1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 2: It's funny because I don't know how to say this 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: without sounding like into myself. But I've had some big 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: people on this podcast and that I've had other people 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: reach out to be on it, and truthfully, what's most 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: interesting to myself and listeners is just nonsense. So it's 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: rare that I'll say, wait, I want to have that 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: person on because it's just somebody that I'm interested in 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: speaking to and hearing from. This is sort of like 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: my garage band. I kind of do exactly what I 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: want and I talk to only who I want to 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: talk to. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: That well, other than what a compliment that is, that 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 3: means the most to me because I don't think it's 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: you being full of yourself at all. You are the 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: bipolar opposite of the story I'm telling now, because you 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: succeeded enormously from a platform I honor and respect to 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: hell lot of that. The interesting thing is that what 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: the story I'm telling now, I didn't do that. I 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: did not do that. 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: It's funny because I didn't know you were doing something. 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: I have a friend who mentioned you to Manic Wait. 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: He thought he was pitching you to me, and I'm 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: like no, yeah, what happened to her? Because we're going 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: to explain to the audience what we're talking about, because 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: most of my audience, probably half my audience, has no 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: idea who you are, all right, So let's start from 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: the sort of beginning from my perspectives. So growing up, like, 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: there were certain people that you remember. You remember Suzanne 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: Summers in the fitness sort of health diet space. Diet 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: was a big word back in the day. Half a 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: cantalope tab a cigarette like that, you know, Dexa trim, 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: slim fast bars. That was sort of like my life 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: of coming up from diet Atkins diet. Later it was 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: a South Beach diet. Later later it was the Zone diet, 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: the Scarsdale diet. Hot dog on a Tuesday, all fruit 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: and meat on a Wednesday, like yeah, boo yon. Like, 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: so I remember, because I grew up in an eating 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: disorder household, I was always ripping out the magazine thing 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: that had all the diets, and so in our vernacular, 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: there was a period that was later called stop the insanity. Okay, 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: in the same way that you'll hear that's hot now 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: or hot mess and not know where that comes from. 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: Not remember that that that's hot as Paris Hilton or 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: hot mess came from Christian Siriano or you know certain, 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: or that I invented the skinny margarita, like a lot 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: of people just anecdotally order skinny margarita, thinking it came 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: with like Adam and Eve, you know, with the apple. 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: I invented that. So stop the insanity, which many people 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: may say now came from Susan Powder. 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely okay. 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: So from my purview, there was a woman who was 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: tall and lean and thin and ironically slightly insane, like 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: unhinged and passionate, and she had almost shaved platinum blonde hair, 55 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: and it was like she was just talking about low fat. 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: So I was watching this woman who began the fat 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: free movement, which was as prevalent as the calorie deficit 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: or the low carb or the kytosis movement or any 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: of that or the whatever they call it, like the 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: carnivorre diet. There was a woman and this is her, 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: this is Susan Powder. She was massive. She was piling 62 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: up potatoes, piling up pasta and saying, you can have 63 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: all of this as long as you have no fat. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: And people were going to restaurants ordering spaghetti and tomato 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: sauce as long as it had no oil, no fat, 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: and that was a precursor to the low carb act 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 2: in South Beach lifestyle. 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so enter Susan powder. 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing is that that was one component 70 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: to stop the insanity because what I was saying is 71 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: whole foods versus process I was saying low fat, not 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: processed low fat food. I was saying whole foods. That's 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: what people who read the books, who came to the seminars, 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: it did get massive. But the interesting thing about stop 75 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: the insanity was the fact that I had any chance 76 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: in hell. And that's why I understand and respect a 77 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: lot of what you have done, because I'm sure that 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: you have heard. Oh my god, she said so much energy. 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: She's so aggressive, she saw this, she talks so much, 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: she does this. Yet it was the energy that what 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: I did was stop the insanity. Was I told the 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: story of my ex husband. I flat baloney in the 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: air and said, this is a pig's butt. 84 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: It was disruptive before disruptive was a thing. 