. Her parents, especially her mother Lindsay, had
Speaker 5: been helping with the kids, but even with his mother
Speaker 5: in law's help, Troy was basically a single parent. He
Speaker 5: was the one who did all the cooking and cleaning.
Speaker 5: He made sure that the kids got to school and
Speaker 5: gave them baths when they got home.
Speaker 6: Two o'clock is when I picked her up from the
Speaker 6: day program.
Speaker 5: Troy spent the night of September seventh, twenty fourteen, at
Speaker 5: work and the next day, September eighth, running errants that
Speaker 5: included picking Catherine up from the psychiatric hospital, where she
Speaker 5: attended a day program from morning through early afternoon.
Speaker 6: I fell up, she's not out there.
Speaker 1: Finally she comes walking out a little bit after two thirty,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, what the heck is going on? You know,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I got, you know, hung up talking
Speaker 1: with this counselor and this and whatever all eyes Later on,
Speaker 1: I find out because when I look at her phone records,
Speaker 1: she actually was trying to call CAPS.
Speaker 5: Troy was irritated because he didn't want to be late
Speaker 5: to pick up his oldest son, who would soon be
Speaker 5: dropped off by the school bus. But Catherine was normal,
Speaker 5: fine to Troy. She was acting like it was any
Speaker 5: other day.
Speaker 6: I said, my little man can't be waiting.
Speaker 5: The plan was to pick up their oldest son and
Speaker 5: then get Sarah and Jacob from daycare.
Speaker 2: And where did she tell you?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: Was she like, oh, they're in this neighborhood. They're near
Speaker 5: this complex much as they.
Speaker 1: Were in daycare, So there was nothing really said at
Speaker 1: this point because I thought I knew which one we
Speaker 1: were going to.
Speaker 5: Troy and Catherine had been discussing sending the two youngest
Speaker 5: kids to daycare. They had talked about different options, but
Speaker 5: that morning, when Troy woke up after working a late shift,
Speaker 5: the kids weren't there. Catherine had made a decision to
Speaker 5: take them to daycare, she told him. Not being consulted
Speaker 5: about that decision definitely bothered Troy. But also Catherine wasn't
Speaker 5: supposed to be driving because of the medication she was on,
Speaker 5: and apparently she had driven both kids that morning. And
Speaker 5: at this point, are you thinking anything's wrong other than like,
Speaker 5: maybe this is a bit annoying.
Speaker 1: No, I'm thinking I'm going to go get my kids
Speaker 1: from the daycare and I'll determine, you know, if I
Speaker 1: want them to go back to that daycare. But I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: also what I need to do to make sure that
Speaker 1: she's not even awake when I'm not around them, if
Speaker 1: I need to have her not there at all, because
Speaker 1: she's gonna, you know, full of craft like this.
Speaker 5: Over the past few months, it had become clear to
Speaker 5: Troy that Catherine could not be trusted to be alone
Speaker 5: with her kids. The family questioned her ability to make
Speaker 5: decisions and worried about the impact of the medication she
Speaker 5: was taking. Lindsay says that Catherine would sometimes be so
Speaker 5: drugged that she would fall into a deep sleep, impossible
Speaker 5: to wake. Other times, Catherine seemed paranoid or confused or angry,
Speaker 5: making the other adults around her uncomfortable and worried about
Speaker 5: the children's safety. So as a family, they had decided
Speaker 5: that Catherine could not be alone with the children. Troy
Speaker 5: or her mother Lindsay or her father Randy had to
Speaker 5: be around. Troy's life for the year leading up to
Speaker 5: this event had been characterized by hypervigilants, the fear that
Speaker 5: Catherine might in some way endanger the kids, even if
Speaker 5: she didn't mean to hurt them. A unilateral move like this,
Speaker 5: the loss of control to someone with a history of
Speaker 5: making irrational decisions, was exactly what Troy had been afraid of.
Speaker 2: But up until this day.
Speaker 5: This car ride, no one imagined that Catherine would actively
Speaker 5: hurt the kids. The day of September eighth begins with
Speaker 5: Troy being woken up by his oldest son before the
Speaker 5: alarm clock even goes off. Troy needs to start their day,
Speaker 5: make breakfast for all three kids, and it's so early
Speaker 5: that Troy just assumes that his two youngest kids, Sarah
Speaker 5: and Jacob, are still asleep.