85 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: Like I said, stuff that had nothing to do, nothing 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: to do with it. Being a dietician, never I never 87 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: called myself a fitness guru. The press, which you know, 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: is far limited in the nineties compared to even now. 89 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: There was no Internet, so the press said fitness guru. 90 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: I never said that. What I said was from the beginning, 91 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: and I say it now, I'm sixty seven years old. 92 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: I'm just a housewife who figured it out. That's what 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: I said. So the big industries that came in later, Bethany, 94 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: and I don't think many people would understand this more 95 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: than you. Never once believed. I had no chance in hell. 96 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: It was a complete fluke. 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 4: Normal Ray. 98 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 3: It's the movie Norma Ray when Norma Ray, when Sally 99 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: Field steps on the thing and brings the mills to 100 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: a grinding halt. The American women said, I don't care 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: what she's saying, like there's something real. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: They it was the way you're saying. 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: It's disruptive. 104 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: It was disruptive, it was polarizing, it was shocking. But 105 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: by the same token, in the way that like a 106 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: Hule Cogan is disruptive too, like you barely it's not 107 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: about what he's doing or fighting's just who he is. 108 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: You're just like, wait, what. So it was disruptive, but 109 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: by the same token. You did not have the Internet 110 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: to clarify anything. 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: I didn't need to because millions of women came to events, 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: bought books. Seven of them bought platinum videos. 113 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 4: So my message. 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: But I didn't have the direct to consumer like I 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: have now. But unabashed is the word and hull Cogan, 116 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: I mean whatever a woman being unabashed. In nineteen ninety three, 117 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: single mother, ex stripper, unapologetic, beyond belief. I was a 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: stripper in Dallas, Texas, and I started teaching exercise and 119 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: the women gathered and I would talk a million mas 120 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: a minute, a million like I still do now, a 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: million maza minute. Stop the insanity started. It started in 122 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: the grocery aisles of Piggly Wiggly, that was the name 123 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: of the grocery store. I heard everyone in Texas two 124 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: babies in a thing a year apart. You have a daughter, 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: you have a child. I was single mother, two babies 126 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: a year apart. He walked out when I had a 127 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: six week old and a one year old. 128 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: What is like an evangelist and people were just like 129 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: clung to you. 130 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: I just told the truth of my and storytelling was 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: not in the fitness world. 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: When I stepped into fitness. I never. I never got 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 4: a degree. I never. 134 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: I made fun of having to be certified because I 135 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: sent in the money when I finally had it, like 136 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: a thousand dollars to be certified, and I said, you 137 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: never met me, you don't know anything about me. I've 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: got my certificate. It was unabashed. It was insane. But 139 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: it was me talking to women, not directly. 140 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: By the way. 141 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: But that's that's interesting because well, first of all, that 142 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: was when there was a movie called Perfect with Jamie 143 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: Lee Curtis. Fitness was the most fitness has ever been. 144 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: Like. 145 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: It was the it was the the headband, it was 146 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: the neon leggings. 147 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: Did you see the redoing of the skit that she 148 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: just did it on Saturday Night Live a couple of 149 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: months back. 150 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: It's brilliant. 151 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: Now you have to say, no, no, she did it 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: as a And do you know that Jamie Lee is 153 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: the executive producer of the movie. 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. 155 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: Okay, there's so much we have to talk about. No, No, 156 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: that's why you bring her up. 157 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: I would be because that's my generation and I remember 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: all the videos and the Jane fond of this is 159 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: when like fitness started to be like, wait, I could 160 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: be fit at home and do calisthenics and all this 161 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: stuff and diet. 162 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: It was down hundred percent. 163 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: What you're saying. 164 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Effectively, I always say that people did not buy the 165 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: skinny margarita. 166 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: They bought me. 167 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, stop the insanity. 168 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: The infomercial, which was part of what came Simon It's 169 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: us two books, We got all that. They shot that infomercial, 170 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: I said, get women live, audience five camera shoot. 171 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: They didn't believe it was going to be anything. 172 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: Believe me when I tell you the reason it was 173 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: a success was because of conversion rate. People were calling 174 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: up to order the product. They saw the informer and 175 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: they were just like, I want it. Yeah, And they 176 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: hadn't seen that in the industry. Because the infomercial Injucy 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: comes up with you if you order in the next 178 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: five minutes, and you get, and you get and you get. 179 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: The most important thing. I've had brands reach out to 180 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: me and say to me that I've moved so much 181 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: product and other people who have millions of followers haven't 182 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: sold a single And that means that I have a 183 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: high engagement and conversion rate and you have that too, 184 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: And for you. You were in the world of QVC, et cetera. 185 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: And if you're bringing in new customers, if people are 186 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: sitting there for a minute, and maybe by other things, 187 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: those ares metrics people think about. So you were like 188 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: an influencer. Before there really were influencers. 189 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: Well, they didn't even exist. 190 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: And the other thing that compounds this is that people 191 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: don't understand because it was so big, because it went 192 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: into a lot of different industry. I mean, I did 193 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: all the work. Nobody wrote my books, nobody did a thing. 194 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: I did the work. That's great, but it was a 195 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: very short amount of time. It was four and a 196 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: half something years. It went from nothing to stratify. 197 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Everything to nothing. It happens. 198 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I was just reading somebody talking about this girl who's 199 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: a podcaster who literally I saw only every second of 200 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: the day during the pandemic, and it was only she 201 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: probably had six months, but was astronomical And now we 202 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: don't see her anymore because so, you know, it is 203 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: fool's gold. You had a four year moment. Social media 204 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: now is so insanely relentless. You could be the biggest 205 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: thing in the world for three months and be over 206 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: like it's really insane. Because there's so much volume. When 207 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: you were big, there was really no volume. Like I 208 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: can literally name ten people. I could say Suzanne Summer's, 209 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: Richard Simmons. You this is pre Oprah, Jane Fonda. You know, 210 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: Redisphilben was a big deal back then, but not selling 211 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: anything like I could name the people. 212 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: It was not. 213 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: You know, it was a different time, so you were 214 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: a big deal. How much money did you make? 215 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: Okay, I was a dancer in Dallas, Texas. 216 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: I opened it making nothing. You had no money? 217 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: No, I made really good money as a stripper. No, no, 218 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 4: really it was a stripper. 219 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: What we let's slow this down because people have to 220 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: follow as a stripper, you had your babies as a stripper. 221 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: You had your babies after being a stripper? 222 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I had two children a year apart. 223 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: The original book of Stop the Insanity is I was married, 224 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: had two babies a year apart, two ten pound babies, 225 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: woke up a year later, husband gone, and you know 226 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty like shop like a lot of 227 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: millions of women nursing babies, running a thing. 228 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. 229 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: I had to change the way I looked and felt 230 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: because I hated it what I was scared about, and 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: I was genuinely scared about it is. I looked up 232 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: to twenty four months goes by, you know, to fifty, 233 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: and I remember thinking, you know what's next? 234 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: Three? Three? 235 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: Oh? 236 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,239 Speaker 1: I didn't hold on you weigh two hundred and fifty pounds. 237 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: Or sixty pounds before and after picture and stop dance ending. 238 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: I didn't have a babysitter, I didn't have any money. 239 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: So here's the answer to your question. 240 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: And you want to be there for your kids? Which 241 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: is the number? It was never my phone. 242 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: I didn't even think of it. 243 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: Well, no, no, that wasn't my primary thing. I was. 244 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 4: I wanted to get myself back. 245 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he walks out, he's got a you know, 246 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: ten year old girlfriend whatever, girlfriend like you don't even know. 247 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: I told the story in the original book about when 248 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: he finally did show up for visitation. You deal with it, 249 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: I know, divorce. Everybody understands. I was hugely fat. 250 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: My kids. 251 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: Finally, it had been two months since I had had 252 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: a weekend off, and I was crouching down trying to 253 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 3: look at his girlfriend, and I got stuck between the 254 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: chair and the wind. 255 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 4: I got stuck. 256 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: And it's a story this is fat. 257 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: That's what that launched the I mean I it. 258 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: Was anecdotal, atidotal come up. 259 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: With I'm a fitness expert. I never said that. I said, 260 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: this is how I live. It's still how I lived. 261 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, there's a woman who created Stacy's Pita Chips, and 262 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: the business was about the sandwiches. She had a sandwich cart, 263 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: and the only thing that you couldn't ever run out 264 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: of with a sandwich car because you had a bunch 265 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: of ingredients in the freezing cold in Chicago, was the bread. 