Speaker 1: I notice Jacob is not in his crib, which is
Speaker 1: actually in my room still, but it was normal for
Speaker 1: him to climb out and go to my oldest bed.
Speaker 5: Looking back, Troy now sees that there were hints that
Speaker 5: things were off, but things have been off for so
Speaker 5: long that the unusual had begun to feel somewhat normal.
Speaker 1: What was also not as normal, but fairly normals for
Speaker 1: all three of them to be in the same bed
Speaker 1: by the morning.
Speaker 6: So I look at in Sarah's She's not there. Something.
Speaker 5: Next, Troy goes into his eldest son's bedroom, expecting to
Speaker 5: see the youngest kids asleep together.
Speaker 2: Instead, the room is empty.
Speaker 6: So then I'm like, you know, okay, so they're not here.
Speaker 5: Troy looks out the window and sees that his car
Speaker 5: is gone too. When he calls Catherine's cell phone, he
Speaker 5: sees it vibrating on the coffee table. He calls Lindsay
Speaker 5: Catherine's mother, but she has no idea where Catherine, Sarah
Speaker 5: or Jacob are.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, and I get my oldest ready, get
Speaker 1: him on the bus.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to free came out. It seems. I
Speaker 6: got him on a bus. I called nine one one.
Speaker 5: That might seem extreme, I know, but things had become
Speaker 5: so chaotic that Troy didn't want to take any chances.
Speaker 5: But just as Troy's connecting with a nine to one
Speaker 5: to one dispatcher, Troy sees Catherine pull up in their car.
Speaker 6: I go to the car, What the hell is going
Speaker 6: on based you know?
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, I took them to daycare.
Speaker 4: I said, hold on, I said, you're not, and where
Speaker 4: are we heading now?
Speaker 6: So right now we're heading to Clarksburg.
Speaker 4: And what's in Clarksburg.
Speaker 6: That's the apartment we lived in with.
Speaker 5: Troy believing his two youngest kids are in daycare and
Speaker 5: his oldest safely at school. His day is relatively stress free,
Speaker 5: but that irritated feeling he gets around Catherine settles in
Speaker 5: as soon as he picks her up from her day
Speaker 5: program at the hospital. She's running late, and Troy is
Speaker 5: worried they will be late. Picking up their eldest son.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, so let's go.
Speaker 2: They make it on time to meet the school bus.
Speaker 5: Next it's off to get the two babies off to
Speaker 5: a daycare that Troy has never been to but thinks
Speaker 5: he knows.
Speaker 1: I got ready to turn, but she said go, you know, continue,
Speaker 1: She was like, no, not that one. She was like,
Speaker 1: it's down farther. I said, oh, I thought. She was like, no,
Speaker 1: there's the one right behind me. So I keep going right.
Speaker 1: So if we're driving here and I'm going, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no daycares right over here? Is there?
Speaker 6: And she was like, not that I know of.
Speaker 5: Catherine tells Troy to keep driving, but things are getting
Speaker 5: very confusing, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you're positive it's in Germantown and
Speaker 1: she said yeah. I said, well, we're in Gaithersburg now,
Speaker 1: so I need to make a U turn.
Speaker 5: And the farther they go, the more it's clear that
Speaker 5: Catherine is fuzzy on where she left their two youngest kids.
Speaker 5: And Catherine is just sort of almost treating this like
Speaker 5: you're having kind of a trivial argument, like it's not
Speaker 5: a big deal. What are you getting So upset about
Speaker 5: right exactly.
Speaker 6: Her tone is kind of like, I don't understand why
Speaker 6: you're so.
Speaker 2: Angry For Troy.
Speaker 5: It was infuriating Catherine, seeming nonchalance about picking up Sarah
Speaker 5: and Jacob.
Speaker 6: I said, so, what's the play is called? I don't know? Okay,
Speaker 6: Well what road is it on?
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the street, Troy, I said,
Speaker 1: you don't remember what's called.
Speaker 6: No, well, give me their phone number. I'll call them
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 1: I'm literally in this lane in this conversation sapen And
Speaker 1: that's when she said, I don't have their phone though.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at her. This light was red.