266 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: So she never had she never ran out of peda. 267 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: She was at extra peda. So what did she do 268 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: with the extra peda not to waste? Was the maid 269 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: of the peda chips. The pita chips was what popped off. 270 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: But that's not what her business was. That's what she 271 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: sold for two hundred and fifty million dollars. So I'm 272 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: saying your what you're saying is what became The thing 273 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: that they wanted was not the main thing you were 274 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: talking about. It was you just saving your life. And 275 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: everybody ended up clinging on to the weight loss one 276 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 277 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: But that was the peta chips that immediately was massive corporations. 278 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: I mean it was literally, can you write a book? 279 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, well I'll write a book whatever. 280 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: I wrote my own. 281 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: What were you making as a stripper a year? 282 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: You know, on a good night eight hundred on a 283 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: de can break on twenty five. I didn't pay it. 284 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: You can make a quarter million dollars a year. 285 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 4: You could well in Dallas, the biggest clubs ever. 286 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, okay, I just want to 287 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: get okay, So what did you personally make in the 288 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: four years on? 289 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: Stop the insanity, just broad strokes? What did you make? 290 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: What did you met? 291 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: Well, they're in lives the story. 292 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what I made because I got we 293 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: got a phone call that said, you know, so and 294 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: so wants to invest in you to do two things, 295 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: to build franchise, studios and a clothing line. I was like, yeah, 296 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: let's do a clothing line and franchise. That's great, get it, 297 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: take full responsibility. But no, it wasn't that deep. And 298 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: then they built another studio, and then all of a 299 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: sudden it blew the hell up. They they did not 300 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: expect it. So when I went into that meeting a 301 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: year and a half in and said, I just want 302 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: to do things. You know, you make your money back. 303 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: That's fine. He put his finger in my face and said, 304 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: I own you for These are the exact words for batim. 305 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: This is in lawsuits. 306 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: So the cautionary tale for the audience, which has happened 307 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: in many cases, and this is why I've been successful, 308 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: is in the beginning, when you're creative and you have 309 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: a good idea or you're succeeding, you're like yeah, yeah, yeah, 310 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: and you'll listen to so many different people. And the 311 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: truth is that's when the things that seem like it 312 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: don't matter because you're playing checkers, but you have to 313 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: play chess at the same time. You have to think 314 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: of the little thing, the little kernel that could become 315 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: something massive, because that's really the key to success. And 316 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: you were so successful and then you ended up being 317 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: an uber eats driver. That's quite a swing because you 318 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: were folks. And this happens, by the way, many chefs, 319 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: successful chefs, very successful famous chefs. They are not focused 320 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: on the business because they're focused on the passion and 321 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: the creativity, and they lose their name, they lose their ip, 322 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: they lose their business. Like you could not even have 323 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: your own name. 324 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: I had the owner of this ex owner of the 325 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: season Battle Corporation bought a racehorse in my name that 326 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: AI didn't know existed and was winning races with it, 327 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: and I didn't know that existed. And absolutely what you're saying, Yes, 328 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: but it's I think there's a dimension to that that 329 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,119 Speaker 3: you have to add. The nineties not as an excuse, 330 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,359 Speaker 3: as an absolute reality. 331 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: No people, no one had a brand, No one was 332 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. 333 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: I couldn't go to Time Warner and say I want 334 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: to see the book. Sorry, it didn't work that way, right, 335 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: you know, I got it. I literally was sitting in 336 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: a business meeting. I mean, this has happened to me 337 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: all the time. I knit a lot, and I get 338 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: bored in business meetings. And I was knitting and there 339 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: was a huge meeting and there was an agent in there, 340 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: and everybody was nervous and I was just knitting. And 341 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: this guy came by and you remember that used to 342 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: wear the Madison Avenue white collars, you know, on the 343 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: white cuffs and the stripe ties. And he walked by 344 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: and said, you don't look like a woman who knits. 345 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: And I said, you look like a fucking barber pole 346 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: with a head on it, and he said, Hi, I'm 347 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: the president of blah blah blah, and we got the job, Bethany, 348 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: we got the job. I am who I am, but 349 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: they produced me out of me. 350 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: No, that is very common too. 351 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: TV came along, Multimedia, net Star comes a lot, you know, 352 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: the infomercial came along. Simon it Ch used to in 353 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: time Wonner. I was up I mean, you may as 354 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: well crucify me. I was up against and that is 355 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: not an excuse, but I did not. 356 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: Know that makes sense. And the nineties people were smoking 357 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: cigarettes and drinking alcohol while having babies, like anything really 358 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: went and that could work. And that's why it's so 359 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: ironic that back then there were so many archaic rules 360 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: because in some other ways people were so fast and loose. 361 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: It's like there's a combination of people being more pearl 362 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: clutching but then also being completely rogue. So it was 363 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: an interesting time. It makes perfect sense what you're saying. 364 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense. Not until shows like Shark Tank 365 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: did anyone talk forget women, But did anyone talk. 366 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: About brands ip lawyer? 367 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: You just sort of you know, this is why Roger 368 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: Ayles was fondling people that worked at Fox like it 369 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: was a digretch and Carls this is it will go 370 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: a bit beyond fondling. Yeah, exactly. No, it was a 371 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: different time. That's why the cast and couch. It was 372 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: a different time, you know, and you just accepted it. 373 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: And also it is we didn't have any way. I mean, 374 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: I wrote it in my book that I just wrote 375 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 3: I went before e commerce was e commerce. I said, 376 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: I want to do products that are authentic. I mean 377 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 3: I loved my audience always everywhere I went all over 378 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: the world, but I couldn't get directly to any of them, 379 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 3: to any of them. 380 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: This has shanged now. 381 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: There was no direct to consumer and you could be 382 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: yourself right now and you could connect and if there 383 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: was somebody that did something wrong, you could have a 384 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: platform for it, you could talk about. It's a different 385 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: world and this the world of streaming. 386 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: It makes so much sense that you are. 387 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: In a new I think it's a new documentary like 388 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: this with Jamie Lee Curtis. This makes perfect sense, Like 389 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: it's so circular, and it really also shows people that 390 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: like you just never know. 391 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Ironically, the Fat Lady hasn't some pardon the pun, yeah, exactly. 392 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: You never know when something's going to come around and 393 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to have a voice. And I 394 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: think it's really amazing. And so you're you an Uber 395 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: eats driver. Now, is that how you're supporting yourself? Drove yesterday, 396 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: drove yesterday. Yep, proudly. 397 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: I love Uber It's I've done deals with Uber. 398 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: I love it. 399 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you have to be old enough to appreciate 400 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: greatly gigwork because it's sixty seven. 401 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: I'm the best waitress on earth. 402 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: Some of their best drivers are people my age who 403 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: take care of the food, who respect having the privacy 404 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: of the job. I've died a million deaths behind the 405 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: wheel of that car. I've been shamed to the point 406 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: where I can't even tell you I've been so grateful 407 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: I've been I could literally do. I want to do 408 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: their corporate training videos to help people my age use 409 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: their equipment and understand how to do it and not 410 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: be frightened of it. 411 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: They're missing a big market. No, And you're also saying 412 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: that like it's not the same thing. But years ago 413 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: you were able to dance to support your kids, and 414 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: now you're saying that Uber eats has like, given you 415 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: the freedom to do this, and you're producing shit and 416 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: write a. 417 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: Book, Well, do you want to hear the moments where 418 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: it's very difficult, something that down which I don't get 419 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: knocked down, believe me. I was delivering one day and 420 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: it was, you know, I pull into this gated neighborhood 421 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm like, I used to own a 422 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: house like that. You know, sometimes it's just visually shocking 423 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: a lot of times. And I walk up to the 424 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: front door and I rang the doorbell and Louie Anderson 425 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: answered the door. And Louis knew me back in the day, 426 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: and he knew who it was delivering his food. 427 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: And he has said it's the craziest story. No, no, But. 428 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 3: Here's what's crazy. Is I hand over his life's battle. 429 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 3: And he would say this, I'm not speaking okay. His 430 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: life's battle was fast food and a lot of it food. 431 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: Food was his life's battle. Sorry, And so he opened 432 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: the door and looked. He knew, Oh my god, I'm 433 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: a position, that's what That's what I'm saying. But he 434 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: what was what used to be your life's battle? Well, 435 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: not even that I might I didn't have a life anymore. 