Speaker 1: I stopped and I looked at her. I said, let
Speaker 1: me get this straight. You took my kids and dropped
Speaker 1: them off at a daycare. You don't know the name
Speaker 1: of it, you don't have an address, you don't know
Speaker 1: what street it's on, you have no idea where it is,
Speaker 1: and you don't have a phone number. And she looked
Speaker 1: at me, and that's when she said, well, they have
Speaker 1: my number. And that's whenever I felt like I was
Speaker 1: going to explode.
Speaker 5: But out of the corner of his eye, Troy sees
Speaker 5: his son, his eldest who's there in the backseat and
Speaker 5: he's hearing.
Speaker 6: All of this, and I said, okay, I can't do that.
Speaker 5: Before Troy can go any further, he needs someone to
Speaker 5: take his eldest son. So Troy calls Catherine's mother, Lindsey.
Speaker 1: I said, I want you to take my son. And
Speaker 1: Catherine was like, what are you doing? And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What am I doing? I'm having
Speaker 1: your mom meet us. He's going to go with her
Speaker 1: and she was like, he's not going with her. I said, yes,
Speaker 1: see it, And so she's going we'll go pick up
Speaker 1: you know, Sarah and Jacob. And I said, I said, no,
Speaker 1: we're going to go pick him up. I said, but first,
Speaker 1: we're going to meet your mom here.
Speaker 5: Troy pulls over to the side of the road to
Speaker 5: wait for Lindsay, who shows up ten minutes later, but
Speaker 5: Catherine is shaken out of complacency when Lindsay shows up
Speaker 5: and separates Catherine from her eldest son. She was adamant
Speaker 5: that Lindsay not take him. It seemed to trigger something
Speaker 5: desperate furious in Catherine.
Speaker 1: She starts going, well, he's not going through I'm like, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and She's.
Speaker 6: Telling her mom, Mom, just leave, just leaving. Let's going now.
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving without him at this point, and Troy
Speaker 1: wants me to take him.
Speaker 2: You know, all of this behavior is clearly troubling.
Speaker 5: Catherine had been struggling for years, but today this is
Speaker 5: all new. In the months leading up to this, Catherine
Speaker 5: was fine with her mother's involvement in their lives. Lindsay
Speaker 5: had been a safe harbor for the family. She'd picked
Speaker 5: up huge amounts of slack as a mother and grandmother.
Speaker 5: But here and now, Catherine seems determined not to be
Speaker 5: separated from her oldest son. Troy ignores her and picks
Speaker 5: up their son, putting him in the back of Lindsay's car,
Speaker 5: and I tell.
Speaker 6: Her go she pulls off.
Speaker 1: Catherine starts banging on the back of her car while
Speaker 1: she's pulling off and springing obscenities at her. I said,
Speaker 1: what the hell's wrong with you? She said, I don't
Speaker 1: trust her with him. I said that's not true. She's
Speaker 1: watched him a million times. So I said, so, where
Speaker 1: are we going to get him? And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: they're up here. She said, fine, let's go get him
Speaker 1: because I want to go get him as soon as
Speaker 1: possible from her.
Speaker 5: At this point, Troy is wondering if this is some
Speaker 5: kind of game, a control thing, maybe punishment for the
Speaker 5: last year, for the rules, the hospitalizations, for telling Catherine
Speaker 5: how she could be a mom. Maybe Catherine feels like
Speaker 5: she's in trouble again, yet again letting down her family.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm not really scared because I can
Speaker 1: my kids are in the daycare and we're going to
Speaker 1: pick them up.
Speaker 6: But I'm fearing.
Speaker 5: Right before the kids went missing, Catherine had been getting
Speaker 5: regular treatment. She was being medicated. Troy wondered if maybe
Speaker 5: they could start enjoying life's mundane moments again. But now
Speaker 5: Troy is wondering if maybe he'd been in denial that
Speaker 5: in reality they could never really be a family, And
Speaker 5: maybe he has no idea what Catherine is actually capable of.
Speaker 6: We drive up here.
Speaker 1: And I'm asking her, you know where there are things
Speaker 1: like that, and she says, well, you know where it is?
Speaker 2: This right here here was the daycare.
Speaker 5: He knew it was close to the one where his
Speaker 5: oldest had gone before he started school.
Speaker 1: So are you telling me that they're at the daycare
Speaker 1: where we put the oldest, and she said no. I said,
Speaker 1: so some one right behind it. That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go there and pick him up now. And
Speaker 1: she said, well, no, not that one. I said, well,
Speaker 1: it was the only two over here. So at that
Speaker 1: point I got the car. I opened up that door
Speaker 1: and I'm saying above her, I'm gonna where are my kids?
Speaker 5: And say sorry, you get out, walk around and open
Speaker 5: her door.
Speaker 1: Right and I'm gonna where are my kids? And she goes,
Speaker 1: they're in daycare, Troy, you know? And I said, tell
Speaker 1: me where my kids are? And whatever it is inside
Speaker 1: of me, I can't put my hands on woman. I
Speaker 1: wanted to yank her out and grab her and like
Speaker 1: force her to talk, but I just can't put my
Speaker 1: hands on a woman out of anger, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: It may sound terrible, say I wish I could at
Speaker 1: this point. I wish I was one of those dudes
Speaker 1: like it in that moment only, but just not. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. So there's all kinds of things going
Speaker 1: in my mind. I could make her talk, but nothing's happening.
Speaker 5: Troy is losing control, but he knows he needs to
Speaker 5: stay calm. He's picturing Sarah and Jacobs sitting at some
Speaker 5: daycare god knows where, feeling forgotten, the only kids whose
Speaker 5: parents haven't come to pick them up. But he's also
Speaker 5: desperately hanging onto the hope that he'll see their faces
Speaker 5: looking up at him when he finally gets there. Are
Speaker 5: you thinking at this point that maybe she doesn't know
Speaker 5: where the kids are, or maybe she's forgotten or anything.
Speaker 2: No, she's nothing with it.
Speaker 1: Or even since showing any signs of having this psychotic
Speaker 1: break with no memory or any nothing like that. She's
Speaker 1: not even acting like in terms of what I've seen
Speaker 1: is in her mental illness when it's acting up or
Speaker 1: bad or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5: Are the two of you talking about anything as this
Speaker 5: goes on.
Speaker 6: I have nothing to say to her.
Speaker 1: I just want to get my kids, get them home,
Speaker 1: get them in bed, and then put her ass out.
Speaker 6: That's all I'm thinking. At this point.
Speaker 5: She's thinking like I'm sending her to her parents or whatever,
Speaker 5: or the street.
Speaker 6: I don't care. At this point. She's a danger to
Speaker 6: my kids, So I'm just done.
Speaker 5: Driving from place to place. Troy's desperation grows. It's now
Speaker 5: after six pm. The traffic is thinning as other people
Speaker 5: make at home to spend the evening with their families
Speaker 5: to make dinner for their kids. When they pull up
Speaker 5: to a church that Catherine has directed Troy to, he
Speaker 5: feels a slight pang of relief when he sees a
Speaker 5: playground and some toys. At this point, any sign of
Speaker 5: children is a good thing.
Speaker 6: So we go there.
Speaker 1: There's a young lady there who runs the daycare, but
Speaker 1: all the kids are gone.
Speaker 5: The woman who runs the daycare confirms that Sarah and
Speaker 5: Jacob were never there, that she's never seen Catherine before.
Speaker 5: Catherine asked to use the bathroom, then comes back out
Speaker 5: and joins Troy in the car.
Speaker 6: So what she did inside What turns out is she
Speaker 6: asked to use phone.
Speaker 1: She called her mom repeatedly and tried to get her
Speaker 1: to bring the oldest back.
Speaker 6: Well, it turns out her mom.
Speaker 1: Told her was that you know, as soon as you
Speaker 1: produced the other two, then you'll see him.
Speaker 5: Troy knows this is serious, but what are his options.
Speaker 5: Catherine is the only one who knows where Sarah and
Speaker 5: Jacob are, and if he doesn't play her game or
Speaker 5: whatever this is, then maybe she'll just decide not to
Speaker 5: tell him. They start driving again.
Speaker 1: I was like, is it this one? She was like, nah,
Speaker 1: not that one. I pointed out, like pretty much every
Speaker 1: church on was it this one?
Speaker 6: Is it? This one? Is this one? The whole way
Speaker 6: up there?
Speaker 3: You know, at this point Catherine was not supposed to
Speaker 3: be alone, unsupervised with the children.