436 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: Beth and like, I'm his delivery driver, and he knew me, 437 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: and I knew him, and I was as respectful in 438 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: handing him, and we looked at each other. But I 439 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: turned around from that three days in tears, three days 440 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: of just like Susan, what like what I mean? So 441 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: it's not just oh, I'm proud I work no matter what. 442 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: This has been a very painful ten years. 443 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: Wow, I believe it. Wow. Thank you for saying that. 444 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: There have been many moments where people say I worked 445 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: on the strip. The most hated people on the strip 446 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: are timeshare people. 447 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Timeshare people? 448 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: You know, they hand you stuff, they stop you, they 449 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: try and get you to go on those horrifying tours 450 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: the whole afternoon and you're stuck up in the middle 451 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: of whatever. I worked the strip and only two people 452 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: knew who I used to be. This is a couple 453 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: of years ago. And the Elvis who's there every day 454 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: if you're on the ship, always has a huge beer 455 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: like it's seven in the morning. And it was Elvis 456 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: who recognized me. Now, what should be funny and what 457 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: should try to be was stragic to me. Character was 458 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: drunk as hell. He was drunk as hell, and he said, 459 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: you remind me of that crazy woman. 460 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: You remind me of that? 461 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: Are you that fucking woman? Are you that glipper? 462 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: And I ran through planet Hollywood and I didn't go 463 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: back to work for days, a couple of days, and 464 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: then I would sit alone and think that ship that's 465 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: ironically kind of hysterical, but it wasn't. 466 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: Come on, you're a human being, well as Vegas. 467 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a mother, and you're used to be fancy schmancy, 468 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: and you got all your money and your competent whatever. 469 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: And then eight years later you look up and Elvis 470 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: is screaming at you. You still got kids, You're still 471 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: a mother. It changes that dynamic too, changes every dynamic. 472 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: First of all, can I just say something like. 473 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 4: You could say anything, this is yours. 474 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: But no, no, you're a guest in my home. Constructive 475 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: criticism when you slow down and tell these stories like 476 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: I feel it, I get it. I can't like I 477 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: really get it because I'm gonna tell you a story. 478 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: And the Louis Anderson thing tracks too, like you're just 479 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: like this is that moment and it's just the two 480 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: of you, so it's not like everyone's seeing it, but 481 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: you are and you're feeling and so is he because 482 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: he had a has been feeling too in his lession. Yeah, 483 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: I mean I'm feeling it for like Joan Rivers, who 484 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: in her documentary said that she felt like her identity 485 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: was about filling up that calendar. Like everybody who was 486 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: somebody Elizabeth Taylor, everybody feels degraded at some point, Like 487 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: that's that's what the show Hacks is about. Yeah, you know, 488 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: like she's washed up, but she's trying to like get 489 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: it back. Like I believe that I will be Jean 490 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: Smart in Hacks, Like I think that's who I am, 491 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: Like someone who used to be major, has all these 492 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: major possessions and is like gonna still go bargain at 493 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: the antique place and my assistant going in to try 494 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: to get a deal while I'm driving up with the 495 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 2: Rolls Royce. So we all get it as you get older, 496 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: like you're just like wait, WHOA Like every everybody you know, 497 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: no one gets out without paying the bill. And that's 498 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: why I think it's so remarkable. And I really hope 499 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: this documentary, like really thank you gets this because it's 500 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: so granular. And I had a moment let me just 501 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: tell you my story that that reminded me of. It's 502 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 2: not exact, and I wasn't like rock Bottom by any stretch. 503 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: I am on I have no idea why the tables 504 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: keep going hot, and the minute they're called, I'll walk out. 505 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: Not to intentionally use a Vegas reference, but now I 506 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: feel lucky and smart, Like I feel like I'm lucky 507 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: and smart because of what's happened to you can happen 508 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: to anybody, and so I feel grateful for all the 509 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: obsessing over the details and for being a little bit tough, 510 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: like people would be like, she's so aggressive, and she's 511 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: so tough. And someone commented in a post of mine 512 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: there was a post about me and it was a 513 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: flashback of the way someone treated me on a show, 514 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: and the people commenting someone said, now I know why 515 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: she can be so aggressive because people have tried to 516 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: demean her so long. After you're a woman, people have 517 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: tried to demean so long and diminish what you've done. 518 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: You're gonna be a little agro, which I am. But 519 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: I was asked to open the stock exchange and ring 520 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: the bell and I said yes, and my team said yes. 521 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: As something you say yes to you. 522 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Just say yes. 523 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: It sounds iconic, it sounds big and like we should 524 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: be doing it, like the cover of a magazine. But 525 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: I didn't really understand what it was because I have 526 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 2: so many things going on and sometimes something comes that 527 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: you know is good and yes, the box is checked 528 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: and you're going to do it, but you don't really 529 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: understand on a granular level what it means. 530 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: So I agree to it. 531 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: I get dressed up, I go down there to Times 532 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: Square to do this thing, and I remember like having 533 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: a weird thing. Should my daughter come? But then she 534 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: had practice after and she was like, mom, I have practice. 535 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: She doesn't understand the magnitude of it because I don't 536 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: understand it, and I haven't said you need to come. 537 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: This is important. This is like me coming to your recital. 538 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: And I'm like that nobody needs to come. I didn't 539 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: invite one person. I show up there with a publicist 540 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: and a publicist assistant, and as I get there, it's 541 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: so big and there making such a big deal about it, 542 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: and the studio is so big and we're in Time 543 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: Square and I'm just like wait, and it like seems 544 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: kind of grandiose and massive and I was so like, 545 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 2: just it was part of my calendar. And as I 546 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: get there, of course it's on a time thing. It's 547 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: when the market closes. I didn't have time to get 548 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: my daughter there. I feel so I'm gonna cry. I 549 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: feel so alone. I feel like such a loser that 550 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: has done so much in my life and is so successful, 551 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: and the world's about to see this. This is a global platform, 552 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: and I didn't even stop down to like think about it, 553 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: to take the time to ask anybody to be there. 554 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm at my funeral by myself, 555 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: Like I feel like no one came to my feeld. 556 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I am so alone. 557 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm hysterically crying. I cry on the internet after I 558 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: was just like wait and it was going too fast, 559 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: and I did it alone, Like I feel, I feel 560 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: like a loser now talking about it. 561 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 4: It was so I understand. I understand, so anyway, I understand. 562 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. 563 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: I understand too, is what I'm saying. 564 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: I understand what that moment on someone's stoopid that should 565 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: mean nothing, who cares? That was like your whole life 566 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: and on that Vegas strip of that guy, I really understand. 567 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: And because you're a mother. I'm a mother. I don't care. 568 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: I got a forty two year old and forty one 569 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: year old in a twenty seven year old. I don't 570 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: care how old they are. There's still my children. Then 571 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 3: you're gonna add you have to add the ripple of 572 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I like totally failed my family, like 573 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 3: I like, I like I totally failed. 574 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: You feel like a loser in front of them too, 575 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: even though they don't know what's going on, like you 576 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 2: still feel like a loser of failure. Part breakingly so, 577 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: the whole thing is degrading, demoralizing, and it can happen 578 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: to anyone at any economic level. 579 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 3: Things do not always work out. And you know, I mean, 580 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: you know cliche. It's beyond cliche. How you manage it? 581 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: If they really go sideways, it has nothing to do. 582 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: It's not formulaic. I'm not telling you how to be 583 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: wealthy in the face of poverty. I wouldn't do that. 584 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 3: I'm not insulting. For God's sake. 585 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: What I'm telling you. 586 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: Is I would have absolutely been dead if I didn't 587 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: have the physiological strength that I've spent years building. I 588 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: was when I was walking upstairs delivering uber eats in 589 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: the middle of the winter. Let's not pretend it's like hell, raining, 590 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: rainy days, trying to find an apartment, just being shocked 591 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: at what's happening. I'm all, I literally say, Susan, you 592 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: got strong legs, let's go. I saw it as exercise 593 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: and movement I encourage. But you know, that's all great 594 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 3: because I have that ethic. I have a strong work ethic. 595 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: And there's no load to this high. I maintained pride 596 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: in myself even on the days where sobbing, sobbing, sobbing, 597 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: many of them, many, many, many of them. I maintained like, 598 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 3: it's okay, Susan, It's just get up. And it's very 599 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: interesting to me that you mentioned Joan, because a I 600 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: knew her back in the day. 601 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 4: I refer to her all the time in the book. 602 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: Because when I had an opportunity, which is again is 603 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: right here, you know, here's the story again, right here, 604 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: out of nowhere, I got a call a year and 605 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: a half ago. I wasn't thinking about anything. I didn't 606 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: even even writing the book. I was just writing down 607 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: the chronology because I didn't think i'd make it. 608 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: You just wanted to get it out. 609 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 4: I wanted my story told. 610 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but out of nowhere, I got a text from 611 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: someone Susan Powder, question mark. Nobody knows I have three 612 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: children and one friend. I don't nobody. Nobody calls me nobody. 