Speaker 5: Just a reminder that Beth Carris is in the car
Speaker 5: with us as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you didn't want to go there in
Speaker 3: your mind that she had done something with the children,
Speaker 3: but there was a reason why she wasn't supposed to
Speaker 3: be alone.
Speaker 1: With them, right right, And it wasn't that anyone actually
Speaker 1: at that point believed that she would physically purposely hurt them.
Speaker 6: It was more of the decision making stuff.
Speaker 5: But it's at this point, close to seven pm, the
Speaker 5: sun starting to dip, that the worst case scenario must
Speaker 5: be starting to creep into Troy's mind. Troy and Catherine
Speaker 5: had been in the car for more than four hours
Speaker 5: when they arrived at one more daycare, and this one
Speaker 5: is still open. Troy is sure that this is the
Speaker 5: one that he's going to walk through those doors and
Speaker 5: see his children. As he pulls up, he can feel
Speaker 5: his heart pounding in his chest.
Speaker 1: I pulled into it was actually this middle spot here.
Speaker 1: There was nothing here. There was like one car parked
Speaker 1: in the back there. So I'm going, so this is way,
Speaker 1: she says, yes. So I get out, walk quickly to
Speaker 1: the door. Here, go inside, and I'm so sorry I'm late.
Speaker 1: You know, I came to get my kids and the
Speaker 1: ladies looking at me, going, ain't no kids here. I'm going, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I give their names, like Sarah and Jacob.
Speaker 1: She was like, no, bought my phone. I showed her
Speaker 1: a picture on like these two and she's like they
Speaker 1: were never here. She was like, we've never seen them.
Speaker 2: Troy changes his mind.
Speaker 5: At this moment, whatever Catherine is doing, whatever game she's playing,
Speaker 5: he's done.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm going to the police station to basically
Speaker 1: have them do whatever they need to do to find
Speaker 1: out where my kids are. And I'm thinking that I
Speaker 1: need to get there before I lose control over my emotions.
Speaker 1: At this point, you know, this is it's just too much.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm like this, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So you're like really feeling on the edge here, Yes.
Speaker 1: And it's at this point I still don't think in
Speaker 1: my mind.
Speaker 6: She physically hurt my kids.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking she has left my kids somewhere where
Speaker 1: no one is except maybe one person sitting there, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's two kids stuck there, who's probably gonna call
Speaker 1: the police or CPS, thinking that they've been abandoned. She owes,
Speaker 1: why are we pulling down here? And I said to
Speaker 1: the police station is here? We're going to the police station.
Speaker 1: When I said that to her about right here, and
Speaker 1: she was like, we don't need to involve, We don't
Speaker 1: need to do that. I said, yes we do. I said,
Speaker 1: my kids aren't here. I don't know where you put them,
Speaker 1: so I need to have the police help me find them, apparently,
Speaker 1: and then she owes they're on beatheta church road.
Speaker 5: Catherine plays this like she's folding, giving up the game,
Speaker 5: like Troy has won and now she is going to
Speaker 5: really actually tell him where he can find Sarah and Jacob.
Speaker 5: Or maybe she's bargaining against something that terrifies her. Lindsey
Speaker 5: told me that when Catherine was involuntarily committed, she was
Speaker 5: handcuffed by police and taken away in front of her children,
Speaker 5: and that she'd had a paralyzing fear of police. There
Speaker 5: are red and blue lights and the loud sirens in
Speaker 5: the distance.
Speaker 1: Since I was like, what are you talking about? She said,
Speaker 1: there's a daycom Beth's Church Road. That's where I put them.
Speaker 1: And I said, so, why wouldn't you have just said
Speaker 1: that before so we could have went and picked up
Speaker 1: She said, because they actually have extended to stay there
Speaker 1: till like eight o'clock.
Speaker 6: And I was like, no one does that, that's not real.
Speaker 1: She was like, well, she's like out there, they do,
Speaker 1: she said, because parents get home much later because traffic
Speaker 1: is farther out.
Speaker 5: Now. At this point, it's near dark and Troy is done,
Speaker 5: done with Catherine, done with the wild goose chase. Plus
Speaker 5: he can't dismiss his creeping sense of alarm. He feels
Speaker 5: a tug towards the police station. But he also can't
Speaker 5: let go of the hope that the kids will be
Speaker 5: at the next daycare, that after a long and frustrating day,
Speaker 5: his life will return to what looks like normal. So
Speaker 5: he agrees to drive to Bethesda Church Road, but first
Speaker 5: Catherine pleads with him to stop for a soda. Her
Speaker 5: medication is kicking in, she says, and she's feeling tired, all.
Speaker 6: Right, I said, we'll go right here. Hit it up.
Speaker 5: Troy and Catherine pull in the parking lot of a
Speaker 5: fast food chicken sandwich place. There's a drive through, but
Speaker 5: Troy parks the car.
Speaker 1: I park right here, literally right here, in this spot,
Speaker 1: and we got out, walked in.
Speaker 5: Catherine gets a soda, and the two of them head
Speaker 5: back to the car. Troy is hopeful that the next
Speaker 5: daycare is the right one, that Sarah and Jacob will
Speaker 5: be back in his arms as soon as he can
Speaker 5: get there. But Catherine stops. She says her cup is
Speaker 5: already empty. She wants to get a refill, so she's
Speaker 5: nice and alert when they go pick.
Speaker 2: Up the kids.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, hurry up, I said, I want
Speaker 1: to go get my babies.
Speaker 2: Troy gets in the car.
Speaker 5: He's antsy and he starts it up in anticipation of
Speaker 5: Catherine returning any second.
Speaker 1: Then approximately three minutes past, and that's when it hit me.
Speaker 6: You don't stand in line for refills here.
Speaker 2: Desperate, Troy runs back into the store.
Speaker 6: So don't see her anywhere.
Speaker 1: So she's not in line, she's not off to the
Speaker 1: side getting a refill, she's nowhere inside. Walk into the
Speaker 1: men's bathroom, walking into the women's bathroom.
Speaker 6: Nothing, she's just.
Speaker 2: Gone, and now it's going through your mind.
Speaker 6: What's going through my mind now? Is just panic.
Speaker 5: Troy and knows where his next stop has to be.
Speaker 5: The police station is right across the street. He parks
Speaker 5: in front and runs inside, so like, I.
Speaker 1: Go in, there's like the window where you tell them
Speaker 1: you know why you're there or whatever.
Speaker 5: Troy frantically calls Lindsay, his own mother, Catherine's dad, Randy.
Speaker 5: Full panic has set in as he tells the cops
Speaker 5: what he's been.
Speaker 1: Through that day, Like, go do whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have to question me. Let's get that
Speaker 1: out of the way.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like whatever you got to do to get
Speaker 1: to actually finding my kids, just do it.
Speaker 2: Lindsay arrives at the police station.
Speaker 1: So Lindsay goes, I've been searching daycare for nowhere any
Speaker 1: of them in Germantown.
Speaker 6: I've driven to all with like what, like how long
Speaker 6: have you been doing it? And what is going on here?
Speaker 1: And she said, I've been worried kind of you know,
Speaker 1: says she didn't come back with Jacob last night. And
Speaker 1: I said what, and she goes, yeah, she came back
Speaker 1: without Jacob last night.
Speaker 5: Catherine had come home without Jacob the night before.
Speaker 1: I said, what the hell are you talking about, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: she goes, you didn't know Jacob wasn't there last night?
Speaker 6: I said no, I said no. One told me that.
Speaker 4: With this.
Speaker 5: It all comes crashing down that morning when Troy came
Speaker 5: home from working the night shift and he couldn't find
Speaker 5: his two youngest kids when Catherine was gone, and so
Speaker 5: was the car. Remember, Troy had started to call nine
Speaker 5: one one, but Catherine came home then and told him
Speaker 5: she'd taken the kids to daycare. It never occurred to
Speaker 5: Troy that she'd been lying. It never occurred to him
Speaker 5: that the kids hadn't spent the night in their beds,
Speaker 5: that the kids had been missing since the night before.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, like what's going on? Like this
Speaker 1: is insane, like where are my kids? And that's kind
Speaker 1: of all I'm real I think it's just where are
Speaker 1: my kids? What's going on here? Like I have to find.
Speaker 2: Them next time? On Unrestorable.
Speaker 1: The next morning, I get a call and they're asking
Speaker 1: myself and Randy to come in and saying, look, she
Speaker 1: won't tell us where the kids are. Maybe she'll tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: come ask her.
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