613 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: Are you surprised that I knew exactly who you were? 614 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: I was like, wanted to have you on here? 615 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: I was. 616 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised that you knew who I was, because 617 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: I know that you knew that time. I was fascinated 618 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: as to why, because I know you're smart, and I 619 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: was like, and you know, I know you haven't read 620 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: the book, you haven't seen the movie Eve and whatever, 621 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: so that's why you know you're coming from where most 622 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 3: people are, which is, what the hell are you talking about? 623 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: I was fascinated because I'm appreciate talking about real things 624 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: and having the chance to just even if it's encapsulated. 625 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: Explain it. 626 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Got it. 627 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: And also, come on, you know you have a voice 628 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: and you've never you know, you're you're not a sackape. 629 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: I mean, Bethley Franklin wants you on. I'm like thrilled, 630 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: thank you well. I was grateful too, very great, Like 631 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm really glad because I know 632 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: it'll be a good conversation. So anyway, I get a 633 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: text out of nowhere that said Susan Powder question mark, 634 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: which was and I thought it was someone I just 635 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: delivered to who figured out that it was me, and 636 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: I was like who? And I called my friend Marianne 637 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: who's in the movie on the book, called my friend 638 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 3: mari Anne and I said, what who is this? And 639 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: she called like, you know, hey, you know you're trying 640 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: to get in touch with Susan Powder. And it was 641 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: a very talented filmmaker who said, Hi, my name is 642 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: and he said, I'm interested in meeting with you about 643 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: a documentary. I said, no, Like, I mean, what would 644 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: Joan Rivers do? That's what I said out loud, What 645 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: would Joan do? And what I said is Joan would 646 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: show up if there was work, even in the back 647 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: rooms of Las Vegas, which she played for years when 648 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: Johnny Carson tried to destroy her career, she would show up. 649 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: And she kept showing up until she paid for that 650 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: damn wedding of Melissa's at the Plaza Hotel. 651 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: Wow. 652 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: The biggest joke in our family is what Mom always says, 653 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: is you know ww they think it's what would Jesus do? 654 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 4: It's what would Joan do? 655 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: I say it, I say it on a daily I 656 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: can go get the picture right now. Yeah, there's no coincidence. 657 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: It's not coincidence. It's not coincidental at all. But when 658 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: that happened, I was just shooting a Vice interview. So 659 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: I watched my first infomercial and I'd never watched it, 660 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: and I thought I'd be ashamed. 661 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 4: I thought i'd be ashamed. I was so proud of 662 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: what I did on that stage. 663 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: It was the only the last authentic thing they let 664 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: me do was that first infomercial because nobody gave a 665 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: crap because they didn't believe it because I hadn't generated 666 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: a penny yet. It's not just if your talent. It's 667 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 3: not just if you have a good thing. It's not 668 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 3: just if you know your market. It's not just if 669 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: you know your brand. It isn't because you make two 670 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: hundred million dollars for someone and it's like. 671 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: No, I just don't need to tell her. No, we'll 672 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: talk to Susan about that later. No, No, you know what, well, 673 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: I heard those things. 674 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's how But that's how Bravo was with 675 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: the ratings. They didn't want anyone to know how well 676 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: the ratings were doing, because then they would have to 677 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: pay people more. And I was the one who would 678 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: badger them and say, I don't understand why if we're. 679 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: Breaking Susanne did that on Three's Companies. 680 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I was just saying, you need to send us 681 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: the ratings, and I made them send them every week. 682 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Every cast member will claim. 683 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: And what I'm saying is the fact that women are 684 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: still saying that is beyond bloody ridiculous. But even now 685 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: you can do that because look at the power you 686 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: can have. 687 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: No, I love this, I love this. 688 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: I love this for them, for you, but like to 689 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: make it, to elevate it and to make it even 690 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: more meaningful because it's great that you're speaking to them 691 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: about with pride. You're amazing. I can't wait for this documentary. 692 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: Good for you for everything the pride. It's amazing. 693 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: So yay. 694 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what happens next. And I 695 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: can't wait to tell my friend I'm glad we had 696 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: you on. 697 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much.